Damn Dakota, It Was Nice Knowing You!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- When your team makes as much noise as the Vancouver Canucks did this season, the vultures will start to circle. Teams around the league are aware that the Canucks are tight to the cap, and are eyeing their free agents. Dakota Joshua is one such free agent. He has a tantalizing mix of speed, skill, and physicality. He is the type of player that can be an X factor in a playoff run, and there will be no shortage of suitors for his services on July 1st. If the Canucks cannot sign him, there are players on the market that they can consider as replacements, and some in-house options. In this video, I go over those options!
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Damn, I really hope Joshua stays. His chemistry with Garland was unmatched.
@ScottStenlund Did JOSHUA say that or is that what OTHERS are saying ABOUT him? There's a world of difference between those, and if Joshua likes it here and sees a real chance to be part of a team building towards a Cup contender, he may be willing to go below market value in a Home Discount to stay a part of a possible winner and keep more cap space free for bringing in or retaining other talent the team will need.
@ScottStenlund If it comes to Hronek or Zedorov, I'd prefer keeping Big Z. He was consistently good in the regular season, and lights out in the playoffs. Hronek was great at times, good at other times, but also prone to periodic slumps.
@ScottStenlund Source?
Agreed he’s also asking for like 3 million
@ScottStenlundWhere’s the 18 mil coming from? They have 23.7 mil. If they buy out Poolman that number increases to 25.2 and if they can trade Mikheyev then it’s 29.9 or basically 30+ mil if they send Di Giuseppe down. Even if they retain 1-2 mil on Mikheyev that’s still 28-29 mil. They will have to let Lindholm and Zadorov walk because they want too much and won’t budge, but they still have lots of options in the FA market.
Do not let Joshua go! For the love of god Vancouver do not F this up.
So if he's asking for 4 or 5 mil, you still want him? lol
3.5 mill??? I pay that all day.
Of course negotiate, but if push comes to shove, I’m 1000% percent fine with paying that price
Totally agree! I felt that is a very reasonable ask based on what he does and the production we got from him. There was plenty of times I thought the Dakota/Garland line was by far our 2nd best line only next to the Miller/Boeser line!
If we can get him closer to $3m than $3.5m for like 2-4 years, IMHO that’s a solid deal!
Him and garland can be a legitimate second line or play as a solid 3rd.A second to 3rd line player with his upside is worth 3-3.5
3 mil per is easily done.
@@Hiddensquid49 joshua is not top 6, heck 1 season of 19 goals doesnt equate 3.5 with term.
@@SleeCee Iv played with enough guys who have made the NHL(Jamie Benn, Jordie Benn, Tyson Barrie, Mitch Fadden, Adam Cracknell Jason Garrison, just to name a few). I also teach summers in a BCHL defensive hockey school and I’m telling you right now he would have hit 25-30 goals this season had he not got injured. He played third line minutes and is hard working, tough, defensive minded, grinding powerforward and has natural talent and goal scoring ability. Joshua has not hit his ceiling and Will absolutely grow into a solid 25-30 goal power forward for a few seasons. 5 at 3.5 is a steal for him, I know talent, I see the little things, I talk to NHL scouts alot doing what I do and they have taught me alot of things to watch and look for especially with development of players. I have also played hockey for 30 years at a high level and coached Junior. I have alot of experience and knowledge and if you disagree with me I respect your opinion but in my professional opinion I see some serious talent developing with him especially with the Chemistry Garland and him have, thats rare to find these days.
You can't lose Joshua! Him & Garland will be like McDavid & Draisaitl one day but better.
I know! I bet he scores 60 next year playing with garland. 😂😂
When pigs fly
Great second or third line options for sure. But don’t get that silly
😂😂 let’s not be ridiculous here
They will negotiate he’s a force Canucks need along with big “Z”
Give Joshua what he wants. He the one of players that brought the Canucks to the playoffs 2024
@@akivaabraham7739 Yes and again, why does these players always have a career year on their contract year? Do not over pay for one good year. He was good not great.
I have a lot of faith in this management group after the way they filled out this roster last year with just $11 million in cap space. This year they will have $20 million or so with Soucy and Suter still under contract. They seem to have the skills to find what they need. They won't overpay like Jim Benning who's "wheeling and dealing" trashed the team's future.
*Yeah, this group of management seems a lot smarter. Plus after coming off a season that exceeded it's target (wild card first round playoff team), this management group won't have the pressure of making unnecessary bad moves to just to go for a big name in an attempt to save their job.*
Unfortunately Vancouver will never win a cup with no Canadians on their team.
@@Ryan-yi5ro *Maybe should load the team up with Swiss players.*
@@AzNightmare Still wouldn't help. No team ever wins a cup without being made up of a majority of players from Canada.
@@Ryan-yi5ro *Should just load up the team with a bunch of good o' BC boys like Jake Virtanen. Why did we even let that guy go?*
We need to keep Joshua and get another big winger
I met joshua yesterday in the Vancouver city mall. I got a pic with him too. I hope he stays.
This is what I was afraid of. All these players on team friendly deals now they all want more then what their worth.
Your on a winning team in a great city think reasonably
HES BACK BABY!!
Obviously, paying a 3rd liner, no matter how good they are, north of 3 million dollars per unless they're an elite, Selke type of centre like Lindholm is ridiculous. But if people want to underestimate Joshua's value to the team because he's not fast (like a certain 40 goal scorer), they're welcome to that opinion. Clearly, the cap is a big obstacle and you can't pay a 3rd line player big money like Jim Benning did. But if they can settle on 3 million or lower on a short term deal, unless they think they can find another diamond in the rough, I think that makes sense. He was playing like a $3-4 million player this year and came up clutch for the team on numerous occasions. That line with Joshua and Garland (and either Bluegar or Lindholm) was the Canucks' best and most effective line on most nights. That can't be underestimated. But again, you don't want to overpay either, so if they can find another guy who is ready for a breakout like him, that may make some sense.
For sure Pods is the X factor. With luck he could pop next season.
This always happens with deep teams after a good playoff run, or when your budget players play beyond their pay grade. We're lucky we didnt win the cup or we'd lose half the team.
I believe in this management team and they'll find a way to find Joshua.
I can’t see Dakota leaving tbh. I get the sense he enjoys Vancouver and wants to stay. I trust the management more than i ever have and I think they know they need him. I’d say he’s priority 1 or 2 on the resign list.
Lol you joking..of course he'll walk for an additional mil
He will be overpaid somewhere and never repeat what he did this season.
Low twos??? Come on I think the way the team struggled with him out is evidence that he is at least worth 3.5. Come on Vancouver step up.
I think the playoffs exposed many of the Canucks as being not built for today's fast, north-south NHL. Dakota is one of them. I like his work ethic, but he doesn't have the effective speed needed in today's NHL because of his lack of puck moving, puck handling ability (and overall, he isn't really that fast). What disapointed me about Joshua in the playoffs was his poor play along the boards (all of the Canucks except for Garland was poor in this department actually).
The Canucks need a major re-work. This year's playoffs reminded me of the 2003 playoffs when the super fast Minnesota Wild exposed the slow pace of the Canucks, then we retooled for the next 8 years to make ourselves faster (not just in skating, but in puck movement and transition).
I expect that same retooling to happen starting this offseason as well.
Terrible take. Dakota was one of the best, most consistent forwards they had in the playoffs. We were literally 2 goals away from still being in the playoffs despite losing Boeser and Petey playing hurt and you’re acting like we need a full god damn rebuild.
GEt right the FOH with that 🐂💩 take bruh 🙄 please tell me you’re not actually a Canucks fan, you’re actually an Edmonton fan aren’t you??
Really?? He is definitely a force the Canucks need and him and Garland have so much chemistry. Wouldn’t make sense if Canucks don’t get him signed
Do people in the comments realize how teams even make the playoffs in the first place?? So many of you are solely basing your opinions on recency bias. Especially those saying to trade Pettersson. Without Petey, Canucks wouldn’t even make the playoffs. The only way you can replace a player like Petey is by trading for a player who can put up similar numbers, and you know how much that player will cost?? It won’t be under $11.6M (thanks to Canadian tax laws).
Would be a shame. Joshua owes much to Tocchet’s steady guidance. To bail out for a few more shekels would be sad. What if his next team sucks for chemistry? Garland’s playmaking chemistry might be a one off if Joshua goes to another team
Just offer him 3x4 and call it a day. He plays great with Garland and hes physical. Hes easily worth 3 mill
2.9 - 3.1 at 3 years is what I would do
Joshua isn’t leaving. He told me he signed here to wear the skate jersey. Why would he stop now?
Unfortunately, this is a business and money talks.
He had great season, Garland can make anyone better.
Paying anything over 2 million for joshua and we’re getting hosed. He’s a great, physical player with hands of stone. He is absolutely replaceable.
You're thinking of Mikheyev. Many times this year he's scored nice goals that require soft hands. He would have had an easy 20-25 goals if he hadn't gotten injured in limited minutes. Not bad for hands of stone.
go canucks go .....golfing .....fore !
This aged well 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Power forwards are scarce in free agency this year and Joshua is showing the potential to fill top-6 roles and become a force on special teams with his speed, size and creativity. This is simply an overpay that you have to make if you want to keep your team strategically diverse and tough to play against, especially with the chance that Brock is out long-term.
How do you not give this guy 3-3.5 for 2-4 years?
jousha is literally horvat 2.0
This is absurd! Cal Clutterbuck was signed to 5 years and $3.5 million a season. Cals career best was a high of 8 goals and 23 points in those 5 years. Of course, Cal led the league in hits. Joshua will lead the league in hits if he stays healthy. Joshuas career highs in goals and points are 18 goals and 32 points in just 63 games! NEWSFLASH! Joshua should be paid above $3.5 million a season.
If the canucks wont pay market value, many other teams will!
Joshua should go out and get as much as he can. He had a career year and deserves every cent. Careers are short, especially for fighters and bangers in the NHL. Tbh, Lindholm/Blueger, Garland, Joshua were the Canucks real 2nd line. Josh played PP2 and penalty killed effectively, not to mention being a NHL hits leader. Only player with more hits/goals were Brady Tkachuk and Evander Kane.
no he did more than the core lineup
nucks need to get bigger and grittier, let the talent shine. Blueline is pretty bad after Hughes.
No way we are looking at anyone other then Josh
I vote POD!
Such a useful player!
Too 6 easy
Chemistry is also a big factor. If we make too many changes, we could end up with a group that doesn't mix. The more the Canucks shift, the higher the risk of a dud season.
Consider to trade Petterson and use the money to sign Joshua, big Z, and 1 or 2 top 6 forward !!!
Petty was almost invisible in the entire playoff ! He did not play like an 11 million dollar player at all. Perhaps it was due to his size and not a physical player.
Dumb idea lol
@@jlefeb6973 how do you know he’s a weak playoff player huh?? It’s been one playoff run!!! It’s not like Canucks have made the playoffs 5+ straight years and he hasn’t shown up. You literally cannot say “he’s a weak playoff player” unless he’s played in at least two playoff runs. It’s completely illogical
Sigh. I feel like we are going to be regressing this off season.
Depends if we are able to get a high end winger for Petterson and a RD for Quinn if we can get those 2 things we won’t regress
If Joshua doesn’t sign I’d sell high on Garland! I wanna see a major shake up!
Pay the man.
Jets should grab this guy at 3.5 and play him with Lowry.
Are the Nux about to lose half its players? Oh well, time to rebuild. 😅
Way more productive than Petterson
You must be joking. Petey: 34G and 89 points with poor linemates. Joshua: 18G and 34 points with Garland+Lindholm and Garland+Blueger. Now if you replace Joshua with Petey on the same line, Petey easily outperforms twice over.
@@JH-jw7pu like he did in the playoffs right?
As a canucks and penguins fan, i would love to see the pens dump some cheap talent to vancouver so the pens can finally start their rebuild lol
trade petterson..too much money for one player! did much nothing in d playoff
Trade pettersen...if you can...?
Why would they trade a player whom without they wouldn’t even make the playoffs??? 89 points this year with injury and 102 last year. Without Petey, Canucks aren’t even a playoff contender. Get Petey a decent winger (cause Lafferty and Mikheyev clearly aren’t it) and he easily puts up over 100 points again
RADIM ZOHORNA........almost laughable
Dump Mikhyev and give him what he wants.
All I see is greed ‼️
I will take Joshua over Petey
Lol, yeah this will age well
stop with the recency bias bro
i take 3 Joshua for 11.6m
This has been the issue with the Canucks for decades. They make terrible signings, such as Petterrsens deal, and then get stuck on paying good, solid, playoff type players, to contracts. It’s the same old BS with Canuck management year after year. And this is why the Canucks will never win the Cup.
Terrible take. Petey was set to expect offers north of $12.5m+ from other teams on the open market but took a team friendly deal that will age nicely over time as the salary cap grows. This kid has obvious future HOF talent barring any career threatening injuries that is obvious to pretty much every credible analyst in the sports media world.
Keep on trolling bud 🧌
*Honestly a gamble.. it's such a small sample size. And players on contract year always get a performance bump. Some of these players are going to be one hit wonders. Can't get emotional over 13 games, because some of these guys want to get locked in for the next 5-6 years well into their mid 30s.*
Obviously Petey is going to be way better, we all know it. Nobody expects him to play the same or worse, and he won't.
I can tell you’re a fake fan by the way you spelled Petey’s name
Petterson had a knee injury during the playoffs. And next year he will be back and play way better