.22 Magnum Fire Breathers! Walther WMP vs Kel-Tec PMR-30
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2022
- When it comes to semi-auto pistols chambered in 22 magnum, there are only two commonly found. In this review, we compare the new Walther WMP and the older Kel-Tec PMR-30. Each are chambered in 22 WMR (22 mag), and both have options for mounting red dot sights: Walther is ready out of the box, the Keltec you need to buy a part. For roughly the same expenditure, which would YOU choose?
Walther WMP: • Walther 22 Magnum Pist...
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I have my PMR 30 running smooth with no issues and now I want that Walter WMP.
Save your money, and buy ammo for the PMR 30!
From day one, my PMR 30 has ran with no issues (have about 1,300 to 1,400 through it). One hiccup, my mistake loading the magazine (rim-lock). I have no problem running 30 gr to 50 gr bullets.
@@beefnasty8993 do you think that the issues that you have encountered could be avoided by taking it apart and applying Loctite now that you know it's weak points?
Me too. I would like to see Keltec offer a single stack magazine. I read that many owners never run with a full 30 rounds, myself included.
@@deere3321 I invested in a American Speedloader Kel Tec CMR PMR Nest Magazine Loader
lets also not forget that 30 rounds is a little better than 15 rounds and its half the weight.
I now have the Walther WMP and It is one great shooting pistol. I love everything about the WMP.
I really liked your review of both guns. You were honest and clear on the comparison. I just bought a Walther WMP! Thanks for the video.
Thank you.
I wish the Kel Tec came in 17 HMR. That would be a great addition.
Great video! I think this is the first comparison between these two.
one advantage of the Kel Tec you didn't mention, is that you can get a carbine that uses the same magazine. In your video you were also shooting noticeably fast with the Kel Tec. Probably because of better sights making for quicker target acquisition.
I agree with you on the shooting faster with the KeTecs sights, I own one and can vouch that may be the case but that's only true so long as the all polymer crap magazine doesn't jam a round as it's feeding and frankly it's a dovetail swap that's easily done if need be, plenty of aftermarket sights out there. The PMR's true achilles heel are the bs all polymer magazines with no steel reinforcements or a mechanism to properly guide the rounds through consistently, trust me I've owned one for years and have upgraded it with MCarbo everything and still those mags are the weak link. In part I agree with your argument but another part finds it irrelevant, shooting fast is nowhere near as important as reliability, not for range practicing nor least of all for self defense at those average close distances, also it's .30cents + per round. I tend to believe new or seasoned shooters focus more on the fundamentals (stance, proper grip, sight picture, squeezing the trigger & follow through, loading/unloading & immediate actions) rather than dumping lead downrange, yes it's fun and it has it's uses but only for so long. Most everyone can handle the lack of recoil in this chambering so shooting fast is doable again so long as everything else works. Lastly I wouldn't trust those trash mags even from a carbine platform, crap is crap now matter how it's dressed.
Subscribed! Love this guy's approach and style.
You do a great job on your reviews and I enjoy your work. I bought a Walthers WMP and I really like it.
I have had three PMR 30s and 2 RIA 22 Mag 1911s I had issues with all of them. I got a Walther with my Christmas bonus I find that it likes more ammo and so far no issues at all. I am giving up 15 rounds per mag however in the standard defensive shooting 3 to 4 rounds a etage I don't feel put gunned at all. As a person with hand issues three surgeries in two years the Walther is a blessing.
TY!! Been "thinkn bout" this very decision. Bot P17, had BAD exp w/delivery. Walked N2 another shop/THERE LAY THE ONE I WANTED!! BOT IT!! Wife wanted first one. We both HAPPY!! She & I have been discussing Kel vs Wal .22M. You provided gud N4. TY!
Great review! I think we all knew which one you'd pick. 👍
Good comparison. I just bought the Kel Tec, for $430 including tax. So yes they are discounted, as you mentioned. I blueprinted the internals before firing a shot. Had two cycling issues out of 20 rounds from an old box of Winchester Dynapoint 40gr, and two also with 80 rounds of 40gr CCI Win Mag. (One was the 4th round shot.) After that, nothing for the next 100 rounds, which is alI I have through it so far. Great fun!
Never had any issues with my pmr30, I own a cmr30 as well, both group better than in this video. 30 rds - 15 rds? Hands down PMR30. Just my experience.
If you’ve got’em both, I highly recommend the MCARBO upgrades! I threw an FJ Fedderson threaded barrel on my PMRs as well… Dang laser beam looking guns shoot like laser beams now @ 100 yards 🤠
I've had a PMR for about 3 years now. About a year after I bought it, I had a nasty run in with a bad batch of ammo, and cratered both my PMR and a CMR on the same trip to the range. Kel-Tec fixed them both within about 4 weeks and returned them. I've run hundreds of rounds through both since then with ZERO malfunctions.
I am so confident in my PMR that it is in my EDC mix to carry. It is BIG, but it is also very light weight and having 90+1 available in 3 mags with a round with similar stopping power to a .380 is good to me.
Walther was interesting to me right up until it weighed in at double with half the round count.
PMR and CMR got a bad rap due to their mag loading - but the mag loaders out there now make it so it's not much of an issue (again, see above, several hundred rounds fired with ZERO malfunctions - that means no magazine rim lock issues...)
Not going to go as far as calling you a liar sir but I will say I'm hesitant to believe anyone who claims ZERO malfunction issues on a PMR30, i own one, have for years, upgraded with MCarbo everything, i have their orange speedloader and the black one from KelTec themselves shoot even a nicer one from Maglula with loading/unloading ability, my mags still jam and cause 99% of the issues with this weapons system for me. Maybe you just got a really good one that's the exception not the rule who knows but my experience has been anything but.
@@qbanlink25 No offense taken, these things are definitely a YMMV... I'll take my luck (and probably just jinxed it, but whatever). The McCarbo loader and the KelTec loader both are not so great. The Maglula is better, but still not perfect. My preference is the American Speedloader "stapler" type loader. The biggest thing with any rimmed ammo, and with these in particular is attention to detail! You MUST pay attention when loading it, and if it doesn't seem quite right, pull a couple of rounds out of the mag and reset. I figured my huge failure early on has now blessed me with an over 500 rounds in each the PMR and CMR since getting them back with no issues at all. Nevertheless, I'll take it.
Just like I had a Glock that was a complete joke of a firearm - I couldn't get rid of it fast enough - it never did break in nice, and I continually had issues with it... sometimes it's just the firearm. I know the PMRs (especially earlier ones) had a lot of issues, and KelTec has slowly refined them.
Cheers!
I absolutely Love those paddles and the take down cleaning is so much easier.
WAS recently at the range with my new PMR 30. The only thing that was done prior to shooting was thoroughly cleaning the gun and lubing it. I shot 600 rounds using 4 magazines & various ammo types of different manufacturers. I loaded four magazines with the ludex speedloader and did not condition the ammo during the loading process as per kel-tecs recommendation. The only pause in shooting came from either loading another mag or stopping to reload all the mags which took a bit of time. I had a total of five failures: 4 failed to eject and a single failed to feed for a whopping 0.0083 percent failure rate. YES I'M VERY SATISFIED WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS 22 MAG SEMI AUTO.
For what it's worth I'm thinking those failure to ejects may be related to low slide spring tension, I've seen other videos where folks also point out the slide feels soft to rack, aside from this it seems like a very well built .22mag semi auto.
Might want to check that math...
I picked up the WMP a few weeks back and it's a laser. Love it. But I took my mother in law shooting for the first time the other day and she didn't like it because it was too big. It fits me just fine since I'm 6'1" but it is a huge gun. The biggest polymer semiautomatic I currently own.
Yeah it's got to be a fairly large gun, 22 magnum really needs barrel length too be effective.
@@mattgeiger9988 Even though it's long they could make the gun thinner because the base/rim diameter for .22 WMR isn't large.
Great video. Thank you
I got rid of my PMR 30 because I was unhappy with accuracy and tendency to jam as described in this video. I’m definitely getting a Walther.
Nice, review, thank you.
I recently picked up the WMP, only have 100 rounds through it, I like it. I did put a red dot on mine.
Thanks for the comparison. I had though about the Kel Tek, glad I went with the Walther and your video confirms that for me.
The only thing with the Walther, for me, is the reset. There’s no defined reset, no audible or tactile feel to it, at least in my sample size of one. So that takes some getting used to. A few times I thought I had a malfunction but it was me not knowing the reset yet. But overall I like it.
Pretty sure you made the right choice sir, enjoy.
I have the Walther and love it. Five hundred rounds thru it thus far and no problems at all.
Thank you for your comment. My husband and I are looking to purchase the Walther.
@@lizzapaolia959 Walther makes quality stuff, so does Smith&Wesson. My personal position is that the single stack Walther mag causes less chance of a malfunction when compared to a double stack. Also easy to load Mag with the pull down capability. I don't think 15 rounds compared to 30 is that big a deal.I don't like Kel-tec. Disassembly of the KelTec is difficult, Walther is a breeze.
For the PMR30 use CCI 22 WMR Maxi-Mag Target 40 grain or CCI 22 WMR Gamepoint 40 grain. Keep the gun clean and well lubricated. Load the magazine carefully. I usually only put in 20 or 25 rounds. A M-Carbo all in one bundle is recommended. Do this and you have a really fun light pistol with a lot more rounds.
Yup! Took about 3 or 4 magazines before I figured out how to properly and 100% reliably load my PMR30 mags, and since then, zero issues. SO light and easy to shoot. It's my backpack gun 50% of the time.
@@innercityprepper maybe my mags are just trash but I've been loading them for years properly and they still give me issues and failures to feed and I too never load more than 25 rounds on em to lessen spring tension and odds of jamming.
My personal favorite for these is Hornady Critical Defense 45gr but I shoot a lot of CCI MaxiMag 40 grain as well.
@@qbanlink25 Something to perhaps try - I did this with each of my magazines when I got them.... find a tool, preferably wooden, that will fit into the feed lips, and work the follower top to bottom, hundreds of times. I used a wooden-handled silicone spatula.
This should clear up any friction issues and work the spring in a little. Maybe your issue is related to that instead of correct loading protocol?
You an even use 30 grain in the WMP. With an optic. Mine also has the tlr-3 and is my “out jeeping” weapon and hiking and of course one of many home defense that I can get too. I use the new Federal Punch self defense rounds. They pretty tough. My pmr 30 exploded and the plastic slide cover put 4 stitches in my eye lid (painful as hell) I ordered a new one slide cover from keltec and put it on. Went to the range and went to cycle a round and the barrel was mushroomed and would accept a round. Called Keltech and because they had a record of buying a part from them, it voided my warranty. So ended up buying an aftermarket threaded barrel. Put my Aiken ER in that’s rated from 17 to 556 and it wouldn’t cycle at all. Read up on it and it was causing gas cycling issues. Why make a threaded barrel if you can’t run a silencer?? It would barely cycle without the silencer with 40 grain cci. 45grain critical defense would have a cycle issue about every 10 rounds or three times a mag. I eventually sold and the dude told me he sent it back to keltec and they rebuilt it for him. Keltec does have a good warranty. But don’t do anything your self! And if you add an optic to the Keltec, you actually add a picatinny rail to the slide cover and then the optic. It looks like it sits 5” up higher on the gun. And with an optic. It never cycles three times in a row.
The WMP has a shake awake cross field optic and I have never had a failure. With any round I put in it. I watched a video on here where a dude bought every 22mag brand of rounds and fired 15k rounds through it and had one fail to cycle in his very last shot. And it was a Winchester super X with the poly tip made specifically for single shot rifles. So that sold me on the WMP.
Thanks for the reviews! I have a Savage 93 in 22 WMR and having a pistol in the same caliber would help get my wife into shooting since the recoil is minimal.
I got my wife an S&W Shield EZ in 30 Super Carry, because she’s a Cancer survivor and 6 years older than I. She’s incapable of racking the slide on her beloved 1911 Combat Commander .45 so …. But I’m looking at my own aging process and could see a time in my own future where the 10mm I currently EDC won’t be acceptable. I’d be happy with 15+1 rounds of .22WMR. Not for Bear while I’m Trout fishing, but for two legged varmints? Absolutely.
@@ExSoldier762 🙏🙏🙏 for the wife and good point about different pistols working for different folks when some are too difficult to manage.
I have the Savage Model 93 in .22 Mag with a Vortex 1-4 Crossfire II scope on it along with this Walther WMP. Great pair to take out in the field with ya.
@@18dmedic Thanks for the optic recommendation!
On the Kel-Tec PMR disassembly you made it sound ridiculously complicated which isn’t true! Make sure the internal hammer is cocked, remove a single pin, push slide off effortlessly & that’s it. No worrying about any weird parts like you mentioned or anything flying off. One of the easiest disassemblies across the board, very straightforward after the slide is off as well & minimal concerns when deep cleaning! Slide slips right back on & never suffers from multiple attempts like you demonstrated with the Walther(I love Walthers by the way)🙄🤣
I'm glad a manufacturer came out with a 22Mag pistol to rival the KelTec. And its every bit as reliable (or more so) than the KelTec. Good job Walther.
I have one and I have done a lot of work on shooting different ammo. What I did was use a chain saw file (sharpener) and I filed off some off the top of my magazine. And I highly recommend using the ammo feeder. It weighs 1 lb 3 Oz with an empty magazine. There also are some improvement parts, there is a kit out there. I haven't done that yet but recommend you get it. Especially if you are using as a carry on gun. I am able to shoot super fast without failure. My neighbor called the police because he thought I was shooting an automatic weapon. And just so you know it is very loud. Love mi e. And make sure you get the second series, much better. I have both
Love that 22mag fireball.
I've had nothing but problems with Kel Tec!
My PMR has been flawless with any ammo I’ve shot that has a 40 grain bullet weight or higher.
I have the walther and the rock island...both are great and accurate
My pmr 30 require upgrades under warranty. Older model. Works best if you only load 25. Your vid accurately describes issue. I’m thinking hard of selling the pmr and going with the Walther.
Hammer Striker was very PC about the issues of the PMR, blaming it the ammo. Had 1 for 5 years. Most fun gun to shoot I ever had. But I had more issues with it than all my other firearms combined in more than 50 years of shooting. Failure to feed, broken firing pins, front sights flying off, replacement mags, and two very, very dangerous misfires. Had to send back to the factory after each misfire and sold the gun after the second factory "fix". Again, so much fun to shoot, but what a piece of crap.
I am a big fan of .22 Mag Autos and I have all 3 of the AMT Auto-Mag II's in 2, 4 and 6 inch barrel lengths. I also own an early PMR30 with a 3 digit serial number. While I initially had an issue with my PMR30 and Winchester DynaPoint ammo, probably caused by a bad batch, I have since put over 2000 rounds from various manufacturers through it without a single problem. It could be I got lucky with My PMR30 or it could be because I prefer to load my magazines short at 25 rounds since that evenly splits a box of 50 between 2 magazines. My rule of thumb has always been to load mags short with a single stack 1 round short and double stacks 2 rounds short. I even do this with AR and AK mags. I also own the CMR30 and have fired about 1000 rounds through it without a problem.
Me too man I'm a big fan or 22 wmr. I have the kel tec and love it. Just bought a Rossi Rio bravo 22 wmr lever action. 22 wmr is no slouch it a round. I would trust it with my life
With 30 rounds I don’t think you need to another clip
The only issue with the PMR-30 and it's feeding issue is the magazine catch being a little loose letting the magazine not reach to the top of it's installed height as it should.
Mine eats everything I feed it.
I'm hoping the Kel-Tec PMR-30 I just bought performs well. I was stuck between the two listed in this video but went with the cheaper option because it allowed me to afford a sight/mounting plate for the pistol.
Walther hands down love mine never had a problem ...and yes I have a kel tec ....only because I can't get rid of it
Everyone who comes across the pmr30 comments on: it’s light weight, it’s loudness and the belch of flame out of the muzzle. Later they find out how fast the projectile goes, how much hitting power it has and how much fun it is to have the 30 round mags. So much so that so far all the rough country people I know who have tried mine have bought them as a belt pistol for hiking, hunting etc. I just wish some one would make a longer, thicker, ribbed, threaded (for a brake not a suppressor) and Stainless Steel barrel.
If you gave me the keltec, I'd sell it and buy the walther.
I'd have to go with the pmr 30 bc of the capacity and I been wanting and looking for one for so long
lmao.. good luck I have the r 30 and cmr 30 both are jamomatics regardless what ammo what speed loader which mcarbo parts u install lol... out of my large pistol armory the pmr is easily my worst handgun .. I love the idea and the ergos .. but the engineering carried out for it regarding QC suxxxxxxx... ditched the cmr 30... bought the Walther wmp... and only reason I keep the pmr is because it's so bad n how many times it's been to the factory lol....I'm used to shooting 357 mag 10mm auto 45 acp 44 mag 50 ae out of semis ... nvr imagined a 22mag semi would ever have THIS many issues...buyer beware bud ...if keltec ever redesigns the pmr 30 and incorporates Walthers build improvements ( mag release /lock in issues, easy mag loadings , metal feed ramp part of the barrel as is the shock buffer .... keltec will rule the 22mag world of pistols ... until then you're far better off with Walther wmp .. Glock reliability easily makes up for the minus 15rds it loses to the pmr .. and truth be told.. most load their keltec to 22-25 RDS to get it to somewhat function reliably ... Walther I loaded with 30,33,40,45,50 in same mag tryin to get it to hiccup.. cci fioochi rem hornady speer federal ... 1200 RDS now not a 1 issue in 5 weeks I've owned it ... keltec in 3 years 2100rds and a PLETHORA of issues ... I have 4 other keltecs I love .. but they bombed on the pmr 30 n the one cmr 30 horribly by not making it right for their customers n rectifying all the warranty work needs.. look up fb groups .. we have pages of issues ppl still tr uh in to figure it out from glue to filing .. to polishing .. to custom mags.. the issues still exist .
@@justinloughner9777 Agree I've even sent mine back to kel tec and I have still never gotten though a full magazine.
I’ve had one for 3 years, never cleaned or lubricanted it, always used 40 gr bullets, never had problems with the loading, always careful, never had it hiccup in any way, reliable, accurate, in my go bag w extra mags!👍🤠
I am starting to see complaints on the Walther's reliability on TH-cam. The other rimfire pistol I am looking at is the Sig Sauer P322, and I've seen the barrel leading issues on TH-cam.
I just got a new keltec last week for $360 in OD green, it looks like it came from Toys R US... But after shooting 6 mags with no failure and is now one of my favs to shoot. The walther looks like a hipoint to me and a lot more money. I love the pmr30 as much as my sub2k.
I know Walther doesn’t really make anything like the CMR 30,but it would be awesome if they made a 22mag carbine based on the WMP mags.I’ll buy 2 if you’re listing Walther!!!
I don’t understand why a .22 mag pistol has to be so large. One about 2/3rds this size would be great.
Does the KelTec Magazine fit the CMR-30? That would be a plus for me if so because I love gun combos and the ability to use the same magazine for both like the Sub-2000 using Glock mags.
The pmr30 and the cmr30 take the same magazine
I have both the PMR and CMR and can confirm that the magazines are interchangeable.
Still waiting for a competitor to the cmr-30 I’m addicted to 22wmr but there’s so few options for carbines
CZ 512 Tactical is a fine 22 WMR carbine. Unfortunately has been discontinued. If you see a used one for sale, buy it !!
With my PMR 30 I can carry 90 rounds and be at the same weight as the WMP.
I'm sure the Walther is a fine gun but I cannot help but read it as the "Wimp" every time I see it lol
27.8oz for the wmp? That's almost as much as a loaded Glock 17. The whole reason you'd go with a .22wmr semiauto handgun is for the extremely high capacity and the extremely low weight. The WMP doesn't give you either. Walther missed the point of why you would develop a gun like this in the first place.
Completely Disagree; I'll take the well built aluminum heavy one that consistently shoots the 16 rounds without a jam over the plastic one that holds 30 that people only load to 25 cuz otherwise it realllllly jams. These full size guns are mainly for target practice and showing new shooters the principles of firearm handling with little recoil, not exactly your concealed carry first choice here but even then to a reasonable extent reliability trumps capacity anyday and something tells me in the heat of the moment you won't exactly notice the extra 12oz in your hand but you sure as hell would notice squeezing that trigger and "not" hearing a bang, then you're sol. Sure ammo wise more is more and yes more is better but it's of no use if it won't cycle properly and I've yet to seen or hear of a case from a survivor of 16 wmr shots, truth be told in the untrained hand most of those shots would be misses but that too is irrelevant, with as loud as this thing is as soon as bullets start flying perps aren't sticking around to ask what caliber that is you're shooting at them. I too wish Walther would successfully design a double stack .22mag that actually cycled unlike KelTecs trash all polymer non steel reinforced ones but they went with the single stack exactly for the reliability aspect imo..
@@qbanlink25 The question is what advantage does this gun give you over a G19 (or similar)? Weight? no. Capacity? no. Size? no. Reliability? no. Cheaper ammo? no. Price? no. It doesn't have any standout features to justify the weaker less reliable round.
If I had to replace my 1911 22magnum, I believe I'd go keltec
The kelt tec is a breeze to disassemble. Def a finicky mag load. Ive had the tec for yrs. Its a lazer beam. And i have it running many ammo brands and types after a fluff and buff
Sorry Sir But you make it seem much more difficult than it is on the Takedown of the Kel-Tec PMR30. Believe Me \, It Is NOT! Yes I have to agree that the Walther is Faster but that is It! Both are Easy to Clean and Easy to Reassemble!! I Love My PMR30 and so far I have had NO Problems with Mine! GOOD LUCK!
I want one!
PMR for 5 years now, several thousand rounds through it. At first during break in had a few failure to feed and eject, but now THIS FUCKER ROCKS. Clean it lube it and load the mags properly with 40+ grain rounds and NO problems. Very accurate and with 30 rounds, the 15 from the walther is WEAK.
I will say you are wrong on the breakdown, drop the mag, remove the pin, and the top half slides right off, SIMPLE.
like many KelTec products, they get a bad rap because they tend to be on the road less-traveled, design-wise. If you are careful to load the mags and use the right ammo, it is a dream to shoot and 100% reliable.
Has anyone heard if the Walther will be offered with a threaded barrel in the near future? Would like to use my suppressor . Thanks
I have both. My PMR has been in for repairs twice. I got it back and went to the range and had an out of battery detonation. I didn't even bother sending it back to Kel TEC for a third time. My Walther has been 100 % from day one.
My pmr30 has been back 4 times. They have a lifetime warranty. Why because your going to need it!
2 case ruptures 1 really sprayed my face. The 4th go around they replaced the receiver/frame and added letter 'A' letter to the end of the serial number. CCI maxi mags. Uplula load assist tapping the back after every 5th round and never load beyond 20 rounds and new magazines. The reviews that state I ran 2000 rounds with no Jams are bullshit. 3 local gun stores and 2 ranges do not stock keltec any longer they dont want customers coming back with complaints after 2 weeks. The Mcarbo $200 rebuild kit is just throwing good money after bad! I have 2 .22mag revolvers ruger lcrx and smith wesson 351c. They are both good. Take care!
The Walther brand is an old proven name, but not their new pistol. It would be the overall winner if it only had a 30 round magazine you cannot beat Keltec 30 round magazine capacity. I didn’t know which one of these I was going to get until I watched all the different videos on both. Right now $369 on Palmetto state armory web sight for the black one. And $359 on Big daddy unlimited.
Took back my pmr in 3 outings it jammed once each time! Got the Walter WMP and not one jam!
Should’ve included the RIA XT22 in the comparison.
I bought the KelTec at Academy for less than $300. I use it as a camp gun. It's light enough to carry all day and with the 30 rounds of 22 mag it should get the job done. I don't camp in any areas with bear or moose and am most concerned with predators of the 2-legged variety. And with the 22 caliber I won't get accused of being Dirty Harry should I have to exercise my 2A right.
Kel-tec holds 30rds. Good lord that's AWESOME. if it wasn't so damn ugly I'd probably buy one . Your Ruger 6 is Beautiful !
My pmr likes pointed tip ammo, sweet fireballs every other shot and an awesome trigger. Dowside is the plastic grip feels cheap and its verticaly split i dont like it.
I haven't tried this yet on mine, but I bet a Hogue hand-all or Pachmyr slip on would make for a nice fix to that.
I actually spent a little time cleaning up that seam on mine, about 10 minutes, with a 3d printer scraper blade tool - you wouldn't think that little bump would make a difference, but wow, how much nicer it feels.
I started running Hornady vmax 30grain in my keltec along with mcarbo kit runs flawlessly ever since. I was extremely frustrated before this. Mine is latest Gen.
Did I miss you pointing out that the WMP is optic ready?
Hello, Do you still shoot the Walther WMP ? Any reason not to purchase one ?
I'm a Walther fan and my husband and I have many Walther pistols. Thank you for sharing this video 🙏
Let's see the ,PMR 30 is half the weight and it has double the round capacity I
know which one I'm picking
I liked the wmp until you said it only holds 15
have the pmr n cmr 30 .. sold the cmr 30 fast AF .. pmr got my years of gunsmithing thrown at it .. n multiple keltec trips .. even now it's SOMEWHAT reliable in function if you keep Rd count to about 22-25...
the Walther ???? Glock like reliability... fed every ammo type n weight I could find.. maybe it's different from the poster .. but mine legit feeds everything.. the 15 RDS u give up on paper translates to 7 RDS real life as few load their pmr 30 full as the first 6-7 shots is where most jams occur ... plus the Walther doesn't need to be ran wet like the pmr 30... that Walther was shot all day near 600 RDS in one outing.. no issues . while I love the design of the pmr it's engineering and QC were lost on it .. hopefully they take some pointers off Walther n incorporate some of Walthers ideas n features and redesign the pmr 30.. then it'll be a winner.. til then everyone you're much better off with the Walther wmp hands down
bought the pmr30 in april, i must have gotten lucky, as i can dump all 4 of my mags one after another with the CCI maxi mag tnt 30grain without a issue, am at over 500 rounds through it total without a single problem. was going to get the mcarbo kit for it but as of yet i see no reason to do so.
I couldn't agree with you more, had my PMR-30 for years, MCarbo everything and it still jams cuz it's achilles heel is the crap all polymer dual stack magazines with no steel reinforcements or an actual mechanism to assist feeding in the rounds consistently unlike these Walther mags for the WMP. If KelTec were to redesign those successfully and improve on the inner workings of the PMR like it's polymer trash feed ramp and perhaps a bit of a better less blocky crap grip for a more ergonomic one it would go a long way in improving reliability without consumers having to spend hundreds in aftermarket parts and claim the bulk of the market for .22wmr semi auto handguns.
Someone needs to make a pocket carry 22magnum compact /subcompact.
Smth wesson model 351
I will always take 30 rounds! No matter how hard it is to clean. I will be an expert in a week with disassembly
So it's more like a 26to28+1 with Kel-Tec and some more possibilities of it not working when needed most, however if you take regular care of it, clean it, train with it and swap out the rounds of your emergency loaded mags once a week, or go shoot some off for practice, well then you have a true polymer beast and 26to28 SuperSonic rounds that can fly 1.5 to 2.5 times above the speed of your average self defense Handgun round like 9mm, .40S&W, .45acp ETC. So instead of 850-950FPS of a heavier load, your slinging a smaller but still very loud and lethal round close to rifle speed... 28 rounds of 1300-1600FPS from a pistol without reloading would be awesome! Just dbl tap every time you pull the trigger in a self defense situation and they would be done. It's the poor man's 5.7. But you'd have to be careful cuz like Buckshot, those 22WMR rounds especially slugs will go through a few walls for sure.
Then there's the Walther which is good to go right out the package but at half the capacity, and a nice HK VP9 style grip, and I imagine it's much tougher.
Hard choice.
Maybe just go for the S&W M&P .22WMR, it'll be made well like a Walther but will prob have the same ACTUAL 30+1 capacity like the PMR30 minus the the random issues..... but they all have issues, they are like ppl, we can't run at full capacity at full speed without some problems along the way, also like a car or horse they have to be gently broken in...
But I love how 22WMR can be anywhere from 1300FPS to a 1600FPS round in a pistol, but a 2400FPS round in a rifle.
#Lethal
I almost forgot the Springfield Echelon 22WMR,
22WMR is a nice rifle round for game up to 250lbs and can go in a nice pistol too for carry. I think a having a .22LR and 22WMR pistol and rifle combo would be awesome if SHTF, although there is no doubt my HK USP .45acp would be my main side squeeze and my Savage .270Win would be for large game or hostil threats that are 200-750 yards out. SKS for the 75-200yard intruders, and the HK USP 45acp and one of the hi capacity 22WMR pistols for 100 yards or less.
Looks like the Walther WMP is better than the Kel-Tec PMR-30 but i like the Smith&Wesson M&P 22 LR
Got to give Walther props for advertising on louder with Crowder, be nice to see more gun companies get behind conservative creators.
One of my favorite calibers.... Let's go Brandon.
It’s becoming one of my favorites, especially since I was gifted a Heritage RR with the WMR cylinder. It’s all I have right now so I hope the CCI Maxi Mags do their job if needed. I’d love to get a Ruger 5.7, what a beast.
@@deborahchesser7375 5.7x28 is incredible, but it's a different beast.
Full power 5.7x28 is about 3 times the energy of .22 Mag out of a handgun.
5.7x28 ammo is expensive to buy right now, but PSA just released a nice 5.7x28 handgun for really cheap.
You might like that.
Not said enough in my opinion. FJB
15 rounds of 22 magnum on a full size pistol ? come on Walther......give me the Sig......
SIG does not make a 22wmr semi-auto pistol.
😂
Ive had the Keltec, pistol was bad for jamming, I could not cure the problem, seemed to do a little better if I shorted the mag stack by five or more rounds, but it still fouled often.
I got rid of it.
How's it have to do is make the barrel for the 17 call my call and ask them why they didn't they just said they couldn't keep up with what they were doing
The only complaint I have about the either one of them is the 22 magnum ammunition is way too high I used to buy it for $2 $3.50 a box now it's close to $20 a box it's the saying you can get 9mmm for 1299 and sometimes less than that
Be happy you don't shoot 5.7
I did not see you cover the safety on these guns. I have a PMR 30 and I think the Safety is is a bad place and not easy to actuate. I don't know where the safety is on the Walther. I do like the Walther. If you need more than 15 shots to stop someone, you are in trouble!
There is no manual safety on the Walther.
@@Artyom-wb4ol Thanks. I saw that in another video. It is a "trigger" safety like a Glock
Both manufactures need to offer a drop in threaded barrel. the guys are a little on the loud side with the fire show.
There is an aftermarket drop in threaded barrel for the PMR30.
No reviewer has mentioned: is the Walther WMP double action only, since there is no manual safety? Or is dry-fire the only way to uncock the gun and make it safe?............................elsullo
99% of handguns made today have to be uncocked by dry firing.
That includes the WMR & the PMR 30.
That's a standard thing.
Decockers are pretty rare with newer guns.
You don't have to uncock them to make them clear & safe though.
Just drop the mag & rack the slide.
@@pewpew9193 But that means leaving the striker springs compressed FOREVER. Better to put an empty shell in the chamber and fire the striker. This is why I am obsessed with having an exterior hammer to manually lower........................elsullo
Safety?
I've owned both a PMR30 and Walther PPQ Q5 Match for years now and without ever even holding the WMP once I could safely say that from a reliability stand point the WMP is the clear winner. My PMR30 is a 1st Gen and with that said I purposely went out of my way to improve upon it with aftermarket kits by MCarbo, I've upgraded everything you can in that weapon system but it's achilles heel is still the poorly designed cheap polymer magazines, whether hand loading it or with a speed loader the rounds tend to get stuck and cause misfeeds, I don't ever top them off complete either to not make things worse but even when running 25 as opposed to 30 they still give me the bulk of the issues with this gun. Again I've upgraded everything else to include fancy aluminum feedramp (the latest model dual feedramp design), trigger, springs, slide stop, magazine release buttons and heavy duty buffer so it's much better equipped than even the out of the box newer generations PMR30's. If KelTec redesigned those dual stack mags to include steel reinforcements and a feature similar to the design of these Walther mags that actually worked they would be the winner hands down, the allure of the KelTec is how light it is and how many rounds it carries but none of that is useful if it wont shoot the damn things, after spending over $300 in add on's over the years I can still see a youtube video of a new design and call it for what it is (an improvement). Lastly I purposely did not mount an optic onto my PMR30 so as to not add any additional weight to the slide and hamper reliability further.
The WMP is marginally larger in dimension, most definitely heavier and only has the half the capacity of it's competitor but at a glance it's much better made internally with aluminum parts, a fairly heavy barrel for balancing and reinforcements throughout as opposed to heavy polymer use, Walther claims it's dry fire safe and it may just be but to be fair I can't verify that. If you own a PMR you know dry firing it a few times damages the internal polymer where part of the hammer strikes cuz it's heavily predicated around a polymer frame design, I can vouch for Walther's ergonomics even if it's not an exact copy of my Q5, anything close to that would be a massive improvement over the KelTec generic feeling oversized grip but more importantly and imo above all else is the WMP's magazine design. Single stack for improved reliability and if you look closely it is steel reinforced not just all plastic and it has "two" points of contact above that hold onto and guide the rounds at the proper angle to avoid feeding issues, that's why this thing is so reliable out of the box without having to spend another dime on it only to still have it fail like it's competitor's cheap cost savings approach. Again if KelTec could do a quality redesign of their dual stack mags with steel reinforcements and a round guide system that actually worked even if it were an aftermarket purchase only option they would own the .22mag semiauto handgun market but in it's current configuration it's mediocre at best. I'll keep my PMR still I've invested too much into it to ever get anywhere near half my $ back and it's what I use to teach my wife to shoot but I'm definitely picking up one of these WMP's solely for it's reliability aspects cuz any other perceived downsides (weight, size, ammo count) I can live with.
Rock Island 22mag
From your experience, which ammo does the Kel Tech PMR-30 function at its highest level?
CCI Maxi-Mag 22WMR Total Metal Jacket 1875fps 40gr.
Over 9 years I've shot thousands of various mfg. rounds, with no issues with the CCI.
I've been very happy with the Hornady 45gr FTX Critical Defense - but I am having to be very cautious with using it on the range, as I am down to only a couple of boxes left, and Hornady hasn't made a batch run in a while...
I also have had best luck with the Aguila 40gr semi-jacketed softpoint.
W M P = Weapon of Maximum Plinking? 😉
Man u can punch that pmr pin with ur finger or bullet. And it's not hard to clean a pmr 30. Ya loading the pmr is hard but u only got to load it once a month lmao.
30 beats 17 all day
Not when 30 jams on 2😉
Bought a new Kel-Tec and had it explode in my hand. They knew of the defect but did not recall or warn of this problem. Had to fight with them for months to get my money back. Kel-Tec is synonymous for "JUNK".
What model did you have?
Kel-tec is kinda in a class of their own amongst firearms manufacturers.
They certainly do not have a 1st class name in reliability like major gun companies such as Walther, Ruger, S&W, H&K, Sig Sauer, etc but they do make some guns that run reliably.
It's kinda hit & miss.
Kel-tec is innovative and relatively inexpensive.
They make some interesting offerings. Some things that they make are merely range toys.
Some things they make are fairly reliable and inexpensive CCWs. I have owned a P11, PF9, P32 & P2000 folding 9mm and all of them were reliable.
I wouldn't put 1,000's of rounds through their affordable CCW guns and would recommend that anyone that has one, should only take it to the range for getting familiar with it and not for just fun target shooting.
I feel that they do have a place in the firearms market but can't be expected to hold up like the names I mentioned earlier.
I don't care what you have you shoot long enough for going to figure out that all guns jam wheel guns misfire it's usually a molar magazines just about every time
Too bad Kalifornia won't allow the Walther WMP.
Note: The WMP is available with 10 round magazines as Item Number: 5220302
@@oldkeltec7037 if you can ever find a 10 rd mag. I've had this gun going on 3 1/2 months and I still don't have a mag for it. I got it from buds, they wouldn't send it with a mag, now I have to try and find a mag somehow 😅. But everyone is "out of stock"
Th in German is pronounced as "T". W is pronounced as "V" therefore Walther is pronounced "Valter". I speak fluent German.
But the PMR is so ugly! I have a P17 Which is a lovely shooter and looks decent. My sub 2000 is ugly but it’s ugly for a reason. There’s nothing like it on the market. I had a PPS that felt like nothing else in my hand and I’m sure that Walter is just the same
Why does everyone call it the European heal release? The first gun with a thumb release was European the c93 and the luger. Both used a thumb release before any commercial American pistol.
I bought a WMP the d6 after it was released. The Kel tech I bought new three years ago. It went back to the factory 4 times in a month and a half becuase it wouldn’t feed reliably. Kel tec ended up refunding me directly. Cheap junk vs the the Walther. The kel tec is goofy and flimsy 2 piece design. Look at all the screws that hold the 2 piece lower together.lol. I bet they sell zero now that Walther has made the first reliable 22wmr on the planet. My Walther will cycle all the non suggested ammo it has listed with a 100 % reliability rate.
And here i keep reading other commenters saying things along the lines of "my PMR has shot x hundreds of rounds with ZERO issues/malfunctions" when i know they're full of shit, i own one for years and i know the troubles it has even after heavily upgrading it's parts and inner workings. For sure getting the WMP next.
Wmp all day
Very bias against Kel Tec...
Walther is way too big and bulky.
kel is junk all day in all types
I love my PMR 30, what chu talkin bout?
@@seth3000gtrust. malfunction. breakage. unsafe. cheap.
@@seth3000gt thanks for the info.. i had very bad go with them a while ago. good to know.
@@nageeb96 I have had FLAWLESS operation for THRITY YEARS from my Kel-Tec P-11 9mm. It is STILL more accurate than I can SEE............................elsullo
My PMR is a piece of shit but I love it. It weighs nothing And it fires 30 rounds first time users instinctively stop firing around 20-25 rounds like it's broken or something cuz It's still firing lol! And if you mag dump it people are staring at you like what the hell was what And they sell WMR 2200 ft per sec! Most of the gun fits in the palm of my hand. Looks like I'm holding a stick or flashlight But actually it's a barrel with 30 pissed off hornets in it