Harbor guardian makes actually a lot of sense. If it attacks, it leaves it's post, thus allowing the traders to get through, which is represented by the opponent drawing a card.
Imma be honest, if this is the worst azurios has to offer, I'm pretty impressend. I would run most of the cards in a limited deck, excluding the very old ones, and I can even see potential in the two that make your opponent draw a card. Great video!
One note about Barrenton Cragtreads is that it was printed in a set with A LOT of hybrid mana cards, which means that there are more red creatures than normal. So its text box, while narrow in a core set or a set like Theros or Zendikar, has a little extra upside in Shadowmoor.
If you want to be freaked out, look closely at the artwork for the #4 card on this list. Look at the guy's face on the left side of the card. It's completely flat. His entire face looks like it is on a flat plane, with no depth whatsoever.
I absolutely love these "Worst" videos. Because despite the fact they're impossible to think of a good segue into "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" (which you should do btw) opinionated lists are awesome. Although the #1 spot is wrong, because Jedit Ojanen is actually *THE GREATEST CARD OF ALL TIME.* Personally, I have been meaning to build a Jedit Ojanen EDH deck where the entire point is to buff him up and swing for lethal. But I've never gotten around to it. Although maybe this video will give me the kick I need.
I actually like the flavor of Harbor Guardian. You have to see it a different way, though. Your opponent draws a card because the Guardian leaves your harbor, meaning it is unguarded. So your opponent drawing a card is the flavor of your opponent stealing something from you unguarded harbor. This card baffled me for quite a while wayyy back in the day but once I thought of it in that way it made much more sense to me. Still terrible...
The thing here being that he actually is an Azorius character, supposedly. The mono-green one is from Planar Chaos, and therefore from an alternate reality in which he doesn't "forsake the forest."
Lol. Yeah. I like that card, but its obvious why it doesn't work. In a fast paced, "standard" environment. Fast paced mana is prevalent. And if you're not playing it on, or within a turn or two of the curve. It's not worth the value of having other cards in your deck. Meaning, you would have to have too many copies of the card for it to be efficient. I still like the life gain though.... In a slower environment it's not the worst. Especially if you're playing extreme budget, or just for fun "kitchen table games".
Depends on the format. In modern and standard U/W is too slow generally. In commander however the slower pace works out because the games can last long enough to level off the disadvantage.
I run Ayesha Tanaka as my commander for my banding/phasing/flanking deck. I've only used her ability once to counter a single activation of a walking ballista infinite combo.
Barrenton Cragtreads' ability was relevant in the Limited format, due to the use of hybrid mana meaning there were a lot more red creatures on average than normal. I can remember playing mono-red in Shadowmoor-Eventide Sealed, by which I mean playing red, red-white hybrid, red-green hybrid, red-blue hybrid, and red-black hybrid cards.
The Coastline Chimera has two heads, so it should be able to do two bites each doing one damage, therefore its power should be two. This is a design flavor fail (especially since it can block additional creatures).
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Wasn't Barrenton Cragtreads pretty decent in its Limited? It's 4 mana 3/3, and that unblockable is twice as good as unusual as it was hybrid environment.
Ayesha Tanaka is actually a really powerful card in the right edh circle. Banding is really strong on defense and if you are getting your ramp from spells, it's just a big stony silence against non white decks, and completely neuters mana rocks in white. If you wind up playing bant and have a mono blue urza player in the group, its a fun and unique hate piece.
The downside of letting an opponent draw a card can be mitigated by the newly printed Hull Breacher. Not really enough to redeem the cards on this list entirely, but I could see a somewhat janky build in Bant or Esper to tutor up the Breacher. The cards do look better when instead of an opponent drawing a card you get a treasure.
Um the 1/1 flash may just find itself in my chulane deck. And the fog does actually have a use, you run it in voltran style azorius decks where your making big creature and swing for game, your opponent may try to block to kill it and that's when you drop the fog. It's the same way you use thwart the enemy.
@@atk9989 Yes, first of all, if you're swinging for the game, your least problem should be combat damage. Your creature is supposed to be huge, right? Ok so even if it was a 20/1 without trample. Why even bother with combat? Give it evasion of any kind which is plentiful in white-blue and you're good. Steel of the Godhead or Protective Bubble should be more than enough. Speaking of which, if you're going to waste one whole card to protecting your creature, at least be ready for a removal spell. Anything from Apostle's Blessing to Mother/Giver of Runes will protect it AND make it harder to block. Even if you're worried about Auras falling off, at least use a spell to give it indestructible. It will always be better than freaking Azorius Ploy.
@@atk9989 Azorius Ploy is best used when there's a huge creature fight and you can save two creatures (or at least one and save you from taking damage). Even then it's pretty mediocre. But I'm stressing this because if you only care about preventing damage to one creature, you're using an awful card in an awful way. Djeru's Resolve costs one, untaps it, protects against noncombat too and has cycling and it's still very bad.
@@fernandobanda5734 eh, iv only been getting into EDH for about a year now and kinda sorta played other formats sometimes since ixalan so i dont have that much knowledge about other cards. so i look at it at its face value uses. where i can see it working for or against a voltron deck so its not horrible if your play group in EDH has voltron decks since the more options you have in a singleton format the better.
I disagree with your statement of "Generally you delay the inevitable in most cases". Fog effects can be very powerful when put in the right deck. Spore Frog is very good in Meren of Clan Nel Toth edh decks as a recurrable time winner against your creature heavy opponents. Athreos, Shroud-Veiled likes Kami of False Hope. (Again as a recurrable time winner) And both of these decks will slowly demolish the boardstates of their opponents with removal. (Often atleast.) Fog itself has saved me a couple of times already in my Kalamax Storm build and gave me just enough time to win in the following turn. The only problem that I have with Fog is that it's a dead card in the beginning of the match. But even then I often have enough ways to loot it away.
The flavor of Harbor Guardian may be like this: while it's untapped, traders that enter the city are levied taxes. When it's attacking, hence NOT in it's post, the traders get a free pass and are NOT levied taxes, allowing them to make more money than they usually would. ... it's still a terrible card, tho. Tried using it back in the middle ages... ended up chucking my copies of that card out of the deck box and in to my "binder"... where it sat for ages
The thing with the Legends legends is that it was a different era in Magic. Cards that are garbage now were useful back then. When Legends came out, the only other sets in the game were Alpha/Beta/Unlimited, Arabian Nights, and Antiquities. Basically, the equivalent of Standard being the only format in existence.
@@noahwolff5455 maybe, few and far between though. I wish they'd reprint some, but with reasonable mana costs. I realized I already had a medomai the ageless laying around so I'm just gonna use that.
Ayesha Tanaka is better in EDH than this list suggests. She's awful...but more likely to shape a game than the cards 7-10 due to the ubiquity of artifacts.
LMAO the #10 on this list used to be in my bant deck back 2 years ago when I was playing in my school club Like, at some point I realized it was bad, but not that bad XD
For the Ravnica Allegiance prerelease, I chose every guild but Azorious at my 4 LGS events, because the person who taught me how to draft (Nizzahon) said counterspells weren't great in draft. When all my LGS stopped doing Allegiance drafts, Azorious ended up being my best guild to draft in, with a ridiculous 7/7 first place draft finishes each time I drafted the guild. I thought Nizzahon was wrong and picked up a bad habit drafting too many counterspells in other draft sets. So Nizzahon was right afterall.
Yea, that's set specific. Esper midranage/control is by far the best archetype in RNA, at least in a vacuum (it often gets forced by 2-3 players, so drafting something else will get you higher card quality), and the counterspell that mills the opponent (like Didn't say please, but has a different name, can't remember) is amazing, especially in the mirror. I wouldn't say counterspells are bad in limited, they can be amazing in some sets. It not only depends on which counterspells are avialable (Zendikar rising has only Negate as a usable counterspell, for example, and you don't want more than one of those, Eldraine had amazing counterspells, though I guess Drown also counts as removal), but what the theme of the set is. For example, counterspells were great in RNA because creatures had high toughness and it was hard to get through without a combat trick, so as long as your fatties are protected, you could just pass the turn and loop your library with Clear the mind. In WAR, counterspells were amazing because of how many bomb rare and even uncommon plainswalkers there were (also, God-eternals would mostly just end the game), and the main counterspell was very good because it exiled, and graveyard recursion was a big thing. In GRN, even though you had very good counterspells (the one that surveils at uncommon was played in constructed), they weren't good picks because the premier archetypes were either very grindy, with a lot of graveyard interaction, or very fast and aggressive. /rant
@@omgopet Hard agree, Esper or Bant were ridiculous in RNA. A big part of why counterspell heavy decks worked in RNA was that there were 2 decent counterspells at common, Quench and Thought Collapse (Didn't Say Please). Outside of common, Essence Capture was at uncommon and Absorb was at rare. It also helped that the fliers in those two color combinations were ridiculous. Only needed to get one flier to stick and counter every reach creature/removal spell that targeted them to win. Even the ones at lower rarity, like Chillbringer, Pteramander, Skatewing Spy, Windstorm Drake, Aeromunculus, Azorious Skyguard, Grasping Thrull, Sphinx of New Prahv (my favorite), and Senate Griffin were decent win conditions in those decks, and if you got a mythic or rare flier you were golden. You're absolutely right on people forcing the archetypes though. Towards the end of the set's lifespan, other drafters at my table started hate drafting/forcing Azorious just to screw with me. I was barely able to keep my perfect streak alive, mostly off of them drawing poorly/doing badly themselves cause they were trolling me while I was trying to win.
I like to watch your top 10s, to get inspiration for my casual Decks. Thats why i dont like worst top 10s. I also think worst lists are boring because 90% of the time its not the effekt thats bad, but the cmc. I would love a top 10 of the best budget cards. Like top 10 azorius under 2$, or whatever.
You should maybe make Vanilla creatures from Legends an honorable mention. They're always number one, and will be for all color pairs.
This is a really good suggestion.
I scrolled down to see if this comment was here. Can't believe he's still doing this, so boring.
They're so funny though. On videos featuring the worst creatures of all time, they have to show up somewhere.
Solid recommendation!
Agreed
Top 10 fogs
Fog is #1
Because we all know how mich he hates Fog effects.
Top ten frogs
Tangle is my fav
not me thinking this said frogs💀
Harbor guardian makes actually a lot of sense. If it attacks, it leaves it's post, thus allowing the traders to get through, which is represented by the opponent drawing a card.
1000 iq, I never considered that
Makes sense I suppose.
Imma be honest, if this is the worst azurios has to offer, I'm pretty impressend. I would run most of the cards in a limited deck, excluding the very old ones, and I can even see potential in the two that make your opponent draw a card. Great video!
i'd play the 3/3 flier if it was in kaladesh
I agree. Azurios is far stronger than I've given it credit for
One note about Barrenton Cragtreads is that it was printed in a set with A LOT of hybrid mana cards, which means that there are more red creatures than normal. So its text box, while narrow in a core set or a set like Theros or Zendikar, has a little extra upside in Shadowmoor.
If you want to be freaked out, look closely at the artwork for the #4 card on this list. Look at the guy's face on the left side of the card. It's completely flat. His entire face looks like it is on a flat plane, with no depth whatsoever.
his soul is the soul of a shield
you know magic art has come a long way
Interesting how even counting the vanilla legends cards, Azorious still couldnt fill a list with entirely useless cards.
I love these worst videos. I'm a fan of almost all these Top 10s, but these are some if my favorites
I absolutely love these "Worst" videos. Because despite the fact they're impossible to think of a good segue into "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" (which you should do btw) opinionated lists are awesome. Although the #1 spot is wrong, because Jedit Ojanen is actually *THE GREATEST CARD OF ALL TIME.* Personally, I have been meaning to build a Jedit Ojanen EDH deck where the entire point is to buff him up and swing for lethal. But I've never gotten around to it. Although maybe this video will give me the kick I need.
Agree that Jedit is too stronk
@@nickbalmes6640 Jedit will be #1 on "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!"
I actually like the flavor of Harbor Guardian. You have to see it a different way, though. Your opponent draws a card because the Guardian leaves your harbor, meaning it is unguarded. So your opponent drawing a card is the flavor of your opponent stealing something from you unguarded harbor. This card baffled me for quite a while wayyy back in the day but once I thought of it in that way it made much more sense to me. Still terrible...
Jedit Ojanen also makes no sense in Azorius, which is why they made a new mono-green one
The thing here being that he actually is an Azorius character, supposedly.
The mono-green one is from Planar Chaos, and therefore from an alternate reality in which he doesn't "forsake the forest."
@@NotAnEvilMastermind Definitely doesn't help that they just made cards but didn't really have stories around them
Who else came here confused about the title screen art?
Lol. Yeah. I like that card, but its obvious why it doesn't work.
In a fast paced, "standard" environment. Fast paced mana is prevalent. And if you're not playing it on, or within a turn or two of the curve. It's not worth the value of having other cards in your deck. Meaning, you would have to have too many copies of the card for it to be efficient.
I still like the life gain though....
In a slower environment it's not the worst. Especially if you're playing extreme budget, or just for fun "kitchen table games".
What confused you?
I think the art looks like a Rakdos card or something. I never would've guessed Azorius.
@@elnatanbitensky8314 yes, a big lizard beast, reminds of everything but blue or white. The coins might have been a hint lol
Glad you've returned to "top 10 worst" videos. These are my favorite. Grateful for them.
Azorius is low floor, low ceiling color. Very defensive cards in general and the color doesn't try to lose outright.
Depends on the format. In modern and standard U/W is too slow generally. In commander however the slower pace works out because the games can last long enough to level off the disadvantage.
I run Ayesha Tanaka as my commander for my banding/phasing/flanking deck. I've only used her ability once to counter a single activation of a walking ballista infinite combo.
Barrenton Cragtreads' ability was relevant in the Limited format, due to the use of hybrid mana meaning there were a lot more red creatures on average than normal. I can remember playing mono-red in Shadowmoor-Eventide Sealed, by which I mean playing red, red-white hybrid, red-green hybrid, red-blue hybrid, and red-black hybrid cards.
The Coastline Chimera has two heads, so it should be able to do two bites each doing one damage, therefore its power should be two. This is a design flavor fail (especially since it can block additional creatures).
Wasn't Barrenton Cragtreads pretty decent in its Limited? It's 4 mana 3/3, and that unblockable is twice as good as unusual as it was hybrid environment.
I remember you said the second pic was a flavor fail, cant remember which vid it was
Ayesha Tanaka is actually a really powerful card in the right edh circle. Banding is really strong on defense and if you are getting your ramp from spells, it's just a big stony silence against non white decks, and completely neuters mana rocks in white.
If you wind up playing bant and have a mono blue urza player in the group, its a fun and unique hate piece.
The downside of letting an opponent draw a card can be mitigated by the newly printed Hull Breacher. Not really enough to redeem the cards on this list entirely, but I could see a somewhat janky build in Bant or Esper to tutor up the Breacher. The cards do look better when instead of an opponent drawing a card you get a treasure.
Um the 1/1 flash may just find itself in my chulane deck. And the fog does actually have a use, you run it in voltran style azorius decks where your making big creature and swing for game, your opponent may try to block to kill it and that's when you drop the fog. It's the same way you use thwart the enemy.
If you're simply trying to save a creature, you can do much more for much less than 1WWU.
@@fernandobanda5734 in white blue and still get the damage through?
@@atk9989 Yes, first of all, if you're swinging for the game, your least problem should be combat damage. Your creature is supposed to be huge, right?
Ok so even if it was a 20/1 without trample. Why even bother with combat? Give it evasion of any kind which is plentiful in white-blue and you're good. Steel of the Godhead or Protective Bubble should be more than enough.
Speaking of which, if you're going to waste one whole card to protecting your creature, at least be ready for a removal spell. Anything from Apostle's Blessing to Mother/Giver of Runes will protect it AND make it harder to block. Even if you're worried about Auras falling off, at least use a spell to give it indestructible. It will always be better than freaking Azorius Ploy.
@@atk9989 Azorius Ploy is best used when there's a huge creature fight and you can save two creatures (or at least one and save you from taking damage). Even then it's pretty mediocre. But I'm stressing this because if you only care about preventing damage to one creature, you're using an awful card in an awful way. Djeru's Resolve costs one, untaps it, protects against noncombat too and has cycling and it's still very bad.
@@fernandobanda5734 eh, iv only been getting into EDH for about a year now and kinda sorta played other formats sometimes since ixalan so i dont have that much knowledge about other cards. so i look at it at its face value uses. where i can see it working for or against a voltron deck so its not horrible if your play group in EDH has voltron decks since the more options you have in a singleton format the better.
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Oh hell yeah my boi Kasimir making #1!!!!
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is this the first video of the color pairs?
I disagree with your statement of "Generally you delay the inevitable in most cases".
Fog effects can be very powerful when put in the right deck.
Spore Frog is very good in Meren of Clan Nel Toth edh decks as a recurrable time winner against your creature heavy opponents.
Athreos, Shroud-Veiled likes Kami of False Hope. (Again as a recurrable time winner)
And both of these decks will slowly demolish the boardstates of their opponents with removal. (Often atleast.)
Fog itself has saved me a couple of times already in my Kalamax Storm build and gave me just enough time to win in the following turn.
The only problem that I have with Fog is that it's a dead card in the beginning of the match. But even then I often have enough ways to loot it away.
The flavor of Harbor Guardian may be like this: while it's untapped, traders that enter the city are levied taxes. When it's attacking, hence NOT in it's post, the traders get a free pass and are NOT levied taxes, allowing them to make more money than they usually would.
... it's still a terrible card, tho. Tried using it back in the middle ages... ended up chucking my copies of that card out of the deck box and in to my "binder"... where it sat for ages
should have tossed the copies into the harbor instead
Have you done or do you plan to do a one mana 1/1 list? When you went over the zealous guardian I thought it might make an interesting list.
I am sure it will happen one day
Nizzahon brings stability to an ever changing world
Have you come across a card that is in literally 0 decks on EDHRec?
People make decks on EDHRec that are ‘bad tribal’ so it would have to hit a sweet spot of unplayable but not bad enough to be a meme.
Top 10 worst Legends from Legends... that would hit a lot of the worse guild cards. Lol
I guess you could use Zealous Guardian to surprise chump block but then you might as well have some other card that does more.
Top ten bears plz
Azorious Ploy actually seems like a fun card. I'll have to add that to my cube
Why does Tobias Andrion keep dodging bullets on lists like these?
Its a 5 mana 4/4 with no abilities. Too inefficient to be good, not inefficient enough to be terrible.
I use azorius ploy in my narset deck, just as a protect for narset
Are we gonna get top ten worst abzun jund naya ect?
The thing with the Legends legends is that it was a different era in Magic. Cards that are garbage now were useful back then. When Legends came out, the only other sets in the game were Alpha/Beta/Unlimited, Arabian Nights, and Antiquities. Basically, the equivalent of Standard being the only format in existence.
Use of Legends and Alliance/Homelands on "Worst" lists should be outlawed. Too easy/too many given power-creep.
Nizzahon - the only guy without dislikes on his TH-cam videos.
this is how legends are made
oh wait...
Man Zealous Conscript does not deserve to be on here lol. I must make an Ephara deck
Earlier today I was looking on
the gatherer for a blue white commander, and I just skipped over every card from legends without reading it lol.
Oh buddy you're missing out. Alot of those cards are actually awesome when you pair them with more modern ones
@@noahwolff5455 maybe, few and far between though. I wish they'd reprint some, but with reasonable mana costs. I realized I already had a medomai the ageless laying around so I'm just gonna use that.
Ayesha Tanaka is better in EDH than this list suggests. She's awful...but more likely to shape a game than the cards 7-10 due to the ubiquity of artifacts.
If Offering to Asha cost WU, it would've been standard playable
Some ok limited cards here like drake and barrenton
LMAO the #10 on this list used to be in my bant deck back 2 years ago when I was playing in my school club
Like, at some point I realized it was bad, but not that bad XD
Top 10 commons for each color type
Hey guys, does Nizzahon hate fogs? I think he hates fogs. Just a hunch.
I left a silly comment about Ember Shot on your Worst Burn Spells video. Maybe check it out.
Keep up the good work. Been binge watching your videos.
For the Ravnica Allegiance prerelease, I chose every guild but Azorious at my 4 LGS events, because the person who taught me how to draft (Nizzahon) said counterspells weren't great in draft.
When all my LGS stopped doing Allegiance drafts, Azorious ended up being my best guild to draft in, with a ridiculous 7/7 first place draft finishes each time I drafted the guild.
I thought Nizzahon was wrong and picked up a bad habit drafting too many counterspells in other draft sets. So Nizzahon was right afterall.
Yea, that's set specific. Esper midranage/control is by far the best archetype in RNA, at least in a vacuum (it often gets forced by 2-3 players, so drafting something else will get you higher card quality), and the counterspell that mills the opponent (like Didn't say please, but has a different name, can't remember) is amazing, especially in the mirror.
I wouldn't say counterspells are bad in limited, they can be amazing in some sets. It not only depends on which counterspells are avialable (Zendikar rising has only Negate as a usable counterspell, for example, and you don't want more than one of those, Eldraine had amazing counterspells, though I guess Drown also counts as removal), but what the theme of the set is. For example, counterspells were great in RNA because creatures had high toughness and it was hard to get through without a combat trick, so as long as your fatties are protected, you could just pass the turn and loop your library with Clear the mind. In WAR, counterspells were amazing because of how many bomb rare and even uncommon plainswalkers there were (also, God-eternals would mostly just end the game), and the main counterspell was very good because it exiled, and graveyard recursion was a big thing. In GRN, even though you had very good counterspells (the one that surveils at uncommon was played in constructed), they weren't good picks because the premier archetypes were either very grindy, with a lot of graveyard interaction, or very fast and aggressive.
/rant
@@omgopet Hard agree, Esper or Bant were ridiculous in RNA.
A big part of why counterspell heavy decks worked in RNA was that there were 2 decent counterspells at common, Quench and Thought Collapse (Didn't Say Please). Outside of common, Essence Capture was at uncommon and Absorb was at rare.
It also helped that the fliers in those two color combinations were ridiculous. Only needed to get one flier to stick and counter every reach creature/removal spell that targeted them to win. Even the ones at lower rarity, like Chillbringer, Pteramander, Skatewing Spy, Windstorm Drake, Aeromunculus, Azorious Skyguard, Grasping Thrull, Sphinx of New Prahv (my favorite), and Senate Griffin were decent win conditions in those decks, and if you got a mythic or rare flier you were golden.
You're absolutely right on people forcing the archetypes though. Towards the end of the set's lifespan, other drafters at my table started hate drafting/forcing Azorious just to screw with me. I was barely able to keep my perfect streak alive, mostly off of them drawing poorly/doing badly themselves cause they were trolling me while I was trying to win.
Let me guess. Number 1 are all legends from Legends?
Ah aziourus my least favorite color pair like to see the worst is like
I wonder what the top ten cards ever are?
Shame this cool artwork on the drake is wasted on a junk cardboard......
I expected samite archer
Gosta Dirk turns off Merfolk though.
Which I said
So when's "Top 10 Worst Flavor Text In Magic"?
I loved the video!
I like to watch your top 10s, to get inspiration for my casual Decks.
Thats why i dont like worst top 10s.
I also think worst lists are boring because 90% of the time its not the effekt thats bad, but the cmc.
I would love a top 10 of the best budget cards.
Like top 10 azorius under 2$, or whatever.
one mana one/one's are bad? this is glistener elf erasure
Well, they are if they don't have anything going on, and zealous guardian doesn't. Glistener elf has infect.
Nizzahon 1 mana 1/1s aren't worth playing
Llanowar elves am I a joke to you
Glistener elf :)
theres an actual chance that id play 6 in edh so i mean its not terrible
Cards from Legends make these worst lists all the time huh lol
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