I recall those years and being frustrated at what seemed like every team had a great new rookie come up, and Canucks had zero! Bad drafting has been a canucks staple forever. We still suck at drafting D too (Hughes aside). Time will tell on Willander and D Petey!
In real time, that Hodgson trade was beyond terrible, he was having a good season but behind the scenes Gillis and AV didn't like Hodgsons Dad meddling in team affairs which I do agree with but you have to upped his trade value and we needed him in the play offs especially since Kassian was scratched for most of the games in the LA series lol. Hodgson was primed for a good play off run especially since he was playing behind Kesler and Hank, he was in a perfect spot in terms of match ups. Playing against 3rd pairing d men, we were in heaven thought for sure he would be the missing piece that would take us over the top. He was scoring big goals down the stretch before trade deadline with key goals against Boston and Chicago. Trade made absolutely no sense, they should have traded him in the off season. We got peanuts on the dollar for the kid.
Excellent comment! They went into the LA series with Pahlsson as the 3C, the guy was a black hole offensively. A sheltered Hodgson could have given them some valuable goals, especially with Daniel Sedin out with a concussion. Disappointing ending to a great era!
I've been following the Canucks religiously since 1990. Terrible drafting wasn't just a Benning Era thing or a Gillis Era thing or even a Burke/Nonis Era thing. It goes way back. I've seen the picks from the 80s, too. One bust or mediocre player at best after another in the first round. Pat Quinn is known for drafting Bure, Linden and Ohlund. Outside of that, it's Bust City. Sandlak and Antoski became NHL players, but for 1st round picks, they were basically 3rd line enforcers at best. The Canucks absolutely dropped the ball when it came to finding an elite winger for the Sedins, but going back to Pavel Bure, who could score 60 goals and 100 points basically on his own, Quinn couldn't find a playmaking centre for him either. I believe he played a bit with Linden and Running, but in 1994 I think he was playing with Murray Craven as his centre. No offence to Craven, who a decent playmaking centre, but he was never elite. Larionov was the closest thing in Pavel's rookie year, and he was gone by the end of the season because he didn't want money going back to Russia and ended up in San Jose. I remember when Rick Girard, a prospect, was considered a potential centre for him. Rick who? Exactly.
Look no further than just how "well" the Canucks amateur scouting for Western Canada (actually all of Canada) have been. Even under the much improved amateur scouting under Jim Benning, look who the "home run" hits were from: Hughes (American), Petey (Sweden), Demko (American). How many amateurs that had their minor league careers in Canada that have been drafted by the Canucks that went on to decent careers in later rounds? Even a "European" like Joulevi played a large chunk of his career in the OHL before Benning drafted him. Been a virtual total wasteland going back to as you say multiple *DECADES* back. Guys like Lucic & Gallagher were hardly high round picks (that the Canucks didn't have a chance to draft). Zero excuse for this.
You did a good job putting this video together, but man was it depressing. I didn’t realize the Nucks had zero draft picks that ever played an NHL game in the years you mentioned. I sure hope all of us Canucks faithful can finally stop holding our collective breath and finally cheer for them winning the cup soon.
Patrick White was used as a trade chip for Ehrhoff. They could have traded a 1st round pick from draft 2007 - 2012 for roster help that could have gave more depth to the canucks playoff runs that could of potentially led to a cup.
they came just 1 win short in 2011 so saying that that bad drafting cost them the cup is kind of a stretch. Yes their draft record was sketchy but in the early 2010s, they were one of the biggest faces in the league given they had come just 1 win short of the cup and pulled off a rare feat of winning 2 straight presidents trophies in both 2011 and 2012
The 2011 canucks had a core mostly made up of draft picks from before the 2005 lockout. Sedins 1999, Bieksa 2001, Kesler 2003, Edler and Hansen 2004, hell they even got Burrows undrafted. Just amazing value on picks and signings yet none of that was working after the lockout. Problem is, most of these players were at their peak and everything after would be downhill.
In a way the sedins themselves caused this. Ever since they arrived the organization bent over backwards for them (never demoting them in the early days when they weren't producing and never taking them off the same line even for one period). Then when they started producing that left no space for prospects to aspire to and the organization placed no emphasis on giving the kids an honest look because it was always about catering to the sedins.
It is amazing how great we would be as general managers with the benefit of ten years hindsight. Every team in the league would win the cup every year.
still blubbering over the picks from 12 years ago. As is people can know how a draft pick will pan out before they've ever played a game....lol too funny
they were up 3-1 in the cup final. has nothing to do with who they drafter lol. boston just figured out they could beat up on the sedins and they would have no response to it.
I keep getting this comment. So I’ll address it once. If you watched the video, the argument I am making is that the Canucks contention window shut too early because of terrible drafting. There should have been a wave of talent to support the Sedins deep into their careers, but instead they finished with 3 of the worst seasons in franchise history. This video is not meant to analyze why they lost to the Bruins. Also, they were never up 3-1. It was 2-0 and 3-2.
Mike Gillis era drafting was so bad, probably the worst of any tenure I have witnessed. Yet, he kept all his first round picks and prospects at the Trade Deadline every year and we never went after the big names (like we did with Lindholm) from 2009-2012. We could've traded our first rond picks + prospects like Hodgson/Schroeder (both had value in the 2010, 2011 seasons) to add more pieces to the line up to push us over the top. I am most frustrated is, he doesn't draft well, but always kept all the picks and prospects that eventually became busts. And at the 2010 draft, when he moved out a first round pick, he acquired Keith Ballard, who couldn't get out of AV's dog house and was an eventual buy-out candidate. He had a $4.2 million caphit and was sitting in the pressbox a lot of nights. He eventually became a buyout candidate in the 2013 off-season. The 2010-11 season had a salary cap of $59.4 million. That's 7% of our cap space allocated to a palyer our coach refused to play. That money could've gotten us another top 6 forward or a top 4 defenseman that the coach would actually play. In fact, could've spent that money to ice a NHL calibre 4th line instead of having to play Victor Oreskovich, Alexandre Bolduc etc. on our 4th line that season. The 2010-11 season was loved by the fans and brought us a lot of great memories. However, our 4th line for that season was pretty much a bunch of AHLers playing about 7-8 minutes a night as filters (though we had agruably the most stacked top 3 lines in the league by a large margin). Anyways, back on the topic of poor drafting. With how bad Gillis drafted, we should've traded our first round pick every deadline from 2009-2012 and add another top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman to make a run at the cup. Because, those picks wound up being absolutely nothing. If you have poor drafting and you are a contending team, trade those picks for assets to help push you to the top. This is extremely frustrating situation to look back to in hindsight. And after Benning took over, the one thing in his tenure he exceled at was at the draft table. But he constantly trades away our higher mid-round picks for tweeners when the team is no longer near the level of a contender. The GM should've kept the picks to rebuild trades away draft picks; the GM who is a terrible at the draft with a contending team kept more picks than he should've.
The only good picks benning made where boeser and hoglander. Everyone else was someone else telling benning to draft them. Linden yelled at benning to draft petterson and hughs, Clark yelled to draft demko and silovs. Benning picked McCabe over pasternak. Picked joulevi over thachuk and picked vertanin over Nylander
@@omfg322 I hate Benning as well. But he has more than 1 good pick. Demko was drafted when Clark wasn’t with the Canucks. Clark was in Columbus. Forsling, McCann were good picks, it’s just that Benning chose to trade them away. Hoglander was also a good pick as well. Pettersson was drafted under the guidance of Linden and the scout. But Hughes was unanimously ranked the highest player available among the organization.
If PK Subban and Alex Adler were on the same line we would have had more turnovers than ever both of them known for making stupid turnovers PK Subban would have made Adler worse and Alex Adler would have made PK Subban worse not only that PK Subban wasn't tough enough and his career fell apart pretty easily once he hit 29
i believe that if mikael sammuelsson hadn't been sidelined for the final and kesler's hip hadn't given out the canucks would have won the cup so i don't actually agree with you. they built a cup winner but you need luck on your side as well.
I loathe no team more than the canucks and I don’t really know why. As a calgarian I did not despise them this much in the old days with the black and yellow and I was a Bure fan, but I just can’t pinpoint why I hate the team. It just feels like old toilet paper. Is anyone else experiencing this feeling ?
@@ethanparker7900 Sorry he didn't 'build that team'. He inherited a good core from the previous regime in Burke and Nonnis. Gillis added a few pieces to it in Hamhuis and Malholtra but his drafting was terrible and we got no good results out of any of his drafts. Long time yearly ice pack holder here of the team. Gillis was awful.
@@anthonys3631 drafting sure but the free agent signings and some trades were good like those 2 you mentioned and a handful of others like higgins and he did a decent job at keeping the core together so. No gm is perfect too so
Oilers fan here, loved seeing Vancouver lose in 2011…. And in 2023!… soooo, quit trash talking the oilers, we are getting the Stanley cup 2025 :3 …. Also…. You can’t shock the nhl anymore, nucks with a bullseye on them cause they shocked the entire league, that’s just a one off
@@anthonys3631 Nuge is a babe, don’t throw salt on that hockey legend… also another Canadian team in the finals, than throwing salt on them? That’s salty … oilers are hockey legends
@@stevenrosscarpenter lead the series 2-0 but after a clean (a little late) hit Boston gets away with anything and everything because “that’s just hockey bro” Disgusting Gary won’t let a Canadian team win the cup so it should’ve been expected but come on
Worst Canucks draft of all time?
In the same "no support" category , Price played without a 80 points player in front of him for nearly 15 years lol.
Boston was also allowed to completely injure all the canucks with 0 punishment
Cry
I sent your comment to the Kleenex Public relations manager... expect a sponsorship soon. no snowflake should be without enough tissues.
@@Matt-nj1yh I hear alot of yapping but not a response of your wrong here's why.
@@omfg322 hockey is physical lil bro if you can’t take a hit you don’t belong in the nhl
@@edited1325 fair take but when you try to take other peoples heads off and get 0 repercussions for it, leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth
Luc Bourdon could’ve been a huge difference maker in that series
Freaking moto accident...
What'd he die or somethin?
@@empire0 yeah...2007 I believe.
@@empire0yeah he died in a crash 😢
I recall those years and being frustrated at what seemed like every team had a great new rookie come up, and Canucks had zero!
Bad drafting has been a canucks staple forever.
We still suck at drafting D too (Hughes aside). Time will tell on Willander and D Petey!
In real time, that Hodgson trade was beyond terrible, he was having a good season but behind the scenes Gillis and AV didn't like Hodgsons Dad meddling in team affairs which I do agree with but you have to upped his trade value and we needed him in the play offs especially since Kassian was scratched for most of the games in the LA series lol. Hodgson was primed for a good play off run especially since he was playing behind Kesler and Hank, he was in a perfect spot in terms of match ups. Playing against 3rd pairing d men, we were in heaven thought for sure he would be the missing piece that would take us over the top. He was scoring big goals down the stretch before trade deadline with key goals against Boston and Chicago. Trade made absolutely no sense, they should have traded him in the off season. We got peanuts on the dollar for the kid.
Excellent comment!
They went into the LA series with Pahlsson as the 3C, the guy was a black hole offensively. A sheltered Hodgson could have given them some valuable goals, especially with Daniel Sedin out with a concussion. Disappointing ending to a great era!
I've been following the Canucks religiously since 1990. Terrible drafting wasn't just a Benning Era thing or a Gillis Era thing or even a Burke/Nonis Era thing. It goes way back. I've seen the picks from the 80s, too. One bust or mediocre player at best after another in the first round. Pat Quinn is known for drafting Bure, Linden and Ohlund. Outside of that, it's Bust City. Sandlak and Antoski became NHL players, but for 1st round picks, they were basically 3rd line enforcers at best. The Canucks absolutely dropped the ball when it came to finding an elite winger for the Sedins, but going back to Pavel Bure, who could score 60 goals and 100 points basically on his own, Quinn couldn't find a playmaking centre for him either. I believe he played a bit with Linden and Running, but in 1994 I think he was playing with Murray Craven as his centre. No offence to Craven, who a decent playmaking centre, but he was never elite. Larionov was the closest thing in Pavel's rookie year, and he was gone by the end of the season because he didn't want money going back to Russia and ended up in San Jose. I remember when Rick Girard, a prospect, was considered a potential centre for him. Rick who? Exactly.
Here's to hoping Patrick Alvin is as good as he seems and sticks around for a while
Look no further than just how "well" the Canucks amateur scouting for Western Canada (actually all of Canada) have been. Even under the much improved amateur scouting under Jim Benning, look who the "home run" hits were from: Hughes (American), Petey (Sweden), Demko (American). How many amateurs that had their minor league careers in Canada that have been drafted by the Canucks that went on to decent careers in later rounds? Even a "European" like Joulevi played a large chunk of his career in the OHL before Benning drafted him. Been a virtual total wasteland going back to as you say multiple *DECADES* back. Guys like Lucic & Gallagher were hardly high round picks (that the Canucks didn't have a chance to draft). Zero excuse for this.
Bro, I haven’t watched this channel in a while and HOW TF DO YOU NOT HAVE 15k 😭
I’ve been a little inconsistent, but I’m ramping it up this season!
Great vid. Small thing, Kyle Palmieri is a winger and absolutely wouldn't of been a good Kesler replacement as a result haha
You did a good job putting this video together, but man was it depressing. I didn’t realize the Nucks had zero draft picks that ever played an NHL game in the years you mentioned. I sure hope all of us Canucks faithful can finally stop holding our collective breath and finally cheer for them winning the cup soon.
2007 was the only year where none of the picks played an NHL game, 2008-2011 had a couple journeymen, but you're right, it is very depressing!
@@TheBluelineHockey The Gilis and Benning eras were just so painful. I miss Pat Quinn. He was just the best!
I've always wondered why the Canucks contender window wasn't longer. Now I know. Great video!
It's crazy seeing it like this how badley we missed
Patrick White was used as a trade chip for Ehrhoff. They could have traded a 1st round pick from draft 2007 - 2012 for roster help that could have gave more depth to the canucks playoff runs that could of potentially led to a cup.
Correct, but a bag of pucks would have been enough to acquire Ehrhoff. San Jose needed to clear space for Dany Heatley.
they came just 1 win short in 2011 so saying that that bad drafting cost them the cup is kind of a stretch. Yes their draft record was sketchy but in the early 2010s, they were one of the biggest faces in the league given they had come just 1 win short of the cup and pulled off a rare feat of winning 2 straight presidents trophies in both 2011 and 2012
Let's not forget either about who was chosen after their 1st rd pick in '05.
Best Cody Hodgson story ever.
The 2011 canucks had a core mostly made up of draft picks from before the 2005 lockout. Sedins 1999, Bieksa 2001, Kesler 2003, Edler and Hansen 2004, hell they even got Burrows undrafted. Just amazing value on picks and signings yet none of that was working after the lockout. Problem is, most of these players were at their peak and everything after would be downhill.
If the drafting success from 2004 continued through to 2011, the last three seasons of the Sedins' careers would have been vastly different!
Edler-Subban, what could have been oh my 😢😢😢
Edler-Forsling 🙃
edler was one of the worst players on the team his whole career lol
Nothing new here, Vancouver has the worst draft record in NHL history when you go through their year by year pics from 1970 to current year.
In a way the sedins themselves caused this. Ever since they arrived the organization bent over backwards for them (never demoting them in the early days when they weren't producing and never taking them off the same line even for one period). Then when they started producing that left no space for prospects to aspire to and the organization placed no emphasis on giving the kids an honest look because it was always about catering to the sedins.
The bribed refs were what lost the series. One day the Canucks will be awarded with the 2011 Stanley cup when the cheating gets exposed
It is amazing how great we would be as general managers with the benefit of ten years hindsight. Every team in the league would win the cup every year.
still blubbering over the picks from 12 years ago. As is people can know how a draft pick will pan out before they've ever played a game....lol too funny
Great synopsis. Sheds some light on the lean years!
Todd Harvey is the best thing to happen to the Canucks scouting staff since i can remember.
He has done an excellent job. I look forward to the next few years as the team integrates his selections into the roster.
Could you imagine a Sedin/Kopitar 1-2 punch??? That's guaranteed cups.
The Burke Era and drafts was the only respectable term other than Pat Quinn…
they were up 3-1 in the cup final. has nothing to do with who they drafter lol. boston just figured out they could beat up on the sedins and they would have no response to it.
I keep getting this comment. So I’ll address it once. If you watched the video, the argument I am making is that the Canucks contention window shut too early because of terrible drafting. There should have been a wave of talent to support the Sedins deep into their careers, but instead they finished with 3 of the worst seasons in franchise history. This video is not meant to analyze why they lost to the Bruins.
Also, they were never up 3-1. It was 2-0 and 3-2.
Mike Gillis era drafting was so bad, probably the worst of any tenure I have witnessed. Yet, he kept all his first round picks and prospects at the Trade Deadline every year and we never went after the big names (like we did with Lindholm) from 2009-2012. We could've traded our first rond picks + prospects like Hodgson/Schroeder (both had value in the 2010, 2011 seasons) to add more pieces to the line up to push us over the top. I am most frustrated is, he doesn't draft well, but always kept all the picks and prospects that eventually became busts.
And at the 2010 draft, when he moved out a first round pick, he acquired Keith Ballard, who couldn't get out of AV's dog house and was an eventual buy-out candidate. He had a $4.2 million caphit and was sitting in the pressbox a lot of nights. He eventually became a buyout candidate in the 2013 off-season. The 2010-11 season had a salary cap of $59.4 million. That's 7% of our cap space allocated to a palyer our coach refused to play. That money could've gotten us another top 6 forward or a top 4 defenseman that the coach would actually play. In fact, could've spent that money to ice a NHL calibre 4th line instead of having to play Victor Oreskovich, Alexandre Bolduc etc. on our 4th line that season.
The 2010-11 season was loved by the fans and brought us a lot of great memories. However, our 4th line for that season was pretty much a bunch of AHLers playing about 7-8 minutes a night as filters (though we had agruably the most stacked top 3 lines in the league by a large margin).
Anyways, back on the topic of poor drafting. With how bad Gillis drafted, we should've traded our first round pick every deadline from 2009-2012 and add another top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman to make a run at the cup. Because, those picks wound up being absolutely nothing. If you have poor drafting and you are a contending team, trade those picks for assets to help push you to the top.
This is extremely frustrating situation to look back to in hindsight. And after Benning took over, the one thing in his tenure he exceled at was at the draft table. But he constantly trades away our higher mid-round picks for tweeners when the team is no longer near the level of a contender. The GM should've kept the picks to rebuild trades away draft picks; the GM who is a terrible at the draft with a contending team kept more picks than he should've.
The only good picks benning made where boeser and hoglander. Everyone else was someone else telling benning to draft them. Linden yelled at benning to draft petterson and hughs, Clark yelled to draft demko and silovs.
Benning picked McCabe over pasternak. Picked joulevi over thachuk and picked vertanin over Nylander
@@omfg322 I hate Benning as well. But he has more than 1 good pick. Demko was drafted when Clark wasn’t with the Canucks. Clark was in Columbus. Forsling, McCann were good picks, it’s just that Benning chose to trade them away. Hoglander was also a good pick as well. Pettersson was drafted under the guidance of Linden and the scout. But Hughes was unanimously ranked the highest player available among the organization.
If PK Subban and Alex Adler were on the same line we would have had more turnovers than ever both of them known for making stupid turnovers PK Subban would have made Adler worse and Alex Adler would have made PK Subban worse not only that PK Subban wasn't tough enough and his career fell apart pretty easily once he hit 29
Ron Delorme is at fault here.
i believe that if mikael sammuelsson hadn't been sidelined for the final and kesler's hip hadn't given out the canucks would have won the cup so i don't actually agree with you. they built a cup winner but you need luck on your side as well.
Hamhuis injury was crippling as well
they lost because they had 2 sisters on the same team.
So it Wasent the refereeing
I loathe no team more than the canucks and I don’t really know why. As a calgarian I did not despise them this much in the old days with the black and yellow and I was a Bure fan, but I just can’t pinpoint why I hate the team. It just feels like old toilet paper. Is anyone else experiencing this feeling ?
Drinking too much haterade perhaps?
great video, subbed..... fuck off with those random black dots on the images though... well actually, i guess my monitor thanks you for the cleaning
Got rid of the dots in my new vid
I am the first one watching this
Dedication 🫡
good
I hated Gillis
im not a canucks fan but he built a team that was just one win short from winning the cup how can you hate one who does that?
@@ethanparker7900 Sorry he didn't 'build that team'. He inherited a good core from the previous regime in Burke and Nonnis. Gillis added a few pieces to it in Hamhuis and Malholtra but his drafting was terrible and we got no good results out of any of his drafts. Long time yearly ice pack holder here of the team. Gillis was awful.
@@anthonys3631 drafting sure but the free agent signings and some trades were good like those 2 you mentioned and a handful of others like higgins and he did a decent job at keeping the core together so. No gm is perfect too so
Oilers fan here, loved seeing Vancouver lose in 2011…. And in 2023!… soooo, quit trash talking the oilers, we are getting the Stanley cup 2025 :3 …. Also…. You can’t shock the nhl anymore, nucks with a bullseye on them cause they shocked the entire league, that’s just a one off
You guys had one shot and missed, making it back to the finals is more difficult than you’re lead to believe
So close buddy, it was actually 2024. Review what you comment before you send it! (Btw Florida owns your overrated franchise the Edmonton Coilers)
loved seeing you guys LOSE game 7! Choke on it. Even though I know Nuge here locally in Vancouver.
@@anthonys3631 Nuge is a babe, don’t throw salt on that hockey legend… also another Canadian team in the finals, than throwing salt on them? That’s salty … oilers are hockey legends
B.S. ! The Sedin sisters never won anything. They had a good team in Vancouver for a while when they were there.
Better then the bruins if they actually officiated the finals properly Rome gets suspended but Marchand doesn’t? The bias is obvious
Sedins and Kessler. That's only half a top 6. Needed more
@@stevenrosscarpenter lead the series 2-0 but after a clean (a little late) hit Boston gets away with anything and everything because “that’s just hockey bro”
Disgusting Gary won’t let a Canadian team win the cup so it should’ve been expected but come on
Two president trophies and hart trophy that Henrick Sedin won are nothing?
@@edited1325Why would Marchand have gotten suspended? Also, Nathan Horton was far more important to the bruins than Aaron Rome was to the canucks.