just like in Chess and the pawns that is exactly how you make them relevant which is a good thing, to not just make players think "is the weakest unit, why use it" by giving them much more roles than just blasting through
@@b.d.a.8719 You’re right! Man, if only I had made a joke about the weakest combat unit in the game actually being the best unit and the backbone of every army… That would have been hilarious, but oh well I’ll remember that for the next time!
It took me until watching this video to notice that your opponent's infantry and mech sprites aren't just mirrored left/right. They're actually drawn with their left arms facing forward instead of their right. AW sprites are so great
Can't wait for the mechs episode. Probably my favorite unit. Some more infantry facts. Infantry are the kings of luck damage because luck damage is just about having as many rolls as possible. This makes them one of the most cost efficient units. 16 infantry will easily swarm and kill a medium tank through luck damage, although in practice this isn't feasible to actually do at all. This may fail on tanks and AA though, which cost a lot less than md tanks but take similar amounts of luck damage. Infantry basically do no damage to vehicles. It's practically all luck damage. So attacking a tank or neotank, it's mostly the same damage because it's just the luck portion of the damage getting through. This has a side effect of making Nell the best infantry CO in some situations, because Sami and Sensei for instance will not get a damage increase, because increasing 1% by 30% is basically nothing. Luck COs however ignore vehicle armor. In normal gameplay, infantry don't really counter any unit except mechs, which is always a good trade cost efficiency wise if you can first strike. This is rather unfortunate for the already hard-to-use mechs because infantry are so ubiquitous on every map. With infantry, one has to consider a sometimes overlooked resource in the game: factory time. See, in a roundabout way, if we don't account for factory time, theoretically infantry actually counter teched land units like neotanks at least on paper. If your 1k infantry can do 1 luck damage to a neotank, it's simply a cost efficient trade against the 22k neotank. In practice yes it would often be an awful idea, because you have to consider factory time as an extra cost to infantry. If we suppose that a match lasts 20 turns and we have 3 factories, that gives us exactly 60 units of factory time to spend throughout the game, and how we divide this time up with regards to our funds throughout the match becomes most important with infantry. We can't just swarm 15 infantry to kill a neotank even if it's cost effective fundwise because we would be trading like 30% of our total allotted factory time for the entire game against 1 neotank, or a trade of 15 factory time units for 1 factory time unit. This is why you must also always build infantry every turn unless you have a very specific need not to, or else it's just throwing away factory time. Also, I may have just made all of this up randomly whilst high on Sami wallpapers.
They should definitely be a majority of the army, but the question is how much? I would argue that the amount of infantry you have should be based on the board size. Factory time is something that should be taken into account, but so should your tech. A good rule of thumb is if you don't know what to build then infantry can't hurt.
I will perpetually have the logic in my head "If a unit says it's going to do 60% damage, it's going to do 6 health. But if a unit does 63% damage, then there's a 30% chance that it will actually do 7" And I know that's not how it actually works, because partial HP carries over and such, but damn does it FEEL accurate.
Generally about yes, but often the odds are lower than that since terrain defence and attacker HP affect the luck damage. A 7HP unit attacking a unit on a city will only inflict half of the potential luck damage (0.7x0.7=0.49).
yeah I too thought it was like that until yesterday that I was playing dual strike and chose Nell, and I was like "okay how exactly does her luck work, cuz I heard luck also decreases dmg at a chance" and find out luck has actually been a mechanic since forever, hidden and the cause of damage being so varied. And that is also different across COs. like back in 2010 when my bros said Flak had a chance to deal less dmg or more I thought that was all what Luck was about (and thought Nell was also that way) turns out, while yes luck is the cause of the dmg decrease/increase on flak, it's also much more complicated than just a chance and the bad luck is not presented on Nell at all about 16 years or so since I first knew this game and to these days Im still learning new things about it
It's interesting that playing through the campaign will usually give the impression that infantry are somewhat minor, since there is usually a lot more predeployed resources and a lot less contesting property (most property is very clearly set up to be captured or very much not). Most competitive maps seem to focus a lot more on the property contest across the map though. I think that's part of why newer players that just learned the game through the campaign can have a skewed view of the value of many units.
I actually think the biggest reason is not the map design but it's the fact that you're facing the AI Even on maps without many pre deployed forces the AI will never spam infantry so you don't really need to do so yourself, you can just build vehicles and the AI will suicide their units into them for free value. It's only when you start going up against players that keep their units safe and just absolutely overwhelm you with seas of infantry that you realize that you need to build a lot of infantry so you can combat their infantry spam After all the biggest reason why spamming infantry is so powerful is that the only counter to it is to also spam Infantry
@@kingarthur3236 I think this is partly true, but the AI is also designed that way for the game's maps and their usually predeployed forces. The AI gets more units to start usually, but less eventual economy or production. So if the AI were programmed to spam infantry, their usually lower base count would likely leave them in a bad spot. Also, hordes of infantry end up being less useful in like choke point city, where most of the fighting is concentrated in one spot. Most campaign maps don't have lots of different objectives of equal priority and instead have a single big objective or a string of objectives to go through. The infantry ocean is a lot more important for map presence in a more open map with lots of different fronts to contest and property to grab at once.
@@AdmiralTails infantry and transports are more useful in war room. The ai is scripted to move out slowly and capture closest cities one by one. So you can exploit that behavior and send your transports to capture distant bases and airports before the AI does.
@@AdmiralTails I mean, you compare the war room maps to anything Mangs plays on for AWBW, and you can see the game creator's design philosophy for how vs maps should be played and how the community ended up making maps is pretty different. Also, the AI is just kinda simple and dumb. I don't think a very challenging AI to train people for pvp was ever high on the developer's list of priorities.
Hot dang am I glad I came by, I never realized joining units would give a refund on HP over 10. I always refrained since I thought the funds just went up in flames.
Fun fact: AW1 Grit also had weaker infantry since they weren't exempt from his direct-attack penalty. Considering they got rid of that problem for Grit come AW2, it boggles the mind why they didn't think to exempt foot soldiers from Jess's penalty as well, considering her D2D is generally weaker than Grit's as it is.
Especially because they're land units. I suppose they just didn't think infantry firepower mattered too much when it's only 10%, but it really does add up in a map. Honestly, I kind of think a 90% infantry penalty on grit is fair given how strong he can get.
@@BigKlingy I have a feeling that would end up plummeting him straight into garbage tier. Maybe just average infantry would work, but making them weak would completely neuter him. Kanbei _has_ to have an effective capture game in order to maintain the upkeep on his expensive troops.
In standard competitive map, Infantry spam is seen every day in early game (unless the player is playing a gambit or doesn't know to play competitively), they also exist in mid game and late game in order not to lose units by walling; scouting; potensial income that gained though vehicle, air or rarely naval fights. In campaigns and war rooms, they kinda suck ass unless the map is very close to a competitive map (2-4 bases for each player and maybe 0-2 airports or mutliples ports, no pre-deployed army, actual contested city, symetrical maps, etc.). So balance them in 2 different maps type is impposible unless you make the comptitive map and balance around it THEN put them in campaign / war rooms map.
Would love to see a days of ruin mega episode covering all the new units and the changes made to previous existing ones. As for what next, time to give the ol reliable battle copter some love.
I think you should have mentioned how crucial it is to capture properties at choke points! Not only do they give you the defense but the healing properties make them incredibly strong.
I wonder if it would change the game much if fighters could fly over infantry since that scenario is so rare, but boi is it frustrating when four units just box in something thousands of feet above them.
@@projectpitchfork860 I am pretty sure they can, depending on your luck roll. Each infantry will roughly do around 1 HP of damage to the tank, and they'll start to wear it down, making it do less damage on counter-attacks. I think 7 infantry vs 1 tank will be a little luck based, but 10 infantry will for sure beat 1 tank.
@@projectpitchfork860 If tank is on a city then definitely not. But if tank is on road or plains then 10 infantry win for sure and 7 probably win too. Depending on CO obviously.
I feel like there's so much that the skeletal, yet effective, action-economy hides within it is why people keep coming back more and more. And while I would like more complexity, namely more geo-effects and terrain engagement (improvements); _despite the insanity that is The Advance Wars IP I'm glad it's still getting love._
I think I posted a comment ages ago asking about unit analyses - and this series has taught me even more than I had imagined I'd learn! Thank you so, so much! :D
8:45 well it is a cost effective trade. 2 hp of a medium tank is worth 3200 funds. the losses of the three infantrys are 500 for the first, 300 for the second and another 400 for the third which is a loss of 1200 funds. So you get a lead of 2000 funds in value. And these infantry are still capapble meat shields
I don't know, this strikes me as a short-term victory in most cases. While a 2000 gold advantage is nice, you're sacrificing substantial map presence for not much in return. An 8HP MD tank is still a threat on the battlefield, and your infantry now can't capture as well, and can only take one more hit from most enemy units instead of two.
@@lukastojanovic3023 I would agree if it were at full health to begin with, but in this case, a 4HP Md.Tank isn't as dangerous and is likely going down to the artillery next turn. It also is pinned down and can't attack anything else, though the artillery is now more exposed.
@@lukastojanovic3023 If a rocket is going to shoot that md tank or something, yeah it's indeed a waste, but that's all situational stuff. When you take into account factory time and the map presence of infantry, it may indeed not be worth it.
OS Infantry are Yankees with probably Thompson SMGs or BARs BM Soviets with AK47s/PPSH YC Japanese with Arisaka rifles GE Germans with MP40s Yes they're infantry who are definitely equipped with grenades as required just like irl but don't use them. Or they're not issued one in Advance Wars universe. Also don't ask about Black Hole's equipment, we have no idea about those except their mechs.
Its difficult to judge from the sprites but I do think the american and russian weapons depicted are tommies and papashas. It's odd that the yellow star arisakas seem to be full auto however. (The japanese had an SMG but it wasnt widely issued because wartime reasons) /overthinking a cartoon game
I love Mangs comparing Advance wars to Chess. I'm a Chess player myself and imo the comparisons are always accurate and make me go "Huh, I never thought of it like that."
Mangs: “hello everyone -“ Me (knowing how the format of these videos goes): “oh no that poor infantry unit in the lower left hand corner paired up against that yellow medium tank” 😝 Love these videos! Best in depth videos on a unique game 😊 Edit: I was pleasantly surprised to see that later on in the video that medium tank ended up getting destroyed by 3 infantry and the artillery. That was brilliant! 😄
I'd like to see Mangs make a list of units he made up that he wants in a future game that could fill a role that seems missing in the series so far. As a rule he can settle with 1 made up unit per class. Such as one infantry type, one wheeled, one treads, one air, one sea, and etc.
The only things I can think of you missing out on is talking about the specifics of the damage infantry do on the first strike against Battle Copters and Transport Copters and when it would be most cost efficient to attack them, and how drastically different you should treat infantry on pre-deployed maps. Fantastic video!
so, what do you think about how you treat infantry in pre-deployed maps. Are they meatshields? Do you save them to capture properties and allow you to repair units?
@@samuelduff5716 I feel like instead of using infantry to swarm like you would when you can build, in most pre-deployed maps I spend a lot more time trying to guard the infantry as I advance. The biggest factors in how much effort I put into defending them are whether or not they can capture objectives (cities to heal or the HQ to win) and whether the map is a sort of rough terrain FoW that is easier for mechs and infantry to move around and scout in compared to other units.
Maybe review battleships next? They're the most expensive unit in the game (until Dual Strike, at least), but have some impressive stats to back it up. Are they worth it?
They're rarely worth it, even with Drake. If they had Days of Ruin move+attack buff or the rom hack Advance Wars Returns price reduction to 20k they might be more utilized in PvP
@@H3LLFYRE i mean, I'm a Grit main (i know, i know) so I'm partial to them purely because they outrange every land targeting indirect in the game - one extra point of range over rockets.
They're a rocket that costs almost twice as much and can only move on seas in exchange for +1 range. No, they're not worth it outside of some very specific situations where you absolutely need to shoot land units from the sea (which basically requires that the map not have airports, because otherwise you're better off with the THREE BATTLE COPTERS you can produce with those funds you'd be spending on a battleship) or you find yourself needing to engage in pure naval combat.
Price is the issue, the nature of naval unit is an issue (can’t cross bridge, shoal or even river (unlike famicom war where naval unit can cross them). And the usual air threat. Also B ship isn’t that tanky agaisnt indirect unit neither if 2 or 3 decide to attack a single B ship
An anti infantry vehicle is called an IFV or infantry fighting vehicle, it’s job is to kill infantry, they’re faster than tanks and are sometimes aquatic, also recons would be OP if they were able to cross rivers.
When you attacked that Medium Tank with 3 infantry... that's not what I would do, with an artillery in range. I'd just move the infantry there without attacking, because, with the mountain behind it, the Medium Tank would be trapped there. And, depending on the damage rolls, it'd only be able to injure/kill one of the infantry before it's destroyed, assuming another vechicle doesn't come to it's rescue, as opposed to weakening several of your infantry to do what's basically chip damage. Also, I would say join-capping is generally always worth it. Unless the infantry you're joining have bigger units harassing them, that could then gang up with the infantry on your capping units. But in most cases, since you get 1000 per day from the properties, the investment with pay itself back once you get the property, and then will continue to pay itself off many times over in the coming turns.
I think specially in the example shown in the video join capping is not worth at all for two reasons 1. Losing units is never good, like those 6hp infantry could in the future not only block stuff but finish off low HP infantry that the opponent is using to block stuff 2. I think join capping is especially bad when the capture was interrupted by an infantry because what you could do instead is just shoot on it with your full health one. Like if you pulled all 6hb and Country back and sharp with his he would have done a lot of damage, like if you can do a lot of damage to your opponent's infantry and get a Advantage you're going to capture the city eventually and probably for less cost. Honestly I would only join cap if 1: I will either 100% get the property or I will force my opponent to distract an important vehicle shooting on it 2. I wont easily get that property later anyways 3. won't get good value by just moving the Infantry away and shooting on something from the city If all of these circumstances are met then I think it's a good idea the majority of the time
@@Mangs1337 oh yeah, I was more responding to the comment above. If you wanted to add a little more depth you could have showed an example where it was worth it and example where it wasn't worth it and explained it instead of just showing how it works but you did atleast show the concept well.
Love these vids, always a little something to learn, and get to hear some strats from a really good player in an easy-to-understand format. I didn't know you got funds back from combining units, that's really good to know. Hope you'll cover the DualStrike units too eventually :p
I have no clue if you might cover it in the mechs, but you might want to show the t-copter/APC load trick for more range. I hear you say it in some of the match videos but it might be nice to have it in a video like this.
You could certainly cover DoR units, but it's important to remember that a lot of older units got balance changes in that game. For example, Battle Copters are nowhere near as good against Anti-Air and Cruisers when getting the first strike, as well as infantry costing 1500 and having some different matchups (They're the best ground-based counter to the Anti-Tank for example).
I'd say Bazookas and Bikes (and maybe even Rockets) were better against Anti-tanks, though Infantry were certainly solid against them and more likely to be in position.
infantry are also very strong because it's very hard to oneshot a lot of them with most ground unit (unless your vehicle are composed by only A-Air or any heavy tank) so they are the best meatshield. even tank or any other unit can get 2 shot by some other unit.
all of this is actually very realistic. If anything, Infantry is even more overwhelmingly important in real wars. Infantry can and will kill almost anything that‘s not defended by it‘s own infantry.
@@quietone610 yeah in this game infantry should have a "Grenade" option. throwing one (3 per infantry) anywhere in a 4 space diamond, and the grenade explodes instantly to deal 3HP to infantry and 1hp to Vehicles in the area.
Eri Kasamoto: Green Earth [Joke Tier] A Metal Slug Staff Sergeant, she was thrust into Wars World when the "Kissing Tanks" meme exploded the barrier between them. Fell out with Kanbei for "honorless" tactics, and with Sami after a pitched navel battle that Sami insists she won. Due to Rebel Army's use of Mega-Everything, shares Marco and Fio's distaste for Mega-Tanks and Battleships Day-to-Day: All Mechs +10% Firepower 100% more ammunition, and +20% against Mega Tanks and Battleships CO Power: Aim Grenades ** Mechs are +50% power and may indirect-fire 2 range (like Max Artillery) Super CO Power: Rocket Lawn-chair **** Mechs are +80% power, may indirect 2-3 Range (like Regular Artillery). All Mech / Inf capture rate +50% to a maximum of 150%.
I've been meaning to ask you to do your Mech episode sooner rather than later, I've played most all AW campaigns but getting into more PvP fights I'm realizing I've severely underestimated the application and importance of infantry when the inital capturing phase is over. I'd love to learn more about the fundimental applications of times to build mechs and how this differs to times when I'd rather just be building infantry. I also want to ask a specific question about active missle silos. I often see in the rare instances they are present that a lot of people like to pop them earlier for help in engagements, usually before the first wave of CO powers come into play. I see a lot of potential late game for them but do not know how risky getting your silo swiped from me when I'm not using it is. I suppose it's first and foremost map dependant but otherwise is there an established meta on techniques for missle silos? Also, quality video discussion as always brother! Keep up the good work.
It hurt my soul to watch the join cap demo. I know it was for effect, but the actual play there is to shoot and that doesn’t interrupt the cap value, and then join everyone back to 10, with 10 capture left. This makes those 7 hp infantry into 2 or 3 hp infantry that would suicide on attempted continued attacks. So if they fall back, same capture speed with an extra 12 hp of infantry dead, or an extra 21 hp of infantry dead, a 3 unit advantage, and one turn delayed capture (edit: the second option, everything after the “or,” is to specify what happens if they don’t fall back and attack. There are permutations of what happens next, but they are all better then what happens if you do it like the video shows). Heals to full the next turn though if they spread out the attacks to delay all three, and those 7s are still around in your demo version of tactics. You’ll get more damage and a tougher fight.
Random factoid: For an infantry to 3-turn cap, it needs to have an average of about 7 HP during the capping. So a 6 HP infantry needs 4 turns unless joined.
Obviously, in days of ruins units have differents stats, but it would still be cool if you could give your oppinion about them. And also theorize how well (or bad) they could do if they were ported back to older games.
Would be nice in the far future for you to do the same with Wargroove's units, since each and everyone one of them have an analogue with AW2 units. Well, except the amphibious and civilian units. (I'd argue the Commander=Neotanks)
Bikes from DoR can't cross mountains like normal infantry can which I didn't expect at first. As I mentioned I'm interested in carriers (both DS and DoR versions), but I guess you might prioritize the main units from AW2 first
In cases where I only have one unit that can attack a Mech, I am not really a fan of attacking full health Mechs on cities with my Infantry unless I can do so from a city or mountain. I'd rather attack an Infantry on a forest or even city than attack a Mech in a city even if I can do so from a forest. The only exception is if a city is being capped and has exactly 10 points. If a Mech is sitting on a city but didn't cap because it was attacking a unit, I'd rather attack something else. If a city has 7 or less points and an enemy is sitting there with a full health Mech due to joint capping, again I'd rather attack something else. If the Mech is the only thing the infantry can attack and I can't do something like attack an enemy Infantry or Artillery, then I'll begrudgingly attack said Mech. Otherwise if a city is at 8, 9, or 10 points (or anything higher, but the odds of a city being at 15 points with a full health mech on it are a tad low), I'll just have the infantry do something else. When you attack a Mech on a city or mountains, the counterattack just hits pretty darn hard unless you're doing something like attacking with a bomber where it can't retaliate. An exception to this is if there is a follow-up unit. For example, if I can attack a Mech on a city by starting with an Infantry and following that up with a Recon or Mech, I'll be happier to do so. Against Sonja or Sami, I don't even bother attacking their Mechs on cities if I can only do so with 1 unit. The first unit just gets mauled on the counterattack so if a second unit can't followup, I don't think it's worth it. I won't even take a Colin disposable infantry and attack one of their Mechs on a city, not even to interrupt a cap.
Who would win? _A massive blob of Tank Divisions, Artillery Pieces, Anti-Air Regiments, an Air Armada, and a mass of navy?_ Or *_A Full HP Infantry Boi just 10 Capture Points away from Capturing an HQ?_*
Depends. How far away is the closest unit. They can't fight him without getting closer. ...Also, if it's Kanbei using his Super, not even a sustained assault by another Kanbei would be able to kill it.
Infantry are like pawns on the chess board just as any cannon fodder in a strategy game. How valuable can that really be? Well, everyone seems to have a favorite piece, but the truth is that the pawn structure dictates which piece is the most dominate in the current position. Meaning that sometimes even the queen could have a harder time being useful over a knight. I don't know if the concept can be fully applied to advance wars, but it just goes to show how strong they can really be. If that doesn't convince you then consider this. Without infantry you are practically playing pre-deployment and your decisions each turn could cost you the game, but forming a structure with infantry allows you to play more practical rather than precise and now your opponent is the one that needs to be careful. This is because it would be easier to gain a positive trade when the enemy is targeting the cheapest unit in the game with some of the most expensive. You are almost certain to multiple the value.
Infantry: the most valuable and the most expendable unit in your entire army. They serve a very important purpose of increasing your income, but they're combat is very poor, only being able to have good matchup against themselves.
Not exactly just themselves, they also do better engagements against indirects, it's just enemy infantry also have the same idea, let alone shielding them as well
@@ElkaPME Infantry do decent against Artillery and Rockets, but Recons are better at that. They can outmaneuver their attack range and deal more damage.
@@windmage0168 the purpose of infantry is for distraction and meatshield lol, not only income, you never heard altirelly guarded by infantry tactics in wood terrain fog of war?
If you have a unit that can attack a Sonja or Sami Mech on a city, you can't attack it with a second unit, and the unit that can attack the Mech can do something else, don't do it if the Mech can counterattack. You'll just take horrible counterattack damage and not get enough out of it if a second unit can't follow up. Would you rather use your infantry to attack 10 HP Sami or Sonja Mech on a city that is either capping it or just shot one of your APCs or shoot a 2 HP infantry? I'd do the second. If I had a Recon, Tank, or Mech to follow up, I wouldn't mind attacking the Mech with 2 units. This doesn't apply to COs like Colin, Andy, or Hawke, but Sonja and Sami Mechs are scary on the counterattack.
16:15 problem with HQ caps is that some the map surrounds their HQ with factory, wich makes them completly useless, i find that very dumb in a way since that deletes an option for no reason YES DAYS OF RUIN, i suggest gunboat
Love the Gunboat, it could support all the other naval units so well in different ways. Naval combat really needed a cheaper unit to spice up the Naval triangle and the gunboat really delivered in my opinion
@@FIamestalker yeah usually small craft like that aren't equipped with expensive things like missiles. usually just machine guns and maybe a small cannon or two
I don't think anyone said this but you forgot to mention vision range and vision range on mountains. Other than that great video. Edit: oh sorry I did not know he said it at 3:55.
He did go over vision range. I'm sorry to say I wont be going back over the video to find you a time stamp. Edit: I had the video open earlier today while on break, I made this reply when I was home so I didn't have the comments refreshed to see that others already gave the time.
7:35 "When they attack vehicles they don't do well." Sir. That was literally an even exchange, 700 funds of infantry for "700" funds of tank. Except that hit brought the tank to 8.6 or so, so the next hit is clearly going to be worth 1400 funds of tank. Also, the second hit will leave you with a 5 HP infantry left over. I know you needed to use those other units to engage the indirects to show that off and whatnot, but you undersold how well that engagement and a followup engagement would have actually been. Sure, the tank could kill the 3 HP still, but then it has to hang in the fight, and risk more infantry surrounding it. Two infantry hitting the tank without you having local support is an immediate fall back condition.
While this is true, the tank was also on a road, and the better the tank's defenses, the worse this matchup will be, since more remaining HP means more return firepower; further, you're trading board presence to break even on funds in this example. If the tank were lower on HP and there were multiple infantry, especially with defensive terrain, it would be a better matchup, as demonstrated on the Md.Tank.
Also you have to consider that using a base is part of the cost for ground units. While the tank is still mostly functional, the infantry is basically gone.
I was never a fan of DOR. Not because of gameplay or anything its just dark and foreboding while the AW before it was lighthearted even though it was technically war. I really dont think it should have been called AW because its almost a completely different game. But thats my opinion.
@@picallo1 It's actually the best of the series. The only one where the computer isn't a cheating bastard in Fog of War! It also has more units like Bikes, Carriers & Seaplanes. Even the Battleships are improved as the only indirect attack unit that can move & attack on the same turn.
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I like how they somehow managed to make Infantry the weakest and strongest unit at the same time
just like in Chess and the pawns
that is exactly how you make them relevant
which is a good thing, to not just make players think "is the weakest unit, why use it"
by giving them much more roles than just blasting through
@@b.d.a.8719 You’re right! Man, if only I had made a joke about the weakest combat unit in the game actually being the best unit and the backbone of every army…
That would have been hilarious, but oh well I’ll remember that for the next time!
What a weird response
It took me until watching this video to notice that your opponent's infantry and mech sprites aren't just mirrored left/right. They're actually drawn with their left arms facing forward instead of their right. AW sprites are so great
Mind blown…
Can't wait for the mechs episode. Probably my favorite unit.
Some more infantry facts.
Infantry are the kings of luck damage because luck damage is just about having as many rolls as possible. This makes them one of the most cost efficient units. 16 infantry will easily swarm and kill a medium tank through luck damage, although in practice this isn't feasible to actually do at all. This may fail on tanks and AA though, which cost a lot less than md tanks but take similar amounts of luck damage.
Infantry basically do no damage to vehicles. It's practically all luck damage. So attacking a tank or neotank, it's mostly the same damage because it's just the luck portion of the damage getting through. This has a side effect of making Nell the best infantry CO in some situations, because Sami and Sensei for instance will not get a damage increase, because increasing 1% by 30% is basically nothing. Luck COs however ignore vehicle armor.
In normal gameplay, infantry don't really counter any unit except mechs, which is always a good trade cost efficiency wise if you can first strike. This is rather unfortunate for the already hard-to-use mechs because infantry are so ubiquitous on every map.
With infantry, one has to consider a sometimes overlooked resource in the game: factory time. See, in a roundabout way, if we don't account for factory time, theoretically infantry actually counter teched land units like neotanks at least on paper. If your 1k infantry can do 1 luck damage to a neotank, it's simply a cost efficient trade against the 22k neotank. In practice yes it would often be an awful idea, because you have to consider factory time as an extra cost to infantry. If we suppose that a match lasts 20 turns and we have 3 factories, that gives us exactly 60 units of factory time to spend throughout the game, and how we divide this time up with regards to our funds throughout the match becomes most important with infantry. We can't just swarm 15 infantry to kill a neotank even if it's cost effective fundwise because we would be trading like 30% of our total allotted factory time for the entire game against 1 neotank, or a trade of 15 factory time units for 1 factory time unit.
This is why you must also always build infantry every turn unless you have a very specific need not to, or else it's just throwing away factory time.
Also, I may have just made all of this up randomly whilst high on Sami wallpapers.
Did it make you happy?
@@duross101 it made me happy
They should definitely be a majority of the army, but the question is how much? I would argue that the amount of infantry you have should be based on the board size. Factory time is something that should be taken into account, but so should your tech. A good rule of thumb is if you don't know what to build then infantry can't hurt.
Infantry,the guys who don't use the knife or throw their grenades
Would be fun if the animation showed them throwing grenades when attacking vehicles
What they gonna throw the knives?
@@Quincy_Morris i would rather have those grenades for infantry rather than vehicles bcoz we already hv mech for that
I mean I don't think knives will do them any favor in a war like this but yeah, it's dumb that they don't use their grenades.
@@JaxOf7 knifes? This is not Fire Emblem
Is Mangs really out here reviewing human beings?
If mankind is so good, where is mankind 2?
Nah, he's not a Booktuber
What is a man? A miserable little pile of se- actually that quote is so ridiculously meme-y, that I'm not even going to finish it.
crets. But enough talk...
Have at you!
That's a weird way of saying "statistics"
I will perpetually have the logic in my head "If a unit says it's going to do 60% damage, it's going to do 6 health. But if a unit does 63% damage, then there's a 30% chance that it will actually do 7"
And I know that's not how it actually works, because partial HP carries over and such, but damn does it FEEL accurate.
I think it's a safe view. You'll just be pleasantly surprised when a injured unit takes more damage than expected.
Generally about yes, but often the odds are lower than that since terrain defence and attacker HP affect the luck damage. A 7HP unit attacking a unit on a city will only inflict half of the potential luck damage (0.7x0.7=0.49).
yeah I too thought it was like that
until yesterday that I was playing dual strike and chose Nell, and I was like "okay how exactly does her luck work, cuz I heard luck also decreases dmg at a chance" and find out luck has actually been a mechanic since forever, hidden and the cause of damage being so varied. And that is also different across COs.
like back in 2010 when my bros said Flak had a chance to deal less dmg or more
I thought that was all what Luck was about (and thought Nell was also that way)
turns out, while yes luck is the cause of the dmg decrease/increase on flak, it's also much more complicated than just a chance and the bad luck is not presented on Nell at all
about 16 years or so since I first knew this game and to these days Im still learning new things about it
It's interesting that playing through the campaign will usually give the impression that infantry are somewhat minor, since there is usually a lot more predeployed resources and a lot less contesting property (most property is very clearly set up to be captured or very much not). Most competitive maps seem to focus a lot more on the property contest across the map though. I think that's part of why newer players that just learned the game through the campaign can have a skewed view of the value of many units.
I actually think the biggest reason is not the map design but it's the fact that you're facing the AI
Even on maps without many pre deployed forces the AI will never spam infantry so you don't really need to do so yourself, you can just build vehicles and the AI will suicide their units into them for free value.
It's only when you start going up against players that keep their units safe and just absolutely overwhelm you with seas of infantry that you realize that you need to build a lot of infantry so you can combat their infantry spam
After all the biggest reason why spamming infantry is so powerful is that the only counter to it is to also spam Infantry
@@kingarthur3236 I think this is partly true, but the AI is also designed that way for the game's maps and their usually predeployed forces. The AI gets more units to start usually, but less eventual economy or production. So if the AI were programmed to spam infantry, their usually lower base count would likely leave them in a bad spot.
Also, hordes of infantry end up being less useful in like choke point city, where most of the fighting is concentrated in one spot. Most campaign maps don't have lots of different objectives of equal priority and instead have a single big objective or a string of objectives to go through. The infantry ocean is a lot more important for map presence in a more open map with lots of different fronts to contest and property to grab at once.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa The AI point remains true in the war room and vs. mode against AI though, which can help enforce that lower infantry playstyle.
@@AdmiralTails infantry and transports are more useful in war room. The ai is scripted to move out slowly and capture closest cities one by one. So you can exploit that behavior and send your transports to capture distant bases and airports before the AI does.
@@AdmiralTails I mean, you compare the war room maps to anything Mangs plays on for AWBW, and you can see the game creator's design philosophy for how vs maps should be played and how the community ended up making maps is pretty different. Also, the AI is just kinda simple and dumb. I don't think a very challenging AI to train people for pvp was ever high on the developer's list of priorities.
Hey, it's those weak units that Sensei's power spawn!
Oh no, he popped his super and gave them each rocket launchers.
Haha, silly Sami player trying to capture that HQ with a damaged Infantry unit... :-P
@@Blizz3112 That infantry unit only has 1 HP and it intends to steal my HQ in one turn? What a joke!
@@SoldierOfFate there is absolutely no way i have overextended! that infantry unit poses no threat to me at all!
@@SoldierOfFate *VICTORY MARCH* THAT INFANTRY IS STILL ALIVE
Infantry HP:
10 perfect meat shield/steal city.
9-7 could be one hit K.O/take city in 3 turn (still worthy)
6-1 either repair or one hit blockage
6-1 Used for scouting areas and traping enemy's units
1HP Sami infantry: an existential threat
Cheap and expendable units are like the backbone of an army :-P
@@bendlask4550 You good?
Hot dang am I glad I came by, I never realized joining units would give a refund on HP over 10. I always refrained since I thought the funds just went up in flames.
Sensei anger noises
Sensei actually mentions this in AW2's campaign, to flex on Adder.
@@BigKlingy I've been saving AW 1 and 2 for the remake, but neat!
Fun fact: AW1 Grit also had weaker infantry since they weren't exempt from his direct-attack penalty. Considering they got rid of that problem for Grit come AW2, it boggles the mind why they didn't think to exempt foot soldiers from Jess's penalty as well, considering her D2D is generally weaker than Grit's as it is.
Especially because they're land units. I suppose they just didn't think infantry firepower mattered too much when it's only 10%, but it really does add up in a map. Honestly, I kind of think a 90% infantry penalty on grit is fair given how strong he can get.
I've always wondered if someone like Kanbei would be balanced if they had weak Infantry, given how huge of a disadvantage that is.
@@BigKlingy I have a feeling that would end up plummeting him straight into garbage tier. Maybe just average infantry would work, but making them weak would completely neuter him. Kanbei _has_ to have an effective capture game in order to maintain the upkeep on his expensive troops.
Whats weeird is maxs infantry are completly normal yet grits are worse. Makes no sense. And jess as well.
In standard competitive map, Infantry spam is seen every day in early game (unless the player is playing a gambit or doesn't know to play competitively), they also exist in mid game and late game in order not to lose units by walling; scouting; potensial income that gained though vehicle, air or rarely naval fights. In campaigns and war rooms, they kinda suck ass unless the map is very close to a competitive map (2-4 bases for each player and maybe 0-2 airports or mutliples ports, no pre-deployed army, actual contested city, symetrical maps, etc.). So balance them in 2 different maps type is impposible unless you make the comptitive map and balance around it THEN put them in campaign / war rooms map.
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War always comes down to having boots on the ground.
It is not for nothing MANpower is so important in war .
Would love to see a days of ruin mega episode covering all the new units and the changes made to previous existing ones.
As for what next, time to give the ol reliable battle copter some love.
Mech, Rocket, Misile, Naval units and every mediocore/niche units :
Mangs and Nell are great at teaching new players coming into Advance Wars about the ways of war, combat and units.
I think you should have mentioned how crucial it is to capture properties at choke points! Not only do they give you the defense but the healing properties make them incredibly strong.
3:10 Wouldn't want to build missiles? Wow what an unusual circumstance.
Mangs: It’s map dependent.
AWBW Discord: HE’S IN BOYS! HE DID IT! HE SAID THE THING!
Great video. After watching other people's replay commentaries, many of them have no idea how to use infantry at all.
I wonder if it would change the game much if fighters could fly over infantry since that scenario is so rare, but boi is it frustrating when four units just box in something thousands of feet above them.
Are Infantry worth it? The answer may surprise you
Seven infantry can't cill a tank. Not even 10. Just saying.
@@projectpitchfork860 I am pretty sure they can, depending on your luck roll. Each infantry will roughly do around 1 HP of damage to the tank, and they'll start to wear it down, making it do less damage on counter-attacks. I think 7 infantry vs 1 tank will be a little luck based, but 10 infantry will for sure beat 1 tank.
@@projectpitchfork860 If tank is on a city then definitely not. But if tank is on road or plains then 10 infantry win for sure and 7 probably win too. Depending on CO obviously.
@@Mangs1337 But that's very, very unlikely, since Infantry would require getting perfekt luck rolls ten times in a row. That 0.1 high ten.
@@michaela2634 No. The chance of getting all high luck rolls is pretty low and tanks can pull away.
I feel like there's so much that the skeletal, yet effective, action-economy hides within it is why people keep coming back more and more. And while I would like more complexity, namely more geo-effects and terrain engagement (improvements); _despite the insanity that is The Advance Wars IP I'm glad it's still getting love._
I think I posted a comment ages ago asking about unit analyses - and this series has taught me even more than I had imagined I'd learn! Thank you so, so much! :D
Looking forward to seeing your Unit Analysis on the Gunboat!
Cant imagine how much time was put into making these. The demonstrations and seamlessness of these videos is as impressive as they are helpful.
8:45 well it is a cost effective trade. 2 hp of a medium tank is worth 3200 funds. the losses of the three infantrys are 500 for the first, 300 for the second and another 400 for the third which is a loss of 1200 funds. So you get a lead of 2000 funds in value. And these infantry are still capapble meat shields
I don't know, this strikes me as a short-term victory in most cases. While a 2000 gold advantage is nice, you're sacrificing substantial map presence for not much in return. An 8HP MD tank is still a threat on the battlefield, and your infantry now can't capture as well, and can only take one more hit from most enemy units instead of two.
@@lukastojanovic3023 I would agree if it were at full health to begin with, but in this case, a 4HP Md.Tank isn't as dangerous and is likely going down to the artillery next turn. It also is pinned down and can't attack anything else, though the artillery is now more exposed.
@@lukastojanovic3023 If a rocket is going to shoot that md tank or something, yeah it's indeed a waste, but that's all situational stuff. When you take into account factory time and the map presence of infantry, it may indeed not be worth it.
Congratulation for 100k!
i've only played a handful of games of advance wars but i always chose sami and spammed infantry. glad to see my strategy is actually not bad :D
The backbone of the army. It’s important to know a lot about your main force!
OS Infantry are Yankees with probably Thompson SMGs or BARs
BM Soviets with AK47s/PPSH
YC Japanese with Arisaka rifles
GE Germans with MP40s
Yes they're infantry who are definitely equipped with grenades as required just like irl but don't use them.
Or they're not issued one in Advance Wars universe.
Also don't ask about Black Hole's equipment, we have no idea about those except their mechs.
Its difficult to judge from the sprites but I do think the american and russian weapons depicted are tommies and papashas. It's odd that the yellow star arisakas seem to be full auto however. (The japanese had an SMG but it wasnt widely issued because wartime reasons) /overthinking a cartoon game
@@DarthWillSmith full autp conversion. Just like using guided missiles on zeros.
Really appreciate how well you plan these videos out, Mangs..... You're able to do the whole thing in one take!
I imagine a tons of family sad to know their son/husband died in battle
Reason of his death: blown up close range by tank
Tanks never use cannons on foot soldiers, that'd be cruel!
Exept in batallion wars
@@Ephraim225 it wouldn't be any more cruel than shotting them with bullets....
using cannons on infantry is just not effective
@@yosefyonin6824 Ever heard of high explosive rounds?
@@projectpitchfork860 can still easily miss and usually used to destroy enemy cover.
There is a reason tanks always need support
Commander! We can't attack the enemy rocket batteries with our bombers!!
*_It's surrounded by infrantry!_*
I love Mangs comparing Advance wars to Chess. I'm a Chess player myself and imo the comparisons are always accurate and make me go "Huh, I never thought of it like that."
Doing overviews of days of ruin units would be really interesting, especially bikes, anti-tanks and the greatly reworked carrier and battleship
Mangs: “hello everyone -“
Me (knowing how the format of these videos goes): “oh no that poor infantry unit in the lower left hand corner paired up against that yellow medium tank” 😝
Love these videos! Best in depth videos on a unique game 😊
Edit: I was pleasantly surprised to see that later on in the video that medium tank ended up getting destroyed by 3 infantry and the artillery. That was brilliant! 😄
The true infantry masters are Nell and Rachel. With their CEO powers, their infantry can shred Neotanks!
rachel's luck boosting power sucks
Dang. My CEO power only lets me become a billionaire.
Another great vid Mangs!!
Days of Ruin versions of these would be lovely not going to lie.
I'd like to see Mangs make a list of units he made up that he wants in a future game that could fill a role that seems missing in the series so far. As a rule he can settle with 1 made up unit per class. Such as one infantry type, one wheeled, one treads, one air, one sea, and etc.
The only things I can think of you missing out on is talking about the specifics of the damage infantry do on the first strike against Battle Copters and Transport Copters and when it would be most cost efficient to attack them, and how drastically different you should treat infantry on pre-deployed maps. Fantastic video!
so, what do you think about how you treat infantry in pre-deployed maps. Are they meatshields? Do you save them to capture properties and allow you to repair units?
@@samuelduff5716 I feel like instead of using infantry to swarm like you would when you can build, in most pre-deployed maps I spend a lot more time trying to guard the infantry as I advance. The biggest factors in how much effort I put into defending them are whether or not they can capture objectives (cities to heal or the HQ to win) and whether the map is a sort of rough terrain FoW that is easier for mechs and infantry to move around and scout in compared to other units.
do mechs next please, they are the masters of cost effectiveness!
Assuming they can get in range within time
@@triplea657aaa And assuming that an infantry doesn't manage to hit them first
@@UltimaDoombotMK1 oof
only for decoy and defensive purpose, not suitable for breakthrough and attack
Infantry, the bread and butter of Advance Wars.
They might not be strong, but they're so useful.
dude, i was just watching through the first 4 unit analysis videos and just noticed that this one uploaded
Maybe review battleships next? They're the most expensive unit in the game (until Dual Strike, at least), but have some impressive stats to back it up. Are they worth it?
They're rarely worth it, even with Drake. If they had Days of Ruin move+attack buff or the rom hack Advance Wars Returns price reduction to 20k they might be more utilized in PvP
@@H3LLFYRE what about high income maps tho? If you're pulling 40k a turn, a Battleship might be viable
@@H3LLFYRE i mean, I'm a Grit main (i know, i know) so I'm partial to them purely because they outrange every land targeting indirect in the game - one extra point of range over rockets.
They're a rocket that costs almost twice as much and can only move on seas in exchange for +1 range. No, they're not worth it outside of some very specific situations where you absolutely need to shoot land units from the sea (which basically requires that the map not have airports, because otherwise you're better off with the THREE BATTLE COPTERS you can produce with those funds you'd be spending on a battleship) or you find yourself needing to engage in pure naval combat.
Price is the issue, the nature of naval unit is an issue (can’t cross bridge, shoal or even river (unlike famicom war where naval unit can cross them). And the usual air threat. Also B ship isn’t that tanky agaisnt indirect unit neither if 2 or 3 decide to attack a single B ship
The term your looking for is IFV
Infantry Fighting Vehicle
just gotta say that I love the effort you put into making the maps you do these videos on, they look very pleasing
An anti infantry vehicle is called an IFV or infantry fighting vehicle, it’s job is to kill infantry, they’re faster than tanks and are sometimes aquatic, also recons would be OP if they were able to cross rivers.
*sad schwimmwagen noises*
@@H3LLFYRE dont rock the boat
Would that still be so if, say, rivers came at 3 movement cost (like forests)?
@@underrated1524 yeah that would be a good idea, or give them like half of the movement of a cruiser on water.
When you attacked that Medium Tank with 3 infantry... that's not what I would do, with an artillery in range. I'd just move the infantry there without attacking, because, with the mountain behind it, the Medium Tank would be trapped there. And, depending on the damage rolls, it'd only be able to injure/kill one of the infantry before it's destroyed, assuming another vechicle doesn't come to it's rescue, as opposed to weakening several of your infantry to do what's basically chip damage.
Also, I would say join-capping is generally always worth it. Unless the infantry you're joining have bigger units harassing them, that could then gang up with the infantry on your capping units. But in most cases, since you get 1000 per day from the properties, the investment with pay itself back once you get the property, and then will continue to pay itself off many times over in the coming turns.
I think specially in the example shown in the video join capping is not worth at all for two reasons
1. Losing units is never good, like those 6hp infantry could in the future not only block stuff but finish off low HP infantry that the opponent is using to block stuff
2. I think join capping is especially bad when the capture was interrupted by an infantry because what you could do instead is just shoot on it with your full health one. Like if you pulled all 6hb and Country back and sharp with his he would have done a lot of damage, like if you can do a lot of damage to your opponent's infantry and get a Advantage you're going to capture the city eventually and probably for less cost.
Honestly I would only join cap if
1: I will either 100% get the property or I will force my opponent to distract an important vehicle shooting on it
2. I wont easily get that property later anyways
3. won't get good value by just moving the Infantry away and shooting on something from the city
If all of these circumstances are met then I think it's a good idea the majority of the time
It was a poor example, but I just wanted to show the concept.
@@Mangs1337 oh yeah, I was more responding to the comment above. If you wanted to add a little more depth you could have showed an example where it was worth it and example where it wasn't worth it and explained it instead of just showing how it works but you did atleast show the concept well.
Love these vids, always a little something to learn, and get to hear some strats from a really good player in an easy-to-understand format. I didn't know you got funds back from combining units, that's really good to know.
Hope you'll cover the DualStrike units too eventually :p
I have no clue if you might cover it in the mechs, but you might want to show the t-copter/APC load trick for more range. I hear you say it in some of the match videos but it might be nice to have it in a video like this.
A good way to think of infantry I've found is that they work on an alternative resource system. Other units cost money. Infantries cost Factory uses.
You could certainly cover DoR units, but it's important to remember that a lot of older units got balance changes in that game. For example, Battle Copters are nowhere near as good against Anti-Air and Cruisers when getting the first strike, as well as infantry costing 1500 and having some different matchups (They're the best ground-based counter to the Anti-Tank for example).
I'd say Bazookas and Bikes (and maybe even Rockets) were better against Anti-tanks, though Infantry were certainly solid against them and more likely to be in position.
infantry are also very strong because it's very hard to oneshot a lot of them with most ground unit (unless your vehicle are composed by only A-Air or any heavy tank) so they are the best meatshield. even tank or any other unit can get 2 shot by some other unit.
True
all of this is actually very realistic. If anything, Infantry is even more overwhelmingly important in real wars. Infantry can and will kill almost anything that‘s not defended by it‘s own infantry.
Infantry really force you into the Fun Zone.
Still they should be able to throw grenades.
What, you think this is Metal Slug? The art style is similar...
@@quietone610 yeah in this game infantry should have a "Grenade" option. throwing one (3 per infantry) anywhere in a 4 space diamond, and the grenade explodes instantly to deal 3HP to infantry and 1hp to Vehicles in the area.
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[Joke Tier] A Metal Slug Staff Sergeant, she was thrust into Wars World when the "Kissing Tanks" meme exploded the barrier between them. Fell out with Kanbei for "honorless" tactics, and with Sami after a pitched navel battle that Sami insists she won. Due to Rebel Army's use of Mega-Everything, shares Marco and Fio's distaste for Mega-Tanks and Battleships
Day-to-Day: All Mechs +10% Firepower 100% more ammunition, and +20% against Mega Tanks and Battleships
CO Power: Aim Grenades ** Mechs are +50% power and may indirect-fire 2 range (like Max Artillery)
Super CO Power: Rocket Lawn-chair **** Mechs are +80% power, may indirect 2-3 Range (like Regular Artillery). All Mech / Inf capture rate +50% to a maximum of 150%.
I'd say with infantry this time it'd be nice to get mechs next since mechs can be darn good cost effective trades
Great vid man, keep up the great work
I've been meaning to ask you to do your Mech episode sooner rather than later, I've played most all AW campaigns but getting into more PvP fights I'm realizing I've severely underestimated the application and importance of infantry when the inital capturing phase is over. I'd love to learn more about the fundimental applications of times to build mechs and how this differs to times when I'd rather just be building infantry.
I also want to ask a specific question about active missle silos. I often see in the rare instances they are present that a lot of people like to pop them earlier for help in engagements, usually before the first wave of CO powers come into play. I see a lot of potential late game for them but do not know how risky getting your silo swiped from me when I'm not using it is. I suppose it's first and foremost map dependant but otherwise is there an established meta on techniques for missle silos?
Also, quality video discussion as always brother! Keep up the good work.
It hurt my soul to watch the join cap demo. I know it was for effect, but the actual play there is to shoot and that doesn’t interrupt the cap value, and then join everyone back to 10, with 10 capture left. This makes those 7 hp infantry into 2 or 3 hp infantry that would suicide on attempted continued attacks. So if they fall back, same capture speed with an extra 12 hp of infantry dead, or an extra 21 hp of infantry dead, a 3 unit advantage, and one turn delayed capture (edit: the second option, everything after the “or,” is to specify what happens if they don’t fall back and attack. There are permutations of what happens next, but they are all better then what happens if you do it like the video shows). Heals to full the next turn though if they spread out the attacks to delay all three, and those 7s are still around in your demo version of tactics. You’ll get more damage and a tougher fight.
Not sure if unpopular opinion, but I liked your "is it worth it?" series more since the videos were shorter and more edited. :X
Random factoid: For an infantry to 3-turn cap, it needs to have an average of about 7 HP during the capping. So a 6 HP infantry needs 4 turns unless joined.
I'd love a video about bikes! And more Days of Ruin content in general
Obviously, in days of ruins units have differents stats, but it would still be cool if you could give your oppinion about them. And also theorize how well (or bad) they could do if they were ported back to older games.
Would be nice in the far future for you to do the same with Wargroove's units, since each and everyone one of them have an analogue with AW2 units. Well, except the amphibious and civilian units. (I'd argue the Commander=Neotanks)
Does anyone still play Wargroove?
@@michaela2634 Yes, the playerbase is small but there are official tournaments with small prizes semifrequently. Aswell as ranked seasons.
Love this series!
nice you just forget 2 things infantry do not eat (almost) nor require ammo so they can travel all the map.
(5:52) You mean, sometimes they'll reduce the Infantry to _4_ HP instead.
Bikes from DoR can't cross mountains like normal infantry can which I didn't expect at first. As I mentioned I'm interested in carriers (both DS and DoR versions), but I guess you might prioritize the main units from AW2 first
Also I think in dual strike luck is higher so sending infantry at low hp vehicles is an even better idea.
2:42 seeing Sami wrecking Sonja brings a smile to my face
Grats on 100k
In cases where I only have one unit that can attack a Mech, I am not really a fan of attacking full health Mechs on cities with my Infantry unless I can do so from a city or mountain. I'd rather attack an Infantry on a forest or even city than attack a Mech in a city even if I can do so from a forest. The only exception is if a city is being capped and has exactly 10 points. If a Mech is sitting on a city but didn't cap because it was attacking a unit, I'd rather attack something else. If a city has 7 or less points and an enemy is sitting there with a full health Mech due to joint capping, again I'd rather attack something else. If the Mech is the only thing the infantry can attack and I can't do something like attack an enemy Infantry or Artillery, then I'll begrudgingly attack said Mech. Otherwise if a city is at 8, 9, or 10 points (or anything higher, but the odds of a city being at 15 points with a full health mech on it are a tad low), I'll just have the infantry do something else. When you attack a Mech on a city or mountains, the counterattack just hits pretty darn hard unless you're doing something like attacking with a bomber where it can't retaliate. An exception to this is if there is a follow-up unit. For example, if I can attack a Mech on a city by starting with an Infantry and following that up with a Recon or Mech, I'll be happier to do so. Against Sonja or Sami, I don't even bother attacking their Mechs on cities if I can only do so with 1 unit. The first unit just gets mauled on the counterattack so if a second unit can't followup, I don't think it's worth it. I won't even take a Colin disposable infantry and attack one of their Mechs on a city, not even to interrupt a cap.
Sami salami: my infantry are better than others :D
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Congrats on 100k mangs
Ooo, video idea!
Chess Player Tries Advance Wars (AWBW) For The First Time
(Though it make take some time/effort before you can record a video)
Who would win?
_A massive blob of Tank Divisions, Artillery Pieces, Anti-Air Regiments, an Air Armada, and a mass of navy?_
Or
*_A Full HP Infantry Boi just 10 Capture Points away from Capturing an HQ?_*
Depends.
How far away is the closest unit. They can't fight him without getting closer.
...Also, if it's Kanbei using his Super, not even a sustained assault by another Kanbei would be able to kill it.
Im so proud of myself for figuring out join capping by myself
No discussion of APC and transport heli.
Granted it would heavily go against his heavy spam tactics.
Joincaping sounds like you should Join and then Capture when it’s the other way around... we should start calling Cap-Joining
Sami theme supreme
Infantry are like pawns on the chess board just as any cannon fodder in a strategy game. How valuable can that really be? Well, everyone seems to have a favorite piece, but the truth is that the pawn structure dictates which piece is the most dominate in the current position. Meaning that sometimes even the queen could have a harder time being useful over a knight. I don't know if the concept can be fully applied to advance wars, but it just goes to show how strong they can really be.
If that doesn't convince you then consider this. Without infantry you are practically playing pre-deployment and your decisions each turn could cost you the game, but forming a structure with infantry allows you to play more practical rather than precise and now your opponent is the one that needs to be careful. This is because it would be easier to gain a positive trade when the enemy is targeting the cheapest unit in the game with some of the most expensive. You are almost certain to multiple the value.
I'd like to see a video on the Duster from Days of Ruin.
Perhaps do the Tank next. The 7k Tank that makes up the main defense force in the Early game.
Every new video I learn something, I didn't know defense buff decrease with the unit HP
Interestingly, that only applies to *terrain* defense. Day-to-day defense boosts like Kanbei gets don't care about the HP of the unit.
Well, now i know how to join cap XD
Infantry: the most valuable and the most expendable unit in your entire army. They serve a very important purpose of increasing your income, but they're combat is very poor, only being able to have good matchup against themselves.
Not exactly just themselves, they also do better engagements against indirects, it's just enemy infantry also have the same idea, let alone shielding them as well
@@ElkaPME Infantry do decent against Artillery and Rockets, but Recons are better at that. They can outmaneuver their attack range and deal more damage.
@@windmage0168 the purpose of infantry is for distraction and meatshield lol, not only income, you never heard altirelly guarded by infantry tactics in wood terrain fog of war?
@@richard35791 I'm still new to AW lol. I kinda speak outta my ass.
Please do the DoR-only units too!
If you have a unit that can attack a Sonja or Sami Mech on a city, you can't attack it with a second unit, and the unit that can attack the Mech can do something else, don't do it if the Mech can counterattack. You'll just take horrible counterattack damage and not get enough out of it if a second unit can't follow up. Would you rather use your infantry to attack 10 HP Sami or Sonja Mech on a city that is either capping it or just shot one of your APCs or shoot a 2 HP infantry? I'd do the second. If I had a Recon, Tank, or Mech to follow up, I wouldn't mind attacking the Mech with 2 units. This doesn't apply to COs like Colin, Andy, or Hawke, but Sonja and Sami Mechs are scary on the counterattack.
Next time: "Terrain analysis"
(That would be cool to make a quick video talking about all the terrain, even if there's not that much to say)
well, to new players kinda yes?
And lets be honest, its pretty inportant know about terrain
@@thebrazillianguytm2186 yeah, could be great for new players
16:15 problem with HQ caps is that some the map surrounds their HQ with factory, wich makes them completly useless, i find that very dumb in a way since that deletes an option for no reason
YES DAYS OF RUIN, i suggest gunboat
Love the Gunboat, it could support all the other naval units so well in different ways. Naval combat really needed a cheaper unit to spice up the Naval triangle and the gunboat really delivered in my opinion
@@FIamestalker the problem with the gunboat is the false advertising. has no gun.
@@Paulunatr Not a problem in the EU version, where it was named the Missile Boat. Gunboat still sounds better/cooler in my opinion
@@FIamestalker yeah usually small craft like that aren't equipped with expensive things like missiles. usually just machine guns and maybe a small cannon or two
I don't think anyone said this but you forgot to mention vision range and vision range on mountains. Other than that great video.
Edit: oh sorry I did not know he said it at 3:55.
3:55
He did go over vision range. I'm sorry to say I wont be going back over the video to find you a time stamp.
Edit: I had the video open earlier today while on break, I made this reply when I was home so I didn't have the comments refreshed to see that others already gave the time.
Do you have any video showcasing a Sneaky HQ Cap? Would love to see one!
7:35 "When they attack vehicles they don't do well." Sir. That was literally an even exchange, 700 funds of infantry for "700" funds of tank. Except that hit brought the tank to 8.6 or so, so the next hit is clearly going to be worth 1400 funds of tank. Also, the second hit will leave you with a 5 HP infantry left over. I know you needed to use those other units to engage the indirects to show that off and whatnot, but you undersold how well that engagement and a followup engagement would have actually been. Sure, the tank could kill the 3 HP still, but then it has to hang in the fight, and risk more infantry surrounding it. Two infantry hitting the tank without you having local support is an immediate fall back condition.
While this is true, the tank was also on a road, and the better the tank's defenses, the worse this matchup will be, since more remaining HP means more return firepower; further, you're trading board presence to break even on funds in this example.
If the tank were lower on HP and there were multiple infantry, especially with defensive terrain, it would be a better matchup, as demonstrated on the Md.Tank.
Also you have to consider that using a base is part of the cost for ground units. While the tank is still mostly functional, the infantry is basically gone.
I would love to see DoR/DC unit in this series maybe even famicom wars but for the next episode I am team battleship
I was never a fan of DOR. Not because of gameplay or anything its just dark and foreboding while the AW before it was lighthearted even though it was technically war. I really dont think it should have been called AW because its almost a completely different game. But thats my opinion.
@@picallo1 It's actually the best of the series. The only one where the computer isn't a cheating bastard in Fog of War! It also has more units like Bikes, Carriers & Seaplanes. Even the Battleships are improved as the only indirect attack unit that can move & attack on the same turn.
@@Animebryan2 That may be but I still dont have any interest. Like I said the lighthearted tone is gone all of our beloved CO's are gone. Im good.
infantry: what is our purpose?
mangs:you're used for property seizing and cannon fador
Infantry: awe..😞
thats the reason i think sensei is S rank for this very reason
I think you should cover the Bomber next!
Nothing like seeing an ennemy tank attack my infantry wich is covered by my artilery. :3
Mighty Egg of Wisdom, might your excellency be willing to teach us, petty humans, about the stealth fighter? I insist they are underpowered for their cost, but people on internet is amused by them.