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Reason 1 - Amuro is born Reason 2 - Bright punches Amuro Reason 3 - Ryu punches Amuro Reason 4 - They establish newtypes as a concept Reason 5 - Amuro is a newtype
@@boxtank5288 And Edouard Mass died in a ship explosion "accident" that was not definitely staged by the Zabis. Weird how they look the same as Char Aznable, you might mistake them the other way around if they changed clothes or something.
@@adamntcaponewholikesbigcoo1749 Humm… Not too sure it is wise to trust him though… I think it is more semantic rather than true loyalty… As in « How can I betray a side I was never a part of to begin with ? »
It did indeed, because by the time that the Gelgoog was ready for deployment the federation at that point had became more adept at deployment, and in Mobile Suit combat if they still would’ve had a number of aces at their disposal, the war possibly could’ve had a different result
I mean.. not every teen is basically a demi-god compared to normal humans piloting something that makes most other if not a majority of other mobile suits look like paper.. Really shoulda thought about that dom choice huh zeon?
@@CosmoShidan I was pretty sure only the RX-79-2 had that? Unless I'm wrong, which I'll gladly be if proven because GM's with learning computers would make me really happy
Fun Fact: In one of the Dynasty Warriors: Gundam games (I think 3, not sure), there's a mission where you play as Emma in the Gundam Mk. II in a simulation of Dozle getting more resources. There are indeed multiple Big Zams in the mission, and Emma even says "With this many Big Zams, Zeon could have won the One Year War."
IMO, it wasn't just the Zabi sibling rivalry that contributed to Zeon's defeat, but also the infighting and rivalry amongst Zeon's other senior officers. A good example is the rivalry between Ginias Sahalin and Yuri Kellarny in the 8th MS Team.
Whatever the Federation's internal problems, they had the good sense to put them on the backburner, or at least cover them as military justice in the case of 08th MS Team, until the end of the war rather than the near open conflict in Zeon
@@BlackOps05 pretty much Not to mention as much as a jackass as Ryer was for his actions in the finale, his at least had pragmatic reasons, as dickish as they were regarding having that GM Sniper shoot down Shiro and before that shoot down that escaping civilian transport Where as Killing of Zeon straight up sent a team in to die and then decides “To hell with the treaties of war Zeon agreed to, let’s nuke this entire colony regardless of even the team I just threw in there being undermanned and armed to begin with, all hail Gihren!” Even their respective deaths show their acknowledgement of their screw ups: Ryer realized he should have paid more attention to the mobile armor then Shiro and accepted death when it blew up his command center Killing offed himself in front of a giant picture of Gihren rather then face punishment for planning to use a nuclear weapon, be it by Zeon or Federation forces It also says a lot about the people under them, Ryer’s men followed his orders, though some accepted while others where against him like Kojima We see nothing to indicate until after the war is over and Bernie’s dead that Killing’s plan to nuke the colony was gonna fail, indicating his direct subordinates were right alongside him in saying “Screw the treaties, all hail Gihren!” and all for nuking a metric ton of civilians
@@arashitendou5941 Don't forget that Killing always wanted Side 7 nuked. It's why he assigned a rookie like Bernie to the infiltration team so their chances wouldn't improve. My headcanon for this is Gihren knew even if Zeon won, Side 7 would always be a thorn in his side and told his generals to look for a way to legally destroy it.
@@wdcain1 that’s one way to look at it This also brings to mind a factor that points a difference to Degwin’s point of Gihren being like Hitler Hitler inspired fear in his military officers and generals Such was the case behind the fact he hates being woken up very early, so when they needed the REQUIRED (by order of Hitler only himself) to deploy their most recent and advance tanks during the war Everyone was to scared to wake him up so early to get the approval to deploy them Gihren on the other hand inspired such insane levels of worship/simping in his forces they went to the murderous and disgusting levels of actions like Killing and Delza With the fact that Delza was able to get Gato to follow along, leading many to forget Gato served under Dozle so why would HE simp for Gihren’s ideals which are nothing of the military comradely that was one of Dolze’s few positives?
The war was over after the first month. The Zeons had the element of surprise and a new type of weapon that allowed them to make a lot of gains in the early weeks of the war, but they'd never be able to out-produce the Earth Federation which means that they had no hope of outlasting them. As soon as they allowed themselves to get bogged down into a stalemate they'd already lost, and it was just a matter of time before that loss became undeniable.
The Earth Federation had one overwhelming resource Zeon lacked and that was manpower. Dropping a colony served only to drive angry young men and women into the armed forces. After all, while the initial response would have been fear, fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate.
To be fair the Jion only planned to blitzkreg to victory. Considering the Jion attacked on multiple fronts simultaneously they looked like they had the overwhelming force to take on and take out Earth as well as cower any sides that chose to be earth's side. They NEVER imagined that things would go to #$#@$ so badly. Losing was never even ON their radar, even as Jion forces were pushed off earth. The fact that Giren willingly blew away his own father and his forces just to get at one of the Fed fleets shows how delusional and indifferent the Jion high command was to the situation that they never considered failure.
@@Zergonapal I don't think they would have had any chance at all without the colony drop. It's like Iceland trying to invade the US. Even in a scenario where the US armed forces had languished in corruption and disoranization, and where Iceland were one generation ahead in military technology and had the world's most brilliant commanders, the difference in scale just makes the whole endeavour ridiculous on its face.
One key reason that was mentioned was that Zeon needed to hit hard and fast, make the Feds soil themselves and force a surrender. However they appeared to be revelling in what they did and missed the "force a surrender" bit.
Very true, take Operation British for an example. It was overly cruel, needlessly bloody, and a waste of resources that caused the death of billions of people for nothing. It wasn’t like they were reacting to the Federation, at that point in time Zeon was independent and while there were tensions, they were not at war yet. They went for a spectacle attack, one meant to strike fear but in the end it failed in that objective and it caused them to waste their energy, manpower, and resources (see General Revel’s Zeon is Exhausted speech). There comes a point when you cause too much fear that you back your enemy into a corner and they fight all the harder, and they drove the Federation to this point. A sneak attack against the Federation space assets and naval yards, then use the threat of a colony drop to get their demands would have worked better, removing both their opponents from space and securing their own resources.
@@Gomjibar if I’m taking your example correctly, what your basically describing is what they should have done is more in line to how OZ and then later White Fang took down the Earth Alliance and Romafeller respectively Hide within the other or at least the shadows and then strike when their guards down with your superior weapons and mobile suits With your leading officials secretly gaining control of key points, a la how White Fang stole Libra
@@Gomjibar yeah, but had not Revil managed to get back to Federal space in time, the Antarctic treaty would have been much more favorable to Zeon… It was about to be signed when Revil made his speech, after all
@@Gomjibar I have to disagree: in the Gihren's Greed games a successful colony drop on Jaburo is essentially a deathblow to the EF, and considering that is precisely where they rebuilt their space fleet, not to mention development & mass production of many of their MS, it was a very logical course of action. This is why even after the war moved to Earth, Zeon devoted a lot of resources trying to find Jaburo, periodically bombing the region and producing MS specifically designed for attacking it. And let's not forget that in 0087 the AEUG tries a similar approach against the EF/Titans by invading Jaburo, but the Titans had anticipated the move and weeks in advance had relocated the more valuable assets to other bases such as New Guinea and later Kilimanjaro, leaving a husk of old MS as the base defenses and preparing nuclear weapons to wipe out the AEUG. I can agree that it ended up being quite bloody (though it seems that in itself has been nerfed more and more overtime, going from initially both sides using nukes and Zeon gassing many colonies, to neither side using nukes and Zeon only gassing the colony for the Operation), though the only alternative to using a colony might have been using an asteroid instead, but factors such as the shape of the asteroid or options for placing thrusters that allowed to adjust its trajectory might have made a colony their best choice to actually hit the specific region.
I still love how graphic Kycilia’s death was, her head being blown off and her arm flying by one of the Zeon soldiers was both over the top and somewhat cathartic
I've always wanted to see an AU where Revel didn't escape, so the EF surrenders. Mostly because with the fractious nature of Zeon, a Zeonic civil war is basically sure to happen within a few months. I don't think Zeon was nearly as prepared for a total victory as they thought they were.
There would indeed be a civil war and it would also culminate in the lost of nearly every colony in space because of it. Zeon would destroy themselves from within.
@@BeyondDaX Not really, because Girhen would have had forced the earth's remaining 2 billion people to move into the destroyed colony clusters, set up new space nations, and then begin a series of new wars in the name of "population control" and "national security" in the end.
0:54 It is a bummer we never see Hamon Crowley make an appearance in Build Fighters show as Mr. Ral's wife. Where she could have been a part of the Gunpla Police dealing with Gunpla Mafia.
I always wonder how did Ramba gain so much weight in such a short time. From Origin to the Original series he seems to have gained alot of weight. Earth's gravity perhaps?
@@dustybunny6716 he may have been chowing down… but he didn’t neglect his daily training and now he’s quite the beast on the battlefield in and out of the cockpit
To be honest, I feel like the greatest reason Zeon lost the war...beyond any singular event, beyond any battle, is something we see in the very first episode. And then it happens again and again, constantly. You partially touched on it, especially mentioning the Zabi family... but betrayal, disobedience, and personal ambition was the largest issue that plagued the Principality during the war on all levels and led to it's pitiful demise at the final battle. From the Zaku pilot Gene disobeying orders to fire on Side 7, leading to Amuro entering his father's Gundam... To "losing" vital mobile suits to hide their illicit deeds, leading to death of Ramba Ral and the loss of his elite forces. To the various assassins and power plays between the Zabi family... To General Reval being freed by Zeon traitors working with Federation agents... To Char Anzable *in general!* Betrayal is what created The Principality of Zeon, fitting that it would also be what destroyed it.
As you said, it's what created the Principality. The Zabis created the culture of duplicity and totally soiled a cause against an otherwise corrupt and abusive enemy.
@@shiftfire4511 while watching Origins and seeing how he gasligthed Garma into the Dawn Rebellion I thought "wow... he is one of the main causes of a war that killed around half of the human population- but it doesn´t feel out of character because of HOW MUCH he hates both side".... and I think that describes Char very well(?
They needed a major change from the Zaku, since the Zaku wasn't really built for anti-mobile-suit combat (being designed at a time when the EFF didn't have mobile suits.) The definitely didn't need as many new types of suits as they got, though. I get the impression that a lot of Zeon's top decision-makers were glory-hounds, and they all wanted to be responsible for their own new mobile suit type.
@@mightyrobot42 A core design, not a single mobile suit. A large majority of their newer machines were specialist designs suited to specific types of engagements. That idea has its merits, but it meant they never had enough machines and pilots had to continue to learn new combat tactics. For example a Zaku pilot used to the rifles and bazookas would have to relearn new tactics for the close combat Gouf and then learn new tactics for the high speed Dom and so on. But if they instead focused on a Zaku 3 at the time(not the one we got years later) that was better tailored for anti-mobile suit combat, then later on the Gelgoog, which was the same generalist design idea and wouldn't have needed new training and wouldn't be limited to specific theaters.
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck They didn't need to. They would have performed better by focusing on a core group of well trained pilots using standardized high performance machines rather than a handful of prototypes and large amounts of grunts.
#6: Zeon's leadership sabotaging each other. From Gihren leaking Noisy Fairy's HQ to the Federation, Dozle not receiving any support at Solomon, and Adm. Killing screwing over Operation Rubicon, Zeon's leadership fought each other more then the EFSF.
I always felt that had Zeon relied on swarm tactics, they would have won. The Zaku line was cheap and versatile. Even if it was all just cannon fodder, numbers overwhelm
Especially early on when the Federation didn't have as many GM's or Gundam type units, if they spent more time with a higher production of fewer model types (stick to Zaku II, Dom and eventually Gelgoog), then they probably would have won no problem. Instead they dedicated a lot of resources to nich experimental machines, while powerful, aren't going to win a battle by themselves and is more expensive than just a team of experienced Zaku pilots. The GM was also cheap, but its numbers, gundam combat data and pilots now privy to Zeon tactics let them slap the crap out of the zeeks like no tomorrow. It's poetic how Zeon always loses due to hubris or infighting, if command were more competent they'd absolutely have a system wide empire.
they used basically blitzkreg their way to victory. They thought that by pretending to have overwhelming force the could cower Earth and every colony on their side into surrender. but the thing is they never had the production or numbers to keep up swarm tactics, esp after the Jion were trounced from Earth and now Federation bent all resoures and production into building a counterattack. Jion had destroyed places like Side 4 whose numbers and resources could have aided the cause because they just assumed they would win. Even as the tide went against Jion, they kept acting and fighting like they could turn things around...... and the thing is numbers can only do SO much in the face of overwhelming firepower. Jion didn't have the power to keep up by time Side 3 was surrounded....
Main issue is they lacked the numbers. The Zaku has much shorter range so it needed carriers in order to survive. Thus the federation could simply destroy the zeon fleet and pick off pilots once they run out of fuel.
The bit with Zeon's overreliance on superweapons is yet another of 0079's baked in World War II references. Just like Nazi Germany, Zeon starts in a strong position with surprise attacks using advanced weapons (the Zaku and Panzer tank series, respectively), but soon starts to get bogged down in an attrition game. Then they end up blowing the last of their very finite resources on high quality prototypes that are great tactical resources, but are a net strategic loss due to their low numbers and lack of standardization. Meanwhile their opponents are late to the party, but by the time they arrive they're churning out unremarkable but very functional weapons (GMs in the one case and Shermans and T-34s in the other) by the literal boatload, and in an attrition game there's no beating that.
Resources weren't the issue, as by the time of Operation Odessa they had enough raw materials stockpiled to keep the war going for years. The issue was manpower; the Federation had a much greater population. This is seen in the battle of A'boa Qu, when most of their Gelgoogs were being piloted by novices because they ran out of experienced pilots. In fact they needed the superweapons because they needed their smaller pool of soldiers to do more.
Except, in stark contrast to Nazi Germany's wunderwaffen, the Zeon "superweapons" are *extremely* effective. However expensive they were in terms of resources, the viewer is given the impression that the Federation would've been screwed without Amuro around to take them on in a machine capable of matching them. Think of Lalah's Elmeth, Dozle's Big Zam or Char in the Zeong shredding their way through Federation cruisers effortlessly until Amuro intervenes.
That's an antiquated myth. Germany in the first year of ww2 started out with the humble panzer 2 tank, panzer 3, and early models of the panzer 4 with short barrelled howitzer guns as their main gun. The Tiger 1 was still in the blueprint stage looking more like a heavier armored panzer 4 than the design it would have in 1942. In fact it was actually the allies at this time that had the more heavily armoured tanks. The only technological advantage Germany had was that all their tanks were equipped with radios. Also I wouldn't call the Sherman that had frontal armour similar to a german heavy tank and an incredibly versatile tank that could handle pretty much every situation that was thrown at it unremarkable, nor would I call the T-34 the tank whose very existence put German tank development in shambles allowing for the production of more and more unreliable overburdened tanks like the panther, tiger 2, among other things an unremarkable tank.
Nearly all of the stuff mentioned here are Very Axis Issues, Bad Intel, Bad Logistics, Over Reliance on experimental Weaponry, Infighting, poor tactical and strategic decisions ect are WW2 Axis Mistakes.
@@coryfice1881its also similar here too, Zeon started out with the Zaku I and II which by Mecha standards are like the Panzer II and III but after a while (IRL after facing the T-34 and in Gundam meeting well the Gundam) they switched gears to Experimental weaponry.
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Mars Zeon never has any real impact on the Universal Century. It gets taken down in U.C. 0091 by ReZeon Legion, a rebel army that ironically wants independence from their fascistic regime. Commander Charles Rochester recovers the troop enough to fight the Feds by the F91 video game set in U.C. 0122, but he and his army get wiped out, eventually becoming lackeys for the Crossbone Vanguard as they hijack the plot. AoZ Re-Boot: Gundam Inle states that Mars Zeon continues existing into the U.C. 0150s, still fighting the ReZeon to get back whatever little influence it still has on Mars. By Gundam Crossbone: Dust, "Zabi Zeon" ends up just one space state fighting other space states. Zeon ideology of the OG Principality has rarely been spoken of since the F91 movie, meaning it's practically dead.
1:35 I believe the most likely game result for Ral with his Doms is that Amuro and possibly the Gundam escape but the rest of white base's suits are captured or destroyed along with the ship itself.
Either way, Zeon wins the biggest victory needed to ensure they can crush the Federation (sure GM spam is still an issue BUT it isn't unwinnable at that point as without the Amuro Data, the pilots will be working at square 1. Likewise if Amuro escapes but the base is scuttled, there goes a valuable asset.
This specific game event in threat of axis sees the gundam destroyed and the white base captured by Ramba Ral, i think you even get to use it afterwards as zeon. Funny thing is.. if you give Ramba the Doms you will loose points on the Order/chaos axis the game has and drift closer to chaos.. wich is bad because being far into chaos means kycillia and Garma (if hes still alive at that point wich you can influence by not resuplying Char after his first encounter with the gundam... wich also nets you chaos points btw) will rebel against you during the OYW. And considering that you only have 100 turns to finish the OYW (you got unlimited turns afterwards for the events of Z, ZZ and chars counter attack) thats basically an unwinnable situation. However if you follow the events of the different shows like the main series, 8th ms team and so on.. you get alot of prototype MS and order points.. but you loose allmost all of your Ace pilots cause they get killed off. So its allmost never worth it going the canon route even if you have to eat those chaos points, since the MS that you get in return are quickly outdated.. but the Ace pilots will last you the entirety of your playthrough if they survive. Good thing you can recover by not doing evil shit like plundering or using nukes XD
@@boxtank5288 If they needed the data that bad White Base wouldn't have been fucking around the globe like it was. Proabbaly why some people think Wakkein may have transmitted the data as far back as the White Base getting to Luna 2.
@@Hartzilla2007 Perhaps. Also they kinda needed more data, all they had at Luna 2 was how it fared in SPACE (and in colonies), Earth and it's multitude of environments is more a wildcard. (Also because Feddies be kinda dicks considering they didn't get the civilians off White Base back at Luna 2)
I think Tomino cleverly based Zeon on the German Nazi strategy of coming up with new advanced tanks like the Panther & Tigere etc. there’s actually a documentary about experimental Nazi military weapons, most of which were never mass produced or had limited production. Contrast that to the Russians who had the T34 tank which was just tough enough to get the job done and super cheap enough that they could produce them in incredible quantities and overwhelm the enemy. You NEED air superiority , and ocean superiority. Everything else can be handled by having 1 million Zakus lol
I've heard that many Nazi wunderwaffe toys were also being built by multiple competing corporations at the expense of the government. This seems to be reflected in Zeon as well: Zimmad threw out MS designs to try and displace Zeonic's MS dominance, only succeeding with the Dom, while MIP cranked out dumb MAs (and the Z'Gok).
I've been in a WW2 war machines binge when watching the Dark Documents and Dark Skies channels and yeah, Zeon really acted like German development during the war
1: German tanks are not particularly more capable than any of their counterparts. 2: the T34 is NOT a cheap tank. It was produced in large numbers, but not without great cost. Where the t34 suffered was in the loss of capability and ease of maintenance due to production flaws. The T34 wasn't cheap. It was just crappy
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck it was cheaply made because as I understand it, USSR prioritized volume in production not quality or durability. Military historians in documentaries said it was very hastily and haphazardly ,with a few parts as possible, built because they produced them at immense speed. All of that resulted in cost savings compared to a Sherman or Panzer.
The point about the experimental suits made me think. Imagine being a Zeek MS mechanic. Every week you're asked to carry out maintenance on a brand new machine you've never seen before.
In Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin, it was Kycilia who secretly arranged General Revil's "escape". From what I understand, she did this because: 1) she wanted to prolong the war, and 2) she hated her siblings for the way they treated her over the years.
good ideas yes but Gundam Origins does conflict with cannon and that's why ge doesn't use them a ton for some of these videos. Though not suprised Kacyila did that even in the One Year War Novel I think she helps Char and the White Base crew sneak onto Side 3 to take Gerin out.
Pretty much the reason why The Zabis engineered General Revil’s escape Is because they knew that if the war would have dragged on Zeon would lose under the thumb of attrition Because their natural resources are only 1/30 Of the Federation so by prolonging the war this would make an invasion of the earth Paramount because if they were able to seize large portions of the planet then they would have access to the resources they need it to be able to fight the war for as long as they need but also on the Federation side of things they new that Zeon was lacking in this regard and gave his famous speech and this was one of the reasons as to why the federation agreed to the Antarctic Treaty because even though Zeon had The tactical advantage of Mobile Suits However strategically their armed forces And resources weren’t as numerous as the Federation and in the later stages of the war this will come back on them.
I know that in the original MSG series Revil actually escaped because Zeon traitors switches sides. In Gundam the origin this is changed to the Zabis letting him go so he pushes for a ceasefire but instead he calls for more war.
Letting Char back into the military was a terrible idea, but I think the damage had already been done at that point. During Char's betrayal of Garma, Char had a fix on the White Base, but instead, chose to stab poor Garma in the back. If Char hadn't decided on that moment as the prime moment for revenge, or if Char was just some Zeon grunt, Garma would've gotten the drop on the White Base and not the other way around. With the White Base out of the picture, even if Amuro escapes, without a base to operate from, he'll be captured in time and a lot of Zeon pilots and infrastructure would've been saved and could've been used later in the war. Or the capture of White Base could have demoralized the Federation into a peace agreement.
And to put the cherry ontop: Garma was perhaps the ONLY Zabi who had nothing to do with the death of chars father and the persecution of the rest of his family by the zabis, and genuinly the only one who harbored absolutely no ill will towards char. Also if the Greed games are to be believed, Garma would eventually turn against his tyrannical brother Ghireen together with Dozle as a leader that had matured alot due to the harsh realities of war.
@@riptors9777 One could make a strong case for Dozle, too, but yeah, Garma was absolutely not involved in the Zabi's machinations. In addition to Ghiren's Greed, IIRC, Tomino himself said at some point, Degwin would have encouraged Garma to stage a coup against Ghiren with Dozle backing him. Or something like that.
yea i never understood why kycillia let Char back in after finding out his identity it never really made sense to me.i guess he was too valuable to let go
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 Yeah but she could have had him put under "protective" custody.. instead of letting him sneak around in Zeon without her knowing what his real motives where. For someone who was basically in charge of zeons secret service she didnt even question why he snuck into the military and his involvement in garmas death at all? Because he was a newtype and she wanted some?
In reference to the infighting within Zeon, Ginias Sahalin goin nuts and killing his entire research staff and killing off Yuri Kellerne....and trying to kill his sister in the end speaks volumes of this infighting among the higher ups in Zeon. Alot of Zeon's higher ups focused more on personal agendas than that of Zeon itself. Something that Haman Karn's Neo Zeon didnt pay any heed to when Glemy Toto rebelled which that too was a cause for Zeon's downfall yet again. Fortunately Char's Neo Zeon and Full Frontal's Sleeves paid well attention to but their radicalism is costed them their downfalls. Char was too done with humanity after a few decades of strife and war had ravaged humanity so bad...you can only sympathize with Char but how he goes about to change it is where he was wrong and caused his own defeat. Char's own dream and realization wouldnt come to pass until the Turn A Gundam anime's era when all of the Earth's survivors live on the moon and no longer living on the Earth.
I think the major factor for Zeon's loss was its... overly optimistic Earth invasion plans? The Federation's battleship-focused doctrine for space warfare was easily torn apart by Zeon Mobile Suits, but the same just wasn't true for atmospheric and terrestrial combat. Zeon''s technological supremacy didn't extend to their basic infantry, Federation tanks could take down Zakus when utilized correctly, and the Federation's air force was likely more effective than Zeon's who had no way to practically test their fighters from within space colonies. The huge initial gains Zeon won on Earth at the beginning fell away quickly as they stretched themselves thin operating in too many theatres concurrently, they were so contemptuous of the Feddies that they forgot the cardinal rule of warfare for millennia -- never fight a land war in Asia.
People also forget just how LARGE the Federation army was. Like overwhelming large. That has to be one of the main reasons why they win most of the wars they're involved in
The One Year War (and 0083's Naval Review) is the only time we ever really see nearly the numerical might of the Federation Forces. Everything afterwards is just a fraction of the forces because the conflicts are far more isolated compared to the One Year War (at the very least, they're not a "global" conflict). But it really comes down to other groups rather than the Federation itself, besides the Second Neo Zeon War, that ends up winning later wars given the Federation, even with its numbers by then, are using far outdated equipment and whatnot.
Their forces were large but you have to remember their job is maintaining control and security across all of Earth and her colonies, not to mention Luna and the far flung outposts like Jupiter. Which means at any given time a large percentage of the force is tied down just keeping the peace. Add to that the losses of the OYW, (and Operation Stardust) and the Federation never had the resources to fully pacify Zeon and the other spacenoid factions that emerged out of the woodwork in the aftermath. Which meant near-constant skirmishing and major wars breaking out like clockwork every few years, that while they never reached the intensity or scale of the OYW, mostly, were nonetheless damaging. That's part of the reason the Feddie Government was so eager to make a deal with Char in CCA, because his Neo Zeon had gathered pretty much most of the remnant forces and if they disarmed it would mean a lasting peace.
It will be awesome a video talking about reasons why the federation won the one year war. Between some of those can be the use of the Gundam spare parts to create and mass produce the Gundam Ground type. The GMs, and general Revil contributions.
And another cause for their defeat might have been due to their massive early successes causing them to overextend and their troops to become spread out way too thin.
Omg, there was no trust whatsoever everyone was either dog walking each other or betraying one another too. That and with your explanation that they kept relying on experimental MS to save the day and ZEON is toast! 🤣
@@darkspine1052 true but was seemingly bad with logistics The whole ‘mass produce the Big Zam’ is my point The resources needed to both build and pilot the thing (Dozle is stated to be a rare case to be able to pilot it by himself) and with its design more an Earth side unit only makes it another ultimate waste The only thing it truly gained in the war was killing Sledgger(?) and ensuring the escape of the rest of his bases people Most importantly his daughter for her much future importance to both Haman and pretty much EVERYONE in Unicorn
Just goes to show you that, realistically speaking, villains who are villains purely for the sake of it are usually some of the dumbest people out there. Seriously, these people displayed all the typical behaviors of Saturday morning cartoon villains, and look where it got them.
Here’s some more ideas for fan made mobile suits, my first idea is the galbady gamma, the most recent unit of the galbady line, it was used in the second and third neo zeon war, it armaments were a mix of the galbady alpha and beta, with original weapons like the shade Faust. My next idea is the verken, a unit first used by the federation during the late universal century, the armaments includes a beam shield, a beam rifle, beam blades emitted from the right arm, and others. The next unit is the velzeran, a technological descendant of the Gelgoog, it can use a beam Naginata like the Gelgoog, a regular beam saber, a gyan beam saber, some beam firearms and more, like the Gelgoog Is was a versatile unit. Any ideas for a mobile suit?
I built a custom gunpla recently consisting of a HGGTO Guntank Early Type lower section, a 30MM Sub Machine exa vehicle torso and arms, a pair of four-barrel cannons from the Loto Twin set on the shoulders, a Northern Pod head (the cockpit-looking one, not the GM-looking one) and an Ez-SR backpack and radome. A lot of the changes are just cosmetic, but the idea is that it would fully adopt the "long-range" portion of the Guntank's description, remaining as far from the actual fighting as Minovsky interference would allow (with that distance being extended by the radome,) using its radome to collect sensor data that would be transmitted to allied mobile suits closer to the battle and using its shoulder-cannons to shell enemy targets (the gun-hands would be for self-defence in case an enemy managed to get past its escorting suits.) The suit would be piloted by a two-person crew (pilot and WSO) within the head and chest cockpits, while a portion of the lower "tank" section would be used as a forward command centre from which a small group of officers would coordinate the battle.
The end result would have being different if Giren didn't decide to use Zeon's secret giant space laser to kill his own old man and the Federation representatives he was meeting to surrender as that would have end the war right there with no heavy hatred toward Zeon which would have started the whole Zeon hunt after the war ended. Also if he didn't reveal it to his sister he wouldn't have gotten headshot and still be in command of Zeon plus he can order the troops to be out of the firing range of the space laser he use to kill his old man.
The result would be zeon lost the war, which mean what they had been fightimg for nothing, and house zabi will be trial for war crime. Giren probably had a plan B if A baoa qu is lost to the fed, by having the fed losing their flag ship zeon already had won half of the war, all they need to drag the war long enough that the EFF has no other choice but to call for truce. The battle in A boa Q is very much all in from the EFF, they either win all or lost it all. Also his sister knew he kill their father she just want him to admit it in front of others so she can punish him with valid reason of treason. What would make a difference is that Giren could confined his sister for espionage to avoid his death. Would Giren turn the tide of the war? The is a chance, just remember that he is the most intelligent strategies in OYW, he probably foreseen most of the outcome of the war which probably why he had not in panic or preparing for retreat even the battle had gone south.
The zeon hunt wasn't for the colony laser, it was for what happened post-war with the gihren loyalists dropping a colony onto NA and wiping out the breadbasket, causing famine. not to mention their original target being the federation capitol.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin Nope, Gihren blew up Degwin and half the Feddie fleet because he was nuts and thought he could win. Kacylia killed him for murdering their father and half over their fleet, gihren's loyalists then left the battle of aboa que and caused shit later that resulted in the formation of the Titans, which in turn began to crap on space colonies even worse than before Zeon rose up. Basically all this because Degwin murdered casval's father and usurped power like a greedy asshole, and raised a whole family of greedy backstabbing assholes. Zeo falling apart is also why there are remnants all over, all those splinters don't really know who to follow, some followed Haman, others followed Casval when he revealed himself, some full frontal, and some waited for Mineva, belivign the Zabi's the true rulers. It's a convoluted mess.
@@kauske If Degwin didn't pull the assassination Casaval's old man would have just went with the war option as there is no way the Feds are going to let the colony have even more independence. When that happen while Zeon would never have formed as the Feds just took control as the colonies back then don't have a proper military so the Feds just walk right through them and took control.
Dozle Zabi: I told you we needed to mass-produce the Big Zam, did you listen? No! Now look what happened?! Ugh, should of went with Zenna and Mineva and had someone else pilot the Big Zam.
I would also add Gihren wasting the Solar Ray during the Battle of A Baoa Qu just to kill his father to prevent him from ending the war via peaceful negotiation should also be added to this list.
Hot take: the GM. On paper the humble GM fucking dominates every mass production suit zeon has. Even the Gelgoog is slower than a GM, and it's armor is worthless against the beam spray gun, thus it cannot be efficient since it will inevitably get out maneuvered and shot down. The only reason we see GMs die so much is because it's Mobile Suit Gundam, not mobile suit GM. What's aggravating is that Sunrise is now embracing the concept of the GM being so impotent that in recent stuff like thunderbolt its beam gun just pings off of things. People will often say that the Zeon's MS is like the Wehrmacht while Feddie stuff is like the allies. The thing most wehraboos don't understand is the vast majority of nazi shit sucked.
I think that's the point though. Zeon is the Wehrmacht. Facing a huge strategic disadvantage, crippling manpower shortage, political infighting, production difficulties, and rushing underdeveloped / non functional prototypes to the front lines.
@@DarthFaded80 however we don't see the nonfunctional or underdeveloped part. Zeon war machines run on meth and dreams, and even suits that have been sitting in the jungles for decades still work somehow
You know, I wish Zeon units were shown using everything but Ms or using prewar equipment since that would bring another nqzi parallel. What was one of the most important tanks of the Wehrmacht early on? The Panzer 38t, captured from the Czechs and saw service on all fronts along with variants. Without the prewar equipment and cash seized from Austria to Czechoslovakia, Hitler wouldn't have accomplished anything past 1938-39 (when his money would've run out. You think the Polish invasion was for land? Nah, it was the Polish gold reserves!) Zeon should've been shown as that, depending on even more shit equipment with Zakus, let alone the more advanced shit, being rarer than a blue moon. Meaning that once the GM is mass produced, everything that isn't a Zeon oh so special ace with infinite plot armor is fucking dead as the GM honestly can handle almost everything Zeon throw at it and turn it to scrap in one shot
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck It would also act as a reminder that while MS' are important part of battle, they aren't the end all that they've morphed into nowadays. Remember Odessa wasn't won by Mobile Suits, it was won the old way
Actually he forgot one zobie they forgot about the youngest son that try to win over a woman's heart and marry her that sure had a hand in killing because he wanted to impress his older sister
Their logistics were crap! You can't keep producing Wonder weapons and hope that you win the war with them! The Federation GM is proof that a good mass-produced to be the backbone of you mailed fist is a good thing!
I Dont think the default GM was all that good, it having the Beam Spray Gun helps though. the reason it succeeded isnt because it was the better suit, its that where Zeon kept making new suits Zaku, Gouf, Dom, Gelgoog, Amphib suits) The Federation took the GM and made variants (Aqua GM, GM Cannon, GM Sniper. A Zeon Ace has the chance to go to a stronger Gelgoog, but because he's more familiar with the Zaku, he stays with the Zaku. A Feddy Ace has the chance to go to a specialized GM, steps in, and its the same controls, just different toys. The United Maintenance Plan not being enacted sooner is IMO the biggest dagger that hurt them.
@@GerardoSantana right a standardized core design did go along way and infact a key factor why the Fed won. Like for example modern smart phone and pc. Sure you can spec your device to a specific need like gaming, design, art, etc. But in the end of the day it still have a same interface, O.S, components. No one have to learn or buy any thing new if you switch from a gaming device to a work station, the only different is each models have something they do best and nothing more
@@GerardoSantana The default GM shares 80% of its parts with the Gundam. The parts it lost were the armor, sensors, 1 beam saber, and the core fighter block. GM stands for Gundam Mass Produced and even then its armor matches the Dom's and its weapons can one shot any mobile suit. The GM is actually fucking awesome. Issue is its Mobile Suit Gundam. Not Mobile Suit GM. People rationalize it with the "Muh Zeon Aces" line but the number of zekes who had taken on a mobile suit and lived by the time the GM rolled out could be counted on one hand. You can't be good at something you've never had to do. A better rationalization is that the Gundam ends up in the most brutal and hard environments so the GMs dying is the same as all the Zeke suits around them also dying, since it's so brutal and all that. Anyway GM good.
Oh yeah, Zeon’s logistics were straight crap and to add insult to injury when they did become aware of this, and tried to enact the united maintenance plan. At that point the war was on the verge of ending in Zeon would’ve noticed this folly much earlier in the war they could’ve won which is a prime example of You Wait long you wait wrong.
3 main reasons why Zeon lost the one year: 1. They failed to kill Amuro before he grows even stronger as a pilot. 2. Too many infightings in Zeon upper ranks. 3. Char's traitorous behavior
A honestly much needed update to the original video, which was already great on it's own right. Funny enough the original video is how I even found your channel
In truth Zeon was going to fight a up hill war against the Earth Federation because it’s economic strength wasn’t on par with its rival(a weak war economy can break any fighting force will to continue to fight if their families are suffering back home), it relied on secret or super weapons to turn the tides of the war (making mobile suits a fixture of the military structure was impressive, but there were to many models and not enough resources to create them all), its population was no near what was need to fight a interstellar war (make no mistake that without the manpower need to fill their armed forces they will not be able to win no matter what), but it was its lackluster leadership that was always willing to backstab each other for a better position or glory (the Zabi family create to many rivalries among themselves to effectively fight against the Federation). All these reasons were bad enough alone, but Char made it worse more significantly because of his personal need for revenge against the Zabi family.
It was enough to fight an interstellar war.. it was not enough to fight a planetside war. You dont need to hold territory in space, you do need to hold and control territory planetside. You can ship resources easaly through space, its a big place and finding convoys to raid or supply lines to disrupt is nearly impossible in space, not so much on a planet though. Zeon should have blockaded earth from space, place weapons/ships in high orbit to shoot down any vessel trying to leave the planet. Siege Earth to surrender since it was stated in the lore that earth was no longer self sustaining and was bleeding the colonies dry of resources.
Thank you for reuploading and remastering this video! I love the original one and you really cleaned it up nicely with your present style of editing, but I do miss the clip you had before with Revil saying Zeon is exhausted in his speech, though that could be the thing that might have flagged your video though. Also, you can’t really call Char a traitor if he never was on the Zabi’s side in the first place! And I personally love Mobile Suit Gundam-san’s “retelling” of Gihren’s assassination, in which he asked Kycilia to scratch the back of his head with her gun and grabbed it when she didn’t get the spot, accidentally discharging a shot!
I've chatted with some people who feel that Zeon couldn't have won even if Chars attack on Side 7 had been completely successful in taking out the Gundam and Whitebase, which would undo a few of these later problems, too. Might be interesting to cover as a "What if" scenario.
At the beginning of the battle of Odessa, the GMs were already operational, and the attrition war was already lost by Zeon. Even if Zeon somehow could win the first battle, without reinforcements they would not survive a second wave.
Betting on prototypes and experiments to win the war, exhausted soldiers, nonexistent war supplies, outdated military equipment, posturing, and inexperienced pilots. Sounds familiar.
Zeon is a completely tragic faction as it started for a genuine desire for freedom only to by high jacked when Deikun was murdered then formed into a dictatorship that got the fledgling nation into a protracted conflict it didn't have the resources for whose end choked out any hope for ANY colony to have full freedom from the Federation. Frankly if it were not for the damn Zabis Zeon could have very well forged a path that other colonies could have followed without a war at best and at worst a more winnable war or one that could have resulted in forcing the federation into a spot where they had to at least them more autonomy. Why I like the UC time the events are very realistic and very much like things that have happen in real life which makes it a richer story.
Won't lie... If I had the choice I'd still pilot the Zaku 2 all the way through the war. It was reliable, inexpensive, and very very adaptable! And was able to use a multitude of weapons!
Very interesting video, but there are a few things to consider: While I can agree that the loss of Odessa had a negative impact in the Zeon forces, don't forget the infamous claim from M'Quve about him already having shipped enough resources for Zeon to fight for another 10 years. The short extras included with the 08th Team DVDs even make it sound more heroic, saying that he didn't gave up the base until he had finished shipping every last resource shipment to the Zeon homeland. I'm actually inclined to think that what M'Quve said wasn't all BS, since Axis Zeon did had LOTS of resources to spare, allowing them to make all of their MS with Gundarium Gamma, mass produce transformable units like the Gaza C & D, and eventually even the 4th generation models like the Doven Wolf The MAHQ profiles even go as far as claiming that both, the Geymalk and Quin Mantha, were classified as mass production units. In fact, it's easy to pinpoint Axis/1st Neo Zeon's main problem being the abysmal skills of most of their pilots, rather than their equipment: with the exception of the ZZ Gundam, most of their machines seemed better than anything used by the AEUG or Titans of similar tier (cost efficient mass production units & high spec prototypes). They also created both huge warships like the Sadalah and Gwadan (which some sources claim may have been as large as over 1km long) and many ships like the Endra, essentially a mass produced Argama/Pegasus class that even had a Minvoksy Craft system to operate on Earth, a rarity at the time, which again suggests that they did have ample resources to go through. We could go further into non-animated works, such as Sentinel, which adds another Gwadan class ship and the huge Zodiack MA. Gundam Side Stories (PS3) adds a second Quin Mantha unit deployed by Glemy's forces remnants. Lastly, isn't it by now considered that the events of the movie trilogy are the canon continuity, in which White Base didn't made it in time to participate in Operation Odessa? I assumed that the 3rd episode of MS Igloo 2 might have been intended as a sort of replacement for the now void Elran betrayal plot, instead now having a double agent: an EF soldier that pretended to defect to Zeon, yet was actually still providing intelligence to the EF. This is the very man that Arleen (the pilot of the new Guntank variant introduced) sought and eventually killed in her suicide attack, but only learning the truth from the season's "death god" after their demise. I'll comment on the other points separately, since doing otherwise could result in a huge wall of text.
Big respect for the effort on the remastered, but I can't read the title with a straight face because it sounds like a in-universe conspiracy theory video. 😅
Zeon lost the war the moment that General Revil escaped their captivity. Even though Zeon murdered half of humanity's population, the EFF had an overwhelming manpower advantage, industrial base, and resources. Once they started producing the GM and ran Zeon back into space, it was the final nail in the coffin.
Yep. This is also shown pretty clearly at the end of Code Fairy, where even after the Noisy Fairy team (a trio of Aces) had joined up with what remained of Zeon's forces on Earth at Cape Canaveral Base, it was very clear to everyone there that they would be fighting solely to survive until the war officially ended. They knew that if the war didn't end, then they would eventually just get overwhelmed by sheer numbers and be wiped out entirely, even with units like Mia's Dom Gnomides, Helena's Efreet Jaeger, & Alma's Titania. They all knew that Zeon had lost the war, and at that point they were simply fighting to survive (which they succeeded at doing). Even with high-end units like the Nosy Fairy team's mobile suits, they knew that it was only a matter of time before they were overwhelmed. ....It also didn't help that Gihren tried to have the Noisy Fairy team killed off just to spite Kycilia (as the Nosy Fairy team was one of her "babies"), while they were still in the middle of a war! Not only that, but the team consisted entirely of Ace pilots, which Zeon was running short on by that stage of the war, and once of them (Alma) even happened to be a Newtype! And yet Gihren still wanted the trio dead out of spite (and the team's commander was also an Ace pilot in her own right, so that was a total of *FOUR* Aces that Gihren was trying to get killed out of pure spite.
One thing that interested me about the Battle of Loum is that, out of 3000 Zaku sent into that fight, none was lost? The story was that every single Federation ship was killed by one attack by the Zaku, while they couldn't touch the Zaku at all. I was like, no way. And yes, it was fake news from Zeon. They probably lost 1000+ Zaku, just never reported it. While Zaku was next generation weapons in that fight, they weren't indestructible. Particle cannon shots from the Federation ships must have killed many of them.
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The original video was unfortunately taken down for copyright reasons. The script of this remastered version has remained largely the same (tiny corrections and rephrasings), but the voice recording and editing have all been redone.
Thank you! Hope you're enjoying it making more videos!
Just got a P-Bandai Fawn Farsia, looking forward to building it!
Damn, youtube strikes again.
TH-cam for no reason :
Thanks for the extra effort, big fan of your work!
Tho i hope youtube doesn't get tilted again, with the thumbnail this time lmao.
Reason 1 - Amuro is born
Reason 2 - Bright punches Amuro
Reason 3 - Ryu punches Amuro
Reason 4 - They establish newtypes as a concept
Reason 5 - Amuro is a newtype
Pretty much
Amuro is basically a gundam😂
3:44 "I have never even once betrayed anyone, Haman."
He's right. Quattro Bajeena never betrayed anyone.
But Char Aznable is the one who does it.
And neither did Casval Rem Deikun.
if you see yourself as having never been on their side to start with it's not betrayal
@@kevinyoung9540 I personally think that Casval Rem Deikun died long before they even got to Texas Colony.
@@boxtank5288 And Edouard Mass died in a ship explosion "accident" that was not definitely staged by the Zabis. Weird how they look the same as Char Aznable, you might mistake them the other way around if they changed clothes or something.
@@saltwater7366 Yes, indeed. What a coincidence!
Reminder: If ANYTHING goes wrong in Zeon. ALWAYS BLAME M'Quve.
At which point he could be perceived as the greatest war asset... For the Earth Federation XD
Don’t blame that Char guy though. He’s done nothing wrong ever ( especially betrayal)
@@adamntcaponewholikesbigcoo1749 Char told it himself, he never betrayed anyone XD
@@Fayheurblode exactly I’ll trust unlike mostly everyone else
@@adamntcaponewholikesbigcoo1749 Humm… Not too sure it is wise to trust him though… I think it is more semantic rather than true loyalty… As in « How can I betray a side I was never a part of to begin with ? »
Putting badly trained teenagers in state of the art mobile suits worked out well for the Federation
It did indeed, because by the time that the Gelgoog was ready for deployment the federation at that point had became more adept at deployment, and in Mobile Suit combat if they still would’ve had a number of aces at their disposal, the war possibly could’ve had a different result
That's thanks to the learning computer system built into the GM.
Fed kids > Zeon kids, simple as 😤😤😤
I mean.. not every teen is basically a demi-god compared to normal humans piloting something that makes most other if not a majority of other mobile suits look like paper..
Really shoulda thought about that dom choice huh zeon?
@@CosmoShidan I was pretty sure only the RX-79-2 had that? Unless I'm wrong, which I'll gladly be if proven because GM's with learning computers would make me really happy
Fun Fact: In one of the Dynasty Warriors: Gundam games (I think 3, not sure), there's a mission where you play as Emma in the Gundam Mk. II in a simulation of Dozle getting more resources. There are indeed multiple Big Zams in the mission, and Emma even says "With this many Big Zams, Zeon could have won the One Year War."
i think that’s from DWG2
It was DW: Gundam 2.
I remember it in Reborn at any rate.
Hey look, Big Zam
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IMO, it wasn't just the Zabi sibling rivalry that contributed to Zeon's defeat, but also the infighting and rivalry amongst Zeon's other senior officers. A good example is the rivalry between Ginias Sahalin and Yuri Kellarny in the 8th MS Team.
Gihren basically pushed for that mentality I believe, a la Hitler, which caused the likes of leaders like them and the guy from War in the Pocket
Whatever the Federation's internal problems, they had the good sense to put them on the backburner, or at least cover them as military justice in the case of 08th MS Team, until the end of the war rather than the near open conflict in Zeon
@@BlackOps05 pretty much
Not to mention as much as a jackass as Ryer was for his actions in the finale, his at least had pragmatic reasons, as dickish as they were regarding having that GM Sniper shoot down Shiro and before that shoot down that escaping civilian transport
Where as Killing of Zeon straight up sent a team in to die and then decides “To hell with the treaties of war Zeon agreed to, let’s nuke this entire colony regardless of even the team I just threw in there being undermanned and armed to begin with, all hail Gihren!”
Even their respective deaths show their acknowledgement of their screw ups:
Ryer realized he should have paid more attention to the mobile armor then Shiro and accepted death when it blew up his command center
Killing offed himself in front of a giant picture of Gihren rather then face punishment for planning to use a nuclear weapon, be it by Zeon or Federation forces
It also says a lot about the people under them, Ryer’s men followed his orders, though some accepted while others where against him like Kojima
We see nothing to indicate until after the war is over and Bernie’s dead that Killing’s plan to nuke the colony was gonna fail, indicating his direct subordinates were right alongside him in saying “Screw the treaties, all hail Gihren!” and all for nuking a metric ton of civilians
@@arashitendou5941 Don't forget that Killing always wanted Side 7 nuked. It's why he assigned a rookie like Bernie to the infiltration team so their chances wouldn't improve.
My headcanon for this is Gihren knew even if Zeon won, Side 7 would always be a thorn in his side and told his generals to look for a way to legally destroy it.
@@wdcain1 that’s one way to look at it
This also brings to mind a factor that points a difference to Degwin’s point of Gihren being like Hitler
Hitler inspired fear in his military officers and generals
Such was the case behind the fact he hates being woken up very early, so when they needed the REQUIRED (by order of Hitler only himself) to deploy their most recent and advance tanks during the war
Everyone was to scared to wake him up so early to get the approval to deploy them
Gihren on the other hand inspired such insane levels of worship/simping in his forces they went to the murderous and disgusting levels of actions like Killing and Delza
With the fact that Delza was able to get Gato to follow along, leading many to forget Gato served under Dozle so why would HE simp for Gihren’s ideals which are nothing of the military comradely that was one of Dolze’s few positives?
The war was over after the first month. The Zeons had the element of surprise and a new type of weapon that allowed them to make a lot of gains in the early weeks of the war, but they'd never be able to out-produce the Earth Federation which means that they had no hope of outlasting them. As soon as they allowed themselves to get bogged down into a stalemate they'd already lost, and it was just a matter of time before that loss became undeniable.
The Earth Federation had one overwhelming resource Zeon lacked and that was manpower. Dropping a colony served only to drive angry young men and women into the armed forces. After all, while the initial response would have been fear, fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate.
To be fair the Jion only planned to blitzkreg to victory. Considering the Jion attacked on multiple fronts simultaneously they looked like they had the overwhelming force to take on and take out Earth as well as cower any sides that chose to be earth's side. They NEVER imagined that things would go to #$#@$ so badly. Losing was never even ON their radar, even as Jion forces were pushed off earth. The fact that Giren willingly blew away his own father and his forces just to get at one of the Fed fleets shows how delusional and indifferent the Jion high command was to the situation that they never considered failure.
@@Zergonapal newtype sith when
this bears a close resemblance to nazi germany attacking the USSR
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I don't think they would have had any chance at all without the colony drop.
It's like Iceland trying to invade the US. Even in a scenario where the US armed forces had languished in corruption and disoranization, and where Iceland were one generation ahead in military technology and had the world's most brilliant commanders, the difference in scale just makes the whole endeavour ridiculous on its face.
One key reason that was mentioned was that Zeon needed to hit hard and fast, make the Feds soil themselves and force a surrender. However they appeared to be revelling in what they did and missed the "force a surrender" bit.
Very true, take Operation British for an example.
It was overly cruel, needlessly bloody, and a waste of resources that caused the death of billions of people for nothing. It wasn’t like they were reacting to the Federation, at that point in time Zeon was independent and while there were tensions, they were not at war yet. They went for a spectacle attack, one meant to strike fear but in the end it failed in that objective and it caused them to waste their energy, manpower, and resources (see General Revel’s Zeon is Exhausted speech). There comes a point when you cause too much fear that you back your enemy into a corner and they fight all the harder, and they drove the Federation to this point.
A sneak attack against the Federation space assets and naval yards, then use the threat of a colony drop to get their demands would have worked better, removing both their opponents from space and securing their own resources.
@@Gomjibar if I’m taking your example correctly, what your basically describing is what they should have done is more in line to how OZ and then later White Fang took down the Earth Alliance and Romafeller respectively
Hide within the other or at least the shadows and then strike when their guards down with your superior weapons and mobile suits
With your leading officials secretly gaining control of key points, a la how White Fang stole Libra
@@Gomjibar yeah, but had not Revil managed to get back to Federal space in time, the Antarctic treaty would have been much more favorable to Zeon… It was about to be signed when Revil made his speech, after all
@@Gomjibar I have to disagree: in the Gihren's Greed games a successful colony drop on Jaburo is essentially a deathblow to the EF, and considering that is precisely where they rebuilt their space fleet, not to mention development & mass production of many of their MS, it was a very logical course of action. This is why even after the war moved to Earth, Zeon devoted a lot of resources trying to find Jaburo, periodically bombing the region and producing MS specifically designed for attacking it.
And let's not forget that in 0087 the AEUG tries a similar approach against the EF/Titans by invading Jaburo, but the Titans had anticipated the move and weeks in advance had relocated the more valuable assets to other bases such as New Guinea and later Kilimanjaro, leaving a husk of old MS as the base defenses and preparing nuclear weapons to wipe out the AEUG.
I can agree that it ended up being quite bloody (though it seems that in itself has been nerfed more and more overtime, going from initially both sides using nukes and Zeon gassing many colonies, to neither side using nukes and Zeon only gassing the colony for the Operation), though the only alternative to using a colony might have been using an asteroid instead, but factors such as the shape of the asteroid or options for placing thrusters that allowed to adjust its trajectory might have made a colony their best choice to actually hit the specific region.
They also tried to occupy the Earth, giving up the one real advantage they had of being at the top of a gravity well.
I still love how graphic Kycilia’s death was, her head being blown off and her arm flying by one of the Zeon soldiers was both over the top and somewhat cathartic
I've always wanted to see an AU where Revel didn't escape, so the EF surrenders. Mostly because with the fractious nature of Zeon, a Zeonic civil war is basically sure to happen within a few months. I don't think Zeon was nearly as prepared for a total victory as they thought they were.
There would indeed be a civil war and it would also culminate in the lost of nearly every colony in space because of it. Zeon would destroy themselves from within.
@@BeyondDaX Not really, because Girhen would have had forced the earth's remaining 2 billion people to move into the destroyed colony clusters, set up new space nations, and then begin a series of new wars in the name of "population control" and "national security" in the end.
0:54 It is a bummer we never see Hamon Crowley make an appearance in Build Fighters show as Mr. Ral's wife.
Where she could have been a part of the Gunpla Police dealing with Gunpla Mafia.
Well he was simping for Rinko so sadly I think in build fighters he is single
I always wonder how did Ramba gain so much weight in such a short time. From Origin to the Original series he seems to have gained alot of weight. Earth's gravity perhaps?
@@dustybunny6716 don’t be fooled all that extra bulk is muscle
@@scarletrain6757 “This is no fat, boy! No fat!”
@@dustybunny6716 he may have been chowing down… but he didn’t neglect his daily training and now he’s quite the beast on the battlefield in and out of the cockpit
To be honest, I feel like the greatest reason Zeon lost the war...beyond any singular event, beyond any battle, is something we see in the very first episode.
And then it happens again and again, constantly.
You partially touched on it, especially mentioning the Zabi family... but betrayal, disobedience, and personal ambition was the largest issue that plagued the Principality during the war on all levels and led to it's pitiful demise at the final battle.
From the Zaku pilot Gene disobeying orders to fire on Side 7, leading to Amuro entering his father's Gundam...
To "losing" vital mobile suits to hide their illicit deeds, leading to death of Ramba Ral and the loss of his elite forces.
To the various assassins and power plays between the Zabi family...
To General Reval being freed by Zeon traitors working with Federation agents...
To Char Anzable *in general!*
Betrayal is what created The Principality of Zeon, fitting that it would also be what destroyed it.
It's like pottery, it rhymes.
I love the singling out of Char as just he in general
@@Sigismund697 The man flips sides like he's a goddamned dolphin performing tricks.
As you said, it's what created the Principality. The Zabis created the culture of duplicity and totally soiled a cause against an otherwise corrupt and abusive enemy.
@@shiftfire4511 while watching Origins and seeing how he gasligthed Garma into the Dawn Rebellion I thought "wow... he is one of the main causes of a war that killed around half of the human population- but it doesn´t feel out of character because of HOW MUCH he hates both side"....
and I think that describes Char very well(?
I am still glad you call Zeon out for wasting too many resources on new machines. They should have simply continued improving on a core design.
They needed a major change from the Zaku, since the Zaku wasn't really built for anti-mobile-suit combat (being designed at a time when the EFF didn't have mobile suits.) The definitely didn't need as many new types of suits as they got, though. I get the impression that a lot of Zeon's top decision-makers were glory-hounds, and they all wanted to be responsible for their own new mobile suit type.
@@mightyrobot42 A core design, not a single mobile suit. A large majority of their newer machines were specialist designs suited to specific types of engagements. That idea has its merits, but it meant they never had enough machines and pilots had to continue to learn new combat tactics.
For example a Zaku pilot used to the rifles and bazookas would have to relearn new tactics for the close combat Gouf and then learn new tactics for the high speed Dom and so on.
But if they instead focused on a Zaku 3 at the time(not the one we got years later) that was better tailored for anti-mobile suit combat, then later on the Gelgoog, which was the same generalist design idea and wouldn't have needed new training and wouldn't be limited to specific theaters.
It wouldn't matter either way. They could never match the federation on an industrial scale.
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck They didn't need to. They would have performed better by focusing on a core group of well trained pilots using standardized high performance machines rather than a handful of prototypes and large amounts of grunts.
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That's the exact same thing the federation was doing.
They just wouldn't have the industrial power of resources to sustain themselves
#6: Zeon's leadership sabotaging each other. From Gihren leaking Noisy Fairy's HQ to the Federation, Dozle not receiving any support at Solomon, and Adm. Killing screwing over Operation Rubicon, Zeon's leadership fought each other more then the EFSF.
4:12 Char gave Kycilia the heads up
I never noticed he popped her head.
I always felt that had Zeon relied on swarm tactics, they would have won. The Zaku line was cheap and versatile. Even if it was all just cannon fodder, numbers overwhelm
Especially early on when the Federation didn't have as many GM's or Gundam type units, if they spent more time with a higher production of fewer model types (stick to Zaku II, Dom and eventually Gelgoog), then they probably would have won no problem. Instead they dedicated a lot of resources to nich experimental machines, while powerful, aren't going to win a battle by themselves and is more expensive than just a team of experienced Zaku pilots. The GM was also cheap, but its numbers, gundam combat data and pilots now privy to Zeon tactics let them slap the crap out of the zeeks like no tomorrow. It's poetic how Zeon always loses due to hubris or infighting, if command were more competent they'd absolutely have a system wide empire.
@@ORLY911 precisely. Hail Zeon, freedom to the space born!
This was basically how the AEUG defeated the Titans. Blitz tactics, hit and run.
they used basically blitzkreg their way to victory. They thought that by pretending to have overwhelming force the could cower Earth and every colony on their side into surrender. but the thing is they never had the production or numbers to keep up swarm tactics, esp after the Jion were trounced from Earth and now Federation bent all resoures and production into building a counterattack. Jion had destroyed places like Side 4 whose numbers and resources could have aided the cause because they just assumed they would win. Even as the tide went against Jion, they kept acting and fighting like they could turn things around......
and the thing is numbers can only do SO much in the face of overwhelming firepower. Jion didn't have the power to keep up by time Side 3 was surrounded....
Main issue is they lacked the numbers. The Zaku has much shorter range so it needed carriers in order to survive. Thus the federation could simply destroy the zeon fleet and pick off pilots once they run out of fuel.
The bit with Zeon's overreliance on superweapons is yet another of 0079's baked in World War II references. Just like Nazi Germany, Zeon starts in a strong position with surprise attacks using advanced weapons (the Zaku and Panzer tank series, respectively), but soon starts to get bogged down in an attrition game. Then they end up blowing the last of their very finite resources on high quality prototypes that are great tactical resources, but are a net strategic loss due to their low numbers and lack of standardization. Meanwhile their opponents are late to the party, but by the time they arrive they're churning out unremarkable but very functional weapons (GMs in the one case and Shermans and T-34s in the other) by the literal boatload, and in an attrition game there's no beating that.
Resources weren't the issue, as by the time of Operation Odessa they had enough raw materials stockpiled to keep the war going for years. The issue was manpower; the Federation had a much greater population. This is seen in the battle of A'boa Qu, when most of their Gelgoogs were being piloted by novices because they ran out of experienced pilots. In fact they needed the superweapons because they needed their smaller pool of soldiers to do more.
Except, in stark contrast to Nazi Germany's wunderwaffen, the Zeon "superweapons" are *extremely* effective. However expensive they were in terms of resources, the viewer is given the impression that the Federation would've been screwed without Amuro around to take them on in a machine capable of matching them. Think of Lalah's Elmeth, Dozle's Big Zam or Char in the Zeong shredding their way through Federation cruisers effortlessly until Amuro intervenes.
That's an antiquated myth. Germany in the first year of ww2 started out with the humble panzer 2 tank, panzer 3, and early models of the panzer 4 with short barrelled howitzer guns as their main gun. The Tiger 1 was still in the blueprint stage looking more like a heavier armored panzer 4 than the design it would have in 1942. In fact it was actually the allies at this time that had the more heavily armoured tanks. The only technological advantage Germany had was that all their tanks were equipped with radios.
Also I wouldn't call the Sherman that had frontal armour similar to a german heavy tank and an incredibly versatile tank that could handle pretty much every situation that was thrown at it unremarkable, nor would I call the T-34 the tank whose very existence put German tank development in shambles allowing for the production of more and more unreliable overburdened tanks like the panther, tiger 2, among other things an unremarkable tank.
Nearly all of the stuff mentioned here are Very Axis Issues,
Bad Intel, Bad Logistics, Over Reliance on experimental Weaponry, Infighting, poor tactical and strategic decisions ect are WW2 Axis Mistakes.
@@coryfice1881its also similar here too, Zeon started out with the Zaku I and II which by Mecha standards are like the Panzer II and III but after a while (IRL after facing the T-34 and in Gundam meeting well the Gundam) they switched gears to Experimental weaponry.
You're a lot nicer to M'Quve than the previous video.
Still, doesn't change the fact that M'Quve was the MVP for the Earth Federation.
so M’Quve is Harry Maguire of Zeon?
oh no, my side is getting too close to my illicit mine, I must sabotage my side to keep it hidden! oh wait, the enemy found and destroyed it anyway!
I would say M'Quve was the indirect Phil Jackson to Amuro being Jordan.
Zeon didn't loose. They just haven't won yet
The last time Zeon was heard from was I think Mars Zeon which was… F91 time?
To adapt an often-used quote: "Real Contolism has never been tried"
Lose*
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Mars Zeon never has any real impact on the Universal Century. It gets taken down in U.C. 0091 by ReZeon Legion, a rebel army that ironically wants independence from their fascistic regime. Commander Charles Rochester recovers the troop enough to fight the Feds by the F91 video game set in U.C. 0122, but he and his army get wiped out, eventually becoming lackeys for the Crossbone Vanguard as they hijack the plot.
AoZ Re-Boot: Gundam Inle states that Mars Zeon continues existing into the U.C. 0150s, still fighting the ReZeon to get back whatever little influence it still has on Mars. By Gundam Crossbone: Dust, "Zabi Zeon" ends up just one space state fighting other space states. Zeon ideology of the OG Principality has rarely been spoken of since the F91 movie, meaning it's practically dead.
@@manat31790 huh, good to know though it still means that some remnant of Zeon persists no matter how absolutely tiny
1:35 I believe the most likely game result for Ral with his Doms is that Amuro and possibly the Gundam escape but the rest of white base's suits are captured or destroyed along with the ship itself.
Either way, Zeon wins the biggest victory needed to ensure they can crush the Federation (sure GM spam is still an issue BUT it isn't unwinnable at that point as without the Amuro Data, the pilots will be working at square 1. Likewise if Amuro escapes but the base is scuttled, there goes a valuable asset.
This specific game event in threat of axis sees the gundam destroyed and the white base captured by Ramba Ral, i think you even get to use it afterwards as zeon. Funny thing is.. if you give Ramba the Doms you will loose points on the Order/chaos axis the game has and drift closer to chaos.. wich is bad because being far into chaos means kycillia and Garma (if hes still alive at that point wich you can influence by not resuplying Char after his first encounter with the gundam... wich also nets you chaos points btw) will rebel against you during the OYW. And considering that you only have 100 turns to finish the OYW (you got unlimited turns afterwards for the events of Z, ZZ and chars counter attack) thats basically an unwinnable situation.
However if you follow the events of the different shows like the main series, 8th ms team and so on.. you get alot of prototype MS and order points.. but you loose allmost all of your Ace pilots cause they get killed off. So its allmost never worth it going the canon route even if you have to eat those chaos points, since the MS that you get in return are quickly outdated.. but the Ace pilots will last you the entirety of your playthrough if they survive. Good thing you can recover by not doing evil shit like plundering or using nukes XD
@@boxtank5288 If they needed the data that bad White Base wouldn't have been fucking around the globe like it was. Proabbaly why some people think Wakkein may have transmitted the data as far back as the White Base getting to Luna 2.
@@Hartzilla2007 Perhaps. Also they kinda needed more data, all they had at Luna 2 was how it fared in SPACE (and in colonies), Earth and it's multitude of environments is more a wildcard. (Also because Feddies be kinda dicks considering they didn't get the civilians off White Base back at Luna 2)
I think Tomino cleverly based Zeon on the German Nazi strategy of coming up with new advanced tanks like the Panther & Tigere etc. there’s actually a documentary about experimental Nazi military weapons, most of which were never mass produced or had limited production. Contrast that to the Russians who had the T34 tank which was just tough enough to get the job done and super cheap enough that they could produce them in incredible quantities and overwhelm the enemy.
You NEED air superiority , and ocean superiority. Everything else can be handled by having 1 million Zakus lol
I've heard that many Nazi wunderwaffe toys were also being built by multiple competing corporations at the expense of the government. This seems to be reflected in Zeon as well: Zimmad threw out MS designs to try and displace Zeonic's MS dominance, only succeeding with the Dom, while MIP cranked out dumb MAs (and the Z'Gok).
I've been in a WW2 war machines binge when watching the Dark Documents and Dark Skies channels and yeah, Zeon really acted like German development during the war
1: German tanks are not particularly more capable than any of their counterparts.
2: the T34 is NOT a cheap tank. It was produced in large numbers, but not without great cost. Where the t34 suffered was in the loss of capability and ease of maintenance due to production flaws.
The T34 wasn't cheap. It was just crappy
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If that were the case the transmission on every mobile suit after the zaku would be made of paper mache
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck it was cheaply made because as I understand it, USSR prioritized volume in production not quality or durability. Military historians in documentaries said it was very hastily and haphazardly ,with a few parts as possible, built because they produced them at immense speed. All of that resulted in cost savings compared to a Sherman or Panzer.
The point about the experimental suits made me think.
Imagine being a Zeek MS mechanic. Every week you're asked to carry out maintenance on a brand new machine you've never seen before.
In Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin, it was Kycilia who secretly arranged General Revil's "escape". From what I understand, she did this because: 1) she wanted to prolong the war, and 2) she hated her siblings for the way they treated her over the years.
oof...dooming the cause over greed and petty revenge
origins is a separate continuity.
good ideas yes but Gundam Origins does conflict with cannon and that's why ge doesn't use them a ton for some of these videos. Though not suprised Kacyila did that even in the One Year War Novel I think she helps Char and the White Base crew sneak onto Side 3 to take Gerin out.
Pretty much the reason why The Zabis engineered General Revil’s escape Is because they knew that if the war would have dragged on Zeon would lose under the thumb of attrition Because their natural resources are only 1/30 Of the Federation so by prolonging the war this would make an invasion of the earth Paramount because if they were able to seize large portions of the planet then they would have access to the resources they need it to be able to fight the war for as long as they need but also on the Federation side of things they new that Zeon was lacking in this regard and gave his famous speech and this was one of the reasons as to why the federation agreed to the Antarctic Treaty because even though Zeon had The tactical advantage of Mobile Suits However strategically their armed forces And resources weren’t as numerous as the Federation and in the later stages of the war this will come back on them.
I know that in the original MSG series Revil actually escaped because Zeon traitors switches sides. In Gundam the origin this is changed to the Zabis letting him go so he pushes for a ceasefire but instead he calls for more war.
Letting Char back into the military was a terrible idea, but I think the damage had already been done at that point. During Char's betrayal of Garma, Char had a fix on the White Base, but instead, chose to stab poor Garma in the back. If Char hadn't decided on that moment as the prime moment for revenge, or if Char was just some Zeon grunt, Garma would've gotten the drop on the White Base and not the other way around. With the White Base out of the picture, even if Amuro escapes, without a base to operate from, he'll be captured in time and a lot of Zeon pilots and infrastructure would've been saved and could've been used later in the war. Or the capture of White Base could have demoralized the Federation into a peace agreement.
And to put the cherry ontop: Garma was perhaps the ONLY Zabi who had nothing to do with the death of chars father and the persecution of the rest of his family by the zabis, and genuinly the only one who harbored absolutely no ill will towards char. Also if the Greed games are to be believed, Garma would eventually turn against his tyrannical brother Ghireen together with Dozle as a leader that had matured alot due to the harsh realities of war.
@@riptors9777 One could make a strong case for Dozle, too, but yeah, Garma was absolutely not involved in the Zabi's machinations. In addition to Ghiren's Greed, IIRC, Tomino himself said at some point, Degwin would have encouraged Garma to stage a coup against Ghiren with Dozle backing him. Or something like that.
@@Griffon29 And garma was not involved in any part of operation british. From all Zabis, his hands where the cleanest
yea i never understood why kycillia let Char back in after finding out his identity it never really made sense to me.i guess he was too valuable to let go
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 Yeah but she could have had him put under "protective" custody.. instead of letting him sneak around in Zeon without her knowing what his real motives where. For someone who was basically in charge of zeons secret service she didnt even question why he snuck into the military and his involvement in garmas death at all? Because he was a newtype and she wanted some?
In reference to the infighting within Zeon, Ginias Sahalin goin nuts and killing his entire research staff and killing off Yuri Kellerne....and trying to kill his sister in the end speaks volumes of this infighting among the higher ups in Zeon. Alot of Zeon's higher ups focused more on personal agendas than that of Zeon itself. Something that Haman Karn's Neo Zeon didnt pay any heed to when Glemy Toto rebelled which that too was a cause for Zeon's downfall yet again. Fortunately Char's Neo Zeon and Full Frontal's Sleeves paid well attention to but their radicalism is costed them their downfalls. Char was too done with humanity after a few decades of strife and war had ravaged humanity so bad...you can only sympathize with Char but how he goes about to change it is where he was wrong and caused his own defeat. Char's own dream and realization wouldnt come to pass until the Turn A Gundam anime's era when all of the Earth's survivors live on the moon and no longer living on the Earth.
I think the major factor for Zeon's loss was its... overly optimistic Earth invasion plans? The Federation's battleship-focused doctrine for space warfare was easily torn apart by Zeon Mobile Suits, but the same just wasn't true for atmospheric and terrestrial combat. Zeon''s technological supremacy didn't extend to their basic infantry, Federation tanks could take down Zakus when utilized correctly, and the Federation's air force was likely more effective than Zeon's who had no way to practically test their fighters from within space colonies. The huge initial gains Zeon won on Earth at the beginning fell away quickly as they stretched themselves thin operating in too many theatres concurrently, they were so contemptuous of the Feddies that they forgot the cardinal rule of warfare for millennia -- never fight a land war in Asia.
Yeah, IIRC, air superiority was really the one area where the Federation largely dominated over Zeon throughout the One Year War.
Ugh yess I've been finding this video for so long. I'm so happy you uploaded it.
People also forget just how LARGE the Federation army was. Like overwhelming large. That has to be one of the main reasons why they win most of the wars they're involved in
The One Year War (and 0083's Naval Review) is the only time we ever really see nearly the numerical might of the Federation Forces. Everything afterwards is just a fraction of the forces because the conflicts are far more isolated compared to the One Year War (at the very least, they're not a "global" conflict). But it really comes down to other groups rather than the Federation itself, besides the Second Neo Zeon War, that ends up winning later wars given the Federation, even with its numbers by then, are using far outdated equipment and whatnot.
Their forces were large but you have to remember their job is maintaining control and security across all of Earth and her colonies, not to mention Luna and the far flung outposts like Jupiter. Which means at any given time a large percentage of the force is tied down just keeping the peace.
Add to that the losses of the OYW, (and Operation Stardust) and the Federation never had the resources to fully pacify Zeon and the other spacenoid factions that emerged out of the woodwork in the aftermath. Which meant near-constant skirmishing and major wars breaking out like clockwork every few years, that while they never reached the intensity or scale of the OYW, mostly, were nonetheless damaging.
That's part of the reason the Feddie Government was so eager to make a deal with Char in CCA, because his Neo Zeon had gathered pretty much most of the remnant forces and if they disarmed it would mean a lasting peace.
It will be awesome a video talking about reasons why the federation won the one year war. Between some of those can be the use of the Gundam spare parts to create and mass produce the Gundam Ground type. The GMs, and general Revil contributions.
1:58 The closest thing a Zeon mobile suit doing the Rocket Punch attack
If you want another yet very loose example, Corin's Custom Kapool
And another cause for their defeat might have been due to their massive early successes causing them to overextend and their troops to become spread out way too thin.
Omg, there was no trust whatsoever everyone was either dog walking each other or betraying one another too. That and with your explanation that they kept relying on experimental MS to save the day and ZEON is toast! 🤣
Hey Dozal was loyal to his end
@@darkspine1052 true but was seemingly bad with logistics
The whole ‘mass produce the Big Zam’ is my point
The resources needed to both build and pilot the thing (Dozle is stated to be a rare case to be able to pilot it by himself) and with its design more an Earth side unit only makes it another ultimate waste
The only thing it truly gained in the war was killing Sledgger(?) and ensuring the escape of the rest of his bases people
Most importantly his daughter for her much future importance to both Haman and pretty much EVERYONE in Unicorn
Just goes to show you that, realistically speaking, villains who are villains purely for the sake of it are usually some of the dumbest people out there. Seriously, these people displayed all the typical behaviors of Saturday morning cartoon villains, and look where it got them.
1- A
2- M
3- U
4- R
5- O
2:05, be still my beating heart, what a beautiful sight.
Man,I love the zaku I design.
There was also the attack on side six that basically maneuvered Amuro into the cockpit of the Gundam, but not quite to the degree many would think.
Here’s some more ideas for fan made mobile suits, my first idea is the galbady gamma, the most recent unit of the galbady line, it was used in the second and third neo zeon war, it armaments were a mix of the galbady alpha and beta, with original weapons like the shade Faust. My next idea is the verken, a unit first used by the federation during the late universal century, the armaments includes a beam shield, a beam rifle, beam blades emitted from the right arm, and others. The next unit is the velzeran, a technological descendant of the Gelgoog, it can use a beam Naginata like the Gelgoog, a regular beam saber, a gyan beam saber, some beam firearms and more, like the Gelgoog Is was a versatile unit. Any ideas for a mobile suit?
I built a custom gunpla recently consisting of a HGGTO Guntank Early Type lower section, a 30MM Sub Machine exa vehicle torso and arms, a pair of four-barrel cannons from the Loto Twin set on the shoulders, a Northern Pod head (the cockpit-looking one, not the GM-looking one) and an Ez-SR backpack and radome. A lot of the changes are just cosmetic, but the idea is that it would fully adopt the "long-range" portion of the Guntank's description, remaining as far from the actual fighting as Minovsky interference would allow (with that distance being extended by the radome,) using its radome to collect sensor data that would be transmitted to allied mobile suits closer to the battle and using its shoulder-cannons to shell enemy targets (the gun-hands would be for self-defence in case an enemy managed to get past its escorting suits.) The suit would be piloted by a two-person crew (pilot and WSO) within the head and chest cockpits, while a portion of the lower "tank" section would be used as a forward command centre from which a small group of officers would coordinate the battle.
Zeon: _Trust nobody not even yourself_
I like to come back these old videos from time to time. Kakarot197 is at his best when he flexes his lore knowledge.
Great redux of the original video. Speaking of the Gelgoog, you should do a development history of the Gelgoogs.
The end result would have being different if Giren didn't decide to use Zeon's secret giant space laser to kill his own old man and the Federation representatives he was meeting to surrender as that would have end the war right there with no heavy hatred toward Zeon which would have started the whole Zeon hunt after the war ended. Also if he didn't reveal it to his sister he wouldn't have gotten headshot and still be in command of Zeon plus he can order the troops to be out of the firing range of the space laser he use to kill his old man.
The result would be zeon lost the war, which mean what they had been fightimg for nothing, and house zabi will be trial for war crime. Giren probably had a plan B if A baoa qu is lost to the fed, by having the fed losing their flag ship zeon already had won half of the war, all they need to drag the war long enough that the EFF has no other choice but to call for truce. The battle in A boa Q is very much all in from the EFF, they either win all or lost it all. Also his sister knew he kill their father she just want him to admit it in front of others so she can punish him with valid reason of treason. What would make a difference is that Giren could confined his sister for espionage to avoid his death. Would Giren turn the tide of the war? The is a chance, just remember that he is the most intelligent strategies in OYW, he probably foreseen most of the outcome of the war which probably why he had not in panic or preparing for retreat even the battle had gone south.
The zeon hunt wasn't for the colony laser, it was for what happened post-war with the gihren loyalists dropping a colony onto NA and wiping out the breadbasket, causing famine. not to mention their original target being the federation capitol.
@@kauske That's the reason? I thought it was because of the Solar System laser.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin Nope, Gihren blew up Degwin and half the Feddie fleet because he was nuts and thought he could win. Kacylia killed him for murdering their father and half over their fleet, gihren's loyalists then left the battle of aboa que and caused shit later that resulted in the formation of the Titans, which in turn began to crap on space colonies even worse than before Zeon rose up.
Basically all this because Degwin murdered casval's father and usurped power like a greedy asshole, and raised a whole family of greedy backstabbing assholes. Zeo falling apart is also why there are remnants all over, all those splinters don't really know who to follow, some followed Haman, others followed Casval when he revealed himself, some full frontal, and some waited for Mineva, belivign the Zabi's the true rulers.
It's a convoluted mess.
@@kauske If Degwin didn't pull the assassination Casaval's old man would have just went with the war option as there is no way the Feds are going to let the colony have even more independence. When that happen while Zeon would never have formed as the Feds just took control as the colonies back then don't have a proper military so the Feds just walk right through them and took control.
Y'know personally I believe if they launched the united maintenance plan earlier in the war, things might have gone a different direction in the war.
Dozle Zabi: I told you we needed to mass-produce the Big Zam, did you listen? No! Now look what happened?! Ugh, should of went with Zenna and Mineva and had someone else pilot the Big Zam.
I would also add Gihren wasting the Solar Ray during the Battle of A Baoa Qu just to kill his father to prevent him from ending the war via peaceful negotiation should also be added to this list.
But the solar ray also destroy more than half federation fleet
You got to turn this into a short and just said "not enough Big Zam" 😆
Kycillia was probably better off being in a mobile suit to escape then a ship.
holy fucking shit, I always forget how brutal Kycilia's death was, if you blink you'll miss it, but that shit went fucking HARD.
Hot take: the GM.
On paper the humble GM fucking dominates every mass production suit zeon has.
Even the Gelgoog is slower than a GM, and it's armor is worthless against the beam spray gun, thus it cannot be efficient since it will inevitably get out maneuvered and shot down.
The only reason we see GMs die so much is because it's Mobile Suit Gundam, not mobile suit GM.
What's aggravating is that Sunrise is now embracing the concept of the GM being so impotent that in recent stuff like thunderbolt its beam gun just pings off of things.
People will often say that the Zeon's MS is like the Wehrmacht while Feddie stuff is like the allies.
The thing most wehraboos don't understand is the vast majority of nazi shit sucked.
I think that's the point though. Zeon is the Wehrmacht. Facing a huge strategic disadvantage, crippling manpower shortage, political infighting, production difficulties, and rushing underdeveloped / non functional prototypes to the front lines.
@@DarthFaded80 however we don't see the nonfunctional or underdeveloped part. Zeon war machines run on meth and dreams, and even suits that have been sitting in the jungles for decades still work somehow
You know, I wish Zeon units were shown using everything but Ms or using prewar equipment since that would bring another nqzi parallel.
What was one of the most important tanks of the Wehrmacht early on?
The Panzer 38t, captured from the Czechs and saw service on all fronts along with variants.
Without the prewar equipment and cash seized from Austria to Czechoslovakia, Hitler wouldn't have accomplished anything past 1938-39 (when his money would've run out. You think the Polish invasion was for land? Nah, it was the Polish gold reserves!)
Zeon should've been shown as that, depending on even more shit equipment with Zakus, let alone the more advanced shit, being rarer than a blue moon.
Meaning that once the GM is mass produced, everything that isn't a Zeon oh so special ace with infinite plot armor is fucking dead as the GM honestly can handle almost everything Zeon throw at it and turn it to scrap in one shot
@@SudrianTales that would be so much cooler than unicorn's walking museum battle.
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck It would also act as a reminder that while MS' are important part of battle, they aren't the end all that they've morphed into nowadays.
Remember Odessa wasn't won by Mobile Suits, it was won the old way
Ramba Ral not getting his DOMs has the same energy of Steiner not proceeding with his assault.
Masterpiece of a video
I'm glad you remastered this, the old one was the first i watched from your channel and got me to subscribe
Actually he forgot one zobie they forgot about the youngest son that try to win over a woman's heart and marry her that sure had a hand in killing because he wanted to impress his older sister
As always TH-cam's copyright strikes again, glad you were able to repost the video at least.
Their logistics were crap! You can't keep producing Wonder weapons and hope that you win the war with them! The Federation GM is proof that a good mass-produced to be the backbone of you mailed fist is a good thing!
I Dont think the default GM was all that good, it having the Beam Spray Gun helps though.
the reason it succeeded isnt because it was the better suit, its that where Zeon kept making new suits Zaku, Gouf, Dom, Gelgoog, Amphib suits) The Federation took the GM and made variants (Aqua GM, GM Cannon, GM Sniper.
A Zeon Ace has the chance to go to a stronger Gelgoog, but because he's more familiar with the Zaku, he stays with the Zaku.
A Feddy Ace has the chance to go to a specialized GM, steps in, and its the same controls, just different toys.
The United Maintenance Plan not being enacted sooner is IMO the biggest dagger that hurt them.
@@GerardoSantana right a standardized core design did go along way and infact a key factor why the Fed won. Like for example modern smart phone and pc. Sure you can spec your device to a specific need like gaming, design, art, etc. But in the end of the day it still have a same interface, O.S, components. No one have to learn or buy any thing new if you switch from a gaming device to a work station, the only different is each models have something they do best and nothing more
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The default GM shares 80% of its parts with the Gundam.
The parts it lost were the armor, sensors, 1 beam saber, and the core fighter block.
GM stands for Gundam Mass Produced and even then its armor matches the Dom's and its weapons can one shot any mobile suit.
The GM is actually fucking awesome.
Issue is its Mobile Suit Gundam. Not Mobile Suit GM.
People rationalize it with the "Muh Zeon Aces" line but the number of zekes who had taken on a mobile suit and lived by the time the GM rolled out could be counted on one hand. You can't be good at something you've never had to do.
A better rationalization is that the Gundam ends up in the most brutal and hard environments so the GMs dying is the same as all the Zeke suits around them also dying, since it's so brutal and all that.
Anyway GM good.
Oh yeah, Zeon’s logistics were straight crap and to add insult to injury when they did become aware of this, and tried to enact the united maintenance plan. At that point the war was on the verge of ending in Zeon would’ve noticed this folly much earlier in the war they could’ve won which is a prime example of You Wait long you wait wrong.
3 main reasons why Zeon lost the one year:
1. They failed to kill Amuro before he grows even stronger as a pilot.
2. Too many infightings in Zeon upper ranks.
3. Char's traitorous behavior
Feel like at this rate, M'quve is just responsible for all the mistakes Zeon made during the war XD
A honestly much needed update to the original video, which was already great on it's own right. Funny enough the original video is how I even found your channel
7:40 the only reason that really matters. Because once the Big Zam is mass produced, we'll put an end to The Federation in no time!
The Principality of Zeon: "I think that I'll be.... BIG-ZAM"
That laser through the head of that one guy probably didn’t help them.
Honestly Gihren's insane desire for carnage was also a big player in Zeon loosing
In truth Zeon was going to fight a up hill war against the Earth Federation because it’s economic strength wasn’t on par with its rival(a weak war economy can break any fighting force will to continue to fight if their families are suffering back home), it relied on secret or super weapons to turn the tides of the war (making mobile suits a fixture of the military structure was impressive, but there were to many models and not enough resources to create them all), its population was no near what was need to fight a interstellar war (make no mistake that without the manpower need to fill their armed forces they will not be able to win no matter what), but it was its lackluster leadership that was always willing to backstab each other for a better position or glory (the Zabi family create to many rivalries among themselves to effectively fight against the Federation). All these reasons were bad enough alone, but Char made it worse more significantly because of his personal need for revenge against the Zabi family.
It was enough to fight an interstellar war.. it was not enough to fight a planetside war. You dont need to hold territory in space, you do need to hold and control territory planetside. You can ship resources easaly through space, its a big place and finding convoys to raid or supply lines to disrupt is nearly impossible in space, not so much on a planet though.
Zeon should have blockaded earth from space, place weapons/ships in high orbit to shoot down any vessel trying to leave the planet. Siege Earth to surrender since it was stated in the lore that earth was no longer self sustaining and was bleeding the colonies dry of resources.
Honestly, M’Quve should have his entry on this list.
Thank you for reuploading and remastering this video! I love the original one and you really cleaned it up nicely with your present style of editing, but I do miss the clip you had before with Revil saying Zeon is exhausted in his speech, though that could be the thing that might have flagged your video though. Also, you can’t really call Char a traitor if he never was on the Zabi’s side in the first place! And I personally love Mobile Suit Gundam-san’s “retelling” of Gihren’s assassination, in which he asked Kycilia to scratch the back of his head with her gun and grabbed it when she didn’t get the spot, accidentally discharging a shot!
I think this version's actually better! Good job, Vic!
I miss the Zaku activation noise between the reasons. R.I.P
In gundam vs zeta Haman's best ending she is surrounded by big zams in her quebely...I think she took Dozzle's words seriously...
loved your music taste on the OST you used.
I've chatted with some people who feel that Zeon couldn't have won even if Chars attack on Side 7 had been completely successful in taking out the Gundam and Whitebase, which would undo a few of these later problems, too. Might be interesting to cover as a "What if" scenario.
At the beginning of the battle of Odessa, the GMs were already operational, and the attrition war was already lost by Zeon.
Even if Zeon somehow could win the first battle, without reinforcements they would not survive a second wave.
Zeon Solider: "The reason we lost the war was.......we didn't mass produce The Big Zam".
DELAZ: What? Commandant Gihren has been killed in action?! Blast you all, Kycilia!
Also, not mass producing de big zam instead of building de colony cannon
"Thank God for stupid enemies"
Earth Federation General seeing Zeon forces just gloating instead of finishing off their opponents.
Pretty sure ramba ral wouldve kicked amuro's ass if he had the doms, especially since Amuro was still learning at that point.
Glad to see this back up and love the original Gundam. Great video
Betting on prototypes and experiments to win the war, exhausted soldiers, nonexistent war supplies, outdated military equipment, posturing, and inexperienced pilots. Sounds familiar.
If they decide to make a live action adaptation of Gundam, I hope it revolves around the One Year War
Zeon mobile suit engineers, "How many spikes can we fit on this mobile suit?"
Do more "5 reasons why an enemy faction lost in gundam"!
General Revil is the Charllie de Guille of one Year War.
And M'Quve was the Field Marshal Haig.
Zeon is a completely tragic faction as it started for a genuine desire for freedom only to by high jacked when Deikun was murdered then formed into a dictatorship that got the fledgling nation into a protracted conflict it didn't have the resources for whose end choked out any hope for ANY colony to have full freedom from the Federation. Frankly if it were not for the damn Zabis Zeon could have very well forged a path that other colonies could have followed without a war at best and at worst a more winnable war or one that could have resulted in forcing the federation into a spot where they had to at least them more autonomy. Why I like the UC time the events are very realistic and very much like things that have happen in real life which makes it a richer story.
Won't lie... If I had the choice I'd still pilot the Zaku 2 all the way through the war. It was reliable, inexpensive, and very very adaptable! And was able to use a multitude of weapons!
Federation as Bully Maguire: "I don't wanna fight you."
Zeon as Flash Thompson: "I don't wanna fight me either."
Very interesting video, but there are a few things to consider:
While I can agree that the loss of Odessa had a negative impact in the Zeon forces, don't forget the infamous claim from M'Quve about him already having shipped enough resources for Zeon to fight for another 10 years. The short extras included with the 08th Team DVDs even make it sound more heroic, saying that he didn't gave up the base until he had finished shipping every last resource shipment to the Zeon homeland.
I'm actually inclined to think that what M'Quve said wasn't all BS, since Axis Zeon did had LOTS of resources to spare, allowing them to make all of their MS with Gundarium Gamma, mass produce transformable units like the Gaza C & D, and eventually even the 4th generation models like the Doven Wolf The MAHQ profiles even go as far as claiming that both, the Geymalk and Quin Mantha, were classified as mass production units. In fact, it's easy to pinpoint Axis/1st Neo Zeon's main problem being the abysmal skills of most of their pilots, rather than their equipment: with the exception of the ZZ Gundam, most of their machines seemed better than anything used by the AEUG or Titans of similar tier (cost efficient mass production units & high spec prototypes).
They also created both huge warships like the Sadalah and Gwadan (which some sources claim may have been as large as over 1km long) and many ships like the Endra, essentially a mass produced Argama/Pegasus class that even had a Minvoksy Craft system to operate on Earth, a rarity at the time, which again suggests that they did have ample resources to go through. We could go further into non-animated works, such as Sentinel, which adds another Gwadan class ship and the huge Zodiack MA. Gundam Side Stories (PS3) adds a second Quin Mantha unit deployed by Glemy's forces remnants.
Lastly, isn't it by now considered that the events of the movie trilogy are the canon continuity, in which White Base didn't made it in time to participate in Operation Odessa? I assumed that the 3rd episode of MS Igloo 2 might have been intended as a sort of replacement for the now void Elran betrayal plot, instead now having a double agent: an EF soldier that pretended to defect to Zeon, yet was actually still providing intelligence to the EF. This is the very man that Arleen (the pilot of the new Guntank variant introduced) sought and eventually killed in her suicide attack, but only learning the truth from the season's "death god" after their demise.
I'll comment on the other points separately, since doing otherwise could result in a huge wall of text.
Big respect for the effort on the remastered, but I can't read the title with a straight face because it sounds like a in-universe conspiracy theory video. 😅
Damn, that headshot with the bazooka was brutal.
your ranked lists have returned?
certainly a surprise, but a welcome one.
4:38 Walter White from Breaking Bad
>"While Zeon is often hailed for its powerful experimental mobile suits (...)"
>puts the Zakrello right there
Dude...!
It's good to see this video again; I like it and the Titans video too.
Zeon lost the war the moment that General Revil escaped their captivity. Even though Zeon murdered half of humanity's population, the EFF had an overwhelming manpower advantage, industrial base, and resources. Once they started producing the GM and ran Zeon back into space, it was the final nail in the coffin.
Yep. This is also shown pretty clearly at the end of Code Fairy, where even after the Noisy Fairy team (a trio of Aces) had joined up with what remained of Zeon's forces on Earth at Cape Canaveral Base, it was very clear to everyone there that they would be fighting solely to survive until the war officially ended. They knew that if the war didn't end, then they would eventually just get overwhelmed by sheer numbers and be wiped out entirely, even with units like Mia's Dom Gnomides, Helena's Efreet Jaeger, & Alma's Titania. They all knew that Zeon had lost the war, and at that point they were simply fighting to survive (which they succeeded at doing). Even with high-end units like the Nosy Fairy team's mobile suits, they knew that it was only a matter of time before they were overwhelmed.
....It also didn't help that Gihren tried to have the Noisy Fairy team killed off just to spite Kycilia (as the Nosy Fairy team was one of her "babies"), while they were still in the middle of a war! Not only that, but the team consisted entirely of Ace pilots, which Zeon was running short on by that stage of the war, and once of them (Alma) even happened to be a Newtype! And yet Gihren still wanted the trio dead out of spite (and the team's commander was also an Ace pilot in her own right, so that was a total of *FOUR* Aces that Gihren was trying to get killed out of pure spite.
Moral lesson from zabis, don't take house problem to office
Basically 4/5 reasons touch Kycilia; if they decided to kill her instead of Sasro, the UC might have evolved rather differently.
i never really noticed before now how fucking brutal kycilia's death scene is. It goes by really quick but that's some serious gore for a kid's show.
Honestly, this remaster is great.
Atleast Dozle is not blinded by power.
Being blinded by fanaticism isn't really any better
One thing that interested me about the Battle of Loum is that, out of 3000 Zaku sent into that fight, none was lost? The story was that every single Federation ship was killed by one attack by the Zaku, while they couldn't touch the Zaku at all. I was like, no way. And yes, it was fake news from Zeon. They probably lost 1000+ Zaku, just never reported it. While Zaku was next generation weapons in that fight, they weren't indestructible. Particle cannon shots from the Federation ships must have killed many of them.
I missed this channel.