Once upon a time I was going to buy a Filson bag, but the price kept me at bay. Now I definitely won't support those prices as they move their production to sweatshop labor! That info alone made this video worth clicking on!
I ended up emailing them and they say that the'll keep some items domestic, like their bags and mackinaw wool products. They cited "quality control" as the reason for moving production overseas.
@@CarlMurawski so what they are saying is that all their old and now redunant workers who worked hard for them over the years were in the end not appreciated and they felt they did sub par work. I am not knocking Bangladesh products as actually, if they are made from the good quality materials then there is great skill in that country when it comes to clothing. Many high end shirt makers in the eighties and nineties in the UK used to have quite a few more modestly priced shirts made there and I never had an issue with them. No, Filsons answere is BS. The truth of the matter is obvious, more profit for the owners and shareholders and less expenses in employing American workers. I would not mind if they were at least honest about it but I guess they would not sell many items if they were honest! I wish honesty in these high end companies would come back. Its either marketing rubbish to up sell or poor excuses to cut costs.
@@CarlMurawski ...I'm honestly at a loss for words. How is shipping your production to another country, one that's known for exploiting workers and using children for labor, going to fix your "quality control" issues? Wow.
@@ianmedium I am also not knocking products created in other countries; many places create quality goods, and care about their workers and the environment. The problem is Bangladesh is not known to be one of those locales, because they regularly use sweatshops and child labor, so for me it's a hard pass. I do my best to shop local and second hand to try and avoid supporting businesses/countries that do horrible things to their workers and nature. I agree with you - their excuse is a cop out to screw over American workers and consumers. And I'm willing to bet their prices won't drop.
I’m definitely part of that 10% who bought the Will’s and work a blue collar job (coffee roaster) it took me about a year of owning the will’s to work up the courage to start wearing it at work and let me tell you it’s worth it. The way this jacket wears and breaks in is what really makes it worth the money. Im always getting complements by people who know the brand and people who don’t. I’ve even had strangers ask to buy it off me for the price I paid new. I’ve had the jacket for about 3 years now and it’s still solid as a rock with no problems and just keeps looking better the more I wear it and get it dirty.
I definitely got a lot of comments and inquiries about the jacket. Personally I found it too hot for the work I was doing and ended up selling for $800 after a year of hard use…
Thank you for saying this. At 24oz it's made to break-in and loosen up with use. It reminds me of old fire hoses I used on MFD. Same as Nick's and White's boots, blue collar workers will spend more for quality pieces and tools.
Love my Will’s jacket and I have quite a few Ship John things. Definitely not for everyone but nothing out there is meant to be. Like leather jackets it looks cooler with time and working in it helps that along. Carhartt jackets I’ve owned fall apart at the cuffs and sleeves and so far this jacket is still going strong after 2 years. They revamped their ordering process too, still not the easiest to get but they are a very small shop. Ship John also partners with some other cool companies like Wesco, Dehen, and Langlitz to make some badass stuff. I could be their spokesperson 😂 needless to say I do love me some Ship John.
Been waiting to hear your views on this jacket. And it was pretty much what I was expecting. I fall into the category of who you thought might be the right customer for this jacket. I don't do construction work but I run construction work so it suits my needs. It's definitely built like a tank but comfortable it isn't. I've had mine for three years and it never really does break in. It's definitely not a jacket that I look forward to putting on. Especially when the jacket is cold. It's extremely stiff and definitely needs a liner which is something they've corrected. Your review was spot on.
I'd recommend trying out the Tin Duck Denim Trucker Jacket. New and small company, significantly cheaper than Filson and Shipjohn and 4-5 week wait times. Every bit as tough and heavy as the Wills jacket material wise, but with an actual working cut. It's been great for logging, just slow break in.
@chrisdodson9011 really small company, very new. The guy worked with ship cloth and is venturing into clothing after Filson began outsourcing to fill the gap in the Pacific Northwest. I enjoy the work cut of it, but I really have no complaints. Possibly, the zipper could extend an inch or two further on the Trucker Jacket, but that's about it. I work in timber and as an outfitter. I haven't put miles on it for a full review as it's only been a couple of months, but I'm really enjoying it so far. It's what I wanted for a work jacket at a great price point, so I'm content. I'd recommend reaching out to Jason through the email on his website if you have questions. Great guy, he even took my custom measurements into account. I hope this helps out some.
I’m late to the party on this but I am really liking what I see from this company. The 24oz is a huge selling point too. I was curious about the sizing and fit for you to better help me gauge when I buy.
@jasonkynge724 I ended up going for a custom size because I have odd dimensions, but the jackets run a bit large. I'm 6'4" with a 58" chest so I got a 3xl in the upper and a 2xl at the waist with some added sleeve length. Overall, the jacket has been running strong through work and it's been great. You'll want to keep up with the wax if you tend to scratch it a lot, but no complaints. It's a work fit for sure.
Love mine so much I signed up for a V2 too. Also have a Hopkins jacket from them, and they all blow Filson completely out of the water on quality. Ship John is quality, quality, quality.
As always a terrific review. The ordering process is beyond terrible. You need to schedule your day around a specific time and find a high speed internet connection, which in Alaska is nearly impossible. Reminds me more of calling in to get a promotion at a radio station then ordering clothes. If you somehow get over that hurdle you have the privilege of providing shipjohn with an interest free loan for a year. It’s too bad that the process detracts from otherwise a good product.
It’s over priced. Which is magnified by the absolutely ridiculous ordering rigmarole. The cut on all the Ship John products is bizarre to say the least. All of the sleeves look too slim, the chest pockets too small, and the legs on the jeans look like you couldn’t fit a strand of spaghetti down them.
I've been to the store a few times. Literally was the only person of color because Portland is not a diverse major city and dude I got so many damn stares and on top of that no one cared to greet me or say anything to me. Fuckin woke Portland people who pretend to be all about inclusivity.
Pre-ordered my Wills jacket in December, but won’t receive until July 2023 so there is definitely a long wait. Hopefully I love the jacket as much as I want to. Appreciate the honest review as always, I look forward to watching your videos every Sunday.
The sad thing about the pre order is we're never promised tomorrow and the ship John dude isn't promised tomorrow too, so where would your money go then if something happened to either of you?
Entertaining as always and a spot on review of this jacket! I’m anxiously awaiting a Dehen/Ship John black waxed jacket collab that was pre order back in November. Should be ready to ship in the next week or two 🤞
Ty for the video. I'm a thin lad and tow trailers across the yard in sporadic thunderstorms in a fly over state. This will do finely as other yard drivers fuck off in cheap rain gear.
I love his stuff seems to be built around the slim guy when most products look like I'm wearing a bathtub because everything just runs so big so it's a breath of fresh air
Murawski, it's a good job I live in Scotland else I'd..! Just kidding bud, I love my Flint and Tinder lined wax jacket, my Tanuki Redcast denim jacket and jeans, my Darn Tough socks, my Taylor Stitch pocket T's, etc. All of which I bought upon your recommendation and may never have, had I not trusted your judgement. You've not let me down yet and I'm thankful for introducing each item into my wardrobe. This jacket looks good, the quality seems very high but I thought it looked a bit tight on you and even though I'm personally more lean, I can't see myself wearing this jacket much at all. I wonder how much you'll wear it over the course of a year? Not much, I'd think. Going out, I'd imagine you'd prefer a good leather jacket too. But you can update us all on that. Cheers wee man.
I was just getting ready to order mine for a Jan 2025 delivery and came across a few threads about sizing that concerned me. Some saying it tends to run large and some saying it runs small. I am about 5'10" 175, and thought that a medium would fit, thinking it would be a little on the roomy side so I can layer. My Barbour's seem true to size, I get mediums and they fit great, but with the Barbour International, even the medium is snug and wouldn't allow for even layering over a thin hoodie, let alone my fleece 1/4 zip.
Love your reviews Carl My son he going to school to be an electrician here in ct and he watches a lot of your videos with me Just preordered my Wills not to long ago , but won’t be here till next year Thanks Carl
Ship John are good folks and it's definitely worth a visit if anyone is in Portland. I personally am too fat for the brand and too poor to be honest. But I did grab the Ship John stormy kromer cap they made. Love that company regardless.
Wore my Wills for over a year, in and out of the work environment and decided to sell it. It’s definitely for the slimmer body type with a more fashion forward cut. The jacket is superbly made and very heavy but ultimately it was too hot, unlined and it got swampy in it. It’s a shame that Mike didn’t want to talk to you but then cowardly made a response post on IG about your review. The longer I follow their page, the less I like the face of the company, he’s petty and very opinionated at times, and the sad response instead of an interview is a testament to that.
The owner and his crew are definitely assholes. Bunch of privileged pronoun loving portlanders who didn't give a shit to greet or say anything to me when I visited the store, maybe it was because I'm a person of color? Maybe not, but Portland is supposed to be all about inclusivity and I haven't experienced any of it because all you see are white people who are scared of people of color lol
Serious question: Back in the 1980s, Australian waxed longcoats were the rage. Everyone looked like they were riding horses in the rain. Those waxed coats smelled like 40 year old canvas tents. The smell was awful and never went away. That smell transfered to whatever you were wearing under the coat. Do today's waxed jackets have that strong mildewed canvas odor? Thanks.
Great Question. Can't wait to hear answers I have heard with the waxed canvas stuff that putting the coat in a drawer or chest with cedar with dryer sheets put into the sleeves and pockets will help with this issue. I have no experience doing this just passing on the hearsay. Mothballs may also help but then you are replacing one smell for another one and you might find that worse.
Just got my Tin duck trucker jacket and I would be it up against any of them 4 to 6 week delivery Great service Great jacket Heavy Get busy breaking it in Thanks vv
I would really like to have a Wills. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the timeline to get one 😞. So… I decided to go with the Flint & Tinder trucker waxed jacket. It should be arriving any day now along with a 10 year hoodie! 😃😃
My jacket and hoodie arrived today. I couldn’t be happier with them. The fit is spot on (5’6” 160 lb. Size Medium). Everything that has been said about these garments is correct right down to the details. Thanks for the wealth of information provided on this channel.
I know this video is old, but somehow I recently got the idea I wanted a Ship John Wills Jacket. Then I truly realized all the hoops needed (once orders open). I'll stick with my Made in USA Waxed Canvas Filsons I bought as New Old Stock for a song and dance, or even my Patagonia Iron Forge Hemp Canvas Barn Coat (I know it's not waxed canvas or Made in USA). But damn it is sweet. I thought waiting a few months for my Nicks boots was pushing it, but at least you can pay and get your place in line (unlike Ship John). If you are the kind of person who will wait hours in line for "the most awesome ramen ever", then it seems this jacket might be for you. Let's talk in a couple of years when you (maybe) get it.
I was excited to see that the hat kinda found it’s intended target. I’ll pass on the jacket. I was born in Portland and love Oregon products. The ordering process is just way too convoluted. Have a great day Carl!
I feel the bottom to pockets being open convenient but doesn’t really help when raining. The inside pocket you mentioned is too shallow like you said. For someone like me I really need to be able to snap the sleeves a little bit tighter so I would need that feature. Thank you for doing this review.
They missed out on an opportunity to give an interview or even just give you a little more details on the jacket so because of that I'm going to pass not worth my time
@@CarlMurawski I ordered my V2 back in December and the estimated arrival time is around June of 2023. haha. Good thing I have a ton of really cool jackets to keep me company until then!
Another well-considered review. Thanks. “Slim fit” is not compatible with my life. My 10-year-old Filson Tin Cruiser hasn’t been worn more than a few dozen times, and it fits correctly. Even with a couple of fleeces or sweaters underneath.
Sadly being a cancer patient has made me realize the finer things in life like macanaw wool, whites boots, which I'm having a pair custom made right now. my question to you is how does that John will's jacket fit compared to the mackinac cruiser? Hope you'd receive this I know you're very busy thank you for your time
Im sorry you're going through this. The Wills fits much slimmer than the Mackinaw Cruiser. It's safe to bet that an XL in the Wills would be more like a Filson Large.
Thank you! I'm a 2 XL in the filson macanaw cruiser ( which I love! ) Did the measurements and you were spot on the ship John wills 3 XL is almost identical to the double XL. Went ahead and pulled the trigger. 2 1/2 year wait!!! Thanks again!
Might be moving up to Alaska in the next couple years, so I’ve been trying to research durable clothing that’s also responsibly sourced/created-ideally I’d love to get most of my gear secondhand. Thanks to your videos I’ll probably be getting a flint and tinder waxed jacket!
If you place an order for this jacket right now, Oct 2022, the earliest you can get it according to the website is May 2025. 2.5 YEARS!!! It’s a gorgeous jacket and I’d love to have one, but 2.5 months is a long time, let alone 2.5 years for a piece of clothing. More power to the guys who have that kind of patience/time.
First question, can you exchange your jacket for an XL? Secondly, I thought his IG post was very positive and informative (which I appreciate). Seems like a great jacket and one that I'd love to own but 1-2 years is out of the question for me personally. I'm more of an impulse buyer, lol. There are different ways to buy 'Made in USA'.
Unfortunately yes, with some products. Although they maintain that they'll always keep their core items (Mackinaw wool products and most bags) domestically produced.
Ship John makes great looking stuff, if only Mike had less of an ego. Hilarious he denies comment but then after you post this he goes on IG with all sorts of comments. Hopefully one day he figures out whatever it is that makes him so unhappy. Until then there’s better stuff made by better people out there.
Are you willing to review the Gustin waxed jacket? I can't find any on TH-cam, there are a couple on Reddit but most of those reviews are from 2015 and the reviews are based on the first version of the waxed jacket. As always, great videos.
Get them now, they're in stock. I ordered mine in December, they probably made a bunch and put extras in stock. I have the lined one but it had a fabric fold pop out unsewn on the back seam. The waxed cordura trucker had no flaws.
almost like this jacket fits a certain demographic in the portland/seattle area i have had several filson waxed coats and found them not even close to as useful as i wanted them to be this jacket sounds like more of the same nice but just for looks
One has to be a VERY particular type of city-dwelling ιdιοτ to believe that is “America’s greatest waxed jacket”: it is slim-fitting (which is contrary to the purpose of what sets itself out to be a “rugged work jacket”), its internal pocket runs too small (you definitely can’t comfortable fit a smartphone there), both chest pockets have flaps, so you can’t put something like a pen or earphones you need to quickly access there, there are no zipped pockets for when you need to ensure 100% protection from water to an item, the weight (in addition to the fit) limits your movements… And, on the aesthetic aspect, as acknowledged in this video, it is NOT a dressy or stylish jacket, it just looks lazy with those collars that won’t stand firm. Not to mention that the fact that it is unlined combined with how the material means it is not thoroughly washable means your own body oils and odour that will inevitably get into it will render it unusable ins civilised setting in 5 years or so. Awful, overpriced heavy trash.
Don't think I could spend 500 on a work jacket. Was gunna go with the filson u showed but that price and its always out of stock, plus now ita overseas? I'll pass. At least iron and resin is still cheaper
July 2024 delivery date. ummm… no. Obviously not for people who have a need for serious workwear. Feels more like for hipsters who have more money than sense. But hats off to Ship John for tapping a lucrative market.
I’m currently preordered for a May jacket. Quick question, any comment as to how the sizing of this compares to Iron Heart? I’m an XL in IH UHFs, L in this I assume?
Honestly kinda pissed I hadn't heard of these guys sooner as the other jacket on their website I was willing to buy..... but.... alas.... seems to be too late for that 😕
Disagree 100% this IS a functional work jacket moreso than most. 24oz waxed canvas is essentially made for welding and motorcycle riding without having to choose either. And blue collar workers actually do spend more for quality tools and equipment exam: White's and Nick's boots, certain expensive tool brands etc. I think you let the fact that he didn't want to chat with you affect your review. Anyone can see this jacket was born of motorcycle heritage and transitioned to shop wear as is also described on Ship John's website.
The ‘slim fit’ of ShipJohn products is a total dealbreaker. I tried a Patton shirt. It was ok, but the fit was just awful. Different strokes for different folks but this stuff just strikes me as hipster wear.
I've been on this brand for about 5 years now, won't give them a dime I'm afraid. The owner [Mike] has a HUGE chip on his shoulder. Can't support that.
Perfectly tailored for Portland soy boys who are “really into the craft beer scene” and have spent their life avoiding any kind of physical exertion. That deposit? It isn’t a deposit at all. It’s an interest-free business loan when you’re waiting for two years to receive your purchase. F that.
I love this comment: Firstly - it’s oat milk and not soy. Secondly - I’m glad poster won’t be buying this because I don’t want to be associated with macho-bro. It’s expensive because the employees are paid decently, something that is important to me. If SJ was only concerned about money they would have moved manufacturing overseas long ago. You may see the deposit as an interest free loan but In reality this funding method has been adopted by businesses long before SJ. Ever heard of Kickstarter? Time to enjoy my locally made craft beer coincidently brewed by a friend of mine. You should see his arms from lifting all that malt and barley!
Once upon a time I was going to buy a Filson bag, but the price kept me at bay. Now I definitely won't support those prices as they move their production to sweatshop labor! That info alone made this video worth clicking on!
I ended up emailing them and they say that the'll keep some items domestic, like their bags and mackinaw wool products. They cited "quality control" as the reason for moving production overseas.
@@CarlMurawski so what they are saying is that all their old and now redunant workers who worked hard for them over the years were in the end not appreciated and they felt they did sub par work.
I am not knocking Bangladesh products as actually, if they are made from the good quality materials then there is great skill in that country when it comes to clothing.
Many high end shirt makers in the eighties and nineties in the UK used to have quite a few more modestly priced shirts made there and I never had an issue with them.
No, Filsons answere is BS. The truth of the matter is obvious, more profit for the owners and shareholders and less expenses in employing American workers.
I would not mind if they were at least honest about it but I guess they would not sell many items if they were honest!
I wish honesty in these high end companies would come back. Its either marketing rubbish to up sell or poor excuses to cut costs.
@@CarlMurawski ...I'm honestly at a loss for words. How is shipping your production to another country, one that's known for exploiting workers and using children for labor, going to fix your "quality control" issues? Wow.
@@ianmedium I am also not knocking products created in other countries; many places create quality goods, and care about their workers and the environment. The problem is Bangladesh is not known to be one of those locales, because they regularly use sweatshops and child labor, so for me it's a hard pass. I do my best to shop local and second hand to try and avoid supporting businesses/countries that do horrible things to their workers and nature.
I agree with you - their excuse is a cop out to screw over American workers and consumers. And I'm willing to bet their prices won't drop.
Thanks for your virus signalling.
I’m definitely part of that 10% who bought the Will’s and work a blue collar job (coffee roaster) it took me about a year of owning the will’s to work up the courage to start wearing it at work and let me tell you it’s worth it. The way this jacket wears and breaks in is what really makes it worth the money. Im always getting complements by people who know the brand and people who don’t. I’ve even had strangers ask to buy it off me for the price I paid new. I’ve had the jacket for about 3 years now and it’s still solid as a rock with no problems and just keeps looking better the more I wear it and get it dirty.
I definitely got a lot of comments and inquiries about the jacket. Personally I found it too hot for the work I was doing and ended up selling for $800 after a year of hard use…
Did you get the longer version or the regular?
Thank you for saying this. At 24oz it's made to break-in and loosen up with use. It reminds me of old fire hoses I used on MFD. Same as Nick's and White's boots, blue collar workers will spend more for quality pieces and tools.
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Love my Will’s jacket and I have quite a few Ship John things. Definitely not for everyone but nothing out there is meant to be. Like leather jackets it looks cooler with time and working in it helps that along. Carhartt jackets I’ve owned fall apart at the cuffs and sleeves and so far this jacket is still going strong after 2 years. They revamped their ordering process too, still not the easiest to get but they are a very small shop. Ship John also partners with some other cool companies like Wesco, Dehen, and Langlitz to make some badass stuff. I could be their spokesperson 😂 needless to say I do love me some Ship John.
Ive seen their Dehen collaborations and they look awesome!
Me too!
Been waiting to hear your views on this jacket. And it was pretty much what I was expecting. I fall into the category of who you thought might be the right customer for this jacket. I don't do construction work but I run construction work so it suits my needs. It's definitely built like a tank but comfortable it isn't. I've had mine for three years and it never really does break in. It's definitely not a jacket that I look forward to putting on. Especially when the jacket is cold. It's extremely stiff and definitely needs a liner which is something they've corrected. Your review was spot on.
I'd recommend trying out the Tin Duck Denim Trucker Jacket. New and small company, significantly cheaper than Filson and Shipjohn and 4-5 week wait times. Every bit as tough and heavy as the Wills jacket material wise, but with an actual working cut. It's been great for logging, just slow break in.
I just looked up Tin Duck Denim, I really like their chore coat and pants. I’m gonna order. Why is there not any reviews on TH-cam yet?
@chrisdodson9011 really small company, very new. The guy worked with ship cloth and is venturing into clothing after Filson began outsourcing to fill the gap in the Pacific Northwest. I enjoy the work cut of it, but I really have no complaints. Possibly, the zipper could extend an inch or two further on the Trucker Jacket, but that's about it. I work in timber and as an outfitter. I haven't put miles on it for a full review as it's only been a couple of months, but I'm really enjoying it so far. It's what I wanted for a work jacket at a great price point, so I'm content. I'd recommend reaching out to Jason through the email on his website if you have questions. Great guy, he even took my custom measurements into account. I hope this helps out some.
I’m late to the party on this but I am really liking what I see from this company. The 24oz is a huge selling point too. I was curious about the sizing and fit for you to better help me gauge when I buy.
@jasonkynge724 I ended up going for a custom size because I have odd dimensions, but the jackets run a bit large. I'm 6'4" with a 58" chest so I got a 3xl in the upper and a 2xl at the waist with some added sleeve length. Overall, the jacket has been running strong through work and it's been great. You'll want to keep up with the wax if you tend to scratch it a lot, but no complaints. It's a work fit for sure.
Love mine so much I signed up for a V2 too. Also have a Hopkins jacket from them, and they all blow Filson completely out of the water on quality. Ship John is quality, quality, quality.
As always a terrific review. The ordering process is beyond terrible. You need to schedule your day around a specific time and find a high speed internet connection, which in Alaska is nearly impossible. Reminds me more of calling in to get a promotion at a radio station then ordering clothes. If you somehow get over that hurdle you have the privilege of providing shipjohn with an interest free loan for a year. It’s too bad that the process detracts from otherwise a good product.
It’s over priced. Which is magnified by the absolutely ridiculous ordering rigmarole. The cut on all the Ship John products is bizarre to say the least. All of the sleeves look too slim, the chest pockets too small, and the legs on the jeans look like you couldn’t fit a strand of spaghetti down them.
I've been to the store a few times. Literally was the only person of color because Portland is not a diverse major city and dude I got so many damn stares and on top of that no one cared to greet me or say anything to me. Fuckin woke Portland people who pretend to be all about inclusivity.
Pre-ordered my Wills jacket in December, but won’t receive until July 2023 so there is definitely a long wait. Hopefully I love the jacket as much as I want to. Appreciate the honest review as always, I look forward to watching your videos every Sunday.
The sad thing about the pre order is we're never promised tomorrow and the ship John dude isn't promised tomorrow too, so where would your money go then if something happened to either of you?
Entertaining as always and a spot on review of this jacket! I’m anxiously awaiting a Dehen/Ship John black waxed jacket collab that was pre order back in November. Should be ready to ship in the next week or two 🤞
Was literally just on your page wondering when the next Carl Murawski video would be out. It’s a good day!!
Hahaha thank you! I try to stick to Sundays at noon for a release schedule, unless its a good fishing day or something.
I just got my V2 Wills jacket from Ship John. I’m glad they’ve added a lining to the jacket. The jacket is incredible. 🔥💯
Ty for the video. I'm a thin lad and tow trailers across the yard in sporadic thunderstorms in a fly over state. This will do finely as other yard drivers fuck off in cheap rain gear.
I love his stuff seems to be built around the slim guy when most products look like I'm wearing a bathtub because everything just runs so big so it's a breath of fresh air
For me Barbour make the best wax jackets. They’re quite reasonably priced too.
Thanks for the review. Keep up the good work! 🇨🇦
Thanks, will do!
Murawski, it's a good job I live in Scotland else I'd..! Just kidding bud, I love my Flint and Tinder lined wax jacket, my Tanuki Redcast denim jacket and jeans, my Darn Tough socks, my Taylor Stitch pocket T's, etc. All of which I bought upon your recommendation and may never have, had I not trusted your judgement. You've not let me down yet and I'm thankful for introducing each item into my wardrobe. This jacket looks good, the quality seems very high but I thought it looked a bit tight on you and even though I'm personally more lean, I can't see myself wearing this jacket much at all. I wonder how much you'll wear it over the course of a year? Not much, I'd think. Going out, I'd imagine you'd prefer a good leather jacket too. But you can update us all on that. Cheers wee man.
I live a couple blocks from Ship Johns, gonna go check it out soon.
I was just getting ready to order mine for a Jan 2025 delivery and came across a few threads about sizing that concerned me. Some saying it tends to run large and some saying it runs small. I am about 5'10" 175, and thought that a medium would fit, thinking it would be a little on the roomy side so I can layer. My Barbour's seem true to size, I get mediums and they fit great, but with the Barbour International, even the medium is snug and wouldn't allow for even layering over a thin hoodie, let alone my fleece 1/4 zip.
I discovered you today, and I feel that this is a great and well made channel. Well done!
Love your reviews Carl
My son he going to school to be an electrician here in ct and he watches a lot of your videos with me
Just preordered my Wills not to long ago , but won’t be here till next year
Thanks Carl
Awesome!!! Maybe I’ll see him out on a job soon!
Great and honest review, as always 👏
Ship John are good folks and it's definitely worth a visit if anyone is in Portland. I personally am too fat for the brand and too poor to be honest. But I did grab the Ship John stormy kromer cap they made. Love that company regardless.
They're assholes
Wore my Wills for over a year, in and out of the work environment and decided to sell it. It’s definitely for the slimmer body type with a more fashion forward cut. The jacket is superbly made and very heavy but ultimately it was too hot, unlined and it got swampy in it. It’s a shame that Mike didn’t want to talk to you but then cowardly made a response post on IG about your review. The longer I follow their page, the less I like the face of the company, he’s petty and very opinionated at times, and the sad response instead of an interview is a testament to that.
The owner and his crew are definitely assholes. Bunch of privileged pronoun loving portlanders who didn't give a shit to greet or say anything to me when I visited the store, maybe it was because I'm a person of color? Maybe not, but Portland is supposed to be all about inclusivity and I haven't experienced any of it because all you see are white people who are scared of people of color lol
Serious question: Back in the 1980s, Australian waxed longcoats were the rage. Everyone looked like they were riding horses in the rain. Those waxed coats smelled like 40 year old canvas tents. The smell was awful and never went away. That smell transfered to whatever you were wearing under the coat. Do today's waxed jackets have that strong mildewed canvas odor? Thanks.
Great Question. Can't wait to hear answers
I have heard with the waxed canvas stuff that putting the coat in a drawer or chest with cedar with dryer sheets put into the sleeves and pockets will help with this issue. I have no experience doing this just passing on the hearsay.
Mothballs may also help but then you are replacing one smell for another one and you might find that worse.
Some waxed jackets smell like old crayons, but this particular jacket has no odor after a year of use.
I have a dryzabone for work and I keep it in my trailer because the smell is unbearable in the Ute .
Those were likely oil skin jackets
I can't comment on this jacket, but I have a waxed 4-pocket motorcycle jacket from Walker and Hawkes that doesn't smell.
Ok, so you sold me. I just ordered one. Delivery… summer of 2024. Hope i am still alive by then…
Received today!
Just got my Tin duck trucker jacket and I would be it up against any of them
4 to 6 week delivery
Great service
Great jacket
Heavy
Get busy breaking it in
Thanks
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I would really like to have a Wills. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the timeline to get one 😞. So… I decided to go with the Flint & Tinder trucker waxed jacket. It should be arriving any day now along with a 10 year hoodie! 😃😃
My jacket and hoodie arrived today. I couldn’t be happier with them. The fit is spot on (5’6” 160 lb. Size Medium). Everything that has been said about these garments is correct right down to the details. Thanks for the wealth of information provided on this channel.
I know this video is old, but somehow I recently got the idea I wanted a Ship John Wills Jacket. Then I truly realized all the hoops needed (once orders open).
I'll stick with my Made in USA Waxed Canvas Filsons I bought as New Old Stock for a song and dance, or even my Patagonia Iron Forge Hemp Canvas Barn Coat (I know it's not waxed canvas or Made in USA). But damn it is sweet.
I thought waiting a few months for my Nicks boots was pushing it, but at least you can pay and get your place in line (unlike Ship John).
If you are the kind of person who will wait hours in line for "the most awesome ramen ever", then it seems this jacket might be for you. Let's talk in a couple of years when you (maybe) get it.
depends on the pocket but i like to tuck the flap in the pocket for pens and quick access, worth a shot
Always excited when I see a new vid, and congrats on 100k! Just noticed
Thank you! Big milestone for me!
Another grail piece I have no chance of getting. Thanks Carl.
I was excited to see that the hat kinda found it’s intended target. I’ll pass on the jacket. I was born in Portland and love Oregon products. The ordering process is just way too convoluted. Have a great day Carl!
You too bro! I finally nailed that hat toss
I feel the bottom to pockets being open convenient but doesn’t really help when raining. The inside pocket you mentioned is too shallow like you said. For someone like me I really need to be able to snap the sleeves a little bit tighter so I would need that feature. Thank you for doing this review.
They missed out on an opportunity to give an interview or even just give you a little more details on the jacket so because of that I'm going to pass not worth my time
I appreciate the support, though to be fair some people are just shy. I hope this was the case with Mike.
@@CarlMurawski cj cook had an interview and visit with ship john in the last year.
Just ordered one today! July 2024 is going to be a long wait but hopefully well worth it
Me too, man. 2 years… What are we thinking??
I just got my V2 Wills a few days ago from the first run. It’s incredible. I had been trying to get one for a few years. Definitely worth it!
The Riders Jacket by Freenote >
Those dudes are on a whole different level.
No doubt! Freenote Cloth is fantastic from cover to cover.
Well Carl another great video! I am now done with Filson!
Hey hey! You got the hat toss!
Kinda! I say it counts!
if you have the patience of a saint. Now the production time is 2-3 years lol
Holy moly really????
@@CarlMurawski I ordered my V2 back in December and the estimated arrival time is around June of 2023. haha. Good thing I have a ton of really cool jackets to keep me company until then!
Another well-considered review. Thanks. “Slim fit” is not compatible with my life. My 10-year-old Filson Tin Cruiser hasn’t been worn more than a few dozen times, and it fits correctly. Even with a couple of fleeces or sweaters underneath.
Sadly being a cancer patient has made me realize the finer things in life like macanaw wool, whites boots, which I'm having a pair custom made right now. my question to you is how does that John will's jacket fit compared to the mackinac cruiser? Hope you'd receive this I know you're very busy thank you for your time
Im sorry you're going through this. The Wills fits much slimmer than the Mackinaw Cruiser. It's safe to bet that an XL in the Wills would be more like a Filson Large.
Thank you! I'm a 2 XL in the filson macanaw cruiser ( which I love! ) Did the measurements and you were spot on the ship John wills 3 XL is almost identical to the double XL. Went ahead and pulled the trigger. 2 1/2 year wait!!! Thanks again!
Pricing currently sitting at $598, with books closed until further notice, and delivery dates _starting_ in January 2026. Wow.
You gotta try the sidnaw company jacket/vest. (Formerly know as mercy supply)
Might be moving up to Alaska in the next couple years, so I’ve been trying to research durable clothing that’s also responsibly sourced/created-ideally I’d love to get most of my gear secondhand.
Thanks to your videos I’ll probably be getting a flint and tinder waxed jacket!
If you place an order for this jacket right now, Oct 2022, the earliest you can get it according to the website is May 2025. 2.5 YEARS!!! It’s a gorgeous jacket and I’d love to have one, but 2.5 months is a long time, let alone 2.5 years for a piece of clothing. More power to the guys who have that kind of patience/time.
That’s some BS
Could we get a review of some Red Clouds Collective wear? Love the reviews 🤟🇺🇸
maybe not what your looking for but I bought the kids jacket for my son and the built quality is amazing!
Definitely in the plans for 2022!
First question, can you exchange your jacket for an XL? Secondly, I thought his IG post was very positive and informative (which I appreciate). Seems like a great jacket and one that I'd love to own but 1-2 years is out of the question for me personally. I'm more of an impulse buyer, lol. There are different ways to buy 'Made in USA'.
There's no exchanges...they're made to order. I've got an order in for a size L with an April 2024(!!) delivery. Hopefully it fits haha.
Glad I ordered mine before this video dropped. Only 18 more months to wait 😂
So FILSON is moving production from Seattle to Bangladesh? Whoa... Now American heritage seems a tough product description if true
Unfortunately yes, with some products. Although they maintain that they'll always keep their core items (Mackinaw wool products and most bags) domestically produced.
A 2 year wait for a jacket is a little excessive
I agree, its a damned long time to wait for anything.
Ship John makes great looking stuff, if only Mike had less of an ego. Hilarious he denies comment but then after you post this he goes on IG with all sorts of comments. Hopefully one day he figures out whatever it is that makes him so unhappy. Until then there’s better stuff made by better people out there.
My neighbor has met mike and yeah, she definitely got an arrogant vibe immediately. The man takes himself very seriously.
Carl how about a review on denim jackets which is the best and most comfortable.
dang I'm never this early
Well I'm glad to meet you here!
Are you willing to review the Gustin waxed jacket? I can't find any on TH-cam, there are a couple on Reddit but most of those reviews are from 2015 and the reviews are based on the first version of the waxed jacket.
As always, great videos.
Absolutely! Gustin is a fantastic brand if you can get past the wait time.
I bought the Gustin waxed trucker jacket and its a good looking well made jacket for the money,but fits seriously small so beware
Did you get lined version, if so, was the lining thick or thin?@@Poolrule
@@pelv3027 I got the flannel lined version in XXL thinking it should fit easily but it fitted really small and very short
Get them now, they're in stock. I ordered mine in December, they probably made a bunch and put extras in stock. I have the lined one but it had a fabric fold pop out unsewn on the back seam. The waxed cordura trucker had no flaws.
Carl , what did ya use in this video to put cinch the wills collar down ?? I need some.
Great vid and info man! I'm currently waiting on mine and am still on the fence about size though. You mind if I ask how tall you are?
almost like this jacket fits a certain demographic in the portland/seattle area i have had several filson waxed coats and found them not even close to as useful as i wanted them to be this jacket sounds like more of the same nice but just for looks
really like it, it looks fantastic.... unfortunately i've got jackets that are cheaper, more useful, and.... don't know, i really like this jacket
Fair enough! Its a handsome little bugger for sure.
Well done on hanging your hat.
Can you elaborate on the “sticky things that hold your collar down”? I might need 1 or 10 pairs of those.
Hahaha these are called the “Fashion Anchor” and they’re great for most light duty stuff. They didn’t hold this collar down very long 😕
"Why didn't I visit this store when I was living in Portland"
Checks price. Checks lead time.
"Yep. Nevermind, glad I didn't visit"
Super interesting brand. Any thoughts on American giant? Keep up the great work!
I really dig American Giant, their hoodie is fantastic and the tees are great too!
One has to be a VERY particular type of city-dwelling ιdιοτ to believe that is “America’s greatest waxed jacket”: it is slim-fitting (which is contrary to the purpose of what sets itself out to be a “rugged work jacket”), its internal pocket runs too small (you definitely can’t comfortable fit a smartphone there), both chest pockets have flaps, so you can’t put something like a pen or earphones you need to quickly access there, there are no zipped pockets for when you need to ensure 100% protection from water to an item, the weight (in addition to the fit) limits your movements… And, on the aesthetic aspect, as acknowledged in this video, it is NOT a dressy or stylish jacket, it just looks lazy with those collars that won’t stand firm. Not to mention that the fact that it is unlined combined with how the material means it is not thoroughly washable means your own body oils and odour that will inevitably get into it will render it unusable ins civilised setting in 5 years or so. Awful, overpriced heavy trash.
Don't think I could spend 500 on a work jacket. Was gunna go with the filson u showed but that price and its always out of stock, plus now ita overseas? I'll pass. At least iron and resin is still cheaper
0:55 but why though? Why would he refuse free publicity?
If a product is that hard to get, forget it.
Try Fjällräven
Not sponsored. It's trekking/outdoor orientated.
What do u hear about the filson tinder cloth lined jacket? I am considering one of those.
July 2024 delivery date. ummm… no. Obviously not for people who have a need for serious workwear. Feels more like for hipsters who have more money than sense. But hats off to Ship John for tapping a lucrative market.
Hot take: Carl put out this video just to show off what a beefcake he is
7:53 - but we won’t really know if it fits us right, until we’ve gambled on a $250 non-refundable deposit. If we get it wrong, we’re fucked.
Buyer’s remorse?
Hipster jacket. Like you said no blue coral workingman would use this jacket at work. Still a great jacket tho.
What hat were you wearing in the sprinkler?
I’m currently preordered for a May jacket. Quick question, any comment as to how the sizing of this compares to Iron Heart? I’m an XL in IH UHFs, L in this I assume?
I would size up. I'm a xl and mine came in and it fits right. I should have bought a XXL. Ohh well can't return it.
I won't deal with small companies that are so liberal they don't take interviews.
Without a FR Class2 rating that is just a dress up jacket not a work jacket.
Hi guys. Love this jacket but the waitlist is like a rolex daytona from the AD. Can you recomend som alternative jackets in the same fabric and style?
Its going to be tricky to find the EXACT same style but the Trucker model from Tinduckdenim is probably the closest I've seen.
@@CarlMurawski thanx👍🏻
Looks great but 2.5 year wait? Really? That worse than waiting on a tax stamp lol.
Their jacket is ok, the customer service is terrible, you have to beg them to sell you products
2 year current wait time after placing the down payment. How long did it take you?
It was probably a good nine or ten months between order and delivery
@@CarlMurawski do you remember the time they quoted you for delivery. Was it two years?
Was going to order a pair of jeans from them and perhaps a cap too until I read the “Crew” section where they tell the reader their pronouns…
Yeah, that was a big turn off for a lot of people.
@@CarlMurawski Keep up the good work, God bless!
DRIZABONE , ENUFF SAID.
I still don’t get Ship John 😂
Honestly kinda pissed I hadn't heard of these guys sooner as the other jacket on their website I was willing to buy..... but.... alas.... seems to be too late for that 😕
Well, looks like everyones going into the March 2024 Group.
Man, Mackinaw Cruiser seems to be the last great jackets from Filson. Sad times.
I agree. Hopefully they keep that domestic.
Disagree 100% this IS a functional work jacket moreso than most. 24oz waxed canvas is essentially made for welding and motorcycle riding without having to choose either.
And blue collar workers actually do spend more for quality tools and equipment exam: White's and Nick's boots, certain expensive tool brands etc.
I think you let the fact that he didn't want to chat with you affect your review. Anyone can see this jacket was born of motorcycle heritage and transitioned to shop wear as is also described on Ship John's website.
Not this jacket lol its fuckin slim fit. I'm a skinny guy and have to buy a damn large in this jacket while I wear smalls in filson
The ‘slim fit’ of ShipJohn products is a total dealbreaker. I tried a Patton shirt. It was ok, but the fit was just awful. Different strokes for different folks but this stuff just strikes me as hipster wear.
Decent jacket, but rogue territory easily makes the best waxed jackets. Period
I've been on this brand for about 5 years now, won't give them a dime I'm afraid. The owner [Mike] has a HUGE chip on his shoulder. Can't support that.
Don't like Ship John, it is too much hipster for me, and it doesn't look good at all. I like the freenote cloth riders jacket much better..
For $598 you can buy a lifetime of cheaper waxed jackets.
The orders on this are out to 2025.
old - link is DEAD
Maybe size up next time eh?
Perfectly tailored for Portland soy boys who are “really into the craft beer scene” and have spent their life avoiding any kind of physical exertion.
That deposit? It isn’t a deposit at all. It’s an interest-free business loan when you’re waiting for two years to receive your purchase. F that.
I love this comment: Firstly - it’s oat milk and not soy. Secondly - I’m glad poster won’t be buying this because I don’t want to be associated with macho-bro. It’s expensive because the employees are paid decently, something that is important to me. If SJ was only concerned about money they would have moved manufacturing overseas long ago. You may see the deposit as an interest free loan but In reality this funding method has been adopted by businesses long before SJ. Ever heard of Kickstarter?
Time to enjoy my locally made craft beer coincidently brewed by a friend of mine. You should see his arms from lifting all that malt and barley!
I feel like it’s pretty overrated, and priced in my opinion.
Ship John is a joke. Looked at their website say 2025 🤣. No chance I will ever buy one