Disassemble them both and you will see there's a big difference in the main gears. The 2024 has the bigger teeth gearing that it shares with the older CI4+ whereas the 2020 Vanford has Shimano's micromodule gears. Smaller teeth, less friction, less contact. i_fish did a great video on this so I must credit him.
Thank you, this explains. Mine 24 is certainly not as smooth as my 1st gen Vanford. Whatever the reason. I was blaming Shimano QA and bad luck. So it's by design.
Even the 23 Shimano Vanquish, a 700$ reel has some gear feel to it. It's the downside to increasing gear tooth size. But the Stella is the smoothest reel in the world with this enlarged teeth. Interesting isn't it..
I've got both Vanford and Twin Power. In the sense of smoothness Twin Power is much better. Vanford is a good reel for light and ultralight in my opinion. I caught an 8+ kilo fish with Shimano Vanford c3000 .... Not an issue at all -still works like new, but Twin Power...is one of the best I own. Nice review.Thumb up.
Hi, I have 3 Twinpower 4000 PG 4.4 Ratio, so far so good. I prepher low retios. I will have attention on that matter, thanks for the information. Allways nice to hear from you. Ps. Twinpower PG 2024
I picked up this vanford 2500hg 24 to pair with the zodias. So far so good,trout fishing in heavy current. I hope I can overload / stress test it before your next report video so I can leave another comment on your channel. Hopefully a positive one. Great channel with interesting content thank you.
I tested on river smallmouth, it did OK. What I really should do is to catch some wipers... they did some damage to the Vanquish, will be a great test for the Vanford.
Thanks for the information, hope you hook up with some larger fish with it soon. I have been looking at the Revoltage lineup hopefully they’ll become more available!
I chased reels and reel tech for over a decade, I have boxes upon boxes of state-of-the-art reels that I used for 6 months and never again. I got so exhausted chasing reels in this 2-year product cycle that I quit. Modern reels are needlessly overcomplicated (I can’t service magseal myself) and they’re designed to fail (planned obsolescence). I now exclusively use reissue Abu Cardinal 3s & vintage 33s. The Abus have worm drive, 5.1/5.9 ratios, metal frame, 15-20 parts total, they’re beautifully simple sturdy and reliable. Cardinals have like 5 parts that could ever possibly fail (springs, plastics), and although most 40 year old examples still function perfectly, any broken part can be easily sourced and replaced due to the prevalence of reissues on the market and custom parts vendors that specialize in Abu Cardinals. You can customize them to a point that they become unrecognizable, all with perfect modern functionality. I’m never going back to chasing Shimano & Daiwa, they can keep their gimmicks and super slow rotors and magseal, I don’t need any of that stuff to catch fish, none of us ever did.
Keep fishing simple, I like that. And for the Abu part, couldn't agree more. Honestly there are a lot of selling points for modern fishing reels that are not novel at all. Simply something Abu, Less and Heddon rolled out decades ago, then people forgot about it, then some modern MFGs dug it out and rebranded it --- like 19 mm wide "narrow spool", bait casting reel drag alarm, etc...
I had the same issue with Daiwa's Magseal oil, I searched some forums about it and there are some anglers that bought the magnetic oil sold directly from the manufacturer, since it its a withe label product, I bought some too and tested it, but to be honest couldn't tell a diference of using a reel with or without that oil, so I just removed it from my Caldia, even the original oil that the reel had from the beginning used to spill trought the system and get into the roller bearing making it malfunction, so I just removed it.
I have changed the whole line roller assembly of Vanford 20.Placed two high quality bearings and Sic. line roller.Worth the effort,retrieving became much better.Luckily none of this issues with 23 Vanquish so far...Maybe a good idea to switch to Daiwa and replace the drag knob for SLP quick drag which I did on the new Luvias.
I have the noise on the line roller as well on my 2024 vanford. I love the reel and thats my only dissapointment with it. I will try the oil and see if that fixes the sound
Interesting. I had this exact same issue with my ‘24 twin power. I was very disappointed and unfortunately adding oil didn’t seem to fix the noise completely.
I have 2 Ci4+ (4000) and Stradic SW (4000) and Twin Power FD (4000). After 1 season of Striper all my Stradic have weird grindy noise and after 2-3 season the gears are thumping. 4 season with Twin Power and it just noisy. I am assuming it the bearing wearing out. The gears are still ok. My Calcutta conquest 201XG is having it gears thumping every half turn. (1-2) season of striped bass
Hi bro, did you by any chance get to try out the 2021 twinpower xd mgl series of reel? How does it compare to the vanford and vanquish? I have been hearing a lot about the new vanford is somehow of a let down. Not necessarily an updated upgrade and as you said, the roller bearing issue you have on yours, the drag clicker is a let down as well, it now hit a plastic housing instate of the spool edge and also the oveall fit and finish is not as desirable.
No I have not. The size was a bit too big for what I do (starts from C3000, although it is a 2500 size body). I like the concept of light rotor but sturdy the rest of the reel. If you are interested in one, I'd say wait a little bit. Shimano spinning reels are now on a 4 year update schedule. Twinpower just updated 2024 (last was 2020), XD, if they decide to continue, should update next year. Either get the new one or get the 21 XD at deep discount.
I have two 22 Stella in heavy use, no issue what so ever so far. 23 Vanquish 2500S was all good until earlier this year I hooked into a few 7-8lb wipers...then there is something going on with the retrieve. Need to find some time and take it part.
@ I have 2 3k vanquish been fishing hard for striper and Hali so far no problem, I have 2 1k vanquish for panfish so far no problems. The 22 Stella haven’t had heavy used yet? 🤞
@@RippinLipzAddictz I have 2 Ci4+ (4000) and Stradic SW (4000) and Twin Power FD (4000). After 1 season of Striper all my Stradic have weird grindy noise and after 2-3 season the gears are thumping. 4 season with Twin Power and it just noisy. I am assuming it the bearing wearing out. The gears are still ok.
LOL for spinning reels I refuse to use Daiwa due to issues in my earlier years...Exist SF is a reel designed with feather weight and feather weight only in mind. If my memory serves me right, in the official intro Daiwa wrote something like "purposely sacrifice durability for feather-like weight".
@BassniperEng I see.. probably not a good idea for me to use with light salt then ? I catch mackerel and small bass , bonito, sea bass ect.. most fish under 3 pounds .. probably will not be good to use sf in the long run because I want to use one reel and rod as long as I can... maybe the stell 1000sspg would be more ideal in the long run of uses.. I'm in a pickle between the two reels.. light weight fun but might not hold up in the long run and see wear quickly on the existing SF while the stella is bit more heavy but more durable in the long run 🎣 but then again most my light salt game fish are under 2 pounds and I use the rod to reel it in most the time and I hardly use the reel to pull it in... decision decision 🎣🎣🤔 lol
Bonitos might be small but their run are not lol will put the Exist SF "well done"--toasted that is, by my prediction. Exsence might be worthy a look -- designed for Japanese seabass (from brackish water to harbor/jetty to light salt casting), C3000MHG weighs 180 g. I would personally prefer a larger spool diameter for salty, just because of the longer IPT (imagine a Bonito swimming toward you full speed while you cranking the handle of a 1000 Stella trying to catch up lol).
@@BassniperEng yeah i need a HG... our bonefish is also very fast .. i been testing all year with cheap 500/1000 size reels and they have been good with line capacity 150m ... i might have to go SF 2000 because i like to live in the danger zone most my lures are 3 to 5 grams x8 0.3 BRAID 150m will be good enough as i fish shallow waters on my kayak 10 to 40+ft deep .. last week i lost my dad reel and rod i think a bonita took it and flew off my kayak spool was ripping hard
Fished my 2nd day today with my C3000HG and this exact sound started. I got so worried and still dont know what to do. A brand new reel should not need any fixes 2nd day fishing with it..
I would get a stradic for that. More heavy duty. While you can use a vanford for it, it is designed for more for finesse fishing. The stradic will feel so much better and probably be better in the long run for heavier uses.
I would never use the Vanford for surf fishing, not even the 4000 or 5000. I hooked into some 7-8 lbs wiper earlier this year on the Vanquish (UL rod). After that the Vanquish has not been doing well. I have yet got the time to take it apart but likely gear problem or one-way clutch problem...Vanford is the same MGL series. These MGL spinning reels feature light weight rotor for easy start/stop of the rotor to satiate super finesse presentations. Stradic or Twinpower will be a better fitted option like Torment6369 mentioned.
Beware! I have three of these. Main gear went out on the 3000 in under a year, covered under warranty. My 2500 just started doing the same thing two months out of warranty. Sounds and feels like the same issue. Crappy main gears. These reels are $500+!
My first gen Vanford wasn't perfect. Significant "vertical" play for spool axle. Included fine adjustment spacers plain ridiculous. Otherwise doing fine. Just not for the price. Got my 24 Vanford hoping for all probable issues ironed out in second gen. Has some sort of slight rattling noise/feel right out of the box which wasn't there in the first one. Plus the axle play. Not entertained.
I dont think the Vanford is a hard fighting reel its for smaller fish only . i Have about 5 new reels i have not even used yet but already I am getting heavier reel replacements i made some cheap choices that are not built strong for all types of fishing but i learn my mistake and stop listening to other people.
Same story for Daiwa and also Shimano. It's important to get a good reel out of the box. Many are assembled like sht, no matter if made in JAPAN or MALAYSIA/CHINA. Reels to avoid for me include 24 Certate, 23 Stradic FM, 23 Vanquish and 20 Luvias LT. Reels to buy include Stella FK, Airity 23 and so on.
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Disassemble them both and you will see there's a big difference in the main gears. The 2024 has the bigger teeth gearing that it shares with the older CI4+ whereas the 2020 Vanford has Shimano's micromodule gears. Smaller teeth, less friction, less contact. i_fish did a great video on this so I must credit him.
Thank you, this explains. Mine 24 is certainly not as smooth as my 1st gen Vanford. Whatever the reason. I was blaming Shimano QA and bad luck. So it's by design.
They tried to copy Daiwa, but failed???
They both have micromodule gears
Even the 23 Shimano Vanquish, a 700$ reel has some gear feel to it. It's the downside to increasing gear tooth size. But the Stella is the smoothest reel in the world with this enlarged teeth. Interesting isn't it..
@@danielwutfishothe lighter the material, the more sound is hearable…
I've got both Vanford and Twin Power. In the sense of smoothness Twin Power is much better. Vanford is a good reel for light and ultralight in my opinion. I caught an 8+ kilo fish with Shimano Vanford c3000 .... Not an issue at all -still works like new, but Twin Power...is one of the best I own. Nice review.Thumb up.
Hi,
I have 3 Twinpower 4000 PG 4.4 Ratio, so far so good.
I prepher low retios.
I will have attention on that matter, thanks for the information.
Allways nice to hear from you.
Ps. Twinpower PG 2024
I picked up this vanford 2500hg 24 to pair with the zodias. So far so good,trout fishing in heavy current. I hope I can overload / stress test it before your next report video so I can leave another comment on your channel. Hopefully a positive one. Great channel with interesting content thank you.
I tested on river smallmouth, it did OK. What I really should do is to catch some wipers... they did some damage to the Vanquish, will be a great test for the Vanford.
Thanks for the information, hope you hook up with some larger fish with it soon. I have been looking at the Revoltage lineup hopefully they’ll become more available!
I chased reels and reel tech for over a decade, I have boxes upon boxes of state-of-the-art reels that I used for 6 months and never again. I got so exhausted chasing reels in this 2-year product cycle that I quit. Modern reels are needlessly overcomplicated (I can’t service magseal myself) and they’re designed to fail (planned obsolescence).
I now exclusively use reissue Abu Cardinal 3s & vintage 33s. The Abus have worm drive, 5.1/5.9 ratios, metal frame, 15-20 parts total, they’re beautifully simple sturdy and reliable. Cardinals have like 5 parts that could ever possibly fail (springs, plastics), and although most 40 year old examples still function perfectly, any broken part can be easily sourced and replaced due to the prevalence of reissues on the market and custom parts vendors that specialize in Abu Cardinals. You can customize them to a point that they become unrecognizable, all with perfect modern functionality.
I’m never going back to chasing Shimano & Daiwa, they can keep their gimmicks and super slow rotors and magseal, I don’t need any of that stuff to catch fish, none of us ever did.
Keep fishing simple, I like that. And for the Abu part, couldn't agree more. Honestly there are a lot of selling points for modern fishing reels that are not novel at all. Simply something Abu, Less and Heddon rolled out decades ago, then people forgot about it, then some modern MFGs dug it out and rebranded it --- like 19 mm wide "narrow spool", bait casting reel drag alarm, etc...
I had the same issue with Daiwa's Magseal oil, I searched some forums about it and there are some anglers that bought the magnetic oil sold directly from the manufacturer, since it its a withe label product, I bought some too and tested it, but to be honest couldn't tell a diference of using a reel with or without that oil, so I just removed it from my Caldia, even the original oil that the reel had from the beginning used to spill trought the system and get into the roller bearing making it malfunction, so I just removed it.
Great information. Glad you're back. Bassmd
Sorry for the long radio silence, work and fishing got me good :-)
I have changed the whole line roller assembly of Vanford 20.Placed two high quality bearings and Sic. line roller.Worth the effort,retrieving became much better.Luckily none of this issues with 23 Vanquish so far...Maybe a good idea to switch to Daiwa and replace the drag knob for SLP quick drag which I did on the new Luvias.
I’ll just stick with my Shimano Ci4! Looks better and is still performing beautifully after all these years! Never felt Vanford was a real upgrade!
American legacy had a few, but they sold out fast. Used section btw.
So far so good on my new 2500 Vanford FA after four months.
I have the noise on the line roller as well on my 2024 vanford. I love the reel and thats my only dissapointment with it. I will try the oil and see if that fixes the sound
Interesting. I had this exact same issue with my ‘24 twin power. I was very disappointed and unfortunately adding oil didn’t seem to fix the noise completely.
Sorry to hear, my 24 Twinpower C3000MHG had the same issue as well, after only 30 fish.
Great in Depth review. Should Definitely do more of these 👍🏻
Haven’t seen this issue with my 2024 Vanford 2500. I’ve used it for a couple of months.
I have 2 Ci4+ (4000) and Stradic SW (4000) and Twin Power FD (4000). After 1 season of Striper all my Stradic have weird grindy noise and after 2-3 season the gears are thumping. 4 season with Twin Power and it just noisy. I am assuming it the bearing wearing out. The gears are still ok.
My Calcutta conquest 201XG is having it gears thumping every half turn. (1-2) season of striped bass
Hi bro, did you by any chance get to try out the 2021 twinpower xd mgl series of reel? How does it compare to the vanford and vanquish? I have been hearing a lot about the new vanford is somehow of a let down. Not necessarily an updated upgrade and as you said, the roller bearing issue you have on yours, the drag clicker is a let down as well, it now hit a plastic housing instate of the spool edge and also the oveall fit and finish is not as desirable.
No I have not. The size was a bit too big for what I do (starts from C3000, although it is a 2500 size body). I like the concept of light rotor but sturdy the rest of the reel. If you are interested in one, I'd say wait a little bit. Shimano spinning reels are now on a 4 year update schedule. Twinpower just updated 2024 (last was 2020), XD, if they decide to continue, should update next year. Either get the new one or get the 21 XD at deep discount.
@@BassniperEng That is the plan bro! Thanks for the engagement!
I haven’t yet had that happen the Vanford is more of a lighter bait reel than a cranking reel. Is that possibly the issue?
I think it might be the new water repellant grease Shimano put in. the 24 Twinpower had this same issue not long after I put it to use.
What about stradic sw 4000xg 2024
What rod is that you’re using ?
The one at the beginning was the Jackall Gen2 Revoltage S65UL. More details and other rods paired with 24 Vanford at 10:22
I heard a lot of ppl say 22 Stella and 23 vanquish have play and noise but I guess I’m the lucky one
I have two 22 Stella in heavy use, no issue what so ever so far. 23 Vanquish 2500S was all good until earlier this year I hooked into a few 7-8lb wipers...then there is something going on with the retrieve. Need to find some time and take it part.
@ I have 2 3k vanquish been fishing hard for striper and Hali so far no problem, I have 2 1k vanquish for panfish so far no problems. The 22 Stella haven’t had heavy used yet? 🤞
If you find out, let us know? 🙏
@@RippinLipzAddictz I have 2 Ci4+ (4000) and Stradic SW (4000) and Twin Power FD (4000). After 1 season of Striper all my Stradic have weird grindy noise and after 2-3 season the gears are thumping. 4 season with Twin Power and it just noisy. I am assuming it the bearing wearing out. The gears are still ok.
off reel brand topic..... have you had any issues with your EXIST SF?
LOL for spinning reels I refuse to use Daiwa due to issues in my earlier years...Exist SF is a reel designed with feather weight and feather weight only in mind. If my memory serves me right, in the official intro Daiwa wrote something like "purposely sacrifice durability for feather-like weight".
@BassniperEng I see.. probably not a good idea for me to use with light salt then ? I catch mackerel and small bass , bonito, sea bass ect.. most fish under 3 pounds .. probably will not be good to use sf in the long run because I want to use one reel and rod as long as I can... maybe the stell 1000sspg would be more ideal in the long run of uses.. I'm in a pickle between the two reels.. light weight fun but might not hold up in the long run and see wear quickly on the existing SF while the stella is bit more heavy but more durable in the long run 🎣 but then again most my light salt game fish are under 2 pounds and I use the rod to reel it in most the time and I hardly use the reel to pull it in... decision decision 🎣🎣🤔 lol
Bonitos might be small but their run are not lol will put the Exist SF "well done"--toasted that is, by my prediction. Exsence might be worthy a look -- designed for Japanese seabass (from brackish water to harbor/jetty to light salt casting), C3000MHG weighs 180 g. I would personally prefer a larger spool diameter for salty, just because of the longer IPT (imagine a Bonito swimming toward you full speed while you cranking the handle of a 1000 Stella trying to catch up lol).
@@BassniperEng yeah i need a HG... our bonefish is also very fast .. i been testing all year with cheap 500/1000 size reels and they have been good with line capacity 150m ... i might have to go SF 2000 because i like to live in the danger zone most my lures are 3 to 5 grams x8 0.3 BRAID 150m will be good enough as i fish shallow waters on my kayak 10 to 40+ft deep .. last week i lost my dad reel and rod i think a bonita took it and flew off my kayak spool was ripping hard
Fished my 2nd day today with my C3000HG and this exact sound started. I got so worried and still dont know what to do. A brand new reel should not need any fixes 2nd day fishing with it..
I just got an aldebaran last week that the thumb button won’t engage every time. And it feels hard to crank. Was my dream reel. Now idk what to do.
23 Vanquish all day everyday.
So vanford 2024 it would not be good for catfish neither surf fishing even in 2500 or 3000 series?.
I would get a stradic for that. More heavy duty. While you can use a vanford for it, it is designed for more for finesse fishing. The stradic will feel so much better and probably be better in the long run for heavier uses.
I would never use the Vanford for surf fishing, not even the 4000 or 5000. I hooked into some 7-8 lbs wiper earlier this year on the Vanquish (UL rod). After that the Vanquish has not been doing well. I have yet got the time to take it apart but likely gear problem or one-way clutch problem...Vanford is the same MGL series. These MGL spinning reels feature light weight rotor for easy start/stop of the rotor to satiate super finesse presentations. Stradic or Twinpower will be a better fitted option like Torment6369 mentioned.
@@BassniperEng oh wow so vanquish and vanford no go only for light 👍, I might then get 2024 twin power.
This is one reel I don’t like vanquished or daiwa exist or daiwa Luvias airity lt or the Stella I thinking about getting the twinpower
mine 24 dawia cretate 2500 xsh starting make that noise after about 3 month of used
Beware! I have three of these. Main gear went out on the 3000 in under a year, covered under warranty. My 2500 just started doing the same thing two months out of warranty. Sounds and feels like the same issue. Crappy main gears. These reels are $500+!
Mindenképpen Twinpower ill Stella!
The twenty twenyfo vanfo 😂😂😂
Mine sounds terrible 4th cast
Ive seen a lot of grease on a JDM tackle shop. Main gear, slip disc or roller bearings can get a service 😮😬🤔🇯🇵🎣🎣.
Oh yeah they have grease/oil dedicated for virtually every part of the reels lol
My first gen Vanford wasn't perfect. Significant "vertical" play for spool axle. Included fine adjustment spacers plain ridiculous. Otherwise doing fine. Just not for the price.
Got my 24 Vanford hoping for all probable issues ironed out in second gen. Has some sort of slight rattling noise/feel right out of the box which wasn't there in the first one. Plus the axle play. Not entertained.
I have three with no issues. I use braid though.
I dont think the Vanford is a hard fighting reel its for smaller fish only .
i Have about 5 new reels i have not even used yet but already I am getting heavier reel replacements i made some cheap choices that are not built strong for all types of fishing but i learn my mistake and stop listening to other people.
Daiwa>
Stradic or Vanford. Same sheeeet under different name.stay away from this reel.
LOL I have both and IMO Stradic is fine. But I have to admit, I hope Shimano does not go the way Toyota is going...
@@BassniperEng shitmano has been going backwards for years
Just buy daiwa..
Had problems with Daiwa that is why I made the switch to shimano, Haven't had any problems with the vanford yet
Two $500+ Certates with blown main gears. never again. Back to Shimano.
@@donhardy456😂😂😂
Same story for Daiwa and also Shimano. It's important to get a good reel out of the box. Many are assembled like sht, no matter if made in
JAPAN or MALAYSIA/CHINA. Reels to avoid for me include 24 Certate, 23 Stradic FM, 23 Vanquish and 20 Luvias LT. Reels to buy include Stella FK, Airity 23 and so on.