Klokov Caught Doping W/ "Time Travel Testing"
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- The entirety of the dominant Russian Olympic Weightlifting has been sanctioned for steroid use. Dmitry Klokov and Apti Aukhadov are amongst the names of six weightlifters who's B samples were tested retroactively and there were findings of exogenous androgens in the samples.
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wtf klokov isn't natty??? 😱
Ikr 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😨😨😨😨😨😨😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 im totally shocked and didnt know this whole time
We have all been lied to! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Not sure what to believe anymore...😥
What! You mean he isn't natty!????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💉💉💉💉💉💉
Nooooo dude I can’t believe it. Omg i can’t, this conspiracy theory is too much for my brain
The question is " Who in the weightlifting world is not on PEDs ? "
No the question is who in any sport isn't doping?
at this stage I just think all athletes are juiced and just haven't been caught yet 🤷♂️
@@edwardelric717 maybe chess players😂
@@KRSapphire honestly it seems like a waste to only let actors and bodybuilders juice anyway.
@@commonsensenotsocommon840 need that brain juice
Am I surprised? No.
Is Klokov still my favorite? Yes. 🏋🏽♂️
that "caught" tho, does anyone in the right mind genuinely believe that pro weightlifters are natural?
Sadly yes. Most people not in a strength sport believe this and get angry when anyone says otherwise
Most people are npc normies, so yes.
Yep. I've seen people arguing that many pro body builders are natural. "But it says natural on their profile"
some are
I do. Because I barely lift
"Everyone's on steroids" - Sun Tzu
More like confusion
"Everyone is on drugs" - Nate Diaz
@@lekkerpruven887 caffeine is a drug
@@gotentk4 yes, but not the first choice of the world class athletes.
@@lekkerpruven887 all athletes use caffeine
If they had two divisions, on gear and no gear, I’m willing to bet that people would still get popped for gear in the clean division. The desire to win will always trump common decency.
Of course, that’s the point of using
Exactly, no point. We need cleaner gear and better harm reduction. Also why the actual fuck has not a single biotech company on earth capitalized on grey market PED supplements and designing better well researched ones. Market them aggressively and make the world stronger 💪. Just seems like an enormous gap in the market for newcomers to tweak sarm formulas and clean them up with less side effects
Just like powerlifting my coach says none of the top level USAPL and IPF athletes are clean let alone the untested federations.
There are division "with no gear" like the Olympics and we all know what goes on there.
Maybe not, because natty lifting would probably be niche. There is little money in 35+ sports, and this would be similar. People love to see records...
If they definitively proved he DIDN’T juice, I would drop dead where I stand
^^^ the realist
Not even a question among the elites, pay to win. Just more expensive supplementation that's bad for your lifespan hahaha
I'd drink his blood, honeslty
I would like to add,
I own a biotech/biochem research company. My company has actually been contracted to do several studies on a multitude of anabolic compounds. There ARE better ways to test for steroids, but most importantly... there ARE safer ways to use steroids where athletes can get the most out of it without overdoing it. We are in the 5th year of a 15 year study on Turinabol. Let's just say the results so far have shown that most athletes using it - are using way more than they need to get the results they desire. Anything you put in your body meant to benefit has a point of diminishing return where it becomes detrimental.
What dosages have you been looking at?
Is Jon Jones part of the study?
Post your research. We would all love to see it.
@@fremantlebarbell And you will see it. Publicizing it before the research is completed much less before we've had the opportunity to present the findings to the contractor would be a serious violation of the contract and an infringement on copyright law.
@@wildphyre2820 It's a ranged study. Placebo, 15mg, 50mg, 150mg, 200mg, and what we assume is typical athlete use of 300mg weekly. All variables accounted for. In each test group we have placebos, varying levels of training, and varying levels of diet adherence. There are 721 individual data collectors upon which we will collect over 5,000 data points each over the 15 years.
Klokov being caught for doping is about a surprising as Tony Blair being caught for political corruption and for war crimes. Good video though :)
I done a laugh
has Corbyn apologised
Leave Tony Blair alone
Classic UK :'D
The Dutch havent even recognised their own atrocities commited against the indonesians in the 40s. You really think holland aka 'small germany will ever convict britain or any great power?
Oh no! A weightlifting legend who competed against a bunch of other people on gear got busted for using gear! His legacy is RUINED!
His dad was a better weightlifter
Klokov is a living legend, no matter what.
"Our roided-up guy beat your roided-up guy."
- Bill Burr (and anyone with a brain who follows weightlifting)
Someone needs to break into the lab and steal Usain Bolt's samples quick
he was taking actovegin which is allowed by wada but still a PED
It will make Ben Johnson look like a baby.
Sandbagging, extortion and corruption are always unfortunate. I don't invest myself much in weightlifting as a sport but I practice it and watch it. The beauty in my opinion is found in the journey for the individual rather than competition.
Great perspective
@@Senneeeuh Thanks friend.
That 365 lb strict press was all I needed to assert that
Being in the Olympics with an Eastern European name was all I needed lol
@@mattdmastiff4524 quiet u clown
@@mattdmastiff4524 lmfao
365 strict overhead press is achievable naturally given the right person; BUT, it's going to take them years of methodical training and they'll have to be ok putting on some fat due to always needing to be in a caloric surplus. I hit a 300# strict log press at one point, but it took me four years and I didn't have a "beach bod" that entire period of my life. Not to mention spending potential Roth IRA contribution money on groceries.
@@bleepblabloop If with "a bit of fat" you mean 170kg bodyweight like Iron Biby then yes, maybe. But still doubt it.
At Klokov bodyweight tho? Not even in your wet dreams.
I think the funny thing about doping is that if humans never developed PEDs we would have a more grounded view of what a big lift is. Back before any one really took PEDs there were plenty of people that we deemed impressive. It just really sucks though because if anyone wants to chase their dream of competing at the highest level, they most likely have to consider PEDs.
I don't see how it's a negative. You wanna be the best you need to use every weapon in your arsenal.
@@ShayanGivehchian it would be cool to be able to be the best without removing 20-30 years of your life tho
@@IpwnU820 yes but there is a price you have to pay if you want to be the best
@@ShayanGivehchian yess but it shouldn’t be..
@@muurkus there would be anyways, the amounts pro athletes use are low, as they need to skirt around testing, so they use enough to get an edge. If you want to achieve the extreme, you are going to sacrifice your life to it both figuratively and in terms of shortened lifespan.They aren't losing any life expectancy in excess of what extreme stresses on the heart would make them lose anyways, I'd even go as far as to say that light PED usage would be beneficial to allow the body to better manage the extreme workload. You don't hear of many olympic athletes dying young, as opposed to open bodybuilders.
Thanks for doing your content of this style on Sundays. It always gives me something really solid to watch on my only day off!
Klokov pause snatching 200 kilos,
What do you mean he's doping???
Klokov is a beast - even by taking all the best steroids available, very few ppl in the world can match his lifts
Damn, that means I'll never do a 200kg pause snatch.
I think you have to be a bit gullible to assume that anyone on the world stage in any sport isn't on drugs. By definition these people would just have their place taken by people with similar genetics + drugs if that was the case.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if heavy stimulants/nootropics were used in even sports like chess.
absolutely. I actually have a friend who is a competitive chess player (not world class, but very competitive at the regional sized level) and the dude chomps propananol and Adderall like a champ
@@timkenda8203 nice
@@timkenda8203 Even chess players 🤣
It irks me when people at my gym go "yeah Karlos is obv on gear bro" but then don't saying anything about Li Dayin/Shi/etc.
Aww man…. Next we are going to find out Alexander Karelin isn’t natty either.
BREAKING NEWS: Alexander Karelin used PED's!!! Sorry to break it to you, Kevin.
"Lady and gentlemen..."
A personal greeting from Zack, nice! And a good day to you, too.
Though 3% of 160,000 means there are another 4800 of us out there lurking. :-)
On topic, agree broadly with your stance. Great to see big lifts, but I'd really rather it were done natural. If the playing field is supposed to be level, it should actually *be* level. And the corruption you describe is appalling.
I thought I was the one getting the personal greeting. ;)
@@merrieleiderman1885 Drat, maybe you were. Now you've burst my bubble... :-)
@@kxs7267 the playing field is level,because everyone is juicing.
USADA is not that crazy in all sports. We (in bobsled) almost always knew when they would start coming around and do their pre season/off season testing while living at the training center. It was very routine for the most part and very scheduled. Also, living in a different country but competing for USA I NEVER got tested by USADA in the off season while training at home.
Thank you for your honesty. Zack and Aita are pushing this "we Americans are 100% drug testing" bs.
@@nashorn7538 I can only speak from my experience with USADA and the sport I was involved in. I would imagine that USADA treats different sports with different levels of testing volume and frequency based on the notoriety of drug use as a whole within each individual sport.
I'm 72 and been involved in powerlifting (age 23 to 59) and Olympic lifting (59 to ???).
Best of luck Zack, great stuff. Keep winning, be a champion of truth. It's simple not complicated.
I tell the lifters I train, " The smell of 'bull's wool' can drift through the 🤳 phone."
"Top level athlete isn't natural". WHO CARES LOL, give Lance his medals back.
Ferreal. That mofo worked hard for those wins. Such BS to be shunned like he was.
Oh no Klokov on gear?!
...anyway,
There are books about how the IOC withholds positive tests when they choose to. I gave up on the idea of a natural athlete long long ago.
Klokov spoke about being on "pharmaceuticals" before. It's well-known on the inside everybody is on.
I’m a simple man, I see thumbnail of Geoff, and I stop what I’m doing and click
Hahah "lady and gentlemen" that killed me man. Shout out to the one lady whose watching this
"5 Russian test positive" -> definitely not politically motivated
Exactly.... It's BS next,
Why would it be surprising for the Russians to get caught more often? Of course people in the west with access to a more advanced pharmaceutical industry and far more rigorous USADA testing will be less likely to be caught, not because they dope less, but because they're forced to be more subtle.
What if I told you they all were on the sauce? You can't exist at the top of any professional, competitive sport without some type of PED usage. Think about it from the perspective of these athletes. Their lives and families depend on their success. Some athletes are just better at hiding it or paying off the testers.
Not Ronnie Coleman though
@@tapwater424 Big if true
True. most of this audience probably already knows this though
“Any professional competitive sport” is definitely a stretch.
Strength sports sure. But you could very realistically in more skill based sports.
Steph Curry wouldn’t need gear when he is solely based on world level skill.
@@brandonhoover2120 PEDs also help with skill acquisition due to reduced recovery time, cognitive enhancement, and increased stamina and endurance. Its not just "BIG STRONG" drugs that are used and abused.
Any sport that dosent involve combat shouldnt be drug tested... Alright I said it... Baseball was better when they were roided up... Lol
As someone else said, if weightlifters were natural the clean and jerk world records would barely be equivalent to snatch world records nowadays. Not to bring up my country India which is not at all dominant in weightlifting it's very weird that the clean and jerk record in the (85-96 kg class) the one in which tian Tao, meso and toshiki compete is 197 kilos whereas I'm pretty sure there are lifters in that class who have snatched that in training if not in competition.
Edit : Clarence himself has a snatch of 195 but I'm not sure of his bodyweight, so Idk if it helps😅
Yup Moradi snatched 205kg in training, and his snatch in competition was like 20kg off. That's too obvious lol.
I mean this really isn’t anything we weightlifting fans didn’t know, I still like watching his lifts
nice to see some actual weightlifting content.
I had a vegan mozerella and pesto sandwich for lunch today Zach. Hope you enjoy this information.
Sounds delicious, mate
Did you add a slice of trenbolony to it?
If it's vegan it wasn't mozzarella
@@opywop18 he said vegan mozzarella, not mozzarella
Wtf what is vegan mozzarella, 😂
Maybe this isnt the video to comment this but w/e.
As an ex swedish marine who loves lifting/running, I have always wondered; what if the military was allowed to use PEDs, with the help of doctors/experts to the limit where its ”not dangerous” anymore. Just a thought I had to share..
Lol we always knew. We're still going to fawn over him though.
Now I am intrigued. Who is that unicorn lady that's watching this channel?!?
I'm shocked. SHOCKED!!!
Retroactive testing is paradoxical. In a sport where PEDs aren't allowed, you have to have it, otherwise you'll miss cheats, and then fans can't invest meaning into the results and records. But if you do have it, the results and records can change at any time in the future, so how do the fans invest meaning into them when they know that the athletes on the podium probaby won't be the same a year later?
Still recording videos even when on Coruscant, nice
I'd like to see the IOC and IWF just shake hands and agree that drugs are a part of it. We want big numbers, we want weightlifting in the olympics, and we want the athletes to be safe (as much as possible) while taking these drugs. Sure it wouldn't look like a "pure sport" to some at that point.
I don't care anymore. Just want to stop with the pretense.
Sucks to have to take peds to compete with others tho
the ripple effect on atheletes that compete at regional and national level would be astronomical, suddenly you are forced to be on gear for any competition
Klokov isn't juiced, his testosterone just happens to go "owaaap"
As with everyone else in the comment section, nobody is surprised. The problem is it's selective sanctioning. Why Russia and select other countries only? This selective "bust" in itself is a result of corruption. The IOC and the IWF are truly pathetic organizations.
Cause Russian bad hur dur. They're all complicit and truly pathetic like you said.
You said "lunch time entertainment " as I took my first bite of lunch...
This is the very reason I’ve pretty much quit watching strength sports (I’m aware corruption has it’s filthy hands around every sport, but I’ve never been into other sports than strongly strength related). Lifts done on PEDs mean literally nothing to me, it’s like benching with two spotters upright rowing the weight and screaming ”All you, bro!”. Fuck this cancerous modern era of ”strength”.
And let's be real we really never here the track and field community talk about steroids and they get popped quite a bit
Personally I don't mind PEDS in the Olympics, but I despise bs politics getting in the way of records. You're not there to debate, you're there for your sport.
These days you can get better advice on gear use from reddit than you can from a physician because the people on reddit will at least be honest. As a natural, I have absolutely nothing against people using steroids. I have trained and fought in amateur Muay Thai for 13 years. I am a 4th Dan in Kendo with 8 years of experience. I have never had any intent to use gear, because I have never had the intent to compete on a national or international level. But for those who do? To be the best, you gotta beat the best...and all of the best are on gear. I fully support anyone who wants to pursue their dream of being a champion powerlifter, weightlifter, strongman, bodybuilder, etc... my hope is that in the future there will be avenues for them to do that in a healthier and more closely monitored fashion.
We can never hope for a "natty" division in any strength sport. Unless someone decides at a very young age they want to be an Olympic Champion in weightlifting and you test them every week until they make the podium you can't fully verify their natty status. And even then, the teams behind the scenes will take every step and precaution necessary to try and give their guy an edge. Whether that's developing new undetectable compounds, new methods of flushing, or even ways to cheat "baseline profiles of normalcy" for the individual athlete.
Happy to be part of that 3%. 🙋🏻♀️
The Olympics need an untested category for each sport and event. Then, all tested athletes must only take blood tests as their primary means of testing.
How does anyone even get steroids? I’ve wanted to try gear (at a low dose) for some time now, I think it should be legal anyways. Most athletes use it for recovery purposes and if it extends the athlete’s career than why not? The argument against steroids has always seemed pretty weak to me because of the mere fact that all these top athletes take it regardless.
Nice try, DEA
@@danielgoodwin5902 dang you got me lol! Haha
Meanwhile the poster boy of weightlifting Lasha still competes after a positive test years ago. This is why I really don't understand what they are hoping to achieve by these historical tests
Here it's just to tarnish Russia. Klokov was left alone for a decade when he was promoting WL on youtube and in crossfit circles.
I’ve been a TH-cam binge watcher for 10 years and I still don’t know what patreon is
In other news, we have a damn Giraffe making great youtube videos.
The bottom of the story is: don't watch TV guys. Not even when the Olympic Games are on.
Great depth and speed on the 400 lb squat.
Everyone tests positive, they just pop athletes for financial or political reasons.
I do not think lesser of Klokov or the rest. Doping is pervasive throughout most elite level sports. Its messed up how athletes at the highest levels become political pawns one way or another.
Back in the day the best thing that ever happened to powerlifting was........the emergence of drug free powerlifting organizations. ADFPA founded in Pennsylvania in 1980.
Not matter what argument you can put up the fact was it was an organization where the top administrators held the same anti doping values. It saved the sport. God bless the late meet director Al Siegel. Rest in peace.
There isn't a single top-tier weightlifter that is not using something
I ran your technique and capacity 2 then strong like bull. Loved it.
Well he can almost strict press as much as Larry Wheels (with much cleaner form), so I don't think anyone should be surprised by that lol
Thank you Zach for this amazing content which is actually sports related content than some influencer type gym bro bullshit.
Steroids are not supernatural; therefore, they are natural. Thus, Klokov is natty ;)
“Lady and gentlemen…”
Hi Zack. Nice to be noticed.
Love the way you pronounce all those names
I would like to say: “all drugs can be used” just to see the big Clarence on stage
Zack I'd really like to hear your opinion on just... not banning stuff. A lot of the scare is leftover from Cold War propaganda, but PED use is common at every level (amateur to olympic). Everyone is on and on about a level playing field, which in powerlifting, strongman, bodybuilding, armwrestling... they have. Clarence takes it and we all love him.
I'm an aspiring strongman, and while I'm natural now, I won't be if I want state or national titles. That's just part of the sport. So I've talked with my coach about intelligent deployment down the road, but neither of us is a medical professional.
Would it not be better to allow them and then let athletes get proper medical care to support the obvious usage? Rather than coaches or athletes Ricky Bruching themselves, how about actual medical professionals who know the stuff and can help taper off?
The problem is money… Officials believe that “clean” athletes will get more from sponsors for Olympics etc. because of the stigma… And if you would allow PEDs the rise performence would not be that great as expected, so you have problem to deal with the past… I personally dont think it would be the problem but best implementation would be probably to secretly stop testing but that athletes would not have to lie about it so I dont know…
because then it's just a race to the bottom. it becomes who can use the most and not keel over
I think he has a video on this around the time Clarence Kennedy posted his doing video. A huge portion of the community chimed in and discussed it in their own videos.
@@momscastle that’s not true. They have diminishing returns
@@icepenguin7278 diminishing returns as a concept do not apply to sports. someone is always willing to do anything for a fraction of a percentage of advantage
...And nobody is surprised.
I mean... did anyone here think Klokov was clean??
Olympics needs to have a seperate Sauced Division. But then yes nobody's going to watch the natty division.
Sorry for the multiple comments. Just been a fan of yours for years since the early Thrall and Juji collabs and I love your content. Also, you asked for opinions. 😆
Next you’ll be telling me Santa isn’t natty
nice back ground! May the force be with you
Great video
The surprised pikachu meme thumbnail was the best, fits like a glove
I'd love to give a nuanced take, but it really is as simple as allowing PEDs. The benefits greatly outweigh the downsides.
I mean cmon, every top athlete is on
if everyone is on PEDS it's fair again
The obsession with lifters needing to be natural is kind of absurd in my opinion. Just stop testing and let people do what they want.
great vid. appreciate your honesty.
no one is surprised... still a legend though.
Can’t say I’m surprised IMHO Klokov is great..I think avg. compared to his dad who competed against some serious lifters in that weight class during the 80’s where a 420 total would get you 6th place..
I mean when you think about how strict the UFC is with drugs and everyone is still doping, any other sport doesn't come as a surprise. I just feel bad for athletes who get the short end of the stick - like when Lance Armstrong became public enemy no1 even though he was cheating as much as everyone else at his level. I understand athletes don't want to come clean about gear, but people like the Rock and Whalberg really should. Steroids are everywhere, and people need to realise that
Lance got what was coming for him, the dude was/is total piece of sh!t. When he was accused of taking drugs he went full attack against them. It wasn't enough to laugh it off, he went after their reputation to make example out of them. That is the main reason he is being hated so much to these days.
In Crosscountry skiing Finnish team got popped really bad in 2001, like almost everyone. Huge national trauma at that time. One of the guys (probably) killed himself later on as he couldn't bare the shame and had nobody to help him out. It's just fucked up, there are people doing actual harm who getting away with it. Then an athlete gets popped and public piles on them.
I remember reading that for one of his Tour de France wins that they took away that the highest placed guy that didn’t test positive for gear placed 30th or something like that so while Lance was public enemy number 1 there were a couple dozen other guys guilty of the same crime who’s names didn’t get dragged in the mud.
Honestly if they get busted they should be put into non tested category for records and stuff
That's pretty DOPE
Diggin the Tutnstile t-shirt
I don’t see the point of catching someone years later. You didn’t catch them at the moment , so it doesn’t matter anymore
What a fucking idiotic comment.
Shall we let murderes off if they don’t get caught too, I mean it doesn’t matter anymore, they don’t kill anymore.
To say that if someone takes a substance they shouldn’t, but they know it’s not currently tested for, doesn’t mean they should be left alone and never mentioned they cheated is ignorance at its finest.
He was taking his vitamins
Zac with that Turnstile Love Connection. ❤️ Respect went up!
Powerlifting has tested and untested federations. Perhaps adopting that for WL would help a little, although it's very possible that there are people doping under the radar in tested. However, having the avenue for untested, go as hard as you'd like and juice beyond belief without consequence would at least decrease the likelihood because why go through the stress of cycling while tested when you can just go 100% full bore with no consequences?
So yeah, my thoughts on this are categories. Let the juicers juice with each other and set wild records like in Strongman, Powerlifting, and etc.
Scoop, IPF are also on gear.
Course he’s doping, but honestly who cares, the guys still a beast and fully rated.
This video clip title isn’t even click bait. It should be titled”weightlifter-duh, of course steroids”
Lasha is on the juice
Still, You are not Klokov. (no one is). He is still my favourite.
Is it only a matter of time when we will see lasha be caught out?
Lasha was banned for winstrol in 2013 and then regretted his action, ate his vegetable, slept well, came back a year after the ban and he's been crushing world records 26 times...as a natty.
@@kris4107 lmfao
@@toximan2008 dude what? lmao
Lu and Shi, see you guys in 10 years :)