Yeah, i used to love the idea of people working from home, but you can tell when our scheduler has been working from home getting drunk asf @@maakonis11
While this is all true, I have to point out that the whole swim speed infusion system itself was added years ago. The new patch just added an ability to upgrade 5 levels at a time (before you had to go 1 at a time), but it still works the same as agony infusions, meaning you always upgrade 2 to 1 to get a higher bonus, which is where the exponential scaling comes from. The only real difference is that +1 agony infusions are basically free on TP, but still nobody bothered to craft +19 agony infusion. The cost is just too absurd (~4k gold in reagents alone) for what it gets you.
Well I don't think anet has a say in it sadly. If NCSoft cuts the funds and just invests in gw3 this gem of a game will die no matter what anet planned
Very informative, have you considered a series of shorts like this, going in depth about the various GW2 grinds? Stat infusions, AR, Legendary armours ETC... ^_^ I'd watch, it helps having those numbers, puts things into perspective and helps people prepare(Mentally mostly) ;3
whoever approved the in-game wording of the new ' _account_ swim speed infusion' some overworked poor dev came up with has earned themselves a hearty collective slap from the community. there has been some logic behind the wording _account-wide_ since release of GW2 and these new swim-speed infusions are breaking this logic, confusing us all.
Honestly, I still don't understand how this system work. You can get the account bonus by buying the infusion upgrades (+15, +20, +25, +30) but you need the "account infusion" slotted to actually get the benefit?
This video hinges on the assumption that Anet want the +30 swim speed infusion to be obtainable, which there's no reason to assume. Agony infusions go up to +30 as well, at a nice round 8 million gold each. Nobody has any of those either, and they've been in the game way longer
Yeah, that's a very fair point. There's so few items that are effectively unobtainable that they feel like the odd ones out. Seeing it at the vendor, made me indeed assume that they want us to (eventually) obtain one. A lot of people have proffered that this might indeed not be the case.
@@elocfreidon Cap on the Agony resist yes, but not on the bonus stats you can get with the masteries, so it would be an interesting long term achievement (especially for those who already have Fractal God) to be "full + 30" on your Fractals character(s) to see how crazy your stats could get. But sadly they made the system for Vampires and other immortal beings only, and left us normal Humans in the dust 😭.
Wait, A-Net pushed out a system without actually testing it? Color me surprised. If anything I'm surprised the Krait didn't get 10 million HP each, since you know "difficulty".
Just throwing out here that agony infusions exist and if you cant comprehend those swim infusion numbers, dont check the numbers for a +30 agony infusion (not the time, but the gold).
Honestly I think the design wasn't meant to be reached. There is absolutely no need for even a +20, let alone a +30, just because they allowed for it to be created doesn't mean they had any intention of normal people actually achieving it... similar to how you only need +9s to do all fractals, but you are able to keep going higher
At least they made the aquabreather feasible to get, but i took one look at the account bound swim speed infusions, and i was like nope, this seems like a massive gold sink.
does account swim speed even work? I have bought an account upgrade to +20, but my account infusions still say only +15. so I'm pretty sure these account upgrades don't work at all, and one of my friends has bought the account upgrade for +25. and his infusions also still say +15.. so it doesn't work at all..
It says +account bonus. It’s so they don’t have to program it to change with each up grade. I tested it with my guildmates and it does work it just uses short hand in the description.
I once heard an estimate for the +30 at ~480,000 gold. Not sure about the accuracy but for comparison: my headstart, full legendary, 50,000AP account is worth ~475,000g. Almost there :')
I'd have to run the estimated cost, but knowing that the vendor upgrade alone is already 23k in fixed fees, a humongous total cost wouldn't surprise me. It'd be a great way to double your account value without tangible benefit, though :p
Does the swim-speed infusion actually offer good benefit for the cost? When they came out I was asking a content creator about them and he said that he can't see the infusions ever giving the same value as the ability to ride skimmer underwater.
I think it's rather niche. The only real application could maybe be the underwater fractal, which isn't even ran daily. I also don't see the price/value go up to 25 or 30 even. A +20 seems to strike a good balance between both, anything above is a tad too expensive for my tastes.
bro, I did the math on this years ago when they first introduced the idiotic swim infusions. it's literally impossible to max them out unless you do it over multiple generations of offspring. or cheat.
anet: if its impossible to get, people will not want it and forget about it people: ........ also, in the 10 years they did not even think of making a leggy rebreather, so yea....if you had a leggy rebreather you can just swop out that +30 without having to make more
The concept does seem helpful for simplifying infusions. But also the numbers are ridiculously large. I had enough saved i was able to consolidate to get the +20 upgrade and 2 +20s saved in the bank. But 30 more +20s to upgrade again is ridiculous. The 10 purchasable keys per week helps, but still. I do wonder if ANet specifically wants to keep the swim speed bonus limited. Rather than poor math.
@@phandrel The cost of +30 was already in place, this system just used that existing +30. I don't think Anet seriously expected any one person to farm it, as swim-speed is the epitome of a luxury bonus (it doesn't matter 99.9% of the time). I think the whole thing is a great system for allowing newer, less wealthy accounts to sell a meaningless upgrade to older, wealthier accounts who actually care about rare "prestige" items. If we assume there are 100,000 active accounts (VERY conservative) - if each of those accounts just opened 10 chests each, then they would produce over 3.5 Million +10 infusions. That's enough for ~3.4 +30 Infusions. Let the rich buy these mostly useless things from the poor. If a similar system is implemented for Fractals / AR I think it will work much better, because you never need to go above +9 (= 256*+1's) and +1's are very cheap / plentiful. You only need ~4 thousand of +1AR vs ~1 million +10Swim.
@@graven2002I agree, there would be an upper limit either way so having it go up exponentially is fine. They could have implemented it better but for such a simple feature this is more than enough, now we just need a legendary aqua breather and it would be complete.
Demand spiked considerably for a while indeed, although it seems to have stabilized for now. Very plausible option as well, as they have indeed made a lot of market moving changes since SotO (Ectos being 15s to close to 40s now, etc).
Of course that design is deliberate to "nudge" players into spending real money to convert to gold. No one in their right mind will try and craft that shit.
Yeah, this has to be one of the unluckiest wordings they could've chosen... The surprise was complete for me once I realized I have 2 ascended aquabreathers on my engi and couldn't even swap them there.
Well, this is the downside of the way GW2 is designed. In other MMO's they throw better and better gear at you, and then make it obsolete to make you continue grinding. Anet har replaced that with a much longer, almost infinite, grind where gear is never made obsolete. They still need someway to make sure you keep playing their game for many years.
the only real solution is to change formula for upgrades so it doesnt follow exponential growth of 2^x, but something less rapidly growing. prices changing x32 times from 20 to 25 and another x32 times from 25 to 30 never gonna work out, regardless of base price (so +10s in this case) but i highly doubt they will ever do that, so r.i.p 30% dream
@@phandrel cool thing you forgot to mention is the exo breather. I was use to get the karma green breather for my alts, but now they'll all get that one. 😀
I thought about getting the swim speed infusion upgrades during the event, but considering that you need the basic upgrade before the account wide one takes effect and it is for underwater, which like 95% of the game doesn't touch, I just played the event when it was active, slapped the free +15% swim speed infusion from it on my main fractal character, and declined to pursue it any further. In 340 years, perhaps my many times great grand niece/nephew/kids will be able to have full swim speed in a game that launched in 2012 if we pass down the account through the ages and assuming Anet's servers stand the incredible test of time. j/k. Whoever made and approved of this failed elementary school math. IMO, infusions need a total overhaul and it has never been more apparent than now when people are finishing up their legendary armor crafting. Should be account wide agony resistance like how the Fractal God achievement grants account wide +25 agony resistance, and allow any of their cosmetic effects to be equippable from the wardrobe.
I really feel like the original intent was good, but the execution is lackluster, Unless, as suggested by others, ANet doesn't really want anyone unlocking +30s and this is an artificial block.
why would you need such an infusion? I mean sure it can give you +25% movement speed, but you can get it via signets and relics. then there is skimmer and ofc you hardly swim.
No real reason, to be honest. But at the same time, I would've guessed that whatever is being put in the game would be obtainable. Even if only by .1% of all players.
@@phandrel I actually heard that agony infusions don't have an upper limit. I don't really like the exponential growth thing. in the end you just use as many as you need to keep surviving and don't invest more since you'd lose out on gold otherwise. fidning the sweetspot and eventually you just buy more because nowhere else gold to spend.
At this point, it'd make you have one of the most unique accounts in the whole game if you owned a +30. But yeah, 25 is a long term goal I could see myself going for, but nothing past that. Initially, I'll stick to the +20.
Hot take: im a fan of this. great goldsink for the .1% of the players. it makes zero effect on 99.9% of the playerbase as it's so niche that no ones missing out on anything. just a super endgame min-max thing for ppl to utilize. i will say though, having more use for it would be cool, but would make this massive goldsink more expensive and more needed. as of now, anything over +15 is mostly wasted because speed caps and underwater skimmer
Honestly they don't play their own game. Some balance decisions are very clear on this. So the infusion thing is more a feature for them than a n error.
Whoever came up with this and the legendary relic recipe needs to have their heads examined. How this kind of thing can be considered "fun" is beyond me. I am SO GLAD I got the free legendary relic because that recipe is beyond ridiculous.
Didn’t get the legendary relics. And I don’t see myself owning it anytime soon, just wtf is that. Sadly there will not be enough people mad about that to cause an outrage
Your initial calculation only uses those swimming-speed infusions that you get yourself. Obviously, to make it useful for everybody, they need to be able to sell them via the TP because most players will not care about this. And of course, there are 48K infusions on the TP now but it was 29K a couple of months ago. And most people don't care for underwater content so it's a really niche thing for which maxing out takes a lot. People aren't going to flock to this en masse and as such Anet needed to make sure that the market for swim-speed infusions is healthy, meaning that they want people to buy them from the TP alongside the ones they get themselves. I think long-term goals are a good thing. Now this is a very long-term goal but because it's something niche, they picked the right thing for it to be very long-term imo. Why make it more accessible if probably more than 90% of players don't really care or know about this?
Very fair point. I do think overall less of these are being farmed than one would assume, even though it's one of the better solo gph activities. Either from people not knowing, or simply not wanting to go through the pain.
So Phan... this isn't "new" these were the numbers BEFORE the update that added Account Bound infusions as well. I stumbled across and did all this math several MONTHS ago and came to the conclusion that if a +30 existed it would be the most expensive single item in the game it just wasn't widely know because frankly, nobody cared
The wild part is that bag slot expansions cost less than 200 gold, so the 32 aren't even that worth. You might just as well unlock all bag slots and slap +20s in them.
When I realized how expensive these are I immediately came to the conclusion this is nothing more than a gold sink for autistic numba go up gamers or ultra giga-whales who have probably already purchased everything else they could.
I think people look at this wrong. Instead of having a max cap they have a sort of soft cap where it can go up practically infinitely up until +30 where it is near unobtainable, but you by no means need this. They could have capped it at +25 but what would change? Even if they made +30 easier it wouldn't change gameplay and only limit the economy of the infusion. Agony works in the exact same way with no one using a +30 despite it being more impactful and obtainable. People just cant handle the shiny thing being out of reach even if its better for the game.
That's a fair point. Technically max scaling/out of reach rewards are indeed far and few between in GW2, with AR being such an example as well. In that light it does indeed make sense to have the price/time at these levels.
I have been through this nonsense before in LOTRO. Why do MMO’s get more insane and un-fun over time? I have twenty six characters - I am never doing this. I won’t even grind infusions. ANet, just make your game entertaining and eff off with this grind BS.
Haven't played LOTRO since their launch. I didn't know they had systems like this, too. I gotta say, this really feels like them not really reviewing the system before it went live.
Yeah no thanks Anet, you already made me quit with the pointless grinds for Auroa an Vision, no chance I'm even gonna try this, my masks can stay without the infusions. I get they do grinds to keep people playing the game but I'm way to burnt out now for this Best of luck to the people still grinding hard, you will reach the end one day don't give up!!
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When Anet said they're sticking with GW2 for the long haul, they weren't kidding.
Our grandchildren's grandchildren will tell stories about how these infusions were implemented in our day and age.
ANet needs to introduce a 'no drugs at work' policy for staff and install a brain detector at the office to prevent things like this happening again.
I really hope we get a revision if this ever comes to AR. But yeah, feels like someone(s, probably multiple) dropped the ball here.
they work from home
@@maakonis11 Let's just leave it at "They're at home." Okay? lol
Yeah, i used to love the idea of people working from home, but you can tell when our scheduler has been working from home getting drunk asf @@maakonis11
While this is all true, I have to point out that the whole swim speed infusion system itself was added years ago. The new patch just added an ability to upgrade 5 levels at a time (before you had to go 1 at a time), but it still works the same as agony infusions, meaning you always upgrade 2 to 1 to get a higher bonus, which is where the exponential scaling comes from. The only real difference is that +1 agony infusions are basically free on TP, but still nobody bothered to craft +19 agony infusion. The cost is just too absurd (~4k gold in reagents alone) for what it gets you.
Major proof that we arent getting GW3 anytime soon
340 years to go!
Well I don't think anet has a say in it sadly. If NCSoft cuts the funds and just invests in gw3 this gem of a game will die no matter what anet planned
Did the dev who put this in game failed his/her primary math exams lol?
Yeah, this one doesn't really feel like they thought it through. Neither the one who came up with the system, nor the one who approved it.
The dev is a her.
Very informative, have you considered a series of shorts like this, going in depth about the various GW2 grinds? Stat infusions, AR, Legendary armours ETC... ^_^ I'd watch, it helps having those numbers, puts things into perspective and helps people prepare(Mentally mostly) ;3
I like that idea! I've been asked to do an AR video a few times now, I'll see what I can cook up :)
Thanks!
whoever approved the in-game wording of the new ' _account_ swim speed infusion' some overworked poor dev came up with has earned themselves a hearty collective slap from the community. there has been some logic behind the wording _account-wide_ since release of GW2 and these new swim-speed infusions are breaking this logic, confusing us all.
Honestly, I still don't understand how this system work. You can get the account bonus by buying the infusion upgrades (+15, +20, +25, +30) but you need the "account infusion" slotted to actually get the benefit?
@@Gwynplain yes, its just that the account infusions scale ig
This video hinges on the assumption that Anet want the +30 swim speed infusion to be obtainable, which there's no reason to assume. Agony infusions go up to +30 as well, at a nice round 8 million gold each. Nobody has any of those either, and they've been in the game way longer
Yeah, that's a very fair point. There's so few items that are effectively unobtainable that they feel like the odd ones out. Seeing it at the vendor, made me indeed assume that they want us to (eventually) obtain one. A lot of people have proffered that this might indeed not be the case.
The difference is that there is a hard cap on agony resistance effectiveness and you have 18 active slots to put in the work.
@@elocfreidon Cap on the Agony resist yes, but not on the bonus stats you can get with the masteries, so it would be an interesting long term achievement (especially for those who already have Fractal God) to be "full + 30" on your Fractals character(s) to see how crazy your stats could get. But sadly they made the system for Vampires and other immortal beings only, and left us normal Humans in the dust 😭.
Ah, exponential scaling, the greatest source of accidental comedy in online games.
Wait, A-Net pushed out a system without actually testing it? Color me surprised.
If anything I'm surprised the Krait didn't get 10 million HP each, since you know "difficulty".
Gotta account for that power creep.
account wide was defined by the legal team not the gaming team
Little did they know a mathematician would've solved more issues in this case.
Crowdstrike levels of pre-release testing
We're lucky that we're talking about swim infusions here, but holy moly Anet x)
As long as we get a review in case this ever comes to AR, then we're good :)
I’m quite happy with GW2 don’t want to start all over again with a new game . I have plenty to do with this one.
Just throwing out here that agony infusions exist and if you cant comprehend those swim infusion numbers,
dont check the numbers for a +30 agony infusion (not the time, but the gold).
Honestly I think the design wasn't meant to be reached. There is absolutely no need for even a +20, let alone a +30, just because they allowed for it to be created doesn't mean they had any intention of normal people actually achieving it... similar to how you only need +9s to do all fractals, but you are able to keep going higher
I mean, I made more money during this event then I made all year lol I loved this stuff
At least they made the aquabreather feasible to get, but i took one look at the account bound swim speed infusions, and i was like nope, this seems like a massive gold sink.
does account swim speed even work? I have bought an account upgrade to +20, but my account infusions still say only +15. so I'm pretty sure these account upgrades don't work at all, and one of my friends has bought the account upgrade for +25. and his infusions also still say +15.. so it doesn't work at all..
It says +account bonus. It’s so they don’t have to program it to change with each up grade. I tested it with my guildmates and it does work it just uses short hand in the description.
I think the text doesn't update but the value in the background does. The text is written poorly anyways so it's unsurprising.
I once heard an estimate for the +30 at ~480,000 gold. Not sure about the accuracy but for comparison: my headstart, full legendary, 50,000AP account is worth ~475,000g.
Almost there :')
I'd have to run the estimated cost, but knowing that the vendor upgrade alone is already 23k in fixed fees, a humongous total cost wouldn't surprise me.
It'd be a great way to double your account value without tangible benefit, though :p
Does the swim-speed infusion actually offer good benefit for the cost?
When they came out I was asking a content creator about them and he said that he can't see the infusions ever giving the same value as the ability to ride skimmer underwater.
I think it's rather niche. The only real application could maybe be the underwater fractal, which isn't even ran daily. I also don't see the price/value go up to 25 or 30 even. A +20 seems to strike a good balance between both, anything above is a tad too expensive for my tastes.
not really if you got the mount it's not even worth to get it to swimming infusion to 30.
bro, I did the math on this years ago when they first introduced the idiotic swim infusions. it's literally impossible to max them out unless you do it over multiple generations of offspring. or cheat.
anet: if its impossible to get, people will not want it and forget about it
people: ........
also, in the 10 years they did not even think of making a leggy rebreather, so yea....if you had a leggy rebreather you can just swop out that +30 without having to make more
The concept does seem helpful for simplifying infusions.
But also the numbers are ridiculously large.
I had enough saved i was able to consolidate to get the +20 upgrade and 2 +20s saved in the bank. But 30 more +20s to upgrade again is ridiculous. The 10 purchasable keys per week helps, but still.
I do wonder if ANet specifically wants to keep the swim speed bonus limited. Rather than poor math.
That's an interesting thought. Maybe removing the +30 from the game isn't really an option, this way, they make it inaccessible while leaving it in.
@@phandrel The cost of +30 was already in place, this system just used that existing +30. I don't think Anet seriously expected any one person to farm it, as swim-speed is the epitome of a luxury bonus (it doesn't matter 99.9% of the time). I think the whole thing is a great system for allowing newer, less wealthy accounts to sell a meaningless upgrade to older, wealthier accounts who actually care about rare "prestige" items.
If we assume there are 100,000 active accounts (VERY conservative) - if each of those accounts just opened 10 chests each, then they would produce over 3.5 Million +10 infusions. That's enough for ~3.4 +30 Infusions. Let the rich buy these mostly useless things from the poor.
If a similar system is implemented for Fractals / AR I think it will work much better, because you never need to go above +9 (= 256*+1's) and +1's are very cheap / plentiful. You only need ~4 thousand of +1AR vs ~1 million +10Swim.
@@graven2002I agree, there would be an upper limit either way so having it go up exponentially is fine. They could have implemented it better but for such a simple feature this is more than enough, now we just need a legendary aqua breather and it would be complete.
I feel like this change was more about revitalizing the swim speed market. Anet is always trying to get the player market bustling in new ways.
Demand spiked considerably for a while indeed, although it seems to have stabilized for now. Very plausible option as well, as they have indeed made a lot of market moving changes since SotO (Ectos being 15s to close to 40s now, etc).
Of course that design is deliberate to "nudge" players into spending real money to convert to gold. No one in their right mind will try and craft that shit.
I also didn’t get it… Why can’t we equip this goddam infusion the same way we equip legendaries?? Both are different type of “account-wide”??
Yeah, this has to be one of the unluckiest wordings they could've chosen...
The surprise was complete for me once I realized I have 2 ascended aquabreathers on my engi and couldn't even swap them there.
Well, this is the downside of the way GW2 is designed. In other MMO's they throw better and better gear at you, and then make it obsolete to make you continue grinding. Anet har replaced that with a much longer, almost infinite, grind where gear is never made obsolete. They still need someway to make sure you keep playing their game for many years.
Anet try not to be their own worst enemy challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
If there was much more underwater content... in places where it's impossible to use a skimmer... maybe... but still. 🤣
the only real solution is to change formula for upgrades so it doesnt follow exponential growth of 2^x, but something less rapidly growing.
prices changing x32 times from 20 to 25 and another x32 times from 25 to 30 never gonna work out, regardless of base price (so +10s in this case)
but i highly doubt they will ever do that, so r.i.p 30% dream
That'd be the best way to actually make these unobtainable, indeed. I feel like adding more supply would be a (rather bad) bandaid fix.
I managed to get a +20, but even +25 is out of reach for me
Nice! The +20 is what I'll end with as well. Getting 32 of those for the +25 doesn't feel worth it at the moment.
that's good enough. don't bother with getting more
@@phandrel cool thing you forgot to mention is the exo breather. I was use to get the karma green breather for my alts, but now they'll all get that one. 😀
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That's 0.9% of the way to making a +30.
Funny guy who swims fast.
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Stingray.
I thought about getting the swim speed infusion upgrades during the event, but considering that you need the basic upgrade before the account wide one takes effect and it is for underwater, which like 95% of the game doesn't touch, I just played the event when it was active, slapped the free +15% swim speed infusion from it on my main fractal character, and declined to pursue it any further.
In 340 years, perhaps my many times great grand niece/nephew/kids will be able to have full swim speed in a game that launched in 2012 if we pass down the account through the ages and assuming Anet's servers stand the incredible test of time. j/k. Whoever made and approved of this failed elementary school math.
IMO, infusions need a total overhaul and it has never been more apparent than now when people are finishing up their legendary armor crafting. Should be account wide agony resistance like how the Fractal God achievement grants account wide +25 agony resistance, and allow any of their cosmetic effects to be equippable from the wardrobe.
I really feel like the original intent was good, but the execution is lackluster, Unless, as suggested by others, ANet doesn't really want anyone unlocking +30s and this is an artificial block.
why would you need such an infusion? I mean sure it can give you +25% movement speed, but you can get it via signets and relics. then there is skimmer and ofc you hardly swim.
No real reason, to be honest. But at the same time, I would've guessed that whatever is being put in the game would be obtainable. Even if only by .1% of all players.
@@phandrel I actually heard that agony infusions don't have an upper limit. I don't really like the exponential growth thing. in the end you just use as many as you need to keep surviving and don't invest more since you'd lose out on gold otherwise. fidning the sweetspot and eventually you just buy more because nowhere else gold to spend.
Let’s hope these infusion will be inherited to guild war 46
Unless it's an exclusive title that you have to unlock within the next 3 years :p
I believe they wil add more ways to get swim infusions when next expac comes. Maybe they will add a Mastery to give more infusions per chest.
If that'd be the case, it would indeed solve a lot. I do hope we get something similar for AR, but with reviewed numbers, of course.
Well they could just cap them at 25 then problem solved. Having 30 available is a stretch goal for a crazy person, not the average player.
At this point, it'd make you have one of the most unique accounts in the whole game if you owned a +30. But yeah, 25 is a long term goal I could see myself going for, but nothing past that. Initially, I'll stick to the +20.
Hot take: im a fan of this. great goldsink for the .1% of the players. it makes zero effect on 99.9% of the playerbase as it's so niche that no ones missing out on anything. just a super endgame min-max thing for ppl to utilize. i will say though, having more use for it would be cool, but would make this massive goldsink more expensive and more needed. as of now, anything over +15 is mostly wasted because speed caps and underwater skimmer
Honestly they don't play their own game. Some balance decisions are very clear on this. So the infusion thing is more a feature for them than a n error.
You did a great job explaining a stunningly bad system.
Thanks!
I do wonder, what's the point of making it hyper-super-duper-ultra exclusive...
The dev who designed the system and balance doesn't understand what happens when you multiply any number to a power.
Whoever came up with this and the legendary relic recipe needs to have their heads examined. How this kind of thing can be considered "fun" is beyond me. I am SO GLAD I got the free legendary relic because that recipe is beyond ridiculous.
Didn’t get the legendary relics. And I don’t see myself owning it anytime soon, just wtf is that.
Sadly there will not be enough people mad about that to cause an outrage
lol a 300year grind
Your initial calculation only uses those swimming-speed infusions that you get yourself. Obviously, to make it useful for everybody, they need to be able to sell them via the TP because most players will not care about this. And of course, there are 48K infusions on the TP now but it was 29K a couple of months ago. And most people don't care for underwater content so it's a really niche thing for which maxing out takes a lot. People aren't going to flock to this en masse and as such Anet needed to make sure that the market for swim-speed infusions is healthy, meaning that they want people to buy them from the TP alongside the ones they get themselves. I think long-term goals are a good thing. Now this is a very long-term goal but because it's something niche, they picked the right thing for it to be very long-term imo. Why make it more accessible if probably more than 90% of players don't really care or know about this?
Very fair point. I do think overall less of these are being farmed than one would assume, even though it's one of the better solo gph activities. Either from people not knowing, or simply not wanting to go through the pain.
So Phan... this isn't "new" these were the numbers BEFORE the update that added Account Bound infusions as well.
I stumbled across and did all this math several MONTHS ago and came to the conclusion that if a +30 existed it would be the most expensive single item in the game
it just wasn't widely know because frankly, nobody cared
You're absolutely right. This more or less put a looking glass on the situation.
I don't mind farming something for few years like 2 maybe 3 but 339 is just way too much.
how about don't buy the swim-speed infusions? extremely niche use-case as you spend 99.9999% of your time on land anyway
This is so incredibly bad, that there's just no way this isn't phase one of something else to come.
There's just no way.
I really wouldn't mind the account-wide infusions for AR either, but there's indeed some work to be done.
i gave up and just stopped. broken system for it. i will wait till they screw up account unlock infusions for the rest of the armor
Well ITS cheaper to Upgrade to the old system.
nah these infusions aint worth it bro skimmers exist for a reason
i hope it stays like this... im makeing alot of gold on this :D
Diablo IV: First time failing at math?
just like the atrrocious way to craft 32 slot bag i am closer to legendary half armor gear to unlock compared to 32 slot bag
The wild part is that bag slot expansions cost less than 200 gold, so the 32 aren't even that worth.
You might just as well unlock all bag slots and slap +20s in them.
@@phandrel exactly but i want to have one char with 320 slots just so i can open items in 250 stacks :D haven't played the game in a while
When I realized how expensive these are I immediately came to the conclusion this is nothing more than a gold sink for autistic numba go up gamers or ultra giga-whales who have probably already purchased everything else they could.
I think people look at this wrong. Instead of having a max cap they have a sort of soft cap where it can go up practically infinitely up until +30 where it is near unobtainable, but you by no means need this. They could have capped it at +25 but what would change? Even if they made +30 easier it wouldn't change gameplay and only limit the economy of the infusion. Agony works in the exact same way with no one using a +30 despite it being more impactful and obtainable. People just cant handle the shiny thing being out of reach even if its better for the game.
That's a fair point. Technically max scaling/out of reach rewards are indeed far and few between in GW2, with AR being such an example as well. In that light it does indeed make sense to have the price/time at these levels.
Then its good 95% of the content are on land so you dont to waste time farming it.
I have been through this nonsense before in LOTRO.
Why do MMO’s get more insane and un-fun over time?
I have twenty six characters - I am never doing this. I won’t even grind infusions.
ANet, just make your game entertaining and eff off with this grind BS.
Haven't played LOTRO since their launch. I didn't know they had systems like this, too. I gotta say, this really feels like them not really reviewing the system before it went live.
Also, the teleportation fee shouldn't be that low if you want to tp to every single location without using alt parking
Yeah no thanks Anet, you already made me quit with the pointless grinds for Auroa an Vision, no chance I'm even gonna try this, my masks can stay without the infusions.
I get they do grinds to keep people playing the game but I'm way to burnt out now for this
Best of luck to the people still grinding hard, you will reach the end one day don't give up!!
This one really feels more like an oversight than anything else. Unless they do t really want people with 30% bonus swim speed.
lol