Nice to see an e start option for current yz250x owners. Imo Yamaha has a following. They need to raise the bare and make their own e start version and geared more to hard enduro. Ultimately a 250 and 300 that would compete against the KTM market. Riders would be happy !! Until then, the KTM will have the most bang for the buck imo.
Ive seen a lot of guys over the years try to convert any year YZ250 to a enduro/HS race bike but I would still would take my trusty 08 250xc-w over one. A decent used KTM 250/300 goes for about $3k and most have a title already too, which is a really big deal if you want to register/plate any bike these days just to do a turkey run, enduro, or ride local legal riding area. Long ago before KTM had the current rep it does, I converted/registered a 98 CR250 for off road/enduro use and loved it for many years but you cant convert the MSO to a title on the Jap bikes anymore in most states. Imagine how good that CR would be today if Honda still made and developed it. Kinda hard tounderstand why Yamaha took so long just to get the 250x where it is now.
I'm glad there's finally an option. But it would be great if Yamaha put on their game face and go a proper e-start, sixth gear, hydraulic clutch, and lights for those countries where you can register two strokes for road use. I know many of us riding eurotrash would change over in a heart beat. 😢
So true. I bet there’s people at the company that would love to work on the 2 strokes but probably company politics or revenue growth elsewhere that just have the yzx 2 strokes on the back burner
All this tec and no how is sitting on Yamaha shelves right now, they admitted to it 20 years ago already, clean burning 2 strokes, e- start, hyd. clutch,..etc. I'd drrop the money in a minute. Hey throw on the WR lighting kit as well, I'll take it off to race motocross my self. YAMAHA WAKE UP!!!! SALES PROVE IT!!! YOU KIND OF ADMITTED TO IT BY THROWING US A BONE WITH THE YZ125X, SCREW THAT OVER PRICED KTM STUFF.
And then pay as much as a euro bike because RnD and more bits. But with a super stiff aluminum frame instead. Oh wait, we were in fantasy land weren't we? 🤔
I'm a yz125x and YZ250x woods rider. I prefer kick start only bikes for the simplicity and reliability . I'm a weekend warrior and not an Erzberg candidate. I work a lot and travel and time is precious. I also own multiple street bikes that add to the motorcycle maintenance time suck. With my yz's they're always ready to go. Just gas n go. I like that. No chasing corroded grounds or replacing batteries or starters or any parts like that for the life of the bike. I tend to keep my bikes 3-5 years sometimes a lot longer . I do all of my maintenance and keep the bikes in good condition. Now I know someone is going to say how reliable their Euro bike is and I totally get it. If I just owned 1 or 2 bikes and rode hard Enduro exclusively then I definitely would get a European bike. But I am so thankful that Yamaha offers a high quality plain old dirt bike without bells and whistles. I am VERY thankful that the YZ 2t bikes are exactly like they are. My bikes run flawlessly and I need nothing more than what they are. Carburators and Kayaba and I don't want anything else . My 2 cents. Great Channel TrailBound 👍 p.s. I like all bikes and all brands, were I to get say a KTM I'd go for a SX model and modify for woods for the same reasons that I stated above. If that makes sense.
I love the YZ250X. Estart would be a boon but I'm not itching for it. They should put the old WR 1st and 2nd gears in. Give us a true granny gear. Install an aftermarket head like from Apex Technical Innovations. I got mine for $4500 last year super clean and 60+ hours and I'm not looking back. I have put on about 90 hours this year so far
A 4Th gear from a 2000 YZ250 fits a 2019 250X and the WR400 and WR426 from 1998 and up. Might get lucky.. Iv been wanting to do the DR gear swap in my 2006 RM250.. The RMX trans wont work and the DR is not compatible anymore I don't think. Some day tho! Lol
For guys with an old yz or buying a cheap used one this is a great option. I love the unlimited places to get parts for these bikes. Love to see one for the 125 as well.
I think all they would need to do with the 250x is add a e-start, counter balance and a heavier flywheel and Yamaha would easily be able to go head to head with the European bikes. I would be all over the 250x if it came with an e-start.
What's with 2 stroke bikes that aren't counter balanced these days? Hell my 1992 yamaha WR200 was counter balanced. Get with the program. Years ago I bought a cheap broken 1999 250exc and once I got it going I sold it after 3 rides due to all the vibration.
NICKDOG154 I do get salty hearing that estart on my buddies rides. Especially when it stalls in awkward spots. I think a auto recluse will solve most of my problems
If I already owned a YZ250X I would be very interested in this e-start kit. It looks like a good option where there was previously no option, but on it's own, not a reason to buy a YZ250X in my opinion. Now Panthera needs to get to work on a counter balancer kit.
Got an update the kit does not come with a battery because they cant ship International. "The kit comes with a battery box made to receive the antigravity ag-801 battery"
I think it’s awesome we can go out and buy $2500 yz250s all day long. Spend $1200 to get the estart and now you’ve got a bike you can really go out and thrash in the nasty stuff and not feel bad about it. Just buy another $2500 yz and transfer the estart. It’s brilliant!
I bought a 2018 Beta 300RR back in April of '18. It's a great bike for the most part. I love the fact that it has the magic button. I was TOTALLY on the YZX camp, but man, the button is REALLY good to have, just like you mentioned. I'd probably dump my Beta for an FACTORY YZX if it had the button, and more of a engine like my Beta. My Beta is like a tractor when you need it, but can explode with power on top. Also, the adjustable power valve is icing on the cake.
At 51 years old.. an estart would be nice.. but the X is so light and easy to ride. I'm not dying for one.. at almost $1300 I'll keep kicking but cool kit.. and I think could be a good addition for some riders.. but I'd love to have that 80 watt stator for lights..
Look at the klx250s starter motor placement .The aluminum housing is similar, however clocked back a bit, and the starter motor is rotated 90 degrees so it sits over the crank case tucked behind the cylinder, i think its something they could consider doing that would provide more protection to the starter motor.
I dont ride a yz250x but I do hard enduro my 2018 yz250, E-start would be nice, 1300 usd is a bit much. I think it would be awesome if we got the Australian version of the yz250xR , they get a road legal version that comes with on-off lights, yup signals and high low beam horn and key switch, BUT IT STILL NEEDS A 6 SPEED, theres times I wish I could crawl a bit slower and go way faster up top. My suspension would be stiff if I was lighter, (I'm 230lbs) so that part I find ok. Counter balancer to smooth out the vibrations would also be lovely, as for the power, I wouldn't ever change that. I love my yz250 s power. It's nice when you gotta grab 2nd gear n get up a gnarly slippery hill where ktm guys are taking off in 3rd.
enduro trucker Ernie Desjardins the X gearbox is pretty good. 1st and 2nd are exactly the same as your YZ but third is lower which sounds weird but makes that gear of choice through most single track. I’ve clocked the top end at 90MPH. If you need more than that I can’t help you lol. 4th-5th gap is big but really it’s just for cruising.
Lot of butt hurt comments. Check my channel for a HONEST 2018 Beta 300RR review. I really like mine. I think it was a good buy and I have not had any major issues with it.
I see myself destroying that expensive, exposed unit first drop. I still think Beta or a left over KTM is a better deal overall that is built for what I do. It would be nice to see Yamaha give birth to a bike that doesn’t have MX in its gene pool.
Michael Tucker agree. If you want something cheaper than just buy a Sherco that has almost all of the same parts. The YZ is just so far behind the times.
First, at 1:43 you have video of my KX500, so I may have a unique perspective. Do I think it’s worth the upgrade and does this put the YZX on KTM’s level? It depends on how much you love your X as to if it's worth it. The X's are well made, comfortable, and reliable. That said they are outdated when compared to a KTM. Bolting a E-Start on the X will not make it perform like a KTM. You will still have a bike stuck at a Y2K level. If you want a Yamaha that performs on the level of a KTM, buy a KTM, Put blue, white, or black plastics on it, have a custom Yamaha graphics kit made and go confuse people with it, it's fun. But if your a true Yamaha fan and love your X, it's worth every penny.
Here’s a mental note with ktm parts... KTM Doesn’t change too much parts between different size bikes... for just 1 example.. my radiator was $300 for my XCW well I ended up ordering the radiator for a 125 spent $114 and fit like a glove same exact measurements.
A mate of mine bought one for his new YZ250X and had to wait 6 months for it to get to Australia .. then after fitting it up, the spark is so week with the replacement stator that it won't start .. and its not like he can just take it back to the shop to exchange the faulty item for a working one, cos it comes from Canada .. its a total debacle
Coincidentally Chris, I was looking at these again today to see if there was any reviews yet, and nope. I'm just not sure I want to be the $1250 guinea pig. It says the complete kit with the battery weighs 5,7 lbs. but I'm not sure that it comes with the battery either.
Rizzo44 Rizzo yeah they only told me the weight didn’t answer when I asked about battery 🧐 I haven’t heard anything bad from the CR and KX guys so might be solid??
this winter Im looking to buy a used 2019 KTM 300 XC(fingers are crossed for a lectron, lol). They hold their value well, and Im tempted when I see a 250x for sale at much less, yammys rock too!
Totally appreciate the effort this company is making but Yamaha should take serious note! With this add on, your nearing the cost of an Austrian bike, maybe more after brakes and hydro clutch. Adjustable power valve is a plus as well. I’m a big Yamaha fan but until they step up, most riding Singletrack or enduro will look elsewhere. Come on, Yamaha, step up!!! Ca emissions BS may put the brakes on any potential remodel too. Bummer.
Yamaha NEEDS to make us a 2 stroke WR. I really want a Yamaha trail bike. WR 200, electric start, fuel and oil injected. Take my money! I have a hard on for the TE 150. The Beta 200rr is not Fi (oil injected tho) and has a crap turning radius.
MotoMadMan 45 it looks like they accomplished something like that with the new 125X. Let’s see if those changes make their way to the 250X in the future.
It doesnt have a wide ratio gearbox 1st, 2nd and 3rd are the same as the moto version, 4th and 5th are wider but going fast doesn't matter when your in the thick technical stuff. If I want or need to go that fast I'll buy a street bike.
@@trentcarter616 3rd is not the same as the moto. It's closer to second. My point is, fifth is so damn tall you can gear it down to get your granny gear and fifth is still tall enough for the straights. I know this because I own one, I'm not just speculating like the rest of you.
Itd be nice to have for sure, but for what it is its way to expensive imo. I own an x with a lectron carb, She kicks sooo easy and honestly with the right fly wheel weight set up, if your stalling the bike you should probably turn around and go home. Lectron carb + FWW = no need for electric start on this bike, because you wont be stalling. Unless they can get the price down around the 400.00 range.
I love my 21' yz250x. I put a hydraulic clutch on it. I've done alot, but I'd love to have estart. Yes it's more maintanace with a battery but idk if over 1000 dollars is worth it. I'd really like a 6 speed like the yz125x, and a headlight and estart. Same Bike with a 6 speed and headlight would be perfect for me
I spun my right leg around on my 1991 cr500. I unfortunately will never Kickstart anything again. Want to buy a 250r atc or tri250 and no electric start.
I think it depends how cheap you can get a 250x for. I just bought a 2017 yz250x up in Canada two weeks ago for $3700 and brought it back down to Washington State. I don't need an e start that bad so im not buying one but i did get a 250x for cheap. They are great bikes for the money.
Do a little research. Panthera doesn't have a great name. Also they are using a PVL ignition. I had one on a kx500. they are great until you get them wet, then the next time they get hot they will die. trust me on this. I failed two. kept a spare one ready to go at the truck at all times. if you can keep your coolant temp under 175F you will be ok.
And to think- that I thought that Yamaha finally moved up into the 21 century, not. Guess I have to stick with my 2013 Husky TXC 310R, e start and kick start, EFI 4 stroke, mapped for unrestricted power, KYB suspension, Excell rimes rims, Brembo brakes, hydraulic clutch, 6 speed wr tranny and it was only $2500.
That's a pretty tough pill to swallow. I'd love to buy one, but at $1200+ then purchase the battery and finally install it yourself. I can see spending $1200 installed with battery, even that seems a bit excessive. I'll keep an eye open for price cuts, would be nice to have, unfortunately too high a price tag.
Beta in 2013 was the first to design and put the compact starter under the motor and then KTM copied there design a few years later. For almost the same money as the Yamaha you can get a Beta and it's ready to go race.
I have a Panthera starter on my CR500, if their system can reliably start a 500 starting a 250 will be a doddle... I'll be the first to admit the Panthera kit is far from perfect, but the ktm failed because it was very poorly designed/built, not the layout. (Think cheapest option on the most expensive bike, WP suspension anyone...) Have you looked at a YZ250? Where else do you think Panthera could put a starter and gear reduction? Putting a starter underneath, or anywhere else requires a complete engine case redesign. Then a new YZ would be the same price as a KTM as they recoup the developement costs.
I think its still better off to buy a 12 to 16 ktm W than a newer Yamaha and try to make something its not out of it . Especially if you like the hard stuff. I've got a friend that rides a Yamaha X and it's not a bad bike but way more mx than our ktm ws
It seems like Yamaha is waiting for more riders to buy their "X" series bikes before they really go after that market. Instead of pulling all the stops and making a Yamaha that gives nothing to the KTM. If they would just go for it and use the KTM recipe maybe the sales would be surprising,IMO.
From what I’m hearing there are some issues with the e-starter. It appears to be a fairly complex install also and it’s the first generation, so myself, I’d stay clear of the first iteration. I own a KTM 300xc-w and haven’t ridden anything that compares (including Yamaha). If your concerned about price then by all means go with the Yamaha, but if you want a true expert bike for tight trails then you need the KTM. My 2 cents.
Definitely has to come with the battery for that price. I wouldn't want a separate purchase. As for the YZ250X, Yamaha is not going to add a sixth gear, but they can lower 1st and 2nd gear and replace the rear sprocket with one or two extra teeth, so that 5th is closer to a 6th gear, while maintaining 1 & 2 gears churning down low.
I thought that Yamaha was finally putting e -start on the bike not an aftermarket option. Doesn't surprise me tho. As much money as KTM makes in the Enduro market you'd think Yamaha would invest in some R&D to have a E-Start ,hydrolic clutch, better gearing. I know the frame and suspension feels right so it wouldn't take much they have a good foundation. Just doesn't make sense to me guess they just love there motorcross which KTM kicks there ass most the time there too
They are in the 20+ year YZ250 club where MORE VIBRATION is better they still believe the myths KTM is not reliable bla bla bla. Meanwhile KTM is #1 in all of the Enduro events with Husky/Beta/ and all of the other EURO bikes.
It’s a great idea but the quality isn’t there using a Chinese starter motor off a Chinese quad. Also the gears coming off the motor wear out quick. Unfortunately all round poor engineering at a high cost.
noControl I meant the yz250x were 5500 new in the shop, just older model. I haven’t seen a new back year ktm for that low. Closest would be the SX and you’re still out am e start
@@chrispotter2948 Yes my math was off, too many beers, meant to say that if I were to spend an extra $1,200 to get e-start and SSS forks, I would rather put the money into the KTM and have a better e-start system
almost got excited. Thought that Yamaha got off their bums and brought the bike into modern tech....'as I am about to move from my WR450 to a Husky 300TX....would have preferred to stay team Blue, but...looks like it isn't going to happen.
Yamaha has been behind the ball for years. Sure you can pay $1200 (overpriced) and do their job for them but you still need the clutch brakes transmission and adjustable power valve. Oh and counter balancer too. Yamaha isn’t even in the game anymore
Jaime my 13 250xcw definitely vibrates less than my 06 yz250 did. Even if you factor that out the Yz still isn’t even close. I used to love the yz until I tried the xcw. I’ll never go back
2020 YZ250X in Australia $12 999 😝ouch. Then to add decent size fuel tank, and this e-start kit ( with the price conversion to U.S. dollars for us Aussies and shipping) definitely not worth it for me👎 when you can get a 2020 KTM 300EXC for $15 500 in Australia. Also no registration availability in Australia for the YZ's or YZX's 👎👎👎
Yamaha has to give me incentive to buy a new X. Gonna keep riding my 16 till its worn out. Get asked all the time what I'll buy next, gonna stick with the YZX.
After reading all the comments, sounds like everyone wants a ktm or husky. Seems to me counter balance and e-start from the factory I going to the price tag right up there with the Euro bikes. So I say pick your poison.
Call me old skool but I just don’t get all this noise about estart on a dirt bike. I want them as simple and light as possible. No way do I want to lug around a battery and extra electronics and gears just for the convenience of pushing a button. Gimme a simple kick start any day!
Do you think it’s worth the price and does this put the YZX on KTM’s level?
No hydraulic clutch, smaller gas tank, have to add the e start. Seems like ktm is still the winner.
Looks like a well made Good quality product, I reckon it's worth it, you know if money is a issue it's still way cheaper than the KTM.
Nice to see an e start option for current yz250x owners. Imo Yamaha has a following. They need to raise the bare and make their own e start version and geared more to hard enduro. Ultimately a 250 and 300 that would compete against the KTM market. Riders would be happy !!
Until then, the KTM will have the most bang for the buck imo.
Ive seen a lot of guys over the years try to convert any year YZ250 to a enduro/HS race bike but I would still would take my trusty 08 250xc-w over one. A decent used KTM 250/300 goes for about $3k and most have a title already too, which is a really big deal if you want to register/plate any bike these days just to do a turkey run, enduro, or ride local legal riding area. Long ago before KTM had the current rep it does, I converted/registered a 98 CR250 for off road/enduro use and loved it for many years but you cant convert the MSO to a title on the Jap bikes anymore in most states. Imagine how good that CR would be today if Honda still made and developed it. Kinda hard tounderstand why Yamaha took so long just to get the 250x where it is now.
brandon gardner or if your into Yamaha more and it’s not really a money issue..I ride with plenty of husaberg and KTM guys, they break a lot...
Was I the only guy that clicked thinking Yamaha added a factory e-start?
Juston Preble lol nope..
Click bait brother :p
Yes
Click bait
yeah I thought it was factory, bummer
I'm glad there's finally an option. But it would be great if Yamaha put on their game face and go a proper e-start, sixth gear, hydraulic clutch, and lights for those countries where you can register two strokes for road use. I know many of us riding eurotrash would change over in a heart beat. 😢
So true. I bet there’s people at the company that would love to work on the 2 strokes but probably company politics or revenue growth elsewhere that just have the yzx 2 strokes on the back burner
Hydraulic clutches are discussing
All this tec and no how is sitting on Yamaha shelves right now, they admitted to it 20 years ago already, clean burning 2 strokes, e- start, hyd. clutch,..etc. I'd drrop the money in a minute. Hey throw on the WR lighting kit as well, I'll take it off to race motocross my self. YAMAHA WAKE UP!!!! SALES PROVE IT!!! YOU KIND OF ADMITTED TO IT BY THROWING US A BONE WITH THE YZ125X, SCREW THAT OVER PRICED KTM STUFF.
And then pay as much as a euro bike because RnD and more bits. But with a super stiff aluminum frame instead. Oh wait, we were in fantasy land weren't we? 🤔
I'm a yz125x and YZ250x woods rider. I prefer kick start only bikes for the simplicity and reliability . I'm a weekend warrior and not an Erzberg candidate. I work a lot and travel and time is precious. I also own multiple street bikes that add to the motorcycle maintenance time suck. With my yz's they're always ready to go. Just gas n go. I like that. No chasing corroded grounds or replacing batteries or starters or any parts like that for the life of the bike. I tend to keep my bikes 3-5 years sometimes a lot longer . I do all of my maintenance and keep the bikes in good condition. Now I know someone is going to say how reliable their Euro bike is and I totally get it. If I just owned 1 or 2 bikes and rode hard Enduro exclusively then I definitely would get a European bike. But I am so thankful that Yamaha offers a high quality plain old dirt bike without bells and whistles. I am VERY thankful that the YZ 2t bikes are exactly like they are. My bikes run flawlessly and I need nothing more than what they are. Carburators and Kayaba and I don't want anything else . My 2 cents. Great Channel TrailBound 👍 p.s. I like all bikes and all brands, were I to get say a KTM I'd go for a SX model and modify for woods for the same reasons that I stated above. If that makes sense.
I love the YZ250X. Estart would be a boon but I'm not itching for it.
They should put the old WR 1st and 2nd gears in. Give us a true granny gear.
Install an aftermarket head like from Apex Technical Innovations.
I got mine for $4500 last year super clean and 60+ hours and I'm not looking back. I have put on about 90 hours this year so far
A 4Th gear from a 2000 YZ250 fits a 2019 250X and the WR400 and WR426 from 1998 and up. Might get lucky.. Iv been wanting to do the DR gear swap in my 2006 RM250.. The RMX trans wont work and the DR is not compatible anymore I don't think. Some day tho! Lol
For guys with an old yz or buying a cheap used one this is a great option. I love the unlimited places to get parts for these bikes. Love to see one for the 125 as well.
I think all they would need to do with the 250x is add a e-start, counter balance and a heavier flywheel and Yamaha would easily be able to go head to head with the European bikes. I would be all over the 250x if it came with an e-start.
Jason Canaday yes ,but Yamaha hate to do what you said,I think.
What's with 2 stroke bikes that aren't counter balanced these days? Hell my 1992 yamaha WR200 was counter balanced. Get with the program.
Years ago I bought a cheap broken 1999 250exc and once I got it going I sold it after 3 rides due to all the vibration.
@@chrispotter2948 maybe you should try golf lol
Then switch to a case Reed motor too.
the YZ is already a smooth bike, i would not add the weight of a counter balancer.
1200 bucks I'll stick with my leg!👍🏻
NICKDOG154 😂
Hahah ol trusty. That’s free gym time
NICKDOG154 hahahhaha
NICKDOG154 I do get salty hearing that estart on my buddies rides. Especially when it stalls in awkward spots. I think a auto recluse will solve most of my problems
@@HardEnduroLlewellyn When I hear that e-start I look and think what a Princess😂than I kick and think now that's Manly shit
If I already owned a YZ250X I would be very interested in this e-start kit. It looks like a good option where there was previously no option, but on it's own, not a reason to buy a YZ250X in my opinion. Now Panthera needs to get to work on a counter balancer kit.
Really dying to see a Yamaha 300 2T setup for Enduro.
You probably have nothing to live for
Got an update the kit does not come with a battery because they cant ship International. "The kit comes with a battery box made to receive the antigravity ag-801 battery"
So another 300$ Canadian lol. Ouch. That’s close to 2000$ Canadian after shipping. Even more after brokerage if you get tagged with em
Yamaha needs a 2 stroke enduro with light,e start,hydro clutch.....I would have one straight away 💙
I think it’s awesome we can go out and buy $2500 yz250s all day long. Spend $1200 to get the estart and now you’ve got a bike you can really go out and thrash in the nasty stuff and not feel bad about it. Just buy another $2500 yz and transfer the estart. It’s brilliant!
I bought a 2018 Beta 300RR back in April of '18. It's a great bike for the most part. I love the fact that it has the magic button. I was TOTALLY on the YZX camp, but man, the button is REALLY good to have, just like you mentioned. I'd probably dump my Beta for an FACTORY YZX if it had the button, and more of a engine like my Beta. My Beta is like a tractor when you need it, but can explode with power on top. Also, the adjustable power valve is icing on the cake.
Have you had any problems with the electric start since this post?
The button was flakey a couple of times, but it always would fire up. I have since sold the bike however. @@DanielS784
At 51 years old.. an estart would be nice.. but the X is so light and easy to ride. I'm not dying for one.. at almost $1300 I'll keep kicking but cool kit.. and I think could be a good addition for some riders.. but I'd love to have that 80 watt stator for lights..
From factory, hydro clutch, e-start, heavier flywheel, skidplate. Would be sweet
Sounds like a Sherco
@@Madtigertv except good!😁😂
@@liamheinzel8213 lmao Go back to 2005 and take your shitty YZ with you!
now your back at 1o grand compared to 7250.00
@@Madtigertv Imagine having a bike which hasn't changed since 05 and still hooning past some late model sherco bling! 😂✌
Look at the klx250s starter motor placement .The aluminum housing is similar, however clocked back a bit, and the starter motor is rotated 90 degrees so it sits over the crank case tucked behind the cylinder, i think its something they could consider doing that would provide more protection to the starter motor.
You should do a review on the hydra force dent remover I feel like this could benefit all of us and especially you haha! 😂
I dont ride a yz250x but I do hard enduro my 2018 yz250, E-start would be nice, 1300 usd is a bit much. I think it would be awesome if we got the Australian version of the yz250xR , they get a road legal version that comes with on-off lights, yup signals and high low beam horn and key switch, BUT IT STILL NEEDS A 6 SPEED, theres times I wish I could crawl a bit slower and go way faster up top. My suspension would be stiff if I was lighter, (I'm 230lbs) so that part I find ok. Counter balancer to smooth out the vibrations would also be lovely, as for the power, I wouldn't ever change that. I love my yz250 s power. It's nice when you gotta grab 2nd gear n get up a gnarly slippery hill where ktm guys are taking off in 3rd.
enduro trucker Ernie Desjardins the X gearbox is pretty good. 1st and 2nd are exactly the same as your YZ but third is lower which sounds weird but makes that gear of choice through most single track. I’ve clocked the top end at 90MPH. If you need more than that I can’t help you lol. 4th-5th gap is big but really it’s just for cruising.
That is a sweet kit for the 500's.... Thanks for sharing!!!
Can you still have a fww with that starter motor?
I’m thinking Beta , probably the best value
Love my 250RR
Beta have a good mechanic
love the beta 300rr injection..
@Egbert Wadman that's probably a good thing😂
Lot of butt hurt comments. Check my channel for a HONEST 2018 Beta 300RR review. I really like mine. I think it was a good buy and I have not had any major issues with it.
I wonder why they still don’t have e start on this yz2stroke...they been doing estart on there 2stroke like Yamaha dt125 re..
It's always nice to have options. :)
I see myself destroying that expensive, exposed unit first drop.
I still think Beta or a left over KTM is a better deal overall that is built for what I do.
It would be nice to see Yamaha give birth to a bike that doesn’t have MX in its gene pool.
For the same money, you can buy a Sherco SE 250 that is already setup, goes hard and is fitted with similar running gear.
Michael Tucker agree. If you want something cheaper than just buy a Sherco that has almost all of the same parts. The YZ is just so far behind the times.
First, at 1:43 you have video of my KX500, so I may have a unique perspective.
Do I think it’s worth the upgrade and does this put the YZX on KTM’s level?
It depends on how much you love your X as to if it's worth it.
The X's are well made, comfortable, and reliable.
That said they are outdated when compared to a KTM.
Bolting a E-Start on the X will not make it perform like a KTM.
You will still have a bike stuck at a Y2K level.
If you want a Yamaha that performs on the level of a KTM, buy a KTM, Put blue, white, or black plastics on it, have a custom Yamaha graphics kit made and go confuse people with it, it's fun.
But if your a true Yamaha fan and love your X, it's worth every penny.
Here’s a mental note with ktm parts... KTM Doesn’t change too much parts between different size bikes... for just 1 example.. my radiator was $300 for my XCW well I ended up ordering the radiator for a 125 spent $114 and fit like a glove same exact measurements.
A mate of mine bought one for his new YZ250X and had to wait 6 months for it to get to Australia .. then after fitting it up, the spark is so week with the replacement stator that it won't start .. and its not like he can just take it back to the shop to exchange the faulty item for a working one, cos it comes from Canada .. its a total debacle
Coincidentally Chris, I was looking at these again today to see if there was any reviews yet, and nope. I'm just not sure I want to be the $1250 guinea pig. It says the complete kit with the battery weighs 5,7 lbs. but I'm not sure that it comes with the battery either.
Rizzo44 Rizzo yeah they only told me the weight didn’t answer when I asked about battery 🧐 I haven’t heard anything bad from the CR and KX guys so might be solid??
Y’all should review an apex technical innovations cylinder head
I am a Chinese player how to buy this electric dynamic modification kit... Is there any specific details of the supported model year?
That pipe on the background bike in the intro has some stories to tell. If metal could scream, lol
Definitely need an E start and hydro clutch. The gearbox should be just like the FX model.
What's wrong with kick starting ? Never had any trouble !! I don't want the battery tender hook up and the extra weight.. $1200 forget about it..
You obviously don't do anything hard........kicking sucks for the 1000th time stuck on the side of an off camber hill.
You obviously don’t have experience with e start. I used to say the same thing until i rode a bike with e start.
this winter Im looking to buy a used 2019 KTM 300 XC(fingers are crossed for a lectron, lol). They hold their value well, and Im tempted when I see a 250x for sale at much less, yammys rock too!
Totally appreciate the effort this company is making but Yamaha should take serious note! With this add on, your nearing the cost of an Austrian bike, maybe more after brakes and hydro clutch. Adjustable power valve is a plus as well. I’m a big Yamaha fan but until they step up, most riding Singletrack or enduro will look elsewhere. Come on, Yamaha, step up!!! Ca emissions BS may put the brakes on any potential remodel too. Bummer.
Beta 250 RR is 8800 retail, Last years model 250 gas gas go for under 8k. So yea I would look elsewhere.
You can get a left over for $1000 less. Got my Beta for 7k
How are u going to feel the compression if it’s electric start u won’t know roughly how long your piston got left
Bcj _22 I mean, on ktm I just do them every 150 h and they never look bad but just do it to be safe and consistent
Bcj _22 I guess I had never thought of that downside to no kick start though
For the riding I do, a kicker works just fine for 1300. If/when I get harder into riding, I’ll look for a 300 of sorts.
Yamaha NEEDS to make us a 2 stroke WR. I really want a Yamaha trail bike. WR 200, electric start, fuel and oil injected. Take my money!
I have a hard on for the TE 150.
The Beta 200rr is not Fi (oil injected tho) and has a crap turning radius.
Could you do a weight comparison? How much would the 250X weigh after all the aftermarket parts?
Question it’s this kit fits my 2005 yz250??
Is there an E-Start for a 2002 Yamaha YZ250F?
I can get a beta 200 race model and it’s gonna be more reliable starting and proper gearing for hard enduro for just a little bit more
How has this evolved? Still available? Riders love 'em, hate 'em or want more of 'em?!?!?
Yamaha needs to put a wide ratio gearbox and and e-start and I would buy one that week but until then, ktm/husky is the king.
MotoMadMan 45 it looks like they accomplished something like that with the new 125X. Let’s see if those changes make their way to the 250X in the future.
Wide ratio gearbox? The x does have one. No problem 85 mph.
It doesnt have a wide ratio gearbox 1st, 2nd and 3rd are the same as the moto version, 4th and 5th are wider but going fast doesn't matter when your in the thick technical stuff. If I want or need to go that fast I'll buy a street bike.
@@trentcarter616 3rd is not the same as the moto. It's closer to second. My point is, fifth is so damn tall you can gear it down to get your granny gear and fifth is still tall enough for the straights. I know this because I own one, I'm not just speculating like the rest of you.
If you want hard enduro weapon that have kyb suspension, e start, and a great motor you should got sherco factory..
Itd be nice to have for sure, but for what it is its way to expensive imo. I own an x with a lectron carb, She kicks sooo easy and honestly with the right fly wheel weight set up, if your stalling the bike you should probably turn around and go home. Lectron carb + FWW = no need for electric start on this bike, because you wont be stalling. Unless they can get the price down around the 400.00 range.
Make it a integrated starter/alternator that is better than 250 watts.
I'm gonna wait until the new model comes out, Honda is supposed to be working on a 2 stroke also. Patience...
Nice video man.
I need one for my 2003 yz250 after a leg injury.
A 35 inch seat height and e start...for either the 125x or 250x
I love my 21' yz250x. I put a hydraulic clutch on it. I've done alot, but I'd love to have estart. Yes it's more maintanace with a battery but idk if over 1000 dollars is worth it. I'd really like a 6 speed like the yz125x, and a headlight and estart. Same Bike with a 6 speed and headlight would be perfect for me
I spun my right leg around on my 1991 cr500. I unfortunately will never Kickstart anything again. Want to buy a 250r atc or tri250 and no electric start.
I think it depends how cheap you can get a 250x for. I just bought a 2017 yz250x up in Canada two weeks ago for $3700 and brought it back down to Washington State. I don't need an e start that bad so im not buying one but i did get a 250x for cheap. They are great bikes for the money.
Do a little research. Panthera doesn't have a great name. Also they are using a PVL ignition. I had one on a kx500. they are great until you get them wet, then the next time they get hot they will die. trust me on this. I failed two. kept a spare one ready to go at the truck at all times. if you can keep your coolant temp under 175F you will be ok.
And to think- that I thought that Yamaha finally moved up into the 21 century, not. Guess I have to stick with my 2013 Husky TXC 310R, e start and kick start, EFI 4 stroke, mapped for unrestricted power, KYB suspension, Excell rimes rims, Brembo brakes, hydraulic clutch, 6 speed wr tranny and it was only $2500.
That's a pretty tough pill to swallow. I'd love to buy one, but at $1200+ then purchase the battery and finally install it yourself. I can see spending $1200 installed with battery, even that seems a bit excessive. I'll keep an eye open for price cuts, would be nice to have, unfortunately too high a price tag.
Beta in 2013 was the first to design and put the compact starter under the motor and then KTM copied there design a few years later. For almost the same money as the Yamaha you can get a Beta and it's ready to go race.
in 2016 the south africans had e start on the yz250x , can be found on the net
It was a dealer that designed and installed them. Not Yamaha
Yup he's right. They were hoping YAMAHA would buy the design. Very expensive
I own a 250X and will keep on kicking for that price.
You also need bigger flywheel, and position of the e.start is badd. 90 angle like the old 2010-2016 ktm. Not good.
I have a Panthera starter on my CR500, if their system can reliably start a 500 starting a 250 will be a doddle...
I'll be the first to admit the Panthera kit is far from perfect, but the ktm failed because it was very poorly designed/built, not the layout. (Think cheapest option on the most expensive bike, WP suspension anyone...)
Have you looked at a YZ250? Where else do you think Panthera could put a starter and gear reduction?
Putting a starter underneath, or anywhere else requires a complete engine case redesign. Then a new YZ would be the same price as a KTM as they recoup the developement costs.
Going to add another option, Rekluse clutch.
I think its still better off to buy a 12 to 16 ktm W than a newer Yamaha and try to make something its not out of it . Especially if you like the hard stuff. I've got a friend that rides a Yamaha X and it's not a bad bike but way more mx than our ktm ws
Can you still run a flywheel Weight with the estart installed?
There is a different flywheel that is heavier and the weight of the ring gear. that should be plenty of added weight.
It seems like Yamaha is waiting for more riders to buy their "X" series bikes before they really go after that market. Instead of pulling all the stops and making a Yamaha that gives nothing to the KTM. If they would just go for it and use the KTM recipe maybe the sales would be surprising,IMO.
How much do I want to buy there?
these still arnt out??
The YZ really needs a 6th. I wouldn't ever consider buying an off-road bike without one. For me, it's more important than an electric start.
From what I’m hearing there are some issues with the e-starter. It appears to be a fairly complex install also and it’s the first generation, so myself, I’d stay clear of the first iteration. I own a KTM 300xc-w and haven’t ridden anything that compares (including Yamaha). If your concerned about price then by all means go with the Yamaha, but if you want a true expert bike for tight trails then you need the KTM. My 2 cents.
Definitely has to come with the battery for that price. I wouldn't want a separate purchase. As for the YZ250X, Yamaha is not going to add a sixth gear, but they can lower 1st and 2nd gear and replace the rear sprocket with one or two extra teeth, so that 5th is closer to a 6th gear, while maintaining 1 & 2 gears churning down low.
I meant to say one or two LESS teeth on the rear sprocket.
@@spacejaime Have you ridden an x? 5th gear is very tall.
@@seanwahl1000 - No, but thanks! That was my best recommendation to spread out the gears.
I thought that Yamaha was finally putting e -start on the bike not an aftermarket option. Doesn't surprise me tho. As much money as KTM makes in the Enduro market you'd think Yamaha would invest in some R&D to have a E-Start ,hydrolic clutch, better gearing. I know the frame and suspension feels right so it wouldn't take much they have a good foundation.
Just doesn't make sense to me guess they just love there motorcross which KTM kicks there ass most the time there too
Add estart and a counter balancer and I will be interested.
KTM Trailrider ugh I know they’re falling behind more and more. I hope they see the 2t comeback and get on it! I want more options
Trailbound co my 2 05 YZ 250’s just got replaced with 2 18 KTM 250 xc’s. I got tired of waiting on Yamaha.
Not until counter balanced motor and factory e start for me! 👊🏽😉😜
They are in the 20+ year YZ250 club where MORE VIBRATION is better they still believe the myths KTM is not reliable bla bla bla. Meanwhile KTM is #1 in all of the Enduro events with Husky/Beta/ and all of the other EURO bikes.
What it needs is the right rider
Starter looks like it came off a truck 😳
How much does that baby weigh???
5kg?
Do you run the aer forks?
Pointless to put e start on a 2 stroke. Just adds weight and more stuff to break. Put that $$ towards going faster... Not slower.
Ive heard nothing but problems. I would wait until they get it dialed.
Cr500 yeah many of us have a cr500 we need to put a E-start on 😂, would like to have one tho 😬👍
I was going to buy a yz250x . Then I discovered the GPX250 . I love my gpx😃
It’s a great idea but the quality isn’t there using a Chinese starter motor off a Chinese quad. Also the gears coming off the motor wear out quick. Unfortunately all round poor engineering at a high cost.
For that I would just buy a 250 XC and do a SSS swap on the forks. You can buy used KTM's too so not really fair to compare that way
noControl I meant the yz250x were 5500 new in the shop, just older model. I haven’t seen a new back year ktm for that low. Closest would be the SX and you’re still out am e start
@@TrailBoundco ahh my math is off.
Best I found sticker price 2019 250xc in sept was 7500.
@@chrispotter2948 Yes my math was off, too many beers, meant to say that if I were to spend an extra $1,200 to get e-start and SSS forks, I would rather put the money into the KTM and have a better e-start system
for that price i go with the auto clutch from rekluse.
For that price you could buy a whole moped
I got a bad right knee but for $1200 I’d rather kick! Kinda takes away from the price advantage of the YZ!
Cool concept, but I would rather have a used KTM 300XC-W for the same price.
almost got excited. Thought that Yamaha got off their bums and brought the bike into modern tech....'as I am about to move from my WR450 to a Husky 300TX....would have preferred to stay team Blue, but...looks like it isn't going to happen.
I don’t care about electric start. Sure it’s nice but I only occasionally need it, truly NEED it. For $1,200 definitely not worth it.
That's amazing engineering from this company, so why can't Yamaha do it ?? They knew years ago KTM had these features.
I'll stick with Euro 2 strokes.
Yamaha has been behind the ball for years. Sure you can pay $1200 (overpriced) and do their job for them but you still need the clutch brakes transmission and adjustable power valve. Oh and counter balancer too. Yamaha isn’t even in the game anymore
Matt - I don't recall the YZ250 as having a heavy vibrating motor. Can you refresh my memory?
Jaime my 13 250xcw definitely vibrates less than my 06 yz250 did. Even if you factor that out the Yz still isn’t even close. I used to love the yz until I tried the xcw. I’ll never go back
@@matt2437 - who else is using counterbalanced motors - Beta, Gas-Gas? Going to look that up.
My 1992 yamaha WR200 2 stroke was counter balanced. Get (back) with the program yamaha!
Jaime I know of beta (2020) and ktm (17 and newer)
I got a little stoked when you said e-start for the CR500. Then i saw the photo 🥴. Uh, think I’ll pass
You need to replace the pipe on your bike ASAP!
Jaime he smashes them too often he needs the hydra force I believe it’s called to push his dents out!
@@kirkthepimp1 - In that case, time to buy a pipe guard, make it extra super heavy duty. :)
I didn't see anything wrong with his pipe? Looks just like mine. Think of it as a custom reshape for torque and clearance purposes!
@@PrimalEnduro - LOL, 100 lbs-foot of torque @ 0 rpm. :)
2020 YZ250X in Australia $12 999 😝ouch. Then to add decent size fuel tank, and this e-start kit ( with the price conversion to U.S. dollars for us Aussies and shipping) definitely not worth it for me👎 when you can get a 2020 KTM 300EXC for $15 500 in Australia. Also no registration availability in Australia for the YZ's or YZX's 👎👎👎
Kickstart is kinda useless on the new tpi 2-strokes.
Ryan Boardman I think the yzx is far from getting fuel injection. Hopefully they do counterbalance at one point
Yamaha has to give me incentive to buy a new X. Gonna keep riding my 16 till its worn out. Get asked all the time what I'll buy next, gonna stick with the YZX.
After reading all the comments, sounds like everyone wants a ktm or husky. Seems to me counter balance and e-start from the factory I going to the price tag right up there with the Euro bikes. So I say pick your poison.
Call me old skool but I just don’t get all this noise about estart on a dirt bike. I want them as simple and light as possible. No way do I want to lug around a battery and extra electronics and gears just for the convenience of pushing a button. Gimme a simple kick start any day!