655RWHP B58 M240i (NO Meth NO PI) www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?10211-BigBoost-increases-their-B58-output-world-record-to-655-rwhp-Most-powerful-F22-M240i
I owned an m235i and now have an m240i. You will be happy with either one but i do love my m240i. Stay away from the 220 m235i units you want a glorified mini cooper works.
@@rsparth they changed the chassis and you can only get a 2 little turbo on the got model and not the 3lt 6 cylinder b58 engine. It's also gone 4 wheel drive
Speed tech stage 3 turbo for n55 - Vehicle configuration: 2014 335i. Speedtech Stage 3 Turbo. Speedtech Port Injection. Stock intercooler/airbox/airbox tube/air filter/exhaust. - Boost set to 18psi at 3000rpm ramp to 25psi at 6000rpm - 628whp, 539wtq - Spool-up by 3000rpm - Over 500 ft*lbs between 3800 to 6500rpm, over 450 ft*lbs between 3000 to 7000 rpm, providing great street performance. Keeping stock reliability and drivability
Deven Green i have the same year/car and am looking to get in the 600whp club i was looking at the speedtech kit but also the bigboost kit. How are you liking the speedtech kit and how much did it cost in total to be 600whp
Bro you should at least upgrade your intercooler and charge pipes. Not sure about the down pipe as no one has really proven the stock one to be an issue with higher pressure, but might as well play it say with a high flow DP.
I am an owner of M235i🫶, had some oil leak problems( typically BMW) , from what i heard the M240i B58 has no more oil leak and is a bit better at almost everything than N55, but N55 has the better sound , and for me that's important as well, if you want you can easily get 400-500 HP for each motor. So both are great choices❤
Was just cruising with either an m235i or an m240i and gotta say one of the best sounding cars ever. 😍 and looks amazing too. Definitely would be on my list if I were to get a nicer car later in life
2017 M240 with Noelle Tune which keeps the warranty - 440 hp: absolutely kills it at the track (Chuckwalla, Streets of Willow, Button Willow). Amazing handling with solid brakes make it a complete joy to drive. Quite a sleeper and worth every penny.
It really comes down to whether you want to feel a bit more power, or you want to go warp 7! Just depends on the person! Neither is wrong! Personally, I'm not Interested in going 175mph, but tapping into the potential of my car is fun! I'll leave the Space Shuttle on the launch pad! Lol
Thanks for your vids man. I have been researching cars for about a year now. I was convinced I wanted a new VW golf or perhaps an audi a4 or s3. I've owned Honda products over the past 18 years. 2 Integra's GSRs. Civic Si. RSX-S (wrecked). ILX. I meticulously maintain my cars and love to drive. Everyone told me to look into BMW. I thought "they're nice but overpriced". I saw a blue m240i last summer and was locked in. Your videos along with a handful of others have been helping me maintain my sanity that this is the perfect car and my search needed to get deeper. I looked around new/used for months. I'm in KC. Finding one on a dealership's lot was tedious. They had a ton of 230is. I knew I needed that v6 coming from a long line of underpowered 4 cyclinder cars. The prices were crazy too. We're talking close to 50k for a fully loaded 230i xdrive. 230 not 235i or 240. KC dealers simply know that they can sell the few cars they stock to the Kansas city elite over the course of the year. Snooty dealers that don't inspire love for the brand. They know what's hot in the lineup (M3/M4, 340, 440, m235/240) but they don't have any of those cars even to test drive. I kept looking cross country and found one in Wichita. I feel like a lucky man as I signed a low mileage lease for my new 2019 m240i xdrive - mineral gray. Less than 47k all in. Cannot believe how much superior this car is to what I had before. Maybe the dealer was right? The 230i should be enough power for anyone on the road. This inline 6 however is a demon on the road. I never felt so confident. It's much faster than I thought and seems much faster than 95% of traffic on my commute any given day. You can pass anything at will in this car. There is no such thing as 45mph in this car. You know no one can mess with you in the car as you can just blow by them and watch them vanish in the ether. I'm almost hesitant to drive in sports plus mode as the demon is unleashed further and seems to demand twice the gas. My stomach got quesy the first few times I floored it to "see of TH-cam was right about the acceleration" (yes you guys were). It's hard to explain the joy of driving a car this fast to others that haven't experienced it. The tech is fantastic as well. The digital readout on the display is badass as well. I'm looking for excuses to take it out and rev it up. I'm wanting my friends and family to drive it to let me know it's not an illusion that it's lighting fast. I'm 6 days in to ownership and have my first mod. I did puddle lights that display "M" on the ground when the door opens. Actually pretty stock looking. My only wish is that I could hear the engine more. I'm just starting to look into that but I'm still a novice with car repair etc. Looking forward to watching you mod that gorgeous blue 235!
If you haven't already got it wack the M-Sport Exhaust on, then just drive everywhere with the window slightly open, the barble and pops are awesome.... That's what I do, you'll never get bored until the winter when you have to drive with the windows shut. Lol
Manny M did you get the m235i ? I’m confused between the two , I was about to get the m240i but then I liked the sound of the 235i , which one do you recommend is there a massive difference in power ?
2016 M235I with intercooler, chargepipe, 3.5 bar map sensors upgrade both, downpipe, tune and cut stock intake box wider or aftermarket intake and you will have a heck of a car. Most may disagree bit the 3.5 bar map sensors made a huge difference even without an upgraded turbo.
I’ve been watching you for awhile but havent for the past 2 months. I just bought my 2015 m235i on december 22nd. That saying is really true, once you buy a car, you start seeing it around alot more hahahah
For the more typical non-turbo bolt-ons on 93 octane or lower, both the N55 and B58 have fueling issues once you get into the 400whp range. Basically a tune and downpipe will put you in that realm. The B58 makes and sustains a bit more power from 6300 to 7000rpms which gives it better top end legs and the air to liquid intercooling is more efficient. In sub 120mph racing and similar mods, the cars will generate similar acceleration numbers. The B58 has a ton more complexity, lots more cooling components, and a rear mounted timing chain so longterm maintenance costs could be high.
Although the B58 does seem a lot more complex than the N55, I do think it’ll still be really reliable, since Toyota did help BMW with the development of it during the Supra.
Its a no brainer - the M235i was discontinued in 2017 and was replaced by the M240i - better engine - better performance - if you cant afford an M240i then get an M235i
Yea, the 235i is such a good choice dude, congratz! and with the 2 series in general, you really aren't going to need more than 400-450 max, anymore and you sacrifice the drivability of the car and the balance as well
@@lamakicker69 I don’t think so. The only difference in my eyes is reliability and makeup of the engine. The b58 does make power abit easier though like you said and quicker from the factory but both can be tuned to how you want it fairly easy
@@garrenfitzgerald5060 well what you think is wrong. N55 makes about 380-400whp on a Stage 2+ OTS tune. Those tunes also require upgraded downpipe, chargepipe, and intercooler. B58 on a stage 2+ OTS tune makes 500+whp with a downpipe and HPFP needed. The N55 is a great engine but the B58 absolutely destroys it and it’s not even close. Makes far more power, with less mods, and is more reliable.
@@lamakicker69 you can run a tune on the n55 ewg you don’t have to have those mods. There a smart choice and efficient but not a must have if you just want a tune. And my buddy has a m340i with just a tune and dp and he hit 445whp. , my n55 with just e85, hpfp and a charge pipe dyno’d 419/440rwt on a mustang dyno.
@@garrenfitzgerald5060 obviously you can run a stage 1 tune with no mods…but if you want higher tunes you need those mods(unless you want to risk damaging your engine). Your car required more mods and e85 and was still 30whp less lol and that’s with a bad tune on your friends car. Stage 2 (just a downpipe) on the M340i should be 480-500whp…with some e85 it’s 520+whp. Your friend has a shitty tune. It is an undisputed FACT that the B58 is more reliable, it makes more power stock, and it makes far more power when tuned. The N55 is a great engine, but the B58 is far better. Go ask literally any BMW tuner or BMW forum/subreddit and every single person will tell you the B58 blows the N55 out of the water.
I've got an M140i. If I were to modify it, the first thing would be an LSD, otherwise you're just going to spin any extra power away in rubber and smoke and then end up in a ditch. I absolutely love it though, proper hooligan car when you want it to be, then a sensible family hatchback with a decent boot (trunk for my American cousins) and fold down rear seats when you want to be sensible and go food (grocery) shopping.
As someone who owns an M240i, after comparing both, the M240i drives better, and is faster. It is a lot smoother and I think the exhaust note is better. Also a 0-60 of 4.1 seconds of the m240i challenging the M2
apparently when you throw a catless dp on the m235 you can really hear the turbo. i could not find a m240 that sounds the same with a catless dp. whats your experience?
My understanding was the m240i was the m235i successor. Yet they're now making a 2021 m235i grand coupe but the m240i is not made in the grand coupe? Is that correct? So Is the m235 grand coupe using the M240s B58 engine?
Believe it or not! The M235i fits you better than the 335i. After checking out the videos, you definitely hooked yourself up good! "Simply just a car thang" boyeee!
Most Supra enthusiasts are taking a big dump on the incoming model. They are going to be blown away when the reality of the B58 slaps them in the face...
@@Jashue id say let the current companies tune/mod the mk5 and people will start looking stupid once they found out at the last minute it's a good engine.
Great question. Based on research and test study the M240i would be more reliable. The engine is very similar to the B58 used in the Toyota Supra and Toyota tested the engine against their standards and it passed so that alone would sway me to the M240i. The M4 is larger and has more expensive components all together so the price to own would be more but it is not a nightmare to own like some older BMW M cars with V8/V10 engines. Hope this helps some!
1:01 I live in Wales :) It;s been 2 weeks of rain non stop now ... roads are ok for driving but speed cameras are not uncommon (mobile and fixed) and sometimes bad road surface between smaller villages). We can get these cars in UK 2015 plate /50k miles for 15k GBP (20k USD) so I think that's very similar. For your price we can buy 2016/2017 plat 25k miles full loaded. Only 69 for sale on Autotrader today.
For what a BMW M235i goes for in today's market, what made you buy one over a 340i? I have found that the 340i is a bit cheaper with the same miles as an M235i.
The biggest advantage is the close deck design. Look up the Supra videos explaining it and you'll see why the B58 is better. I has more potential once the after market pays more attention when the supra is released. BMW knows that with the supra having this engine, aftermarket is gonna pickup for these engines, and thus increase its popularity in the street world. Also, they didn't give the Supra as much power in stock form to keep insurance prices down, we all know the potential this engine has.
Nice video mate...really enjoyed it. haven't been on your channel for a long time But I have to say I will probably be back again soon. You seem more comfortable in your own skin now as compared with some of the early stuff you did when you had the 335i. As for your choice of car, I really like how you're thinking. These are some of cars that are helping BMW maintain it's mojo IMO. Smaller, lighter cars designed for driving orientated enthusiasts while retaining decent practicality...that magic formula that BMW have done so well in the past. That's not to say that the bigger brutes aren't awesome machines (by all accounts they are pretty amazing) but I'm really glad that BMW didn't just abandon this segment of the market. The M legends (E46 M3 for example) are getting pretty long in the tooth now and it's getting harder to find one (here where I live anyway...I've been looking) without buying a beaten up one that will become a project car. Hard to get much more performance out of them too without some serious mods. So, it seems to me that the current performance 2 series cars, obviously the M2 but also the 235i and 240i are worthy successors to spot in the used car market that has been occupied by the older M3 cars. Smaller and lighter. It's so often a recipe for fun.
all your videos are good, very good comments. I bought my first BMW 335i sport line N55 engine for my son and I had no problem (one year ago). In November I bought an M235i for myself and so far I have not had any problems.
Few years have passed. I think B58's improved cooling has kinda proven to be effective and an efficient engine, alone with the ZF8 autobox (dct is also just fine). Currently own a 128 stick, about to sell it cuz family is growing. But I'm definitely coming back for a M240 in a few years. 1/2 series are such a fun car to drive and easy own. Great review as always~
What do you think about RWD vs XDrive? I had a M235 (no LSD) from 2014-2017 and was constantly frustrated with keeping the back wheels down. I have a Giulia AWD and love it but I miss the 2er. Will a 240 with an LSD solve those sideways problems or is XDrive the way to go with all that power?
@@germanengineering204 speed.academy/the-2020-gr-supra-is-a-lot-more-toyota-than-you-think/ Last paragraph of first page. That’s one of the sources I could find quick. In essence, Toyota has done a lot of testing of this B58 motor to make sure it lived up to Toyota reliability standards and some things were changed
m235i all day. The 240 is just as dope but you may as well get the Supra, atleast I would. for the price you get the same engine in a more iconic car for cheaper with the same if not more potential.
Great review! I own a 2017 M240ixDrive, and absolutely adore this car. The only issue I have had is that during warmer weather on longer drives, the engine does eat a bit of coolant and I have had to re-fill the coolant. Had dealer check this out and they found no issues. Other than that, this car just absolutely exceeds the value of the sum of its parts.
Joe Blow thank you! I totally believe it, my brief experience of driving an M240i was fantastic and i loved it. I’m curious about the coolant consumption ive read about that on the forums as well
Curious to your thoughts 1yr later now that there are some more used M240i on the market. I'm seeing quite a lot of the M240i sale for maybe $5k more for same miles.
I got the M235i as my first ever car. When I was choosing a car to buy, I narrowed it down to two M240i's and an M235i. The only real reason I went with the one I did was the colour and that it had an auto transmission (I wanted to try an auto and it's a tiny bit faster). One of the M240i's and the M235i were about the same price with the former being slightly more due to it being a bit newer and had lower mileage. I don't think it honestly makes much difference which you buy. They seem very very similar even if their engines are different (albeit same spec).
@@Noname-od5zy I got the M240i! Love it. My only complaint is the roads in Minnesota are often in bad shape and the stock suspension can bounce you around like a pogo-stick. :-) Still, love the car.
Hey! just a quick question. Found a guy selling his 335xi for a fairly low price with a leaking head gasket. It’s at 75k miles and also has a bad alternator. Should i buy it and have it repaired or just pass?
@@peterodogwu8497 generally, OEM BMW parts can be found for cheap/decent prices if you look hard enough. If you aren't up for the labor or don't have the resources/ tools, then pay an indy mechanic. If you want it, go for it. Just don't take your car to the stealership lol .
@@peterodogwu8497 I blew my front diff on my xi and the dealership wanted $3,000 for a new one not including labor. I picked up a used diff with low miles for around $280 and had my mechanic install for around $3-400 . If you have a buddy and proper tools, you can definitely save the labor cost.
Interesting video. I'm trying to decide between the two at the moment, I sway towards the 235i manual 6 speed at the moment, I feel in 20 years time it will be/still be one of the great affordable "everyman" coupes of the petrol era. One to care for and run long after they stop producing fossil fuel cars full stop
Yea i think it's going to be a great bargain buy as these cars age. They're so much fun to drive and have a ton of creature comforts and practicality with them as well.
I owned a 135 2013 and it was a great car now i want to upgrade and thinking about N55 or B58, N55 is far one the best cars i have ever driven, now i have good alternatives 2017 N55 19 km and 2017 B58 13 km, price difference about 5k. I like N55 since is a good developed and reliabe engine and price adjust better to my budget. i´d like to hear you guys....:)
How's the gas mileage/performance? I'm thinking about trading in my 2017 gt mustang to get this car.I'm worried about maintaining a BMW. Did you get a warranty on the car?
trayonelove If you take care of the car it will take care of you. Honestly we’ve had BMWs in the family for a long time and it’s never been this huge burden that everyone says it is. BUT, you have to take care of it. Know your way around the car. Get to know it. Once you do, youll know when something doesnt sound right or doesnt feel right and get to fixing the issue before it becomes an expensive issue. As far as performance, you will not be disappointed. Go test drive a few. Every car requires maintenance, but some cars you can put if off for longer before it becomes an issue. (And yes if you regularly change your oil at the dealer it will cost you, with any car. Dealers rip you off. Personal opinion I guess)
Recently bought a n55 car and i have many friends with the same powerplant. Its wonderfully reliable. There is a few common issues to take care of but the motor itself is very solid. Would be a good trade imo
I have a 400whp 2014 335i with basically the same power-plant, it has almost 100k miles with no issues. It gets about 25mpg average and 30+ on the hwy i am very happy with it
love it, gas mileage is fantastic so far averaging around 23.5mpg with normal/mildly aggressive driving. reliability so far has been wonderful. i didnt purchase a warranty
@@SimplyCarThings sweet... Down here in South Florida one of the best places in the US for used car dealers that generally sell 3-5 year old highly sought after luxury and performance cars with between 40 and 50k miles for usually between 18 and 24K dollars... I know that's very specific but it's true. These dealerships are everywhere and will finance anybody. That's why you see so many broke people driving beamers and benzes down here. They only make about $500 to $1,000 per car as they work on a volume basis and can sell 50 cars some days because the prices are so great. So in terms of finding something like a 2016 m235i or an S3 or an a35... Fort Lauderdale area is the best there is ... These dealers have like 15,000 ft warehouses filled with awesome cars. A lot of people actually come down to fort Lauderdale and Hollywood Florida from all over the US to buy cars. I'm glad I live here as I'm a car fanatic and can't afford a brand new m235i but I've seen them for as low as $18,000 with clean Carfax. Still have my 2016 mk7 Golf R But the lease is up in a couple months so I think it's time for a proper driver's car. Golf R wasn't that even though it was good. Sorry about the long message by the way
Greetings from England!! Love your videos, was just wondering why the US didn't get the M135i or the M140i. I've owned my 140 for 15 months now and it's an amazing hyper hatch, fast and definitely a driver's car, with the power all going to the rear wheels making it really twitchy in the wet. Just about to get my first proper mod done, the Remus back axle exhaust, which I will follow with an improved air intake system. By the way, the 140 also has the B58 and its amazing lump, as you've noticed, no noticeable torque delay and now a tuner's dream!!!
@@Moondoggy1941 they obviously decided at the time that they wouldn't sell enough of them to make it worth their while, purely on a financial basis I guess!!
@@andrewlee5237 I believe that it is more of an F U thing, than money. BMW is still mad at the way the 3118 TI came out was kinda of a failure, especially after Nissan did a drag race with the Sentra blowing it doors off
jim carson I think the car was a lukewarm attempt to build a hot hatch which BMW wasn’t really in the market for. It wasn’t until 2012 when they built their first proper hot hatch, the M135i, that they started to compete in this sector followed by the M140i, which I own, then the new M135i which became a 4 cylinder FWD, a backward step in my opinion
Hey buddy! Really like the content! I am pretty much all set on my next car being the m235xi. However there is a question still lingering that hopefully you could answer for me because I can’t seem to get a straight answer online. Do you have Apple Carplay in your car? If you could elaborate on the availability of this for the m235xi I’m sure you’d not only be answering my question but a bunch of other people’s as well.
Cannot find a used manual transmission M235 or M240. I sold my 2016 M235 because I ordered it with auto, instead of manual. Very disappointed. All my M3's and 328i's of the past are manual. Will order a 2021 through Costco Auto Program. The best value is buying it stock and enjoy it without taking it to an "illegal" chop shop and butcher it. First, you already lose value the moment you drive off the lot. Then you spend hundreds or even thousands more for something you will never use on a regular basis. Then something will break every few months. Very sad to see a nice BMW/Porsche that are heavily modified.
Love your videos. I just picked up a 2017 M240i rwd auto. No performance exhaust no LED headlights. How much am I missing those items and how hard is it to retro fit into the car? Should I get a M diff? I just drive on the street. Thanks and I’ll keep watching and sharing
Nando but it’s a 2 car comparison, so if the 2nd car is almost the same whys there a comparison in the first place ? I’ve owned both and yes they are similar but completely different driving characteristics
I’m biased towards N55 because I have a M2, but I do think the B58 will be reliable because Toyota did help develop it. I actually wished BMW offered the M2 with the B58 instead of the N55.
samuel, i heard the engineering was done in germany but toyota would bring parts to its factory for stress testing. and the "s"58 is coming to the m2 soon. first, it will make its debut in the m3 with 505 hp.
Hey u mentioned welsh country side thats where i live, shocked to hear an american know the country wales in the uk, u been here before?? Nice car btw the way im currently saving for an m240i decisions on the manual or dct, never drove an auto before
+1 for the N55 for proven reliability. Also, whichever one you pick you will probably need an LSD.
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What's the most hp you can get from an M235i without third-party/after market parts? I'm considering buying one used but all of this is new for me and I want to play it safe until I learn more
320hp & 332lb/tq is the most you'll get without any sort of bolt on upgrade or software flash. its plenty of power to have fun with
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@@SimplyCarThings Thanks man! Really appreciate your reply. What's a safe limit for hp improvement with a software flash? Businesses in my city claim that they can get up to 80hp with a stage 2, but I don't know if that could be real and/or damage the engine
@ honestly you can squeeze an extra 150+whp with the right setup. just stay on top of your maintenance and take care of the car. These engines/gearboxes are built to handle a lot of power!
ive noticed when trying to max speed on stock m235i that even on flat road traction control always kicks in and nearly makes me crash. maybe the wind?? idk but whenever i try to max speed now i always take traction control off
@Formidable Legend123 lol every N54 owner knows the risk they take with that great power. It's not a choice, it's a lifestyle having Triple A Towing on standby! 😂😭
Realistically you're not going to see much of a difference in performance between the M235 and M240 unless you mod it a lot. The N55 is probably more reliable.
I traded my M235i for an M240 and a hand full of cash. I couldn't be happier with both cars. The paint work on the M235i was a bit thin so I made sure to ceramic coat my M240i and put ppf on the bumper.
Which one drives better ? And which one sounds better ? I’m so indecisive right now I need help Iv short listed 2 cars but I felt the 235i sounds more aggressive ?
@@Noname-od5zy pros for the 235i. Sounds better and had slightly more at the top end. Pros for the m240i engine is even smoother, more power and torque through the low and mid range. Less turbo lag in comfort. Better fuel economy. Closed block design is stronger so better for turning up the boost. You will be delighted with iether. Put an msport exhaust on the m240 and out sounds good especaily in sports.
ChipZilla69 thanks you How much would one of those msport exhausts go for ? I had a 435d x drive convertible but it got abit boring need something more nippy
@@Noname-od5zy used msport exhaust is around £350 and new is £650. Fitting is extra. Fuel economy not impacted by exhaust. M235i and m240i are the same car so drive the same. M240 has a face lift and the new b58 engine as opposed to the n55 in the older model.
655RWHP B58 M240i (NO Meth NO PI)
www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?10211-BigBoost-increases-their-B58-output-world-record-to-655-rwhp-Most-powerful-F22-M240i
Simply Car Things Damn I was thinking about buying a 2011 E90 N55 but starting to consider the B58 now..
was literally debating this decision, and you're the only one with a video about this comparison! ty!
youre very welcome man! glad it was helpful
T K which one did you get
I owned an m235i and now have an m240i. You will be happy with either one but i do love my m240i. Stay away from the 220 m235i units you want a glorified mini cooper works.
@@ChipZilla69 what do you mean by that last statement?
@@rsparth they changed the chassis and you can only get a 2 little turbo on the got model and not the 3lt 6 cylinder b58 engine. It's also gone 4 wheel drive
Speed tech stage 3 turbo for n55
- Vehicle configuration: 2014 335i. Speedtech Stage 3 Turbo. Speedtech Port Injection. Stock intercooler/airbox/airbox tube/air filter/exhaust.
- Boost set to 18psi at 3000rpm ramp to 25psi at 6000rpm
- 628whp, 539wtq
- Spool-up by 3000rpm
- Over 500 ft*lbs between 3800 to 6500rpm, over 450 ft*lbs between 3000 to 7000 rpm, providing great street performance.
Keeping stock reliability and drivability
Deven Green that is AWESOME, are you in CA? We should link up for a video
Deven Green i have the same year/car and am looking to get in the 600whp club i was looking at the speedtech kit but also the bigboost kit. How are you liking the speedtech kit and how much did it cost in total to be 600whp
that’s sick!! i’m looking to get an E90 N55 with power goals at around 500hp so hearing that there are people pushing that wayyy more is awesome :)
Bro you should at least upgrade your intercooler and charge pipes. Not sure about the down pipe as no one has really proven the stock one to be an issue with higher pressure, but might as well play it say with a high flow DP.
This is literaly the text they use on their site
I am an owner of M235i🫶, had some oil leak problems( typically BMW) , from what i heard the M240i B58 has no more oil leak and is a bit better at almost everything than N55, but N55 has the better sound , and for me that's important as well, if you want you can easily get 400-500 HP for each motor. So both are great choices❤
Dervtech in the UK can tune remotely or via OBD, on a stage 1 remap the M240i can give 440bhp with all standard hardware.
"start to see M240is creeping down in price" oof, if only we knew that $25k for a 235i with 40k miles in 2019 was a great deal by 2021 standards.
Facts. Looking at either for myself and I can't get over how much the prices went up over the last few years.
I’m looking for a used 2019 M240i and the market is insanely high for used cars right now. I might wait it out.
$32k for a 2015 235i with 37k miles today. Yeah could’ve made some money on these cars nowadays
I paid 33 for a 230i 2019…. 24k miles.
And I love it, it’s not as fast as the 235 or 240 but it’s still quick asf
Was just cruising with either an m235i or an m240i and gotta say one of the best sounding cars ever. 😍 and looks amazing too. Definitely would be on my list if I were to get a nicer car later in life
I think it was M235i(N55), it has a better sound, but the M240i(B58) is a bit better overall.
2017 M240 with Noelle Tune which keeps the warranty - 440 hp: absolutely kills it at the track (Chuckwalla, Streets of Willow, Button Willow). Amazing handling with solid brakes make it a complete joy to drive. Quite a sleeper and worth every penny.
Nice man! I recently took my M4 out to Big Willow & Chuckwalla, such a blast
@@SimplyCarThings I'm thinking of running Big Willow, but that's a really high-speed track. Perfect for the M4. Good luck out there!
It really comes down to whether you want to feel a bit more power, or you want to go warp 7! Just depends on the person! Neither is wrong! Personally, I'm not Interested in going 175mph, but tapping into the potential of my car is fun! I'll leave the Space Shuttle on the launch pad! Lol
couldn't agree more!
What’s warp 7?
Thanks for your vids man. I have been researching cars for about a year now. I was convinced I wanted a new VW golf or perhaps an audi a4 or s3. I've owned Honda products over the past 18 years. 2 Integra's GSRs. Civic Si. RSX-S (wrecked). ILX. I meticulously maintain my cars and love to drive. Everyone told me to look into BMW. I thought "they're nice but overpriced". I saw a blue m240i last summer and was locked in. Your videos along with a handful of others have been helping me maintain my sanity that this is the perfect car and my search needed to get deeper.
I looked around new/used for months. I'm in KC. Finding one on a dealership's lot was tedious. They had a ton of 230is. I knew I needed that v6 coming from a long line of underpowered 4 cyclinder cars. The prices were crazy too. We're talking close to 50k for a fully loaded 230i xdrive. 230 not 235i or 240. KC dealers simply know that they can sell the few cars they stock to the Kansas city elite over the course of the year. Snooty dealers that don't inspire love for the brand. They know what's hot in the lineup (M3/M4, 340, 440, m235/240) but they don't have any of those cars even to test drive. I kept looking cross country and found one in Wichita. I feel like a lucky man as I signed a low mileage lease for my new 2019 m240i xdrive - mineral gray. Less than 47k all in. Cannot believe how much superior this car is to what I had before. Maybe the dealer was right? The 230i should be enough power for anyone on the road. This inline 6 however is a demon on the road. I never felt so confident. It's much faster than I thought and seems much faster than 95% of traffic on my commute any given day. You can pass anything at will in this car. There is no such thing as 45mph in this car. You know no one can mess with you in the car as you can just blow by them and watch them vanish in the ether. I'm almost hesitant to drive in sports plus mode as the demon is unleashed further and seems to demand twice the gas. My stomach got quesy the first few times I floored it to "see of TH-cam was right about the acceleration" (yes you guys were). It's hard to explain the joy of driving a car this fast to others that haven't experienced it. The tech is fantastic as well. The digital readout on the display is badass as well. I'm looking for excuses to take it out and rev it up. I'm wanting my friends and family to drive it to let me know it's not an illusion that it's lighting fast. I'm 6 days in to ownership and have my first mod. I did puddle lights that display "M" on the ground when the door opens. Actually pretty stock looking. My only wish is that I could hear the engine more. I'm just starting to look into that but I'm still a novice with car repair etc. Looking forward to watching you mod that gorgeous blue 235!
If you haven't already got it wack the M-Sport Exhaust on, then just drive everywhere with the window slightly open, the barble and pops are awesome....
That's what I do, you'll never get bored until the winter when you have to drive with the windows shut. Lol
I'm so glad you got an M235i right when I'm in the market for one too, timing couldn't have been better.
yessir! you wont regret getting one!
Manny M did you get the m235i ? I’m confused between the two , I was about to get the m240i but then I liked the sound of the 235i , which one do you recommend is there a massive difference in power ?
2016 M235I with intercooler, chargepipe, 3.5 bar map sensors upgrade both, downpipe, tune and cut stock intake box wider or aftermarket intake and you will have a heck of a car. Most may disagree bit the 3.5 bar map sensors made a huge difference even without an upgraded turbo.
I’ve been watching you for awhile but havent for the past 2 months. I just bought my 2015 m235i on december 22nd. That saying is really true, once you buy a car, you start seeing it around alot more hahahah
that's crazy haha! whats even crazier is you bought your m235i on my birthday lol!
Have you enjoyed your car? I'm getting one this week. Excited
@@owenlee9474 the car has been really reliable and its a hell of a daily lol. Hope you enjoy it!
@@iMixBass Had it now for 5 days. Best purchase of my life 🥳 what a beast!!!
For the more typical non-turbo bolt-ons on 93 octane or lower, both the N55 and B58 have fueling issues once you get into the 400whp range. Basically a tune and downpipe will put you in that realm. The B58 makes and sustains a bit more power from 6300 to 7000rpms which gives it better top end legs and the air to liquid intercooling is more efficient. In sub 120mph racing and similar mods, the cars will generate similar acceleration numbers. The B58 has a ton more complexity, lots more cooling components, and a rear mounted timing chain so longterm maintenance costs could be high.
Although the B58 does seem a lot more complex than the N55, I do think it’ll still be really reliable, since Toyota did help BMW with the development of it during the Supra.
why the hell did they decide to stick the timing belt on the back??
@@mcintosh.motors its supposed to last the lifetime of the car
Yeah and just throw the TU fuel pump from the new b58s onto your old b58 and you’re golden
@@hurpaderppa belt will never last the lifetime of the car. A chain maybe, but a belt never.
Its a no brainer - the M235i was discontinued in 2017 and was replaced by the M240i - better engine - better performance - if you cant afford an M240i then get an M235i
spot on mate
No way, b58 is a ling
@@georgiosioakeimidis990 what lmao?
I live in the Welsh countryside. Surprised the US have heard of Wales! Good video btw
Yea, the 235i is such a good choice dude, congratz! and with the 2 series in general, you really aren't going to need more than 400-450 max, anymore and you sacrifice the drivability of the car and the balance as well
But you can make 400-450 with the B58 much easier. The B58 blows the N55 out of the water.
@@lamakicker69 I don’t think so. The only difference in my eyes is reliability and makeup of the engine. The b58 does make power abit easier though like you said and quicker from the factory but both can be tuned to how you want it fairly easy
@@garrenfitzgerald5060 well what you think is wrong.
N55 makes about 380-400whp on a Stage 2+ OTS tune. Those tunes also require upgraded downpipe, chargepipe, and intercooler.
B58 on a stage 2+ OTS tune makes 500+whp with a downpipe and HPFP needed.
The N55 is a great engine but the B58 absolutely destroys it and it’s not even close. Makes far more power, with less mods, and is more reliable.
@@lamakicker69 you can run a tune on the n55 ewg you don’t have to have those mods. There a smart choice and efficient but not a must have if you just want a tune. And my buddy has a m340i with just a tune and dp and he hit 445whp. , my n55 with just e85, hpfp and a charge pipe dyno’d 419/440rwt on a mustang dyno.
@@garrenfitzgerald5060 obviously you can run a stage 1 tune with no mods…but if you want higher tunes you need those mods(unless you want to risk damaging your engine). Your car required more mods and e85 and was still 30whp less lol and that’s with a bad tune on your friends car. Stage 2 (just a downpipe) on the M340i should be 480-500whp…with some e85 it’s 520+whp. Your friend has a shitty tune.
It is an undisputed FACT that the B58 is more reliable, it makes more power stock, and it makes far more power when tuned. The N55 is a great engine, but the B58 is far better. Go ask literally any BMW tuner or BMW forum/subreddit and every single person will tell you the B58 blows the N55 out of the water.
I've got an M140i. If I were to modify it, the first thing would be an LSD, otherwise you're just going to spin any extra power away in rubber and smoke and then end up in a ditch. I absolutely love it though, proper hooligan car when you want it to be, then a sensible family hatchback with a decent boot (trunk for my American cousins) and fold down rear seats when you want to be sensible and go food (grocery) shopping.
As someone who owns an M240i, after comparing both, the M240i drives better, and is faster. It is a lot smoother and I think the exhaust note is better. Also a 0-60 of 4.1 seconds of the m240i challenging the M2
Yea I definitely agree, it's an amazing car
4.1 with Xdrive, not RWD
apparently when you throw a catless dp on the m235 you can really hear the turbo. i could not find a m240 that sounds the same with a catless dp. whats your experience?
excellent delivery - all facts at your fingertips and seamlessly linked together whilst driving and at a speed and clarity easily absorbed :)
david stuart thank you so much man! That’s very kind of you to say that, glad you enjoyed the vid!
My understanding was the m240i was the m235i successor. Yet they're now making a 2021 m235i grand coupe but the m240i is not made in the grand coupe? Is that correct? So Is the m235 grand coupe using the M240s B58 engine?
Believe it or not! The M235i fits you better than the 335i. After checking out the videos, you definitely hooked yourself up good! "Simply just a car thang" boyeee!
ayyyy! i agree, thanks Steven!
I drive a modded N20 powered 328i and I'm feening for the 2 series, thinking M235i with some basic mods, sounds like you like yours
Chris Garret you should go for it man, its an amazing car!
Simply Car Things got impatient and bought a 2015 335i M Sport yesterday it’s nice, gonna mod it too.
Chris Garret congrats man! That’s super awesome!
Interesting to see how the B58 gets built up by supra owners looking to crack crazy performance out of it
yea we'll see its potential being pushed to the limits pretty soon
Most Supra enthusiasts are taking a big dump on the incoming model. They are going to be blown away when the reality of the B58 slaps them in the face...
@@Jashue id say let the current companies tune/mod the mk5 and people will start looking stupid once they found out at the last minute it's a good engine.
Okay but how would a M4 reliability compare to the M240i ?
Great question. Based on research and test study the M240i would be more reliable. The engine is very similar to the B58 used in the Toyota Supra and Toyota tested the engine against their standards and it passed so that alone would sway me to the M240i. The M4 is larger and has more expensive components all together so the price to own would be more but it is not a nightmare to own like some older BMW M cars with V8/V10 engines. Hope this helps some!
So glad you know Wales!
Daniel Mapps ive always wanted to visit! One day in the near future when money isnt as much of an issue 🙏🏼
Another brilliant video talking a lot of sense as you say it comes down to power both cars are awesome
thanks Paul! Appreciate your input as always
1:01 I live in Wales :) It;s been 2 weeks of rain non stop now ... roads are ok for driving but speed cameras are not uncommon (mobile and fixed) and sometimes bad road surface between smaller villages). We can get these cars in UK 2015 plate /50k miles for 15k GBP (20k USD) so I think that's very similar. For your price we can buy 2016/2017 plat 25k miles full loaded. Only 69 for sale on Autotrader today.
wow thats a pretty good deal! Very cool to see you live in wales, beautiful area!
im welsh to
For what a BMW M235i goes for in today's market, what made you buy one over a 340i? I have found that the 340i is a bit cheaper with the same miles as an M235i.
The biggest advantage is the close deck design. Look up the Supra videos explaining it and you'll see why the B58 is better. I has more potential once the after market pays more attention when the supra is released. BMW knows that with the supra having this engine, aftermarket is gonna pickup for these engines, and thus increase its popularity in the street world. Also, they didn't give the Supra as much power in stock form to keep insurance prices down, we all know the potential this engine has.
MHD is also developing a flasher app for the B58 engine as well
Hearing that it was possible to buy a lightly used m4 for 40k is crazy. I wish that were the case nowadays.
Nice video mate...really enjoyed it. haven't been on your channel for a long time But I have to say I will probably be back again soon. You seem more comfortable in your own skin now as compared with some of the early stuff you did when you had the 335i.
As for your choice of car, I really like how you're thinking. These are some of cars that are helping BMW maintain it's mojo IMO. Smaller, lighter cars designed for driving orientated enthusiasts while retaining decent practicality...that magic formula that BMW have done so well in the past. That's not to say that the bigger brutes aren't awesome machines (by all accounts they are pretty amazing) but I'm really glad that BMW didn't just abandon this segment of the market. The M legends (E46 M3 for example) are getting pretty long in the tooth now and it's getting harder to find one (here where I live anyway...I've been looking) without buying a beaten up one that will become a project car. Hard to get much more performance out of them too without some serious mods.
So, it seems to me that the current performance 2 series cars, obviously the M2 but also the 235i and 240i are worthy successors to spot in the used car market that has been occupied by the older M3 cars. Smaller and lighter. It's so often a recipe for fun.
Cant wait to see the potential of the b58
me too bro!
Love the videos man. That m235i is awesome, definitely would want one after college
hitandrun117 thank you man! yea its a really fun car!
I have an m240i in the LA area, always looking for people to drive with! Congrats on the car!
i have a 16 m235 and am in LA, hmu bro im always down to cruise PCH
M235i ALL DAY!!!
I love my N55 granted it has a 6266 top mount turbo on it
oh man, that must be a blast haha
all your videos are good, very good comments. I bought my first BMW 335i sport line N55 engine for my son and I had no problem (one year ago). In November I bought an M235i for myself and so far I have not had any problems.
Few years have passed. I think B58's improved cooling has kinda proven to be effective and an efficient engine, alone with the ZF8 autobox (dct is also just fine).
Currently own a 128 stick, about to sell it cuz family is growing. But I'm definitely coming back for a M240 in a few years. 1/2 series are such a fun car to drive and easy own.
Great review as always~
Na blad. 5 and 6 series all the way star. Ya get me don?!
@@MCorrigan a pedophobe would say that
I've done a search with no answer ... is the 8speed Auto in the 235 or 240 a ZF 8-speed or a DCT or just an in-house BMW 8 speed trans?
What do you think about RWD vs XDrive? I had a M235 (no LSD) from 2014-2017 and was constantly frustrated with keeping the back wheels down. I have a Giulia AWD and love it but I miss the 2er. Will a 240 with an LSD solve those sideways problems or is XDrive the way to go with all that power?
I got me some pilot 4s and it improved that problem quite a bit. But then again I'm not tracking otherwise the LSD is mandatory.
That blue paint is so nice bro!
thanks!
I feel like a n55 e82 is way better value than a m235, but the b58 might make the 40 worth it
yea it really depends on what your preference is. i personally like the the looks of the 2 series a lot more
Estoril blue metallic is really a nice color!
it really is, i love it!
The B58 is going to be reliable why would Toyota risk there name putting it in the new supra. They know it's a good engine.
onimusha5dm Toyota re engineered the motor so it can meet their reliability standards
@@michaelnikprelaj6679 2020s going to be intersting with the B58,new 7.3L V8 that ford made,and mazdas 3.0L I6.
@@michaelnikprelaj6679 please send me a link because from what I hear the motor is exactly the same pretty sure you're misinformed!
@@germanengineering204 speed.academy/the-2020-gr-supra-is-a-lot-more-toyota-than-you-think/
Last paragraph of first page. That’s one of the sources I could find quick. In essence, Toyota has done a lot of testing of this B58 motor to make sure it lived up to Toyota reliability standards and some things were changed
@@michaelnikprelaj6679 I actually had found out that they used a ton of other components it's mostly a BMW honestly!
m235i all day. The 240 is just as dope but you may as well get the Supra, atleast I would. for the price you get the same engine in a more iconic car for cheaper with the same if not more potential.
Great review! I own a 2017 M240ixDrive, and absolutely adore this car. The only issue I have had is that during warmer weather on longer drives, the engine does eat a bit of coolant and I have had to re-fill the coolant. Had dealer check this out and they found no issues. Other than that, this car just absolutely exceeds the value of the sum of its parts.
Joe Blow thank you! I totally believe it, my brief experience of driving an M240i was fantastic and i loved it. I’m curious about the coolant consumption ive read about that on the forums as well
what colour is yours?
@@toms_garage I have the Alpine White, love it - my first white car :)
@@crapcork Aww awesome! My first BMW in 2012 was in Alpine white also :)
Same here the M235i love coolant
Curious to your thoughts 1yr later now that there are some more used M240i on the market. I'm seeing quite a lot of the M240i sale for maybe $5k more for same miles.
Yea b58 in 240i is amazing
What is your opinion on a fully loaded 228i?
B58 is just better built and less things to worry about with the air to water intercooler
Has anyone ever tracked this car without upgrading the oil pan to keep the engine from oil starvation while harsh braking or cornering?
Hi bro, there is no steering or suspension retune for the m240? if not i guess getting myself a m235 is fine.
Can’t decide on 235 or 240i
I got the M235i as my first ever car.
When I was choosing a car to buy, I narrowed it down to two M240i's and an M235i.
The only real reason I went with the one I did was the colour and that it had an auto transmission (I wanted to try an auto and it's a tiny bit faster).
One of the M240i's and the M235i were about the same price with the former being slightly more due to it being a bit newer and had lower mileage.
I don't think it honestly makes much difference which you buy. They seem very very similar even if their engines are different (albeit same spec).
First ever car? How old are you dude? Or were you into bikes or something before?
different intro music please
Both are cars I'm considering; your review was very helpful.
i'm glad to hear that! You can't go wrong with either one.
S F which one did you get
@@Noname-od5zy I got the M240i! Love it. My only complaint is the roads in Minnesota are often in bad shape and the stock suspension can bounce you around like a pogo-stick. :-) Still, love the car.
@@sf222 that's why you should have order the adaptative springers as I've just did jejejeje
I have a 228i and I’m planning on buying a catless downpipe and buying the dinan performance package. Hopefully I can get above 320hp
i definitely think you can achieve that
rktunes had one at 682 whp, both can be tuned to extreme length.
Is there anyway you can change your videos. Can you change to pov?
Hi, where was this video shot? It’s beautiful!
7lameboy thanks! its not too far from palomar mountain!
Hey! just a quick question. Found a guy selling his 335xi for a fairly low price with a leaking head gasket. It’s at 75k miles and also has a bad alternator. Should i buy it and have it repaired or just pass?
Buy it, make friends with someone at a shop and do the install yourself
Yogi B you think it’s a good idea ?
@@peterodogwu8497 generally, OEM BMW parts can be found for cheap/decent prices if you look hard enough. If you aren't up for the labor or don't have the resources/ tools, then pay an indy mechanic. If you want it, go for it. Just don't take your car to the stealership lol .
@@peterodogwu8497 I blew my front diff on my xi and the dealership wanted $3,000 for a new one not including labor. I picked up a used diff with low miles for around $280 and had my mechanic install for around $3-400 . If you have a buddy and proper tools, you can definitely save the labor cost.
Yogi B thanks man ! I’ll look into it. Atleast someone replied.
Nice video, did you lower your M2?
Interesting video. I'm trying to decide between the two at the moment, I sway towards the 235i manual 6 speed at the moment, I feel in 20 years time it will be/still be one of the great affordable "everyman" coupes of the petrol era. One to care for and run long after they stop producing fossil fuel cars full stop
Yea i think it's going to be a great bargain buy as these cars age. They're so much fun to drive and have a ton of creature comforts and practicality with them as well.
I just bought one now
I owned a 135 2013 and it was a great car now i want to upgrade and thinking about N55 or B58, N55 is far one the best cars i have ever driven, now i have good alternatives 2017 N55 19 km and 2017 B58 13 km, price difference about 5k. I like N55 since is a good developed and reliabe engine and price adjust better to my budget. i´d like to hear you guys....:)
Personally, I wouldn't touch a B58
N55 is the way to go imo. Good luck with whatever you choose!
How's the gas mileage/performance? I'm thinking about trading in my 2017 gt mustang to get this car.I'm worried about maintaining a BMW. Did you get a warranty on the car?
trayonelove If you take care of the car it will take care of you. Honestly we’ve had BMWs in the family for a long time and it’s never been this huge burden that everyone says it is. BUT, you have to take care of it. Know your way around the car. Get to know it. Once you do, youll know when something doesnt sound right or doesnt feel right and get to fixing the issue before it becomes an expensive issue. As far as performance, you will not be disappointed. Go test drive a few. Every car requires maintenance, but some cars you can put if off for longer before it becomes an issue. (And yes if you regularly change your oil at the dealer it will cost you, with any car. Dealers rip you off. Personal opinion I guess)
Recently bought a n55 car and i have many friends with the same powerplant. Its wonderfully reliable. There is a few common issues to take care of but the motor itself is very solid. Would be a good trade imo
I have a 400whp 2014 335i with basically the same power-plant, it has almost 100k miles with no issues. It gets about 25mpg average and 30+ on the hwy i am very happy with it
love it, gas mileage is fantastic so far averaging around 23.5mpg with normal/mildly aggressive driving. reliability so far has been wonderful. i didnt purchase a warranty
Great video! I've been looking for a comparison of those two, so it's greatly appreciated. What year is your m235i if I may ask?
Thank you for watching! it's a 2015 model year!
@@SimplyCarThings sweet... Down here in South Florida one of the best places in the US for used car dealers that generally sell 3-5 year old highly sought after luxury and performance cars with between 40 and 50k miles for usually between 18 and 24K dollars... I know that's very specific but it's true. These dealerships are everywhere and will finance anybody. That's why you see so many broke people driving beamers and benzes down here. They only make about $500 to $1,000 per car as they work on a volume basis and can sell 50 cars some days because the prices are so great. So in terms of finding something like a 2016 m235i or an S3 or an a35... Fort Lauderdale area is the best there is ... These dealers have like 15,000 ft warehouses filled with awesome cars. A lot of people actually come down to fort Lauderdale and Hollywood Florida from all over the US to buy cars. I'm glad I live here as I'm a car fanatic and can't afford a brand new m235i but I've seen them for as low as $18,000 with clean Carfax. Still have my 2016 mk7 Golf R But the lease is up in a couple months so I think it's time for a proper driver's car. Golf R wasn't that even though it was good. Sorry about the long message by the way
Greetings from England!! Love your videos, was just wondering why the US didn't get the M135i or the M140i. I've owned my 140 for 15 months now and it's an amazing hyper hatch, fast and definitely a driver's car, with the power all going to the rear wheels making it really twitchy in the wet. Just about to get my first proper mod done, the Remus back axle exhaust, which I will follow with an improved air intake system. By the way, the 140 also has the B58 and its amazing lump, as you've noticed, no noticeable torque delay and now a tuner's dream!!!
BMW will not bring a hatch to the US.
@@Moondoggy1941 they obviously decided at the time that they wouldn't sell enough of them to make it worth their while, purely on a financial basis I guess!!
@@andrewlee5237 I believe that it is more of an F U thing, than money. BMW is still mad at the way the 3118 TI came out was kinda of a failure, especially after Nissan did a drag race with the Sentra blowing it doors off
jim carson I think the car was a lukewarm attempt to build a hot hatch which BMW wasn’t really in the market for. It wasn’t until 2012 when they built their first proper hot hatch, the M135i, that they started to compete in this sector followed by the M140i, which I own, then the new M135i which became a 4 cylinder FWD, a backward step in my opinion
dude. love my m235. not trading it. ever.
amazing car no doubt!
Hey buddy! Really like the content! I am pretty much all set on my next car being the m235xi. However there is a question still lingering that hopefully you could answer for me because I can’t seem to get a straight answer online. Do you have Apple Carplay in your car? If you could elaborate on the availability of this for the m235xi I’m sure you’d not only be answering my question but a bunch of other people’s as well.
Mine was a ‘15 so no apple car play! I believe only the ‘18+ M240i and upward have apple car play but i could be mistaken on that
Both are direct injection right? .. how’s the carbon build up??
I have the 2018 M240Xi it is a fun car to drive.
Cannot find a used manual transmission M235 or M240. I sold my 2016 M235 because I ordered it with auto, instead of manual. Very disappointed. All my M3's and 328i's of the past are manual.
Will order a 2021 through Costco Auto Program.
The best value is buying it stock and enjoy it without taking it to an "illegal" chop shop and butcher it. First, you already lose value the moment you drive off the lot. Then you spend hundreds or even thousands more for something you will never use on a regular basis. Then something will break every few months. Very sad to see a nice BMW/Porsche that are heavily modified.
What year is this car?
Love your videos. I just picked up a 2017 M240i rwd auto. No performance exhaust no LED headlights. How much am I missing those items and how hard is it to retro fit into the car? Should I get a M diff? I just drive on the street. Thanks and I’ll keep watching and sharing
I just got this lease return with 20000 miles for 33K
The xenons are generally considered to be pretty good. I wouldn't sweat it too much.
Which backroad is that?
f30 335i n55 400nm torque? I thought the n55 is 450nm standard
#N54gang ❤️
$400,000 for m240 in Singapore
Cool video, I would be happy with either tbh :)
Probs 240i if leasing and m235i if buying outright :)
You didn’t drive the 240, how can you compare it ?
its the same car. different engine, but mechanically nearly identical.
Nando completely different engine mate, try it
@@ianmitchell9102 yeah that's what I said. But besides the engine its mechanically the same car pretty much.
Nando but it’s a 2 car comparison, so if the 2nd car is almost the same whys there a comparison in the first place ?
I’ve owned both and yes they are similar but completely different driving characteristics
I’m biased towards N55 because I have a M2, but I do think the B58 will be reliable because Toyota did help develop it.
I actually wished BMW offered the M2 with the B58 instead of the N55.
i wish the same sometimes as well haha, but nevertheless the M2 is a wonderful car to drive. I'm jealous, i wish i owned one lol
samuel, i heard the engineering was done in germany but toyota would bring parts to its factory for stress testing. and the "s"58 is coming to the m2 soon. first, it will make its debut in the m3 with 505 hp.
bob starr The S58 already made its debut, with the X3/X4 M.
Hey u mentioned welsh country side thats where i live, shocked to hear an american know the country wales in the uk, u been here before?? Nice car btw the way im currently saving for an m240i decisions on the manual or dct, never drove an auto before
I was surprised by that, some amazing roads and scenery in Wales... I guess it's reputation precedes it, deservedly so.
m240i :)
Great video man! Thank you for sharing
no problem man! Thank you!
+1 for the N55 for proven reliability. Also, whichever one you pick you will probably need an LSD.
What's the most hp you can get from an M235i without third-party/after market parts? I'm considering buying one used but all of this is new for me and I want to play it safe until I learn more
320hp & 332lb/tq is the most you'll get without any sort of bolt on upgrade or software flash. its plenty of power to have fun with
@@SimplyCarThings Thanks man! Really appreciate your reply. What's a safe limit for hp improvement with a software flash? Businesses in my city claim that they can get up to 80hp with a stage 2, but I don't know if that could be real and/or damage the engine
@ honestly you can squeeze an extra 150+whp with the right setup. just stay on top of your maintenance and take care of the car. These engines/gearboxes are built to handle a lot of power!
B58 is A KIND
ive noticed when trying to max speed on stock m235i that even on flat road traction control always kicks in and nearly makes me crash.
maybe the wind?? idk but whenever i try to max speed now i always take traction control off
get better tires maybe, when doing high speeds like that tires really show their potential
N55 FTW🤪
N55
I’ve got the M240i on a 24month lease for £489.99/month with 0 deposit and 10k miles.... good deal?
#n54 🙌
@Formidable Legend123 lol every N54 owner knows the risk they take with that great power. It's not a choice, it's a lifestyle having Triple A Towing on standby! 😂😭
fuck bro I'm out here shopping but insurance is fucken insane
yea it is man
Realistically you're not going to see much of a difference in performance between the M235 and M240 unless you mod it a lot. The N55 is probably more reliable.
Yea that’s a great point. However, The B58 is revealing itself to be a very stout platform to make some good power if that’s your thing
Get back a 335i
The only problem I have is that neither is a "real" ///M car.
I traded my M235i for an M240 and a hand full of cash. I couldn't be happier with both cars. The paint work on the M235i was a bit thin so I made sure to ceramic coat my M240i and put ppf on the bumper.
Which one drives better ? And which one sounds better ? I’m so indecisive right now I need help Iv short listed 2 cars but I felt the 235i sounds more aggressive ?
@@Noname-od5zy pros for the 235i. Sounds better and had slightly more at the top end. Pros for the m240i engine is even smoother, more power and torque through the low and mid range. Less turbo lag in comfort. Better fuel economy. Closed block design is stronger so better for turning up the boost. You will be delighted with iether. Put an msport exhaust on the m240 and out sounds good especaily in sports.
ChipZilla69 thanks you How much would one of those msport exhausts go for ?
I had a 435d x drive convertible but it got abit boring need something more nippy
ChipZilla69 also do them exhausts have an impact on fuel consumption?
@@Noname-od5zy used msport exhaust is around £350 and new is £650. Fitting is extra. Fuel economy not impacted by exhaust. M235i and m240i are the same car so drive the same. M240 has a face lift and the new b58 engine as opposed to the n55 in the older model.
Biebs in the trap🔥🔥
you know how it is :D
What’s in the new m2s?
M2 has the N55 and the M2 Comp has an S55
Simply Car Things I knew the 2016 had it but even the 2017 and up have it or do they have b58s?
380whp 400whp on a n55 is more than plenty:)
i would agree!
i’m looking to buy an E90 N55 and my power goals are about 500hp. but each their own ;)
Philip McIntosh very achievable with ps2
you cant go wrong either way!
cstt probably going to go the pure turbos route, they’re doing awesome stuff
This was a fuckin good video man. Thanks