I've been running amsoil saber mixed at 100 to 1 for years and I absolutely love it and trying to explain it to people they think I'm crazy because they are not open minded enough to learn the quality oil doesn't need to be mixed so rich. And good job with your jetting knowledge the leaner your oil to gas ratio is the richer your fuel to air is going to be.
With my fully ported and polished cr500, cut head, on Sunoco Standard (110 octane), I run 32:1 AmsOil Interceptor. Cylinder and piston are absolutely spotless.
@@BubbaX - Interceptor is better for the power-valve. While the Dominator is a pure race oil and not ideal for pre-mix. Also the Saber is rather made for small engines.
We run 50:1 and we aren't afraid to experiment with any 2T oil. We have used several gallons of Valvolines Outboard oil(it's pretty cheap), Lucas, Maxima, Honda, Klotz, Husqvarna and Stihl. My family makes a living off of their chainsaws, mixed at 50:1 and there is no telling, at the consumer level, if one oil is better than the other. We read our spark plugs to confirm our jetting, and pop the pipe off to visually inspect the piston and bore from time to time. Your jetting is far more important for the longevity of your moving parts than which type or brand of oil you use, IMHO.
That is insanely lean no matter how good the oil is! Of course it will run good and crisp but it most definetly will be wearing out main bearings, cylinder coatings, piston, crank seals , wrist pins, needle bearings, etc.... Oil is the cheapest thing to make your engine last, use good oil and let it smoke a bit. 32:1-40:1 is the max I would go and thats with spot on jetting!
Never had problems with 50:1. I don't know how people think manufacturer's engineers don't know their equipment. Outboards have used 1:100 for a couple of decades!
I just got a 2002 cr80. If I had to gues it would have the stock jetting. The guy I bought it from said he was running 40:1. What oil and ratio would you guys recommend. I am looking for a oil that I can start at 40:1 and as I get better and more on the throttle can go to 35 or 32:1 thx
I really enjoy your vids, thank u for what u do for us dirt lovers. The saber oil on the bottle says its for small handheld tools, but it is a synthetic. Even still i will be sticking with the atv specific amsoil. Keep up the good work Kyle i think your a great ambassador for the sport. Michigan trail rider
128 divided by the ratio (40, 50, etc) gives you the number of ounces of oil you need. 128 is the number of ounces in a gallon. Example: 128/40 = 3.2 ounces of oil. 128/60 = 2.13 ounces.
Hey Kyle - I really enjoy your vids (more so when you're out riding single-track). Never in the history of the internet has anyone posted anything about oil and avoided a crazy controversy. Always fun to read the comments tho. ;-p
I run Yamalube 2R (Heard from a couple long time mechanics it's the cleanest burning after many years of motor rebuilds) in my 2016 KTM 300 xc at the recommended by manufacturer 60:1... I love your channel! Can't get enough and keep up the good work! Talking about premix really opens up a can of worms huh? haha
I have stuck to racing castor oil (various brands) for over 47 yrs. Least amount of wear and most power. Even the 4-point ball tests (wear) and dyno testing prove this too.... 36:1 is the ratio I generally use but yes if want the LEAST amount of wear castor oil is absolutely the best. The newer racing castors are "degummed" making it even better. Maxima puts out the 927 which is a castor blend. I would recommend that too. Keep in mind if you start "thinning" out your oil too much you lose "ring seal" and power. The owner of Maxima had a real good article on "ring seal" and oil with dyno results at various ratios and found out people were diluting their oil ratios too much today. 40:1 seem to produce the best dyno results with the least wear.
I do agree with your comments about 40:1 ratio. 👍 With 50:1 u still get a good top end lubrication, piston and ring seal but, bottom crankshaft, and crankshaft bearings will not have enough lubrication, that way crankshaft will start to overheat, and bearings running dry will wear out really quickly... My thinking is why oil companies "advice" to run 50:1 ratio, simply because lower emissions.... I personally only use JESO FD rated oils, and only 40:1 ratio. What is cheaper, a dash off 2T engine oil, or a full engine rebuild???
Been running Amsoil Dominator for awhile now 12oz 5 gal of fuel. Going to switch to Sabre once last quart is gone. Spot on with your information! Keep the videos coming.
+Kirk Nelson Thanks for paying attention and supporting the channel. I feel like there are a lot of confused dudes out there, as I take time to read through some of the comments on here.
I just run good old yamalube in my YZ 125 at 32:1 seeing as these small bore two strokes are just single ring and spend generally more time in the higher rpms. When I upgrade to a big bore bike I'll run a little richer (on gas) and switch to a synthetic.
Hi Kyle on this subject I have ran this oil for the past three years at 80 to 1 I do my rings every 50 hours and I have had no trouble with anything I live in far north Queensland where it’s very hot and I find the oil very good thanks for your videos 👍
Years ago I was running Bel-Ray MC1+ @ 50:1 and though it worked o.k. in my bigger bikes, the 100's and 125's were seizing up on a regular basis. While @ Wetzel Suzuki/Husqvana up in northern Ohio during a Christmas vacation, the shop's owner told me about Maxima 927 Castor (the degummed stuff), saying all the factory teams were using it @ 32:1. I bought some and tried it. Later I started calling (Pro Circuit, FMF's Donnie Emler, D&G Racing, Bill;s Pipes, Harry Klemm @ Klemm Research and others) and found out that Mr. Wetzel was right on the money, they were all using it @ 32:1. I tune my 2 strokes right to the edge of insanity and have had ZERO failures of any kind with any of them since! Coincidentally, it's maker is Dick Lechien, father of ex-Kawasaki SX/MX factory racer Ronnie Lechien! : )'
I do not know if you ever heard of Jan Thiel? his testing on de Aprilia RSA 125 GP bikes proved that 1:18 was the best in performance. maybe for a mx bike you will not rev constantly on 11.000 rpm plus so bit less would do but that depends on your use.
14 300xc - Kolts synthetic or castor blend techniplate. I will mix 60:1 for trails with a little spoolage at mostly grunting over rocks, 50:1 in sand and my Timbersled because i'm always on D-pipe!
01 Cr250, 91 octane top tier gas, stabilizer, 8 oz of octane booster per gallon, and either lucas oil, klotz, or honda 2 smoke oil. Mixed between 32:1-40:1
With 450 hours on my beta 300 running this oil I can say it works. top end every 150 hours and piston looks great every time. this is a my cross county and Enduro race bike so it gets beat on pretty hard too.
Running Amsoil Interceptor in my 08 Husqvarna WR250 at 50:1 with proper jetting and the engine runs like a charm, burns very clean. Also running interceptor in my 96 seadoo xp800 for at least 8 years and no problems. Three years ago got rid of oil injection pump and start to premix at 40:1. No problem what so ever. Was thinking of trying Saber at 100:1 but that low amount of oil scares me. Gonna stick with Interceptor.
the amsoil saber is safe to run anywhere 32:1 to 100:1 if your not comfortable running 100:1. amsoil also has smaller size pillow packs which are perfect for putting a pack into 1 gallon if thats your thing aswell
I had best results at 85-1 in small power equipment, any more oil and the engine would drag. Never had any problem with piston seizure or soot loading in the muffler. Running a chainsaw is a lot like a bike at WOT in a thick log.
i got it thank you for the quick response. amsoil is a very good product that's what im going to use there bottles take out that extra step all you have to do is pour and your done. well thanks for the video. keep riding
best oil I've found that is excellent for bikes. outboard motors. or snowmobiles is she'll advanced 100 percent synthetic oil. after 100 hours on my 07 kx250 measured up the piston n ring gap and like new. my power valve on the exhaust stayed perfectly clean even on my 98 srx700 a sled known for sticky power valves.
+Dirt Bike Channel I think it's good very informative on how to mix the proper oil to gas ratio for the ktm, like you said " not all bikes are the same but they are similar!"
+Moto madness Yes and it really comes down to which oil you are running in the gas. Some oils need to be mixed at 40:1 to have enough lubrication. Others can be mixed at 100:1 and still have enough coverage.
Hi there. It’s funny how everyone hating on this ratio is too scared to actually use it( so who cares about their opinion) I’ve been using it in my TM 300 en 2016 if great results! Just wondering what you did to your jetting to dial it in a bit better, I don’t really want to drop my pilot down anymore and was thinking of leaning it out a touch with the clip and air screw. It’s definitely running a tad richer now with less oil.
I've been learning a lot about premix ratio's lately and have learned that i've been running my bike SUPER lean with a 20:1 ratio. Which is crazy for my 97' RM250, but I was going off manufacture spec, but they're assuming i'm riding flat out on a motocross track so i'll be trying a 80:1 mix next time since I generally trail ride and don't need to worry about that extra cylinder lubrication.
+Gnarlington I have the same bike and original owners manual; calls for 32:1 but keep in mind that is 1997 oil and for motocross flat out use. You could probably go leaner but I don't like riscing it so I found a happy middle that works for me, 50:1 ( track and trail riding)
steuilsancho Thanks for the information. A friend of mine suggested 20:1, but considering he had been out of the game for a long time it's obviously changed over the years. I ride manly offroad and enduro so i'll stick with 50:1
As soon as I finish my Motorex, I'm trying the Amsoil. I've got a bottle of the Amsoil standing by and have to finish up the gas I currently have mixed with the Motorex.
I run Yamalube 2r 32:1 in my 03 yz125, though I might start mixing separate tanks for woods and track cuz its can get a little gummed up in the woods. I'm also thinking of giving motorex a try. Tried the yamalube at 28:1 one time in the yard (got a decent sized yard) and it fouled the plug in 5 mins
Now with all the EFI bikes having a designated oil tank, have you gone back to the Motorex or considered it because it seems like it would be easier just to grab one bottle of Motorex instead of a couple or few bottles of Amsoil.
KTM 300 at 50:1, using cheap Valvoline racing oil with no issues at all and it makes the exhaust smell excellent haha! Used to use various 2 stroke outboard oils but I seemed to always foul plugs?
I ran the Saber but I still did it at 50:1 which is what my GasGas calls for in the manual. This video is old, if you answer any issues with running it with so much less oil?
Thanks much. As an Amsoil Dealer my preferred registered discount customers who use it, love it. I have one client who is a tree service and he’s mixing 90:1.
I use Klotz. But then again, I don't have anything with a power valve. It's all air cooled in my garage. (Yamaha Blaster, PW80, and Honda CR480R. Plus a 2 stroke snow blower and lawn mower ;)
When I picked up my KX100 the previous owner told me they always ran it at 40, manual calls for 32 but said it ran a little burrona (slugish I believe is the translation). I trail ride about 98% of the time. The premix they told me they really liked is a 40, just curious what your opinion is for trail riding would be.
daym. ive always used 40:1 on motul 800 my 2 strokes and theyve never had a problem. this is also the same as everyone else i know. it seems way too lean for you guys to use 90:1. just cant get my head around that. but if it works then it works
There are three main types of oil. Mineral, comes from crude oil, Castor comes from soy beans, Ester is vegetable base. One Dyno test on motocross bikes showed that the most horsepower is produced at 16:1 ratio. Hardly anyone can keep the motor screaming consistently to have the exhaust temperatures high enough to burn the excess oil and run that ratio. Oil ratio is almost directly proportional with RPM. There are some cart engines that run 5:1 ratio, but consistently run at 20,000 rpms and they don't have piston rings. The oil just flashes through the motor at that rpm so you need more. Large bore trail bikes and more so, trials bikes, are spending a lot of time at low RPM's so lean ratios make sense. The oil sits in the engine longer before it's burnt. Lawn equipment and chain saws are ported to run at a fairly low rpm even at full throttle. 60:1 or leaner ratios are possible. Bean oil has been shown to offer the best protection (Blendzall, 927, Castrol and Klotz Benol to name a few). But it still tends to leave more residue than other oils. Ester oils have been shown to run the cleanest and it's a polar molecule so it sticks to the metal like a refrigerator magnet. When Maxima came out with their K2 ester, they did extensive testing to make sure it lubricated at least as well at 927 and it wasn't easy to do. All of the modern POA (polyalphaolefin) synthetic oils like Amsoil, Honda HP2, which are a mineral base, lubricate real well and run clean. I run my 125 vintage motocross bikes at 20:1 with Blendzall or 927 and never have had a problem. I ride it like the throttle is duck-taped wide open. I run my 300 off-road bike at 40:1 with Amsoil interceptor. I could go leaner like 50:1 but I like the idea of more protection if the plug looks clean. No science there. I had an 05 YZ 250 that I ran for 10 years, at least 50 times a year, with Amsoil Interceptor and never had to change a piston or ring, every time I took it apart to change, it specked out fine, it was my mission to kill that motor and I couldn't. Experience has taught me that Amsoil Dominator doesn't like to be run 32:1 in Yamaha's or Honda's, they will start to run like the plug is fouling. Real weird symptoms. The oil doesn't burn out as easy as others and accumulates, and their jetting is real sensitive to it. I hope that helps someone choose their oil and ratios with more insight.
Please tell me that's the Yamaha 250 fx in the video...really keen to hear your thoughts on it. I've heard it's a great bike and out competes everything in its class.
I have been interested in trying AmsOil as of late and loved the video! The only question I have is regarding the Saber oils applications. On their website it suggests that the Saber Oil is best for hand held 2-stroke devices but not limited to those, and the Interceptor oil is best for 2-stroke motorcycles, jetskis, snowmobiles etc. Did you talk with anyone at amsoil prior to switching to the saber oil or have any feedback explaining that it was acceptable for motorcycle use? Thanks for all of your great videos and keep them coming!
@@DirtBikeChannel But how many hrs are you putting on bikes? A bottom end, properly lubed can last for 500-1000 miles depending on the user. A bottom end not properly lubed could last 250-500m. Longer than you keep your bikes. So everything might seem great. but what about those other 500 miles? that would be my concern.
I'm curious why you are running Saber lawn & garden oil instead of Dominator or Interceptor like Amsoil recommends? The TH-cam algorithm seems to be trying to convince me to start using Saber as I keep getting videos recommending it. Aside from it being blue which I definitely prefer for pre-mix, it seems like the other two types would be better?
In my RM250 I use Exol Optima Racing 2-stroke @ 40:1. It costs ~£25 for 5 litres. I've been using it all year. No spooging, has an innocuous smell and is the cheapest full-syn Jaso FD oil I can find. Used to use Silkolene but that was ~£12/L
+sebastian clausen Mine says 32:1. I use 40:1 because I don't run mine flat out all the time (gncc/enduro/HnH)and tweaked the jets to suit (39pilot). It'll load up and spooge easier when I putt around the woods @32:1. Saying that, I do squirm when i'm flat out in 5th for long stretches and back off a touch when I feel sympathetic.
Did you ever hear something about2 Stroke oil for watercooled engines? Like Outboarder for boats. A guy i know told me, that he uses this Special oil, because it fully burns together with the gasoline and has a better lubrication at low temperatures. I don't know what to think about this, but it seems to be a real Thing. He uses his for may years now.
I know this is old video but great info. I was wondering if you can answer a question for me if you know. I have a stock banshee with aftermarket pipes on it. I run Maxima Super M what is the best Ratio with this oil on a banshee do you know? Thanks for any help have great day
AMSOIL Interceptor is the one to use at 50:1. See my 2/25/20 note. You can check it out here: www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/2-stroke/interceptor-synthetic-2-stroke-oil/?code=AITQT-EA?zo=5094603
By running less oil you might have less power because you lose ring seal probabilities. Ask a engine builder I was informed that once. I like to run the castor oil 927 because it smells so darn good, I even run it in my weed wacker.
+Dirt Bike Channel hey love your channel you seem like a super nice guy I love watching you talk about riding and all that goes into it. but at 3:00 if your running a thicker ratio like running 32:1 vs running 60:1 the more oil won't make it leaner it'll only make it smoke more and foul More plugs
Because there is more oil in the gasoline mixture, there is less gasoline. If there is less gasoline mixing with the same amount of air in the carburator, your air/fuel mix is leaned out. A buddy toasted a bearing on a fairly new 99 KX250 before we learned that lesson. The oil part of the mix doesn't figure in to the air/fuel ratio. Remember he is talking about two different ratios. Oil/Fuel for mixing and air/fuel inside the carburetor.
always start with your altitude then see what type of rider you are more oil mix for heavy handed drivers and less oil mix for cruising around if you mix to much oil and drive slow you will gunk your plug not enough oil will result in a blown piston 40 to 1 is average .
Oil topics are always funny, when guys show their distrust against manufacturers and their engineers :D 70's came and went, some people haven't noticed
hay there Kyle It's Joel I made a new channel I might start posting videos on this channel I don't know if you care or not but you are one of my favorite youtubers so I thought I would let you know Keep up the good work on your videos.
How many hours are you getting out of a top end? I know Jeff Slavens recommends this oil but I’m kind of hesitant because saber is for small yard equipment.
I ran 28:1 with motul 800 on my 2008 rm supermini(105) and never had a problem. With maxima super m I blew 3 motors with 32:1, so I can't trust maxima anymore
You are the second person on TH-cam, both trail riding 300 KTMs, that run Amsoil Saber. I am curious as to why run Saber vs Dominator? Saber is a small engine specific oil vs Dominator which is atv/dirtbike specific. I noticed a lot of comments about different ratios for different bikes but I think the ratio is more dependent on the oil manufacturers recommendation. Different oils have different characteristics which will effect what ratio is required. Type of riding will make difference also.
+Jamie Hill No reason, other than a recommendation from a friend. I've been very happy with the Saber. I have about 100 hours on 2 engines with this oil.
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I've been running amsoil saber mixed at 100 to 1 for years and I absolutely love it and trying to explain it to people they think I'm crazy because they are not open minded enough to learn the quality oil doesn't need to be mixed so rich. And good job with your jetting knowledge the leaner your oil to gas ratio is the richer your fuel to air is going to be.
With my fully ported and polished cr500, cut head, on Sunoco Standard (110 octane), I run 32:1 AmsOil Interceptor. Cylinder and piston are absolutely spotless.
Why not run dominator? (Genouinly curious)
@@BubbaX - Interceptor is better for the power-valve. While the Dominator is a pure race oil and not ideal for pre-mix.
Also the Saber is rather made for small engines.
We run 50:1 and we aren't afraid to experiment with any 2T oil. We have used several gallons of Valvolines Outboard oil(it's pretty cheap), Lucas, Maxima, Honda, Klotz, Husqvarna and Stihl. My family makes a living off of their chainsaws, mixed at 50:1 and there is no telling, at the consumer level, if one oil is better than the other. We read our spark plugs to confirm our jetting, and pop the pipe off to visually inspect the piston and bore from time to time. Your jetting is far more important for the longevity of your moving parts than which type or brand of oil you use, IMHO.
hae honda hp2 oils 32.1 ok scaeffer s oils 900 2 stroke of gastrol 927 ok hp ultra ok
That is insanely lean no matter how good the oil is!
Of course it will run good and crisp but it most definetly will be wearing out main bearings, cylinder coatings, piston, crank seals , wrist pins, needle bearings, etc.... Oil is the cheapest thing to make your engine last, use good oil and let it smoke a bit. 32:1-40:1 is the max I would go and thats with spot on jetting!
@biker mike idiot
Never had problems with 50:1. I don't know how people think manufacturer's engineers don't know their equipment. Outboards have used 1:100 for a couple of decades!
I just got a 2002 cr80. If I had to gues it would have the stock jetting. The guy I bought it from said he was running 40:1. What oil and ratio would you guys recommend. I am looking for a oil that I can start at 40:1 and as I get better and more on the throttle can go to 35 or 32:1 thx
I really enjoy your vids, thank u for what u do for us dirt lovers. The saber oil on the bottle says its for small handheld tools, but it is a synthetic. Even still i will be sticking with the atv specific amsoil. Keep up the good work Kyle i think your a great ambassador for the sport.
Michigan trail rider
128 divided by the ratio (40, 50, etc) gives you the number of ounces of oil you need. 128 is the number of ounces in a gallon. Example: 128/40 = 3.2 ounces of oil. 128/60 = 2.13 ounces.
Thankyou
Hey Kyle - I really enjoy your vids (more so when you're out riding single-track). Never in the history of the internet has anyone posted anything about oil and avoided a crazy controversy. Always fun to read the comments tho. ;-p
I run Yamalube 2R (Heard from a couple long time mechanics it's the cleanest burning after many years of motor rebuilds) in my 2016 KTM 300 xc at the recommended by manufacturer 60:1... I love your channel! Can't get enough and keep up the good work! Talking about premix really opens up a can of worms huh? haha
I have stuck to racing castor oil (various brands) for over 47 yrs. Least amount of wear and most power. Even the 4-point ball tests (wear) and dyno testing prove this too.... 36:1 is the ratio I generally use but yes if want the LEAST amount of wear castor oil is absolutely the best. The newer racing castors are "degummed" making it even better. Maxima puts out the 927 which is a castor blend. I would recommend that too. Keep in mind if you start "thinning" out your oil too much you lose "ring seal" and power. The owner of Maxima had a real good article on "ring seal" and oil with dyno results at various ratios and found out people were diluting their oil ratios too much today. 40:1 seem to produce the best dyno results with the least wear.
I do agree with your comments about 40:1 ratio. 👍
With 50:1 u still get a good top end lubrication, piston and ring seal but, bottom crankshaft, and crankshaft bearings will not have enough lubrication, that way crankshaft will start to overheat, and bearings running dry will wear out really quickly...
My thinking is why oil companies "advice" to run 50:1 ratio, simply because lower emissions....
I personally only use JESO FD rated oils, and only 40:1 ratio.
What is cheaper, a dash off 2T engine oil, or a full engine rebuild???
Been running Amsoil Dominator for awhile now 12oz 5 gal of fuel. Going to switch to Sabre once last quart is gone. Spot on with your information! Keep the videos coming.
+Kirk Nelson Thanks for paying attention and supporting the channel. I feel like there are a lot of confused dudes out there, as I take time to read through some of the comments on here.
I run my 300 EXC at 60:1 with Motul 800 and I'm very satisfied with it
I just run good old yamalube in my YZ 125 at 32:1 seeing as these small bore two strokes are just single ring and spend generally more time in the higher rpms. When I upgrade to a big bore bike I'll run a little richer (on gas) and switch to a synthetic.
Hi Kyle on this subject I have ran this oil for the past three years at 80 to 1 I do my rings every 50 hours and I have had no trouble with anything I live in far north Queensland where it’s very hot and I find the oil very good thanks for your videos 👍
Years ago I was running Bel-Ray MC1+ @ 50:1 and though it worked o.k. in my bigger bikes, the 100's and 125's were seizing up on a regular basis. While @ Wetzel Suzuki/Husqvana up in northern Ohio during a Christmas vacation, the shop's owner told me about Maxima 927 Castor (the degummed stuff), saying all the factory teams were using it @ 32:1. I bought some and tried it. Later I started calling (Pro Circuit, FMF's Donnie Emler, D&G Racing, Bill;s Pipes, Harry Klemm @ Klemm Research and others) and found out that Mr. Wetzel was right on the money, they were all using it @ 32:1. I tune my 2 strokes right to the edge of insanity and have had ZERO failures of any kind with any of them since! Coincidentally, it's maker is Dick Lechien, father of ex-Kawasaki SX/MX factory racer Ronnie Lechien! : )'
I do not know if you ever heard of Jan Thiel? his testing on de Aprilia RSA 125 GP bikes proved that 1:18 was the best in performance. maybe for a mx bike you will not rev constantly on 11.000 rpm plus so bit less would do but that depends on your use.
14 300xc - Kolts synthetic or castor blend techniplate. I will mix 60:1 for trails with a little spoolage at mostly grunting over rocks, 50:1 in sand and my Timbersled because i'm always on D-pipe!
25 ml/ Liter = perfect ! so 8 liter x25 ml = 200 ! Enjoy it , i use Putoline MX 5 on my Suzuki rm 250 , very good
01 Cr250, 91 octane top tier gas, stabilizer, 8 oz of octane booster per gallon, and either lucas oil, klotz, or honda 2 smoke oil. Mixed between 32:1-40:1
Motorex 2t 50:1 in my 1997 Ktm 300MXC. Thanks for the great informative videos Kyle!
+David Pellum that is 25 grams per litter gasoline ?
50:1 = 100ml/5L
With 450 hours on my beta 300 running this oil I can say it works. top end every 150 hours and piston looks great every time. this is a my cross county and Enduro race bike so it gets beat on pretty hard too.
Running Amsoil Interceptor in my 08 Husqvarna WR250 at 50:1 with proper jetting and the engine runs like a charm, burns very clean. Also running interceptor in my 96 seadoo xp800 for at least 8 years and no problems. Three years ago got rid of oil injection pump and start to premix at 40:1. No problem what so ever. Was thinking of trying Saber at 100:1 but that low amount of oil scares me. Gonna stick with Interceptor.
100:1 wtf? I always use 32:1
The oil you use dictates the mix you can run.
Chaz Driver it depends for me i run 40:1 or 32:1
the amsoil saber is safe to run anywhere 32:1 to 100:1 if your not comfortable running 100:1.
amsoil also has smaller size pillow packs which are perfect for putting a pack into 1 gallon if thats your thing aswell
Are u running the same stuff in your yz 250x?
I had best results at 85-1 in small power equipment, any more oil and the engine would drag. Never had any problem with piston seizure or soot loading in the muffler. Running a chainsaw is a lot like a bike at WOT in a thick log.
Hey Kyle. Great channel. Been watching for years. Are you still running the saber in your ktm's? have you changed since this video? Thanks Mac
I never realized that different oils run at different ratios. That must be some good oil to run it at 100:1!
I had run Saber for more than 30 years on all my bikes. No issues!! Damm Milleniums!!!
i got it thank you for the quick response. amsoil is a very good product that's what im going to use there bottles take out that extra step all you have to do is pour and your done. well thanks for the video. keep riding
We run stihl oil in all our 2 stroks, chainsaws, bikes, old snowmobiles, etc,it all works fine. All 50-1 mix, like the ams oil its pre measured
I use 93 octane ethanol free mixed with 50-1 Champion Water Pumper premix. Never had an issue.
We run amsoil dominator mixed at 55:1 in our bikes. 1993 Husqvarna wxc250
1990 kx80
2000 kx80
2002 cr80
Maxima Super M @ 32:1 in a YZ250. Runs great. Burns clean.
+87and66 same but 40:1 in my KTM 250xc. love Maxima
Exact same I'm running
I run my 98 rm 250 at 40:1 with ams oil Dom. Spits oil a lot but I won't have to worry about rebuilding for a while
best oil I've found that is excellent for bikes. outboard motors. or snowmobiles is she'll advanced 100 percent synthetic oil. after 100 hours on my 07 kx250 measured up the piston n ring gap and like new. my power valve on the exhaust stayed perfectly clean even on my 98 srx700 a sled known for sticky power valves.
Such a good video very straight forward!
+Moto madness Based on the comments, people are pretty confused. Might need to do a follow video!
+Dirt Bike Channel I think it's good very informative on how to mix the proper oil to gas ratio for the ktm, like you said " not all bikes are the same but they are similar!"
+Moto madness Yes and it really comes down to which oil you are running in the gas. Some oils need to be mixed at 40:1 to have enough lubrication. Others can be mixed at 100:1 and still have enough coverage.
+Dirt Bike Channel very true!! Great advice!
Do u understand how oil migration works? I mean you are wearing your parts out faster at 80-1 and losing power its been dyno proven!
GOLDEN SPECTRO AT 50-1 FOR ALL MY OLDER 2 STROKE DIRTBIKES I RODE BACK IN THE 80S. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
Hi there. It’s funny how everyone hating on this ratio is too scared to actually use it( so who cares about their opinion) I’ve been using it in my TM 300 en 2016 if great results! Just wondering what you did to your jetting to dial it in a bit better, I don’t really want to drop my pilot down anymore and was thinking of leaning it out a touch with the clip and air screw. It’s definitely running a tad richer now with less oil.
Kdx 200, I use the manuals recommendation of 32:1.
In my Ktm 250 exc I run Klotz Benol at 50:1 with a 50/50 mix of 87 pump/110 leaded fuel.
I run castor in all of my bikes at 32:1 but I got my first ktm today and I will be running aimsoil at 90:1 after the research done today.
I've been learning a lot about premix ratio's lately and have learned that i've been running my bike SUPER lean with a 20:1 ratio. Which is crazy for my 97' RM250, but I was going off manufacture spec, but they're assuming i'm riding flat out on a motocross track so i'll be trying a 80:1 mix next time since I generally trail ride and don't need to worry about that extra cylinder lubrication.
+ YOU GOT IT ALL ASS BACKWARDS 20:1[ RICH] IS 4X MORE OIL THAN 80:1[ MUCHLEANER] WITH TODAYS OILS 20:1 IS WAY MORE OIL THAN NECESSARY Gnarlington
I meant rich and got them backwards. Thanks for pointing that out for me, Troy.
+Marek Sumguy Previous owner. I haven't had a two stroke since I was a kid so I'm relearning this stuff. After fouling a few plugs I jumped up to 40:1
+Gnarlington I have the same bike and original owners manual; calls for 32:1 but keep in mind that is 1997 oil and for motocross flat out use. You could probably go leaner but I don't like riscing it so I found a happy middle that works for me, 50:1 ( track and trail riding)
steuilsancho Thanks for the information. A friend of mine suggested 20:1, but considering he had been out of the game for a long time it's obviously changed over the years.
I ride manly offroad and enduro so i'll stick with 50:1
As soon as I finish my Motorex, I'm trying the Amsoil. I've got a bottle of the Amsoil standing by and have to finish up the gas I currently have mixed with the Motorex.
+Mark Tegeder I think you'll like it. I've had ZERO issues and have used it on two bikes for about 100 hours so far.
I run Yamalube 2r 32:1 in my 03 yz125, though I might start mixing separate tanks for woods and track cuz its can get a little gummed up in the woods. I'm also thinking of giving motorex a try. Tried the yamalube at 28:1 one time in the yard (got a decent sized yard) and it fouled the plug in 5 mins
I would recommend castor 927 40:1 it won’t gum up as bad and has very good lubrication properties
I use klots r50, I run a 40:1 mix ration and run a super lean 113 main jet in my lectron cab
Now with all the EFI bikes having a designated oil tank, have you gone back to the Motorex or considered it because it seems like it would be easier just to grab one bottle of Motorex instead of a couple or few bottles of Amsoil.
KTM 300 at 50:1, using cheap Valvoline racing oil with no issues at all and it makes the exhaust smell excellent haha! Used to use various 2 stroke outboard oils but I seemed to always foul plugs?
I ran the Saber but I still did it at 50:1 which is what my GasGas calls for in the manual. This video is old, if you answer any issues with running it with so much less oil?
I run my yz125 at 40:1 spectro premix runs great:)
Thanks much. As an Amsoil Dealer my preferred registered discount customers who use it, love it. I have one client who is a tree service and he’s mixing 90:1.
I use Klotz. But then again, I don't have anything with a power valve. It's all air cooled in my garage. (Yamaha Blaster, PW80, and Honda CR480R. Plus a 2 stroke snow blower and lawn mower ;)
I run my 1995 kawasaki kx80 on castrol 2stroke oil and i run it 32:1. It has okay compression and it some just a little bit.
Finally somebody that explains that more oil means running leaner. Thank you for giving the right info.
You are welcome.
@@DirtBikeChannel with what? bullocks
But now you know still know nothing. Carburettor setting is make it leaner or richer.......
I currently run Petro-Canada Outboard TC-W3 oil at 40:1 in my yamaha DT125R. But any other oil is fine too.
Been using Yama lube at 40:1 in my 2008 yz250 for years and only been through one top end after all types of riding.
+dirtbikernv Very nice.
Amsoil Dominator all the way. But, Spectro SX is good also. Same can be said for Maxima Formula K. But, I currently run VP T2. Already mixed 40:1
When I picked up my KX100 the previous owner told me they always ran it at 40, manual calls for 32 but said it ran a little burrona (slugish I believe is the translation). I trail ride about 98% of the time. The premix they told me they really liked is a 40, just curious what your opinion is for trail riding would be.
Nice helmet and I use cross power 2t fully synthetic
daym. ive always used 40:1 on motul 800 my 2 strokes and theyve never had a problem. this is also the same as everyone else i know. it seems way too lean for you guys to use 90:1. just cant get my head around that. but if it works then it works
+UnKn0Wn156 Different oils require different mixtures.
Hey Kyle, have you had the chance to use the AMSOIL Saber with the Beta 300RR oil injection? If so how has it worked out?
Kyle are you still running the saber at 90:1? If have you had any issues?
What kind of gas do you recommend for 300XCW? Should we be using ethanol free or a certain octane?
+dirt bike channel hey you should try maxima castor it works really good and it has an additive that protect the engine and makes it last more
There are three main types of oil. Mineral, comes from crude oil, Castor comes from soy beans, Ester is vegetable base. One Dyno test on motocross bikes showed that the most horsepower is produced at 16:1 ratio. Hardly anyone can keep the motor screaming consistently to have the exhaust temperatures high enough to burn the excess oil and run that ratio. Oil ratio is almost directly proportional with RPM. There are some cart engines that run 5:1 ratio, but consistently run at 20,000 rpms and they don't have piston rings. The oil just flashes through the motor at that rpm so you need more. Large bore trail bikes and more so, trials bikes, are spending a lot of time at low RPM's so lean ratios make sense. The oil sits in the engine longer before it's burnt. Lawn equipment and chain saws are ported to run at a fairly low rpm even at full throttle. 60:1 or leaner ratios are possible. Bean oil has been shown to offer the best protection (Blendzall, 927, Castrol and Klotz Benol to name a few). But it still tends to leave more residue than other oils. Ester oils have been shown to run the cleanest and it's a polar molecule so it sticks to the metal like a refrigerator magnet. When Maxima came out with their K2 ester, they did extensive testing to make sure it lubricated at least as well at 927 and it wasn't easy to do. All of the modern POA (polyalphaolefin) synthetic oils like Amsoil, Honda HP2, which are a mineral base, lubricate real well and run clean. I run my 125 vintage motocross bikes at 20:1 with Blendzall or 927 and never have had a problem. I ride it like the throttle is duck-taped wide open. I run my 300 off-road bike at 40:1 with Amsoil interceptor. I could go leaner like 50:1 but I like the idea of more protection if the plug looks clean. No science there. I had an 05 YZ 250 that I ran for 10 years, at least 50 times a year, with Amsoil Interceptor and never had to change a piston or ring, every time I took it apart to change, it specked out fine, it was my mission to kill that motor and I couldn't. Experience has taught me that Amsoil Dominator doesn't like to be run 32:1 in Yamaha's or Honda's, they will start to run like the plug is fouling. Real weird symptoms. The oil doesn't burn out as easy as others and accumulates, and their jetting is real sensitive to it. I hope that helps someone choose their oil and ratios with more insight.
Three years later... thank for the informative post.
Please tell me that's the Yamaha 250 fx in the video...really keen to hear your thoughts on it. I've heard it's a great bike and out competes everything in its class.
+grant mcdonald No, that one is a YZ450F :(
Legend ZX2SR oil is gaining many loyal users for a good reason. Look into it.
I have been interested in trying AmsOil as of late and loved the video! The only question I have is regarding the Saber oils applications. On their website it suggests that the Saber Oil is best for hand held 2-stroke devices but not limited to those, and the Interceptor oil is best for 2-stroke motorcycles, jetskis, snowmobiles etc. Did you talk with anyone at amsoil prior to switching to the saber oil or have any feedback explaining that it was acceptable for motorcycle use? Thanks for all of your great videos and keep them coming!
+Grant Beckwith It was as recommendation by a long time motorcycle mechanic. I've been using it, with great results, ever since.
@@DirtBikeChannel But how many hrs are you putting on bikes? A bottom end, properly lubed can last for 500-1000 miles depending on the user. A bottom end not properly lubed could last 250-500m. Longer than you keep your bikes. So everything might seem great. but what about those other 500 miles? that would be my concern.
I'm curious why you are running Saber lawn & garden oil instead of Dominator or Interceptor like Amsoil recommends? The TH-cam algorithm seems to be trying to convince me to start using Saber as I keep getting videos recommending it. Aside from it being blue which I definitely prefer for pre-mix, it seems like the other two types would be better?
In my RM250 I use Exol Optima Racing 2-stroke @ 40:1. It costs ~£25 for 5 litres. I've been using it all year. No spooging, has an innocuous smell and is the cheapest full-syn Jaso FD oil I can find. Used to use Silkolene but that was ~£12/L
+jonno85uk suzuki rm 250 owners manual say 33:1/(3%), så why run less oil ? :)
+sebastian clausen Mine says 32:1. I use 40:1 because I don't run mine flat out all the time (gncc/enduro/HnH)and tweaked the jets to suit (39pilot). It'll load up and spooge easier when I putt around the woods @32:1. Saying that, I do squirm when i'm flat out in 5th for long stretches and back off a touch when I feel sympathetic.
+jonno85uk just thought u rode motocross, but if u most in the woods 40:1 i fine :)
+sebastian clausen Yeah, the RM is more suited to the track, but when it opens up I wouldn't want anything else.
Suzuki 2000 RM250 restored, 50:1 redline pre mix w 93 pump gas
Did you ever hear something about2 Stroke oil for watercooled engines? Like Outboarder for boats. A guy i know told me, that he uses this Special oil, because it fully burns together with the gasoline and has a better lubrication at low temperatures. I don't know what to think about this, but it seems to be a real Thing. He uses his for may years now.
I know this is old video but great info. I was wondering if you can answer a question for me if you know. I have a stock banshee with aftermarket pipes on it. I run Maxima Super M what is the best Ratio with this oil on a banshee do you know? Thanks for any help have great day
what do you think it will be best for hill climbing?
I use Amsoil interceptor in my ski doo 583 and I bought lucas premium 2 stroke oil for my dirt bike
AMSOIL Interceptor is the one to use at 50:1. See my 2/25/20 note. You can check it out here: www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/2-stroke/interceptor-synthetic-2-stroke-oil/?code=AITQT-EA?zo=5094603
Hi Kyle, I just picked up a 2015 KTM 250 xc. Was jus curious, what gear oil are you running in your xc ??
The 3 1/2 ounce bottle in a 2.6 gallon tank is about a 100 to 1 ratio
My 1983 EZ-GO golf cart states 128:1 .... Should i mix it with more oil ?
By running less oil you might have less power because you lose ring seal probabilities. Ask a engine builder I was informed that once. I like to run the castor oil 927 because it smells so darn good, I even run it in my weed wacker.
We run Amsoil Dominator racing oil in our 125's. Bottle says run the Dominator oil at 50:1
Then I'd certainly run it at that ratio.
+Dirt Bike Channel hey love your channel you seem like a super nice guy I love watching you talk about riding and all that goes into it. but at 3:00 if your running a thicker ratio like running 32:1 vs running 60:1 the more oil won't make it leaner it'll only make it smoke more and foul More plugs
Because there is more oil in the gasoline mixture, there is less gasoline. If there is less gasoline mixing with the same amount of air in the carburator, your air/fuel mix is leaned out. A buddy toasted a bearing on a fairly new 99 KX250 before we learned that lesson. The oil part of the mix doesn't figure in to the air/fuel ratio. Remember he is talking about two different ratios. Oil/Fuel for mixing and air/fuel inside the carburetor.
always start with your altitude then see what type of rider you are more oil mix for heavy handed drivers and less oil mix for cruising around if you mix to much oil and drive slow you will gunk your plug not enough oil will result in a blown piston 40 to 1 is average .
I have a ktm 250sx 2013 how much oil should I use when I fill up my tank what oil is Better AMS,Moltu, or cross power
Have you used Amsoil Dominator 2 stroke racing oil?
Not with my vintage cast iron sleeved cylinders with the pistons at $200 each.
I have heard from a friend that Stihl 2-stroke oil burns dirty. Is the Stihl oil not recommended for a KTM 50 Mini? Thank you!
Should I use mineral or fully synthetic 2 stroke oil in my 1999 sherco 125 and at what ratio?
Oil topics are always funny, when guys show their distrust against manufacturers and their engineers :D 70's came and went, some people haven't noticed
I run Yamalube at 32:1 in my kx85
I see you teasing that YZ 450F review
Saber @ 70:1 for me, as per recommendation of a dude who runs a bike shop and has been using it for YEARS with zero issue.
hay there Kyle It's Joel I made a new channel I might start posting videos on this channel I don't know if you care or not but you are one of my favorite youtubers so I thought I would let you know Keep up the good work on your videos.
+Joel dirtbikes Thanks for the support!
Should I use mineral or fully synthetic 2 stroke oil in my 1999 sherco 125 and at what ratio
Does this really work
I run Amsoil dominator mixed 40:1 in my 2003 KTM 200sx
I use amsoil domanator at 40:1 in my KTM :D
How many hours are you getting out of a top end? I know Jeff Slavens recommends this oil but I’m kind of hesitant because saber is for small yard equipment.
Scott Aubel I had a cr250 and a ktm 300 exc and I had a good experience with this oil, but I ran it at 50:1 or 40:1
Gotta know.....my 2023 250xcw tpi says only run motorex. What do you run in your injected machines?.
for my 2.5 gallon gas tank what's the mix
I ran 28:1 with motul 800 on my 2008 rm supermini(105) and never had a problem. With maxima super m I blew 3 motors with 32:1, so I can't trust maxima anymore
Maxima 927 castor 32/1 desert 40/1 trails
You are the second person on TH-cam, both trail riding 300 KTMs, that run Amsoil Saber. I am curious as to why run Saber vs Dominator? Saber is a small engine specific oil vs Dominator which is atv/dirtbike specific. I noticed a lot of comments about different ratios for different bikes but I think the ratio is more dependent on the oil manufacturers recommendation. Different oils have different characteristics which will effect what ratio is required. Type of riding will make difference also.
+Jamie Hill No reason, other than a recommendation from a friend. I've been very happy with the Saber. I have about 100 hours on 2 engines with this oil.
I run 100 octane race gas and bel-ray at 40-1 in my 93rmx 250 with no trouble
I've been running amsoil 100 to 1 for 35 years and have never blew up a motor. Water cooled or air cooled. Amsoil is the best on the market!
What should I run in my 2004 ktm 65sx
I'm getting my ktm or Yamaha 85 in the next couple weeks or me in a week!!