Scene from the movie "Dead Zone" where Johnny asked if he could go back in time, should he kill Hitler? As the approach Doctor Who "Let's Kill Hitler" episode
I remember how I first saw him in the pink panther films when I was in elementary school and then when I first watched this film in middle school when it was new I thought it was funny how Drefuss was in the Dead Zone I instantly recognized him. :)
I first saw Lom in 1955's The Ladykillers. A great villain! He portrayed Captain Nemo in Mysterious Island and was in Spartacus and El Cid. Most remember his comical turn as the beleaguered Chief Inspector in the Panther films. A beautiful voice!
Walken is wildly great in this. The loss, the indecision, the guilt, the suffering. He takes what was already one of King's best characters and elevates him. David Cronenberg's superb direction doesn't hurt.
Not-so-fun fact: Herbert Lom (the actor playing Dr. Weizak) had left Czechoslovakja because of the Nazi occupation. I am not quite sure, when he says he would kill Hitler if he had the chance, that he is merely acting.
It gets sadder; when he, his parents, and his girlfriend at the time were trying to flee, it was found that the gf didn't have the proper paperwork to cross the border. She got sent to a concentration camp and later died there.
I knew him for his performances in Blake Edwards Pink Panther franchise. I also knew him for a very personal movie that I am enjoyed for some time it was called River of death based on an Alistair MacLean novel. I wish I could have had the chance to meet him in person just to tell him how much he made me laugh and how Charles Dreyfus and I have something in common we both hated the choices of people and they didn't even care about someone else's blood pressure. I suffer from anxiety and fear of heights and I despise wrongful choices no matter how old person is. But the truth is I don't hate them I just hate what they choose to become because they're unaware of the Fate that awaits them. But after watching this clip from Stephen King's dead zone it made me think that all life should be cherished according to God.
The way he leads up to it, man of medicine, expected to save lives, easy suffering, loves people...almost makes you think he's about to say he'd have no choice but to let him live and that killing anyone is against his creed.
In the end, the only question that matters is, could you live with yourself if you didn't? All that pain and suffering...I'm not sure I could live with it.
King said that Cronenberg and Boam, ( the screenplay writer, ) had " improved and intensified the narrative. " I agree. A great cast and a superb performance by Walken elevate this story of a man whose destiny is the death of him. Lom was perfect.
This film is just *so* good, on so many levels, it's just incredible. There is so much in it that most people can't or won't ever see. The word *"conspire"* means "To breathe together" - as in, whispering. Whispering about what you are going to do. The Roman Senate invented Conspiracy. All the ancient Patrician families knew and competed with one another going back 500 years before the time of Caesar. But the floor of The Senate, the place where they all came together to talk about what they were going to do, collectively, was small - the Roman Forum outside wasn't all that much bigger. Whispering became a necessary prerequisite for plotting Crime. All crimes generally, but Treason specifically - Murder was not something that generally bothered them all that greatly, but Treason greatly offended them. As it should, really. But as for Roman Conspiracies, the plotting and planning of Treason, the highest, most odious (and most frequently yearned-for) offence against The State, theHighest of Crimes against the Roman Republic called for a lot of breathing together - much whispering, in essence.
I could warn this guy about something bad that will happen at another time too - at 1:06 he takes off his glasses using only one hand. If this is something he does habitually then one of the arms of his spectacles will probably *fall off* at some point after being weakened through repeated action of this sort. If only he used *both hands* to remove his glasses then he may never have to face such a horrific crisis as this... I mean imagine if his glasses fell off when he was crossing the road & he can't see, he'd probably end up being hit by a truck!
Granted it would seem like the right thing to do. Killing Hitler would have been devastating in the long run and I'll tell you why. When Hitler came to power, he was the last official leader of the Nazi party. The Nazi party was around way before he got in and even if he fucked up or got the boot from it, they'd just find someone else to take his place. Back then before he managed to seize power, the Nazis did have a good public reputation, which they often used for their advantages. When Hitler lead them, he inadvertently tarnished any hope that they could give that reputation back. Despite many trying to restart them, from the Neo-Nazis, D.O.C. and the Golden-Dawn in Greece, there has never been an official restart or reprise of National Socialism. By that I mean no German or Austrian ever successfully wiped the slate clean and restarted it because Hitler inadvertently exposed the group for what they truly are in his quest for power. You kill him and everything that made us hate the Nazis in the first place disappear through ripple effect. Lives would be save, but the lives that die in their place would make the Holocaust look tame.
That is an interesting way of looking at it and kind of delves into the whole "evil you already know" concept. I remember in one of my college English classes we discussed and debated this idea alot. Our biggest sticking point when discussing alternate history was "yeah, you have a major event or person removed from history, but after that how do you reposition all the pieces to account for that change? How do you rein in the infinite possibilities that would arise from that singular point?" Though, my only counterpoint to yours about the failed proliferation of Nazis of modern times, is take a look at all of the zealous right-wing extremism still present today. While technically yes, they have next to no official powers, they still have a strong and growing voice in the political landscape of today despite the fact that the Nazis were so reviled.
@@shelbyherring92 Good Counterpoint, but you also got to remember, Nazis weren't the only ones with those views, so equating the Far right for example to simply Nazism would be sort of an oxymoron. Most of what the Nazis were invoking, through propaganda, political strategy and war tactics, were annexed by the same techniques that created and maintained the Roman Empire for centuries. Hitler especially thought he was gonna be the next Julius Caesar or Alexander. Even Kaiser before him during WWI was doing the exact same tactics. It's why the Holy Roman Empire was called The First Reich. With WWI being the 2nd and WWII being the third. Point being is that, what the Nazis did while terrible was not very original. That sooner or later someone else from a different group and a different set of political views would look up Roman Tactics in the future and may even do worse damage than Hitler ever could. Be it Far right, Far left or god forbid a reprise of the Nazi Parties and Communist parties coming back with a vengeance.
Yes what WOULD we do if, um... hypothetically... we ever ran across ANOTHER figure in a position of power who threatened the safety and well-being of our country and the world... we shall see.
This film and this argument had a profound effect on me. There was someone i knew who could have become a Stilson and struggled with same argument calling for overt action. Fortunely for us evil is self destructive and the future "Stilson" I knew mentally broke down with merely words and is no threat to anyone.
To Survive in a Harsh and Evil World, Everyone Needs to have but ONE Friend, who will ALWAYS tell you The Truth - Q : Should I give up my life by carrying out an murder nobody will understand on order to save The Future of The Human Race? Suicide is an unforgivable sin and if guilty of that, I should be damned in Hell for all Eternity. A : “It doesn’t •matter• - *I would kill him.* - [ and I forgive you ] •cheers• “
This is the exact Mirror Image of *The Sicilian Scene.* In as much as it is *exactly* the *same* - just back to front. As though seen through a glass darkly.
It's ironic that this always gets cited as THE example in this particular ethical thought experiment, given that the elimination of Hitler would almost undoubtably make little or no difference - a reality surely known to many of those that pose the question, though the may deny it even to themselves. On the way up, the Thule Society and others cultivated and nurtured multiple different Aryan Messiah candidates and multiple different Nazi Party analogs, selected and developed in order to conform to a profile, become the embodiment of the archetype of what Hitler rose to became upon entering power - had he died or not worked out (and there were many, many failed attempts and wash-outs), it could just as easily have Furher Otto Dickel or General Kapp rather than Adolf Hitler, and made no difference, and once the quantum superposition of probabilities collapsed around the choice that it WAS to be Adolf Hitler, his managers began the practice of deploying a cadre of multiple doubles, look-alikes, clones and impersonators almost immediately (as confirmed in a TIME Magazine article of 1933), so you could never be sure that the one you were shooting at was the real Hitler... Because they all were. Hitler is a persona, not a person. If you kill him, it doesn't really matter - the archetype is eternal, it is not a mortal thing of flesh. A much better example for study on this question would be "Would You Kill Napoleon?" or, "Would you kill Alexander the Great or Julius Ceasar?" - because that really WOULD alter the course of established historical events.
its human nature to try. if the effect is doubly worse than our cause its still in humans nature to try. if hitlers or alexanders replacement is worse then its lets try the next eternal archetype. its human nature to try n fail then to not try n fail.
The Thing Which He Does Not See in this case is as follows : *Killing is Wrong; Murder is a Crime; and Treason is Odious* - the solution therefore is to NOT Kill Hitler. But instead to provoke him into killing *YOU* , in front of other, more respectable people who would regard the idea that Bad People should be killed by individuals, Men of Good Conscience as unconscionable ( who then acted accordingly. ) Which is exactly what happens in The Sicilian Scene - exact and precise in every detail.
It's pretty much what he did when his plan failed. He couldn't get a clear shot of Stilson, but the photgrapher got a clear shot of him using a baby as a human shield while his right hand man shot Johnny.
Herbert Lom was such an underrated actor.
Agreed
I remember how I first saw him in the pink panther films when I was in elementary school and then when I first watched this film in middle school when it was new I thought it was funny how Drefuss was in the Dead Zone I instantly recognized him. :)
I first saw Lom in 1955's The Ladykillers. A great villain! He portrayed Captain Nemo in Mysterious Island and was in Spartacus and El Cid. Most remember his comical turn as the beleaguered Chief Inspector in the Panther films. A beautiful voice!
Walken is wildly great in this. The loss, the indecision, the guilt, the suffering. He takes what was already one of King's best characters and elevates him. David Cronenberg's superb direction doesn't hurt.
Not-so-fun fact: Herbert Lom (the actor playing Dr. Weizak) had left Czechoslovakja because of the Nazi occupation. I am not quite sure, when he says he would kill Hitler if he had the chance, that he is merely acting.
That is simply an amazing story if true.
It gets sadder; when he, his parents, and his girlfriend at the time were trying to flee, it was found that the gf didn't have the proper paperwork to cross the border. She got sent to a concentration camp and later died there.
Not acting at all
Dig it
SKOL!
he'd probably kill Inspector Clouseau also
Yeah maybe, they were such great friends. hehe
Knowing what he know now. He would kill Hitler and Clouseau.
He does not know about Hitler but he would probably kill Clouseau. A man like Clouseau makes Hitler seem like a red cross worker.
Herbert Lom was a superb guy. He's brilliant as the Phantom of the Opera in the 1962 film. RIP Herb.
I knew him for his performances in Blake Edwards Pink Panther franchise. I also knew him for a very personal movie that I am enjoyed for some time it was called River of death based on an Alistair MacLean novel. I wish I could have had the chance to meet him in person just to tell him how much he made me laugh and how Charles Dreyfus and I have something in common we both hated the choices of people and they didn't even care about someone else's blood pressure. I suffer from anxiety and fear of heights and I despise wrongful choices no matter how old person is. But the truth is I don't hate them I just hate what they choose to become because they're unaware of the Fate that awaits them. But after watching this clip from Stephen King's dead zone it made me think that all life should be cherished according to God.
I knew recent events seemed familiar
I too was reminded of this scene a few days ago.
The recent event man that would likely press the red button at least didn't do the baby shield. So that helped in the polls.
The way he leads up to it, man of medicine, expected to save lives, easy suffering, loves people...almost makes you think he's about to say he'd have no choice but to let him live and that killing anyone is against his creed.
In the end, the only question that matters is, could you live with yourself if you didn't? All that pain and suffering...I'm not sure I could live with it.
King said that Cronenberg and Boam, ( the screenplay writer, ) had " improved and intensified the narrative. " I agree. A great cast and a superb performance by Walken elevate this story of a man whose destiny is the death of him. Lom was perfect.
Now that's powerful writing😳
This film is just *so* good, on so many levels, it's just incredible.
There is so much in it that most people can't or won't ever see.
The word *"conspire"* means "To breathe together" - as in, whispering. Whispering about what you are going to do.
The Roman Senate invented Conspiracy. All the ancient Patrician families knew and competed with one another going back 500 years before the time of Caesar.
But the floor of The Senate, the place where they all came together to talk about what they were going to do, collectively, was small - the Roman Forum outside wasn't all that much bigger.
Whispering became a necessary prerequisite for plotting Crime.
All crimes generally, but Treason specifically - Murder was not something that generally bothered them all that greatly, but Treason greatly offended them.
As it should, really.
But as for Roman Conspiracies, the plotting and planning of Treason, the highest, most odious (and most frequently yearned-for) offence against The State, theHighest of Crimes against the Roman Republic called for a lot of breathing together - much whispering, in essence.
It's the best Stephen King movie and maybe the best of Cronenberg. It's really good.
Cronenberg always said he would not make a movie where the Protaganist was John Smith. Yet here we are with the best thing he ever did.
@@NormAppleton I agree and there are a lot of them that come close!
Best Quote Ever
Comes down to a rational exchange in the end, in the movie Johnny had no real choice but to try and stop Stilson
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT PERFORMANCES BY WALKEN & LOM!!! "THE ICE, IS GONNA BREAK!!!"
Melania, are you watching?
looks like you were proven dead wrong there libtard- in 4 years Trump caused ZERO wars and no US soldier died on his watch becuase of him unlike Biden
She never held his hand and not got the vision.
Thank you for uploading this. Now I believe with all the parts I've watched, I finally have seen the whole movie free.😄😲
You can alter the future…let me make a note, I’m gonna forget that one.
I could warn this guy about something bad that will happen at another time too - at 1:06 he takes off his glasses using only one hand. If this is something he does habitually then one of the arms of his spectacles will probably *fall off* at some point after being weakened through repeated action of this sort. If only he used *both hands* to remove his glasses then he may never have to face such a horrific crisis as this... I mean imagine if his glasses fell off when he was crossing the road & he can't see, he'd probably end up being hit by a truck!
Or the excessive drinking which will lead to a failed liver transplant and a painful death.
The mere thought invalidates the possibility...
Granted it would seem like the right thing to do. Killing Hitler would have been devastating in the long run and I'll tell you why. When Hitler came to power, he was the last official leader of the Nazi party. The Nazi party was around way before he got in and even if he fucked up or got the boot from it, they'd just find someone else to take his place. Back then before he managed to seize power, the Nazis did have a good public reputation, which they often used for their advantages. When Hitler lead them, he inadvertently tarnished any hope that they could give that reputation back. Despite many trying to restart them, from the Neo-Nazis, D.O.C. and the Golden-Dawn in Greece, there has never been an official restart or reprise of National Socialism. By that I mean no German or Austrian ever successfully wiped the slate clean and restarted it because Hitler inadvertently exposed the group for what they truly are in his quest for power. You kill him and everything that made us hate the Nazis in the first place disappear through ripple effect. Lives would be save, but the lives that die in their place would make the Holocaust look tame.
That is an interesting way of looking at it and kind of delves into the whole "evil you already know" concept. I remember in one of my college English classes we discussed and debated this idea alot. Our biggest sticking point when discussing alternate history was "yeah, you have a major event or person removed from history, but after that how do you reposition all the pieces to account for that change? How do you rein in the infinite possibilities that would arise from that singular point?"
Though, my only counterpoint to yours about the failed proliferation of Nazis of modern times, is take a look at all of the zealous right-wing extremism still present today. While technically yes, they have next to no official powers, they still have a strong and growing voice in the political landscape of today despite the fact that the Nazis were so reviled.
@@shelbyherring92 Good Counterpoint, but you also got to remember, Nazis weren't the only ones with those views, so equating the Far right for example to simply Nazism would be sort of an oxymoron. Most of what the Nazis were invoking, through propaganda, political strategy and war tactics, were annexed by the same techniques that created and maintained the Roman Empire for centuries. Hitler especially thought he was gonna be the next Julius Caesar or Alexander. Even Kaiser before him during WWI was doing the exact same tactics. It's why the Holy Roman Empire was called The First Reich. With WWI being the 2nd and WWII being the third. Point being is that, what the Nazis did while terrible was not very original. That sooner or later someone else from a different group and a different set of political views would look up Roman Tactics in the future and may even do worse damage than Hitler ever could. Be it Far right, Far left or god forbid a reprise of the Nazi Parties and Communist parties coming back with a vengeance.
You know how I know you are scum?
@@shelbyherring92 Here come the alts
You need to stay away from Nazis
I’ve seen this movie a couple times and I had no idea what was Herbert Lom.
Facebook just threatened to restrict my account for sharing this video.
Na zdrowie skål
Every time i watch this i say the same thing that that doctor says that he would kill Hitler and so would i.
What does Dr. Weizak say at the end, after 'I would kill him'?
na zdrowie -- it's Polish -- said before sharing a drink: cheers, or to your health.
+villonesques Thanks!
I love that he says it in Polish too, as if to emphasize his point
Been saying that since 1969. Half Polish mother's side and skol! half Norwegian too so have them both covered.
Na Zdorovie Skal
I hate that wall paper.
70s
Yes what WOULD we do if, um... hypothetically... we ever ran across ANOTHER figure in a position of power who threatened the safety and well-being of our country and the world... we shall see.
Of course you're not referring to our President- met with North Korea (peace is closer than before) and
MM M wrong
Xi Jinping.
This film and this argument had a profound effect on me. There was someone i knew who could have become a Stilson and struggled with same argument calling for overt action. Fortunely for us evil is self destructive and the future "Stilson" I knew mentally broke down with merely words and is no threat to anyone.
Stilson is Trump, Ask Martin Sheen
Suicide is an Unforgivable Sin - Murder is Not.
To Survive in a Harsh and Evil World, Everyone Needs to have but ONE Friend, who will ALWAYS tell you The Truth -
Q : Should I give up my life by carrying out an murder nobody will understand on order to save The Future of The Human Race? Suicide is an unforgivable sin and if guilty of that, I should be damned in Hell for all Eternity.
A : “It doesn’t •matter• - *I would kill him.* - [ and I forgive you ] •cheers• “
This is the exact Mirror Image of *The Sicilian Scene.*
In as much as it is *exactly* the *same* - just back to front.
As though seen through a glass darkly.
none in ten would get away
Haha, he said the title of the movie.
Stupidity never dies
Stephen King updated us on the consequences of changing history in 11/22/63.
"The past doesn't want to be changed."
There's no certainty that events once altered would happen again in a different fashion. That is speculation.
It's ironic that this always gets cited as THE example in this particular ethical thought experiment, given that the elimination of Hitler would almost undoubtably make little or no difference - a reality surely known to many of those that pose the question, though the may deny it even to themselves.
On the way up, the Thule Society and others cultivated and nurtured multiple different Aryan Messiah candidates and multiple different Nazi Party analogs, selected and developed in order to conform to a profile, become the embodiment of the archetype of what Hitler rose to became upon entering power - had he died or not worked out (and there were many, many failed attempts and wash-outs), it could just as easily have Furher Otto Dickel or General Kapp rather than Adolf Hitler, and made no difference, and once the quantum superposition of probabilities collapsed around the choice that it WAS to be Adolf Hitler, his managers began the practice of deploying a cadre of multiple doubles, look-alikes, clones and impersonators almost immediately (as confirmed in a TIME Magazine article of 1933), so you could never be sure that the one you were shooting at was the real Hitler... Because they all were.
Hitler is a persona, not a person.
If you kill him, it doesn't really matter - the archetype is eternal, it is not a mortal thing of flesh.
A much better example for study on this question would be "Would You Kill Napoleon?" or, "Would you kill Alexander the Great or Julius Ceasar?" - because that really WOULD alter the course of established historical events.
its human nature to try. if the effect is doubly worse than our cause its still in humans nature to try. if hitlers or alexanders replacement is worse then its lets try the next eternal archetype. its human nature to try n fail then to not try n fail.
you’re right sr👍🏻
No.
That's just the wallpaper that used to be awful at the time, otherwise, the film is great.
The Thing Which He Does Not See in this case is as follows :
*Killing is Wrong; Murder is a Crime; and Treason is Odious* - the solution therefore is to NOT Kill Hitler.
But instead to provoke him into killing *YOU* , in front of other, more respectable people who would regard the idea that Bad People should be killed by individuals, Men of Good Conscience as unconscionable ( who then acted accordingly. )
Which is exactly what happens in The Sicilian Scene - exact and precise in every detail.
if you save 99 by killing one to do so r u a murderer? yes you are a murderer, but r u a murderer?
It's pretty much what he did when his plan failed. He couldn't get a clear shot of Stilson, but the photgrapher got a clear shot of him using a baby as a human shield while his right hand man shot Johnny.
Hey dum dum, he had a clear vision that Stilson would launch nukes. So his life to save billions.
11:11 3-17-2022
A question I would ask anybody from (or in) China about Xi Jinping.
Or if you could prevent the Assassination of JFK, or Abraham Lincoln.
#SOCIA
#CERN
#CASABLANCA
#ERUDITE
#CZECH
TRUMP? REPUGLYCANS?
looks like you were proven dead wrong there libtard- in 4 years Trump caused ZERO wars and no US soldier died on his watch becuase of him unlike Biden