I agree that Nahida’s versatility is slowly diminishing with the focus shifting off Dendro, and burning teams not caring for her at all. Her flaws have also become more highlighted with the release of units who powercreep in the QOL and practicality department, as you mentioned. But the thing with Nahida’s pull value that she has over all the other top tier units (Kazuha, Furina, Xilonen) is that she’s also essentially a full time carry. No other unit has such a high supportive/off field profile, while also single-handedly serving as one of your abyss teams (hyperbloom, to be exact). The other top units are great at supporting, but they need to support a good 5* carry to begin with. Obviously, you should have good carries anyway, but Nahida’s consolidation in being the premium dendro team staple (outside of burning) while also being able to delegate herself to a complete hyperbloom team keeps her up there not in terms of strength, but in value.
@@kale1287 yeah we don't talk often about hyperboom because people are bored of it. But it's still extremely strong and can get past almost any content.
Nahida's strength cannot be overstated. My Nahida is at 1000 EM and I always use her in my Quicken and Aggravate teams, especially on my Clorinde. Clorinde on TF means even in multi wave content, you can switch to back to Nahida (and whatever other off field dps/support units you have) to refresh their abilities, then back to Clorinde and her skill is ready to go again. Enemy not dead yet? Just use another Clorinde skill again immediately after with almost no CD. It's so smooth!
Right now her value has dropped because shes not used in many of the highest dps teams. Has nothing to do with her since she has a very good kit but she needs a new carry or something else that will work in a Nahida team and then her value will go up again. The most recent character is used with her is Clorinde where you can use Nahida in a aggravate team which is very good but you can get similar results playing Clorinde overload so again shes not needed there either. She really hasn’t changed much since 3.X her other teams are still the same and she hasn’t got any buff where other characters have gotten new teammates which results in buffs
the fact that nahida unlocks the hyperbloom core , for f2p players and hyperbloom is considered most easy to build gives her more pull value in a f2p starter account for me . xilonen is a great buffer and healer but still she cannot create a team core . so for me if ur a f2p and dont have that many characters at all just go for hyperbloom if u have layed for a long time i would perfer xilonen because you already have team cores to start with .
Genshin players: get yelan she is basically a second xinqui Also genshin players: if you have kazuha you don't need xilonen why the f would you need a second kazuha. XD
Im gonna go with what TGS said last video with a kazhua xilonen nevuillete furina team. The hydro pump gonna go soo hard hoyo would have to nerf him again
Your opinions are true for veterans, and old players. But i respectfully disagree for new players. Because someone without nahida is missing out on a lot. Xilonen buffs elemental dps teams, and these elemental dps’s are so hard to build, especially for f2p casuals, cause of artifact rng and lack of craftable 4star weapons. Plus almost all such characters need a sub dps, like hutao+yelan, and still can be powercrept easily, like arle did. But nahida does something else. She is the best character for bloom reactions, which are extremely powerful, and so much so, that it cant be powercrept, so hoyo releasing new dendro units that dont compete in bloom, but target entirely different reaction of burning instead. For casuals, nahida team is so easy to build, including artifacts rng, as cr cd not needed, great 4 star team options like xinque etc, and bloom reactions are easy abyss clears. In short, xilonen buffs a dps, without dps, she is shit, and dps keeps getting powercrept, but nahida dont need dps, as bloom like reactions dont need dps. If you cant clear abyss, and dont have nahida, you are missing on a lot. Such players please pick nahida and save your account. Otherwise if abyss you can clear, and dont need bloom team, you can pick xilonen, but remember that you need to keep pulling best dps’s, as xilonen’s value greatly depend on it
actually fully agree. my first 36 stars as a fresh player was carried by nahida hyperbloom with a early kuki pull. bloom teams of any sort barely need crazy artifacts, as soon as you got your main EM rolls, you're gtg. now she is my staple dendro unit for aggravate with my higher cv electro characters. Like she is just all around high power at any stage of the game.
You seem to be too obsessed with Meta in a single player game. Anyways, we are currently in Natlan, it is much better to just pull for new Natlan units bcs the future units will synergize best with other Natlan units. Much better than going for Nahida and Alhaitham in the big 2024. New players should just focus on new Characters and completely ignore previous releases, there's a whole new region being released atm and u want a new player to miss out on all the hype and new unique characters so they can build Hyperbloom team in 2024 and potentially have to wait a whole year before getting Alhaitham to make their team better?
Who even plays the game without DPS? you are focusing too much on character-building and stuff. The fact that there is Dendro MC really shows you aren't missing that much if you don't have Nahida. There are times where I prefer Dendro MC for my Nilou bloom, which is multi-wave combat and I don't have to swap to Nahida every wave. Dendro works only with specific elements, so choosing "specific" character over Xilonen who is more versatile and flexible just because it's too hard to build a DPS is really dumb. I get it if you like Nahida more but your reasoning is just a bad one.
I think you got it the other way around Since we're talking about "the 2nd coming of Kazuha" here, isn't it more like "The DPSs will need her to get to their highest potential"? Ever since 1.6, Kazuha has always been part of the best teams of 90% of the DPSs out there that can be swirled. He's just that good that if there's a new AND old DPS with a swirlable element, you can slot him in and that DPS in question will magically get stronger. So in that sense, isn't she more "future proof" as you'll inevitably get another DPS in the future/even the older DPSs can compete solely bcs of Xilonen's buffs/synergy with Furina. And what if you have Kazuha? Then you can slot her in on the 2nd half ez. You can even use them both if the requirements permit. I'll still give credit to Nahida tho, she's still the face of Dendro and it's hard for that to change. So pretty much just bite the bullet and either: - A: Wait for months til Xilonen rerun - B: Wait for months til Nahida rerun - C: Be a chad and get them both I'll say tho, if you're a new player and you have a Hy/Py/Cr/El carry that doesn't depend on Dendro and you REALLY love playing, then Xilonen is a better pull.
I'M SO MAD that chiori came back on xilonen's banner. I wanted her and missed her, and now she's running at the same time as the other character i've wanted so bad
Will definitely try pulling Xilonen and Nahida. I would try going for Zhongli, but tbh I need a strong wind dps for Imaginarium Threatre, so hopefully Chasca in the future could fulfil that role.
yes but Genshin can always make old character comeback, like Chiori is only need strong Geo DPS in Mono Geo to replace Itto, and she will become more useful her position is like Emilie in burning focus team, but maybe take a long time to get new Geo DPS
Nahida is irreplaceable on a bunch of Dendro teams, where the team would just stop working without her. Xilonen (and Kazuha by extension) aren't as irreplaceable. If I replace them in a Neuvillete/Arlecchino/Quicken team, I can still have a fully functional team that's still good enough.
Today there are functional dendro teams without Nahida, the damage of the team is reduced, but they still work the same as what happens with Kazuha and Xilonen in their teams
Pulling C0R1 Chiori because she’s hot. I think that’s pretty good reason to do so. Both weapons are pretty good for her too which is a win. Hope I win lol.
I love Chiori but she really need an actual team. Sorry, but she is basicly bogged down by Itto being mid. She need an actual good geo dps who create or synergise with constructs.
chiori was just a quick bait for the people who pulled navia because they knew people will pull for xilonen anyway in the future. This way they made navia mains pull for 2 units(or even 3 if you went for chiori C1) instead of 1 because they knew zhongli and albedo are garbage enough to make navia mains desperate for an alternative. And then they made chiori unable to work with xilonen. 500IQ scam. They don't care about chiori anymore unfortunately, she has served her purpose.
@@jijidu69 Funnily enough, i predicted that they will release geo healer after chiori(not like it wasn't obvious), and i still pulled for her. Mihoyo trying to teach us patience with their elaborate scams.
@@roshantanveer8107 because I have all characters I like that are currently released and not that many upcoming I think look cool + having a C6 as F2P just seems fun haha
as a chiori fan i really thought mihoyo would cook something up with her later down the line since she has pretty strict restrictions. But with xilonen's kit they basically went in completely other direction. oh well, you win some you lose some i guess
Bro u forgot how quickly Nahida & kazuha break elemental shield which is most important for many players.. i spend almost 1yr without dendro unit ... I know how hard it is to defeat enemies protected with elemental shield in abyss.. and Nahida is one who solved this issue as well kazuha!
Some of the 4* character can deal with elemental shield too esp. with the right element. So, I wouldn't recommend players to pull just for dealing with elemental shield. * I know Nahida and Kazuha has many more things going for them but elemental shield isn't a big thing that you have to pull a certain 5* to deal with it.
@@cardnacn6704 and tell me which 4 star is that 😂.... Keep sucrose in corner then think.... Do you imagine those fkkg hydro & elecro slims, hydro tulpa, electro lawachurl, cryo & electro Abyss mage, abyss lectors, cryo gunner fatui, cryo cicin mage, Algorithm of Semi-Intransient Matrix, Millennial Pearl Seahorse, .. Now keep your knowledge in your pocket... And chill!
Nahida is still must pull character in the entire game .... Just forget finding her alternatives... People can also clear abyss with 4 stars... But at which cost of torture mind?
Definitely gonna pull Xilonen for my Navia team since she provides everything I need in a second Geo character being heals, buffs and res-shredding. Combined with the added bonus of overworld movement, I can't reasonably justify rolling for any of the other upcoming 5-stars over her.
Mostly agree, however expecting similar support capability to Furina from any unit that came before her is kinda dumb. Every archon defined the meta when they came out and with the whole nightsoul blessing mechanic Mavuika is most likely to be as much of game changer as Furina when she comes out.
@@Ventithegoatvent1_22 Kazuha is like one of the best character in the game. Being seen as another Kazuha but that can work with geo, is a great honor.
The best part of the banners you didn’t mention was the weapon banner, both Chiori’s Signature and Xilonen’s Signature are great weapons while Chiori Signature is arguably the best for DPS Xilonen.
It is _so_ hard not to use this guarantee on Kinich (especially since I still need two more Chevreuse, despite so many excessive Saras and Thomas), but the succinct showcase of Xilonen's utility relative to Kazuha's swirls has set me to wait for the rerun on Kinich (and Emilie). Here's hoping Chevreuse is thrown onto Mavuika's banner~
For new players: - Prio Nahida AND/OR Xilonen (Xilonen might rerun much sooner so maybe getting Nahida first is a better option BUT, if you don't plan on centralizing on Dendro teams/have characters that get a HUGE upgrade with Xilonen/don't have Kazuha yet then it really is just up to you) Veterans: - What are you even doing, ofc pull Xilonen (imagine playing the game for 2+ yrs without pulling Nahida)
veteran should skip Xilonen and focus on more promising Mavuika, Xilonen is such a small upgrade and sometimes not even one for already existing team, not worth the primogems
This is one of the only banner runs where I don’t have a single character, but I’ve been waiting for xilonen since the teaser. 30k primos saved for her and mavuika😂🙏 good luck to everyone whose pulling.
I'll try pulling for her. If I win the 50/50, good, I'll have to work harder in preparation of what is potentially coming in 5.3. If I lose it, I'll keep that guarantee for 5.3 and then try to get Xilonen in her first rerun. I already have the other three units and seeing as Xilonen is a desirable unit who won't fall into an obscure niche *cofcofShenhecof* I hope I won't have to wait for her more than a year.
imo, chiori is a better pull than hu tao if you already have newer on field units (hu tao is great otherwise) He sort of dismisses it, but his calc for the c1 chiori/xilo core 4:21 outdamages every other comp covered in his arlecchino guide by a pretty decent margin (next highest is ~72.7k dps). So I imagine that even at c0, this core isn't far behind other best teams. Plus, it can be tacked on to many other PHEC teams with similarly great results (neuvi, hu tao, wrio, cyno, etc).
At c0 Chiori, it's pretty optional though. The thing with these limited sub-dps units like Emilie and Chiori is that they're investment hungry to feel like they're keeping pace with the rest of your account. If your Arlecchino or Neuvilette is c1/r1/etc, then you'd be better off adding another buffer instead of adding new sources of damage (unless you're also planning on pulling constellations or a signature weapon for Chiori/Emilie and you're willing to farm for good artifacts for them). It's great if you love the sub-dps character because you can get a lot of value from giving them attention/investment, but it makes it hard to recommend them to someone who isn't already interested in them from either a design/personality or gameplay perspective. If I know someone who loves Mualani or Kinich and wants the absolute best supports to buff THEIR damage, then I'd recommend a Furina with c1 over an Emilie that won't buff the character they care about.
@@sealyaggington7488 yup, completely agree. Versitile supports will almost always be a better pull. I just wanted to clarify because I feel like people who would potentially like her have been convinced that she's no good or a downgrade across the board. If you like her and do spend time building her, she is a very strong option (and fairly flexible dmg source when paired with xilo or zhongli), but yeah, it'll definitely be more work than throwing a c0 support with some wack artifacts on the team.
@@Gengchen82 Pantalone maybe because he is from liyue and geo makes sense also pierro mostl likely has abyss element like dainsleif because he is khaenrian and it wont make sense for him to have a teyvat element
Then to save your money i recommend getting nahdia. Because hoyo likes to rerun new characters who sold well in the same version (remember nevuillete and furina having 2 banners last version), while old archons only get run once per version and considering nahida had 3 banners already, im sure she's not gonna have a 5th one after this soon so u gonna be w8 for her for a long while if you skip her now. And im sure xilonen would be selling like hot cakes cus the meta potential + only new character this patch so a rerun is quite likely this banner
nahida is the better choice. as an f2p i pulled her by accident during her debut banner (not knowing she was a dendro staple and a top 3 unit) and she carried my team of mediocre 4 stars and a venti throughout all of genshin. your life will improve immensely if you have her
I sucks to see Nahida not being as needed as before but it's true, her buffs aren't that big and the fact that her skill must be recast every new wave really hurts her team composition nowadays Xilonen is a godsend because kazuha is getting pretty boring after so long. People saying saying she's just another kazuha, we'll isn't that great? Now you have one for each team in abyss
I feel like nahida has been a bit underrated here her personal dmg in quicken teams is v good and i would argue shes a must pull in quickbloom, hyperbloom and ur standard burgeon teams pre kinich, agree w the rest tho
The hype for Xilonen is real and I would like to pull for her she is an amazing support but, I think that I will be pulling for Chiori instead, I really need crystal shards for Navia her burst is not enough to charge her elemental skill faster and moreover I dont use elemental reaction teams, my teams consist on doble anemo Wandere/Faruzan and doble Geo with Navia, that geo elemental shred is nothing compared to having the stacks of her elemental skill full all the time. So I think that at least Chiori c1 is best companion for Navia instead of Xilonen.
You just made a good point i didnt see anyone state before. Like is her geo offield application enough to make crystalize shards for navia or not? Im used to running navia with zhongli (and now the new 4* cus the new set gives a better buff) and they both are decent enough to make enough crystalize for her. But if xilonen doesnt do the same then that fact alone makes her quite a bad matchup for navia. Praying that this isnt the case but thanks again for pointing this question out.
It would be really interesting to see your thoughts on jamie's video basically calling Xilonen only decent and not an actual upgrade over Kazuha in basically any team and also not being an upgrade for Neuv without C1 Neuv.
Jamie’s thoughts seem to be more centered around our current roster/meta at the time he makes his videos. TGS always keeps in mind potential value, so his thoughts will differ. It’s pretty easy to tell that Xilonen’s value will only rise when we see more Natlan units release. Both are valid thought processes in my opinion though.
Math shows that she is definitly an increase an increase for c1 Neuv, I don't know why he is straight up lying. But Neuv best team used Zhongli and she is better in every ways damage wise if you don't need the shield. Jamie doesn't follow leaks and made big mistakes about her kit.
Pulling Xilonen since I've been down bad for her since the first trailer. I'm guaranteed after accidentally doing another 10 pull on Kinich's banner after getting him.
I'm definitely pulling for the Geo DJ Cougar, and I hope I can get Chiori's C1, but before I do I'm pulling for either Sig weapon. If I get Chiori's sig, great for either character, and if I get Xilonen's sig, it's great for Xil, and Chiori can make good use of Ezpitzal. Of course if I get Xil early enough I might be able to try for some Cons (or I'll just wait for her rerun).
@@omarkaram4216 about 25k primos...which is about 160 wishes. I know I'm being more hopeful than I deserve considering my typical luck, but I can't help the optimism.
I think Xilonen is a must pull ONLY if you play Mualani, Navia or Nevuillette (in the descending order or importance). Dendro, monogeo, overload, anemo hypercarry teams don't want her. Most of DPS characters for whom Xilonen is viable would lose a valuable asset like elemental application or grouping or a shield by slotting in Xilonen. The only characters who would gladly slot in Xilonen right now are Mualani, Navia and Neuvillette (even though you could argue that for C0 Neuvillette Zhongli or Baizhu would still be better than Xilonen because they provide interruption resistance).
I would say that Nahida is basically a team by herself. So for newer players I would probably go for her first. You will be able to get a few people who can work with her and have a team set. I get the argument for Xilonen but for newer players I'd suggest Nahida first.
I think you might have misread something. Hu Tao just wants to be under 50% hp to get her passive buff, but after Furina released you run Hu Tao with a healer, so now she just plays as any other DPS.
I think the issue of hu tao is either survivability with her probably needing a shielder in a non furina team or needing a healer in a furina team (which you gonna need one for fanfare anyways). Atleast because how her skill hp drain functions, you dont need to get out of your way to get hit to decrease her hp and the only synergy she misses because the hp gimmick is bennett's anyway's (which tbh already sucks to play her CA gameplay inside a circle impact)
@@theskywalker8416Hu Tao is HP scaling anyway, at 50% health she still has 15-20k, which is no less than any ATK scaling character at 100% health. She’s not really that squishy in practice.
Thankfully being a long time player, i got all of these characters except the 2 geo ladies, and being a c0r0 player im most likely only gonna be pulling for xilonen because im sure chori vaule while in low investment is quite meh especially for non geo team users and navia players like me. I think of her like how wriothesley pre c1 sucks especially for melt but after getting it hes quite a decent dps.
If cyno somehow gets a new best in slot for the nahida position. His team is gonna be one of the most universal practical plug and play teams out there. I don't see it happening but I can hope
Fr. All he needed was a dendro character that can apply dendro at a solid rate in between waves. Yet Hoyo fucked him over. Nahida is great for ST but she sucks in multiwave, which is even more exacerbated in combat events. Baizhu, Kirara, Yaoyao and the like can work, but Cyno wants quickbloom core to deal meaningful dmg. I think at this rate, Cyno’s best multiwave team might become either a quick burn team with Emilie, Mavuika and Fischl, or an OL team with Chevreuse, Fischl, and pyro archon.
@@user-ot4ly9dp1c The problem is not that Nahida sucks at multiwave, the problem is that Cyno loses his ult when you switch him out. If hoyo fixed that Cyno would be one of the best characters.
@@MIQ2005 that team is way weaker than the quickbloom team, way weaker If you can get furina baizhu quickbloom with a nahida that just does multiwave, that is way more dmg. Plus who has Emilie in this economy
Going to try my hardest to just get Xilonen and avoid the temptation to get c1 Chiori. Xilonen will be better for Navia's damage anyway. I just don't want to bench Chiori forever, so using Chiori WITH Xilonen is tempting..god I wish they gave Xilonen a construct🥲
Legit the best hypercarry team core yet. The only issue i see in it is that because xilonen only heals the onfielder, without either c2 or having Nevuillete as the mean dps, furina wouldn't be able to max out fanfare. But thats minmaxing talk i believe this team core is still insane even without that.
@Kuddochan oh yeah thats true especially for someone with many many characters/weapons or a whale that needs to balance those between 10s of different buffs and debuffs from cons for maximum dmg. Forgot about that thx for pointing it out
Man it's really a tough call, I want Chiori so I can finish Mono Geo so I can keep Furina free for my other teams but Xilonen could easily hold the slot I had put for Kazuha for my swirl teams. I can see Itto can work in double hydro double Geo but it would tie up furina again. Hard choices.
Furina and xilonen are the top two strongest characters in the game and the best part is they synergies really well in a lot of teams.Just use xilonen+furina+flex+any dps(except nilou and any anemo dps) and that team will be enough to clear almost any content in the game.
I already have Hu Tao and a C2 Nahida. Im definitely pulling Xilonen and im considering getting Chiori too sine i have enough pulls to guarantee 2 limited 5* and i want an off field Geo dps but my main Geo dps are Navia and Noelle who can't make constructs and Zhongli and Kachina are the only ones i have/use that does make them. C1 seems nice, but im going to be saving for Mavuika/Pyro Archon after this banner.
I'll be honest. Nahida is broken, but you don't need her. Pull if you really like the character (she is cool). Xilonen is more versatile and she can only be replaced in the Meta by Kazuha, the goat. So... easy choice. If you already have Kazuha, you can go both ways and profit. WinWin! If not... Xilonen is the only way, Xilonen is the salvation. Xilonen is your new waifu.
Nahida & Hu Tao My reason for Nahida is because Tighnari is not good enough & Hu Tao is because I want to replace my C5 Yanfei on my 2nd Abyss team. I have Arlecchino, Furina, Xianyun & I recently got Raiden too.
Your choices are probably the best for your account. Yes xilonen can be an amazing buffer but as you have said: nahdia is the best support for a dendro em scaling dps so best way to buff tighnari if u wanna play him. Secondly you already have the best team core for hu tao with furina/xianyun (her c1 is irrelevant if you play plunge tao) so pulling her your gonna get a huge account buff because already got over her biggest issues. Aka needing yelan or furina for best 2x hydro and needing c1 or xianyun to fix stamina issue with CA gameplay. Praying you get lucky with both pulls
It's a very interesting take, I personally thought xilonen is one of those characters that is strong but not a must-pull especially if you have kazuha (which most ppl do) cuz she's strictly an upgrade only for mualani, neuvilette and navia. Also as a player who uses Bennet on one side and Nahida on the other (literally every abyss), I thought Nahida was definitely above in terms of pull value.
Xilonen can be a kazuha replacement in pretty much any team outside of something like ayaka teams, which is a great value considering that we have 2 sides in the abyss and IT requires 22 characters, but nahida still only works within the dendro ecosystem and dendro teams aren't particularly strong anymore nor do they scale well with investment, aside from a select few.
not even a significant upgrade in Mualani team, better save for someone to replace Xiangling instead of getting one to replace Kazuha/Sucrose because it will be so little of an increase it's just waste of primogems, if anything pulling for Mualani cons is just much better
@@Mana-qp4uwshe’s a huge upgrade for Mualani in ease of use which alone is big. Swirl setups with her are a pain in the ass and not worth doing. Xilonen is drag and drop and you now have healing + res shred which is something she wants badly.
@@Mana-qp4uw Bruh it's like a 15-20k dps difference from kazuha in mualani teams lmao, what you on about. Kazuha can't buff mualani's third skill vape or burst, xilonen can. She also enables furina in mualani teams.
🙏🏼 for your nose to heal fast. With 31K primogems, I can’t decide between Xilonen, Nahida C2 (I have C1), Chasca & possible Arlecchino rerun. Or skip them all since Mavuika constellation(s) are needed?
For purely meta purposes, Chasca is most likely the lowest value as a dps unless she is like Arlecchino or Neuvilette level. I think Xilonen is the safest meta pick other than Mavuika, but you may or may not have teams to use her with at the moment. For Nahida c2, I'm not sure. If it's a buff to teams you really care about, you can go for it. But I don't think teams based on transformative dendro reactions are going to have a resurgence for a while (I could be wrong), so I wouldn't feel too FOMO'd about it. If you feel like you're lacking a strong unit to use your Bennett, I think Arlecchino is good, but not better than a strong support like Xilonen (and presumably Mavuika).
I agree fully with the seal. As for nahida's c2 i can elaborate a bit more. While it is the best con you can get for any bloom reaction having team (like how its a running joke cyno's best con is nahida's c2), all your getting are just bigger numbers for faster clears and not unlocking new team comps (like for example how furina's c2 allows you to run her better with single target healer teams which is amazing for example like navia/bennett ones). And because most proper dendro hyperbloom/quickbloom teams already are decent enough without nahida's c2 to clear all ingame content easily, you dont gain significantly anything new. Lastly because most dendro's teams have a lower potential damage ceiling compared to the new dpses like arlecchino, if you care about keeping up with the meta via having the best teams for fastest clears, then getting arlecchino cons or xilonen would lead to a mych larger overall increase. But if you do like dendro and play it alot, no shame to get nahida's c2 because as seal said, its easy enough to clear all game content anyways so play how you want.
I find it funny that every time someone is going to say something bad about Nahida it starts with “if your opponents die” Like… dude if your opponents die you did what had to be done
I am going to get C0R1 Xilonen, and maybe Chiori' sig for Furina. Then put Xilonen on the same team with Furina to give her the full use of Chiori's weapon!
@@Gengchen82 Uraku Misugiri R1 is actually 3% better in DPS for Furina than her own sig. Plus, pulling for weapons in the first half of 5.1 is economically viable for the primo gem management since both Xilonen and Chiori's weapons are in the same banner. If you lost to Chiori's sig, it's a guarantee for Xilonen's sig. If you win, you can save the primo gem for Furina's sig in the next rerun.
I'm torn before wishing for Mavuika to have C2 Pyro Archon (have 90+ wishes atm) or keeping my wishes to get C6 Nahida or C6 Furina in future... (have them both C2R1 atm) And in a classic way, idk what to do. I'm worried that Snezhnaya will have mechanisms that need a powerful, multiple task pyro character in future
I think you are too worried about Future Impact. Watch a few off-meta Abyss clears (like 4* only, DPS Amber) to see you don’t always need the most hyped character at the time. If you skip all limited pyros on your quest to C6 Furina/Nahida, you can build a Diluc, Gaming, Dehya, or Yanfei if you need a pyro option to do an off meta clear if the abyss or Imaginarium throws lots of cryo and geo shields at you. (On the way to a C6 5 star, it would be amazing luck to not have at least two standard banner pyro characters with constellations on the way.) My highest damage Pyro on-fielder is C6 Yanfei, by the way: just too comfy to stand in the middle of a chamber with shield and spam ranged attacks.
If I gonna c6r5 one of 4 id pick Chiori, her c6 is broken as hell. Id say Chiori has one of best c6. But ofc im f2p id pick Nahida or Xilonen, they alreay good at c0
I’m thinking about skipping for chiori and xilonen only because I don’t have characters I can build them with and I already have nahida so I definitely want hu tao just bc she is super cute But xilonen is would be great for exploration I might pull on both banners idk Well actually does anyone have any 4 star geo recommendations for chiori and xilonen? Bc I kinda wanna pull for them both and for hu tao R.I.P my wallet 🤭
I am also thinking same but Ltd primos, but also one thought comes that I can also go for arlechino but I've put so much time on hu tao build that I don't feel like going for arlechino
@@GabiKunMyWaifusIsGanyu-Citlali Arlechino is more f2p friendly. Both Hutao and her are top-tier pyto dps characters but Arlechino is just better overall. She needs lesser supports and with just enough investment can solo the abyss like Neuvillete and is considered one of the best single target damage characters. Both are really op. Just pull for whoever you like more because at the end of the day it is a gacha game and unless you are a whale or have no life, you won't be able to get all characters.
I like your honesty about nahida place on the meta honestly, unlike certain someone who thinks nahida is top 2 characters in the game when she's not even top 4
What happen to your nose mate I'm a little worried, keep the hard work love ur videos u will consider doing zenless zone zero content?? I will love if so
I wish I could say that xD I only have 20k primos and I will have to go for that 50-50 and like you I'd like to have both but sadly I have to chose only one 😢.
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I am going to pull Chiori because I'm extremely down bad for her
You got her first multi bet. I have her c2 and she's my navia's best friend
Go her constellation 2, not C0
Me too
Respectable
same
I agree that Nahida’s versatility is slowly diminishing with the focus shifting off Dendro, and burning teams not caring for her at all. Her flaws have also become more highlighted with the release of units who powercreep in the QOL and practicality department, as you mentioned. But the thing with Nahida’s pull value that she has over all the other top tier units (Kazuha, Furina, Xilonen) is that she’s also essentially a full time carry. No other unit has such a high supportive/off field profile, while also single-handedly serving as one of your abyss teams (hyperbloom, to be exact). The other top units are great at supporting, but they need to support a good 5* carry to begin with. Obviously, you should have good carries anyway, but Nahida’s consolidation in being the premium dendro team staple (outside of burning) while also being able to delegate herself to a complete hyperbloom team keeps her up there not in terms of strength, but in value.
@@kale1287 yeah we don't talk often about hyperboom because people are bored of it. But it's still extremely strong and can get past almost any content.
Even in burning she is rlly good, in reality burnmelt o burnvape (last one with Mualani where she is incredible good due to her em buff)
Also worth mentioning she's really strong (and fun) as an on field driver. Literally hopscotch your enemies to death
Nahida's strength cannot be overstated. My Nahida is at 1000 EM and I always use her in my Quicken and Aggravate teams, especially on my Clorinde. Clorinde on TF means even in multi wave content, you can switch to back to Nahida (and whatever other off field dps/support units you have) to refresh their abilities, then back to Clorinde and her skill is ready to go again. Enemy not dead yet? Just use another Clorinde skill again immediately after with almost no CD. It's so smooth!
Right now her value has dropped because shes not used in many of the highest dps teams. Has nothing to do with her since she has a very good kit but she needs a new carry or something else that will work in a Nahida team and then her value will go up again. The most recent character is used with her is Clorinde where you can use Nahida in a aggravate team which is very good but you can get similar results playing Clorinde overload so again shes not needed there either.
She really hasn’t changed much since 3.X her other teams are still the same and she hasn’t got any buff where other characters have gotten new teammates which results in buffs
the fact that nahida unlocks the hyperbloom core , for f2p players and hyperbloom is considered most easy to build gives her more pull value in a f2p starter account for me . xilonen is a great buffer and healer but still she cannot create a team core .
so for me if ur a f2p and dont have that many characters at all just go for hyperbloom
if u have layed for a long time i would perfer xilonen because you already have team cores to start with .
I think the core is kuki or raiden that's my opn tho
Genshin players: get yelan she is basically a second xinqui
Also genshin players: if you have kazuha you don't need xilonen why the f would you need a second kazuha.
XD
Also back then: if you have Sucrose you don't need Kazuha
Also why furina if u have yelan and xinqui😁
Funny because I haven't been using either Xingqiu or Yelan in at least a year.
because aside from Neuv team, Xilonen is not really an upgrade in any other team
@@Mana-qp4uwnavia?
Not gonna pull Xilonen to replace Kazuha but to use them together. They together gonna help a lot with exploration.
Exploration impact
Im gonna go with what TGS said last video with a kazhua xilonen nevuillete furina team. The hydro pump gonna go soo hard hoyo would have to nerf him again
This is the correct answer
@@totallyregulargiorno Exploration impact is the real endgame!
Watch his latest video, bro. Xilonen is no. 1 in must pull.
Your opinions are true for veterans, and old players. But i respectfully disagree for new players. Because someone without nahida is missing out on a lot. Xilonen buffs elemental dps teams, and these elemental dps’s are so hard to build, especially for f2p casuals, cause of artifact rng and lack of craftable 4star weapons. Plus almost all such characters need a sub dps, like hutao+yelan, and still can be powercrept easily, like arle did. But nahida does something else. She is the best character for bloom reactions, which are extremely powerful, and so much so, that it cant be powercrept, so hoyo releasing new dendro units that dont compete in bloom, but target entirely different reaction of burning instead. For casuals, nahida team is so easy to build, including artifacts rng, as cr cd not needed, great 4 star team options like xinque etc, and bloom reactions are easy abyss clears.
In short, xilonen buffs a dps, without dps, she is shit, and dps keeps getting powercrept, but nahida dont need dps, as bloom like reactions dont need dps. If you cant clear abyss, and dont have nahida, you are missing on a lot. Such players please pick nahida and save your account. Otherwise if abyss you can clear, and dont need bloom team, you can pick xilonen, but remember that you need to keep pulling best dps’s, as xilonen’s value greatly depend on it
actually fully agree. my first 36 stars as a fresh player was carried by nahida hyperbloom with a early kuki pull. bloom teams of any sort barely need crazy artifacts, as soon as you got your main EM rolls, you're gtg. now she is my staple dendro unit for aggravate with my higher cv electro characters. Like she is just all around high power at any stage of the game.
You seem to be too obsessed with Meta in a single player game.
Anyways, we are currently in Natlan, it is much better to just pull for new Natlan units bcs the future units will synergize best with other Natlan units.
Much better than going for Nahida and Alhaitham in the big 2024.
New players should just focus on new Characters and completely ignore previous releases, there's a whole new region being released atm and u want a new player to miss out on all the hype and new unique characters so they can build Hyperbloom team in 2024 and potentially have to wait a whole year before getting Alhaitham to make their team better?
Who even plays the game without DPS? you are focusing too much on character-building and stuff. The fact that there is Dendro MC really shows you aren't missing that much if you don't have Nahida. There are times where I prefer Dendro MC for my Nilou bloom, which is multi-wave combat and I don't have to swap to Nahida every wave. Dendro works only with specific elements, so choosing "specific" character over Xilonen who is more versatile and flexible just because it's too hard to build a DPS is really dumb. I get it if you like Nahida more but your reasoning is just a bad one.
I think you got it the other way around
Since we're talking about "the 2nd coming of Kazuha" here, isn't it more like "The DPSs will need her to get to their highest potential"?
Ever since 1.6, Kazuha has always been part of the best teams of 90% of the DPSs out there that can be swirled. He's just that good that if there's a new AND old DPS with a swirlable element, you can slot him in and that DPS in question will magically get stronger.
So in that sense, isn't she more "future proof" as you'll inevitably get another DPS in the future/even the older DPSs can compete solely bcs of Xilonen's buffs/synergy with Furina.
And what if you have Kazuha? Then you can slot her in on the 2nd half ez. You can even use them both if the requirements permit.
I'll still give credit to Nahida tho, she's still the face of Dendro and it's hard for that to change.
So pretty much just bite the bullet and either:
- A: Wait for months til Xilonen rerun
- B: Wait for months til Nahida rerun
- C: Be a chad and get them both
I'll say tho, if you're a new player and you have a Hy/Py/Cr/El carry that doesn't depend on Dendro and you REALLY love playing, then Xilonen is a better pull.
I don't have Nahida and I'm completely fine
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This dude reminds me of mario sometimes when he talks.
I'M SO MAD that chiori came back on xilonen's banner. I wanted her and missed her, and now she's running at the same time as the other character i've wanted so bad
Will definitely try pulling Xilonen and Nahida. I would try going for Zhongli, but tbh I need a strong wind dps for Imaginarium Threatre, so hopefully Chasca in the future could fulfil that role.
Just pull Fexiao for the strong wind DPS. She's on banner for a couple more days.
@@ATHOS_of_INDEX?
@@ATHOS_of_INDEXnah you need Robin to make her work and IT has no physical element next cycle
Nah you should pull for Ceasar for Geo anomoly. it will be in the next Hollow zero cycles
@@ATHOS_of_INDEXnah you should wait for the sunday banner
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Xilonen really packed Chiori. Chiori life was so short her construct limitations really fucked her up.
Yeah, awful requirement
yes but Genshin can always make old character comeback, like Chiori is only need strong Geo DPS in Mono Geo to replace Itto, and she will become more useful her position is like Emilie in burning focus team, but maybe take a long time to get new Geo DPS
@@di8085 she is going to need another DPS that wants mono geo. Because with Xilonen you don't even want mono geo for Itto.
already have c1 Chiori so Xilonen is an easy skip as i don't play Neuv
@@Mana-qp4uw cool your two pulls are less valuable than a single character in every teams but mono geo.
Nahida is irreplaceable on a bunch of Dendro teams, where the team would just stop working without her. Xilonen (and Kazuha by extension) aren't as irreplaceable. If I replace them in a Neuvillete/Arlecchino/Quicken team, I can still have a fully functional team that's still good enough.
Today there are functional dendro teams without Nahida, the damage of the team is reduced, but they still work the same as what happens with Kazuha and Xilonen in their teams
@@anny43 Quickbloom, quicken and bloom sucks without Nahida
Yaoyao gets the job done@@Gengchen82
Finally, a Xilonen involved video where someone actually suggest using Itto outside mono Geo with Xilonen instead of dunking on him.
This weapon banner is so cracked for people pairing Xilonen with Furina, Xilonen will always proc the geo passive for Furina holding Misugiri.
That's true but damn Furina is too energy hungry...
Pulling C0R1 Chiori because she’s hot. I think that’s pretty good reason to do so. Both weapons are pretty good for her too which is a win. Hope I win lol.
I got her c0r1 on release bcs I like her design. Good luck to you too!
Chiori is decent.
Based and real
Xilonen way hotter. Chiori looks like a Starbucks drinking liberal
Her wepen is actually s tire really good and her self is pretty alright as a sub but not as good some one like emiliy
I love Chiori but she really need an actual team. Sorry, but she is basicly bogged down by Itto being mid. She need an actual good geo dps who create or synergise with constructs.
Her c1 helps with that. U can play her in many teams if you get her c1
chiori was just a quick bait for the people who pulled navia because they knew people will pull for xilonen anyway in the future. This way they made navia mains pull for 2 units(or even 3 if you went for chiori C1) instead of 1 because they knew zhongli and albedo are garbage enough to make navia mains desperate for an alternative. And then they made chiori unable to work with xilonen. 500IQ scam. They don't care about chiori anymore unfortunately, she has served her purpose.
@@musicaddict9058she is the least owned character in the game for a reason'
@@jijidu69 Funnily enough, i predicted that they will release geo healer after chiori(not like it wasn't obvious), and i still pulled for her. Mihoyo trying to teach us patience with their elaborate scams.
sorry, constellation bait characters like her and wriothesley are no pull for me 😢
I'm pulling for my F2P C6 Chiori!
I hope I can make it, I have about 620 wishes saved...
But why🤔
@@roshantanveer8107 because I have all characters I like that are currently released and not that many upcoming I think look cool
+ having a C6 as F2P just seems fun haha
@@roshantanveer8107 dont ask people like him (no offense), they pull who they want XD
@@roshantanveer8107I’m not f2p but I also want her C6 because she is one of my favorite characters
@@ShinySwalot best of luck guys
Xilonen is basically Ayla from Chrono trigger, and thats why im pulling her :)
I'm surprised it's taken this long to see Ayla from chrono trigger mentioned, it's what came to mind for me when she was first teased.
I am drooling while thinking of the speed Xilonen will provide for my Ore collection team.
as a chiori fan i really thought mihoyo would cook something up with her later down the line since she has pretty strict restrictions. But with xilonen's kit they basically went in completely other direction. oh well, you win some you lose some i guess
GUYSSS!! excited for xilonen!!
Bro u forgot how quickly Nahida & kazuha break elemental shield which is most important for many players.. i spend almost 1yr without dendro unit ... I know how hard it is to defeat enemies protected with elemental shield in abyss.. and Nahida is one who solved this issue as well kazuha!
Some of the 4* character can deal with elemental shield too esp. with the right element. So, I wouldn't recommend players to pull just for dealing with elemental shield.
* I know Nahida and Kazuha has many more things going for them but elemental shield isn't a big thing that you have to pull a certain 5* to deal with it.
Nahida is only really good at breaking hydro shields, she sucks at all others
@@cardnacn6704 and tell me which 4 star is that 😂.... Keep sucrose in corner then think.... Do you imagine those fkkg hydro & elecro slims, hydro tulpa, electro lawachurl, cryo & electro Abyss mage, abyss lectors, cryo gunner fatui, cryo cicin mage, Algorithm of Semi-Intransient Matrix, Millennial Pearl Seahorse, ..
Now keep your knowledge in your pocket... And chill!
Nahida is still must pull character in the entire game .... Just forget finding her alternatives... People can also clear abyss with 4 stars... But at which cost of torture mind?
Xilonen's geo application is negligible . Zhongli in stocks
Definitely gonna pull Xilonen for my Navia team since she provides everything I need in a second Geo character being heals, buffs and res-shredding. Combined with the added bonus of overworld movement, I can't reasonably justify rolling for any of the other upcoming 5-stars over her.
Mostly agree, however expecting similar support capability to Furina from any unit that came before her is kinda dumb.
Every archon defined the meta when they came out and with the whole nightsoul blessing mechanic Mavuika is most likely to be as much of game changer as Furina when she comes out.
Who should you pull?
Albedo but girl
Arlecchino at home
Radish you already own
🌟META BREAKING KAZUHA 2.0🌟
I feel bad for her everyone is saying she is just kazuha 2.0😭
@@Ventithegoatvent1_22 Kazuha is like one of the best character in the game. Being seen as another Kazuha but that can work with geo, is a great honor.
The best part of the banners you didn’t mention was the weapon banner, both Chiori’s Signature and Xilonen’s Signature are great weapons while Chiori Signature is arguably the best for DPS Xilonen.
It is _so_ hard not to use this guarantee on Kinich (especially since I still need two more Chevreuse, despite so many excessive Saras and Thomas), but the succinct showcase of Xilonen's utility relative to Kazuha's swirls has set me to wait for the rerun on Kinich (and Emilie). Here's hoping Chevreuse is thrown onto Mavuika's banner~
None of the character banners so far, but Nahida and Hutao weapon banner looks promising
Wdym? Nahida weapon is B tier and Homa is outdated
@@schopenhauer5427Agreed. Homa is mid
@@schopenhauer5427 homa is literally the second best option for every DPS polearm character after their sig
For new players:
- Prio Nahida AND/OR Xilonen
(Xilonen might rerun much sooner so maybe getting Nahida first is a better option BUT, if you don't plan on centralizing on Dendro teams/have characters that get a HUGE upgrade with Xilonen/don't have Kazuha yet then it really is just up to you)
Veterans:
- What are you even doing, ofc pull Xilonen (imagine playing the game for 2+ yrs without pulling Nahida)
2yr+ player without nahida here lmao. shes only really great for bloom reactions and its boring to me personally
veteran should skip Xilonen and focus on more promising Mavuika, Xilonen is such a small upgrade and sometimes not even one for already existing team, not worth the primogems
been playing for 2+ yrs. No Nahida cause Dendro is non-existent to me.
Playing since 2022 without Nahida 🫡
@@Mana-qp4uwI'm getting both lol (well, I don't have primos for Xilo, but you get the point)
This is one of the only banner runs where I don’t have a single character, but I’ve been waiting for xilonen since the teaser. 30k primos saved for her and mavuika😂🙏 good luck to everyone whose pulling.
i already know who I'm pulling.
Why did i click on this video
To hear "GUYS" 🗣️🗣️
To support TGS by hitting that like button
Who u gonna pull
I'll try pulling for her. If I win the 50/50, good, I'll have to work harder in preparation of what is potentially coming in 5.3. If I lose it, I'll keep that guarantee for 5.3 and then try to get Xilonen in her first rerun.
I already have the other three units and seeing as Xilonen is a desirable unit who won't fall into an obscure niche *cofcofShenhecof* I hope I won't have to wait for her more than a year.
imo, chiori is a better pull than hu tao if you already have newer on field units (hu tao is great otherwise)
He sort of dismisses it, but his calc for the c1 chiori/xilo core 4:21 outdamages every other comp covered in his arlecchino guide by a pretty decent margin (next highest is ~72.7k dps). So I imagine that even at c0, this core isn't far behind other best teams. Plus, it can be tacked on to many other PHEC teams with similarly great results (neuvi, hu tao, wrio, cyno, etc).
At c0 Chiori, it's pretty optional though. The thing with these limited sub-dps units like Emilie and Chiori is that they're investment hungry to feel like they're keeping pace with the rest of your account. If your Arlecchino or Neuvilette is c1/r1/etc, then you'd be better off adding another buffer instead of adding new sources of damage (unless you're also planning on pulling constellations or a signature weapon for Chiori/Emilie and you're willing to farm for good artifacts for them).
It's great if you love the sub-dps character because you can get a lot of value from giving them attention/investment, but it makes it hard to recommend them to someone who isn't already interested in them from either a design/personality or gameplay perspective. If I know someone who loves Mualani or Kinich and wants the absolute best supports to buff THEIR damage, then I'd recommend a Furina with c1 over an Emilie that won't buff the character they care about.
@@sealyaggington7488 yup, completely agree. Versitile supports will almost always be a better pull. I just wanted to clarify because I feel like people who would potentially like her have been convinced that she's no good or a downgrade across the board. If you like her and do spend time building her, she is a very strong option (and fairly flexible dmg source when paired with xilo or zhongli), but yeah, it'll definitely be more work than throwing a c0 support with some wack artifacts on the team.
I'm pulling Xilonen because I already have Nahida and supports are often OP in Genshin.
Already have Chiori c1, gonna get Xilonen, and then I'm gonna use that Double Geo core until Genshin ends 😂
I think Hoyo will release a Geo unit that makes constructs indestructible and provides huge Geo buffs to chars with constructs on-field
Pierro?
@@Gengchen82
Pantalone maybe because he is from liyue and geo makes sense
also pierro mostl likely has abyss element like dainsleif because he is khaenrian and it wont make sense for him to have a teyvat element
the main thing i would add re: nahida is that hyperbloom teams are very low-budget, which could be nice for newer players
I am VERY conflicted between Xilonen and Nahida. As someone who plays Navia a lot and dendro a lot i am torn.
Try to get both imo
Then to save your money i recommend getting nahdia. Because hoyo likes to rerun new characters who sold well in the same version (remember nevuillete and furina having 2 banners last version), while old archons only get run once per version and considering nahida had 3 banners already, im sure she's not gonna have a 5th one after this soon so u gonna be w8 for her for a long while if you skip her now. And im sure xilonen would be selling like hot cakes cus the meta potential + only new character this patch so a rerun is quite likely this banner
nahida is the better choice. as an f2p i pulled her by accident during her debut banner (not knowing she was a dendro staple and a top 3 unit) and she carried my team of mediocre 4 stars and a venti throughout all of genshin. your life will improve immensely if you have her
Pull for nahida xilonen will have a rerun soon if she sells well
I sucks to see Nahida not being as needed as before but it's true, her buffs aren't that big and the fact that her skill must be recast every new wave really hurts her team composition nowadays
Xilonen is a godsend because kazuha is getting pretty boring after so long. People saying saying she's just another kazuha, we'll isn't that great? Now you have one for each team in abyss
Well Jean is here too show her some love
seriously, nahida was my first 5* and she carried me through whole of liyue, inazuma and fountain
I feel like nahida has been a bit underrated here her personal dmg in quicken teams is v good and i would argue shes a must pull in quickbloom, hyperbloom and ur standard burgeon teams pre kinich, agree w the rest tho
The hype for Xilonen is real and I would like to pull for her she is an amazing support but, I think that I will be pulling for Chiori instead, I really need crystal shards for Navia her burst is not enough to charge her elemental skill faster and moreover I dont use elemental reaction teams, my teams consist on doble anemo Wandere/Faruzan and doble Geo with Navia, that geo elemental shred is nothing compared to having the stacks of her elemental skill full all the time. So I think that at least Chiori c1 is best companion for Navia instead of Xilonen.
You just made a good point i didnt see anyone state before. Like is her geo offield application enough to make crystalize shards for navia or not? Im used to running navia with zhongli (and now the new 4* cus the new set gives a better buff) and they both are decent enough to make enough crystalize for her. But if xilonen doesnt do the same then that fact alone makes her quite a bad matchup for navia. Praying that this isnt the case but thanks again for pointing this question out.
It would be really interesting to see your thoughts on jamie's video basically calling Xilonen only decent and not an actual upgrade over Kazuha in basically any team and also not being an upgrade for Neuv without C1 Neuv.
Jamie’s thoughts seem to be more centered around our current roster/meta at the time he makes his videos.
TGS always keeps in mind potential value, so his thoughts will differ.
It’s pretty easy to tell that Xilonen’s value will only rise when we see more Natlan units release.
Both are valid thought processes in my opinion though.
Math shows that she is definitly an increase an increase for c1 Neuv, I don't know why he is straight up lying. But Neuv best team used Zhongli and she is better in every ways damage wise if you don't need the shield.
Jamie doesn't follow leaks and made big mistakes about her kit.
Excited for Noelle/Furina/Xilonen teams. Dunno what the +1 would be but there's a lot of options.
Gorou
A Geo rollerblader is rated the superior meta pick going forward over the still-amazing Dendro Archon. I did not see that coming two months ago.
Pulling Xilonen since I've been down bad for her since the first trailer. I'm guaranteed after accidentally doing another 10 pull on Kinich's banner after getting him.
xilonen is coming home whether she wants to or not, she's gorgeous, meta, and has joylne's VA in JP
I'm definitely pulling for the Geo DJ Cougar, and I hope I can get Chiori's C1, but before I do I'm pulling for either Sig weapon.
If I get Chiori's sig, great for either character, and if I get Xilonen's sig, it's great for Xil, and Chiori can make good use of Ezpitzal.
Of course if I get Xil early enough I might be able to try for some Cons (or I'll just wait for her rerun).
How much you save ?
@@omarkaram4216 about 25k primos...which is about 160 wishes.
I know I'm being more hopeful than I deserve considering my typical luck, but I can't help the optimism.
My pulling order: Xilonen>Chiori Weapon>Xilonen Weapon>Xilonen C1>Xilonen C2 (hopefully I get the first 3 without spending money)
I think Xilonen is a must pull ONLY if you play Mualani, Navia or Nevuillette (in the descending order or importance). Dendro, monogeo, overload, anemo hypercarry teams don't want her. Most of DPS characters for whom Xilonen is viable would lose a valuable asset like elemental application or grouping or a shield by slotting in Xilonen. The only characters who would gladly slot in Xilonen right now are Mualani, Navia and Neuvillette (even though you could argue that for C0 Neuvillette Zhongli or Baizhu would still be better than Xilonen because they provide interruption resistance).
The main thing I want from this patch is to give my Chiori her beautiful signature sword, but I'll have to see what 5.2 has in store for me too...
I would say that Nahida is basically a team by herself. So for newer players I would probably go for her first. You will be able to get a few people who can work with her and have a team set. I get the argument for Xilonen but for newer players I'd suggest Nahida first.
Nice analysis as always 😊
Thanks bro 👍
Thank you, this video is super useful, as I was wondering if Chiori is better than Xilonen in Navia teams!
I'm going to pull for hu tao I have 42 pulls saved for her I a good set for her I'm excited ❤❤❤❤
I’m going for her c1 and hopefully r1
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I will never pull Hu Tao, or any character that only does max damage while at 1% health.
I think you might have misread something. Hu Tao just wants to be under 50% hp to get her passive buff, but after Furina released you run Hu Tao with a healer, so now she just plays as any other DPS.
I think the issue of hu tao is either survivability with her probably needing a shielder in a non furina team or needing a healer in a furina team (which you gonna need one for fanfare anyways). Atleast because how her skill hp drain functions, you dont need to get out of your way to get hit to decrease her hp and the only synergy she misses because the hp gimmick is bennett's anyway's (which tbh already sucks to play her CA gameplay inside a circle impact)
@@ulrikruby its just feel uncomfortable and risky to play for many ppl
@@theskywalker8416Hu Tao is HP scaling anyway, at 50% health she still has 15-20k, which is no less than any ATK scaling character at 100% health. She’s not really that squishy in practice.
@@Kuddochan i know but most ppl can't help get that "worry" feeling when they see smth like that
5:43 Hu Tao’s damage is high enough to just kill each enemy separately and still clear. And with Xianyun she has great AOE damage.
Thankfully being a long time player, i got all of these characters except the 2 geo ladies, and being a c0r0 player im most likely only gonna be pulling for xilonen because im sure chori vaule while in low investment is quite meh especially for non geo team users and navia players like me. I think of her like how wriothesley pre c1 sucks especially for melt but after getting it hes quite a decent dps.
If cyno somehow gets a new best in slot for the nahida position. His team is gonna be one of the most universal practical plug and play teams out there. I don't see it happening but I can hope
Fr. All he needed was a dendro character that can apply dendro at a solid rate in between waves. Yet Hoyo fucked him over. Nahida is great for ST but she sucks in multiwave, which is even more exacerbated in combat events.
Baizhu, Kirara, Yaoyao and the like can work, but Cyno wants quickbloom core to deal meaningful dmg.
I think at this rate, Cyno’s best multiwave team might become either a quick burn team with Emilie, Mavuika and Fischl, or an OL team with Chevreuse, Fischl, and pyro archon.
@@user-ot4ly9dp1c The problem is not that Nahida sucks at multiwave, the problem is that Cyno loses his ult when you switch him out.
If hoyo fixed that Cyno would be one of the best characters.
Emilie Couldn't you?
@@MIQ2005 that team is way weaker than the quickbloom team, way weaker
If you can get furina baizhu quickbloom with a nahida that just does multiwave, that is way more dmg. Plus who has Emilie in this economy
As a Tighnari main it’s finally time for Nahida C-2.
5.1 guide, get as many wishes as possible, get c0 xilonem, r1 xilonem, c2 xilonem, clean game
Going to try my hardest to just get Xilonen and avoid the temptation to get c1 Chiori. Xilonen will be better for Navia's damage anyway. I just don't want to bench Chiori forever, so using Chiori WITH Xilonen is tempting..god I wish they gave Xilonen a construct🥲
I 100% agree. The only sane choice here is Xilonen which I will follow and pull for her!
i wish i could pull xilonen, but im waiting for arle, nice video btw :))
pulling for Nahida, my girl Clorinde demands a treat 💪🏻
Wait, combining Furina, Kazuha AND Xilonen works? Woooow, w t f
Legit the best hypercarry team core yet. The only issue i see in it is that because xilonen only heals the onfielder, without either c2 or having Nevuillete as the mean dps, furina wouldn't be able to max out fanfare. But thats minmaxing talk i believe this team core is still insane even without that.
good new for anyone want to power their Neuvillette for stronger XD
You could but there are diminishing returns on that much res shred since its impact is halved for negative res numbers. Should still be strong though.
@Kuddochan oh yeah thats true especially for someone with many many characters/weapons or a whale that needs to balance those between 10s of different buffs and debuffs from cons for maximum dmg. Forgot about that thx for pointing it out
Skipping xilonen has to the worst thing you can do, she is a cracked support.
Man it's really a tough call, I want Chiori so I can finish Mono Geo so I can keep Furina free for my other teams but Xilonen could easily hold the slot I had put for Kazuha for my swirl teams. I can see Itto can work in double hydro double Geo but it would tie up furina again. Hard choices.
Furina and xilonen are the top two strongest characters in the game and the best part is they synergies really well in a lot of teams.Just use xilonen+furina+flex+any dps(except nilou and any anemo dps) and that team will be enough to clear almost any content in the game.
Cyno?
@@ThePenguinsKing Xilonen furina nahida/baizhu cyno
Except nilou, anemo AND dendro dps. Al Haitham or Kinich do not work either.
Still waiting for a hydro,dendro, or electro limited character specifically dedicated as a hyperbloom DPS
I already have Hu Tao and a C2 Nahida. Im definitely pulling Xilonen and im considering getting Chiori too sine i have enough pulls to guarantee 2 limited 5* and i want an off field Geo dps but my main Geo dps are Navia and Noelle who can't make constructs and Zhongli and Kachina are the only ones i have/use that does make them. C1 seems nice, but im going to be saving for Mavuika/Pyro Archon after this banner.
really wanted a teamwide healer so i guess ill get her ❤ get well soon !!!!!!!
I'm conflicted between Xilonen and Nahida... Which one is more versatile?
xilonen if you dont use dendro. but nahida makes any team that uses dendro cracked. you win no matter which one you choose!
Nahida
depends on your account. If you want one defnitive answer - definitely Nahida. You legiitmately do not need any other 5* dendro if you have Nahida.
I'll be honest. Nahida is broken, but you don't need her. Pull if you really like the character (she is cool).
Xilonen is more versatile and she can only be replaced in the Meta by Kazuha, the goat.
So... easy choice. If you already have Kazuha, you can go both ways and profit. WinWin!
If not... Xilonen is the only way, Xilonen is the salvation. Xilonen is your new waifu.
Simple Answer:
Xilonen for general teams (except mono anemo) and Nahida for dendro teams.
nice nose armor btw
Bro put a Zhongli shield on his nose
Nahida & Hu Tao
My reason for Nahida is because Tighnari is not good enough & Hu Tao is because I want to replace my C5 Yanfei on my 2nd Abyss team.
I have Arlecchino, Furina, Xianyun & I recently got Raiden too.
Your choices are probably the best for your account. Yes xilonen can be an amazing buffer but as you have said: nahdia is the best support for a dendro em scaling dps so best way to buff tighnari if u wanna play him. Secondly you already have the best team core for hu tao with furina/xianyun (her c1 is irrelevant if you play plunge tao) so pulling her your gonna get a huge account buff because already got over her biggest issues. Aka needing yelan or furina for best 2x hydro and needing c1 or xianyun to fix stamina issue with CA gameplay. Praying you get lucky with both pulls
It's a very interesting take, I personally thought xilonen is one of those characters that is strong but not a must-pull especially if you have kazuha (which most ppl do) cuz she's strictly an upgrade only for mualani, neuvilette and navia. Also as a player who uses Bennet on one side and Nahida on the other (literally every abyss), I thought Nahida was definitely above in terms of pull value.
Xilonen can be a kazuha replacement in pretty much any team outside of something like ayaka teams, which is a great value considering that we have 2 sides in the abyss and IT requires 22 characters, but nahida still only works within the dendro ecosystem and dendro teams aren't particularly strong anymore nor do they scale well with investment, aside from a select few.
not even a significant upgrade in Mualani team, better save for someone to replace Xiangling instead of getting one to replace Kazuha/Sucrose because it will be so little of an increase it's just waste of primogems, if anything pulling for Mualani cons is just much better
@@Mana-qp4uwshe’s a huge upgrade for Mualani in ease of use which alone is big. Swirl setups with her are a pain in the ass and not worth doing. Xilonen is drag and drop and you now have healing + res shred which is something she wants badly.
@@Mana-qp4uw Bruh it's like a 15-20k dps difference from kazuha in mualani teams lmao, what you on about. Kazuha can't buff mualani's third skill vape or burst, xilonen can. She also enables furina in mualani teams.
@@Mana-qp4uw Mualani is the worst example because the difference between the two is insane.
🙏🏼 for your nose to heal fast. With 31K primogems, I can’t decide between Xilonen, Nahida C2 (I have C1), Chasca & possible Arlecchino rerun. Or skip them all since Mavuika constellation(s) are needed?
For purely meta purposes, Chasca is most likely the lowest value as a dps unless she is like Arlecchino or Neuvilette level. I think Xilonen is the safest meta pick other than Mavuika, but you may or may not have teams to use her with at the moment. For Nahida c2, I'm not sure. If it's a buff to teams you really care about, you can go for it. But I don't think teams based on transformative dendro reactions are going to have a resurgence for a while (I could be wrong), so I wouldn't feel too FOMO'd about it. If you feel like you're lacking a strong unit to use your Bennett, I think Arlecchino is good, but not better than a strong support like Xilonen (and presumably Mavuika).
I agree fully with the seal. As for nahida's c2 i can elaborate a bit more. While it is the best con you can get for any bloom reaction having team (like how its a running joke cyno's best con is nahida's c2), all your getting are just bigger numbers for faster clears and not unlocking new team comps (like for example how furina's c2 allows you to run her better with single target healer teams which is amazing for example like navia/bennett ones). And because most proper dendro hyperbloom/quickbloom teams already are decent enough without nahida's c2 to clear all ingame content easily, you dont gain significantly anything new. Lastly because most dendro's teams have a lower potential damage ceiling compared to the new dpses like arlecchino, if you care about keeping up with the meta via having the best teams for fastest clears, then getting arlecchino cons or xilonen would lead to a mych larger overall increase.
But if you do like dendro and play it alot, no shame to get nahida's c2 because as seal said, its easy enough to clear all game content anyways so play how you want.
I'll get Chiori first then Xilo's rerun. Chiori's aesthetics just got me over.
Not wishing for anyone. Waiting on furina and maivuika. Need to also stock on material,mora and invest in my current character.
Thats the best idea tbh. Prioritizing the archon is always the smartest move. Good luck. Im waiting for mavuika too
@@Gengchen82 when will mavuika be released? im pretty new
I find it funny that every time someone is going to say something bad about Nahida it starts with “if your opponents die”
Like… dude if your opponents die you did what had to be done
you can kill the first wave, but currently there are chasms with rooms of up to 4 waves, even the boss rooms have more than one wave now
I am going to get C0R1 Xilonen, and maybe Chiori' sig for Furina.
Then put Xilonen on the same team with Furina to give her the full use of Chiori's weapon!
Why would u get chioris sig for furina? Just wait and get furinas sig for furina lmao.
That doesnt make any sense
@@Gengchen82 Uraku Misugiri R1 is actually 3% better in DPS for Furina than her own sig.
Plus, pulling for weapons in the first half of 5.1 is economically viable for the primo gem management since both Xilonen and Chiori's weapons are in the same banner.
If you lost to Chiori's sig, it's a guarantee for Xilonen's sig. If you win, you can save the primo gem for Furina's sig in the next rerun.
What do you think of Xilonen, Furina, Kazuha, and Bennet? A group of the game's top supports come together to make their own busted team.
Im skipping, just saw another banner vid that says Zhongli may come after Nahidas' banner.
Well I have all the three older ones already so not too much to think about
I feel like I use Baizhu more than Nahida since I just can’t be bothered to skill all the enemies with a controller
I'm torn before wishing for Mavuika to have C2 Pyro Archon (have 90+ wishes atm) or keeping my wishes to get C6 Nahida or C6 Furina in future... (have them both C2R1 atm)
And in a classic way, idk what to do.
I'm worried that Snezhnaya will have mechanisms that need a powerful, multiple task pyro character in future
I think you are too worried about Future Impact. Watch a few off-meta Abyss clears (like 4* only, DPS Amber) to see you don’t always need the most hyped character at the time.
If you skip all limited pyros on your quest to C6 Furina/Nahida, you can build a Diluc, Gaming, Dehya, or Yanfei if you need a pyro option to do an off meta clear if the abyss or Imaginarium throws lots of cryo and geo shields at you. (On the way to a C6 5 star, it would be amazing luck to not have at least two standard banner pyro characters with constellations on the way.)
My highest damage Pyro on-fielder is C6 Yanfei, by the way: just too comfy to stand in the middle of a chamber with shield and spam ranged attacks.
@@studiesinflux1304 Thank you for a great explanation! I have C4 Dehya as she loves me.
love ur accent !
If I gonna c6r5 one of 4 id pick Chiori, her c6 is broken as hell. Id say Chiori has one of best c6. But ofc im f2p id pick Nahida or Xilonen, they alreay good at c0
Just Get Xilonen tbh
She's gonna be the best Meta character for next 3+ years
Also she's Hot as Heck 😍
She wont be better than the pyro or cryo archon, not even better than furina. She'll just replace kazuha
Best debuffer nihility
Your hutao xilonen furina yelan team rotation is not optimize, Xilonen burst is not require when the team is full hp(1st rotation) so hutao can stay
I’m going to get staff of Homa ive suffered enough as a hu tao main (since2021)
I was thinking of finally getting Homa but I'm afraid of getting the lamp since I don't even have Nahida 💀
I’m thinking about skipping for chiori and xilonen only because I don’t have characters I can build them with and I already have nahida so I definitely want hu tao just bc she is super cute
But xilonen is would be great for exploration I might pull on both banners idk
Well actually does anyone have any 4 star geo recommendations for chiori and xilonen?
Bc I kinda wanna pull for them both and for hu tao
R.I.P my wallet 🤭
I Am Pulling For Hu Tao C1 And Her Weapon
I am also thinking same but Ltd primos, but also one thought comes that I can also go for arlechino but I've put so much time on hu tao build that I don't feel like going for arlechino
That Changed My Mind About Pulling for Arlecchino
this is called sunk cost fallacy..
Arlecchino rerun is already being rumored, u can still use hutao in "IT" cut ur losses now
@@zultar7787 Then i Have No Choice I SHould Pull Either Hu Or Arlecchino I Saving Who Pyro DPS Is The Best?
@@GabiKunMyWaifusIsGanyu-Citlali Arlechino is more f2p friendly. Both Hutao and her are top-tier pyto dps characters but Arlechino is just better overall. She needs lesser supports and with just enough investment can solo the abyss like Neuvillete and is considered one of the best single target damage characters. Both are really op. Just pull for whoever you like more because at the end of the day it is a gacha game and unless you are a whale or have no life, you won't be able to get all characters.
Hutao with my neuvi and navia gonna kill all the enemies fr
I like your honesty about nahida place on the meta honestly, unlike certain someone who thinks nahida is top 2 characters in the game when she's not even top 4
What happen to your nose mate I'm a little worried, keep the hard work love ur videos u will consider doing zenless zone zero content?? I will love if so
I think I'll be going for both Xilonen and Chiori
I wish I could say that xD I only have 20k primos and I will have to go for that 50-50 and like you I'd like to have both but sadly I have to chose only one 😢.
@@Scultronic Wish on the weapon banner. If u get xilonens weapon go for her, if u get chioris weapon go for chiori