I like what a friend said a long time ago, "They are about as Christian as the Devil!" That wasn't directly pointed at narcissists, but at wolves in sheep's clothing in general. Knowing them by their fruit says it all.
I dated a Christian Covert Narcissists. They 're horrible people too. He used the Bible to justify his actions and behavior. He was very controlling, manipulate and stalkerish. He was Assistant Pastor at a church. Everything he did to me was abuse. I am 30+ days of No Contact/Blocked. 😢😢😢
Thanks for sharing. Witnessing an abusive person who calls themselves a Christian and goes to church is quite something. When she was verbally abusive and threatening me, gaslighting, blameshifting and financially exploiting me she said "If you tell anyone what we're doing here no one will believe you as we're Christians". She has done it over and over to others....she is very very proud of her behaviour and she bragged she has done it all before. It really is disgusting behaviour. 🤑🥴😵💫🤥🫨🤮
My neighbor has a car with multiple I love God stickers on it. After a few conversations, she tried to manipulate and control me. She also bragged about how great she is. It didn’t long for me to see her as a narcissist. She is not a real Christian. I don’t care how many stickers she puts on her car. Just like a person can stand in a middle of a garage, it doesn’t make them a car.
When i call out his behavior, instead of taking accountability he goes and "prays for our family." "The devil is attacking and he is the only one fighting for our family." He told me i have a demon. I said yes i do. Its wearing a grey shirt, jeans and wrapped in your skin. I fiund him on a dating site for the 1,000 time. He told me, " if you believe what you see on the phone then you cant believe in God." Now he denied ever saying that. Classic. When a pastor told me i needed to be more forgiving and rationalized his lying i was so angry. This man of God has no discernment. Oh and my prayers are never powerful enough in his eyes. He was going through a relapse. Having a hard time i was attempting to comfort him. He told me to call "so and so" they are the ones who pray with power. What a schmuck He has talked for years about how God has called him to do something large. A person said the heavens opened when he was baptized. (I believe it is a false pastor) Now he is hyper focued on that. He told me that God just doesnt want to use me or touch me in ways he does others. Thank the Lord Jesus that He opened my eyes to this evil. Lord make a way to escape.
So glad you made this! I was leading a Bible fellowship and had a narcissistic friend that was only helping me so much so she could take control. She was so incredibly toxic and manipulative and would do all this nice stuff in public but be incredibly stingy and cold in private. It was so bizarre!
I was raised underneath a narcissistic Christian roof growing up and my mother especially, used her Christian faith as a way in which to abuse her 4 daughters. She still portrays at their church a very dedicated Christian persona and at home while growing up in their home she is emotionally abusive, manipulative and cruel extensively in her and our dad's discipline tactics. We grew up under an extensive amount of controlling behaviors. I don't doubt our dad being saved but, the jury I feel is still out with our mother. Yes, a Christian is known by their fruits.
Going through this exact thing right now!! My husband of almost 9 years has gaslit me into thinking he's truly a Christian, even though he's abused me this whole time, cheated, and then abandoned me and the kids 3 months ago😢. He tells ppl he did it for the good of the family.
Yes this is what my husband did to me. He told me i was called to break the generational curse of divorce and i was giving into satans lies by thinking i need to leave this marriage.
O my goodness my husband tells me the same thing, I spoke up and said me filing for a divorce with a toxic marriage | relationship and not having my kids growing up like this and teach them love and peace is breaking generational curses!!! Wow they will manipulate with everything and will have you thinking your the one wrong and maybe he is right😢
My mom! We sang in church, her mom was a preacher, I'd sincerely want to be a "good christian girl" and would pray so hard only to go home and be criticized and called hypocrite and belittled when as a child I would mess up. I was SO confused and messed up about God as an adult. It has taken years for God to peel back the layers and untwist my mind. I still resist tendencies to feel unloveable and never "good enough". People thought mom was a saint but how she could blessing and curses from the same mouth to wound her family.... my dad included. She's 90 now and I've forgiven her but the scars are there
Everything you said is so true. A wolf in sheep's clothing. Everyone taught that he was the best outside. But at home never did anything. DID MOVE FOR OTHERS THAN HIS OWN. USE RELIGION AS A COVER UP. BUT HE DIDN'T REALISE THAT GOD SEES EVERYTHING. GOD MADE AWAY AND EXPOSED HIM. NO FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT. LOVE WAS NO WERE TO BE FOUND. GOD IS LOVE ............. GOD SAW HIM AND KNEW THAT HE WASN'T TRUE TO HIS WORD. PRAISE GOD FOR HE IS THE GOD WHO SEES .
I'm a victim. It is very difficult to go for marriage counseling in church with a narcissistic spouse. The pastor will assume the person is normal and say that it takes 2 to tangle and that you are also at fault in the relationship. When you opt to leave. The pastor will discourage you saying that it is his job to mend homes and not tear them apart
Yep. My friend who is married to a covert narc has been repeatedly encouraged by her church to stay, get counselling, saying 'he can change.' She has convinced herself that he will, but I know he won't. I think she's waiting until her youngest moves out. It so sad.
I'm an elder at my church, and just recently had a talk with a church member. Me and the chairman of the elders tried to get through to the person but I just noticed the same pattern of thoughts, and attitudes I had to confront when I WAS working in a ministry, which I still love, where the boss unfortunately showed a lot of narcissistic traits. Imagine being all defensive and not seeing yourself in the wrong any way, while bullying other church members, even if the church elders are adressing the issues.
I am so glad that you did this video! Dealing with narcissistic people is difficult enough but when they are within the church and/or ministries it seems to sting more. You feel like you got sold a bill of goods regardless but when they use scripture to manipulate you according to values that you hold dear, it makes it harder to break free sooner. Financial abuse in the name of good stewardship, sexual abuse in the name of not withholding yourself from the marital bed, the list goes on. Don’t forget submission. I remember trying to point out something that would require my spouse being accountable and the response was: I”I can speak into your life about what needs to change as my wife but you have no authority to talk to me about my faults, God will deal with me.”
You are very very very accurate!!!! As portraying this Godly version of his you believe he is this person and any abuse looks like- mistake, miscommunication, sin, but never looks like Abuse!
I understand and appreciate your input about narcissism and thank you for all the warnings. I have found that I believe I have encountered narcissists, but they are so cunning and able to blend in so nicely they almost pass as normal. Seriously, they are lurking and doing their plans, and I feel sorry for people who allow themselves to be stuck in abusive relationships. Life is too short to deal with anyone who only wants to just use you. Again, thank you for sharing and you do it so well! Blessings!
This was SO helpful to hear. I was discarded a month ago by a narcisstic "friend" who I previously also had feelings for (complicated story). It's been a rollercoaster of a year and a half with him. After a hoover, in which I finally figured him out, and he discarded me and I've been no contact since. It's been so incredibly hard though seeing him at church and watching him get new supply, try to infiltrate more positions of power and "serve". The healing journey has been incredibly hard too cause trying to get people to understand what this was has been tricky. Definitely keep talking about this Ben because it helps people like me and the people supporting us out a lot. Especially the side where I felt like I was doing the "Christian thing" of giving him another chance during the hoover.
@@Amy.Munson34 if a person is a believer and filled with the holy spirit there ain't no way Christ going to dwell in..it comes down to..repentance..announcing your faults..accepting and forgiving another without the double life of cheating or lying..its not God's character..a Christian ought to feel compelled to tell the truth
Hypocrites is a word that comes to mind. An ex's father was a lawyer and "excellent methodist layman" as proclaimed by fellow church goers. The stories and manipulation of his that she told me we nothing more than child abuse. Psychopathy is Hell.
Whenever I tried to stand up for myself, I was given proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid. In other words, don't question what I'm telling you, just submit and listen. ( But I truly thank God for my personal relationship with God, through His Son Jesus Christ. I come to find out in my own life, that God isn't as harsh as people showed me that He is.
Seeing this with my own eyes....fortunately, I had prior knowledge of narcissism, or I would not have been able to nail it. Thank you for the confirmation.Thank God. Now, what to do about it.
I just came across your TH-cam channel - it's amazing‼️, such true and to the point statements, it's hard to believe that someone can confess" their sins" just like that. Thank you for your work ❤
Going through this now with my husband. The Church believes he's not capable of being like this. My pastor won't even believe me. It definitely drove a wedge between my relationship with God for a bit.
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This video is well done. Unfortunately while I’m listening I’m realizing it not only describes the covert narcissist that created a trauma bond in my life (who was invited into my church by my Pastor and other leadership), but also describes my Pastor. Jesus gives us the gift of discernment. Where I got blind sided in all of this was I was told repeatedly by leadership that the narcissist (who created the trauma bond) was healed and restored from a horrible crime he had recently committed. Hind sight is 20/20. I was shown large red flags from Jesus the moment I laid eyes on the narcissist. I want to encourage everyone, not to walk around paranoid, but to use the spiritual red flags and gut feelings that sometimes Jesus will use to communicate a warning to us to stay away and avoid a potentially dangerous situation. It’s not fear. It’s wisdom. God Bless, everyone.
My spouse is a narcissist, we started going to church 10 years ago, he reads the Bible everyday, and he is so much better, now he only throws fits when I am mad at him.
@@photina78If he is getting better then he never was narcissistic. Some people throw that word so easily and loosely. Narcisstic people is equal to satan, jazabel, ahab, they don't repent or even try to change. 😢
@@healthbar8439 Wrong. Talk to some mental health professionals who successfully treat people who suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, like Dr Ruth Ann Harpur, Heal NPD - Mark Ettensohn PsyD, Wendy T Behary author of Disarming The Narcissist.
I’m an atheist personally, but what truly troubles me and makes me uncomfortable are Christians who just go around assuming everyone else is a Christian or say things like “God bless you” and impose their beliefs onto everyone. That makes me uncomfortable. There are so many different religions in the world. IMO it isn’t appropriate for a Christian to just assume everyone else is a Christian simply because they are a Christian. My ex narcissist’s family identified as Christians and went to church weekly yet they were the coldest people I’ve ever known. They were never warm or loving and even slept in separate bedrooms.
@@imago9059 Actually you just proved their point and you are part of the problem with your snarky remark again referencing God when they stated they are an atheist. It was unsolicited and unnecessary. They also live their own life and have their own experiences. You don’t walk in their shoes to know what they’ve experienced. Shame on you.
Well saying someone is an atheist and sharing they don’t believe in God is not different than a Christian sharing that they believe in a God. This person didn’t force anything. See it’s about having respect for one another and treating them with dignity regardless if they believe differently. This whole channel is to expose toxicity and this response doesn’t seem healthy or respectful but Toxic. Like sharing hatred cause someone openly shared what they believe. What a terrible world to live in! I don’t know why it becomes a hostile attack when someone believes differently than the next person. Especially not knowing them personally or their history or why they believe what they believe. I share God Bless you but it doesn’t offend Me for someone to say there is no God. Peace and Love to all. The comment was irrelevant to the actual topic. If you say what you believe It’s not going to change my own beliefs so I have no reason to attack or disrespect a person when unprovoked. growth is needed here. Notice I’m not defending one or the other but the approach In some of these comments does not come from a healthy mature person. Glad you found this channel 👍
@@daniellebuckner6964 Oh I disagree. I was not at all implying Ben was forcing anything. He wasn’t. My comment wasn’t about him at all. I don’t go around bragging or just sharing to everyone that I’m an atheist. I share it on this post, but I don’t go around just sharing it to anyone and everyone in my life. But I’m also a gay man and I HAVE dealt with enough in my life from Christians imposing their beliefs onto me because of that. What if I was a Buddhist? That religion is about peace too. I am simply stating that I do not think it’s appropriate for Christians to just assume I’m another Christian simply because I live in America and they are. I simply try to live and let live. In my experience, a lot of “Christians” have a hard time just doing that. A woman in California was just murdered over a pride flag for being an ally by someone who claimed to be a follower of Christ. Plenty of people also just “assume” i am heterosexual as much as they assume I’m a “Christian” as well.
Is it instant replay time Ben? In your "How Did I Not See the Red Flags of the Narcissist? video we finished out with... "didn't like that 1 huh Ben?" and a "Didn't like what? " So I'll leave this 1 up for a few before it's gone. I think I was even 1st. Even that don't matter Jack. Only a soon-to-be bankrupt shoe-store owner keeps a pair of kicks on the shelf that don''t sell.
Hi Ben, This info is right on… The only thing is you refer to the abuser as “he” all the time though… There are Covert Female “Christian” Narcissists as well and there are many men who are having their lives destroyed by these females also… Thanks for considering changing your phrasing to include both…
I have wondered if it's normal for Christian narcissists to always post positive Bible verses and how amazing God's love is often on their social media pages. Yet barely post about anything else going on in their life or something else that's not Christian related. They appear to put on a show of how Godly they are. They never post "negative" things such as sin, discernment, righteous judging, etc. I've known a few Christians I suspect are narcissists who I thought were admirable, but as I got to know them, they showed very toxic traits. Accuse me of things I didn't do, lie, trick or manipulate me. Misunderstood something I said or posted and take it completely out of context.
He was a religious narcissist. It felt like I was part of a cult of one person. He had to go to church every Sunday. We were made to pray before every meal. There's nothing wrong with praying before your meal, but he was controlling the situation. In the end he blamed God. Spiritual abuse 💯.. So glad I can pray now with the freedom of doing it because I love God and not being controlling. ❤
I was married to one that tried to control me with making me feel like a big sinner. All this time he was a hidden porn addict teaching grade school kids and was a Sunday School. Went to prison for child porn possession. I was also raped by him with all these Christian books surrounding us in the bedroom. So the trauma of this lasted for years
My dad is the epitome of a christian narcissist.....my dad was a mask of rage 24-7,he would get into screaming arguments with people using obscenities, yet according to him,it was all a justified anger....he was a completely negative person,justified everything under religion,never tried to change or do better,he was entitled...he condemned people who watched rated R action movies yet he watched the same type of violent movies..when he watched a movie that had sex,violenceit was ok,yet he was quick to condemnif someoneelse did it....he pointed out peoples faults,but was far from perfect himself...he would justify his rage by saying "jesus got mad at the people in the temple"....the rules didnt apply to him..he twisted and used religion to,turn it to his own way of thinking...he was the final authority on everything,not the priest or even god himself....he would lie when it was convenient for him...never applied religion to his everday life,never tried to do better,was the ideal hypocrite....he talked religion 24-7,but never practiced what he preached...in 50 years he never changed in the slightest
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A Christian narcissist is just the new age term for a Pharisee. They are hypocrites and wolves in sheep’s clothing. Mark 4:12 “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” Ben is absolutely Biblically correct on everything he is speaking! Test the spirit by the Spirit, as their fruit determines what spirits are operating behind that person which results in their outward character. Judge in the Bible means to judge their character and we don’t have to judge anyone, as Proverbs has already judged the wicked person. Christianity is not a religion, yet a spiritual journey and a choice to follow Jesus. False religions divide and why there’s a rise for power, control and war. Jesus was meek and humble, he didn’t push power or wage war. God bless! ❤
My boyfriend was everything to me, he stopped having sex with me, two years later, says he wants to be married, he only pleased me once, says he feels guilty, I came down with breast cancer, he was great but again now my self esteem is at a all time low, still no love, I cant live like this, i love him but my god he needs help and i need to feel loved.
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What do you all think about seeking God as a narcissist attempting to recover? I am a covert narcissist, and I have just recently been touched by Christianity. I want to be so grateful to find God, I want to pray and give my troubles to Jesus and ask for forgiveness and work, but I am so scared of the narcissist traps - I'm scared I'm being a marter, I'm scared I'm not seeing how evil I am. Knowing God loves me makes me feel good, and I'm scared of feeling good - that it will cause me to be lazy, that I don't deserve it. Please, if anyone has any feedback, how can I come to God as a narcissist?
Currently experiencing what it’s like being in a relationship with a narcissist who is now a Christian and constantly using the Bible’s word against me.. I must “obey” and “submit” to him because the Bible says so. I don’t have a say about things because I’m too emotional & being emotional is “evil and a sin.” I thought this behavior was because of his childhood trauma and past relationships but I’m now realizing this is just who he is. He is a narcissist and I’m his vulnerable puppet. When he’s having a good day, we have a good day. When he’s having a bad day, so am I. Our relationship revolves around what he wants. I’m now seeing the truth
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I grew up with this, my brother and my mother, but the worst of all was my sister, who claims to be a Christian that alegially came to help with my disabled, dependent father and disabled mother. The abuses was so severe that i had a multitude of extremely serious health problems such as massive weight loss, loss of my teeth, colon cancer, became suicidal, and severe mental health problems to name a few.. As abuses to my father and my mother, i now had to protect. It was six years in that I finally found the name to this abuse, narrarsistict. God did show me her face as the devil early on. I did not understand gaslighting, ect. I also lost everything in a flood as she did not wake me up to tell me the river was rising. I would like to either sue my dads estate or my sister directly as it will cost over 90 k to get dental implants. Dentures do not work, i have checked every possible avenue, and this is my only way that i can get them . I hope it helps my pain as well. The severe pain i have from my gums is unbearable as i had a dental injury in my 20s. I feel this has caused so much anger and rage inside of me, from her demonic side that her demons are tying to take over me, and i dont know if suing is even the Christian thing to do. I know vengeance is my said the Lord, but I am in my early 60s, with three small grandchildren. I can't speak well, i am humiliated, and i am truly aged 40 more years. I would have run, but i was there for my father, who needed me. We were fine before she came. My mother who i am now trying to take care of, is 88, finally got to where she was going to nicely tell her to go home, but to not tell my sister what she said about her abuse, nor did she ever tell her to go home. I felt trapped. . But for my mother, she never asked me how it was effectively me or dad. I wanted to get her out by going to my father's judge many times, but i truly did not understand with all the gaslighting, me doing all the work, my father in and out of the hospital and rehabs all the time. I lived in hell, and i still feel like i am. I need real guidance and prayer.
Good video. That's just a narcissist. Word Chtistian is always thrown around by people, but if they don't follow Christ they're not Christian. You can clearly see in these people the pathology when they ask for blind submission. From all family but refuse to act like Jesus.
I filed for a divorce, from my narcissistic husband, and he has started carrying a Bible ( prop) never went to church, our 40 year marriage. We were both raised with different religious back grounds. He claims he’s a-devoted husband whom, would-never ever lie or cheat, on my me so help me God, swear to God, I’ll place my hands, on the Bible. I would never, ever do that. Because, I want to be, with you in heaven. He has been wanting, us both to go to church, to talk to a priest, to work on our marriage. I refused, he is using my refusal, as a attempt to show he’s family, he tried. I am frequently told that God, will tell me the truth when I die.
Can we talk about the the “ women” who exploit men… when a woman loses her supply in her narcissistic traits, plain and simple. She will use substances and people as her supply, and then she will discard them, and come back into your life with all the hoveriing… set some firm boundaries. and get into therapy and find your true self. men are also abused.. David
Read the passages in the bible about Jezebel and walking in the spirt is differently than walking in one's flesh...look at the cross and the conversations to jesus about saving yourself or the one who humbly knew he needed a ransom from sin..when you walk in flesh..its all about you..your a god..worship thyself and control and manipulation ..we all have those tendencies..but the narc cannot admit he's wrong or wanting compromise..its the exact opposite character
That was a great explanation - I agree. Everyone can change - but only if they ALLOW God to change them. God doesn’t force his will upon anyone. That’s why most narcs never change- they actually think they haven’t done any wrong. But they’re the first to throw stones always.
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.
My my devout Catholic wife is a clinically diagnosed covert narcissist who is it so devout to our husband. She had left me sexless for 20 years and even though she denied me sex, she has slept with a married man. Yes my devout catholic wife, who serves the host and teaches Sunday school disappeared for two weeks with the church Deacons and and actually slept with him the week I was diagnosed with cancer ♋️
A Christian narcisst does not exist, Christians have the Holy Spirit and listen to that soft loving Voice. The fruits are they are often humble and admit their wrongs. A narcisst cannot apologize, thus lives out of the flesh only because his spirit is not broken! You must be born again to understand this
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Mine was exactly this , he abused me in every way you could w/o taking my life .. he still don’t see the wrong what he did .. he’s still preaching the word but living a lie
I mean no disrespect by bringing up politics, but to me this is an elephant in the room. How do so many “Christians” support a malignant narcissist like Trump? There have been studies done showing narcissists gravitate toward Trump. I believe that is the answer and ties into this topic.
Its proof irl that most chirstians are not actually christians its sad how a politicians unintelligence is what lead to the unmasking when it was the children of the world who were begging for such an unmasking for years in futility.
Because you don't like how he acts, you will condone nutjobs, going on t.v. bad mouthing him, but wont say anything about the mindless dummy in office now. Own that!
Most politicians are highly narcissistic in nature. Bosses and CEO’s as well. Being highly narcissistic doesn’t automatically equate to being pathologically a full blown narcissist….. Like him or not Trump called out the lies and deception that is going on in the politics, media and business in our nation. He’s exactly what we needed and still very much need more of!
Yes Christians do run from this. And we are encouraged in the church to just pray for your marriage and spouse. No. God did not mean for us to be enslaved. 😢
I call it living a double life. I observe my Christian Narcissist has a Demon he wants to keep. He has admitted to never hearing from the Holy Spirit & his pride prevents sorrow & repentence. For too long I thought I was the problem. My Savior has gifted me a way to live in peace with all men. Laura Doyles Empowered Wife book is a plan to save your sanity.
17 years married with three beautiful boys all God-fearing and my ex-wife went from the church that we got married in once the pastor disagreed with her about me being the cheating type she stopped going to that church and she went to another and then the pastor and his wife both agreed that no he doesn’t seem like the cheating type. She stopped going to that church now she goes to church That they haven’t heard both sides of the story but they side with her. She says the Holy Spirit is telling her that I was cheating on her and doing all kind of bad things that I was supposed to be with a witch that had me under a spell weapon, but she doesn’t see that she’s manipulative and controlling but she said she’s a Christian, personally my life is better without her. Forgive me if I’m wrong for saying such.
Right, their fruit. I am married to one, currently in the process of divorce. He reverse discarded me so he can play the victim. I watched the whole thing unfold for years. Do they really believe they are saved are it just part of the whole nice guy facade?
Yes interested on the answer to this very important question as well please. I have wonder this a lot as my ex was a christian narcissist also and the sad part is that that was the main reason of me dating him :( I was looking for a christian partner
Narcissists lives more on words and manipulative actions than they do in authenticity. As long as they look good on the outside to people outside the home they think they are great. "Christian narcissist" is an oxymoron. One cannot have the fruit of the Spirit and still act the way a narcissist acts based on their inner black heart. Galatians 5:22-23 - "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." This fruit motivates all the actions of those controlled by Christ. Those without this fruit are motivated by their heart to act the way they do. I know many people like this and grew up in it. The culture as a whole acts like this because they go to church but do not follow Christ. There are many fakers in the church, they were never born again and changed by Christ into a new creation. These people are using religion to enhance their fake persona.
This is excellent, except for some of the language. I don't know why you think it is necessary to use it. I was preyed on by a Christian narcissist pastor who started his own church and has no accountability. It was a big lesson learned about love bombing, grooming, trauma bonding, etc.
Yet the brothers in Christ are so loving they just keep on loving the narc to the detriment of their victims. They are wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be helpful and reformed while social climbing and being predatory. Narcs know their end, but the flying monkeys are in for a big surprise.... They step up and use their faults to show false humility and gain compassion all the time, they are plastered all over the Internet helping. Just a future Prometheus. Soon all the facade will fall, a huge portion of hearts will fail. The "Christians" who kept me trapped for 25 years. I will watch and not warn them of the predators that will surround them and see their seed become fodder...
@kp153 I'm pleased for you and it seems like many other people would be better off doing so due to the harm it causes, especially to precious children who grow up hearing about the devil and hell etc, not to mention being physically assaulted going by advice from the Bible. ❤
I like what a friend said a long time ago, "They are about as Christian as the Devil!" That wasn't directly pointed at narcissists, but at wolves in sheep's clothing in general. Knowing them by their fruit says it all.
I dated a Christian Covert Narcissists. They 're horrible people too. He used the Bible to justify his actions and behavior. He was very controlling, manipulate and stalkerish. He was Assistant Pastor at a church. Everything he did to me was abuse. I am 30+ days of No Contact/Blocked. 😢😢😢
Stay strong!!!
Thanks for sharing. Witnessing an abusive person who calls themselves a Christian and goes to church is quite something. When she was verbally abusive and threatening me, gaslighting, blameshifting and financially exploiting me she said "If you tell anyone what we're doing here no one will believe you as we're Christians". She has done it over and over to others....she is very very proud of her behaviour and she bragged she has done it all before. It really is disgusting behaviour. 🤑🥴😵💫🤥🫨🤮
Mine does, too. Uses the Bible to justify his abuse!
And he's still trying to contact me. Even after I blocked 🚫 him 8 months ago. It's so sad 😞. I have moved on happy with myself.
@@mortischahicks5341 I'm so happy thar you have moved on and are happy!!! 🫶🏼❤️
My neighbor has a car with multiple I love God stickers on it. After a few conversations, she tried to manipulate and control me. She also bragged about how great she is. It didn’t long for me to see her as a narcissist.
She is not a real Christian. I don’t care how many stickers she puts on her car. Just like a person can stand in a middle of a garage, it doesn’t make them a car.
When i call out his behavior, instead of taking accountability he goes and "prays for our family." "The devil is attacking and he is the only one fighting for our family." He told me i have a demon. I said yes i do. Its wearing a grey shirt, jeans and wrapped in your skin.
I fiund him on a dating site for the 1,000 time. He told me, " if you believe what you see on the phone then you cant believe in God." Now he denied ever saying that. Classic.
When a pastor told me i needed to be more forgiving and rationalized his lying i was so angry. This man of God has no discernment.
Oh and my prayers are never powerful enough in his eyes. He was going through a relapse. Having a hard time i was attempting to comfort him. He told me to call "so and so" they are the ones who pray with power. What a schmuck
He has talked for years about how God has called him to do something large. A person said the heavens opened when he was baptized. (I believe it is a false pastor) Now he is hyper focued on that. He told me that God just doesnt want to use me or touch me in ways he does others. Thank the Lord Jesus that He opened my eyes to this evil. Lord make a way to escape.
So glad you made this! I was leading a Bible fellowship and had a narcissistic friend that was only helping me so much so she could take control. She was so incredibly toxic and manipulative and would do all this nice stuff in public but be incredibly stingy and cold in private. It was so bizarre!
I was raised underneath a narcissistic Christian roof growing up and my mother especially, used her Christian faith as a way in which to abuse her 4 daughters. She still portrays at their church a very dedicated Christian persona and at home while growing up in their home she is emotionally abusive, manipulative and cruel extensively in her and our dad's discipline tactics. We grew up under an extensive amount of controlling behaviors. I don't doubt our dad being saved but, the jury I feel is still out with our mother. Yes, a Christian is known by their fruits.
Going through this exact thing right now!! My husband of almost 9 years has gaslit me into thinking he's truly a Christian, even though he's abused me this whole time, cheated, and then abandoned me and the kids 3 months ago😢. He tells ppl he did it for the good of the family.
I'd leave
@@julietruesdell.371 he left us
Just went thru this as well
@@leijuncampbell5732 so sorry to hear that!! 🙏
My husband cheated many times and has left our family twice, we been married for 19 years, he looks great to the world but to me he is mistreating me,
Yes this is what my husband did to me. He told me i was called to break the generational curse of divorce and i was giving into satans lies by thinking i need to leave this marriage.
O my goodness my husband tells me the same thing, I spoke up and said me filing for a divorce with a toxic marriage | relationship and not having my kids growing up like this and teach them love and peace is breaking generational curses!!! Wow they will manipulate with everything and will have you thinking your the one wrong and maybe he is right😢
My mom! We sang in church, her mom was a preacher, I'd sincerely want to be a "good christian girl" and would pray so hard only to go home and be criticized and called hypocrite and belittled when as a child I would mess up. I was SO confused and messed up about God as an adult. It has taken years for God to peel back the layers and untwist my mind. I still resist tendencies to feel unloveable and never "good enough". People thought mom was a saint but how she could blessing and curses from the same mouth to wound her family.... my dad included. She's 90 now and I've forgiven her but the scars are there
Everything you said is so true.
A wolf in sheep's clothing.
Everyone taught that he was the best outside.
But at home never did anything.
DID MOVE FOR OTHERS THAN HIS OWN.
USE RELIGION AS A COVER UP.
BUT HE DIDN'T REALISE THAT GOD SEES EVERYTHING.
GOD MADE AWAY AND EXPOSED HIM.
NO FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT.
LOVE WAS NO WERE TO BE FOUND.
GOD IS LOVE .............
GOD SAW HIM AND KNEW THAT HE WASN'T TRUE TO HIS WORD.
PRAISE GOD FOR HE IS THE GOD WHO SEES .
I'm a victim. It is very difficult to go for marriage counseling in church with a narcissistic spouse. The pastor will assume the person is normal and say that it takes 2 to tangle and that you are also at fault in the relationship. When you opt to leave. The pastor will discourage you saying that it is his job to mend homes and not tear them apart
Yep. My friend who is married to a covert narc has been repeatedly encouraged by her church to stay, get counselling, saying 'he can change.' She has convinced herself that he will, but I know he won't. I think she's waiting until her youngest moves out. It so sad.
I'm an elder at my church, and just recently had a talk with a church member. Me and the chairman of the elders tried to get through to the person but I just noticed the same pattern of thoughts, and attitudes I had to confront when I WAS working in a ministry, which I still love, where the boss unfortunately showed a lot of narcissistic traits. Imagine being all defensive and not seeing yourself in the wrong any way, while bullying other church members, even if the church elders are adressing the issues.
Thank you for speaking out on this Ben!! It's much needed! By their fruits you shall know them, exactly!
I am so glad that you did this video! Dealing with narcissistic people is difficult enough but when they are within the church and/or ministries it seems to sting more. You feel like you got sold a bill of goods regardless but when they use scripture to manipulate you according to values that you hold dear, it makes it harder to break free sooner. Financial abuse in the name of good stewardship, sexual abuse in the name of not withholding yourself from the marital bed, the list goes on. Don’t forget submission. I remember trying to point out something that would require my spouse being accountable and the response was: I”I can speak into your life about what needs to change as my wife but you have no authority to talk to me about my faults, God will deal with me.”
You are very very very accurate!!!!
As portraying this Godly version of his you believe he is this person and any abuse looks like- mistake, miscommunication, sin,
but never looks like Abuse!
You’ve just won a fan for life for what you said on this video.
I understand and appreciate your input about narcissism and thank you for all the warnings. I have found that I believe I have encountered narcissists, but they are so cunning and able to blend in so nicely they almost pass as normal. Seriously, they are lurking and doing their plans, and I feel sorry for people who allow themselves to be stuck in abusive relationships. Life is too short to deal with anyone who only wants to just use you. Again, thank you for sharing and you do it so well! Blessings!
Now I spot them very quickly with the discernment God has given me. On guard and healing ..
This was SO helpful to hear. I was discarded a month ago by a narcisstic "friend" who I previously also had feelings for (complicated story). It's been a rollercoaster of a year and a half with him. After a hoover, in which I finally figured him out, and he discarded me and I've been no contact since. It's been so incredibly hard though seeing him at church and watching him get new supply, try to infiltrate more positions of power and "serve". The healing journey has been incredibly hard too cause trying to get people to understand what this was has been tricky. Definitely keep talking about this Ben because it helps people like me and the people supporting us out a lot. Especially the side where I felt like I was doing the "Christian thing" of giving him another chance during the hoover.
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Thank you for talking about this 💯 my narcissistic Christian father used religion to try to manipulate my brothers and my sister
I agree..the two cannot co exist and yes..we do make judgements based on the fruit/character
They do exist excuses Christ died for all even narcs. So they do exist they still need to change though
@@Amy.Munson34 if a person is a believer and filled with the holy spirit there ain't no way Christ going to dwell in..it comes down to..repentance..announcing your faults..accepting and forgiving another without the double life of cheating or lying..its not God's character..a Christian ought to feel compelled to tell the truth
Hypocrites is a word that comes to mind. An ex's father was a lawyer and "excellent methodist layman" as proclaimed by fellow church goers. The stories and manipulation of his that she told me we nothing more than child abuse. Psychopathy is Hell.
Whenever I tried to stand up for myself, I was given proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid.
In other words, don't question what I'm telling you, just submit and listen.
( But I truly thank God for my personal relationship with God, through His Son Jesus Christ. I come to find out in my own life, that God isn't as harsh as people showed me that He is.
There are a lot of christian narcissists.
Seeing this with my own eyes....fortunately, I had prior knowledge of narcissism, or I would not have been able to nail it. Thank you for the confirmation.Thank God. Now, what to do about it.
I just came across your TH-cam channel - it's amazing‼️, such true and to the point statements, it's hard to believe that someone can confess" their sins" just like that.
Thank you for your work ❤
Going through this now with my husband. The Church believes he's not capable of being like this. My pastor won't even believe me. It definitely drove a wedge between my relationship with God for a bit.
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This video is well done. Unfortunately while I’m listening I’m realizing it not only describes the covert narcissist that created a trauma bond in my life (who was invited into my church by my Pastor and other leadership), but also describes my Pastor. Jesus gives us the gift of discernment. Where I got blind sided in all of this was I was told repeatedly by leadership that the narcissist (who created the trauma bond) was healed and restored from a horrible crime he had recently committed.
Hind sight is 20/20. I was shown large red flags from Jesus the moment I laid eyes on the narcissist. I want to encourage everyone, not to walk around paranoid, but to use the spiritual red flags and gut feelings that sometimes Jesus will use to communicate a warning to us to stay away and avoid a potentially dangerous situation. It’s not fear. It’s wisdom. God Bless, everyone.
My spouse is a narcissist, we started going to church 10 years ago, he reads the Bible everyday, and he is so much better, now he only throws fits when I am mad at him.
😂😂😂 I'm so happy to hear he's gotten better from church and staying in the Word!
@@photina78If he is getting better then he never was narcissistic. Some people throw that word so easily and loosely. Narcisstic people is equal to satan, jazabel, ahab, they don't repent or even try to change. 😢
@@healthbar8439 Wrong. Talk to some mental health professionals who successfully treat people who suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, like Dr Ruth Ann Harpur, Heal NPD - Mark Ettensohn PsyD, Wendy T Behary author of Disarming The Narcissist.
Spot on!! Thanks for sharing!
You are so welcome
Yes that's my situation.
I’m an atheist personally, but what truly troubles me and makes me uncomfortable are Christians who just go around assuming everyone else is a Christian or say things like “God bless you” and impose their beliefs onto everyone. That makes me uncomfortable. There are so many different religions in the world. IMO it isn’t appropriate for a Christian to just assume everyone else is a Christian simply because they are a Christian. My ex narcissist’s family identified as Christians and went to church weekly yet they were the coldest people I’ve ever known. They were never warm or loving and even slept in separate bedrooms.
No one imposes their beliefs. They are sharing God's truth. What you do with it is your choice. Free will.
No worries. God doesn't force anyone.
@@imago9059 Actually you just proved their point and you are part of the problem with your snarky remark again referencing God when they stated they are an atheist. It was unsolicited and unnecessary. They also live their own life and have their own experiences. You don’t walk in their shoes to know what they’ve experienced. Shame on you.
Well saying someone is an atheist and sharing they don’t believe in God is not different than a Christian sharing that they believe in a God. This person didn’t force anything. See it’s about having respect for one another and treating them with dignity regardless if they believe differently. This whole channel is to expose toxicity and this response doesn’t seem healthy or respectful but Toxic. Like sharing hatred cause someone openly shared what they believe. What a terrible world to live in! I don’t know why it becomes a hostile attack when someone believes differently than the next person. Especially not knowing them personally or their history or why they believe what they believe. I share God Bless you but it doesn’t offend Me for someone to say there is no God. Peace and Love to all. The comment was irrelevant to the actual topic. If you say what you believe It’s not going to change my own beliefs so I have no reason to attack or disrespect a person when unprovoked. growth is needed here. Notice I’m not defending one or the other but the approach In some of these comments does not come from a healthy mature person. Glad you found this channel 👍
God makes uncomfortable???🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@daniellebuckner6964 Oh I disagree. I was not at all implying Ben was forcing anything. He wasn’t. My comment wasn’t about him at all. I don’t go around bragging or just sharing to everyone that I’m an atheist. I share it on this post, but I don’t go around just sharing it to anyone and everyone in my life. But I’m also a gay man and I HAVE dealt with enough in my life from Christians imposing their beliefs onto me because of that. What if I was a Buddhist? That religion is about peace too. I am simply stating that I do not think it’s appropriate for Christians to just assume I’m another Christian simply because I live in America and they are. I simply try to live and let live. In my experience, a lot of “Christians” have a hard time just doing that. A woman in California was just murdered over a pride flag for being an ally by someone who claimed to be a follower of Christ. Plenty of people also just “assume” i am heterosexual as much as they assume I’m a “Christian” as well.
Definitely my mom.....
Is it instant replay time Ben? In your "How Did I Not See the Red Flags of the Narcissist? video we finished out with... "didn't like that 1 huh Ben?" and a "Didn't like what? " So I'll leave this 1 up for a few before it's gone. I think I was even 1st. Even that don't matter Jack. Only a soon-to-be bankrupt shoe-store owner keeps a pair of kicks on the shelf that don''t sell.
Big Facts!
I lived and grew up in that setting..
Yes, yes and yes!!
Hi Ben, This info is right on…
The only thing is you refer to the abuser as “he” all the time though…
There are Covert Female “Christian” Narcissists as well and there are many men who are having their lives destroyed by these females also…
Thanks for considering changing your phrasing to include both…
For sure. I just don’t work with them or have programs to help them.
My reality right now...smh.
There is no such thing!!
THEY ONLY DO GODS WILL FOR SIGHT BUT YOUR CHARCTER IS WHO YOU ARE WHEN KNOW ONE IS LOOKING SO GOD KNOWS THE REAL YOU AMEN
I have wondered if it's normal for Christian narcissists to always post positive Bible verses and how amazing God's love is often on their social media pages. Yet barely post about anything else going on in their life or something else that's not Christian related. They appear to put on a show of how Godly they are. They never post "negative" things such as sin, discernment, righteous judging, etc.
I've known a few Christians I suspect are narcissists who I thought were admirable, but as I got to know them, they showed very toxic traits. Accuse me of things I didn't do, lie, trick or manipulate me. Misunderstood something I said or posted and take it completely out of context.
I attended church for 15 years under my narcissistic brother
prayers for your salvation
He was a religious narcissist. It felt like I was part of a cult of one person. He had to go to church every Sunday. We were made to pray before every meal. There's nothing wrong with praying before your meal, but he was controlling the situation. In the end he blamed God. Spiritual abuse 💯.. So glad I can pray now with the freedom of doing it because I love God and not being controlling. ❤
I was married to one that tried to control me with making me feel like a big sinner. All this time he was a hidden porn addict teaching grade school kids and was a Sunday School. Went to prison for child porn possession. I was also raped by him with all these Christian books surrounding us in the bedroom. So the trauma of this lasted for years
My dad is the epitome of a christian narcissist.....my dad was a mask of rage 24-7,he would get into screaming arguments with people using obscenities, yet according to him,it was all a justified anger....he was a completely negative person,justified everything under religion,never tried to change or do better,he was entitled...he condemned people who watched rated R action movies yet he watched the same type of violent movies..when he watched a movie that had sex,violenceit was ok,yet he was quick to condemnif someoneelse did it....he pointed out peoples faults,but was far from perfect himself...he would justify his rage by saying "jesus got mad at the people in the temple"....the rules didnt apply to him..he twisted and used religion to,turn it to his own way of thinking...he was the final authority on everything,not the priest or even god himself....he would lie when it was convenient for him...never applied religion to his everday life,never tried to do better,was the ideal hypocrite....he talked religion 24-7,but never practiced what he preached...in 50 years he never changed in the slightest
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Bro great info but when you turn your chair I Crack up. I know you're a funny dude lol
A Christian narcissist is just the new age term for a Pharisee. They are hypocrites and wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Mark 4:12
“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’”
Ben is absolutely Biblically correct on everything he is speaking! Test the spirit by the Spirit, as their fruit determines what spirits are operating behind that person which results in their outward character. Judge in the Bible means to judge their character and we don’t have to judge anyone, as Proverbs has already judged the wicked person. Christianity is not a religion, yet a spiritual journey and a choice to follow Jesus. False religions divide and why there’s a rise for power, control and war. Jesus was meek and humble, he didn’t push power or wage war. God bless! ❤
Amen
My boyfriend was everything to me, he stopped having sex with me, two years later, says he wants to be married, he only pleased me once, says he feels guilty, I came down with breast cancer, he was great but again now my self esteem is at a all time low, still no love, I cant live like this, i love him but my god he needs help and i need to feel loved.
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In the book of john says..there are only two groups..the believers and unbeliever
Narcissism is often confused with
Autism or ADHD.
They are not really christians. If they had love in their heart, they would not be evil.
He loved to post pics of our perfect family. One day after belittling me. I told him to take down the fake love. The worst thing I ever did.
What do you all think about seeking God as a narcissist attempting to recover? I am a covert narcissist, and I have just recently been touched by Christianity. I want to be so grateful to find God, I want to pray and give my troubles to Jesus and ask for forgiveness and work, but I am so scared of the narcissist traps - I'm scared I'm being a marter, I'm scared I'm not seeing how evil I am. Knowing God loves me makes me feel good, and I'm scared of feeling good - that it will cause me to be lazy, that I don't deserve it. Please, if anyone has any feedback, how can I come to God as a narcissist?
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You are on point.
I have to leave many churches due to it.
Currently experiencing what it’s like being in a relationship with a narcissist who is now a Christian and constantly using the Bible’s word against me.. I must “obey” and “submit” to him because the Bible says so. I don’t have a say about things because I’m too emotional & being emotional is “evil and a sin.” I thought this behavior was because of his childhood trauma and past relationships but I’m now realizing this is just who he is. He is a narcissist and I’m his vulnerable puppet. When he’s having a good day, we have a good day. When he’s having a bad day, so am I. Our relationship revolves around what he wants. I’m now seeing the truth
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I grew up with this, my brother and my mother, but the worst of all was my sister, who claims to be a Christian that alegially came to help with my disabled, dependent father and disabled mother. The abuses was so severe that i had a multitude of extremely serious health problems such as massive weight loss, loss of my teeth, colon cancer, became suicidal, and severe mental health problems to name a few.. As abuses to my father and my mother, i now had to protect. It was six years in that I finally found the name to this abuse, narrarsistict. God did show me her face as the devil early on. I did not understand gaslighting, ect. I also lost everything in a flood as she did not wake me up to tell me the river was rising. I would like to either sue my dads estate or my sister directly as it will cost over 90 k to get dental implants. Dentures do not work, i have checked every possible avenue, and this is my only way that i can get them . I hope it helps my pain as well. The severe pain i have from my gums is unbearable as i had a dental injury in my 20s. I feel this has caused so much anger and rage inside of me, from her demonic side that her demons are tying to take over me, and i dont know if suing is even the Christian thing to do. I know vengeance is my said the Lord, but I am in my early 60s, with three small grandchildren. I can't speak well, i am humiliated, and i am truly aged 40 more years. I would have run, but i was there for my father, who needed me. We were fine before she came. My mother who i am now trying to take care of, is 88, finally got to where she was going to nicely tell her to go home, but to not tell my sister what she said about her abuse, nor did she ever tell her to go home. I felt trapped. . But for my mother, she never asked me how it was effectively me or dad. I wanted to get her out by going to my father's judge many times, but i truly did not understand with all the gaslighting, me doing all the work, my father in and out of the hospital and rehabs all the time. I lived in hell, and i still feel like i am. I need real guidance and prayer.
What's really scary is when religious narcissists attain political influence. Not only are their congregants made to suffer, but so is everyone else.
Good video. That's just a narcissist. Word Chtistian is always thrown around by people, but if they don't follow Christ they're not Christian. You can clearly see in these people the pathology when they ask for blind submission. From all family but refuse to act like Jesus.
They think the word submission means subjugation.
Just like anything else: if your words do not match your actions you might be a narcissist 🎉
I filed for a divorce, from my narcissistic husband, and he has started carrying a Bible ( prop) never went to church, our 40 year marriage. We were both raised with different religious back grounds.
He claims he’s a-devoted husband whom, would-never ever lie or cheat, on my me so help me God, swear to God, I’ll place my hands, on the Bible. I would never, ever do that. Because, I want to be, with you in heaven. He has been wanting, us both to go to church, to talk to a priest, to work on our marriage. I refused, he is using my refusal,
as a attempt to show he’s family, he tried. I am frequently told that God, will tell me the truth when I die.
True!
Can we talk about the the “ women” who exploit men… when a woman loses her supply in her narcissistic traits, plain and simple. She will use substances and people as her supply, and then she will discard them, and come back into your life with all the hoveriing… set some firm boundaries. and get into therapy and find your true self. men are also abused.. David
I don’t work with abused men or try to speak to female narcissists. Not what I talk about on my channel
Read the passages in the bible about Jezebel and walking in the spirt is differently than walking in one's flesh...look at the cross and the conversations to jesus about saving yourself or the one who humbly knew he needed a ransom from sin..when you walk in flesh..its all about you..your a god..worship thyself and control and manipulation ..we all have those tendencies..but the narc cannot admit he's wrong or wanting compromise..its the exact opposite character
That was a great explanation - I agree. Everyone can change - but only if they ALLOW God to change them. God doesn’t force his will upon anyone. That’s why most narcs never change- they actually think they haven’t done any wrong. But they’re the first to throw stones always.
@@nikkid1038 it's not a person's opinion..its the standard..the moral and ethic compass that GOVERNORS A PERSONS MOTIVATION
Like committing a crime...there are 5 motivators but GOD DETESTS 7 DEADLY SINS..
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.
I will see you in heaven.
Because of confusion of Narcissism, Autism, and ADHD,
they are wrongly diagnosed.
My husband and father.
This happened to me.
Ha! My mom and ex
My my devout Catholic wife is a clinically diagnosed covert narcissist who is it so devout to our husband. She had left me sexless for 20 years and even though she denied me sex, she has slept with a married man. Yes my devout catholic wife, who serves the host and teaches Sunday school disappeared for two weeks with the church Deacons and and actually slept with him the week I was diagnosed with cancer ♋️
They misuse the forgive tool to justify their own and others sin in their live s.
My narcissist is an aesthetic narcissist, can't be bothered to facade otherwise.
A Christian narcisst does not exist, Christians have the Holy Spirit and listen to that soft loving Voice. The fruits are they are often humble and admit their wrongs. A narcisst cannot apologize, thus lives out of the flesh only because his spirit is not broken! You must be born again to understand this
This can happen in any religion around the world. It is not just Christians.
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE"...😢
EPHESIANS 5 GETS HELD OVER MY HEAD ALL THE TIME... YET PSALMS 1 EXPLAINS WHAT TO DO... PSALMS 12 EXPLAINS THEIR DEVILISH TONGUE... GALATIANS 5:14-26 EXPLAINS THE DIFFERENCE... 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 HELPS YOU KNOW WHO IS A NARC...
They Cannot Change - personal "currently" experiencing...
To many Epiphanies - 😡
My dad !
So religious and holy but, also a complete user and, manipulator
Mine was exactly this , he abused me in every way you could w/o taking my life .. he still don’t see the wrong what he did .. he’s still preaching the word but living a lie
I’m so sorry.
It's a shame that christians scare so many people away from God.
What is a Christian and Muslim narcissist I have experienced both😊
I mean no disrespect by bringing up politics, but to me this is an elephant in the room. How do so many “Christians” support a malignant narcissist like Trump? There have been studies done showing narcissists gravitate toward Trump. I believe that is the answer and ties into this topic.
Its proof irl that most chirstians are not actually christians its sad how a politicians unintelligence is what lead to the unmasking when it was the children of the world who were begging for such an unmasking for years in futility.
Because you don't like how he acts, you will condone nutjobs, going on t.v. bad mouthing him, but wont say anything about the mindless dummy in office now. Own that!
Most politicians are highly narcissistic in nature. Bosses and CEO’s as well. Being highly narcissistic doesn’t automatically equate to being pathologically a full blown narcissist….. Like him or not Trump called out the lies and deception that is going on in the politics, media and business in our nation. He’s exactly what we needed and still very much need more of!
But when you give them a scripture calling out their behavior, they blow up on you. It just happened to me.
Yes Christians do run from this. And we are encouraged in the church to just pray for your marriage and spouse. No. God did not mean for us to be enslaved. 😢
I call it living a double life. I observe my Christian Narcissist has a Demon he wants to keep. He has admitted to never hearing from the Holy Spirit & his pride prevents sorrow & repentence. For too long I thought I was the problem. My Savior has gifted me a way to live in peace with all men. Laura Doyles Empowered Wife book is a plan to save your sanity.
17 years married with three beautiful boys all God-fearing and my ex-wife went from the church that we got married in once the pastor disagreed with her about me being the cheating type she stopped going to that church and she went to another and then the pastor and his wife both agreed that no he doesn’t seem like the cheating type. She stopped going to that church now she goes to church That they haven’t heard both sides of the story but they side with her. She says the Holy Spirit is telling her that I was cheating on her and doing all kind of bad things that I was supposed to be with a witch that had me under a spell weapon, but she doesn’t see that she’s manipulative and controlling but she said she’s a Christian, personally my life is better without her. Forgive me if I’m wrong for saying such.
Right, their fruit. I am married to one, currently in the process of divorce. He reverse discarded me so he can play the victim. I watched the whole thing unfold for years. Do they really believe they are saved are it just part of the whole nice guy facade?
Yes interested on the answer to this very important question as well please. I have wonder this a lot as my ex was a christian narcissist also and the sad part is that that was the main reason of me dating him :( I was looking for a christian partner
I really appreciate this, so apparently you have repented and changed?
Can a narcissist change? Can there be true repentance and change?
Yes. Called transformation :)
@@RawMotivations I will certainly be praying for my ex narc then.
I was with a psykopat man in 7 years that kill me so kald christian
Narcissists lives more on words and manipulative actions than they do in authenticity. As long as they look good on the outside to people outside the home they think they are great. "Christian narcissist" is an oxymoron. One cannot have the fruit of the Spirit and still act the way a narcissist acts based on their inner black heart.
Galatians 5:22-23 - "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."
This fruit motivates all the actions of those controlled by Christ. Those without this fruit are motivated by their heart to act the way they do.
I know many people like this and grew up in it. The culture as a whole acts like this because they go to church but do not follow Christ.
There are many fakers in the church, they were never born again and changed by Christ into a new creation. These people are using religion to enhance their fake persona.
Yeah I wasn't the right look either ... thankfully
This is excellent, except for some of the language. I don't know why you think it is necessary to use it. I was preyed on by a Christian narcissist pastor who started his own church and has no accountability. It was a big lesson learned about love bombing, grooming, trauma bonding, etc.
Yet the brothers in Christ are so loving they just keep on loving the narc to the detriment of their victims. They are wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be helpful and reformed while social climbing and being predatory. Narcs know their end, but the flying monkeys are in for a big surprise....
They step up and use their faults to show false humility and gain compassion all the time, they are plastered all over the Internet helping. Just a future Prometheus.
Soon all the facade will fall, a huge portion of hearts will fail. The "Christians" who kept me trapped for 25 years. I will watch and not warn them of the predators that will surround them and see their seed become fodder...
And that’s why the best decision I did for me was leave the Christianity for good. Leaving was like inhaling fresh air for the first time.
@kp153 I'm pleased for you and it seems like many other people would be better off doing so due to the harm it causes, especially to precious children who grow up hearing about the devil and hell etc, not to mention being physically assaulted going by advice from the Bible. ❤
@cyndigooch1162 oh my gosh.... you seem really confused about God 😢
Oklahoma in a nutshell
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a satanist that uses god as their excuse.
I HAVE A SISTER HOW IS A NARRCISTIC CHRISITAN SHEIDING IT BEHIND GOD