Buy Used or New? Compact Tractor Buyer's Guide!
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- Considering buying a tractor? Should you buy used or new? Tractor Time with Tim goes over many things to consider before buying a used tractor. Special Thanks to Ted Everett Auction for allowing us to video at their Monrovia, Indiana location!
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A couple of years ago I was going to buy a new 1025r but I happened to stop at a Kubota dealer near me and they had a 2007 John Deere 2305 with a Q.A. loader, back hoe, and mower deck with 400 hrs. on it. They said that an older gentleman had owned it and it almost looked brand new. I don't think the backhoe had hardly been used and the loader bucket only had a couple of scratches on it. What they didn't tell me was that it had a minor electrical problem. It took a couple of blown fuses but the problem was easily fixed and this tractor is a gem. I saved $10,000 from a new one and I'm a happy old man. P.S. Love your videos. 👍👍 I've learned an awful lot by watching them.
I bought a used 3-year-old bx2370 and got a tiller and bush hog, plus saved 2K over local dealers at a new price. got it 4 years ago and am still happy with it.
Tim & Christy, great series on tractor buying. Messicks did a recent video on auction buying errors as they bought several tractors that were not what they expected. Informed and knowledgable and still get burned.
Well done Tim and Christy. There’s also a lot of emotional purchases made at auctions. I “dreamed” a lot before buying my first new one. (Growing up on a farm helped.)That allowed me to save up for it, to investigate options, and talk to other owners for their opinions. It worked well me for the 2nd and 3rd new purchases over the years. I’m still learning, but it has been a fun and satisfying ride. I hope others enjoy their tractor journey. Blessings.
Good advice on things to consider when buying that used tractor no matter if it's a dealer, auction, or private seller. Thanks for taking the time share your thoughts on this topic. Take care.
For the same reasons you listed, I bought new as a first time buyer. It was easier to purchase, gave me more peace of mind, and I’ve been very happy.
Tim. You make a lot of good points and this video will be helpful for someone who is going to be in the used tractor market. I will be a first time buyer. I know exactly what I want on my tractor and what attachments I want. It will be new. Still trying to decide on the color. Orange or green. Your videos and some other good people have help me tremendously in my tractor knowledge. Thank you greatly.
My grand father purchased a kubota b7100 from a friend years ago. My dad has it now, fantastic garden tractor.
Bought used 2012 JD 3720 that only had 320hrs on it. It came with whole package of various attachments. HD bucket, landscape rake, 5ft brush hog, 5 ft tiller, forks, snow push, front loader grader blade and a root grapple (grapple was still in the shipping crate). saved over $20,000 in comparison to dealer pricing. Basically I bought a tractor and got free attachments. Thanks for the awesome videos Tim. Watching from up in Canada where I'm still clearing snow🤣
Great video and great infoe. Thanks Tim and Christy.👍
Thanks for the great content!
One thing about used is that the package of attachments may be a good fit for your needs making the price much better than buying them separately. I got a Massey 1715 with front blower, mower, 3pt blade and no loader.
Good news is I wanted each of those attachments and the front blower normally costs close to double of a loader. Bonus was I was able to add the newer model loader with ssqa bucket which was not an option when the tractor was new so it worked out well for me.
Got it off a Deere lot and it was a local tractor well taken care of with only had 150 hours on it.
This video helped me from making a bad mistake. I just retired and inherited a nice piece of property and need to be able to brush hog the large pasture to keep the weeds down. I never considered looking at a new tractor due to the cost on my reduced income but am thinking twice about this. My neighbor has an older Long tractor for sale but it is one of those you would not be able to find parts for so I am definitely not considering it anymore. I may have to have someone cut the pasture again before making a decision and thankfully we do have some good dealers in the area available. Thank you for the informative video I needed to watch.
Very good information. I bought a house last year and I already have projects planned for the next coming years. Starting looking the cost of buying new, renting, or buying used. After looking at the cost of renting (monthly rental) or buying used (would have to pay more to fix anything that's needed, parts, attachments etc) is just as much I could easily put down on a down payment or potentially set that amount aside to save up for purchasing new equipment. So after my research for what I'm looking to do, I would agree buying something new would definitely be more a investment.
Good job on this video. My dad had one of the older Kubota tractors. He lovered it. I had a chance to purchase that very tractor a couple years ago from the person that I sold it to after my father passed. I still know were it’s at now.
Excellent video. Such great information that you've shared. It was also fun to see the wide variety of used tractors. That's quite an auction!
Great info Tim. I recently bought a LS MT125 and I’ve noticed people looking to upgrade and sell their slightly used MT125’s on fb groups and they’re always asking $1-$2k more than I paid for my new tractor I’m the exact same configuration. I don’t know if people are thinking their used stuff is worth more than they paid or if I just got that good of a deal. But the used market has been very high and I found it easier and cheaper to get a new tractor. At least with the LS.
....and for all of those reasons, is why I bought new....Great video Tim. Thanks for sharing!
I have a friend from church who used to work in the service department at our local New Holland and Mahindra dealer. His opinion from working on tractors is that the ‘80s compacts (like I have) are robust and heavy machines compared to many new ones. The big downside is parts availability, even for tractors that were pretty high volume. Crazy as it is, I bet I could sell my 40 year old Ford 1700 for more than my grandfather paid for it new!
Inflation is a big factor
Assuming that the tractor is in pretty good shape, I'm absolutely certain you could get more out of it today. My 1983 1710 has over 3k hours on it, has spent its entire life outside, leaks oil (both kinds), the loader is in rough shape, and the 4wd doesn't work because its missing a few gears and has one that's busted, and the hydraulics are weak. Obviously I got it for a good price, but in good shape with more moderate hours I see them going for over $10K.
Great info Tim! In my personal opinion, if you’re buying your first property with some acreage, I would buy new because then you can try and keep it for 10+ years instead of used. I respect everyone opinion.
Great video, as always.
Good job; well done video for anyone in the market for a tractor. Tim in northern TN
Good video Tim. It doesn't matter what the product is used is always a gamble. As you said a person can only minimize the probability of getting taken with knowledge and experience. At 55 years old I have found that more often then not almost everyone "lies" to some degree when selling something. Not everybody but most people do even though often times it may be a minor "fib" or "omission". I am very O.C.D. about keeping records on maintenance (date, miles/hours, who did the work, where parts were purchased, etc) right down to minor things like light bulbs being replaced. My auto mechanic laughs while referring to the ledger I keep in each vehicle as the repair "bible". It helps when selling something as it helps to prove honesty.
I just picked up my Dad’s old Kubota B7100. I remember it from when I was very young maybe 12 years old. 55 now
Great Video and Advice.
Good video Tim for first time buyers. I agree, first time buyer probably will be better off buying new. Find a local dealer and go from there.
Great video appreciate the great info.
Another good video guys, would always take advantage of 0% whenever possible. Father in law buys used all the time, he's got 3 of them now. Have a great weekend....
It would have to be an extraordinary situation for me to buy used as a 1st tractor. I went through the same process buying my 1st CNC mill years ago. Bought a popular/robust machine from a major manufacturer with a great reputation, support, & excellent parts availability & re-sale value. Paid a lot but never regretted it.
I'm on a super strict budget and have been looking for a while. I'm literally appalled that some of the used stuff people are selling especially with rust and rot issues, horrible welds etc I might beat up my equipment pushing it to the limit however, I do take care of it.
It seems like used is going up nearly the cost of new and the zero down would be a way to go if you knew you were going to pay it off right away otherwise negotiating with cash down would also achieve the same purpose. Either way they're going to get our money....
Thanks Christy and Tim. Be well and be blessed!
Something to keep in mind on proving a tractor. What's it worth to you. Not everyone else's value but to you. That may be more our less than someone else's needs
My biggest concern buying used is if the routine maintenance was done on time and done with quality oils not the cheapest available. I was waiting on a Kubota L3560 for 6 months. I could get the tractor but not the LA805 loader. So I ended up buying a L3902 this week. I was told Kubota prices were going up another 4% today, April 1st.
Good video! You're on the money with all those talking points. When I see those mostly clean, low hour machines at auction, I think bank repo. Then I become concerned about maintenance history.
I don’t see how you can go to a playground like that and not take home a tractor or 2. Great video Tim, keep up the good work. Also, it is good to hear you got back most of your money on that stolen tractor
Very interesting video. I wish I had seen this before I bought my 2004 Case IH 24DXe. It is a good tractor but no longer made but parts are still available through Case IH. One of the challenges is the parts are expensive and substitutes are not easily found. I don't have a need for it now since most of the stuff I would use it for can be done by other methods and equipment. Pretty soon I'll work on getting it washed, waxed, and spiffed up so I can sell it.
Great video guy’s! I have been burned so many times buying equipment from an auction. I stopped trying and save my money and buy new.
your better off!
Six months ago I was looking in north Florida, had to have John Deere 1025R or close to that size. I could only find one or two and they were 90 miles away. Went to my local dealer, same one my dad bought from in the 50's. New 1023E, $18,000 total financed. Exactly what I wanted.
A few years ago I bought a Kubota B7100D with a bad motor for $2500. It came with over $5000 of equipment.
My dad had a kubota 7100 late 1970's machine. It was one of the first in the area. Still like my 2010 jd 2305.
Another home run!!
Yep....My 1st tractor was a B7100 w/ 60in deck.......Started my Lil tractor business with it. :)
Great info Tim. You’re wrap up was exactly what I did. My first tractor I bought new. I bought a JD 2305 brand new. Now I’m ready to upgrade. Preferably a JD 2032 or 2038 and I’ll probably go used. Len from Kalamazoo Michigan.
Have you gone to Good Works Tractor in Kalamazoo, MI?
Yes I have. Great guy.
That’s is a lot of good information to think about. Christy mention research.
So true! If a person can get a list of tractors for auction in advance, go to your local dealer with the model your interested in and ask about it. Is it a good one, are parts available etc?
As a pretty decent authority on the Massey GC series, the 1710 is the 23 HP model. the 1720 is the 25 HP model (which I have). Massey makes a Massey specific quick attach which I got with my tractor and I had the forks and bucket with. Last summer I converted it over to the SSQA in preparation for getting a grapple. The SSQA was around $300 CAD (I think) and I purchased a plate for my forks and cut the Massey mounts off with the grinder and then welded on the plate. I chose to purchase a new bucket for $600 rather than cut the welds and weld on the SSQA plate. After doing that, I did crank up the hydraulic pressure to around 2300 to get the same lift back since the SSQA sticks out a fair bit farther.
I agree with going new. I didn't know how much I didn't know. My next one will come with more hydraulics.
I really wished you had looked at and talked about some Oliver tractors there. I like when you talk about them and hope to see you get one one day!
They had a 1250 which wouldn’t start, a Super 88 LP which did not interest me, an 1850 Gas, and a 1900 mfwd. The GM Detroit engines are not interesting to me, but that machine will likely bring big money.
Locally (central NY state, which is still somewhat ag country for those who do not know that the whole state does not look like Manhattan) dealers have gotten a bunch of new stock in within the last month, but I have seen very little used stock on their lots. I am driving by a few times a week during my shift and take notice (mainly because I like checking out compact and sub compact tractors). Surprisingly the new stock is not out the door yet because I would have assumed that a bunch of those tractors were already spoken for when the dealer got them in. I know the Kioti dealer has had a bunch of tractors in (similar to Messick’s video where he had a bunch of Kubota tractors but no loaders). I went to the Kioti dealers for an alarm this fall, and he had no loaders for majority of the tractors in yet and some were missing other items that would make them complete for sale. Apparently that back log has eased up as he has a good 12 to 15 tractors out. Deere dealer 3/4 mile west of him has about the same amount. I have not been able to check at the Kubota dealer to my East as I normally don’t work that post anymore, but one of the guys did say they seemed to have a bunch of new stuff in this past couple of weeks. At one point they had two used Deere tractors out front in one of their “prime” positions for showing off tractors for sale. Same for the Kubota dealer about 30 minutes south of us.
Tim, during this episode and I think during your auction episode, you mentioned how the small front tires on the subcompact tractors going flat is a problem. I had commented on your Johnny X loader lift episode about how I fixed the squashy front tires on my LS MT125 by replacing the OEM tires with BKT 8-ply skid steer tires. Prior to this change, I could not keep air in those little tires to same my life. Now that I made the switch, no squish with heavy loads in the loader bucket, and no more problem with keeping air in them. I don't know why this is not a more common solution used by folks to solve their problem with these. In fact, I don't know why the OEMs don't put these on right from the factory. It is one of the best investments I have made to my little workhorse.
I appreciate your honesty on not knowing the correct pricing for these tractors. I am trying to learn and in the market for a used tractor to plow 1-5 feet of snow in my property.
First lawnmower I ever ran was a Kubota B7100 HST with a 60" mower deck in the late 80s - early 2000s. Next was the Kubota G1800-s that dad bought in 1993 (I got this one from my dad in 2016 and still use it today). Those B7100 were great little tractors, but had their flaws. The cooling system was way undersized and did not use a water pump. I often see post of people looking at them and asking what they are worth. I would not pay over $3000 if they were in perfect condition. With a loader maybe 4K. No powersteering and no integrated hydraulics make them very limited in practical use in today's world. A slightly newer machine would provide those two critical functions like a BX2200, and not be any more expensive. I would love to go to an auction just to watch.
I have bought 3 compact tractors now frist one was a mistake a old John Deere 650 but no loader the 1025 I loved it and got 6k off new and 2032 I love and only payed 18 for it with 200 hours but I know what I was looking for
I agree, new buyers should by new!
Something that you need to consider is the warranty. New equipment will give you a certain number of hours during which you can avoid any major costs. New also typically includes the latest improvements in usability, fuel economy, safety, etc.
Good video. Those auctions are a hoot to attend.
Great video, I love used tractors. I have a kubota KUFD110 dozer blade for that b7100 if anyone in Virginia is interested
I've seen places like United Rentals sell tractors from time to time. Figuring that they could give a decent price and a warranty. The big thought which came to my mind was if it's a good idea when buying private party to have a mechanic look it over for assurance.
That B7100 was beautiful! I have wanted one of them for a longtime. I do however own one on Farm Simulator 22!! Lol!!
I bought a 1999 L3010 Kubota with a 72” mid mount deck, loader, 7ft blade, and landscape rake off of the original owner. I absolutely love it.
Thanks for this food for thought. My wife and I have a pretty fair idea of the minimum size tractor that we need, and that's about it... Big scary purchase for a young family that can't afford a bad choice, but a necessary evil in our case.
My first tractor was a used Ford 1715 and it immediately cost me an extra $3000 because it needed to be split to fix a shifter problem. However, since it came with a trailer, flail mower and a box blade it was still a reasonable price. I've worked it hard and within its designed limits, there is nothing this tractor won't do. Total investment, including fuel and minor repairs is about 15% of the increase in value in real estate I was able to accomplish with that machine.
Out west every auction I've gone to , Sold as is - No returns , know what you purchase
I’ve owned used and new, Agco finance with 0% for 84 months plus a 1350 rebate was a no brainer. Not sure with Deere but I know with Kioti you can not secure financing without a VIN so if the good deal is up before the machine shows up to dealer your out of luck. II applied for my Massey financing in September of 21 on a tractor that was on order but no vin and my local dealer was still able to give me that deal even though the tractor did not show up until Feb of 2022 and the 0 for 84 had come and gone, for me that was a huge plus. Also being able to double the factory warranty to 10 years for only 600 dollars was a no brainer.
2:02 that’s my favorite and I own one heck of a machine.
Like a lot of other people I like older tractors. However new tractors have many great features. The owner of a kubota dealership told me you pretty much lose 20 percent right away when you buy a new one but they all hold their value after that.
In the last couple of years tractors have gone up 20% in value after they are delivered.
@@kdegraa new cars too.
I am amazed at these times, and don’t feel they will last, but right now, you are correct.
@@DougAlesUSA you are right its a supply/demand bubble we are in and it will pop soon!
thanks for sharing the video I'd like to see you go to the live auction and film it it's always exciting to watch someone else spending their money I bought a 2014 kaboba bx25 with 332 hours at auction about 6 months ago I paid $14,000 Plus taxes and auction fees I think I paid too much
Just left there. We should have video soon.
Basically, it depends on your level of skill in fixing things. Then you have to have done research on what breaks, what doesnt, and get an idea of what it costs to fix things.. And you have to know the cost of a new tractor, and the costs of parts and labor to fix what is broken.
I bought used, mostly because i knew the guy who had owned it for nine years. I knew that he was trained as a Diesel mechanic, and what wrk had been done to it, and I had operated it quite a few hours of operating it down through the years. It is a TYM and 16-years old, but only has 900-hours on the clock. I researched parts availability, and found many of the parts in the parts book for the older TYM subcompact were the same in the current subcompact models.. i wanted to add rear remotes. The part kit from TYM for the current T25, is the same as it is for my 16-year old tractor. Nearly all of the transmission and hydraulics interchange. That greatly increased my comfort level. Having both parts books available, on the TYM site made things a lot easier to research.
My advice on buying used is: Knowing what you are looking at, and having enough experience to actually evaluate what you are looking at is the first thing to consider. I knew that the TYM subcompacts had an issue with the universal joints between the transmission and front axle. I also knew that the tractor I bought had the issue repaired the previous year.
And know pricing, generally you need to decide you aren’t going to pay more than 50 to 60% of the original retail cost. Or, the new cost of the similar model in the manufacturers line.
Finally, If you have a local independent tractor mechanic pay them to take a look at it. They tend to know what brands have what issues, and what things wear out and break over time. You are contemplating spending thousands. The investment in paying a good service mechanic for a few hours of their time is well worth it.
Solid advice!
When you see Grand L's or cab tractors that size with no loader higher hours & your spotting some rust and touch up paint..
It was most likely a dedicated snow removal machine..
I would stay away unless it goes very cheap
Good point.
Very glad you received most of your money back from the stolen tractor buy.
You forgot to say in your discourse to keep watching and learning from TTWT. 🤠
Yea!
Good video Tim! Regarding the Kioti with half the ROPS missing. I have been on tractor forums for over a decade and the one topic that stands out is never ever remove or drill/weld/cut/alter the ROPS if you might sell the tractor someday. The ROPS fear mongerers say YOU will be liable for any future injuries and if you trade the tractor in at a dealer YOU will have to buy a new ROPS or the dealer won't touch the tractor. My question is in an auction situation or even a private sale, what is the workaround for the missing/altered ROPS scenario? Clearly this may not be the bugaboo that so many people say it is.
Found out at the auction that the top half was included…just not mounted on tractor.
I'm in the market for a compact , but running into issues . I have no problem buying at auction , never been burnt , but have got stung in private sales . I usually bid about half of dealer lot price , two thirds for a high movement item . But finding a used compact in my area , seems like only available in estate sales . Some kioti and LS used , but I think I will wait on those brands to see how they shake out . So with 0 down financing I will likely buy new
When you buy it is up to you to know. I buy nothing but used
The one that doesn't have the loader. I guess that you can contact the people at westendof. The T55 loader fits that one. That's what I have.
It was on my tractor at the time that I purchased it.
Lots of people think if you buy used you inherit someone else's troubles, if you buy new you got a warranty. Well, now it seems a warranty is not that great. It is only as good as your local dealer, if you don't have one for your equipment then you are stuck hauling miles away or a warranty that is useless. If it is a big manufacturer you can get parts just about anywhere and even a small local shop can repair or service it. This particularly true if it does not have electronic control everything.
You said it. A warranty means nothing without dealer support. I am in the lawncare/landscaping business and I can tell you that after the sale is more important than any other part of the entire process. I know larger companies that have went out of business or lost gobs of money because they could not keep their fleets going. I whole-heartedly agree with your last sentiment as well, technology kills reliability. The more electronics, the more potential for breakdowns.
The tractor market is definitely strange right now my local kubota dealership had one of those spring time sales events i only went to get a free hat n free lunch but I got to talking to the salesman they have no used tractors on the lot at all they are selling them wholesale for more than they can sell them for on the lot. So I asked what my b2650 with 300 some hours on would be worth on trade and needless to say I can get more for it on trade than I paid for it on paper at least. Although its not just tractors I sold my 2018 pickup outright for more than I paid for it
Do you have any videos of the things to look for when buying a used tractor? Like what to look for on hydraulic lines and cylinders... etc...
probably nothing really good. We do have a spoof video (with some serious comments after) on the New Holland Workmaster 25S. th-cam.com/video/jLKQ7Jj399A/w-d-xo.html
Good video and great work from both of you. My dealer is not helpful one bit I have a kioti 2020 with 58 hours and my two front tires sidewalls are cracked like there 10 years old and the dealer and rep from kioti its just esthetic no waranty and to see good year for option on that matter?
Tire issues are painful on new machines. The tractor and tire manufacturers love to point the finger at each other, passing the buck.
Have you seen the Messic’s episode a few weeks ago when Neal bought a auction tractor that had the blown motor?
In the UK John Deere whether new or used they are called "Deere John" because buying one or getting spares compared to other makes are expensive & are not more reliable than other makes on the market.
DJB (UK).
I don't think I can agree with buying new. The one advantage I found was the insurance you can get when you use the 0% financing option. It costs me only a few dollars a month to get full replacement and I can use my tractor anywhere and not worry about the insurance applying. I still scraped up money for a down payment to get my payments where I wanted them. The deals might also be better for Veterans too. My first tractor was a used Kubota B8200D I bought over 10 years ago that I still run because it has a backhoe on it. This tractor was built in the 1980s and it still runs great and does all the work I need to do with it. Like you suggest Tim, I would buy a brand name though. Kubota and John Deere do have the most available support, but Kioti and Mahindra are pretty good in my area. So, If you want to learn at a lower price and not have payments, but also no insurance unless you can find it, then I don't think new is all that big a deal. I've had a few issues with my new tractor that I had to consult the dealer about. Luckily they were just break in issues and weather related due to the cold. Do your homework and decide for yourself what risk you're willing to take, and if you decide you don't like the tractor you get, then Tim can look at it in the auction lot next time.
Just in an Australian context. Sub compacts rarely come up for sale secondhand period. Or if you do find something guaranteed it will be a long way away.
Of course you rarely find the unicorn tractor!
And finally the price difference here between new and late model secondhand tends to be 10-15%.
It’s probably better to save up and buy a new tractor. Also many brands have good finance packages to make purchasing easier.
@@kdegraa I think it is better to go new. In the end it’s not that big a premium.
Definitely buying new with cash. We have a JD dealer nearest to us in tax free NH, but I like a bigger 48hp TYM for our hills. Don't know if it would be easily serviceable from a dealer 75 miles away though, and I like the Branson's front bucket lift of over 2000 lbs., but is Branson being fazed out? And I like Summit, but it's new.
I have a B6100 with FEL. Took me a while to figure out what newer SCUT owners were talking about about lacking power when it comes to pushing/pulling. The 6100 has TWELVE hp and will always push harder than it has traction for (4wd+locking rear diff). I had to see a video of some HST tractors stalling out pushing on things to get what they meant. Not a problem with this little gear tractor! I've since bought a b8200 hst with still only 19hp and even w/ loader+backhoe weight on R1s it still has a bit more push than traction in 4wd+diff lock. Makes me think some of these SCUTS just don't have a low enough low range. Anyway, i LOVE my 6100 for it's absolute tiny-ness and wouldn't trade it for anything.. I'd just get a bigger tractor for everything else! Which i kind of did.. and i may not be done collecting yet!
The B6100 and other Kubutas the 70mm stroke engine will do a lot of work but the front end of mine will come off the ground when I move something moderately heavy on the 3PH rear boom which I got from a N series Ford. But I love it for what it can do. I also have a B8200 with from.losder and L275 with loader.
@@timothykeith1367 I have noticed that these things can kind of feel like a joke at the stock weight. I have a 6100 with a loader which can max out the 3pt hydraulics without the front getting light at all. I have a 7100 with no loader and 160lbs of suitcase weights on the front and when lifting or pulling a box blade the front is so light the 4wd really isn't helping. So yeah they need weight added to really max out what they can do. My 6100 with the loader will pull a 60" box blade with rippers down, just slowly. The 7100 with suitcase weights basically won't do it. My b8200 with loader and backhoe is so much heavier that it's a tank. It can push a bucket into a pile twice as well as the 6100 and if i want to rip a bush out of the ground i can just wrap a chain around it and back away and it will rip it right out of the ground without spinning a tire.. weight is king!
@@Vigo327 I am looking forward to using my B8200. I got it for $300 from a diesel mechanic who said a friend gave it to him to repair, but he didn't have time to fix it or even determine why it wouldn't start - he was moving and couldn't transport it to the new home. A B9200 is similar with a four cylinder and I believe the frame might be extended a little. Compared to the B6100 B8200 is much heavier. The B8200 weighs about as much as a 1025R, about 500 pounds more than the B6100. The B6100 weighs about 200 pounds more than my Power King - which has a longer wheelbase. They are all pretty fun, better than working with a wheelbarrel and shovel.
@@timothykeith1367 Get the b8200 going, you'll love it.. I can tell you from watching all these TTWT videos that it will push and pull a lot harder than a 1025r. Some of it i think is just a lower low range, but it also has massive rear tires by comparison, which when filled (mine are) add a whole bunch more weight than some filled 26" tires do. Also, my subframe backhoe i believe weighs considerably more than the 1025r one (although it is still a ~6.5ft backhoe) which also helps. I would be surprised if my b8200 weighed much under 5000lbs.
I also got mine broken and disassembled. Still feels like about the best deal i ever got in my life and i'm a car guy that's had 60+ cars now. I paid $1000 for mine and now that it's up and running i probably wouldn't sell it for less than 12-13k in the current market, and that's only if i had something better lined up! I love it..
@@Vigo327 Yes, agree about the huge tires of the B8200. I think during retirement I will restore older compact tractors. Good used sheet metal is the only parts I have trouble finding
I bought new. Mainly because of trade in. 0 %. All the attachments I thought I needed. Only regret is, while salesman and garage guy were dropping everything off, they were using pallet forks. And I didn’t tell him to leave them too. I haven’t, physically seen a set since. Jd dealer hasn’t had a set since. I wasn’t smart enough to know the difference between JDQA and SSQA. Apparently all our local sellers have plenty of SSQA.
You can get the VERY BEST pallet forks from Artillian.com They are strong, but lightweight. Yes, they are expensive, but worth it in that they save your lift capacity for actual payload rather than the forks themselves!
I had this dilemma last spring after we bought our house. I found a couple decent used tractors but ultimately decided on a new one since they were offering zero percent financing.
you did the right thing NEW!!!!
Nothing more dangerous than an auction, especially for the first time buyer. Once that auctioneer gets in the groove and the crowd warms up you'll bid so fast when it's over you'll wonder how much you just paid for something you know nothing about. Here's the thing, though really and truly there aren't any deals to be had at most of them. You can split the market into 3 basic categories, repo, refurb and estate. You've got a shot at a solid low hour machine with a repo but that doesn't mean it'll be perfect. The refurb and estate groups overlap at times. Not uncommon to see an older unit that sold a month or 2 ago come back through dressed up with a fresh set of tires and a respray. Some resellers do go through and make a point to reseal and fix leaks but often it's just a quick wash and repaint. For me these are the ones to avoid, I want to see grease on the pins, or if they look dry I'd like that to be obvious too. Open the hood, does the machine have o.e. brand filters on it? Baldwin? Wix? Is the belt loose or tight, how cracked is it? All these things can give you some idea of how it may have been treated by prior owners. The estate equipment usually shows up as is and gives you an honest glimpse into the life it has lived. Be careful with hydrostatic machines, often times even a worn out trans will shuttle and move fairly well until it gets warm or you attempt to load it hard. Have seen more than one "deal" come right back at the next sale. Rule of thumb was always bid for 1/2 of new and walk away, unfortunately the demand in the market has destroyed that strategy. Consider for a moment that all your research must be done on the fly and that you wont have time to try and find all the flaws so remember dont pay new for used. I'd encourage people to go and experience an auction but treat it like the midway at the fair. Remember the left hand wants you watching it and ignoring the right hand.
I think all tractors have a place.... depending on price. If you can grab a subcompact with no loader for $1500-2000 then you have a great mowing tractor or garden tractor for tilling that you don't need to worry about. But new and reliable with a warranty has a big place too
No subcompacts went even close to that price at this auction.
@@TractorTimewithTim yea, no place for them if you have to pay too much. Never understand when people pay %80 of new for a used machine. Thanks for the info
@@TractorTimewithTim Tim, the biggest issue whether new or used is dealer support. I don't feel that's touched on nearly enough. A crappy service department can ruin an entire experience, or it can result in generations of loyalty. It's especially critical for those of us that depend on these machines for our livelihood.
Next episode.
@@dudeman5788 I live in a small town and somehow got lucky enough to have a new holland/Massey dealer nextdoor to a kubota dealer, across the street from a john deere dealer. I've leaned towards those brands because they are so close and convenient.
I have a 1952 fordson and I’m wondering if you know how/where I would find an arm and bucket that would fit and work with it.
The massy you first got on did it have tie down points on the front of the frame?
No idea.
Sorry if already mentioned but what do you recommend for 2-way communication in noisy conditions? I've heard you guys mention the IsoTunes earphones but not the radio/gear.
I think we will have a product to demo on that in the next few months. Hang tight. It hasn’t been released yet :-)
Allis Chalmers did not buy Deutz. Deutz bought Allis Chalmers in 1985. Had Allis bought Deutz, I suspect the name would be Allis-Deutz, if it was chosen to use the Deutz name at all. They wouldn't put the Allis name second, the same as when Case's parent company bought International. They didn't call it International-Case, instead putting Case ahead of International, despite International being the better selling tractor.
Hmm, I am seeing an opportunity for a second channel here. This Old Tractor Time with Tim. It will be a gold mine. You can't afford NOT to buy that old Kubota!
Great video! Did you make a video of the auction itself?:)
Next week :-)
@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks for answering :) cant wait :)
Did you buy that old Kubota? It sure would look pretty in your shop!
At the auction this motioning:-)
Wish we had actions like this around me. Instead I’m looking at buying implements from auctions 3000 miles away.
For those who say zero percent financing means discounts on the purchase price will be lost, negotiate the price then discuss how it will be paid.
Maybe on cars. On Deere 1-series, you’ll see $500 less for cash purchase.
@@TractorTimewithTim is that legal? I mean if I went to a John Deere dealer in the USA and said I want to buy a 1 series tractor and asked for a price, the dealer would tell me for example the cash price is $20,000 while the finance price is $20,500 and they could not get into trouble?
@@kdegraa yes. In this case, there is a $500 rebate from Deere for cash sale.
I bet most new Tractor lookers don't know a Tractor does not have a Title.
If you are buying a used tractor, first avoid everything that uses DEF, no exceptions. Second, make sure the wheels have never had calcium chloride in them for ballast. Calcium chloride is very corrosive and will eventually ruin the wheel/rim. On older tractors, those wheels/rims are getting hard to find and are going to be expensive to replace when it happens. Third, MAKE SURE you buy it configured the way you want it. In other words, if you want tires that have an R1 AG tread, make sure the tractor already has them instead of turf tires. You can switch from turf tires to ag tires, but it's not just the tire that changes. The wheel assembly is entirely different between the two, and you'll probably have well over $1K in switching the tires where as they don't cost anything if you the tractor already has them. Make sure it already has a loader. You can add an aftermarket loader to most older tractors, but they are extremely expensive. They can cost over $5K. By contrast, having a loader already on a used tractor might increase the price buy $1k to $2k. Make sure its 4wd. You can not add 4wd later, and it really only increases the cost of the used tractor for $1k to $2k. You may not think you'll need it, but once you have it you'll be glad you did. If the tractor doesn't have it, you'll wish you had spent more money on one that did, especially if it has a loader or you're pulling/pushing any kind of attachment with it. If you want to bush hog with it, it would be good to find one that has the bush hog but those can be found used at a pretty reasonable price.
All good stuff.
No put it away says Christy!
I have a landscaping project at my house next year. Instead of renting a dingo, I was thinking of buying a low hour 1025r with 120r loader on it for around $13-15k and then selling it when my project is done. ............. Even if I lose $1000-$2000 on the buy/use/sale, I figured I would be better off than renting equipment multiple times, and I could work a few hours here and there, instead of having to commit to a particular day.........@TIM,what do you think of buying a used tractor for one project, then selling it?
Sounds like a plan. You might decide to keep it.
@@TractorTimewithTim I'd love to keep it, but my 0.45 acre parcel is a bit small to keep it. We'll see though, if business is good the next 9 months, maybe I will keep it! Need to plant a food plot at deer camp too. =)
I had 0.4 acres with my first 1025r.
I see more of the Covid pricing now in older tractors. I assume that is what caused it.
Why else would someone list an old 135 Massey, that is used, not terribly beat up but well used, for $8000?
I have been watching local asking prices of the used market for 4 years now, and all of a sudden the prices sky rocketed. Most of the time the asking price is double what they were 4 years ago, and I get every thing has went up, but an old tractor is really only worth what someone is willing to pay.
This guy is unbelievable....