@@DissTrackTed nah is pointless to care. You either not get thr headset or shut up and just use facebook with it. Bitching wont stop them. I have a rift s my only bitching is oculus sucks at prociding replacements. They sell the headset cheao ass crap one cable breaks ooops you cant order from the website unless you are from usa. Everywhere else scalpers sell the canle for 200usd with that lrice i can just buy another headset lol
@@Drallion_Tyanu The headset straps? You can buy third party straps for much cheaper. If you mean the oculus link cable then you don't need to buy their expensive cable, which is overpriced.
I did this a couple weeks ago and was blown away at how well VD worked wirelessly. I also have it set up through a standard 5ghz router I have from my ISP. Works great.
I finally switched my router settings and have a dedicated 5ghz channel instead of the smart switch it defaults to. It works soooo smooth wirelessly now.
Congrats you can now stream your game to your headset! The same as when you stream video to say a Chromecast. Its great for doing anything but playing a game. A game defined as something requiring feedback. Forget playing any momentum game on a stream of images. This is all just a gimmick to sell this inferior headset as a upgrade to the Rift when its very much a downgrade. Your stream is compressed and looks like crap, where the rift is uncompressed over display port and displays the actual image. Why do people keep going out of their way to not mention this? This is like looking thru a fishbowl at the actual image and claiming this is as good as the rift rofl...No cheap plastic pos will ever stream anything that looks as good as the original image because it physically can't do it.....it guesses where the pixels go.... Don't worry Facebook has a solution buy your whole library again and get the quest version of your games....ahahahahhaha
@@troy5370 you have to be the stupidest person i've seen in a while, one of the "rift is pcvr exclusive therefor better", nah man, quest 2 is soo much better, especially in terms of resolution per eye and refresh rate
If you want to know why Oculus didn't develop native wireless streaming, it's the same reason they didn't have Link optimized for Quest 2 at launch, and why they didn't have 90Hz enabled: Quest 2 was rushed out ther door as fast as they possibly could, because Quest 1 had serious supply chain problems that were kneecapping its growth. Quest 2 IS a big upgrade thanks to the chipset and resolution, but its main goal was to make something that they could scale production on better to keep up with demand. So corners were cut on software because that can be upgraded later. Facebook did not realize Quest was going to be as popular as it was, and they didn't plan for that. They didn't want to lose a second holiday season to low supply so they put Quest 2 out as fast as they possibly could. We will likely see improvements to Link and maybe Wireles Oculus Link down the road, but they weren't gonna hold up launch for it an miss another holiday.
Well the reason we don't have an official wireless solution according to Carmack is that it doesn't meet their quality standards. Other than that yes they absolutely rushed this shit out for the holidays. It's a good thing they met that goal though because a lot of new people are going to be introduced to VR.
Haha i have to side with you I think they probably meant the average consumer won't have the optimal network configuration for an excellent experience thus dumbing it down for the masses with a wired implementation
Thank you so much for this! I just so happened to be looking into VR and quest 2 this morning and there was this video you just did. You answered a lot of my questions and concerns and now, I’m almost 100% going to get a quest 2 now
I've had the same fantastic experience with Virtual Desktop. I started with a cable but then discovered VD and the Sidequest VD patch and suddenly I can play everything wirelessly whether I bought it from Steam or Oculus, and everything loads pretty instantly. Since the cable bandwidth is limited to 500Mbps even with the diagnostic tweaks, the speed and latency using 5Ghz wifi is more than sufficient, at least when your desktop is wired to the router. Since I don't have the space near my PC for room scale gaming, going wireless opens up a ton of new games to enjoy.
I got a quest 2 so that me and my family can play games, so watching this really helped me with this because we will be playing at the living room where the router is located while my pc is in my room
I been playing sim racing on my quest 2 with a Logitech G923 steering wheel. I'm only adding 14-17ms latency using VD versus Link. Keep in mind I am not moving much playing sim racing. Your mileage may vary with VD latency. Im using the modem that came with Comcast. Its the same modem that everyone in my house uses.
I don't even see any signs of compression, nor of delay. I actually think people are repeating hearsay because they don't like facebook... But then again I've never used a rift s for example, so I can't say for sure.
This is my usecase as well. Thanks for the input and thanks reviewer for the great content, organization and flow. Every question I had was answered either in the video or the comments. Thanks all!
Can someone enlighten me? My pc is connected with a wire to my modem, my modem is connected to a wifi router which sends the internet. Would it be playable since my Pc isnt physically connected to that wifi router itself? It is connected via the modem.
@@joost1183 pc to modem via ethernet cable -> modem to quest via wifi 5ghz is the way to go. However, as I’m told, you might have to fiddle with channels and your 5g modem might be suboptimal. In my case,it worked flawlessly from the get go. I get 25 - 35 ms (that’s 2 to 3 FRAMES delay) with the ocasional 45, but overall I’ve tried to notice delay as well as artifacts and there are NONE to speak of. So I really don’t understand why people have to always mention the link? Mine’s been on the floor next to the pc for 5 months. Maybe I’ve been lucky?
Think I'll stick to Rift S for as long as possible. Consensus seems to be that Link is not the way forward for PC VR on Quest 2. Maybe if you have a really high end PC? I have a fairly modest PC and Rift S works very well on it and looks great. Virtual Desktop looks superior. But it's a cumbersome solution currently. Seems crazy at this time to go for a Quest 2 linked to PC (Link or Virtual Desktop) and have performance hampered by the encoding. I wish Oculus had made the Quest 2 a PC VR headset with mobile functionality and not the other way around. By dropping support for the Rift S whilst Link is in beta and Virtual Desktop is a 3rd party, complicated solution it feels like they have left PC VR gaming out in the cold. Bottom line is, as a bench mark, I want to be able to play HL Alyx and for it to look and perform as good as possible. Right now that's Rift S and not Quest 2 I feel.
- Shows you his setup. - Shows you his settings. - Includes the increased bitrate (though Encoded Resolution and Pixels Per Display Pixel were set to 0? I think they're normally 3000 something and 1.2 respectively) - Mentions he has small apartment to be specific regarding the router. - Shows a router that isn't a Wi-Fi 6 Netgear Nighthawk or something excessive. - Stays on topic and doesn't do retakes. All those stutters left in because everybody stutters. Amazing guide/review! Incredibly helpful. Only question is about those Debugger settings I mentioned above being set to 0. Cas And Cherry (hope that's spelled right) did a video on increasing the bitrate for Oculus Link as well, but they mentioned the Pixel Per Pixel Override and Encoded Resolution being set to certain levels as well. However, they were also testing with a 2080 Ti so maybe that's got something to do with it... Idk. Great guide though.
I was using Virtual Desktop on a Quest 1 for several months but recently switched to a link cable suspended from my ceiling and to me that was definitely the move. I liked VD, but I too often got latency issues and lowered quality visuals. I was using a 5GHz connection + ethernet and a pc similar to yours too. It's mostly due to me living with people that I've never tried booting all other devices off the 5GHz signal.
I just want to say, I appreciate the fact that you still respond to people commenting on the video a year later. A lot of stuff has changed since then, and only a few youtubers would respond after this much time passed :)
my router is on the other side of the planet and i cant move it so i got an ethernet cable connected it to my pc and got a good speed until i found a hotspot setting appear on my pc so i opened it and it shared the 5g wifi like an extender and works with the same speed as the router (so ur pc is the router of the oculus quest) this might not work for everyone if ur motherboard doesnt have the hotspot option and you will find the hotspot option when u press the internet icon in your taskbar
The Hotspot thing is even better than using your router because you connect not with your router speed! You exceed the speed of your wired 1Gbit NIC and connect with a WiFi 6 compatible adapter with 2,4 Gibit to your PC directly!
I honestly dont get people who are anoyed by the wire, maybe its just I started with the cv1 but I totaly forget the cable is there definetly not worth loosing the resolution and 120hz to go without.
First of all, thanks for the video and information about your various tests. I also did some tests using VD and Link with different settings to get the best results possible. In fact this also depends on the game you play, whether you need lower latency or better graphics. Unfortunately you can't have both at the same time now, just an individual compromise. Why are Link and Wifi Connection not official ? This is simply because it's not stable enough. There are too many scenarious and different configurations which need to be adjusted to get a proper experience and exactly that does not match the quality standards any company needs to have for their product. Both, link and VD are basically working if you know how to set it up, but for a mainstream product it simply needs to work out of the box, no matter what PC, router you use or cable you plug in. Although Link gets better and the latest update really made a difference, it's not there yet. Nevertheless, i do agree, that wireless gameplay is the future and with Wifi6 i am sure the Quest 2 will get close to what really is useable. I used a system with X470 Mainboard, RYZEN 3900X, 64 GB RAM and GTX 1070 with 8GB and recently upgraded to a RTX 2070 SUPER + X570 Mainboard which now has USB 3.2r2 Ports. Overall my hardware upgrade did make a significant difference. The new 2070 SUPER improved everything quite a lot. Bandwith comparison: - Using the link cable (i have a 3rd party two cable solution with 5m USB 3 extension + 3m USB->C cable) i was able to get between 1.8 and 2.2 Gbps on my old system and now i get about 2.7 Gbps. - i get about 866 Mbps = 0,866 Gpbs with my standard 5Ghz Router and 1200 Mbps = 1.2 Gbps with my Wifi6 Asus Router at 5Ghz Refresh rate: - You can play many games at 72Hz, but 90Hz is much better and some games simply can't be played at a lesser framerate, e.g. First Person Tennis (one of the best games in VR) and ELEVEN Table Tennis. But also racing games do look much better in 90Hz. Picture quality (VD): - Although i now have 1200 Mbps connection with VD to my PC i cannot go for higher Birates above 40 Mbps which causes stuttering. The latency is about 22ms but i still get a stuttering sometimes. Even if i set the quality in VD to low. I tested this on both 5Ghz networks i can use separately. The stuttering occurs in ELEVEN table tennis moving head around and holding the racket in front of my face. In some games i do not have much problems, and i suggest this has something to do with the amount of movement data being transferred. The combination of touch controller movement data and receiving video data from the PC may cause problems here. - There is a bug in the latest Oculus Link beta. With this new beta you can set the bitrate up to 500Mbps, although at about 300Mbps it does not make a big difference if you go higher. Using 300 Mbps the quality is very good, but the resolution is downgraded to 2016 pixels (or less) no matter what you enter in the Oculus Debug Tool. This degraded the quality to less than VD in the highest setting. Once this is fixed i am sure Link will outperform VD by far, since the bandwith simply allows better quality overall. Latency: - I get about 22ms in a game using VD, but still some games do not feel right. This may have the same reasons i noted before. The most annoying part here is the automatic movement prediction of the Oculus software. This causes the racket in tennis or Beat Saber to swing if you move your hand fast and stop immediately. The racket or sword does not stop exactly at that point, which makes gameplay in games like tennis not possible. Even in Beat Saber it's just not the same - Using Link this feels much better, although the latency does seem higher if you display the debug information. But the big difference is the swing of the controllers, which is almost non existant using link. In my location it may cause problems that we have some 5Ghz networks available, although i have a dedicated 5Ghz router only connected to my Quest and directly to my PC with cable. I am not really sure if i can improve VD performance in games like Table Tennis, so i would like to know some other peoples exeriences using ELEVEN table tennis using VD.
Hello! Thank you for expanding your thoughts here, this will really help many players. One question: why use Eleven Table with link or VD? Isn't it enough for you just what is in quest 2? Have a nice day!
@@divoru77 yes, indeed i play table tennis natively on the Quest 2 and it's perfect (at least with manually enabled 90Hz). In 72Hz it's almost unplayable for me. This was just an example for this type of game. For instance my favourite game First Person Tennis is not available on the Quest and it may never will because the enviroment is pretty complex and the developer does not have a big team to get it converted to the Quest yet. So i need to play this via PC/Link or VD for now. In VD this game is unplayable but with Link it works quite well with the latest v24 Oculus update.
Zero problems on 5ghz wifi here. In fact, at one point I accidentally connected to my work PC over gigabit fibre from home. I noticed the latency but it was hardly killing the experience - just sometimes I'd catch the edges of the over-rendered part of the view.
I tried virtual desktop with my quest 2, but using a pc link was a noticeable difference in usability...I didn't use the expensive link cable. I just found a 26 footer on amazon and it works fine. It's not making anything look better but for me personally, smooth gameplay is far more important. But after watching this video in going to give virtual desktop another shot
@@totallynotme8401 your internet spees doesnt matter. Its the LAN connection that is used for virtual desktop. The link cable works great aswell after todays update (14.Nov)
iv noticed that the controller tracking in Beat Saber overshoots your movements and simply is slower with Virtual Desktop. i think that the 30-40ms latency doesnt allow the controllers to track as fast as they can so they end up interpolating alot more that they should.
That's because you use a router! Buy a WiFI 6 AX200 Intel NIC and create a hotspot with your own pc, change the MTU to half of the value and enjoy 15ms latency.
@@markus8994 you need to configure your WiFi adapters driver settings to get the latency and it needs to be WiFi 6. It is all hidden in the device manager. Select your WiFi adapter with a right klick and go into advanced settings and turn on throuput booster. And very importantly change the MTU to a lower value. It is the value for package size transferred to your quest. This will significantly speed up your latency but don’t make it to small or the transfer speed will suffer. Why is it impracticable to use a router, because you can’t change those settings mostly and mixing up two MTUs is always a bad idea because one device in this case the router needs to wait till it is able to fill his MTU resulting in a much higher latency. You also end up with a higher transfer speed. Most of the people are connected with only 1 Gbit to the router but the max speed of a WiFi adapter is mostly double the speed of your wired connection.
Although your router has to have a gigabit ethernet connection, like you have, some 5Ghz AC Routers only has a 100Mb/s ethernet connection, I recently bought a new router for this reason, works great.
Same here; bought a TP-Link AX1500 for dirt cheap and I have no issues; I've stopped even running my headset through a cable on long sessions and simply strapped a battery bank to the back of my headset for better balance and immersion :D (Getting sub 10 ms latency, usually hovering around 6)
To note if you are worried about wifi channels, a surefire way would be to go wifi6 with one of the newer routers that has it. That will basically only be used for the latest laptops/phones and your VR headset, it's also much more latency optimized than previous standards.
@@JSyntax looks nice though! i live in a normal sized house (2 floors 1 loft) my brother lives in the loft upstairs and i live in a smallish room but its good enough for vr, i smashed my monitor playing the tutorial of skyrim vr though.. that room is rather big though, all you really need is a nice sized room, a kitchen and a bathroom with shower and you've got it! :D
The Active USB used for the VR Link is because of length. The USB 3.2 gen 2 standard as written allows for passive cables up to 1m of distance, USB 3.2 gen 1 allows for up to 3m. Just as with other standards like ethernet cable length, although you can get a connection with cables that exceed the standard length. The quality of that link can't be guaranteed by the standard.
Have the quest 2 and the rift s. On the quest 2 image quality has less screen door effect ,is slightly blurry and colors seemed washed out. On the rift s more screen door effect, more clearer and vivid colors. The tracking has been hit and miss with the controllers on the quest 2, the rift s has more solid tracking. Ever since I got a 3080ti, I am able to crank up the supersampling to 300 on the rift s and get a much better clearer image quality. I have gravitated back to the rift s for now.
i bought an anchor link cable when i pre-ordered my quest 2. I set up virtual desktop straight away because after 4 years of the cv1 i was sick of the wires. it works so flawlessly even playing beat saber on expert +. So basically i bought a cable that i haven't even tried once with oculus link because why would i when i can just play wireless and still get better visuals than i did on my cv1 with no noticeable latency. it is beyond me why facebook think wireless link still isn't good enough. they should at least let vd put it in their app without sideloading.
I actually used the cord last night to keep it charged while I played pop one because I stupidly left it turned on for 2 hours and drained my batteries 😅
@@snapdragon9300 just the 5m anchor cable. But I bought a 10000mAH battery since then and strapped it to the back of the headset. Lasts me more time than I can generally play for one session
Thank you so much. As a gamer who goes back to the original online bulletin boards and 5.25 floppies, VR is a great new new way to game, but there's a lot to know. This answered a lot of questions I had about setup and Q2 vs RS.
@@JSyntax Haha yeah. I have a friend that wasn't able to use link then I recommend virtual desktop and it worked for her. Much happier with it then link.
I think there are probably 3 main reasons why Oculus went with link vs. Wireless 1. Easier initial setup 2. Wireless experience can vary widely depending on your network setup, local wifi noise, network congestion, etc. 3. They make money selling them. As for my setup, I picked up a $50 tp link to use as a dedicated router for my Quest and PC. I do have a pretty good main router and tried for a while to get it working to my satisfaction, but I couldn't eliminate the occasional lag spikes which caused stuttering and pauses in the game. I think this is most likely caused by network traffic/congestion on the router and I think your solution of moving EVERYTHING else to 2.4 MIGHT have worked, but I have other things I want running at 5ghz speed so spending the $50 for the dedicated router worked perfectly for me. It really wasn't all that complicated to set up, it really came down to disabling DHCP on the secondary router and leaving a small range of IP addresses out of the DHCP range of the primary router so you can give it a dedicated IP. I did have to run a cable downstairs where I play to cable it in, but that was no big deal. Anyway, for somebody just getting it I would recommend your solution first of moving everything else to 2.4 and try that. If you still aren't satisfied, or like me have things you want to keep on 5ghz, then a dedicated setup should almost certainly do the trick. There are youtube videos that explain in much more detail how to set up your lan to accommodate the 2nd router.
I watched tons of these comparisons and bought a quest 2. I've decided that I actually like my Rift S better for PCVR. To me the image quality is better than VD or link and something no one mentions, the Rift S has a wider field of view. I can see the edges of the image in the quest 2 and it breaks immersion for me, feels more like I'm looking at the environment through goggles vs just my eyes.
I agree, def the Rift s felt wider and better overall as an experience. I don't notice the difference between frame rates either, it still feels smooth on Rift s for me.
@@JSyntax could be a result of us having different IPDs. The Rift is adjustable through software from 58mm to 72mm. The Quest 2 hard locks at 58mm, 63mm, and 68mm. I do remember raising the IPD on the Rift, but I don't recall the exact number. What I do know is the Quest 2 is too narrow for me at 58 (I get the goggle effect), and then it starts to split the image on me at 63(obviously disorienting)......or maybe it was 63 goggle effect (would be worse at 58), image splitting at 68.. So basically I need an IPD that I can't get on a Quest 2. I don't think there was a software adjustment between hard settings for the Quest 2, seems I read that somewhere. But I didn't look to be honest so I'll have to check tomorrow. But in lieu of that, the Rift S is the better choice for my particular IPD. Might not be a bad idea to do a video on that issue. I think that going from a small incremental adjustment to a "3 sizes fits all" approach was a mistake.
thank you for saying this i actually love u, for the past 20 minutes ive been freaking out thinking that I blew my money on a rift s when the quest 2 is better all around, but i guess tahts not true
@@elijahgundlach690 After further research I've determined it's a compression issue. Whereas the Rift S gets a direct image feed from your video card, for the Quest 2 the image has to be compressed to send across the cable/wifi. This causes a picture degradation. Now this won't be an issue for natively installed programs, but will affect any PCVR. Well I bought the Oculus for PCVR, so the Quest isn't for me.
You do want 802.11ax because it allows you to get a 1200mbps connection to your devices. On my network I am using 9000MTU (Jumbo Frames) with 802.ax which allows crazy good bandwidth between all my devices. Jumbo Frames also allows you to send fewer packets with more data.
Great video breakdown. I just got virtual desktop and you don't need to use side quest anymore, but I did learn about how to adjust the refresh rate. Thanks for the video!
I just got an Quest 2 and was wondering is there a SIGNIFICANT difference playing the same PCVR game via VD to the quest 2, versus playing the same game downloaded to the headset? Are the graphics/latancy/etc so much better to warrant someone like me to build a $1,000 gaming computer?
Me and a friend could never get virtual desktop running without a lot of lag and choppy gameplay. We both tried a lot of different troubleshooting steps. The link cable works, but again, I still experience choppy gameplay and I am running an rtx 3070. Thank you for making this video!
I bought a quest 2 but I also pre ordered an hp reverb g2. I think im more pcvr. The wire doesn't bother me that much but the resolution, artifacts, and lag on the quest 2 with pcvr does bother me.
Reverb g2 has some shitty controllers man! The headset is good but i will not buy it because of the controllers, they are sooooo bad compared to the Quest2
@@spreadthehate Controllers are tracked by the headset mate, so you brought it up. Controllers are not the best i agree, but no so bad you cant even use the headset like you claim
I been running VD with Q2 @90hz in VRChat and its beautiful. Im actually saturating my display and getting 90fps while playing most VR games. I got a 8 core CPU, 5.2Ghz all core-OC and a RTX2070S 32GB-DDR4 3600mhz. Spend your money getting a good gaming rig, it will make your VR experience so much more rewarding. Also use ethernet to your router for VD, it makes a big difference not having to go wifi both directions.
For Oculus Quest 2 users the 80$ link isn't needed, Most current games use a max of 100-150mb/s through-put, so most 2.0 cables will absolutely handle this. Its like the whole RAM deal, More Ram isn't going to speed up your PC unless you are already using all you've got. So having a 3.0 isn't going to make 80% of the games quicker, unless of course you are trying to increase the Image quality and need that extra bandwidth.
I have an 8 meter cable running along the wall from my computer that sits near the floor at my play area. Then I connect a 3 meter cable to that (they came together as a set) when I want to play and have it clipped to my headset to run down my back. If you face away from your cable, have enough slack on the floor, it never gets in your way and I have a 6'x8' play area. This, coming from a 3 sensor setup for my first headset the CV1 with 5 plugs in my comp to 1 plug... is miles better. All I need is official 90htz and I'm gold.
@@Ps_35128 if your using vr, get a gaming pc/laptop Preferably with high end specs, 16-32gig ram, ssd, 2080 rtx or better but 2060 rtx and th one below is aight, i-7 cpus, kinda recent generations im not to familiar with it, i have an amd ryzen 5 3550h in my laptop and i think itd do vr aight, so atleast that equal to intel, and thats like an i5 i think maybe almost a i7
I'm sick in bed with food poisoning at the moment and I found your voice super soothing. Really nice video as I've just built a pc and about to dive into virtual desktop. Gorgeous cat too 🙂
Got virtual desktop after a 3rd party cord was defective and this is a great video to show that I dont need a wire. Was worried link would be much better performance but playing a couple games streaming is great a few stutters but that's my PC and all cleared up in seconds Ethernet helps the PC but idk if my router is 5g only 1 source dont have 2.4 or 5ghz
6:30 what kind of table do you have? that needs wifi? i meen... my table has no wifi, and im able to place things on it very good... does it have lower latency or something?
I have a standard Xfinity router and it has both 2.4 and 5.8 gHz (dual bandwidth). I use a cheap dual band wifi repeater (extender/booster) upstairs in my apartment with 5.8 gHz dedicated to my quest and 2.5 gHz dedicated a Macbook Pro logged on to my Shadow (remote desktop with great gaming does). Star Wars Squadrons works great. I didn't know I had to switch the 90 gHz on every time. Good to know.
I have the Rift S and the Quest 2. My pc is pretty fast with EVGA RTX 2070 Super XC, Intel i9-9900K but the Rift S still looks better than the Quest 2 with the link cable. I had 90 hz enable on the Quest 2 with higher resolutions but it still didn't seem as sharp as the Rift S. Yes you see a little screen door with the Rift S but the difference between 90 and 80 hz was noticeable. I use it mostly for iRacing and the Rift S still seemed like a better experience to me. I haven't tried Virtual Desktop yet. Also, the lens on the Rift S has a bigger sweet spot and seems clearer not as many fresnel lines. Don't count out the Rift S just yet.
I have been using a flimsy usb-c cable for months now and i can stream my games to discord and twitch at 1080/60 with no lag so i don’t understand the link cable at all it’s a waste
Im using a laptop and a quest 2 for pcvr and im getting about 5 to 10ms with using virtual desktop, i managed to do this by creating a wifi hotspot on my laptop that is connecter over ethernet wire. Then i connect my quest 2 to that wifi hotspot from my laptop. Its realy easy to setup and so nice to use.
Lol I've pretty much got the same specs for my pc and are just useing the standard broadband providers router. Definitely need to try some of your suggestions tho. I'm kinda low Res atm with my pc and quest on WiFi.
Note on router, you don't have to spend $200 on essentially a dedicated Access Point for VR. TP Link makes a great router that you can put in AP mode and only transmit the AX bands for $80. I just plugged that into my existing network and boom, better VD performance. Needless to say my existing network performed well and I've beaten multiple Expert levels on beat saber through it without worry of latency. The reason one might want a VR Specific router is if the main router or access point is either too far or there is too much structural interference to keep the signal reliable enough for VD. I should mention though that I wired my house a while ago so extending my existing network with another router in my play space was pretty easy. Probably not so much if all you have is wireless connections everywhere since then, now you're dealing with network wireless bridges and such which....is "fun".
FYI for anyone who is less networking savvy WIFI 6 is only going to help you if you have heavier network traffic the big differance between WIFI 5 and 6 is the number of channels it uses this allows it to be faster but in practical application it will only be faster if there are a larger number of devices all using the network at the same time, it is far more important to have your PC on a wired connection to the access point and having as few barriers (walls, furniture, ect.) between the quest and the access point as possible.
I have a quest 2 aswell, and i agree that VD is the best option until the update which should be out now. Can’t wait to test the link in 90hz. But the slight “overclock” in sidequest helps alot too with visuals and i have mine at the highest settings, works great for me.
Great info! I actually went for the rift s personally, ill take the lower refresh rate trade off for just being able to plug in play PC VR instaed of all the tinkering also default head strap is better
Wrong choice my dude... I have a rift s that shit makes u troubleshoot everytime you wanna play you gotta replug them and restart it’s annoying af. With quest 2 you just put it on ur face and it’s good to go. If you don’t wanna have to mess around with it you can get a link but doing the virtual desktop thing is super easy to do it’s not at all complicated. Also the $20 for virtual desktop and $50 head strap makes it still only 370 which is still cheaper
Virtual desktop is better hands down . The compression that has to go through USB causes artifacting and what I can only describe as wobbly vision sometimes. Not to mention the stutter. Oculus link also heavily tasks your CPU because of the compression
Windows pc that are wireless wifi compatible have an option for a hotspot from your pc that may decrease latency cause it will be your quest directly to your pc. To activate this you click the little wifi/Ethernet symbol on the bottom right Then you click mobile hotspot. You can change the password and name where you go to your settings then go to your wifi options. Then their should be mobile hotspot options. Hoped this helped 👍
THANK YOU. Finally one person addresses all of these items so that I can get a solid informed opinion about whether it is worth it to ditch my CV1 for a Q2. There are so many wildly varying opinions about this on the internet with little to back up claims.
Thanks for the video! I’m still using quest 1. In terms of the picture quality is it worth it setting up virtual desktop compared to oculus link? I live in crowded apartment so dedicating my 5ghz solely to Quest might affect my other devices speed, ping etc. 😅
If you use your Quest while everyone else is on your router, you may have a stutter here and there. It will work. I use my regular Comcast modem and its really good. You need to get a ethernet cable though. I got a 15 foot long ethernet cable and I ran a wire to my cable modem in my living room. The ethernet cable makes the biggest improvement of any other mod you could do for Virtual Desktop performance.
I bought some of the 3rd party cables, but did not have luck getting them recognized as USB 3. I ultimately went for the official cable - it just works. It is pricey, but it doesn't seem like a (complete) money grab to me as it is *not* just another copper cable. ...Price still hurt, though...
I use my Quest 2 with Virtual Desktop over wireless as well to play PCVR games and it works great. I was amazed that the lag is not that much and you have to try hard to be able to notice it. I played VR games on PSVR and the Oculus Rift CV1 before and to be able to play without wires is just awesome. The thing that bothered me the most about using a link cable is the cable management. My Quest 2 replaced both my Rift CV1 and Quest 1. Even if you don't have a gaming PC, the Quest 2 has the best stand alone VR experiences and games so far for hours of fun. I noticed one small issue with one game so far in Virtual Desktop (Deemo Reborn) and that was because you need to hold the Menu Button to reset the view in that game, and holding makes you go back to the Virtual Desktop menu instead. After reading some tips on the Steam forum it seems like the menu button is also bound to the left analog stick by pushing the left analog stick button and moving it down and holding it there for a second.
I agree! It's interesting how each generation kills the major annoyances. Rift to rift S, eliminated the insane setup required for external sensors with inside out tracking, quest/q2 eliminate the wire. Next is we need to eliminate the bulky headset somehow. Each Gen is a leap we take for granted except for us
I mean... The Rift S literally only has IPD for less than half of adults in the world.... So on that basis alone the Quest 2 wins.... Rift S is just an expensive motion sickness simulator
Link works fine for me with titles like Beat Saber, BoneWorks, and phasmophobia. VRchat is the thing that sucks the most. When I try to play it, I get 17-40 FPS on VR-mode (Playing titles like among us VRchat) when on PC I can get 60-90 FPS. (In among us VRchat) (if you have any solutions for this please tell me) (Might just be a link problem tho)
My existing network worked well, however, in wifi 6, with all my other devices connected I had a much smoother and less choppy experience using desktop VR with my quest 2. I bought a 70 dollar wifi 6 enabled router. My pc is up stairs in my room with a 100 foot ethernet cable connected to my router. And I play downstairs around 20 to 30 feet away from my pc. My wife constantly streams TH-cam on her pc and netflix on the tv at the same time while she does what she does and I have several Google homes connected along with our phones, and tablets and laptops connected. With wifi 6, my connection is much more consistent.
New to VR. I bought the Rift S because I only care about PC based VR. I have seen that the Rift S is to be discontinued. Other than than that it doesn’t have manual IDP, is 80hz and requires tethering why would I consider the Quest 2? The hand and finger gestures are a nice touch, and wireless if it works could also be handy but less bothered by this. I’ve seen some reviews that suggest the image is better on the Rift S even though a slightly different res. Sorry for the long text.
Sold my Rift S immediately once the quest 2 was launched. No regrets. But rift S is still damn amazing and less gpu intensive than q2 for pcvr because it's native. Enjoy!
your internet speed from your ISP doesn't matter. Only need the 5 GHZ capability on your router. Basically, the PC talks to the app, which talks to the router and then to the headset.
I have a very similar setup as you. PC connected directly via ethernet and using quest 2 and virtual desktop on the local wifi. I need to check all the devices on our 5ghz channel; am trying to find other ways to get the most out of my setup.
This video convinced me to buy a Quest 2. I know there's a lot of privacy concerns and issues with FB. But honestly, I'm still happy with it. My Rift S almost ALWAYS had issues when setting it up on the PC. Sometimes it would take an hour to get everything ready to play, and even then it wasn't perfect. But this? It's so easy and straightforward. I'm in a game within minutes. That includes PCVR games. It's just such an incredible jump going from wired VR to wireless. I'm stunned, honestly. And using VD, while not as clear as it would be with the Rift S, is still incredible and just as good. You can tell a difference, but it doesn't even matter when you're in the game and having fun. I live in a cramped house and I have a massive computer. So, it's so much easier to have a wireless VR that I can use anywhere, instead of having to either move my PC or stretch the cables out to find the right spot in the house. Thank you for this video. Excellent job.
I have to agree of every point you made in this video comment. When I was playing with my Rift s would always bug out when I wanted to play and I had to restart my computer just to get it working it was just very buggy software and Hardware
Me with my 4-12 second latency playing beat saber "Latency makes some of these maps impossible" Him with his 29-34 second latency play beat saber "It's quite playable"
The best thing about the quest 2 for me. Is that not only can it work wirelessly on my local home network. But I can also stream it to my friends house without bringing my pc! Unbelievable! On top of that I can connect a xbox controler and play pc games with a controller while also at a friend's house! It's perfect for lan parties. Note: where I live everyone has 1000mb/s from the isp
@@JSyntax It’s actually just the tplink archer C6. I looked online and it seemed that for a dedicated router wifi 6 doesn’t make a huge difference. If there was a similarity priced one in my country I would’ve purchased it instead tho. But I’m more than satisfied with mine. 99%
I know this video is a little older now, but too anyone watching, careful messing around with debug tool bit rate, slightly changing at all can cause link to stop working entirely, and you likely won't need to do this anymore anyway as link has been raised to 500mbs anyway's. Just know that if you are going to mess with it setting it too zero should fix any issues you encounter.
I have a 2600 sq foot home, so routing everything through there is not nearly as simple as it is for you. :-) I'm contemplating about making a drop where my router is and making a run through the wall to the crawl space, and then under the house to the wall next to where I sit. Then, put another data port there. From there, I think I'll hook up a 2nd router that runs faster, and runs the latest and greatest. (I saw a TP link for under $80 that should do that). While I have a fairly new router, it doesn't support the ax standard and my computer does.
Spot on bud. The reason for all the vids about dedicated routers etc are because this is a new technology to many including myself and its an opportunity to get views. I totally agree with you I have a superhub 3 which isn't brilliant but it's adequate for virtual desktop running on 5ghz. It does what I need and it does it well therefore don't see any point in buying a new router just because someone says you nned need one. I think people need to start doing their one testing and research to find what actually works for them without accepting opinions from others. Nice video.
Ive had psvr for over 6 years and owned the GO and Quest 1 , and a Rift S ... and now with the Quest 2 it is better but Link and VD are still compressed images and its very noticeable vs the Rift S and I continue to use my Rift S due to the nauseating 72Hz difference. Once they utilize the full bandwidth of USB and 90Hz of Quest 2 then It will replace the Rift S or a standalone PC headset. Its still very early and what one comment said its all about the marketing... they had to rush a new Quest because of demand. All about the moneys $$ lol .. next year I feel we will see the real improvements we were all really looking for.
I have the RiftS and now also the Quest2. At first I was really dissapointed with Link and VD. They both had noticable latency and some weird tracking issues, and basicly it was impossible to play games like beat saber trough Link or VD. But since the v23 update, its like a whole different system! I cant notice any latency using the link now, and since it came out of beta, the resolution upgrade and 90hz, its super smooth. I can play expert+ maps with no issue. VD also seems to have been updated, and there is way less noticable latency for me, but still a bit. But even beat saber is now suddenly playable! Honestly, i think with this update, the q2 is actually a better headset than the rift S. I still use the rift S for flight sims, since its less demanding on the pc due to lower resolution, and more comfortable. For EVERYTHING else i now use the quest 2.
Im thinking of buying one today. The rift s is 400 bucks and the quest 2 is 300.. so only a 100 dollar difference which if you add the link that’s only a 25 dollar difference. Would you recommend the rift s ? I have an I9k and RTX ti so my computer can handle big games. Im concerned the quest 2 battery is terrible and the whole problem connecting to games. Which im probably going to be playing steam and rift games like lone echo which arent available for quest 2. Any thoughts?
This is the video I needed because amazon reviews are all just bitching about Facebook and not talking about the actual device
FACTS
Hey i know this is 5 days old but in tos they said that at some point in the future ads will be coming fyi
The bitching about facebook is warranted and you should care.
@@DissTrackTed nah is pointless to care. You either not get thr headset or shut up and just use facebook with it. Bitching wont stop them. I have a rift s my only bitching is oculus sucks at prociding replacements. They sell the headset cheao ass crap one cable breaks ooops you cant order from the website unless you are from usa. Everywhere else scalpers sell the canle for 200usd with that lrice i can just buy another headset lol
@@Drallion_Tyanu The headset straps? You can buy third party straps for much cheaper. If you mean the oculus link cable then you don't need to buy their expensive cable, which is overpriced.
I did this a couple weeks ago and was blown away at how well VD worked wirelessly. I also have it set up through a standard 5ghz router I have from my ISP. Works great.
Ditto!
I finally switched my router settings and have a dedicated 5ghz channel instead of the smart switch it defaults to. It works soooo smooth wirelessly now.
@@jtodd0221 awesome!
Congrats you can now stream your game to your headset! The same as when you stream video to say a Chromecast. Its great for doing anything but playing a game. A game defined as something requiring feedback. Forget playing any momentum game on a stream of images. This is all just a gimmick to sell this inferior headset as a upgrade to the Rift when its very much a downgrade. Your stream is compressed and looks like crap, where the rift is uncompressed over display port and displays the actual image. Why do people keep going out of their way to not mention this? This is like looking thru a fishbowl at the actual image and claiming this is as good as the rift rofl...No cheap plastic pos will ever stream anything that looks as good as the original image because it physically can't do it.....it guesses where the pixels go.... Don't worry Facebook has a solution buy your whole library again and get the quest version of your games....ahahahahhaha
@@troy5370 you have to be the stupidest person i've seen in a while, one of the "rift is pcvr exclusive therefor better", nah man, quest 2 is soo much better, especially in terms of resolution per eye and refresh rate
If you want to know why Oculus didn't develop native wireless streaming, it's the same reason they didn't have Link optimized for Quest 2 at launch, and why they didn't have 90Hz enabled: Quest 2 was rushed out ther door as fast as they possibly could, because Quest 1 had serious supply chain problems that were kneecapping its growth. Quest 2 IS a big upgrade thanks to the chipset and resolution, but its main goal was to make something that they could scale production on better to keep up with demand. So corners were cut on software because that can be upgraded later.
Facebook did not realize Quest was going to be as popular as it was, and they didn't plan for that. They didn't want to lose a second holiday season to low supply so they put Quest 2 out as fast as they possibly could. We will likely see improvements to Link and maybe Wireles Oculus Link down the road, but they weren't gonna hold up launch for it an miss another holiday.
Well the reason we don't have an official wireless solution according to Carmack is that it doesn't meet their quality standards. Other than that yes they absolutely rushed this shit out for the holidays. It's a good thing they met that goal though because a lot of new people are going to be introduced to VR.
@@JW-um5pg That's just PR talk. When link first came out it was a mess, lol. It's still not great.
@Dimichan 7 They said wireless doesn't "meet their standard" yet one single developer can produce a wireless alternative that is vastly better, lol.
Haha i have to side with you
I think they probably meant the average consumer won't have the optimal network configuration for an excellent experience thus dumbing it down for the masses with a wired implementation
Im happy they did. I got my Quest 2 on launch day at 1030am. First Quest took me 4 days to get .
Thank you so much for this! I just so happened to be looking into VR and quest 2 this morning and there was this video you just did. You answered a lot of my questions and concerns and now, I’m almost 100% going to get a quest 2 now
Right on! It's great value! Have fun!
@Karol Palazej me two can’t wait 😊
I've had the same fantastic experience with Virtual Desktop. I started with a cable but then discovered VD and the Sidequest VD patch and suddenly I can play everything wirelessly whether I bought it from Steam or Oculus, and everything loads pretty instantly. Since the cable bandwidth is limited to 500Mbps even with the diagnostic tweaks, the speed and latency using 5Ghz wifi is more than sufficient, at least when your desktop is wired to the router. Since I don't have the space near my PC for room scale gaming, going wireless opens up a ton of new games to enjoy.
I got a quest 2 so that me and my family can play games, so watching this really helped me with this because we will be playing at the living room where the router is located while my pc is in my room
The cat sleeping in your chair and moving it's paws distracted me for a sec there :)
Hehe
Distraction cat!
Dreaming that it was playing Beat Saber
For a sec?? It distracted me the hole god damn video
same
I been playing sim racing on my quest 2 with a Logitech G923 steering wheel. I'm only adding 14-17ms latency using VD versus Link. Keep in mind I am not moving much playing sim racing. Your mileage may vary with VD latency. Im using the modem that came with Comcast. Its the same modem that everyone in my house uses.
I don't even see any signs of compression, nor of delay. I actually think people are repeating hearsay because they don't like facebook... But then again I've never used a rift s for example, so I can't say for sure.
This is my usecase as well. Thanks for the input and thanks reviewer for the great content, organization and flow. Every question I had was answered either in the video or the comments. Thanks all!
Can someone enlighten me? My pc is connected with a wire to my modem, my modem is connected to a wifi router which sends the internet. Would it be playable since my Pc isnt physically connected to that wifi router itself? It is connected via the modem.
@@joost1183 pc to modem via ethernet cable -> modem to quest via wifi 5ghz is the way to go. However, as I’m told, you might have to fiddle with channels and your 5g modem might be suboptimal.
In my case,it worked flawlessly from the get go. I get 25 - 35 ms (that’s 2 to 3 FRAMES delay) with the ocasional 45, but overall I’ve tried to notice delay as well as artifacts and there are NONE to speak of.
So I really don’t understand why people have to always mention the link? Mine’s been on the floor next to the pc for 5 months.
Maybe I’ve been lucky?
@@joost1183 oh, now I understood. Your wifi router is bridged to the main modem. Is that it? My set up is exactly this. And it works very well.
Think I'll stick to Rift S for as long as possible. Consensus seems to be that Link is not the way forward for PC VR on Quest 2. Maybe if you have a really high end PC? I have a fairly modest PC and Rift S works very well on it and looks great. Virtual Desktop looks superior. But it's a cumbersome solution currently. Seems crazy at this time to go for a Quest 2 linked to PC (Link or Virtual Desktop) and have performance hampered by the encoding. I wish Oculus had made the Quest 2 a PC VR headset with mobile functionality and not the other way around. By dropping support for the Rift S whilst Link is in beta and Virtual Desktop is a 3rd party, complicated solution it feels like they have left PC VR gaming out in the cold. Bottom line is, as a bench mark, I want to be able to play HL Alyx and for it to look and perform as good as possible. Right now that's Rift S and not Quest 2 I feel.
Virtual desktop is great for the Quest 2, the only downside is the 2h battery. On cable your battery decreases but at a slower pace.
Honestly Im fine with 2hr straight session of vr. Don't need that much continuous fun.
- Shows you his setup.
- Shows you his settings.
- Includes the increased bitrate (though Encoded Resolution and Pixels Per Display Pixel were set to 0? I think they're normally 3000 something and 1.2 respectively)
- Mentions he has small apartment to be specific regarding the router.
- Shows a router that isn't a Wi-Fi 6 Netgear Nighthawk or something excessive.
- Stays on topic and doesn't do retakes. All those stutters left in because everybody stutters.
Amazing guide/review! Incredibly helpful. Only question is about those Debugger settings I mentioned above being set to 0. Cas And Cherry (hope that's spelled right) did a video on increasing the bitrate for Oculus Link as well, but they mentioned the Pixel Per Pixel Override and Encoded Resolution being set to certain levels as well. However, they were also testing with a 2080 Ti so maybe that's got something to do with it... Idk. Great guide though.
I was using Virtual Desktop on a Quest 1 for several months but recently switched to a link cable suspended from my ceiling and to me that was definitely the move. I liked VD, but I too often got latency issues and lowered quality visuals. I was using a 5GHz connection + ethernet and a pc similar to yours too. It's mostly due to me living with people that I've never tried booting all other devices off the 5GHz signal.
Try a Quest3 with wifi 6e. I get a lot more stable connection . Way less interference. Very good picture quality too at 500bitrate.
I appreciate the thorough explanation of why you chose what you chose. Thanks for the info. Can’t wait to get mine.
I just want to say, I appreciate the fact that you still respond to people commenting on the video a year later.
A lot of stuff has changed since then, and only a few youtubers would respond after this much time passed :)
Thank you!
my router is on the other side of the planet and i cant move it so i got an ethernet cable connected it to my pc and got a good speed
until i found a hotspot setting appear on my pc so i opened it and it shared the 5g wifi like an extender and works with the same speed as the router (so ur pc is the router of the oculus quest) this might not work for everyone if ur motherboard doesnt have the hotspot option and you will find the hotspot option when u press the internet icon in your taskbar
The Hotspot thing is even better than using your router because you connect not with your router speed! You exceed the speed of your wired 1Gbit NIC and connect with a WiFi 6 compatible adapter with 2,4 Gibit to your PC directly!
@@Amixus true
How did you use an ethernet cable if your router was far away?
Oh yeah I forgot my PC can do that! Thank you!
I honestly dont get people who are anoyed by the wire, maybe its just I started with the cv1 but I totaly forget the cable is there definetly not worth loosing the resolution and 120hz to go without.
First of all, thanks for the video and information about your various tests. I also did some tests using VD and Link with different settings to get the best results possible. In fact this also depends on the game you play, whether you need lower latency or better graphics. Unfortunately you can't have both at the same time now, just an individual compromise.
Why are Link and Wifi Connection not official ? This is simply because it's not stable enough. There are too many scenarious and different configurations which need to be adjusted to get a proper experience and exactly that does not match the quality standards any company needs to have for their product. Both, link and VD are basically working if you know how to set it up, but for a mainstream product it simply needs to work out of the box, no matter what PC, router you use or cable you plug in. Although Link gets better and the latest update really made a difference, it's not there yet. Nevertheless, i do agree, that wireless gameplay is the future and with Wifi6 i am sure the Quest 2 will get close to what really is useable.
I used a system with X470 Mainboard, RYZEN 3900X, 64 GB RAM and GTX 1070 with 8GB and recently upgraded to a RTX 2070 SUPER + X570 Mainboard which now has USB 3.2r2 Ports. Overall my hardware upgrade did make a significant difference. The new 2070 SUPER improved everything quite a lot.
Bandwith comparison:
- Using the link cable (i have a 3rd party two cable solution with 5m USB 3 extension + 3m USB->C cable) i was able to get between 1.8 and 2.2 Gbps on my old system and now i get about 2.7 Gbps.
- i get about 866 Mbps = 0,866 Gpbs with my standard 5Ghz Router and 1200 Mbps = 1.2 Gbps with my Wifi6 Asus Router at 5Ghz
Refresh rate:
- You can play many games at 72Hz, but 90Hz is much better and some games simply can't be played at a lesser framerate, e.g. First Person Tennis (one of the best games in VR) and ELEVEN Table Tennis. But also racing games do look much better in 90Hz.
Picture quality (VD):
- Although i now have 1200 Mbps connection with VD to my PC i cannot go for higher Birates above 40 Mbps which causes stuttering. The latency is about 22ms but i still get a stuttering sometimes. Even if i set the quality in VD to low. I tested this on both 5Ghz networks i can use separately. The stuttering occurs in ELEVEN table tennis moving head around and holding the racket in front of my face. In some games i do not have much problems, and i suggest this has something to do with the amount of movement data being transferred. The combination of touch controller movement data and receiving video data from the PC may cause problems here.
- There is a bug in the latest Oculus Link beta. With this new beta you can set the bitrate up to 500Mbps, although at about 300Mbps it does not make a big difference if you go higher. Using 300 Mbps the quality is very good, but the resolution is downgraded to 2016 pixels (or less) no matter what you enter in the Oculus Debug Tool. This degraded the quality to less than VD in the highest setting. Once this is fixed i am sure Link will outperform VD by far, since the bandwith simply allows better quality overall.
Latency:
- I get about 22ms in a game using VD, but still some games do not feel right. This may have the same reasons i noted before. The most annoying part here is the automatic movement prediction of the Oculus software. This causes the racket in tennis or Beat Saber to swing if you move your hand fast and stop immediately. The racket or sword does not stop exactly at that point, which makes gameplay in games like tennis not possible. Even in Beat Saber it's just not the same
- Using Link this feels much better, although the latency does seem higher if you display the debug information. But the big difference is the swing of the controllers, which is almost non existant using link.
In my location it may cause problems that we have some 5Ghz networks available, although i have a dedicated 5Ghz router only connected to my Quest and directly to my PC with cable. I am not really sure if i can improve VD performance in games like Table Tennis, so i would like to know some other peoples exeriences using ELEVEN table tennis using VD.
I'm playing eleven natively on q2 so I can't say. I'll test it out and maybe make a future video that goes in more indeptg
Hello! Thank you for expanding your thoughts here, this will really help many players. One question: why use Eleven Table with link or VD? Isn't it enough for you just what is in quest 2?
Have a nice day!
@@divoru77 yes, indeed i play table tennis natively on the Quest 2 and it's perfect (at least with manually enabled 90Hz). In 72Hz it's almost unplayable for me. This was just an example for this type of game. For instance my favourite game First Person Tennis is not available on the Quest and it may never will because the enviroment is pretty complex and the developer does not have a big team to get it converted to the Quest yet. So i need to play this via PC/Link or VD for now. In VD this game is unplayable but with Link it works quite well with the latest v24 Oculus update.
Zero problems on 5ghz wifi here. In fact, at one point I accidentally connected to my work PC over gigabit fibre from home. I noticed the latency but it was hardly killing the experience - just sometimes I'd catch the edges of the over-rendered part of the view.
Thank you for this very detail review. Especially the router suggestion, I would not have known to change the GHz.
I tried virtual desktop with my quest 2, but using a pc link was a noticeable difference in usability...I didn't use the expensive link cable. I just found a 26 footer on amazon and it works fine. It's not making anything look better but for me personally, smooth gameplay is far more important. But after watching this video in going to give virtual desktop another shot
Did you get better latency? The link didn't work well for me either
"Probably everyone here has 2.4g and 5g wifi routers"
Me: *laughs in having terrible wifi*
Sad face.
@@JSyntax so would oculus link be fine with some tweaking? Because I have 20 mbps wifi
@@totallynotme8401 your internet spees doesnt matter. Its the LAN connection that is used for virtual desktop. The link cable works great aswell after todays update (14.Nov)
@@MysticMac000 thank you very much for your reply. Yes I was watching a video of v 29 or something, they said link was better and more crisp now.
you can't not have 2.4ghz wifi dude lol you wouldn't be on youtube
iv noticed that the controller tracking in Beat Saber overshoots your movements and simply is slower with Virtual Desktop. i think that the 30-40ms latency doesnt allow the controllers to track as fast as they can so they end up interpolating alot more that they should.
That's because you use a router! Buy a WiFI 6 AX200 Intel NIC and create a hotspot with your own pc, change the MTU to half of the value and enjoy 15ms latency.
@@Amixus A good WiFi 6 vs a good Wifi 5 wouldn’t affect latency. If the Quest have Wifi 6E it would make a difference though.
@@markus8994 you need to configure your WiFi adapters driver settings to get the latency and it needs to be WiFi 6. It is all hidden in the device manager. Select your WiFi adapter with a right klick and go into advanced settings and turn on throuput booster. And very importantly change the MTU to a lower value. It is the value for package size transferred to your quest. This will significantly speed up your latency but don’t make it to small or the transfer speed will suffer. Why is it impracticable to use a router, because you can’t change those settings mostly and mixing up two MTUs is always a bad idea because one device in this case the router needs to wait till it is able to fill his MTU resulting in a much higher latency. You also end up with a higher transfer speed. Most of the people are connected with only 1 Gbit to the router but the max speed of a WiFi adapter is mostly double the speed of your wired connection.
Although your router has to have a gigabit ethernet connection, like you have, some 5Ghz AC Routers only has a 100Mb/s ethernet connection, I recently bought a new router for this reason, works great.
Same here; bought a TP-Link AX1500 for dirt cheap and I have no issues; I've stopped even running my headset through a cable on long sessions and simply strapped a battery bank to the back of my headset for better balance and immersion :D (Getting sub 10 ms latency, usually hovering around 6)
To note if you are worried about wifi channels, a surefire way would be to go wifi6 with one of the newer routers that has it. That will basically only be used for the latest laptops/phones and your VR headset, it's also much more latency optimized than previous standards.
Dude that apartment looked so expensive! Kudos to you for such a nice lifestyle.
It's a tiny space, not like a house but thank you
@@JSyntax looks nice though! i live in a normal sized house (2 floors 1 loft) my brother lives in the loft upstairs and i live in a smallish room but its good enough for vr, i smashed my monitor playing the tutorial of skyrim vr though.. that room is rather big though, all you really need is a nice sized room, a kitchen and a bathroom with shower and you've got it! :D
@@JSyntax Compared to apartments in Japan, this is a castle
@@JSyntax Is this a tiny house or an apartement?
@@peacelight_live tiny sky box apartmnet with paper thjin walls
The Active USB used for the VR Link is because of length. The USB 3.2 gen 2 standard as written allows for passive cables up to 1m of distance, USB 3.2 gen 1 allows for up to 3m.
Just as with other standards like ethernet cable length, although you can get a connection with cables that exceed the standard length. The quality of that link can't be guaranteed by the standard.
Very informative, this made me make up my mind on on deciding which to invest into.
Right on!
Unless you use VR as a means of production (e.g. you are producing VR content for money on YT) this is not an investment. It's consumption.
@@kanalarchis it can be investment in regard to degradation
@@kanalarchis you can invest in your own happiness. Not all investments are about monetary value.
@@kanalarchis You invest in leasure, exercising..
-Come on, man!
Joe Biden, 2020
What about productivity? Endless screen real-estate for all those emails and chrome tabs… can you please make a follow up for working in vr?
I can’t believe there wasn’t even a single “there are no strings on me”!
Have the quest 2 and the rift s. On the quest 2 image quality has less screen door effect ,is slightly blurry and colors seemed washed out. On the rift s more screen door effect, more clearer and vivid colors. The tracking has been hit and miss with the controllers on the quest 2, the rift s has more solid tracking. Ever since I got a 3080ti, I am able to crank up the supersampling to 300 on the rift
s and get a much better clearer image quality. I have gravitated back to the rift s for now.
interesting!
i bought an anchor link cable when i pre-ordered my quest 2. I set up virtual desktop straight away because after 4 years of the cv1 i was sick of the wires. it works so flawlessly even playing beat saber on expert +. So basically i bought a cable that i haven't even tried once with oculus link because why would i when i can just play wireless and still get better visuals than i did on my cv1 with no noticeable latency. it is beyond me why facebook think wireless link still isn't good enough. they should at least let vd put it in their app without sideloading.
I returned my Oculus link cable afer my testing. I'm done with wires. So done.
I actually used the cord last night to keep it charged while I played pop one because I stupidly left it turned on for 2 hours and drained my batteries 😅
Are you using the extension cable?
@@snapdragon9300 just the 5m anchor cable. But I bought a 10000mAH battery since then and strapped it to the back of the headset. Lasts me more time than I can generally play for one session
Are you using ethernet
Thank you so much. As a gamer who goes back to the original online bulletin boards and 5.25 floppies, VR is a great new new way to game, but there's a lot to know. This answered a lot of questions I had about setup and Q2 vs RS.
Hope you like vr
Virtual desktop is 100% the go to if you can do it. Moving freely and low latency gaming on your computer is just amazing.
Hell ya
@@JSyntax Haha yeah. I have a friend that wasn't able to use link then I recommend virtual desktop and it worked for her. Much happier with it then link.
I think there are probably 3 main reasons why Oculus went with link vs. Wireless
1. Easier initial setup
2. Wireless experience can vary widely depending on your network setup, local wifi noise, network congestion, etc.
3. They make money selling them.
As for my setup, I picked up a $50 tp link to use as a dedicated router for my Quest and PC. I do have a pretty good main router and tried for a while to get it working to my satisfaction, but I couldn't eliminate the occasional lag spikes which caused stuttering and pauses in the game. I think this is most likely caused by network traffic/congestion on the router and I think your solution of moving EVERYTHING else to 2.4 MIGHT have worked, but I have other things I want running at 5ghz speed so spending the $50 for the dedicated router worked perfectly for me. It really wasn't all that complicated to set up, it really came down to disabling DHCP on the secondary router and leaving a small range of IP addresses out of the DHCP range of the primary router so you can give it a dedicated IP. I did have to run a cable downstairs where I play to cable it in, but that was no big deal. Anyway, for somebody just getting it I would recommend your solution first of moving everything else to 2.4 and try that. If you still aren't satisfied, or like me have things you want to keep on 5ghz, then a dedicated setup should almost certainly do the trick. There are youtube videos that explain in much more detail how to set up your lan to accommodate the 2nd router.
I watched tons of these comparisons and bought a quest 2. I've decided that I actually like my Rift S better for PCVR. To me the image quality is better than VD or link and something no one mentions, the Rift S has a wider field of view. I can see the edges of the image in the quest 2 and it breaks immersion for me, feels more like I'm looking at the environment through goggles vs just my eyes.
Interesting, I felt the opposite! Quest 2 felt bigger fov
I agree, def the Rift s felt wider and better overall as an experience. I don't notice the difference between frame rates either, it still feels smooth on Rift s for me.
@@JSyntax could be a result of us having different IPDs. The Rift is adjustable through software from 58mm to 72mm. The Quest 2 hard locks at 58mm, 63mm, and 68mm. I do remember raising the IPD on the Rift, but I don't recall the exact number. What I do know is the Quest 2 is too narrow for me at 58 (I get the goggle effect), and then it starts to split the image on me at 63(obviously disorienting)......or maybe it was 63 goggle effect (would be worse at 58), image splitting at 68..
So basically I need an IPD that I can't get on a Quest 2. I don't think there was a software adjustment between hard settings for the Quest 2, seems I read that somewhere. But I didn't look to be honest so I'll have to check tomorrow. But in lieu of that, the Rift S is the better choice for my particular IPD.
Might not be a bad idea to do a video on that issue. I think that going from a small incremental adjustment to a "3 sizes fits all" approach was a mistake.
thank you for saying this i actually love u, for the past 20 minutes ive been freaking out thinking that I blew my money on a rift s when the quest 2 is better all around, but i guess tahts not true
@@elijahgundlach690 After further research I've determined it's a compression issue. Whereas the Rift S gets a direct image feed from your video card, for the Quest 2 the image has to be compressed to send across the cable/wifi. This causes a picture degradation. Now this won't be an issue for natively installed programs, but will affect any PCVR.
Well I bought the Oculus for PCVR, so the Quest isn't for me.
You do want 802.11ax because it allows you to get a 1200mbps connection to your devices. On my network I am using 9000MTU (Jumbo Frames) with 802.ax which allows crazy good bandwidth between all my devices. Jumbo Frames also allows you to send fewer packets with more data.
i dont think i can trust someone that has bought an alien ware pc
Haters
@@JSyntax gonna hate 👽
we've all been there man
@@JSyntax ngl, hes kinda right
@@JSyntax but i got a quest 2, and the virtual desktop works amazingly
Great video breakdown. I just got virtual desktop and you don't need to use side quest anymore, but I did learn about how to adjust the refresh rate.
Thanks for the video!
indeed, things keep getting better, i need to update this video.
I just got an Quest 2 and was wondering is there a SIGNIFICANT difference playing the same PCVR game via VD to the quest 2, versus playing the same game downloaded to the headset? Are the graphics/latancy/etc so much better to warrant someone like me to build a $1,000 gaming computer?
Me and a friend could never get virtual desktop running without a lot of lag and choppy gameplay. We both tried a lot of different troubleshooting steps. The link cable works, but again, I still experience choppy gameplay and I am running an rtx 3070. Thank you for making this video!
I bought a quest 2 but I also pre ordered an hp reverb g2. I think im more pcvr. The wire doesn't bother me that much but the resolution, artifacts, and lag on the quest 2 with pcvr does bother me.
Reverb g2 has some shitty controllers man! The headset is good but i will not buy it because of the controllers, they are sooooo bad compared to the Quest2
@@spreadthehate this is simply not true. Controllers and tracking are just fine on g2
@@MysticMac000 Who is talking about tracking? The controllers suck! 2 AA batterys empty in 1 or 2 days, no good fibrating feedback, feels cheap etc.
@@spreadthehate Controllers are tracked by the headset mate, so you brought it up. Controllers are not the best i agree, but no so bad you cant even use the headset like you claim
@@MysticMac000 so again, where do you see me saying the tracking is bad??? Did you take your meds?
I been running VD with Q2 @90hz in VRChat and its beautiful. Im actually saturating my display and getting 90fps while playing most VR games. I got a 8 core CPU, 5.2Ghz all core-OC and a RTX2070S 32GB-DDR4 3600mhz. Spend your money getting a good gaming rig, it will make your VR experience so much more rewarding. Also use ethernet to your router for VD, it makes a big difference not having to go wifi both directions.
Agreed 3x
Isn’t it going to be able to go up to 120hz?
For Oculus Quest 2 users
the 80$ link isn't needed, Most current games use a max of 100-150mb/s through-put, so most 2.0 cables will absolutely handle this. Its like the whole RAM deal, More Ram isn't going to speed up your PC unless you are already using all you've got. So having a 3.0 isn't going to make 80% of the games quicker, unless of course you are trying to increase the Image quality and need that extra bandwidth.
H 264 is CPU heavy? HEVC is not?
you got this the other way around
He said h264 wasnt you got it the other way around
I have an 8 meter cable running along the wall from my computer that sits near the floor at my play area. Then I connect a 3 meter cable to that (they came together as a set) when I want to play and have it clipped to my headset to run down my back. If you face away from your cable, have enough slack on the floor, it never gets in your way and I have a 6'x8' play area. This, coming from a 3 sensor setup for my first headset the CV1 with 5 plugs in my comp to 1 plug... is miles better. All I need is official 90htz and I'm gold.
I bought a Rift S because I only do PC-VR like 2 weeks ago.
This better not break my heart lmao
Is rift s good for steam games?
I have a question for you guys do I need a pc or can I use my laptop with windows 10?
@@Ps_35128 if your using vr, get a gaming pc/laptop
Preferably with high end specs, 16-32gig ram, ssd, 2080 rtx or better but 2060 rtx and th one below is aight, i-7 cpus, kinda recent generations im not to familiar with it, i have an amd ryzen 5 3550h in my laptop and i think itd do vr aight, so atleast that equal to intel, and thats like an i5 i think maybe almost a i7
I'm sick in bed with food poisoning at the moment and I found your voice super soothing. Really nice video as I've just built a pc and about to dive into virtual desktop. Gorgeous cat too 🙂
Use virtual desktop and side quest's adb commands and it's freaking amazing
Which type of command specificly?
agreed everyone thats whinging has no idea about it and i play in 2560 resolution it smashed any other res maybe doesnt beat the valve one thats it.
Got virtual desktop after a 3rd party cord was defective and this is a great video to show that I dont need a wire. Was worried link would be much better performance but playing a couple games streaming is great a few stutters but that's my PC and all cleared up in seconds
Ethernet helps the PC but idk if my router is 5g only 1 source dont have 2.4 or 5ghz
6:30 what kind of table do you have? that needs wifi?
i meen... my table has no wifi, and im able to place things on it very good...
does it have lower latency or something?
LMAO! I saw this and died!
I have a standard Xfinity router and it has both 2.4 and 5.8 gHz (dual bandwidth). I use a cheap dual band wifi repeater (extender/booster) upstairs in my apartment with 5.8 gHz dedicated to my quest and 2.5 gHz dedicated a Macbook Pro logged on to my Shadow (remote desktop with great gaming does). Star Wars Squadrons works great. I didn't know I had to switch the 90 gHz on every time. Good to know.
i just do it wireless the latency is hardly noticeable and it looks great
I have the Rift S and the Quest 2. My pc is pretty fast with EVGA RTX 2070 Super XC, Intel i9-9900K but the Rift S still looks better than the Quest 2 with the link cable. I had 90 hz enable on the Quest 2 with higher resolutions but it still didn't seem as sharp as the Rift S. Yes you see a little screen door with the Rift S but the difference between 90 and 80 hz was noticeable. I use it mostly for iRacing and the Rift S still seemed like a better experience to me. I haven't tried Virtual Desktop yet. Also, the lens on the Rift S has a bigger sweet spot and seems clearer not as many fresnel lines. Don't count out the Rift S just yet.
I have been using a flimsy usb-c cable for months now and i can stream my games to discord and twitch at 1080/60 with no lag so i don’t understand the link cable at all it’s a waste
Im using a laptop and a quest 2 for pcvr and im getting about 5 to 10ms with using virtual desktop, i managed to do this by creating a wifi hotspot on my laptop that is connecter over ethernet wire. Then i connect my quest 2 to that wifi hotspot from my laptop. Its realy easy to setup and so nice to use.
Lol I've pretty much got the same specs for my pc and are just useing the standard broadband providers router. Definitely need to try some of your suggestions tho. I'm kinda low Res atm with my pc and quest on WiFi.
Note on router, you don't have to spend $200 on essentially a dedicated Access Point for VR. TP Link makes a great router that you can put in AP mode and only transmit the AX bands for $80. I just plugged that into my existing network and boom, better VD performance.
Needless to say my existing network performed well and I've beaten multiple Expert levels on beat saber through it without worry of latency.
The reason one might want a VR Specific router is if the main router or access point is either too far or there is too much structural interference to keep the signal reliable enough for VD.
I should mention though that I wired my house a while ago so extending my existing network with another router in my play space was pretty easy. Probably not so much if all you have is wireless connections everywhere since then, now you're dealing with network wireless bridges and such which....is "fun".
the most informative! awesome video
Ty
FYI for anyone who is less networking savvy WIFI 6 is only going to help you if you have heavier network traffic the big differance between WIFI 5 and 6 is the number of channels it uses this allows it to be faster but in practical application it will only be faster if there are a larger number of devices all using the network at the same time, it is far more important to have your PC on a wired connection to the access point and having as few barriers (walls, furniture, ect.) between the quest and the access point as possible.
Watching this in Virtual Desktop rn :)
TH-cam VR is the same but kk
I have a quest 2 aswell, and i agree that VD is the best option until the update which should be out now. Can’t wait to test the link in 90hz.
But the slight “overclock” in sidequest helps alot too with visuals and i have mine at the highest settings, works great for me.
HI, is it possible to do resolution boost sidequest mod with virtual desktop. i know quest link work but how about with virtual desktop? thanks
Great info! I actually went for the rift s personally, ill take the lower refresh rate trade off for just being able to plug in play PC VR instaed of all the tinkering also default head strap is better
Wrong choice my dude... I have a rift s that shit makes u troubleshoot everytime you wanna play you gotta replug them and restart it’s annoying af. With quest 2 you just put it on ur face and it’s good to go. If you don’t wanna have to mess around with it you can get a link but doing the virtual desktop thing is super easy to do it’s not at all complicated. Also the $20 for virtual desktop and $50 head strap makes it still only 370 which is still cheaper
@@TalkToChimp1 ive had 0 issues with my rift S so far, and I hear mix things with the link cable as of now
@@rowsdower3456 the. Link. Cable. Is. Stupid. I’m. Saying. That. Cause. You. Don’t. Like. To. *tinker around*
@@rowsdower3456 also 90hz is sexy
Every update basically bricked my rift s. Haven’t been able to use it in awhile.
Virtual desktop is better hands down . The compression that has to go through USB causes artifacting and what I can only describe as wobbly vision sometimes. Not to mention the stutter. Oculus link also heavily tasks your CPU because of the compression
Windows pc that are wireless wifi compatible have an option for a hotspot from your pc that may decrease latency cause it will be your quest directly to your pc.
To activate this you click the little wifi/Ethernet symbol on the bottom right
Then you click mobile hotspot.
You can change the password and name where you go to your settings then go to your wifi options.
Then their should be mobile hotspot options.
Hoped this helped 👍
THANK YOU. Finally one person addresses all of these items so that I can get a solid informed opinion about whether it is worth it to ditch my CV1 for a Q2. There are so many wildly varying opinions about this on the internet with little to back up claims.
Thank you so much for your kind comment
@@JSyntax you're very welcome. Looking forward to seeing if your new 3070 gives you a big performance bump with the Quest 2!
Thanks for the video! I’m still using quest 1. In terms of the picture quality is it worth it setting up virtual desktop compared to oculus link? I live in crowded apartment so dedicating my 5ghz solely to Quest might affect my other devices speed, ping etc. 😅
5ghz is short range. Don't think it'll be a problem. I live in a crowded apartment. Packed like sardines.
If you use your Quest while everyone else is on your router, you may have a stutter here and there. It will work. I use my regular Comcast modem and its really good. You need to get a ethernet cable though. I got a 15 foot long ethernet cable and I ran a wire to my cable modem in my living room. The ethernet cable makes the biggest improvement of any other mod you could do for Virtual Desktop performance.
@@ryanmalin Damn, that's good info. I guess I just got lucky that I happen to have a wired ethernet connection from my PC to my Router :O
Good info, I also find directly connecting my computer to the router so I can keep the 5gz band open for the Quest the best option.
I thought about listening to this, but then I saw the alienware.
2:20 On my official Link Cable connected to a 10gbps port, I got 2.5gbps.
Returned and got the Kiwi cable for way cheaper and sit at 3.0gpbs now.
6:00 Wow you got the Xbox Series X Mini!
Lmfao
I bought some of the 3rd party cables, but did not have luck getting them recognized as USB 3. I ultimately went for the official cable - it just works. It is pricey, but it doesn't seem like a (complete) money grab to me as it is *not* just another copper cable. ...Price still hurt, though...
the lowest latency i have is 0ms because i don't even have quest 2
no I think its your brain that has 0ms latency
@@mrzappy7054 well you're not wrong
I use my Quest 2 with Virtual Desktop over wireless as well to play PCVR games and it works great. I was amazed that the lag is not that much and you have to try hard to be able to notice it. I played VR games on PSVR and the Oculus Rift CV1 before and to be able to play without wires is just awesome. The thing that bothered me the most about using a link cable is the cable management. My Quest 2 replaced both my Rift CV1 and Quest 1. Even if you don't have a gaming PC, the Quest 2 has the best stand alone VR experiences and games so far for hours of fun.
I noticed one small issue with one game so far in Virtual Desktop (Deemo Reborn) and that was because you need to hold the Menu Button to reset the view in that game, and holding makes you go back to the Virtual Desktop menu instead. After reading some tips on the Steam forum it seems like the menu button is also bound to the left analog stick by pushing the left analog stick button and moving it down and holding it there for a second.
I agree! It's interesting how each generation kills the major annoyances. Rift to rift S, eliminated the insane setup required for external sensors with inside out tracking, quest/q2 eliminate the wire. Next is we need to eliminate the bulky headset somehow. Each Gen is a leap we take for granted except for us
Quest 2 - 120hz update coming soon
it is a software update on this quest 2 or will be there another version of oculus quest?
@@stuckluca its a software update for Quest 2.
I have a 9900k 64gb ram, 2080ti. I play Half Life Alyx maxed, h 265 hevc via wirless with my Quest 2. It works perfectly. Great video thanks!
That's a lovely cat. :)
Thank you!
I was getting 24 ms latency on my GTX 1060. Once I upgraded to RX 5700 XT that latency increased to about 40 ms, after that I only used link cable.
Nvenc vs x264 maybe?
I mean... The Rift S literally only has IPD for less than half of adults in the world.... So on that basis alone the Quest 2 wins.... Rift S is just an expensive motion sickness simulator
I’d rather have a rift s for sim racing. It’s much more comfortable and you can adjust the ipd... lol
Link works fine for me with titles like Beat Saber, BoneWorks, and phasmophobia. VRchat is the thing that sucks the most. When I try to play it, I get 17-40 FPS on VR-mode (Playing titles like among us VRchat) when on PC I can get 60-90 FPS. (In among us VRchat) (if you have any solutions for this please tell me) (Might just be a link problem tho)
the family does not have interest in me having a wired connection, in fact the despise of the idea
So buy a 25$ Intel WiFi 6 Nic (AX200) and create a dedicated hotspot with your pc.
@@Amixus Honestly I just created one using the already onboard wifi on my pc, works great. You dont need to buy anything.
My existing network worked well, however, in wifi 6, with all my other devices connected I had a much smoother and less choppy experience using desktop VR with my quest 2. I bought a 70 dollar wifi 6 enabled router.
My pc is up stairs in my room with a 100 foot ethernet cable connected to my router. And I play downstairs around 20 to 30 feet away from my pc.
My wife constantly streams TH-cam on her pc and netflix on the tv at the same time while she does what she does and I have several Google homes connected along with our phones, and tablets and laptops connected. With wifi 6, my connection is much more consistent.
The oculus link is no more in beta...
is it good now?
@@dutchquintengamesnl4205 yea it is pretty good
New to VR. I bought the Rift S because I only care about PC based VR. I have seen that the Rift S is to be discontinued. Other than than that it doesn’t have manual IDP, is 80hz and requires tethering why would I consider the Quest 2? The hand and finger gestures are a nice touch, and wireless if it works could also be handy but less bothered by this. I’ve seen some reviews that suggest the image is better on the Rift S even though a slightly different res. Sorry for the long text.
Sold my Rift S immediately once the quest 2 was launched. No regrets. But rift S is still damn amazing and less gpu intensive than q2 for pcvr because it's native. Enjoy!
I dont believe everyone has a 800+mbps connection, mine only almost reaches 30
your internet speed from your ISP doesn't matter. Only need the 5 GHZ capability on your router. Basically, the PC talks to the app, which talks to the router and then to the headset.
@@joshrau6037 yes well, i dont have a router. I use a small internet box at the size of a cig box
@@dimitrov7802 You definitely need a router, with 5GHZ capability in order to play PCVR wirelessly on quest 2
I have a very similar setup as you. PC connected directly via ethernet and using quest 2 and virtual desktop on the local wifi. I need to check all the devices on our 5ghz channel; am trying to find other ways to get the most out of my setup.
Imagine he ran into his glass and flew out the window. I would never put my setup there.
Lol!
I don’t get it. How can Wireless be better than using a usb c cable??????
Off cause it is, Quest 2 is wireless, Rift S got a tail unfortunately 😊
This video convinced me to buy a Quest 2. I know there's a lot of privacy concerns and issues with FB. But honestly, I'm still happy with it. My Rift S almost ALWAYS had issues when setting it up on the PC. Sometimes it would take an hour to get everything ready to play, and even then it wasn't perfect. But this? It's so easy and straightforward. I'm in a game within minutes. That includes PCVR games. It's just such an incredible jump going from wired VR to wireless. I'm stunned, honestly. And using VD, while not as clear as it would be with the Rift S, is still incredible and just as good. You can tell a difference, but it doesn't even matter when you're in the game and having fun. I live in a cramped house and I have a massive computer. So, it's so much easier to have a wireless VR that I can use anywhere, instead of having to either move my PC or stretch the cables out to find the right spot in the house.
Thank you for this video. Excellent job.
I have to agree of every point you made in this video comment. When I was playing with my Rift s would always bug out when I wanted to play and I had to restart my computer just to get it working it was just very buggy software and Hardware
@@JSyntax Agreed. It was always a bunch of trial and error to get it ready to play.
Me with my 4-12 second latency playing beat saber "Latency makes some of these maps impossible"
Him with his 29-34 second latency play beat saber "It's quite playable"
Latency is measured in milliseconds not seconds. 4-12 milliseconds are impossible for a human to distinguish so I call bullshit
The best thing about the quest 2 for me. Is that not only can it work wirelessly on my local home network. But I can also stream it to my friends house without bringing my pc! Unbelievable! On top of that I can connect a xbox controler and play pc games with a controller while also at a friend's house! It's perfect for lan parties.
Note: where I live everyone has 1000mb/s from the isp
I was with you until I saw those socks with sandals....
I got a quest 2 last week and a dedicated 50$ router, works very smoothly and consistently. I love it.
Wifi 6?
@@JSyntax It’s actually just the tplink archer C6. I looked online and it seemed that for a dedicated router wifi 6 doesn’t make a huge difference. If there was a similarity priced one in my country I would’ve purchased it instead tho. But I’m more than satisfied with mine. 99%
Ah quest, the headset that ruined vrchat (because of the little 8 year olds that somehow got onto the game)
8 year olds + free game
who could have guessed??
I mean, you do know that you can play VRChat on your pc?
@@rubenvermaat7170 yes but they put it on the quest which made the 8 year olds ruin the game
I know this video is a little older now, but too anyone watching, careful messing around with debug tool bit rate, slightly changing at all can cause link to stop working entirely, and you likely won't need to do this anymore anyway as link has been raised to 500mbs anyway's. Just know that if you are going to mess with it setting it too zero should fix any issues you encounter.
Thank you
I have a 2600 sq foot home, so routing everything through there is not nearly as simple as it is for you. :-) I'm contemplating about making a drop where my router is and making a run through the wall to the crawl space, and then under the house to the wall next to where I sit. Then, put another data port there. From there, I think I'll hook up a 2nd router that runs faster, and runs the latest and greatest. (I saw a TP link for under $80 that should do that). While I have a fairly new router, it doesn't support the ax standard and my computer does.
Spot on bud. The reason for all the vids about dedicated routers etc are because this is a new technology to many including myself and its an opportunity to get views. I totally agree with you I have a superhub 3 which isn't brilliant but it's adequate for virtual desktop running on 5ghz. It does what I need and it does it well therefore don't see any point in buying a new router just because someone says you nned need one. I think people need to start doing their one testing and research to find what actually works for them without accepting opinions from others. Nice video.
Thank you!
Ive had psvr for over 6 years and owned the GO and Quest 1 , and a Rift S ... and now with the Quest 2 it is better but Link and VD are still compressed images and its very noticeable vs the Rift S and I continue to use my Rift S due to the nauseating 72Hz difference. Once they utilize the full bandwidth of USB and 90Hz of Quest 2 then It will replace the Rift S or a standalone PC headset. Its still very early and what one comment said its all about the marketing... they had to rush a new Quest because of demand. All about the moneys $$ lol .. next year I feel we will see the real improvements we were all really looking for.
I have the RiftS and now also the Quest2. At first I was really dissapointed with Link and VD. They both had noticable latency and some weird tracking issues, and basicly it was impossible to play games like beat saber trough Link or VD. But since the v23 update, its like a whole different system! I cant notice any latency using the link now, and since it came out of beta, the resolution upgrade and 90hz, its super smooth. I can play expert+ maps with no issue. VD also seems to have been updated, and there is way less noticable latency for me, but still a bit. But even beat saber is now suddenly playable! Honestly, i think with this update, the q2 is actually a better headset than the rift S. I still use the rift S for flight sims, since its less demanding on the pc due to lower resolution, and more comfortable. For EVERYTHING else i now use the quest 2.
Im thinking of buying one today. The rift s is 400 bucks and the quest 2 is 300.. so only a 100 dollar difference which if you add the link that’s only a 25 dollar difference. Would you recommend the rift s ? I have an I9k and RTX ti so my computer can handle big games. Im concerned the quest 2 battery is terrible and the whole problem connecting to games. Which im probably going to be playing steam and rift games like lone echo which arent available for quest 2. Any thoughts?
You cannot honestly claim that quest 2 is better visually thab Rift S for pcvr. This is simply untrue