Fun fact about this movie. The cast showed up 2 weeks early to get to know each other and other misc things. They ended up spending 2 weeks partying and drinking. Apparently filming was very smooth and everyone got along
That is a genuinely fun fact. I had fun with it. I like when people who are working together are actual friends. Kinda like how Star Trek The Next Generation is the only cast that actually got along (I don't actually know if the ENT crew became friends, but TOS/DS9/VOY definitely weren't).
When I watched this movie when I was younger my thoughts were always "Why does he like that lame girl? the blacksmith lady is waaay better!" All these years later, watching this again, I feel totally vindicated lol
yeap the blacksmith and the servant girl are way better, usually in this type of movies the MC realises that the high maintenance girl is not worth it and goes for the girl thats down to earth
Yea but the whole point was he wasnt a noble and he not only became a knight and a champion but he got the noblewoman. It's like in a highschool movie from the 80s where the nerd beats up the bully and gets the cheerleader instead of his cute artsy friend that was there the whole time
Yeah, the one thing keeping this movie from being higher on my own favorite list is the main woman. I don't know if it's the character or the actress. I think someone else could have made the character more playful and less b*tchy.
@@jlogan2228 Yeah, but that makes him look like a dick though, just like in those highschool movies where the cute artsy friend did everything right, but gets passed over because the nerd is insecure and only cares about the vanity element of dating the superficially attractive cheerleader... Makes the nerd look like a more pathetic person. Which is poetic, considering the *point* of the film was likely to try to make him NOT look pathetic... Good graphics alone don't make Last of Us 2 *good.* I ain't accepting that line of logic for *people* either...
@@jaybluff281 Thou should careth even more about ye lessons of Ye Don (Kino Be Uponeth Him), for _“He who Kekblocks thy fellow Massive with Fig-O-Tree, is an even bigger Massive and fulleth of Tism”_ Yet, thou art factually correct in yer assessment and therefore, ye proper edition has been done. Much obliged, and Don blesseth thee
I've never seen this full movie, and when they were getting to the bit where lady is asking the knight to throw a tournament for her hand, I would've bet *money* that this would be a turning point, where knight looks closer to home, to his friends who are actually sacrificing things and working to make *his* dream a reality, and he'd realize he does have love, but for them, as a family. Or you could indeed do a twist, and he and the blacksmith turn out to be the couple, and the romance there is born from how they've both had to fight to let their talents be recognized.
@@kylefrank638 ehh the lady blacksmith was kinda just the token tough girl that was in every 2000's film and his whole thing is wanting to be a knight and win jocelyn represents attaining true nobility. Plus guys in general want to pine over a princess not the female friend/fuck buddy
@@irishbob26 Yeah, it isn't a masterpiece, but its surprisingly fun and a good time. Easy to be on the movie's side. The modern soundtrack shouldn't work either but it really adds to the laid back nature of it
I also LOVE the arc involving prince edward how willaim shows him mercy in one tournament, then shows him respect saying yea i know youre the future king but i know you also want to joust and dont want to just be handed the win so out of respect i will give you my all, and then it comes full circle where edward says you show mercy and you show courage and that is worthy of knighthood
The Shadbaiting fantasy aspects aside, this film does actually do a solid job of portraying tournaments as the huge sporting and entertainment events of the period, with the participants being top tier athletes and popular stars. It's relentlessly good natured fun.
"why are they roasting a boar at this time, by the time it's ready it's going to be midnight" Never had a 1am Kabab after a night out? Whoever is roasting that boar is going to make bank.
@@kraven94365 I have gone out to the bars with friends, it isn’t my scene. It’s always noisy and we have to basically shout to talk. It’s not what I call a good time. Though I know my college compatriots love 1am food after partying. I also can’t handle alcohol. I’m throwing up for 12 hours the next day if I get drunk. So your advice is good, I have gone out, but it didn’t jive with me.
Very popular in the Philippines. Goes great with Beer and they do a type of baste made with Coca-Cola and Sprite and chilies that’s just to die for. Best $100 I ever spent.
The chemistry in this movie is insane. The actors are just a group of bros, the lady included. I seriously consider it one of my favorite movies because of how accidentally awesome it is.
It's actually refreshing to see you guys reacting to good films. It still feels surreal to me that this movie about jousting which has Queen and David Bowie in the soundtrack is actually one of the more historically accurate movies lol.
I mean, a soundtrack is just a soundtrack. It'd be like saying it's strange the Lion King had Elton John's music in it just because they're animals and, therefore, can not actually preform musical numbers in a human language.
It sucks that they don’t understand why they chose modern songs like that for the film and it’s for the accuracy. They wanted the audience to get the spirit of what the music would be like to the people there. If you played medieval music to a modern audience it would stand out incredibly as something you’re unfamiliar with but that’s not the vibe peasants and nobles attending these tourneys would have
The scene where Alan tudyk loses it whilst saying he’ll “fong you.. and there will be much.. pain..” is one of my favorite moments in all movies I’ve seen
@@bZman agreed. Doom patrol season one is such a strange thing, but he is definitely the best villain of the series. That and his Joker in the animated Harley Quinn show is just fantastic. Really wish we would get him to play the role live action style.
@@bZman Tudyk is a national treasure. The entire "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!" monologue kills me every time. Much like the stegosaurus.
About the music, that was actually the exact point. They picked these songs to give the audience the FEELING of what wouldve been the mood in the stadium. They *_obviously_* didnt play Queen in the 1500s (or whenever this is supposed to take place) But the feel and atmosphere in the arena would have been the same as IF they did play "We will rock you"
good music can make or break a movie (entertainment) in this 1 i say the music was good. in modern horror movies im more scared by the sounds and music than whatever the fuk happens on screen
i think the music actually kind of helps, considering the vibe the movie's going for, honestly. This isn't supposed to be a period drama, it's supposed to just be a fun sports movie that just so happens to be about jousting. The movie's clearly not taking itself too seriously, so even as a massive history nerd i'll happily give them suspension of belief.
Fun fact. My dad walked out on this movie and demanded a refund because he thought it was going to be a historical movie. When they started stomping to queen he got up and left.
@@Genubath1 in his words he was fine with the soundtrack. It was the participation of the audience that made him go. "No this is not what I was promised'
1:26:00 count Adamar beat William in Williams' second tournament after 1 month of training, then while Adamar was at war, William won a bunch of tournaments in a row, gaining a ton of jousting experience. I am not saying Adamar was 100 % sure he would lose, but he was clearly not confident he would win. If Adamar was sure of victory, he wouldn't have bothered to follow William and would not have seen Williams dad.
There's also the scenes where Adamar and his friends analyze Williams jousting as fearless and how adamars cohort says "on a horse with a lance that man is unbeatable"
I never felt he followed him to find a weakness or way to beat him, more that he suspected something wasn't quite right with Sir Um and wanted to find another way to publicly embarass him.
@@wangusbeef86 I'm just spewing here, but in the context of "Fair lady" I think that's true, but I hear people say "fair knight" and they arent referring to visual appearance, so maybe its just a honorific?
I did not expect to agree with Shad the most, on this movie in particular lol. I honestly thought he would've found it way too anachronistic and non-realistic. I was very pleasantly surprised to find he completely gets this film, and knows what makes it so fun and how it approaches using the anochronisms as a way to link the modern audience to the scene more.
Yeaaah you can edit copium masks on them all you want guys, but in that last bit at the end Shad and Sargon are completely right. William doesnt want a win by disqualification, he wants to BEAT him, definitively, it shows a clear difference in the characters of him and the badguy that William is willing to put his life on the line to prove he's worthy, while the Badguy would rather cheat than to risk even the possibility of losing.
Seriously. He stops doing the event he's best in because he only values tournament champion, and then when he wins after Adhemar forfeits, he says "but I didn't beat Adhemar so it doesn't count."
@@pulidoa1978They're in a big group riffing on it so I afford some mistakes. But they do get tangled in their own perspectives at times without considering alternatives. Their idea of William reporting Adamer to the authorities would work if William was the type to win at any cost, glory be dammed it's all about the W. But he's not and he's shown several times to make irrational decisions because he wants the honor, like him charging the Prince of Wales.
Also the part where they were arguing with Shad and Sargon about traditional relationships, like I'm supposed to believe these unmarried chaps would know more than the two Fathers about old school relationships
Something I've noticed watching a few of these, Mauler and Rags typically disregard heroic motivation and "mythic" or legendary themes for stricter rationalism. Seeing Sargon and Shad argue for those more fanciful and classically romantic bits against the more cynical nature of Mauler and Rags points a bit to the age gap and generational differences in how those ideas are perceived.
Not really, it's just different personalities. I am of an age with the two and I am more poetically minded than them. However, they were absolutely correct on many takes that this comment section seems to want to defend because they liked the movie. Rationality will win out in the end, that is always true, even in soaring epic tales you need to be coherent.
@@Arphemius William may have been irrational, but his character was absolutely consistent. It is the same reason why Maximus didn't try to stop the fight at the end of Gladiator by yelling 'hey, he stabbed me before the fight!" To the crowd.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon Maximus had nothing to lose and was in a far lesser position. He had to try to get the emperor to fight so that he could kill him. A gladiator accusing the emperor of cheating would do nothing. William losing means that the woman he loves is married off and raped for the rest of her life. The stakes and circumstances are different. As for consistency, he had already shown that he would risk losing a tournament and personal honor over losing her. The movie went out of its way to show that in a really annoying way. However, all that being said, I can also see how he might choose to do what he did. Character motivation arguments are always spurious to me. People are inherently unpredictable, you never really know what they might do. The movie probably would have been better off just making the bad guy really good at what he does and not introduce the cheating aspect, so that the character is not put in that situation in the first place. But now that it has, how William acted in response really can't be considered much of a flaw, not in terms of it being a contradiction. It just makes him kind of egocentric and robs the final duel of the heroism element, as it now solely is about pride.
The music choice is purposefully done, and it's like Sargon was saying. The director said these tournies were the arena sports events of the day, and he wanted to convey that with the music. It is the same with the Bowie song at the dance. It's translated so that a modern audience gets the "vibe" (as the kids say), not necessarily the accuracy of it. It's a great choice and a strong creative decision.
Ironic because all my sisters who happened to be married hated the villain in question They said any woman who demands such things deserves to die alone and single. Go figure
I am surprised that they didn't understand the scene with the dance, where Count Adhemar calls out Ulrich to show some dance from Gelderland to embarrass him. Ulrich is obviously caught off-guard and since he only knows the dance he learned that day in the stables, he starts to demonstrate similar moves but clearly doesn't know what to do next. Jocelyn quickly understands the situation and saves him. When she steps in front of him and claps, it's cue for everyone that Ulrich's "demonstration" is over and they'll do the dance that everyone knows, which starts with this pose and clap and is the very dance Ulrich learned that day so even he knows what to do. I really like the scene because it shows how mean and petty Adhemar is, how out of his depth Ulrich can be in these situations and that Jocelyn is merciful.
@@fastenedcarrot9570 Asterix and Obelix films were cult classics in my country for as long as I can remember, most people watched them tens if not hundreds of times.
Every once in a while im reminded mauler is a totally demoralized brit and rags cannot even comprehend of a not modern world dichotomy but the absolute failing to grasp that william is a man whose greatest desire is to be an honorable knight, so of course he loses for his ladies favor, of course he wants to win with martial might not by a technicality. Those are both things done for honor and a sense of romanticism. I like them both but those flaws do keep showing up in this series they just do not fundementally understand people who dont care so much about their mortal lives as immortal values like honor, gallantry, and religion.
She's mad that he called her a "silly little girl", her ego was bruised so she wants her petty revenge and humiliate him, proving she's just a silly little gurl.
I am with shad and sargon on this one William is not logical, he is heroic and romantic. it's inline with his character to be willing to die to prove he's better than evil man even at a disadvantage Comparing the situation with lances To someone cheating with a gun in a swordfight doesn't account for it being a tournament with judges. The cheat, It's more subtle than that but ok, good meme.
Oddly Shad is correct, William was shown being reckless multiple times and he wanted to beat mister villain so badly at his own game, that he was willing to joust with his injury against the cheating bastard. It is all for the honor of the event as well as the revenge aspect, also there would be no climax at the end without it, justified in my eyes.
There’s the added pride in that he was literally just knighted as Sir William, and yes his hard headedness does not allow him to back down and tarnish that. He’s even willing to die now knowing he would die a knight. That’s honor there as well as pride.
I totally defend "We Will Rock You" in the beginning of this movie. It 100% sets the mood that the modern audience can instantly appreciate. I compare this to the Shrek films, full of anachronistic jokes or references. Those things are there for the audience's amusement in a movie that never claims to take itself too seriously as a historically accurate film. If it was put in the middle of Gladiator, The Northman or Lord of the Rings, then yes, it would be extremely jarring.
They unfortunately miss it but Adamar’s harold learning from Jeff how to spice up his introductions is a precious little mini-arc to me. “My Lords, my Ladies… and- all you other people..!”
Top 5 for me! Shad our hero, vindicating William! Iv'e only ever seen the extended version, and the paul bettany speech is ingrained in my memory, I can't believe they cut it! (ps. Iv'e done a horse mounted jousting experience with the company that does some of the HOTD jousting and horse stunts, and those lances will fuck you up even at half pace).
Look, I'm a girl and I hate the way Joseline's actions are pardoned as "girls will be girls". The things we do for love! No! It's not romantic to make your partner beat himself up half to death to prove his love for you. Normal people hate to watch a stranger get hurt, let alone someone you love.
@@BumfluffAddlepate I never said it doesn't happen. I said it's a crappy thing to do. Men and women do stuff like this, telling their partners that they have to do something to prove their love. It's toxic and dumb
1:33:20 "I wouldn't be against, uh... maybe trimming scenes - a lot of them - and then... we end up with just a shorter run time. I dunno." -Mauler, the "Longman" Irony.
Ragz and Mauler are 1000% wrong about the ending stakes of the film. It would be a massive let down if William won for tattling on Adamar. It's so much more satisfying to see the hero win, even when the villain is cheating to get a one-up on them.
And it's for that shallow reason that you fail to understand the great storytelling here. The film is even aware that her beauty isn't spectacular (the bit from Kate where she calls out Jocelyn's breasts for not being that impressive); however, in the very poetry scene wherein much of the "love story" is discussed, it's not purely about beauty. William and Jocelyn are both outsiders in many ways: William a peasant masquerading as a noble, and Jocelyn would be considered very shrewish and a black sheep for how she ridicules the church openly. More importantly, the film is trying to capture medieval romanticism wherein people sacrifice, rise above themselves, and perform in a way that considered honorable and worth embodying. This isn't GoT where sex and physical attraction is the root of every encounter, character motivation, or plot point.
You raise some good points. Where I think the EFAP crew has a solid argument is that the ending might be improved if the villain wasn't cheating, if his cheating wasn't obvious, and if William was shown to be slightly more reckless or egotistical earlier in the film. That all said, you could say the ending has problems and the movie has a few issues throughout but it's still a great, simple comedy.
William choosing to sacrifice is to prove to her that he will back up his words and prove that he is serious since it is easy to just say something. Once she has seen that she rescinds it and tells him to win.
Yeah, from Jocelyn's point of view William is just another thirsty knight trying to seduce her, so her ultimatum makes sense. Once she realizes William has genuine feelings for her she treats him well for the rest of the movie.
Especially since Adamar had been a massive dick to him, was going to take Jocelyn, and also as stated earlier he wouldn't REALLY be champion until he beat Adamar who was the only person he had lost to
Mauler and Rags have shown a consistent inability to escape the modern safety culture mindset. The other core values, liberty, purity, authority, loyalty, and fairness are all behind saftey/equality/care/harm(all the same core heidt moral axum) for them
@@eidolon1426?? What’s the point of this reply? You’re just insulting this dude for no reason? I get it’s the internet but you literally provide no substance. Just keep quiet will you.
Mauler and Rags are wrong at the end. Makes sense for William to go that far. The guy is super into honor and virtue. He wants to beat Count Adamar by himself, not by cheating disqualification.
This used to be one of my favourite movies when I was a kid... I still enjoy watching it from time to time, and even though I tend to dislike comedies or romantic comedies more specifically, this movie still holds up decently well. Also, I'm not sure how that's possible but A Knight's Tale somehow managed to depict its medieval elements more realistically than some of the modern, big budget productions, even though it doesn't take itself seriously at all. Overall a very enjoyable piece of film.
I find myself siding with Shad. While there is definitely a case to be made for exposing the cheating, I don’t think that is how a man like William would want to complete the goal which he pursued with single-mindedness. William is a risk taker in pursuit of his aims. Even Adamar comments in the film that he does not avert his gaze while jousting as other nights do which is risky, but helps him keep his eyes on his target. Tons of other examples as well. That being said, totally understand where mauler and rags are coming from
While I'm not a fan of the character of Jocelyn overall, the "lose to prove you love me" is perfect for the movie. The simp/thot comparison doesn't work here because of motivations. Simps/Thots are looked down on because it is a largely one sided parasitic relationship where the unattainable goal is used to milk stupid men of their money for little to nothing in return. Jocelyn is clearly not entertaining throngs of men with a scam and William is forced to act against his own self-interest in a way that doesn't actually benefit anybody to prove a point. Actually... if there is a thot in this movie, it's William while the simps are his retinue. They largely put their money and well-being at risk for William's personal goal while he doesn't think about them at all (excepting Jeff's gambling debt). Any time the good of the group comes into question, William will often take the selfish path (like with losing the jousts or giving up swordfighting).
@@Neon-Covenanter In fairness Rag's has the big gay, so him not understanding how femoids function is not surprising, and Mauler is too long for any woman to handle, so that explains his own ignorance.
Also, at that part in the film Jocelyn does not know who William is and thinks he is just another thirsty knight trying to seduce her. Which he kind of is... love at first sight is just lust afterall. So what's wrong with Jocelyn giving William an ultimatum before she is willing to pay attention to him? He doesn't have to do it and she doesn't lead him on for the rest of the movie. She actually seems to care more about William than he does about her. Oh well. At least Shad and Sargon defended her a little.
I dont think anyone here does either lol he LOST the first two rounds. If he was so badass the cheat wouldnt have worked. His ego should be crushed, and he should be scared that he cant win at that point. Him continuing the contest makes him look like a retard with no self preservation.
Part of the hesitation is that the music is immediately shown to be "diagetic" as the audience is dancing and singing along with it. I'm fairly sure that was intended by the director to show how fun the music was at that time, and how 'new' it was because it actually was a time of musical advancement/experimentation.
Had to stop this video almost right away to watch the movie. It just looked too good not to experience firsthand, and damn, it's one of my favorites now too. It's essentially a total opposite of the garbage we get today where the superficial aspects are left somewhat intact while the core of a character or an entire setting is warped beyond recognition. Here, the writers take ample liberties with the former but actually respect the latter. That's why I'm with Shad and Sargon. Under all the jokes and anachronisms, this is still a medieval romance ballad about staying true to your ideals. William gave Adhemar his word, as a knight, that he would unhorse him next time they met. It would've made no more sense for him to win by citing rules than for Gawain to stand the Green Knight up or for Lancelot to find a less dangerous husband to cuck. It would be the rational thing to do, yes, but that's just not who they are.
A bit of trivia: This movie's home release was delayed because it was to be released right after September 11th, 2001. It was delayed because the home version had the trailer for Spider-man on it. That trailer was pretty cool, but it was removed from all platforms and caused the delay of this movie's release because it featured Spider-man webbing a helicopter in mid air right between the twin towers. The home release videos were already in hand for purchase and rent ahead of release. All videos were to be returned to the distributor and destroyed and a new version, without the Spider-man trailer, was quickly redistributed. I have the recalled version.
I find it terrible that they decided to do that with the Spider-Man movie. It is even worse that they didnt rebuild the towers as a sign of spitting in the face of the evil that destroyed them and so many lives.
If Rags an Mauler would have a point here in "Brain over believing what is the right thing to do (honor)"...literally not a single young man would have left the landing crafts on D-Day. They were called the greatest generation for a reason guys.
LOL you can tell who the married men on the panel are. Not hating, btw. Just thought it was really funny to hear the lads bicker over the whole courtship subplot. It's a hot topic these days, and I enjoyed the way it weaved into their coverage. My heart says Shad and Sargon have the right of it. If the woman is chaste AND beautiful AND intelligent? She can demand A LOT from her suitors, and rightfully so. But my head says that if a chick asks you to wound your career and public image - and maybe even your literal body - she ain't worth it. No chick is. And MauLer raises a really good point, in that William's stunt could cost others their livelihood. It's not just his reputation and own life he's risking - its those of his friends. And that's fucked up. XD Also I loved the pure silence from the panel during William's reuniting with his father. That really is still a terrific scene. Not just because of its kickass performances from both actors, but because it really ties the movie together, past, present and future. It brings together all of William's development to a single point, and sets up his greatest challenge in the scenes to come. So narratively this scene just SLAPS. AND, as for the ending, I agree that Ademar's plan doesn't really make sense. You could've removed that part of this sequence, and the entire thing would still function. Especially when they find a way to get William to joust WITHOUT armor. That'd be insane enough against blunted lances. Why do they also need to be SECRETLY POINTY? Definitely an overstep, writing-wise. Anyway, A Knight's Tale has always been one of my favorites. Back when Hollywood movies still had that magic.
The thing is William is already risking injury and death in jousting. The thing Jostlyn is making him prove is that he isn't just jousting for his own glory and Ego. Every day She has suitors saying 'I will win this tournament for you." When they are already intent on winning anyway. What she wanted was to test whether he actually does love her or if he is simply just another horny lad trying to impress her. Now, I will say, I likely would have been fully convinced after the first few unopposed jousts, but still..
The dancing scene actually has a deleted scene where Adamar freaks out because his plan to make Ulrich look stupid fell on its face. He mentions he's tone deaf and cant dance, sing, or play instruments.
@@stevealford230 idk googling her not only was she an amazing looker (as showcased here ofc) but she has aged quite well, BB seems to have done a nice job making her up to match the insane and paranoid vibe of the character
@@mordirit8727 I'm not saying she was ugly... just that she didn't look familiar to me and certainly not like the gorgeous and well-built lady blacksmith. Maybe her acting (the character) or the way she was filmed or the way the wardrobe fit her made her unattractive to me... but I never connected that face or body to the one in this movie.
@@stevealford230it is def the haircut and the wardrobe bc Lydia is all business and incredibly uptight. Kate in this film is way more relaxed and laid back and has long beautiful hair and clothes that hug her figure more
@@stevealford230 oy mate you may not have been saying that but I was 100% saying Lydia was an ugly bitch lol Just good for the actress that it was basically all makeup and acting
For the type of film this is, the scene where William reunites with his Father is weirdly emotional, and very well preformed! Always got me in the feels when i was a kid!
Wow thanks for waiting like a quarter of a year to review this movie EFAP. Fuck I have DREAMED of you guys doing a watchthrough of this even before the war arc. This is my favorite movie ever. Since I was a kid.
The point of the "Proving love" is that he's WILLING to loose for her. But she would never demand he ACTUALLY loose for her, because that would be too much for him to bear
How do you know someone's willing to do something until they actually do? That said no jousting round is 14 runs long, 3 max, so it should have just been 3, more than that was excessive. After that he would have lost for her.
I really loved this movie growing up. Hopefully its as good as I remember. Edit: It was. Also at 17:20 to 17:30 that musical transition from the upbeat sorta festive tone to a more gothic religious one as they entered the cathedral was great. Love little details like that.
I got this on DVD as a birthday present when I turned ten. I expected a cheesy knights and swords movie. Within the first ten minutes I was pleasently surprised. Still love this movie.
It’s kinda annoying how they misses the reasoning for so many important elements of the film, like the reason they used modern music and had crowds singing it was they wanted to capture how it felt to them for the audience. The songs crowds woulda been singing would be ones they’d all come to be familiar with hearing that were written with the purpose to be sung by regular people after hearing it once or twice in large groups. To them hearing those songs would be like hearing contemporary hits are to us. Also the reason he keeps the joust going is because he wants to win regardless of his opponent cheating he is trying to rise above that challenge because that’s a big part of medieval romanticism.
@@Arphemius No it is not. Beating your opponent in spite of his cheating is the ultimate victory. Settle it as a man, not go crying to mommy. Honor is yours twice fold, and shows that true honor wins out.
@@BogaSlawa Ego and honor are two different concepts. Certainly the more handicaps you put on yourself, the more skill you need to have, that much is logical. However, honor is involved with virtue and duty. Exposing him as a dishonorable cheater is more important than winning, because it sets an example. As a man, not a child, swallow your pride and make him an example. Then you can request to fight him and win.
I’m so excited for this!!! Everyone loves a Knight’s Tale. It’s meant to be ridiculous but a good story. And I feel the gang will respect it as soon as Shad realizes the didn’t give a f*ck about historical accuracy.
I think Mauler and Rags found the key point that convinced a lot of men to simp for a woman they like, while people can find it charming and romantic. In practice, it's having the man willingly sacrifice themselves for what they desire instead of thinking rationally what it would mean
It's so strange to see Mauler & Rags (& editor) dismiss the music/language argument when it's just objectively correct. It really feels like "I didn't like the music choice so it can't be good." Mauler even says "oh but you could justify so many other things with that argument." Like _what?_ Genuinely what? Historical movies, even good ones, are already full to bursting with anachronisms, why complain that one of them is actually well-explained and justified (and played for laughs) for once?
Yeah, they were wrong this episode. Always good to see a healthy back and forth, though I'm sad they didn't seem to understand Sargon and Shad's arguments.
There was a time between 1999 and 2008 when Heath Ledger was the biggest heart throbe in Hollywood. Leonardo Dicaprio was stuck as the Titanic pretty-boy, even with all the help from Scorsese, but Heath meanwhile was heralded up with Day Lewis as the great method actors while also doing blockbusters and rom-coms. And even before being immortalized by the Dark Knight he was ordained alongside with James Dean as the greatest 20-something actor in film taken too soon from us.
WHY IS NO ONE SAYING LYDIA, OH LYDIA!!! The actress that plays the cute blacksmith is Lydia in Breaking Bad, probably just didn't scroll far enough. Took me by surprise that it wasn't mentioned.
I love Mauler, but his takes on this movie were painful. You could feel him bouncing off throughout the video, felt like he couldn’t take it as a non-historical or serious movie
It makes complete sense for William to joust without armour because they already established that he favours hitting the target over his own safety (ie. Not lowering his head to protect his eyes)
Genuinely funny that Mauler and Rags apparently wanted the movie to end like the SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, rather than a heroic tale of honor and triumph Imagine William going, “Guys! G-Guys! The bad guy cheated! I have triumphed over the villain in the most unsatisfying way imaginable, like a child tattling on a bully in school!” Like, c’mon. It’s not inconsistent with the character, nor does it not make sense for the overall tone and themes. Heroism isn’t always pragmatic; it can be about proving a point
I agree that they were wrong about william but I think they are right that it was boring that adhemar cheated and that it would have been better if he resorted to it after when he was about to lose or if Adhemar just didn't cheat at all because he would want to prove to himself that he is geniunely better then william so why cheat?
@@moe5020pretty much anything *except* the idea of him cheating and William winning by tattling would work for me. Just don’t fly in the face of basic romanticized heroism, since that’s the entire point of the film, and you’re all good
@Opener73 the prison scene showed that adhemar was kind of ashamed of that though and it was more to get him away from jocelyn then to avoid jousting with him. Also the emperor in gladiator couldn't have won without cheating adhemar has already beat william and is undefeated so why would he have this loser mentality where he feels he needs to cheat?
Fun fact about this movie. The cast showed up 2 weeks early to get to know each other and other misc things.
They ended up spending 2 weeks partying and drinking.
Apparently filming was very smooth and everyone got along
Ah, the good Ole days.
well they knew how make movies way back then🤣n…
I could believe that, seeing how good all the chemistry is on screen.
Sounds like a Drinker Production Heaven episode.
That is a genuinely fun fact. I had fun with it. I like when people who are working together are actual friends. Kinda like how Star Trek The Next Generation is the only cast that actually got along (I don't actually know if the ENT crew became friends, but TOS/DS9/VOY definitely weren't).
When I watched this movie when I was younger my thoughts were always "Why does he like that lame girl? the blacksmith lady is waaay better!" All these years later, watching this again, I feel totally vindicated lol
yeap the blacksmith and the servant girl are way better, usually in this type of movies the MC realises that the high maintenance girl is not worth it and goes for the girl thats down to earth
Yea but the whole point was he wasnt a noble and he not only became a knight and a champion but he got the noblewoman.
It's like in a highschool movie from the 80s where the nerd beats up the bully and gets the cheerleader instead of his cute artsy friend that was there the whole time
Yeah, the one thing keeping this movie from being higher on my own favorite list is the main woman. I don't know if it's the character or the actress. I think someone else could have made the character more playful and less b*tchy.
@@jlogan2228
Yeah, but that makes him look like a dick though, just like in those highschool movies where the cute artsy friend did everything right, but gets passed over because the nerd is insecure and only cares about the vanity element of dating the superficially attractive cheerleader...
Makes the nerd look like a more pathetic person. Which is poetic, considering the *point* of the film was likely to try to make him NOT look pathetic...
Good graphics alone don't make Last of Us 2 *good.* I ain't accepting that line of logic for *people* either...
@@eidolon1426I mean it didn’t seem as though the blacksmith was interested
_“I care not what they telleth thee in school, «We Will Rocketh Thee» is a traditional English Medieval song”_
-*Bridgett Faggins*
Thou should care for what thy learned in schola, for 'ye' means 'the', not 'you'.
@@jaybluff281 Thou should careth even more about ye lessons of Ye Don (Kino Be Uponeth Him), for _“He who Kekblocks thy fellow Massive with Fig-O-Tree, is an even bigger Massive and fulleth of Tism”_
Yet, thou art factually correct in yer assessment and therefore, ye proper edition has been done. Much obliged, and Don blesseth thee
*Blacksmith is Best Girl.*
*I do appreciate that the entire panel agrees.*
Followed by French Maiden.
The noble lady is the Tsundere. Her handmaiden, however, gives best girl a run for her money.
Did you know another big role of hers was "Lydia" in Breaking Bad?
I've never seen this full movie, and when they were getting to the bit where lady is asking the knight to throw a tournament for her hand, I would've bet *money* that this would be a turning point, where knight looks closer to home, to his friends who are actually sacrificing things and working to make *his* dream a reality, and he'd realize he does have love, but for them, as a family. Or you could indeed do a twist, and he and the blacksmith turn out to be the couple, and the romance there is born from how they've both had to fight to let their talents be recognized.
@@kylefrank638 ehh the lady blacksmith was kinda just the token tough girl that was in every 2000's film and his whole thing is wanting to be a knight and win jocelyn represents attaining true nobility. Plus guys in general want to pine over a princess not the female friend/fuck buddy
A Knight's Tale has long been my go to comfort movie. The acting and character work are on point.
It isn't a war movie without Orlando Bloomer. *smugross
It doesn't try too hard
Watched the shit out of it while playing World of Warcraft, those were honestly some seriously good vibe times.
@@irishbob26 Yeah, it isn't a masterpiece, but its surprisingly fun and a good time. Easy to be on the movie's side. The modern soundtrack shouldn't work either but it really adds to the laid back nature of it
The guys in this movie actually act like a group of friends would
I love the callback with
"God love ya William" "I know , no one else will!"
To
" God love ya William.....and so do I"
^.-.^ Friendship, Camaraderie, Brotherhood, Banter.
It's one of those movies perfect for a friend group of teenagers and young men to watch. Great stuff.
I also LOVE the arc involving prince edward how willaim shows him mercy in one tournament, then shows him respect saying yea i know youre the future king but i know you also want to joust and dont want to just be handed the win so out of respect i will give you my all, and then it comes full circle where edward says you show mercy and you show courage and that is worthy of knighthood
Yes! I absolutely love every scene with the Black Prince.
@@Oetam8566
Woah woah woah! Prince is just fine. No need to make this about race.
@@nananamamana3591 That was hilarious 🤣😂
The Shadbaiting fantasy aspects aside, this film does actually do a solid job of portraying tournaments as the huge sporting and entertainment events of the period, with the participants being top tier athletes and popular stars. It's relentlessly good natured fun.
I love that it's structured and filmed like a sports movie, just set in the medieval times.
Did they have a World Championship? And were people outside of Northwest Europe whining they weren't invited?
"why are they roasting a boar at this time, by the time it's ready it's going to be midnight" Never had a 1am Kabab after a night out? Whoever is roasting that boar is going to make bank.
Hearing what my college compatriots who go to bars partying say, this statement is straight facts.
@Theendman42 go out with them for one night, live outside of your comfort zone!
@@kraven94365 I have gone out to the bars with friends, it isn’t my scene. It’s always noisy and we have to basically shout to talk. It’s not what I call a good time. Though I know my college compatriots love 1am food after partying. I also can’t handle alcohol. I’m throwing up for 12 hours the next day if I get drunk. So your advice is good, I have gone out, but it didn’t jive with me.
Very popular in the Philippines. Goes great with Beer and they do a type of baste made with Coca-Cola and Sprite and chilies that’s just to die for. Best $100 I ever spent.
Drinker has had at least a million.
1:03:02
Mauler is a man after my own heart.
Growing up I too preferred the Black Smith over Lady J.
She is hotter too
Honestly thought heath ledger was going to realise she was better after the other one became so demanding
The chemistry in this movie is insane. The actors are just a group of bros, the lady included. I seriously consider it one of my favorite movies because of how accidentally awesome it is.
It's actually refreshing to see you guys reacting to good films. It still feels surreal to me that this movie about jousting which has Queen and David Bowie in the soundtrack is actually one of the more historically accurate movies lol.
I mean, a soundtrack is just a soundtrack. It'd be like saying it's strange the Lion King had Elton John's music in it just because they're animals and, therefore, can not actually preform musical numbers in a human language.
It's just a shame that they talk over so many good parts and complaining miss out on good stuff.
It sucks that they don’t understand why they chose modern songs like that for the film and it’s for the accuracy. They wanted the audience to get the spirit of what the music would be like to the people there. If you played medieval music to a modern audience it would stand out incredibly as something you’re unfamiliar with but that’s not the vibe peasants and nobles attending these tourneys would have
@@AbysalssWell said.
They enjoyed Three Muskateers.
This was one of my favourite films as a kid!!!! "William!!!!!!"
Also "You have been weighed. You have been measured!"
Soo excited!!
The scene where Alan tudyk loses it whilst saying he’ll “fong you.. and there will be much.. pain..” is one of my favorite moments in all movies I’ve seen
Me and my dad quoted this movie all the time haha
He was always the best part of the movie, though to be fair the whole cast is great.
Tudyk is such a GREAT comedic actor
@@bZman agreed. Doom patrol season one is such a strange thing, but he is definitely the best villain of the series. That and his Joker in the animated Harley Quinn show is just fantastic. Really wish we would get him to play the role live action style.
@@bZman Tudyk is a national treasure. The entire "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!" monologue kills me every time. Much like the stegosaurus.
About the music, that was actually the exact point.
They picked these songs to give the audience the FEELING of what wouldve been the mood in the stadium.
They *_obviously_* didnt play Queen in the 1500s (or whenever this is supposed to take place)
But the feel and atmosphere in the arena would have been the same as IF they did play "We will rock you"
good music can make or break a movie (entertainment) in this 1 i say the music was good.
in modern horror movies im more scared by the sounds and music than whatever the fuk happens on screen
The taking care of business to a sword match is one of my all time favorite scenes in all medieval movies
i think the music actually kind of helps, considering the vibe the movie's going for, honestly. This isn't supposed to be a period drama, it's supposed to just be a fun sports movie that just so happens to be about jousting. The movie's clearly not taking itself too seriously, so even as a massive history nerd i'll happily give them suspension of belief.
Yeah that Editor's Note at 6:20 was some serious bs. I hope Shad and Sargon weren't memeing because it's a very good point.
Welp, it failed miserably cuz I hate that overplayed queen song
It took me way too long to realize that this is a 80's sports movie in the middle ages.
Fun fact. My dad walked out on this movie and demanded a refund because he thought it was going to be a historical movie.
When they started stomping to queen he got up and left.
Your dad sounds like he'd be fun at parties.
He missed out.
Sounds like something my dad would do, lol.
That's weird because iirc it was in the trailer and it was definitely marketed as having some comedy moments. Did he not see any trailers?
@@Genubath1 in his words he was fine with the soundtrack. It was the participation of the audience that made him go. "No this is not what I was promised'
1:26:00 count Adamar beat William in Williams' second tournament after 1 month of training, then while Adamar was at war, William won a bunch of tournaments in a row, gaining a ton of jousting experience. I am not saying Adamar was 100 % sure he would lose, but he was clearly not confident he would win. If Adamar was sure of victory, he wouldn't have bothered to follow William and would not have seen Williams dad.
There's also the scenes where Adamar and his friends analyze Williams jousting as fearless and how adamars cohort says "on a horse with a lance that man is unbeatable"
I never felt he followed him to find a weakness or way to beat him, more that he suspected something wasn't quite right with Sir Um and wanted to find another way to publicly embarass him.
“Stay Thy hand, fair knight!”
“Who says I’m fair?!”
Witty, but isn't it kind of a weird response? "Fair" in this context means pretty or good-looking no?
@@wangusbeef86 I'm just spewing here, but in the context of "Fair lady" I think that's true, but I hear people say "fair knight" and they arent referring to visual appearance, so maybe its just a honorific?
The greatest movie we never got.
SOMETHING IS ROTTEN IN THE STATE OF DENMARK
AND HAMLET IS TAKING OUT THE TRASH
@@wangusbeef86 semantics
I did not expect to agree with Shad the most, on this movie in particular lol. I honestly thought he would've found it way too anachronistic and non-realistic. I was very pleasantly surprised to find he completely gets this film, and knows what makes it so fun and how it approaches using the anochronisms as a way to link the modern audience to the scene more.
Mauler is rationalizing like a human, but Shad is explaining William's motivations like a hero.
Mauler is definitely maidenless.
@@The_child-catcher this
^.-.^ Aye, sadly methinks current day 'relationships" have absolutely destroyed the understanding of Courtship.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon so true and sad. Also, nice to see you here maestro
@@mr.m2914*Bows* ^.-.^
The greatest editing gag ever is when the guitar solo cuts out right when the horn player stops.
Yeaaah you can edit copium masks on them all you want guys, but in that last bit at the end Shad and Sargon are completely right.
William doesnt want a win by disqualification, he wants to BEAT him, definitively, it shows a clear difference in the characters of him and the badguy that William is willing to put his life on the line to prove he's worthy,
while the Badguy would rather cheat than to risk even the possibility of losing.
Seriously. He stops doing the event he's best in because he only values tournament champion, and then when he wins after Adhemar forfeits, he says "but I didn't beat Adhemar so it doesn't count."
These episodes have really shown me how media illiterate some of these guys are.
@@pulidoa1978They're in a big group riffing on it so I afford some mistakes. But they do get tangled in their own perspectives at times without considering alternatives. Their idea of William reporting Adamer to the authorities would work if William was the type to win at any cost, glory be dammed it's all about the W. But he's not and he's shown several times to make irrational decisions because he wants the honor, like him charging the Prince of Wales.
Cope.
Also the part where they were arguing with Shad and Sargon about traditional relationships, like I'm supposed to believe these unmarried chaps would know more than the two Fathers about old school relationships
Something I've noticed watching a few of these, Mauler and Rags typically disregard heroic motivation and "mythic" or legendary themes for stricter rationalism. Seeing Sargon and Shad argue for those more fanciful and classically romantic bits against the more cynical nature of Mauler and Rags points a bit to the age gap and generational differences in how those ideas are perceived.
Not really, it's just different personalities. I am of an age with the two and I am more poetically minded than them.
However, they were absolutely correct on many takes that this comment section seems to want to defend because they liked the movie. Rationality will win out in the end, that is always true, even in soaring epic tales you need to be coherent.
@@Arphemius William may have been irrational, but his character was absolutely consistent.
It is the same reason why Maximus didn't try to stop the fight at the end of Gladiator by yelling 'hey, he stabbed me before the fight!" To the crowd.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon Maximus had nothing to lose and was in a far lesser position. He had to try to get the emperor to fight so that he could kill him. A gladiator accusing the emperor of cheating would do nothing. William losing means that the woman he loves is married off and raped for the rest of her life. The stakes and circumstances are different.
As for consistency, he had already shown that he would risk losing a tournament and personal honor over losing her. The movie went out of its way to show that in a really annoying way.
However, all that being said, I can also see how he might choose to do what he did. Character motivation arguments are always spurious to me. People are inherently unpredictable, you never really know what they might do. The movie probably would have been better off just making the bad guy really good at what he does and not introduce the cheating aspect, so that the character is not put in that situation in the first place. But now that it has, how William acted in response really can't be considered much of a flaw, not in terms of it being a contradiction. It just makes him kind of egocentric and robs the final duel of the heroism element, as it now solely is about pride.
The music choice is purposefully done, and it's like Sargon was saying. The director said these tournies were the arena sports events of the day, and he wanted to convey that with the music. It is the same with the Bowie song at the dance. It's translated so that a modern audience gets the "vibe" (as the kids say), not necessarily the accuracy of it. It's a great choice and a strong creative decision.
I love how the two married men were defending the you must lose thing while the others just couldn't get it.
Ironic because all my sisters who happened to be married hated the villain in question
They said any woman who demands such things deserves to die alone and single.
Go figure
Can feel Mauler struggling with this movie coming off the screen in waves. Is okay, we all have our weaknesses.
I am surprised that they didn't understand the scene with the dance, where Count Adhemar calls out Ulrich to show some dance from Gelderland to embarrass him. Ulrich is obviously caught off-guard and since he only knows the dance he learned that day in the stables, he starts to demonstrate similar moves but clearly doesn't know what to do next. Jocelyn quickly understands the situation and saves him. When she steps in front of him and claps, it's cue for everyone that Ulrich's "demonstration" is over and they'll do the dance that everyone knows, which starts with this pose and clap and is the very dance Ulrich learned that day so even he knows what to do. I really like the scene because it shows how mean and petty Adhemar is, how out of his depth Ulrich can be in these situations and that Jocelyn is merciful.
It also demonstrates the power of David Bowie. His music makes people groove together even though they can't know the moves.
It's hard not to have a good time while watching this movie, it works similarly to the old Asterix & Obelix films, just a feeling of pure comfort.
I love A&O
@@jonbaxter2254 I've watched Asterix and Obelix films so many times that I still remember most of the dialogue in them by heart.
I'd never heard of those until the one Zlatan Ibrahimovic was in.
@@fastenedcarrot9570 Asterix and Obelix films were cult classics in my country for as long as I can remember, most people watched them tens if not hundreds of times.
Every once in a while im reminded mauler is a totally demoralized brit and rags cannot even comprehend of a not modern world dichotomy but the absolute failing to grasp that william is a man whose greatest desire is to be an honorable knight, so of course he loses for his ladies favor, of course he wants to win with martial might not by a technicality. Those are both things done for honor and a sense of romanticism.
I like them both but those flaws do keep showing up in this series they just do not fundementally understand people who dont care so much about their mortal lives as immortal values like honor, gallantry, and religion.
It’s not a surprise they’re both single in their 30s if they are so foreign to romanticism
Agreed, sadly. Love our boys, but they're missing the mark on thissun. ^.-.^
As it turned out, Joseline was patient zero for cluster B personality disorders,
What are you even talking about?
@@nananamamana3591 to put it in layman's terms: she has more red flags than a socialist rally.
@@nananamamana3591women 🥪
@@SatanLiterallyIndeed. ☕️Women.
She's mad that he called her a "silly little girl", her ego was bruised so she wants her petty revenge and humiliate him, proving she's just a silly little gurl.
I am with shad and sargon on this one William is not logical, he is heroic and romantic. it's inline with his character to be willing to die to prove he's better than evil man even at a disadvantage
Comparing the situation with lances
To someone cheating with a gun in a swordfight doesn't account for it being a tournament with judges.
The cheat, It's more subtle than that but ok, good meme.
Oddly Shad is correct, William was shown being reckless multiple times and he wanted to beat mister villain so badly at his own game, that he was willing to joust with his injury against the cheating bastard. It is all for the honor of the event as well as the revenge aspect, also there would be no climax at the end without it, justified in my eyes.
There’s the added pride in that he was literally just knighted as Sir William, and yes his hard headedness does not allow him to back down and tarnish that. He’s even willing to die now knowing he would die a knight. That’s honor there as well as pride.
I totally defend "We Will Rock You" in the beginning of this movie. It 100% sets the mood that the modern audience can instantly appreciate. I compare this to the Shrek films, full of anachronistic jokes or references. Those things are there for the audience's amusement in a movie that never claims to take itself too seriously as a historically accurate film. If it was put in the middle of Gladiator, The Northman or Lord of the Rings, then yes, it would be extremely jarring.
Agreed. It totally works.
They unfortunately miss it but Adamar’s harold learning from Jeff how to spice up his introductions is a precious little mini-arc to me. “My Lords, my Ladies… and- all you other people..!”
"Defender of his enormous manhood!"
Top 5 for me! Shad our hero, vindicating William!
Iv'e only ever seen the extended version, and the paul bettany speech is ingrained in my memory, I can't believe they cut it!
(ps. Iv'e done a horse mounted jousting experience with the company that does some of the HOTD jousting and horse stunts, and those lances will fuck you up even at half pace).
Look, I'm a girl and I hate the way Joseline's actions are pardoned as "girls will be girls". The things we do for love! No! It's not romantic to make your partner beat himself up half to death to prove his love for you. Normal people hate to watch a stranger get hurt, let alone someone you love.
based, yeap its nothing but a humiliation ritual
Are you a girl from the 14th century? Oh you are! never mind then.
Yes but you aren't a noblewoman from medieval Europe. It's very much not the same as being a woman today.
@@The1337guy1 wtf ?
@@BumfluffAddlepate I never said it doesn't happen. I said it's a crappy thing to do. Men and women do stuff like this, telling their partners that they have to do something to prove their love. It's toxic and dumb
1:33:20 "I wouldn't be against, uh... maybe trimming scenes - a lot of them - and then... we end up with just a shorter run time. I dunno." -Mauler, the "Longman"
Irony.
It feels like Mauler and Rags would just tell Rocky Balboa to stay down and go home.
Yes, its kinda sad.
Too logic brained the both of them, bless their hearts
Right? Lol. William doesn't want to win on a technicality. He wants to beat him!
I mean if Apollo Creed, or Clubber Lang had bricks or blades in their gloves, than maybe Rocky should call it a day.
@Opener73 Homie was stabbed. Hahaha
15:50 I dunno Carl, "your entrails will become your extrails" is pretty good wordsmithery, to be honest.
Animating Shad to throw Book of Mormons at people killed me
‘All feet lead to Home.” -Willbo’s Daddins.
^.-.^ A definite classic. Absolutely love this film.
‘I will FONG you!”
"Your entrails will become your extrails" is one of the greatest threats I've ever heard.
@@DiZtheJedi ^.-.^ Absolutely!
“Lose to prove your love to me.” Is also a Lancelot thing
Ragz and Mauler are 1000% wrong about the ending stakes of the film. It would be a massive let down if William won for tattling on Adamar. It's so much more satisfying to see the hero win, even when the villain is cheating to get a one-up on them.
And it's for that shallow reason that you fail to understand the great storytelling here. The film is even aware that her beauty isn't spectacular (the bit from Kate where she calls out Jocelyn's breasts for not being that impressive); however, in the very poetry scene wherein much of the "love story" is discussed, it's not purely about beauty. William and Jocelyn are both outsiders in many ways: William a peasant masquerading as a noble, and Jocelyn would be considered very shrewish and a black sheep for how she ridicules the church openly. More importantly, the film is trying to capture medieval romanticism wherein people sacrifice, rise above themselves, and perform in a way that considered honorable and worth embodying. This isn't GoT where sex and physical attraction is the root of every encounter, character motivation, or plot point.
You raise some good points. Where I think the EFAP crew has a solid argument is that the ending might be improved if the villain wasn't cheating, if his cheating wasn't obvious, and if William was shown to be slightly more reckless or egotistical earlier in the film. That all said, you could say the ending has problems and the movie has a few issues throughout but it's still a great, simple comedy.
If no one else is going to, I'll give Rags (and the editor) props for "they should write that on a wall somewhere".
Mene, mene, tekel upharsin...
William choosing to sacrifice is to prove to her that he will back up his words and prove that he is serious since it is easy to just say something. Once she has seen that she rescinds it and tells him to win.
Yeah, from Jocelyn's point of view William is just another thirsty knight trying to seduce her, so her ultimatum makes sense. Once she realizes William has genuine feelings for her she treats him well for the rest of the movie.
Quote of the stream: "Back when men were men, and chickens were men also." - Critical Drinker
PMSL
Shad and sargon are absolutely correct, William would absolutely keep going cause he's utterly determined to stick it to adamar
Especially since Adamar had been a massive dick to him, was going to take Jocelyn, and also as stated earlier he wouldn't REALLY be champion until he beat Adamar who was the only person he had lost to
Mauler and Rags have shown a consistent inability to escape the modern safety culture mindset. The other core values, liberty, purity, authority, loyalty, and fairness are all behind saftey/equality/care/harm(all the same core heidt moral axum) for them
@@janehrahan5116
You are suffering from internet brainrot. Go outside more. Jesus Christ.
@@eidolon1426?? What’s the point of this reply? You’re just insulting this dude for no reason?
I get it’s the internet but you literally provide no substance. Just keep quiet will you.
@@benboothroyd1523He's in a parasocial relationship and you insulted his boyfriends.
35:24
To add to Rags’ question and Shad’s question, the fin coming from the Sword-Breaker pauldron is specifically referred to as a haute-piece.
A cursed reality where Orlando bloom starts as the joker after he takes this role instead of Heath Ledger
Sargon's nightmare world where Orlando Bloom assimilates every actor on the planet.
*Text to speech voice* "...Why So Serious..."
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Everywhere I look, I see Orlando Bloom.
@@lordofthepizzapie9319
💀
@@NicTheGreek1979
Wheeeeeze
Mauler and Rags are wrong at the end. Makes sense for William to go that far. The guy is super into honor and virtue. He wants to beat Count Adamar by himself, not by cheating disqualification.
I’m on Shad and Sargon’s side about the music.
the production quality of this efap war arc is amazing with the little animations and details..
You have been weighed, you have been measured, you have been found lacking
Rags: woah, they should write that on a wall
Cultured Rags is best Rags
This used to be one of my favourite movies when I was a kid... I still enjoy watching it from time to time, and even though I tend to dislike comedies or romantic comedies more specifically, this movie still holds up decently well.
Also, I'm not sure how that's possible but A Knight's Tale somehow managed to depict its medieval elements more realistically than some of the modern, big budget productions, even though it doesn't take itself seriously at all.
Overall a very enjoyable piece of film.
I love when Sargon is on EFAP
I find myself siding with Shad. While there is definitely a case to be made for exposing the cheating, I don’t think that is how a man like William would want to complete the goal which he pursued with single-mindedness. William is a risk taker in pursuit of his aims. Even Adamar comments in the film that he does not avert his gaze while jousting as other nights do which is risky, but helps him keep his eyes on his target. Tons of other examples as well. That being said, totally understand where mauler and rags are coming from
Alas, this is in the EFAP war movies arc, but it is one of the best sports movies ever. Its just set in medival times.
While I'm not a fan of the character of Jocelyn overall, the "lose to prove you love me" is perfect for the movie. The simp/thot comparison doesn't work here because of motivations. Simps/Thots are looked down on because it is a largely one sided parasitic relationship where the unattainable goal is used to milk stupid men of their money for little to nothing in return. Jocelyn is clearly not entertaining throngs of men with a scam and William is forced to act against his own self-interest in a way that doesn't actually benefit anybody to prove a point. Actually... if there is a thot in this movie, it's William while the simps are his retinue. They largely put their money and well-being at risk for William's personal goal while he doesn't think about them at all (excepting Jeff's gambling debt). Any time the good of the group comes into question, William will often take the selfish path (like with losing the jousts or giving up swordfighting).
Notice how it's the two married men (the two who know how women work) that support it.
Sir William, I deem thee a THOT! *throws gauntlet*
@@Neon-Covenanter
In fairness Rag's has the big gay, so him not understanding how femoids function is not surprising, and Mauler is too long for any woman to handle, so that explains his own ignorance.
Also, at that part in the film Jocelyn does not know who William is and thinks he is just another thirsty knight trying to seduce her. Which he kind of is... love at first sight is just lust afterall. So what's wrong with Jocelyn giving William an ultimatum before she is willing to pay attention to him? He doesn't have to do it and she doesn't lead him on for the rest of the movie. She actually seems to care more about William than he does about her.
Oh well. At least Shad and Sargon defended her a little.
Indeed. Love our lads, but they missed the mark on that. ^.-.^ oh well.
Don't think Mauler understood the final contest.
I dont think anyone here does either lol he LOST the first two rounds. If he was so badass the cheat wouldnt have worked. His ego should be crushed, and he should be scared that he cant win at that point. Him continuing the contest makes him look like a retard with no self preservation.
"I am the one who Phongs!" - Sir Schlurpo
Chaucer owes HOW MANY schlurpos?!
Master piece?¨
no...
But its an amaing movie
Alan Tudyk and Paul Bettany absolutely *_murder_* thet performances.
"The music is wrong!"
Most orchestra instruments didn't exist then, either... but you love the soundtracks with them in EVERY other historical film.
Part of the hesitation is that the music is immediately shown to be "diagetic" as the audience is dancing and singing along with it.
I'm fairly sure that was intended by the director to show how fun the music was at that time, and how 'new' it was because it actually was a time of musical advancement/experimentation.
Had to stop this video almost right away to watch the movie. It just looked too good not to experience firsthand, and damn, it's one of my favorites now too. It's essentially a total opposite of the garbage we get today where the superficial aspects are left somewhat intact while the core of a character or an entire setting is warped beyond recognition. Here, the writers take ample liberties with the former but actually respect the latter.
That's why I'm with Shad and Sargon. Under all the jokes and anachronisms, this is still a medieval romance ballad about staying true to your ideals. William gave Adhemar his word, as a knight, that he would unhorse him next time they met. It would've made no more sense for him to win by citing rules than for Gawain to stand the Green Knight up or for Lancelot to find a less dangerous husband to cuck. It would be the rational thing to do, yes, but that's just not who they are.
A bit of trivia: This movie's home release was delayed because it was to be released right after September 11th, 2001. It was delayed because the home version had the trailer for Spider-man on it. That trailer was pretty cool, but it was removed from all platforms and caused the delay of this movie's release because it featured Spider-man webbing a helicopter in mid air right between the twin towers. The home release videos were already in hand for purchase and rent ahead of release. All videos were to be returned to the distributor and destroyed and a new version, without the Spider-man trailer, was quickly redistributed.
I have the recalled version.
Aye, I remember that trailer.
History is a funny thing
I find it terrible that they decided to do that with the Spider-Man movie. It is even worse that they didnt rebuild the towers as a sign of spitting in the face of the evil that destroyed them and so many lives.
@@thepsychomagus I don't really have a strong opinion but... like heads, two towers are better than one.
If Rags an Mauler would have a point here in "Brain over believing what is the right thing to do (honor)"...literally not a single young man would have left the landing crafts on D-Day.
They were called the greatest generation for a reason guys.
Underrated statement.
Well said ^.-.^
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid. The intro is iconic
I first remember Paul Bettany in Master&Commander.
Such an epic movie.
I believe the first movie I saw him in was A Beautiful Mind and it also starred Russell Crowe. It is one of my all time favorite movies as well.
Master and Commander is a Masterpiece film. ^.-.^
LOL you can tell who the married men on the panel are.
Not hating, btw. Just thought it was really funny to hear the lads bicker over the whole courtship subplot. It's a hot topic these days, and I enjoyed the way it weaved into their coverage.
My heart says Shad and Sargon have the right of it. If the woman is chaste AND beautiful AND intelligent? She can demand A LOT from her suitors, and rightfully so. But my head says that if a chick asks you to wound your career and public image - and maybe even your literal body - she ain't worth it. No chick is.
And MauLer raises a really good point, in that William's stunt could cost others their livelihood. It's not just his reputation and own life he's risking - its those of his friends. And that's fucked up. XD
Also I loved the pure silence from the panel during William's reuniting with his father. That really is still a terrific scene. Not just because of its kickass performances from both actors, but because it really ties the movie together, past, present and future. It brings together all of William's development to a single point, and sets up his greatest challenge in the scenes to come. So narratively this scene just SLAPS.
AND, as for the ending, I agree that Ademar's plan doesn't really make sense. You could've removed that part of this sequence, and the entire thing would still function. Especially when they find a way to get William to joust WITHOUT armor. That'd be insane enough against blunted lances. Why do they also need to be SECRETLY POINTY? Definitely an overstep, writing-wise.
Anyway, A Knight's Tale has always been one of my favorites. Back when Hollywood movies still had that magic.
The thing is William is already risking injury and death in jousting. The thing Jostlyn is making him prove is that he isn't just jousting for his own glory and Ego. Every day She has suitors saying 'I will win this tournament for you." When they are already intent on winning anyway.
What she wanted was to test whether he actually does love her or if he is simply just another horny lad trying to impress her.
Now, I will say, I likely would have been fully convinced after the first few unopposed jousts, but still..
The extended cut has so many great scenes too. Less needed to be cut, not more. Lol
The dancing scene actually has a deleted scene where Adamar freaks out because his plan to make Ulrich look stupid fell on its face. He mentions he's tone deaf and cant dance, sing, or play instruments.
Noone mentions that the female Blacksmith is Lydia from Breaking Bad? :.(
My God, she aged strangely... I never would have thought that the hottie blacksmith was her. Are we sure Walt was the one on chemo and not her?
@@stevealford230 idk googling her not only was she an amazing looker (as showcased here ofc) but she has aged quite well, BB seems to have done a nice job making her up to match the insane and paranoid vibe of the character
@@mordirit8727 I'm not saying she was ugly... just that she didn't look familiar to me and certainly not like the gorgeous and well-built lady blacksmith. Maybe her acting (the character) or the way she was filmed or the way the wardrobe fit her made her unattractive to me... but I never connected that face or body to the one in this movie.
@@stevealford230it is def the haircut and the wardrobe bc Lydia is all business and incredibly uptight. Kate in this film is way more relaxed and laid back and has long beautiful hair and clothes that hug her figure more
@@stevealford230 oy mate you may not have been saying that but I was 100% saying Lydia was an ugly bitch lol Just good for the actress that it was basically all makeup and acting
For the type of film this is, the scene where William reunites with his Father is weirdly emotional, and very well preformed! Always got me in the feels when i was a kid!
Got me in the feels as a kid. Destroys me now I am a dad
Wow thanks for waiting like a quarter of a year to review this movie EFAP. Fuck I have DREAMED of you guys doing a watchthrough of this even before the war arc. This is my favorite movie ever. Since I was a kid.
As soon as I saw this I couldn’t wait 😊
Such a fun film
The point of the "Proving love" is that he's WILLING to loose for her. But she would never demand he ACTUALLY loose for her, because that would be too much for him to bear
In the end she still loved him regardless of his status or position in life. That was her sacrifice. Commitment.
How do you know someone's willing to do something until they actually do? That said no jousting round is 14 runs long, 3 max, so it should have just been 3, more than that was excessive. After that he would have lost for her.
lose*
I really loved this movie growing up. Hopefully its as good as I remember.
Edit: It was. Also at 17:20 to 17:30 that musical transition from the upbeat sorta festive tone to a more gothic religious one as they entered the cathedral was great. Love little details like that.
This is my favorite video in the war arc. The editing just makes it even better.
So pumped for this one, this is one of my favorite movies
*Favourite
@@watch-Dominion-2018 Uh... "favorite" is the American spelling, "favourite" is Canadian/British.
@@watch-Dominion-2018 Give the French back their worthless 'u's. This is why American english is superior.
I got this on DVD as a birthday present when I turned ten. I expected a cheesy knights and swords movie. Within the first ten minutes I was pleasently surprised. Still love this movie.
I had the exact same experience with Kung Fu Hustle - thought it was going to be utter crap like Kung Pow and holy shit was I wrong!
Excited for this. One of my favorite films growing up.
It’s kinda annoying how they misses the reasoning for so many important elements of the film, like the reason they used modern music and had crowds singing it was they wanted to capture how it felt to them for the audience. The songs crowds woulda been singing would be ones they’d all come to be familiar with hearing that were written with the purpose to be sung by regular people after hearing it once or twice in large groups. To them hearing those songs would be like hearing contemporary hits are to us.
Also the reason he keeps the joust going is because he wants to win regardless of his opponent cheating he is trying to rise above that challenge because that’s a big part of medieval romanticism.
Weird that Mauler and Rags were the ones shitting on the concept of honor
classic liberal care harm L tbh.
Atheists rarely understand the metaphysical world
Not exposing cheating for the sake of ego is shitting on the concept of honor.
@@Arphemius
No it is not. Beating your opponent in spite of his cheating is the ultimate victory.
Settle it as a man, not go crying to mommy.
Honor is yours twice fold, and shows that true honor wins out.
@@BogaSlawa Ego and honor are two different concepts. Certainly the more handicaps you put on yourself, the more skill you need to have, that much is logical. However, honor is involved with virtue and duty. Exposing him as a dishonorable cheater is more important than winning, because it sets an example. As a man, not a child, swallow your pride and make him an example. Then you can request to fight him and win.
At the beginning you guys missed the trumpeter played the guitar solo of we will rock you through the trumpet lololl
Lolol
I’m so excited for this!!! Everyone loves a Knight’s Tale. It’s meant to be ridiculous but a good story. And I feel the gang will respect it as soon as Shad realizes the didn’t give a f*ck about historical accuracy.
I think Mauler and Rags found the key point that convinced a lot of men to simp for a woman they like, while people can find it charming and romantic. In practice, it's having the man willingly sacrifice themselves for what they desire instead of thinking rationally what it would mean
It's so strange to see Mauler & Rags (& editor) dismiss the music/language argument when it's just objectively correct. It really feels like "I didn't like the music choice so it can't be good." Mauler even says "oh but you could justify so many other things with that argument." Like _what?_ Genuinely what? Historical movies, even good ones, are already full to bursting with anachronisms, why complain that one of them is actually well-explained and justified (and played for laughs) for once?
Yeah, they were wrong this episode. Always good to see a healthy back and forth, though I'm sad they didn't seem to understand Sargon and Shad's arguments.
6:20 to see the editor coping and seething
And again at 1:01:00
There was a time between 1999 and 2008 when Heath Ledger was the biggest heart throbe in Hollywood. Leonardo Dicaprio was stuck as the Titanic pretty-boy, even with all the help from Scorsese, but Heath meanwhile was heralded up with Day Lewis as the great method actors while also doing blockbusters and rom-coms. And even before being immortalized by the Dark Knight he was ordained alongside with James Dean as the greatest 20-something actor in film taken too soon from us.
WHY IS NO ONE SAYING LYDIA, OH LYDIA!!! The actress that plays the cute blacksmith is Lydia in Breaking Bad, probably just didn't scroll far enough. Took me by surprise that it wasn't mentioned.
I love Mauler, but his takes on this movie were painful. You could feel him bouncing off throughout the video, felt like he couldn’t take it as a non-historical or serious movie
Every scene with William's father is so damn touching. The actor did a phenomenal job with the few lines he had.
I love this movie, I have seen this movie countless times by now. Good vibes all around.
It makes complete sense for William to joust without armour because they already established that he favours hitting the target over his own safety (ie. Not lowering his head to protect his eyes)
Genuinely funny that Mauler and Rags apparently wanted the movie to end like the SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, rather than a heroic tale of honor and triumph
Imagine William going, “Guys! G-Guys! The bad guy cheated! I have triumphed over the villain in the most unsatisfying way imaginable, like a child tattling on a bully in school!”
Like, c’mon. It’s not inconsistent with the character, nor does it not make sense for the overall tone and themes. Heroism isn’t always pragmatic; it can be about proving a point
Probably because the Spongebob movie ending is better
I agree that they were wrong about william but I think they are right that it was boring that adhemar cheated and that it would have been better if he resorted to it after when he was about to lose or if Adhemar just didn't cheat at all because he would want to prove to himself that he is geniunely better then william so why cheat?
@@moe5020pretty much anything *except* the idea of him cheating and William winning by tattling would work for me. Just don’t fly in the face of basic romanticized heroism, since that’s the entire point of the film, and you’re all good
@Opener73 the prison scene showed that adhemar was kind of ashamed of that though and it was more to get him away from jocelyn then to avoid jousting with him. Also the emperor in gladiator couldn't have won without cheating adhemar has already beat william and is undefeated so why would he have this loser mentality where he feels he needs to cheat?
@@moe5020 Same reason why Commodus stabbed Maximus before entering the Colosseum at the end of Gladiator.. Because he feared he would Lose.
1:28:50 Shad and Sargon are right it's inline, he values beating the witch king of Agamar more than his own life.
Really enjoyed this movie growing up and still do
Lovely stuff. Great panel for this.
Team Shad and Sargon all the way on this one haha
"If you love me, you'll lose"
Nope. Be a chad. Win and she'll still love you.
Love your editor. Please keep up the great work. It adds personality and excitement to the commentary!❤