Panthera Motorsports YZ250 Electric Start Is Junk | Highland Cycles
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- I do not recommend the E start kit for the YZ250 at all! Sorry to Panthera and Sebastien but this video is the truth!
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I like that you keep it real with us. Thanks for the long term update on this one.
You bet
This is great haha . You are what TH-cam used to be. Thanks man for the real videos
Thank you for that
Love the honest down to earth reviews. Hard to come by these days cause everyone is "sponsored"
That’s the goal
Hey man, that's a fair review imo. You literally saved me 1200 bucks, espically knowing that the owner of the company is a tool. Ill keep kicking my KX man!!!!
I love when people give REAL reviews and not the “Well maybe it’s for you and maybe not BS” Thanks
The mechanical portions of the kit is flawless. Have over 400 hours on mine , I did have the shit charging system at first and went through two stators before going back to the stock stator , other then that the kits are bulletproof
I wish I had done that.
Can you run the stock stator with the kit, or did you go back to manually charging the battery?
Really glad you put it straight for us. I was dreaming of the Estart for a while, I kept going to the website to order then last second back out. Ahhhh I'll wait ... right. Glad I follow my gut feeling
Morgan is a legit mechanic. Multiple time he could have taken advantage of my Walline and never did. We all wish we had a mechanic on our side like Morgan
Thanks man
hey Morgan you're videos on point. I've had my estate kit for 4 months now and I haven't had issues. I'm an aircraft mechanic so maintenance and troubleshooting are fairly easy for me. some things I think they could improve upon.
1. fit and finish is like 90% there. the parts look and feel well made, but the final finishing needs some love.
2. the installation instructions are garbage. I had to rework a couple of the steps to do a better job.
3. this is only for the starter kit with no generation. the rivets they send are about 2 dash lengths to short and are wayyy to hard. there is no way you could buck them with just a hammer and a punch. I ended up using aviation rivets and they seem to be working.
overall I'd recommend the starter kit only with no generation. it's saved me alot of energy especially on the steep stuff. I think they did a descent job if your willing to deal with some hassle getting it installed.
But you should not need that hassle/modding for that kind of coin , it not cheap afer all
I’d have to agree 90% on this issue. We’ve been in communications since you started I did mine the exact same time we had similar problems. I went a different route and use the OEM fly wheel and OEM stater and re-riveted the starter gear. Seems my friends that all got the stater and fly wheel the more expensive kit had
nothing but problems. Would I do it again Ahh. I have to say that I probably started my bike 2000 times and I’ve already eaten one starter.
Panthera restart with OEM fly wheel Apex head pro circuit pipe. She rips. Thanks for getting the info out there
Dude, thank you for the honest review! The power of the Internet is the ability to post a video like this. If the company owner is telling you to take videos down, you're probably sharing information that he wants to suppress...
Great video. I WANT to hear about crap products, or ones that don't work, or not worth the money... please keep them coming 🙂
Will do for sure
Dude your side burns rule! I just saw the 600 panther video, and thought, how clever. Thanx 4 the heads up.
Yeah. I’ll never give that guy anymore of my money
@@highlandcycles 🤣
Thank you for your honesty. I am in that same boat with others of their dream being dashed for a YZ or YZX with e-start and a set up for lights. I am completely confident you saved me 2k in purchasing a useless product and great disappointment. I think for now I will concentrate on finding a system to get lights on the YZX. Thanks again for the honest review. I find it so easy to get sucked in by these sponsored reviewers. YOU ARE that rare (very) honest tradesman that are sooo hard to find these days! All the best to you!
If you haven't already, check out the Fisch Moto electric start kit for the yz250s, they are more simple, more reliable, cheaper and the customer reviews are great. I am planning to buy the Fisch Moto kit myself too.
I have a 1988 Cr500 and I considered buying a panthera e-start. Fortunately I found some forums where they were torn to shreds by some very knowledgeable sounding commenters. Today I saw a video about their new 600cc engine. I pray they’ve learned a lesson and improved their quantity and will be successful selling them.
I doubt that highly they seem like a run and gun style of company, not much actual enegineering involved
And the owner is a jerk
@highlandcycles yeah that says a lot on an expirmental product like this, in the drift scene there is this guy who does the exact opposite where he makes adapter plates to run manual transmissions behind engines that never had manual transes, they have had a few issues, but the owner always spoke up and stated the reason for failure, and how they were planning on fixing it
Hell one of my buddies cars almost burn med down because his flexplet hit his firewall and cut his fuel lines, they even offered to cover the cost of the car iirc
@@TylerBigHead that is definitely the exact opposite of this guy. That’s how you do biz
@@highlandcycles Sabastian is a Quebecer, like Justin Trudeau. ⚜👎
We appreciate the honesty. Makes sense.. for as many yz250s as there are you never see one with this starter kit. Too bad cause it was a good idea. 🤷♀
Yep
The mechanical portions of the kit is flawless. Have over 400 hours on mine , I did have the shit charging system at first and went through two stators before going back to the stock stator , other then that the kits are bulletproof
I really hope them guys get it figured out.. maybe they should do more testing. 👍 You can't win if you don't enter!!
Thanks brother for your Integrity !!
Couldn’t agree more with you. I bought the Panthera E start for my CR500 and found out the hard expensive way that it is junk. Stator never made correct spark at high RPM causing a bad misfire. Very hard to diagnose, but ended up figuring out the Panthera stator was arc’ing to the crankcase and grounding out. Changed back to my OEM stator and put the kick start back on and haven’t looked back. Bike runs great and pulls hard again.
Bummer
Morgan you have every right to bad mouth product that is no good and let the people know about it so they don't get suckered and ripped off. Thank you for your honesty I like the fact that you keep it real
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Approximately 160 hours on mine.... Had the original stator go bad at about 10 hours, replaced under warranty. Original starter motor went bad shortly thereafter and was replaced under warranty... it went bad right away. Went through 2 DB Electrical starters in about the next 40 hours, and both died due to getting moisture in the starter. (do a lot of river crossings) Now I have a cheap ebay starter on it that has lasted the entire summer. Get a few drips every now and then from where the wires go through the rubber grommet. Other than that, I can't imagine being without it now. Yes it was a pain in the ass in the beginning, Yes it's overpriced and Yes I would do it all over again as there is currently no other options out there for our bikes. If I didn't absolutely love my Steel frame, Big Bore, SSS suspension bike, I would definitely buy a Sherco or Beta. No Orange or White bikes in my future.... They have their own set of problems.
You are more patient than me. My carbed KTM has been trouble free for over 450 hrs. Gonna see if I can break a 23’ here soon
@@highlandcycles Yours has been trouble free because it's a carb model and not TPI. Hopefully with the new TBI models, they can put some of their troubles behind them. That and you actually know how to take care of your bikes! Really enjoy your content!
Big sad.. wanted it to work out so I could get it. But sounds like it's not worth the trouble. Thanks for trying it for us
You bet. That’s why I bought it.
Thanks for your honesty!
I have to respectfully say I've had my CR250 panthera e start now for over a year and it has been flawless ..starts everytime..not one single problem...With that said,maybe they learned from their mistakes on the yz starter..I would definitely recommend it for the CR 250...makes it even better for an old guy like me...
And, they have had a ton of experience with CR500’s. There is just something not right about the YZ one. But I have talked to a lot of others and there are problems with a bunch of their stuff. I think a lot has to do with the size of the company and the quality control on the parts they out source. The parts they built were solid for me.
@@highlandcycles I have good experience with their cr 500 big bore kit. But it is sad that guy won’t admit if there is something wrong in that yz250 starter kit. They should stand behind their products and when something goes wrong they should admit it.
Electric starters are a wonderful luxury these days, but people really got lazy. The YZ kick-starts so easily. Cheers for your honest review.
Love your vids. Started following you when I got my panthera kit and found your videos. I was one of the early ones to have this kit, we've all had the same problems, its all about what you're trying to accomplish and managing expectations. I want a japanese, carbed, estart woods 2 stroke, and this is the only way I see. I am also a tinkerer. I don't mind having to work on my stuff when I ride (when I have time). I have the leak at the grommet, stator went out, starter went out, wires pulled out of connector b/c they were too short, starter button went bad, etc. Sebastien engineered a great product, but he spec'd garbage for all the electronics and he knows it but is too much of a dick to admit/fix it. I actually think it's all fixable if you are persistent. There is a thread on thumpertalk where folks have found quality replacements for all his chinese garbage.
Nice. That is good to know. It’s just such a bummer that he is the way he is.
thanks for the heads up
My stator blew up at the grinding stone last year. Had to swap back to stock stuff in the pits. Loved it while it lasted, might never go back on.
Yep. That seems to be the common thing
Uh oh…kiss of death for this product.
Why are you saying sorry???? You're spot on! They should be saying sorry to anyone who bought one and for not standing behind their product. In my opinion the Panthera e-start is an epic failure. Myself and 3 of my riding buddies have all had dealings with Sebastien and dealt with all the issues with the Panthera e-start. We've all removed the e-start and/or upgraded to a factory equipped bike with electric start so were not pushing our bikes out of the woods.
Start designing the Highland Cycles electric start for the yz. I would buy it.
i am also an independent motorcycle mechanic. i have installed a number of these kits. It has damaged relations between myself and some customers as they are convinced its all my fault when the issues mentioned in your video crop up. I do no longer offer those installs
Yeah. I wouldn’t touch one with a 10 ft pole
Such a shame it didn't work out. I feel like there's a really good market out there for them to get it right to support all the legacy bikes...
For the price you pay that certainly puts a sour taste if you don't have a positive experience
For sure. I think it would be such a rad product if it worked really well.
Tnx for telling us brother..
Keepin it real!!! We love that!! 💯
Well done Morgan, sometimes the truth hurts but hey
Thank you for your honest review!
I guess the happy button isn't so happy in this instance... Thanks for sharing the info!
You bet
Canadian forget in America we have freedom of speech and we don't capitulate to those we offend with truth and experiences.
Truth hurts….panthera can choose to fix it or keep it quiet. Thanks for the truth!
You bet. Just wish the owner didn’t suck
Hear hear!!!
Was about to buy one of these thank god I seen this video got a 06 250f bored out to a 280 from the previous owner is there anything other then panther I can get to make mine electric?
Purely belta shooting from the lip well said
Lol I am glad I stumbled on this video, I literally had one in my shopping cart ready to go. I guess that $$$ would be best spend on a Rekluse (to help with my nerve problems and endurance)
Yep! Don't do the e start
@@highlandcycles One quick question: The tank you have on there IMS? I am needing some range that doesn't involve me singing an octave higher (Acerbis tank)
@@stoplogicmotorsports it is the ZipTy IMS tank.
You should do the new Fisch Moto electric start kit and make a video. I would love an electric start on my 250x for those hairy spots i get myself into but i just dont know if its worth getting that one. Ive seen and heard alot of people not liking the panthera kits but i would love for you to get the Fisch Moto electric start and give a gods honest install/ride/review.
I’d like to but I don’t have a YZ anymore and my kid doesn’t want it on his.
@@highlandcycles killing me smalls! lol, innowayfamous had a prototype in one of his videos but he didn’t really elaborate on it too much and I don’t believe he has it on his bike now
as usual. If you are not, winning races, don’t blame the bike and start into the aftermarket, experimenting with unproven over the long haul designs.. oh sure, you may be able to do some cylinder modifications that make the bike feel and sound like it’s making more power, and it might even be making more power, but in a more concentrated power band that is not complemented by the gear ratios in your gearbox .. what good is it to have three more horsepower at 3000 RPMs higher than stock, with the loss of 6 hp from your low rpm grunt? .. it’s not a practical trade off ..Believe it, or not, the factory knows more than you do. The factory has spent millions to make a machine that is powerful and reliable. They want a good reputation so they can continue to stay in business .. aftermarket companies can only dream about having a R&D department with millions invested in development equipment with real engineers ..
Leave your bike stock, and concentrate on improving your riding skills.. concentrate on setting up your suspension better, concentrate on setting up each corner to have a higher exit speed, concentrate on being in the right gear at the right rpm, Concentrate on your braking skills, and stop falling for gimmicks…
I modified my road racing machine into a useless power of junk my first year. I was blaming the bike for me not winning, actually, it was me that was slow…
I started my second season on a box stock, engine/exhaust/airbox equipped machine.. over the next seven years, I won six championships, and two time. National champion on a totally stock running machine… I sometimes got protested, accused of cheating, because my machine was one or 2 miles an hour faster than the next fastest machine in TopSpeed by radar. actually, my bike wasn’t faster, the competition made their bikes slower by going for gimmicks..
of course I upgraded suspension and tires, but I would not deviate from Stock inside that engine.. I did a little things to the bike like 10 weight motor oil in the wheel bearings. light oil in the gearbox. Higher tire pressures, new broken in chains. A worn chain and sprockets can cost you as much as 6 hp ask any dynamometer operator about that.
since my engine was totally stock , it was reliable, and I finished races, and actually learned how to ride, Street bike riding is nothing like racetrack riding .. Believe me, you have never been there in the street. Your brain is not used to processing information at that speed until you’ve been there especially the closing speeds with that first gear corner coming up at the end of the sixth gear top speed straight.. Braking is the hardest thing to Master.. I learned how to pick lines, read the surface of the road, how to really use the brakes, how to set up every corner to have the highest exit speed.. part of my success was due to the fact that my competitors were modifying their machines, making them slower and less than reliable in many cases..
everybody blames the bike first for not winning.. it’s not your bike, it’s you that is slow..
Electric start isn't a gimmick. It is really nice and in some cases can be the difference between winning and losing.
Hoping the 96-01 CR250 kit is better. They already took my money just waiting for the kit. I don't have new KTM or Beta money. Just trying to enjoy my old CR and RIDE! The kit would have been a nice down payment tho. LOL
Hahaha. They have been making those much longer.
Hey look into the fisch e-start
Yeah. That looks cool.
Do a review of it please !!!
@@highlandcycles Would love to just see if the Fisch is an improvement or just a re-brand. What are your initial thoughts?
@@psyborg1217 I think it’s better
Never have I ever thought “man I wanna add 5-10 lbs to my yz250 it’s too hard to kick it once”
Yeah. I wanted to see if it was possible to give a YZ the button and show the world if it worked. Well, it doesn’t
Except in single-track, you're not only kicking it just once.
@@michaelwendler5589 I ride the nastiest high alpine stuff here in Idaho. Just gotta get good!
@@MrFPSWisconsin Maybe, but it's super nice to not have to kick it all the time. I made up my mind to install it after getting a huge hematoma, which turned into a blood clot in my leg, after slipping while trying to kick it with wet boots. My 325 cylinder has a little more kickback than a 250.
I’d agree with you if my bad hip didn’t require me to lean up against my truck to kick it.
Wow, didn't know you had a lot of hassle with that. I kept saying maybe a Yamaha and get the kit but NOPE it sounds like not the thing to tell people. I thought all your other videos were pretty positive of the unit and you kept it real that this is what happened, this is what you might need to do etc. A company saying to take those down, LOL What they should have done is provided you support in maybe helping them find the issues and get feedback and fix the issues and when they fix the issues send you another unit and probably compensate you for YOUR time in doing so. which could have lead to a lot more videos for YOU, and even though you are keeping it real still they are fixing the product and showing they are a great company that stands behind their product. Tells me they really didn't test their product all that much in the real world before selling them.
Isn't this the same company that makes the 500CC engines too? I was seriously considering one of those kits...thought it be a great rental to have as it would be unique. I'll stay away from that idea now.
They are the same. After dealing with the owner, I will never give them another penny. I tried to explain that I was understanding how small they are and how new the product was and was just trying to help the customers out. But he got super angry and was nothing but an ass. I asked if he had actually watched the videos because they were positive to the company and he told me it didn’t matter. That my thumbnails were too mean. I didn’t post this vid until now because I was still pulling for them until recently when this bike just kept having issues and they wanted money for the stator and for me to pay to ship the flywheel back.
Nothing wrong with reporting the truth about your experience
For sure
thanks
If people “suffer in silence” Problems perpetuate, and resolution/evolution/solutions Never come to be ! Do NOT take Flaws, Bad Service, etc sitting down (silent). Speak Up ! Do something ! Start with Rationally seeking a Resolution, escalate if attempts are ignored.
I have over 200 hours on mine and it's been perfect. No issues. Sebastian definitely should hire someone to work customer service for him, he isn't good at it.
Good to hear. Not many people can say that
@@highlandcycles I think the negatives are amplified as per usual. If you have nothing to complain about then you’re not on the internet complaining.
It’s now on my second bike and it hasn’t missed a beat. Just some leaking at the groomer on my first install. Second install was much better. Also fixed up some wiring but otherwise it’s been rock solid.
@@Dropsix that’s good. Mine was really a problem.
I literally just had about 2-3 km push back to the pits cause of one of these kits a couple months ago at a trail ride 😭😅 mates had a few problems with his kit.
They suck
I had been thinking about getting one of these for my kdx220.
Even though it’s super easy to start with a kick, it would’ve been killer to have a push button for it. At almost a $1,000 usd it’s ridiculous they have so many problems. Glad I didn’t pull the trigger immediately, sometimes things like this are too good to be true
Yep. I was very hopeful
Love the honesty 😂
I had all the same experience with my CR500
Bummer
I have the newest gen of the starter have also found a few problems with the kit and ordering but it has been pretty well flawless so far!! ran it on my 01 and moved it to my 22 so far only 2 issues the flywheel rubbed the clutch lever on the 22 and im getting some leakage from where the wires go through the boot. IM NOT ENDORSING EITHER SIDE ON THIS ONE just my experience so far
I’m glad yours has been OK. Does yours have the charging system? That seems to be the biggest failure. And to me if I have a starter, I also want lights. I hope yours stays good
@@highlandcycles
Full system had all the lights going on the 01 haven’t swaped everything to the 22 yet just the starting system and battery at some point the changed the stator to a 70wt for the 90 I believe and I don’t know how yours was but there is a gap setting between the one way clutch and the gear im guessing so the welds don’t cause an issue it’s not perfect but with my short legs is a starter or a rekluse I prefer no rekluse
What model is your 01?
I just bought this bike from that kid. The e-start came with the bike but it’s in pieces in a box. Needless to say, I’m busy ripping the rest of it out now. Wiring, battery, everything. Not a fan.
Good move man.
New to MX bikes. If I'm looking at a YZ125, would I not be able to install an e-start used on YZ250F's? I wouldn't know if Yamaha would even sell the e-start on it's own.
There is no option for the 125
Saying it how it is love that word Jerk 👍
Yep
I only by bikes I can kick start...especially when your out bfe
Yep. Good move
Can i ask something sir i bee happy if you make a video fo yz426f 2000 model and convert it all plastic that can fit in yz426f like a latest yz plastic kit sir tnx i’ll be waiting for it tnx advance..keep more video.
Sorry. I don’t have any of those bikes to work on
Best to be honest
The public (who has basically no knowledge like you have) appreciates your testing of products. The company just needs to go back to the drawing board and work out the kinks before they offer it to the masses.
Agree. It’s a fantastic idea.
Wish someone could build a Kickstart kit for a new ktm lol
Sebastian is a jerk, I've had a run in with multiple issues with the starter kit. Every time i asked for help he blamed me. Wire harness too short, my fault. Stater bad, my fault. The YZ is meant to be a simple MX bike. You can piss thousands of dollars away trying to turn the YZ into a Beta or KTM but it's still a motocross machine. I may have had a different opinion if the Pantera system worked as advertised but it didn't. I ride Beta now, no regrets on the purchase. Thanks Sebastian, you pushed me to a new bike.
Agree 100%
Is there any way to put a Yamaha setup from like WR onto the YZ?
No
Thx
Have you considered the Fisch Moto electric start kit?
Not really. I tried the panthera one and it sucked. I am sure the Fisch is better but if I am going to do that I want a charging system and I don't think fisch has that.
The one on my CR seems to fit way better than the YZ
But I am not charging the battery of the stator
Your definitely not the only one who thinks Sebastian is a real eh-hole. I've heard similar stories from several people.
Oh I know
Anybody heard about the other Yz Estart kit that was supposed to be being developed, innowayfamous was beta testing it. Then suddenly the info on it ceased and now I can’t find it.
I haven’t heard anything. I am worried that something didn’t work out
@@highlandcycles 👍
If u don’t like kicking a little 250 2stroke u should be on a electric bike
Damn its a bummer that its junk, i wanted nothing more than a ktm killer.
I had visions of hard enduros with a 250x e start
From what I hear, some of the folks who got the setup that didn’t have the charging system are having better luck.
@@highlandcycles cool thanks give me some hope
Lets be honest, if someone bad mouths your company and then asks for replacement parts anyone would be annoyed and might seem like a jerk.
I did nothing but praise the company and the product before they acted like that. If you watch my earlier vids I keep saying how stoked I am on it but I point out the real problems and how to fix. It wasn’t until he started acting like a jerk that I called him out.
Kit should have the battery box in the kit. Poor at est I would never buy one.
i heard the fisch moto one is way better. Ive heard alot of bad things about ASSthera
It's up to 1900.00! Without a battery... using Chinese knock off parts!! If you are small company with no r and d budget you need to have incredible customer service to make up the difference when thing go sideways...
Yep and they don’t
No doubt, a lot of cash to have people beta testing their unit. Obviously it wasn't tested in the field.
shame the estarter kit for the YZ didnt work out . doesnt help when the owner of the company is a d!ck bag
100%
Easier to kick. than add all the unnecessary aftermarket garbage which doesn't work and adds weight
Yep
Is that the "Huge Dirt Biker" talking? 🤣
It is!!
Alright I think I’ll stick to the kickstarter lol
Good move
I have a horrible experience with my kit wasted all last summer going back and forth with sending parts back it sucked put a sour taste in my mouth and ended up just buying a new husky
Sweet hat on a somber video.
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Don’t understand why people would buy one of these kits, a 250 is easy to kick over and if it isn’t to you, then you should be riding it. The kit is 2k which is a rip off even at that I would expect the quality 10/10 which it isn’t. I just don’t get why people don’t buy an Austrian bike as they really don’t break unless they’re fuel injected versions
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People are such pansies these days, is it really that hard to kickstart a bike? 🤦♂️
Agree but when you’re on the side of a gnarly hill and you stall it…
@@highlandcycles just me but if I can’t kick start it I’m fine with accepting that I ran out of skill and going back down to try again, that being said my only bike right now is a xr650L which has e start so I’m full of shit 🤣🤣 but my next bike will be a yz250 for sho
Wait, isn’t that what was on your YZ?
Yep. Watch the vid. That’s my old YZ on the lift. With more e start problems
@@highlandcycles I posted that as I watched the video. Thought it was just a shop bike that got sold. Kudos for keeping it real for us all.
saved me $1500!!!
Sweet
Pretty bias position he paints. Sounds like he had issues with the starter. And everything after that was because of the electric start. Just thinking about something doesn't make it so. He says that the kid likely could've ran it down the road wide-open throttle or in third beer right open problem not knowing how to shift or whatever. But then immediately dismiss dismiss is it for no reason. If it's not a brand new bike or the brand new build. I get you had issues and it sucks. But I've seen too many units that work flawlessly to believe this crap. To me it's a little bit like TPI. They work out the kinks early on there were some issues and that has been acknowledged. But now if you get one and have an issue it's immediately blamed on it. Not very scientific.
Ok man but I have talked to a lot of folks who’ve had nothing but problems with these kits.
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Didn't execute it well, too right.
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Those starters are junk I knew it from the get-go if it isn't designed in Japan or Austria it probably ain't worth 💩
Yep
100% agree thing is junk and i will never recommend anything panthera offers to any customer ,terrible product my and dont accept returns now my buddy has a $1400 paper weight lol
Yep, I can't stand the owner if I am honest.
Use that starter for a paper weight its useless
Agree
Too bad..
My question isn't why didn't Panthera get it right (Obviously, they could have done better but , at least they tried) The real question is why doesn't Yamaha wake up and give the customer what they want! It's because they just don't care about off road 2 strokes! There, I said it! Flame away Yamaha Fanboys!
Agree. I can’t believe that Yamaha doesn’t do this
Yeah it’s gay, you don’t need e start. If you do need it, buy a ktm husky
E start on yz250?only if you one leg 🦵