*The end of Jaime's last chapter in A Feast for Crows is one of the best moments for me. When Cersei sends a letter to Jaime asking for help, calling him, a snowflake falls under the letter, announcing that the Winter is coming fast and, without thinking twice, Jaime orders to put the letter on fire. He is determined to break away from Cersei and forge a new path.*
@@QuinnTheGM That scene followed right after Jaime's dream of his mother, which is one of the most moving pieces of writing for me in the entire series.
@@ishubetterthanyou1582 I'd love to describe it, but English isn't my preferred language, so yeah😅 so I can just say read the books, it's absolutely worth it
Jaime: Do you believe in ghosts, Maester? Qyburn: Once, at the Citadel, I came into an empty room and saw an empty chair. Yet I knew a woman had been there, only a moment before. The cushion was dented where she'd sat, the cloth was still warm, and her scent lingered in the air. If we leave our smells behind us when we leave a room, surely something of our souls must remain when we leave this life? The archmaesters did not like my thinking, though. Well, Marwyn did, but he was the only one. Maybe this woman was Johanna Lannister using the glass candle at the Citidel?
My favorite dream was the one he had where all the former Kingsguard accosted him. Shows how he really struggles with the idea of knighthood and how the reality of the world he lives in shattered that idealized vision of these men he held in such high regard
The Sopranos doesn’t just handle dream sequences better than any other show, they are genuinely the closest we get to any kind of answers as to the supernatural edge in the Sopranos. Did Paulie really see the Virgin Mary? Was Kevin Finerty in Hell? The only way we can answer these questions, are with analysis of Tony’s dreams. And I’ve always appreciated that.
This is my analysis of the Visions: Jaime is interacting with different aspects of the seven. He was a warriors man, but for the breaking of his vows by killing Aerys and pleasuring Cersi, the warrior took his hand, redeeming him entirely in the eyes of the seven. After standing vigil to his father and praying to the father above Jaime becomes a devotee of the father, he performs justice while in the riverlands and grows a beard like the father. The vision of his mother was sent by the mother, sent before Cersis letter arrived to ensure he did not adhere to her profession of love. When Jaime arrived in Kings Landing after Riverrun he took Cersi on the Mothers alter, the mother is merciful and reprimanded him via a vision, not a limb, reminding him of his real mother, allowing him to forgo Cersis approval..
Do you have any ideas of what would represent the Smith, the Maiden, the Crone and the Stranger? IMO following Brienne on a mission to save Sansa/Arya is basically following "the Maiden" but if he does it as an agreement with Stoneheart it might also count as him following the Crone. Arya = Stranger so maybe his mission will lead him there eventually (no less because he's bound to be involved in the Long Night battles with plenty of deaths and "Strangers/Others"). But what about the Smith?
@@g_wylde I think individuals champion different aspects, Jaime went from warrior to father and has had a limited interaction with the mother. Davos is a mothers man after the blackwater, he beseech's the mothers mercy often in his thoughts and thinks of his family and sons often. Catelyn was also a proponent of the mother, all her children were protected thanks to her prayers, aside from Robb who broke a holy marriage vow. Tyrion is also an interesting case, it seems to me that the candle he lit to the stranger in ACOK saved his life on the blackwater. He could not say why he flinched backwards after all, and the reason of Ser Mandon offering his left hand is a poor one, why would you put your sword away in battle or switch hands we all can see how good Jaime is with his left. The only other prayer we get to the stranger is from Barristan in the sample chapters of TWOW. Barristan doesn't ask for protection, but for the stranger to gather up the souls of their enemies instead, we will see how well this works in TWOW, maybe this ritual prayer before battle is why Barristan is still alive as an old knight. I haven't put much thought into the Crone or the Smith. Brienne may very well be a champion of the maiden.
@@CheeseCrumbs00 I have a feeling in the end, Tyrion will become the Smith though. Sandor Clegane obviously supposed to embody the Stranger (His horse is even called that, which either might be a massive clue or a massive red herring). I don't think we should look at the Faith of the Seven either, in terms of individuals championing different aspects of faiths. Like, going over Davos's chapters, he embodies Rh'llor to a tee, but doesn't believe in it. However, Davos also embodies the mother, like you said. I also feel like the Azor Ahai prophecy is a red herring in that its not supposed to be one individual, but rather that Azor Ahai is multiple people who need to come together for the upcoming war for Darkness. Jon = Prince that was Promised Dany = Stallion that mounts the World Davos = Lightbringer Then the other characters who represent the different aspects, will become the supporting/secondary hero's in the war. Victarion = Storm God Theon = Drowned God Arya = Many Faced God Edric Dayne = Mother Rohyne Jaime = The Father Brienn = The Mother Tyrion = The Smith Sana = The Maiden Samwell = The Crone Sandor = The Stranger Bran = Old Gods Rh'llor (Like i said, Davos embodies aspects of the Lord of Light, but i do think Edric Storm/Gendry will eventually embody this aspect as well)
didn't the first dream happen in ASOS when Jaime was being brought to Kingslanding by Steelshanks? I remember the dream is what motivated him to go back to Harrenhal to save Brienne
It absolutely did. I was taken aback when Quinn referred to Feast as his favorite book but if he’s misremembering all of that dynamic Jaime content as coming from there that would explain why.
This was the comment I was looking for. Jamie’s dream about being in the bowels of Casterly Rock with Brienne is from ASOS. The video was confusing me with that.
@@_S.D._ I just read that Jamie chapter 3 days ago, so same with me. I have read that book I don't know how many times in the past 20 years and it is just as good, if not better, than the first time.
The dream with Jamie being send deeper into Casterly Rock mirrors Jon Snow's crypt dreams. Jamie's father says this is your place. Jon is told (or feels?) this is not your place.
@@joeroganstrtshots881 I don't think so personally. If anything this dream refutes that because Jamie is being told Casterly Rock is his place, he is a Lannister. Jon is being told Winterfell is not your place, you're not a Stark.
@@conordempsey8854 Funnily enough, since Joanna was also a Lannister by blood (Tywin's first cousin, specifically the daughter of his father's next-youngest brother), even if he were a cuckoo Jaime would still have a distant blood claim on Casterly Rock - he just drops down below the rest of the (belligerent and numerous) line of Tytos. That's a lot of Lannisters to get rid of though, including several people who seem custom-written to be unlikely successors, like Joy Hill and missing-presumed-dead Tyrek (last seen, a horse).
Love the first dream. The light was so dim that Jaime could scarcely see her, though they stood a scant few feet apart. In this light she could almost be a beauty, he thought. In this light she could almost be a knight. Brienne's sword took flame as well, burning silvery blue. The darkness retreated a little more.
I think Bran is a third candidate for Jamie's second dream. They have a personal connection and the green dreams have been shown to transcend time so it could be Bran at a later date. I think Quaithe is possible too because of the emphasis on identity "Do you know who you are?" Which is identical to what Quaithe says to Daenerys in her first communication with her.
“Bloodraven did it” usually works for me. Helps me ignore time-traveling bran. Also love David Lightbringer’s idea about Quaithe and Bloodraven are working towards the same goal w/o knowing it. Ice and fire parallels ya know
Jaime's weirwood dream is my favourite as it shows a bit more of his psyche. Tapped into the network or not, those people were not really there, so their attitude, words and actions come from Jaime's subconscious. There is an audio excerpt of that dream nicely read on TH-cam. At this stage Jaime still puts on the mask of indifference but the way he is in that dream says a lot of his innermost thoughts. There is no hatred for his Prince or Brothers. He THINKS they would blame him, but that's HIS imagination not necessarily the truth. I like how Rhaegar is described as surrounded by grief. And how to him Jaime defends his inability to save Elia and the children, not killed Aerys. And also being left in the dark by Tywin and Cersei beforehand, planting a suggestion that he doesn't belong WITH THEM. This is the dream that motives him to go back for Brienne. Something that we can imagine 15 year old Jaime do, the Jaime as he wanted to be. Otherwise it changes little but is another stepping stone towards his transformation. With the vision of his mother, he is being gently directed in the right direction to be where and when he might be needed. I don't subscribe to the theory he's Azora Ahai, but he will have a role to play in the final showdown. I was surprised that they didn't use him more at Winterfell for strategy and planning. He had more experience directing armies than Jon or Dany, but the show didn't do many things. He hates being known as Kinsgslayer, but he may need to slay a Queen (Cersei) or do the opposite and SAVE a King or Queen like a good Kingsguard (Jon or Dany)? However, it would have been heartbreaking and subversive if he had to forge Lightbringer by plunging it into Brienne's heart or something.
I watch LML regularly. I found your channel recently and I dig your perspective on the books. I’ve subscribed to your channel and thank you for genuinely good content.
*Your videos are amazing and make me even more excited about the ASOIF story, the only problem is that we will probably never read The Winds of Winter.* *I feel like GRRM has created so many things and stories in a huge world and now he doesn't know how to finish his story anymore.*
There were a couple of things you got wrong here. 1 Jamie's first vision happens in a.s.o.s. 2 Jamie is not in kings landing when Ned has his dream in g.o.t. Still a good video though.
This is incredible! The only thing that could've made this better was a bit of direct reading from the books. I personally would've loved to hear you read the passage about Jaime's dream.
Bro that last Jamie dream was so beautiful. I loved it so much, Jamie needed that so much. Also the first time listening to the audio book made me realize how magically influenced and out of place that first dream is . And I can’t believe I missed the fact he was resting on a weir wood tree. For me that practically confirms that there were magical Elements at play, and I love the distinction between visions and dreams!
1:21 THANK YOU!!!! I'm tired of people shitting on AFfC, it's my favorite book of the series. People just don't like it because it doesn't have Jon or Dany or Arya. But it is still the best book of the series (in my opinion)
I think Jaime is Azor Ahai and the Valonqar. Azor Ahai has to stab his wife to create Lightbringer. He could very well do that to Cercei (and she would deserve it) with Widow's Wail (very appropriate name here) which is made from Ice = Ned Stark's former Valerian steel sword. A Song (wail) of Ice (the sword) and Fire. Only Jaime can wield Lightbringer in his fake hand, because it would burn anyone else (other than Dany).
The problem i have with the Azor Ahai prophecy, is that i think the propechy of it being one individual is a red herring and that Azor Ahai embodies multiple individuals. So far, Davos is being written in the way that he is going to be Lightbringer. Jon is the Prince that was Promised and Dany the Stallion that Mounts the World.
I absolutely love your videos, and the way you explain the plots and theories, I hope you can make some videos explaining the Journey of some (important) characters throught the books, kind of a sumary for their story. Thanks for making such a great videos of ASOIAF
I think there is a third person with prophetic abilities that has quite a central position in the Jamie storyline. Or rather, a central position where he is moving. Which frankly is usually what sent visions does, to nudge you in the "right" direction/decisions. The Ghost of High Heart. Sure, we have no records of her sending visions to others but we do know she is connected to the Weirwood net and therefore could be able to use it in the same way as Bloodraven/future Bran. If this is the case it would also create a neat little bow to the coming Jamie/Brianne/Stoneheart show down. Stoneheart: "Jamie Lannister, I brought you here to answer for your crimes!" Ghost of HH: "Actually, I brought him her for my own reasons. So be a good girl and sit down."
It’s pronounced like “beer” 😂😅 Stoneheart, being a dead Cat, is partially from the weirwood net. It’s interesting that Jaime kinda goes there. It’s part of his hero’s journey, I think. It’s just difficult to see what it is he gets to help him on his journey.
Jaime’s vision of the silent sister kind of reminds me of The Mother, of the Seven. He was brought up with that background, his mind would at least use it as the dressing if it is not a true vision. The faith of the seven seems really an oddity amongst all this magic and something subtle like that seems neexed
I love the second vison’s subtle implication that Jamie and Cersi aren't Tywin's Biological children, by having Jamie’s Mom say what Tywin wanted "His son and his daughter" to achieve and implying it didn’t come to pass, where if J and C were his kids it would clearly have.
Been binging your videos for the Pat week, and the decision to subscribe was made so much easier just because my favorite song was referenced in a video about my favorite book character. Good looks!
Joanna loved Tywin and he loved her. "Only lady Joanna knew the man beneath the armour" and that is WHY she wanders if Jaime ever trully knew his own father or did he only saw the cold dutiful mask. Tywin never laughed except with Joanna and when she died he never remarried again altough that would be "politically wise" which again implies that Tywin is not all ice and politics but flesh and soul and even dreamer to a point. He dreams his son being a great knight and his daughter the Queen ( literally like a fairytale).
the first prophecy in the series is the dead direwolf with an antler in its throat. This omen foreshadows not only Ned's death but the eventual separation of the Stark children.
Great Video as always, I have to disagree on AFFC being the best book though, whilst it is in my mind the second best to reread, the best book has to go to Storm, it‘s GRRM‘s masterpiece, though for me Dance is a close second
I like the thought Blood Raven sent the vision of his mother. I’m on the fence of it being Bran who sent the dream, as Bran (at least at this particular point of the books) does not remember it was Jamie who pushed him from the tower. Plus, Bran has never thought of Jamie in his POV chapters. I disagree it being Quathe as she seems very focused on Danny. Great video and discussion topic.
I think the vision really could have been sent by Joanna Lannister. There seems to be some sort of bardo or spirit world in ASOIAF, where spirits linger for a time after death before fading or passing on. Maybe Joanna's spirit is calling to Jaime as it passes out of the bardo.
Why didn't Tywin remarry? I mean I know his wife died and stuff but is it not his role and his duty to his legacy to what is needed to ensure its continuation?
The first of those dreams happen in aSoS, not in aFfC. After having that dream he decides to go back and save Brienne from the bear and the brave companions
I feel like Jamie and Brienne fighting white walkers tips back to there roles as kings guards and they are defending the true kings lands who most likely is the true Azhor Ahai (most likey Jon Snow). If Jamie lets his past get to him and he falters he will truly not be a kingguard or knight like he always wanted. It really is a warning i think.
Has he been relieved of the title of Warden of the East? I know Robert gave that to him in the first book, but has anybody bothered to give the title to someone who actually has anything to do with the east?
@@QuinnTheGM Great choices, like you said in the video, David Chase and his crew always just knew how to do dreams. They always FEEL like dreams. The reason I pick the Gloria one is partly for that reason, there are so many strange cuts and moments that just make it so unsettling like a dream like that would be. And the song choice is the greatest I’ve ever heard in any show. I’m with you, The Sopranos is the greatest show of all time. Lol
Cersei made feast so hard to get through and its harder after watching the show she's truly an immersion breaker but i think also the show is a big part of what makes me feel like that
I think it is a dream. He came into the world holding her foot with the hand that is now lost. The stump showing up in his dream with the memory of his mom asking if he really is a knight is what makes Jamie finally let go of Cersei. Acceptance
I am not entirely convinced that the Men with Helmets are Unsullied or of any significance. After all the most common Weapon in this sort of time Period is a Spear, a weapon that even a poor peasant levy can easily obtain. As for the Helmet, that too is not very distinctive since the one Piece of Armor that even an ill equipped Levy usually gets is a Helmet.
Jaime as Azor Ahai would make the most sense. George R.R. Martin likes to complete thematic circles. Jaime as both Kingslayer and Queenslayer, if he kills Cersei. Breaks his oath as Kingsguard to marry Brienne. Brienne sacrificing herself for Jaime to kill her and fulfill the prophecy (so also a wife killer). Such a sad and tragic path for Jaime, but what the Kingdom needs, and Jaime is a character that would do just that. Breaking all vows of honor in order to save the people. Honor is a virtue, but to what end? To protect the King or Queen, or the people?
*SPOILERS* *SPOILERS* *SPOILERS* *SPOILERS* *SPOILERS* (for the true identity of Jaime) - - - - - - You can only understand the works of George R. R. Martin if you know the Mithraic mysteries or Schytian / Sarmatian / Alan (however you wanna call it) religion and folklore. His all books and especially the series of the Song of Ice and Fire is just based on Mithraism. Jaime is the oathbreaker hero of Indo-European folklore. Now go read the story of Tyr and Fenrir. Tyr lets Fenrir bite his right hand (oath hand) to save the Gods and living as no other God has courage to face Fenrir its only him holding back that beast. For Sarmatians that hero is named Tur (its just same as Tyr); the story is pretty much the same as Nordic one but Fenrir is not just a big "Wolf", (remember Jaime also lost right hand / oath hand after facing the "Wolf" of Game of Thrones) Fenrir is rather somewhat similiar to a Griffin or Griffon, only similarity being that they both have a Wolf head. So the king Jaime slayed (by breaking the oath) is not a wolf (like in the Nordic story) but rather a Griffon which is much more of a Dragon than anything, as the king was a "Targaryen". Jaime is not the "Azor Ahai" as that personna is Mitra himself, who is the God of oaths, as Jaime cannot take an oath anymore (no right hand). But the charather, or rather the hero he's based on, Tyr or Tur is the knight and "friend" of Mitra. If you know that Mitraism have "friendship" structure rather than "slave & master" structure in comparisson to other religions, I would recommend to look out for who Jaime befriends to know the true Azor Ahai. For the dreams, please re-check and read inbetween the lines, how many times the unsullied called "stone" , "rock" , "hard"... And how many other characters are called that way? Why they push him towards the Casterly "Rock"? I cannot answer it myself as it would be revealing the ultimate ending of series and whole allegory of books, but your key for any secrets is the word "STONE". While at it, ask yourself, why all these "Christian" kings did not destroy or even just denounce the "Stonehenge" while they all knew it was pagan?
I've always felt that ASOS and AFFC should've been one book. Jeez, talk about needing an editor! Not as long-winded awful as the bogged down books in the middle of Wheel of Time. Oh well, when you're making the publisher millions, who cares about an editor?
How is Gerold Hightower not on this. He led Targaryen forces after the death lord Ormund Baratheon in the War of Nipennykings. He protects Elia Martell from the brotherhood even taking a arrow through his. He rallied to Rhaegar and was the only one that could find him. He’s much more worthy then the Hound
i will soon start to read the books, but at 9:39, jaime's chapter, i feel is his mother, am i wrong to believe that ? and i see so many people talking about the books, i loved the show, and i still do, even the first part of the last season, but what happend to dany si to far for me, i feel that i am a lucky guy that i get to read them for the first time now haha(i'm here after the end of the video and i feel great about Joanna's prediction hahah)
Jaime and Cersei are Aerys’ children and Tywin was cuckholded. Just thought that I should bring this up! Not to mention the fact that Cersei is obsessed with fire 🔥, the two of them have again and again committed incest, and Jaime (unlike Tyrion) is nothing like his father. I am also up to the possibility that Tywin was sterile, and his three children could have all been fathered by the mad king. Would explain Tyrions dreams too 🐉!!!
That doesnt make sense, the dream tells Jaime that he belongs un Casterly Rock, he Is a Lannister, while Jon dream tells him he doesnt belongs to the crypts along the kings of winter
@@axelgonzalez5992 Their mother is a lannister herself, so despite tywin being cucked, they are still lannisters, just not tywin`s kids... so its entirely possible for them to be mad king`s kids, and to ``belong`` to casterly rock...
@@axelgonzalez5992 yeah, but daddy baratheon also claims that she has no place in those dank mouldy crypts... i know that he may be outta place to claim that, but, many such claims come from people who seemingly make those claims ``from the heart`` rather than from some preference or dogmatic tradition... Which i find quite interesting...
*The end of Jaime's last chapter in A Feast for Crows is one of the best moments for me. When Cersei sends a letter to Jaime asking for help, calling him, a snowflake falls under the letter, announcing that the Winter is coming fast and, without thinking twice, Jaime orders to put the letter on fire. He is determined to break away from Cersei and forge a new path.*
One of the best moments in Feast for sure!
@@QuinnTheGM That scene followed right after Jaime's dream of his mother, which is one of the most moving pieces of writing for me in the entire series.
@@johnreynolds2512I haven't read the books. Could you give me a synopsis of that dream, please? That sounds very interesting.
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I'd love to describe it, but English isn't my preferred language, so yeah😅 so I can just say read the books, it's absolutely worth it
@@ishubetterthanyou1582it's in the video, 7:07
My favourite Jaime vision is from ADWD, when he dreams about a mountain of bricks cascading down from... Wait hold up
One of the masons killed by Maegor 150 years ago is the Valonqar
Maegor did nothing wrong ..
@@QuinnTheGM Jaime is the younger brother, Cersei was born first.
@zaepham357 it's all just Faith of the Seven propaganda
@@EbikingViking992 the damn maesters are rewriting history. Gotta get Preston on this stat
Jaime: Do you believe in ghosts, Maester?
Qyburn: Once, at the Citadel, I came into an empty room and saw an empty chair. Yet I knew a woman had been there, only a moment before. The cushion was dented where she'd sat, the cloth was still warm, and her scent lingered in the air. If we leave our smells behind us when we leave a room, surely something of our souls must remain when we leave this life? The archmaesters did not like my thinking, though. Well, Marwyn did, but he was the only one. Maybe this woman was Johanna Lannister using the glass candle at the Citidel?
Also I love how Marwyn maintains his reputation as the Cool Master who probably smokes weed.
My favorite dream was the one he had where all the former Kingsguard accosted him. Shows how he really struggles with the idea of knighthood and how the reality of the world he lives in shattered that idealized vision of these men he held in such high regard
The Sopranos doesn’t just handle dream sequences better than any other show, they are genuinely the closest we get to any kind of answers as to the supernatural edge in the Sopranos. Did Paulie really see the Virgin Mary? Was Kevin Finerty in Hell? The only way we can answer these questions, are with analysis of Tony’s dreams. And I’ve always appreciated that.
This is my analysis of the Visions:
Jaime is interacting with different aspects of the seven. He was a warriors man, but for the breaking of his vows by killing Aerys and pleasuring Cersi, the warrior took his hand, redeeming him entirely in the eyes of the seven. After standing vigil to his father and praying to the father above Jaime becomes a devotee of the father, he performs justice while in the riverlands and grows a beard like the father.
The vision of his mother was sent by the mother, sent before Cersis letter arrived to ensure he did not adhere to her profession of love. When Jaime arrived in Kings Landing after Riverrun he took Cersi on the Mothers alter, the mother is merciful and reprimanded him via a vision, not a limb, reminding him of his real mother, allowing him to forgo Cersis approval..
Love this interpretation!
Do you have any ideas of what would represent the Smith, the Maiden, the Crone and the Stranger? IMO following Brienne on a mission to save Sansa/Arya is basically following "the Maiden" but if he does it as an agreement with Stoneheart it might also count as him following the Crone. Arya = Stranger so maybe his mission will lead him there eventually (no less because he's bound to be involved in the Long Night battles with plenty of deaths and "Strangers/Others"). But what about the Smith?
@@g_wylde I think individuals champion different aspects, Jaime went from warrior to father and has had a limited interaction with the mother. Davos is a mothers man after the blackwater, he beseech's the mothers mercy often in his thoughts and thinks of his family and sons often. Catelyn was also a proponent of the mother, all her children were protected thanks to her prayers, aside from Robb who broke a holy marriage vow.
Tyrion is also an interesting case, it seems to me that the candle he lit to the stranger in ACOK saved his life on the blackwater. He could not say why he flinched backwards after all, and the reason of Ser Mandon offering his left hand is a poor one, why would you put your sword away in battle or switch hands we all can see how good Jaime is with his left. The only other prayer we get to the stranger is from Barristan in the sample chapters of TWOW. Barristan doesn't ask for protection, but for the stranger to gather up the souls of their enemies instead, we will see how well this works in TWOW, maybe this ritual prayer before battle is why Barristan is still alive as an old knight.
I haven't put much thought into the Crone or the Smith. Brienne may very well be a champion of the maiden.
@@CheeseCrumbs00 I have a feeling in the end, Tyrion will become the Smith though. Sandor Clegane obviously supposed to embody the Stranger (His horse is even called that, which either might be a massive clue or a massive red herring).
I don't think we should look at the Faith of the Seven either, in terms of individuals championing different aspects of faiths. Like, going over Davos's chapters, he embodies Rh'llor to a tee, but doesn't believe in it. However, Davos also embodies the mother, like you said.
I also feel like the Azor Ahai prophecy is a red herring in that its not supposed to be one individual, but rather that Azor Ahai is multiple people who need to come together for the upcoming war for Darkness.
Jon = Prince that was Promised
Dany = Stallion that mounts the World
Davos = Lightbringer
Then the other characters who represent the different aspects, will become the supporting/secondary hero's in the war.
Victarion = Storm God
Theon = Drowned God
Arya = Many Faced God
Edric Dayne = Mother Rohyne
Jaime = The Father
Brienn = The Mother
Tyrion = The Smith
Sana = The Maiden
Samwell = The Crone
Sandor = The Stranger
Bran = Old Gods
Rh'llor (Like i said, Davos embodies aspects of the Lord of Light, but i do think Edric Storm/Gendry will eventually embody this aspect as well)
@@nickdentoom1173 This is pretty cool.
I think Tyrion will become Tywin though, in decisions and strategy.
didn't the first dream happen in ASOS when Jaime was being brought to Kingslanding by Steelshanks?
I remember the dream is what motivated him to go back to Harrenhal to save Brienne
It absolutely did. I was taken aback when Quinn referred to Feast as his favorite book but if he’s misremembering all of that dynamic Jaime content as coming from there that would explain why.
This was the comment I was looking for. Jamie’s dream about being in the bowels of Casterly Rock with Brienne is from ASOS. The video was confusing me with that.
I was just thinking the same thing. What about his his fever dream? I just finished ASOS a few days ago, so it's it fresh in my mind.
@@_S.D._ I just read that Jamie chapter 3 days ago, so same with me. I have read that book I don't know how many times in the past 20 years and it is just as good, if not better, than the first time.
The dream with Jamie being send deeper into Casterly Rock mirrors Jon Snow's crypt dreams. Jamie's father says this is your place. Jon is told (or feels?) this is not your place.
Nice find.
Jaime is Jon’s uncle
@@joeroganstrtshots881 I don't think so personally. If anything this dream refutes that because Jamie is being told Casterly Rock is his place, he is a Lannister. Jon is being told Winterfell is not your place, you're not a Stark.
@@joeroganstrtshots881the midget is
@@conordempsey8854 Funnily enough, since Joanna was also a Lannister by blood (Tywin's first cousin, specifically the daughter of his father's next-youngest brother), even if he were a cuckoo Jaime would still have a distant blood claim on Casterly Rock - he just drops down below the rest of the (belligerent and numerous) line of Tytos. That's a lot of Lannisters to get rid of though, including several people who seem custom-written to be unlikely successors, like Joy Hill and missing-presumed-dead Tyrek (last seen, a horse).
The vision with Brienne occurs in A Storm of Swords just before Jaime decides to go back to Harrenhal to save Brienne, not in A Feast For Crows
Love the first dream.
The light was so dim that Jaime could scarcely see her, though they stood a scant few feet apart. In this light she could almost be a beauty, he thought. In this light she could almost be a knight. Brienne's sword took flame as well, burning silvery blue. The darkness retreated a little more.
“During the fourth, and best book” you got that damn right
I like the free roam chapters in cracklaw point etc. with Brienne , Pod, and Biter Rorge. And it left of at one of the most exciting cliff hangers
I think Jaime I in AFFC is perhaps a contender for the best chapter in the entirety of ASOIAF
I think Bran is a third candidate for Jamie's second dream. They have a personal connection and the green dreams have been shown to transcend time so it could be Bran at a later date.
I think Quaithe is possible too because of the emphasis on identity "Do you know who you are?" Which is identical to what Quaithe says to Daenerys in her first communication with her.
“Bloodraven did it” usually works for me. Helps me ignore time-traveling bran. Also love David Lightbringer’s idea about Quaithe and Bloodraven are working towards the same goal w/o knowing it. Ice and fire parallels ya know
Lightbringer may be the most knowledgeable person about ASOIAF outside of Martin.
Time travelling Bran is real
Jaime's weirwood dream is my favourite as it shows a bit more of his psyche. Tapped into the network or not, those people were not really there, so their attitude, words and actions come from Jaime's subconscious. There is an audio excerpt of that dream nicely read on TH-cam. At this stage Jaime still puts on the mask of indifference but the way he is in that dream says a lot of his innermost thoughts. There is no hatred for his Prince or Brothers. He THINKS they would blame him, but that's HIS imagination not necessarily the truth. I like how Rhaegar is described as surrounded by grief. And how to him Jaime defends his inability to save Elia and the children, not killed Aerys. And also being left in the dark by Tywin and Cersei beforehand, planting a suggestion that he doesn't belong WITH THEM. This is the dream that motives him to go back for Brienne. Something that we can imagine 15 year old Jaime do, the Jaime as he wanted to be. Otherwise it changes little but is another stepping stone towards his transformation. With the vision of his mother, he is being gently directed in the right direction to be where and when he might be needed. I don't subscribe to the theory he's Azora Ahai, but he will have a role to play in the final showdown. I was surprised that they didn't use him more at Winterfell for strategy and planning. He had more experience directing armies than Jon or Dany, but the show didn't do many things. He hates being known as Kinsgslayer, but he may need to slay a Queen (Cersei) or do the opposite and SAVE a King or Queen like a good Kingsguard (Jon or Dany)? However, it would have been heartbreaking and subversive if he had to forge Lightbringer by plunging it into Brienne's heart or something.
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Jaime’s dream in the bowels of Casterly took place in ASoS snot AFFC
*Your videos are amazing and make me even more excited about the ASOIF story, the only problem is that we will probably never read The Winds of Winter.*
*I feel like GRRM has created so many things and stories in a huge world and now he doesn't know how to finish his story anymore.*
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There were a couple of things you got wrong here. 1 Jamie's first vision happens in a.s.o.s.
2 Jamie is not in kings landing when Ned has his dream in g.o.t. Still a good video though.
He meant that Jamie was in kings landing when Ned fought at the tower of joy not when he had the vision
This is incredible! The only thing that could've made this better was a bit of direct reading from the books. I personally would've loved to hear you read the passage about Jaime's dream.
Bro that last Jamie dream was so beautiful. I loved it so much, Jamie needed that so much. Also the first time listening to the audio book made me realize how magically influenced and out of place that first dream is . And I can’t believe I missed the fact he was resting on a weir wood tree. For me that practically confirms that there were magical Elements at play, and I love the distinction between visions and dreams!
1:21 THANK YOU!!!! I'm tired of people shitting on AFfC, it's my favorite book of the series. People just don't like it because it doesn't have Jon or Dany or Arya. But it is still the best book of the series (in my opinion)
I have always wondered who was the voice that helped Arya cross the yard to escape kings landing!
If you ever wondered what role Jaime played in the Spanish Civil War than just google Jaime 1.
Would love to hear you talk about Tyrion's dream after Blackwater.
Looking forward to your next video!
I think Jaime is Azor Ahai and the Valonqar. Azor Ahai has to stab his wife to create Lightbringer. He could very well do that to Cercei (and she would deserve it) with Widow's Wail (very appropriate name here) which is made from Ice = Ned Stark's former Valerian steel sword. A Song (wail) of Ice (the sword) and Fire. Only Jaime can wield Lightbringer in his fake hand, because it would burn anyone else (other than Dany).
The problem i have with the Azor Ahai prophecy, is that i think the propechy of it being one individual is a red herring and that Azor Ahai embodies multiple individuals. So far, Davos is being written in the way that he is going to be Lightbringer. Jon is the Prince that was Promised and Dany the Stallion that Mounts the World.
Bro you like sopranos ? Been watching your ASOIAF content for months, but now you telling me you like sopranos ? You earned a subscriber my friend.
Jaime has a big role to play and he's one of my favorite characters, I hope stoneheart doesn't get killed by him, she's such a great character
I absolutely love your videos, and the way you explain the plots and theories, I hope you can make some videos explaining the Journey of some (important) characters throught the books, kind of a sumary for their story. Thanks for making such a great videos of ASOIAF
I think there is a third person with prophetic abilities that has quite a central position in the Jamie storyline. Or rather, a central position where he is moving. Which frankly is usually what sent visions does, to nudge you in the "right" direction/decisions. The Ghost of High Heart. Sure, we have no records of her sending visions to others but we do know she is connected to the Weirwood net and therefore could be able to use it in the same way as Bloodraven/future Bran. If this is the case it would also create a neat little bow to the coming Jamie/Brianne/Stoneheart show down.
Stoneheart: "Jamie Lannister, I brought you here to answer for your crimes!"
Ghost of HH: "Actually, I brought him her for my own reasons. So be a good girl and sit down."
Come for the theories, stay for the Bruce Springsteen and ELO references.
It’s pronounced like “beer” 😂😅
Stoneheart, being a dead Cat, is partially from the weirwood net. It’s interesting that Jaime kinda goes there. It’s part of his hero’s journey, I think. It’s just difficult to see what it is he gets to help him on his journey.
I'm new to your channel, and AFFC is my favorite of the books thus far. I think I'm going to like this channel.
Jaime’s vision of the silent sister kind of reminds me of The Mother, of the Seven. He was brought up with that background, his mind would at least use it as the dressing if it is not a true vision. The faith of the seven seems really an oddity amongst all this magic and something subtle like that seems neexed
The vision source is Alys Rivers! Not being completely serious, but weirwood vision and mom dreams are something we have seen her do
Banger video as always.
I love the second vison’s subtle implication that Jamie and Cersi aren't Tywin's Biological children, by having Jamie’s Mom say what Tywin wanted "His son and his daughter" to achieve and implying it didn’t come to pass, where if J and C were his kids it would clearly have.
Then who id the dad?
@@MultiAnikan Posibaly the mad king.
Been binging your videos for the Pat week, and the decision to subscribe was made so much easier just because my favorite song was referenced in a video about my favorite book character. Good looks!
“Feast is the best book”
Amen brother
Really loving these videos and watching the channel grow
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greatest of all time!
Joanna loved Tywin and he loved her.
"Only lady Joanna knew the man beneath the armour" and that is WHY she wanders if Jaime ever trully knew his own father or did he only saw the cold dutiful mask. Tywin never laughed except with Joanna and when she died he never remarried again altough that would be "politically wise" which again implies that Tywin is not all ice and politics but flesh and soul and even dreamer to a point. He dreams his son being a great knight and his daughter the Queen ( literally like a fairytale).
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I've also heard that she may have shouted something to let LS know that Arya is alive
the first prophecy in the series is the dead direwolf with an antler in its throat. This omen foreshadows not only Ned's death but the eventual separation of the Stark children.
Great Video as always, I have to disagree on AFFC being the best book though, whilst it is in my mind the second best to reread, the best book has to go to Storm, it‘s GRRM‘s masterpiece, though for me Dance is a close second
Never expected a Springsteen reference in a video about Jaime Lannister
YOU LIKIN' THE JACKET, TONE?!
He took it off Ser Rocco of house Demayo.
I like the thought Blood Raven sent the vision of his mother. I’m on the fence of it being Bran who sent the dream, as Bran (at least at this particular point of the books) does not remember it was Jamie who pushed him from the tower. Plus, Bran has never thought of Jamie in his POV chapters. I disagree it being Quathe as she seems very focused on Danny. Great video and discussion topic.
Why wouldn't there be a portrait of Johana in Casterly Rock?
Dude i didnt catch how jaimes vision with his mom happened when he was eesting on under a weirwood. That adds so much
Can we call these “Lion Dreams”?
Feast was definitely my least favorite when I first read the series, but everytime I re-read it I just appreciate it more and more
That confirms he's the mad king son then. No one other than targaryens in all George works are mentioned to have prophetic dreams.
I think the vision really could have been sent by Joanna Lannister. There seems to be some sort of bardo or spirit world in ASOIAF, where spirits linger for a time after death before fading or passing on. Maybe Joanna's spirit is calling to Jaime as it passes out of the bardo.
This is the best book. I hear that and I think “am I home?”
Why didn't Tywin remarry? I mean I know his wife died and stuff but is it not his role and his duty to his legacy to what is needed to ensure its continuation?
He really should’ve remarried.
Got you with the like and comment 👍
The first of those dreams happen in aSoS, not in aFfC. After having that dream he decides to go back and save Brienne from the bear and the brave companions
I don't *think* you've done this already but I would love to see you do a video on Quaithe
Feast for Crows is my favorite book
I feel like Jamie and Brienne fighting white walkers tips back to there roles as kings guards and they are defending the true kings lands who most likely is the true Azhor Ahai (most likey Jon Snow). If Jamie lets his past get to him and he falters he will truly not be a kingguard or knight like he always wanted. It really is a warning i think.
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The first dream happened in aSoS...
I was gonna say! Otherwise, though, this is a very neat video.
Yup. He's on his way to KL with the boltons and the dream convinces him to go back to harrenhal and save brienne from vargo hoat
Jamie would have a decent warden of the west, not a unnecessarily cruel nature, he's pretty happy go lucky type
Agreed, I think he’d do well!
Has he been relieved of the title of Warden of the East? I know Robert gave that to him in the first book, but has anybody bothered to give the title to someone who actually has anything to do with the east?
You should do a video on Theon’s dreams.
More of these please :)
The dream is from book 3, a Storm of Swords, not book 4. Chapter 44 to be exact.
What’s your favorite Sopranos dream sequence? Mine is easily the Gloria one from “Everybody Hurts”.
Funhouse is hard to top but I love his nightmare of Livia at the top of the stairs late in season 4.
@@QuinnTheGM Great choices, like you said in the video, David Chase and his crew always just knew how to do dreams. They always FEEL like dreams. The reason I pick the Gloria one is partly for that reason, there are so many strange cuts and moments that just make it so unsettling like a dream like that would be. And the song choice is the greatest I’ve ever heard in any show. I’m with you, The Sopranos is the greatest show of all time. Lol
Sopranos is indeed the best show of all time
This dream clearly implicates cersei and jaimie are not tywins.
Great video
They said, cowled robes, not helmets. There’s a little bit of a difference.
Time traveling Bran back at it again
Cersei made feast so hard to get through and its harder after watching the show she's truly an immersion breaker but i think also the show is a big part of what makes me feel like that
I think it is a dream. He came into the world holding her foot with the hand that is now lost. The stump showing up in his dream with the memory of his mom asking if he really is a knight is what makes Jamie finally let go of Cersei. Acceptance
God I wish they did Sopranos style dreams in the GOT show
The 3 eyes crow is the Great Other. Imo.
I'm mean Dance is clearly the best but as there the same book ...
Kingslayer!
dope vid
Feast is best
I am not entirely convinced that the Men with Helmets are Unsullied or of any significance. After all the most common Weapon in this sort of time Period is a Spear, a weapon that even a poor peasant levy can easily obtain. As for the Helmet, that too is not very distinctive since the one Piece of Armor that even an ill equipped Levy usually gets is a Helmet.
The Weirwood dream is in a storm of swords
Jaime as Azor Ahai would make the most sense. George R.R. Martin likes to complete thematic circles. Jaime as both Kingslayer and Queenslayer, if he kills Cersei. Breaks his oath as Kingsguard to marry Brienne. Brienne sacrificing herself for Jaime to kill her and fulfill the prophecy (so also a wife killer). Such a sad and tragic path for Jaime, but what the Kingdom needs, and Jaime is a character that would do just that. Breaking all vows of honor in order to save the people. Honor is a virtue, but to what end? To protect the King or Queen, or the people?
Jaime being azor ahai does not make sense. His journey is his honor and his redemption through. it
Algormancy!
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Oh man, since he has the dreams, maybe Jaime is ALSO a bastard of Aerys! Maybe he and Tyrion are so close because they're FULL brothers!
That would make his Kingslaying Patricide! Very GRRM.
IT'S GOTTA BE QUAITHE!
4th and best book?
Watchu mean, Quinn?
AFFC Rules!
Bloodraven doesn’t send visions to Bran. His visions stop when he crosses the wall.
That’s why I say it’s from the Three-Eyed Crow, whoever that is.
@@QuinnTheGM Sweet. ’Cos Bloodraven didn’t recognise the name. That always infuriates me, when people mix that up.
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You can only understand the works of George R. R. Martin if you know the Mithraic mysteries or Schytian / Sarmatian / Alan (however you wanna call it) religion and folklore.
His all books and especially the series of the Song of Ice and Fire is just based on Mithraism.
Jaime is the oathbreaker hero of Indo-European folklore. Now go read the story of Tyr and Fenrir. Tyr lets Fenrir bite his right hand (oath hand) to save the Gods and living as no other God has courage to face Fenrir its only him holding back that beast.
For Sarmatians that hero is named Tur (its just same as Tyr); the story is pretty much the same as Nordic one but Fenrir is not just a big "Wolf", (remember Jaime also lost right hand / oath hand after facing the "Wolf" of Game of Thrones) Fenrir is rather somewhat similiar to a Griffin or Griffon, only similarity being that they both have a Wolf head.
So the king Jaime slayed (by breaking the oath) is not a wolf (like in the Nordic story) but rather a Griffon which is much more of a Dragon than anything, as the king was a "Targaryen".
Jaime is not the "Azor Ahai" as that personna is Mitra himself, who is the God of oaths, as Jaime cannot take an oath anymore (no right hand). But the charather, or rather the hero he's based on, Tyr or Tur is the knight and "friend" of Mitra. If you know that Mitraism have "friendship" structure rather than "slave & master" structure in comparisson to other religions, I would recommend to look out for who Jaime befriends to know the true Azor Ahai.
For the dreams, please re-check and read inbetween the lines, how many times the unsullied called "stone" , "rock" , "hard"... And how many other characters are called that way?
Why they push him towards the Casterly "Rock"? I cannot answer it myself as it would be revealing the ultimate ending of series and whole allegory of books, but your key for any secrets is the word "STONE".
While at it, ask yourself, why all these "Christian" kings did not destroy or even just denounce the "Stonehenge" while they all knew it was pagan?
I've always felt that ASOS and AFFC should've been one book. Jeez, talk about needing an editor! Not as long-winded awful as the bogged down books in the middle of Wheel of Time. Oh well, when you're making the publisher millions, who cares about an editor?
How is Gerold Hightower not on this. He led Targaryen forces after the death lord Ormund Baratheon in the War of Nipennykings. He protects Elia Martell from the brotherhood even taking a arrow through his. He rallied to Rhaegar and was the only one that could find him. He’s much more worthy then the Hound
Clear as day that Jaime is the son of Aerys Targaryen.
"This passage was entirely too long" Brother you're making a youtube video of a book written 15+ years ago. We apparently have time.
affc supremacy literally... people who think its boring just dont get it
Can you please turn up your mic
This dream is in ASOS
i will soon start to read the books, but at 9:39, jaime's chapter, i feel is his mother, am i wrong to believe that ? and i see so many people talking about the books, i loved the show, and i still do, even the first part of the last season, but what happend to dany si to far for me, i feel that i am a lucky guy that i get to read them for the first time now haha(i'm here after the end of the video and i feel great about Joanna's prediction hahah)
It is definitely his mother! However I don’t think she’s the source of this vision overall.
Jaime and Cersei are Aerys’ children and Tywin was cuckholded. Just thought that I should bring this up! Not to mention the fact that Cersei is obsessed with fire 🔥, the two of them have again and again committed incest, and Jaime (unlike Tyrion) is nothing like his father. I am also up to the possibility that Tywin was sterile, and his three children could have all been fathered by the mad king. Would explain Tyrions dreams too 🐉!!!
That doesnt make sense, the dream tells Jaime that he belongs un Casterly Rock, he Is a Lannister, while Jon dream tells him he doesnt belongs to the crypts along the kings of winter
while I do think there's some things pointing to jaime and cersei being from the mad king, tyrion association with dragons is just too powerful
@@axelgonzalez5992 Their mother is a lannister herself, so despite tywin being cucked, they are still lannisters, just not tywin`s kids... so its entirely possible for them to be mad king`s kids, and to ``belong`` to casterly rock...
@@camillosteuss Jon's mother is also a Stark and he gets told he doesnt belong in the crypts
@@axelgonzalez5992 yeah, but daddy baratheon also claims that she has no place in those dank mouldy crypts... i know that he may be outta place to claim that, but, many such claims come from people who seemingly make those claims ``from the heart`` rather than from some preference or dogmatic tradition... Which i find quite interesting...