So is literally any other plant. Many plants don’t even have any puns for names and simply share the same name as their origin plant. Examples like Sunflower, wallnut, garlic, Jalapeño, Snow Pea, Squash, Lily Pad, Starfruit
@@iam4026 Sunflower is a pun in the sense that it's a flower that produces sun Squash is a squash that squashes zombies And you're just outright incorrect on the wallnut one, it is a pun, the name of the irl plant is walnut, it's a walnut that is a wall
@@azurabbit12 peanut is also a joke that only works in a context of pvz. the sun in sunflower is still interpreted as the object in the sky. the wal in walnut is phonetically the same as the word that you interpret as a defensive structure. pea does not mean projectile in real life. it only means that in pvz. i respect it though. it is a funny game specific joke.
idk my parents are divorsed so i actually have to choose if i want to be with my dad or my mom but i guess if i choosed both it would be worse than only being with one
To be fair, that's just game balance in general. Not saying that Peanut isn't poorly balanced, but generally if things have stats in a type of strategy game, there are only so many variables you can add or adjust before they just become the same. Generally, a character class who can do both of something isn't going to do it as well as a class that specialize in something.
@@TrueLadyEvilChan makes sense the problem is really poor execution while is expected to not perform as good as other damaging plants the fact is based on the peashooter makes this a huge issue because at that point in the game you will be using stonger plants like treepeater+ plantorch or akii/melonpult which would perform greatly if it wasnt by the jester and you get better walls at that point like tall nut and i cant think of any other one lol
I found it funny how he mentions that peanut was supposed to be a counter to jester zombie, but it's actually probably one of the worst options because peanut just gives him more projectiles to deflect and only delays the inevitable instead of dealing damage (wow, almost like there are better wall plant options in that scenario?). Endurian is a much more effective counter since his attack is not projectile based meaning he can counter jester zombie pretty well. As long as the attacking plants behind it are laser bean or fume shroom, or something else jester can't deflect.
I will always find it hilarious that popcap decided to show off PeaNut in middle ages, where the "Pea" part gets hard-countered by jesters, and the "Nut" part gets hard countered by wizards.
@@ditto-w I think the idea with garlic is to move breakdancer zombie to the other lane, so he won't push the zombies forward. Well the problem is that, most of the time other lane will have zombies as well. So it just end up useless
@@kang2448 Another problem with that idea is that breakdancer zombies will usually spawn slighly behind another zombie which will eat the garlic first, which leaves you with a 50% chance of the problem just getting pushed onto another lane instead of actually getting solved.
Not only that, but when peanut’s health goes down, his fire rate also halves to the same rate as the catapults while still dealing a pea’s worth of damage
You know what's the worst part, the peanut seed is a premium plant on dark ages, where jesters everywhere so it's practically useless besides you got fumeshroom
Everything in the world is a problem for it. Kings which give and repair knight helmets, meaning the damage that the peanut will be dealing is USELESS. Graves, the peanut shoots a straight projectile, it's just gonna be a more expensive wallnut most of the time. Wizard zombies No natural sun production and potions, which buffs zombies, exist in that world.
It's a shame because if they had made Jester so that it moves SLOWER while reflecting projectiles not faster, then Peanut would be a very useful plant in that world, allowing you to slow down Jesters while blocking their projectiles at the same time
I just never bothered with walls. More damage all the time. If I needed a "wall," I'd fodder some cheap plants on a lower CD or cost. If there was a dangerous enough enemy, I probably had a nuke available for it since my main line-up is usually some 4~5 plants
You know what, for all its flaws, this plant was very clearly made simply because of the "Pea Nut" joke and honestly, he's perfect the way he is. He's like a pug. Barely functioning and don't live for that long but cute in its own way
Endurian is far better executed imo Edit: This was before I finished the video so It show how good Endurian is, I mean It lacks any counter that PeaNut could have like Jester or Shield . Also he saved me more than once in Eclise
Instead of being the worst of both plants, it could be mixed with a slighty better version, have both mouths shoot at the same time to be more like a repeater while keeping the firing speed, so when it loses a head its still a better peashooter. And be as tall as a tallnut to stop fliers, unless you lose that head
Role compression is hard as they tried to create a perfectly balance plant back then. Now, role compression are basically used to create, new, op plants (Pokra, Headbutter, Draftodil)
role compression is a hard thing to balance. If you make it better than the single choice, those become redundant. If you make them weaker, it's preferable to use the individual picks instead if possible. The niche that role compression excels in is if the resource saved by taking the compressed version is very valuable, and the traded power isn't significant enough to make it unviable.
The closest thing Pea-Nut has to a niche is being a plant that occupies the back column in levels with backwards-moving zombies (Prospector, Pterodactyl). Pea-Nut can accomplish things from its position at the back while not needing to be replaced constantly as backwards zombies take bites out of it.
@@cheesymeatball174 Which would have been killer in the first game. Can you imagine something like this dealing with pole-vaulters, dolphin riders and ladders?
Pea-Nut was initial my favorites plant because I absolutely loved the name and design. But, as I've gotten better at the game, I've come to find much better alternatives.
Proposal for Pea-Nut fix: - The farther back it is, the larger the peas it shoots are (to signify dealing more damage when farther back; similar to Red Stinger) - The farther forward it is, the higher toughness it is (also similar to Red Stinger) - Kiwibeast "at half toughness->damage twice as fast" - Cut it down to 100 sun
I'm still using pea-nut today, not because of how i adore him, it's just he's really good when paired with torchwood and reinforce-mint but barely anyone uses that combo.
Man I've had this idea for a roguelike pvz concept where plant choice and low seed slots are quite important, even then Peanut wouldn't work that well :(
@@SporianSummit YES YES very much like that! The main mechanic was going to be its multiplayer aspect of grabbing a party of friends to try and get through making choices and getting new plants, there was also going to be a cross pollination mechanic letting you "fuse" two plants into one costing the plants but making a more powerful plant :)
Sadly, no. At best, that turns it into Red Stinger v2.0 where everyone uses it for its DPS and its weaksauce walling capabilities are ignored altogether.
I'd say doing the reverse would be more interesting, power from desperation type of thing you could build around in the risk vs reward sense. But with plantfood healing whatever you use it on, then you're punishing the player for using a primary game mechanic.
@@XperimentorEES Punishing the player for using a primary mechanic is great, it introduces strategy into the mix and makes the gameplay more varied and interesting. A great idea, really.
I’ve found one niche where peanut is ever so slightly optimized. 3rd row from the house when there are gargantaurs, to handle flung imps, and far left row to counter prospector zed or pterodactyl drops. Are there better options? Sure, but not many that don’t eat more slots, or have a wind up, or even need a bit of leveling.
I actually like Peanut because its design being versatile is actually very good in dealing against unexpected situation like quick save against 2 imp at final columm, tanky enough to be a secondary attacker/protector in columm 3 against imp throwing, parachute drop, low tide... not to mention some ability to anti-rush if used as an main attacker
For me Peanut is actually not too bad, i think that Popcap was going for a base defender that will also act as a support damager, you want to place him in the back so he can use his shooting but if the zombies break through your defence you get a wall which can tank a bit so you can get more sun or even kill the zombies attacking it, for a buff i think that instead of shooting 2x slower when eaten, the lower Peanut gets mad and shoots 2x faster than the original Peanut, i think it would make him a more viable base defender
yeah sadly any peashooter is heavily punished by the jester and the mage as peas cant penetrate to kill the mage and get reflected by jesters leaving you in a "RECHARGE GODDAM BOMB" situation because you can easily defend the horde of zombies with tons of sunsrooms and, mag grass and sun beam (yes i was insane enough to do that)
Even then, you'll be using two wall plants, both high (or low if you're primal WN) cool down, but Pea nut is just a slightly faster PS, not even out dps'ing repeater. For the high cd and mid dps of pea nut and damage, it just isn't worth it
@@titaniumsheld1935 not nearly enough for those moments and if i had a plantfood efect id use it to stall the whole map with the lettuce or use the heavy damage from a catapult power
When I first played pvz2 I thought it was the best plant and desperatly wanted to have it, but couldn't, cause I played on my uncles tablet. 'Every lane just walls, but instead of spike weed it had the equivalent of an MG peashooter" was my train of thought.
I actually quite like the concept of this kind of mixed plant, it's a cool design concept and makes for an interesting challenge where you want to make sure it's not strictly better than its derivative plants, but also want it to be good enough to actually be useful as a slot merger. The shotgun idea sounds excellent, and encourages it to be used where you'd normally have walls, so I definitely like that idea for improving Peanut. I had a second idea though, and this one would involve keeping the firepower reduction at half health: what if getting to that point added thorns damage like Endurian? After all, peanut shells can be really spiky when broken, and converting the damage like this preserves the idea of Peanut changing drastically through health states while also keeping the damage values similar across the board, instead of a severe damage reduction.
Problem is, the inherent roles of Peashooter and walnut conflict each other. Peashooter is meant to be a long range plant, and can’t do well in short range due to his low health. Wall nut does his job well at close range due to high health. By combining them together, you get a plant that forces close range engagement but also reduces firepower when health goes down
pea-nut's main use is actually in penny's pursuit, where about 20 of them will be set up and then the usage of reinforce-mint means that the field is being hit with the equivalent of 20 peashooter plant food boosts, and combined with blover it can be beaten easily
Peanut is a good counter in Wild West, Lost City, and Pirate Seas. I think it’s kinda like a reworked split pea in the way that it can deal with zombies that show up behind the line of defence well, especially if they land on it
My idea on how to buff it is a bit of a big rework, I want Peanut to take two spaces at the same time, that way it can protect two spots really fast, and just like regular gameplay, you can lose half of the peanut but that won't be that much of a problem since it is not losing half it's fire power, and also makes an interesting dynamic were if you want to place something in it's place for a single lane then you have to disprotect the other lane. I love the concept, it was the first gemium plant I ever bought, then regretted it because Peanut, so I want the concept to have a better excecution.
I've seen role compression before in other games, especially RTS games like StarCraft II, where the Thor fails at being anti-air due to it's terrible speed, or the Void Ray, which is too good and versatile.
I thought up of a rework for how peanut works, and it involves two changes: - Peanut deals more damage the closer a zombie gets to it. This would make it more viable to place on the frontlines, as it can dispose of zombies with high health without being on life support by the time it’s defeated. It also makes you think about wether or not Peanut would be more effective in the front or middle of the lawn in a level. - Tapping on Peanut would cause the upper half to change direction and fire from the back, and the damage increases the farther a zombie gets to the lawn. This would make it a counter against zombies that can slip past its defenses (like if they’re carried by a dinosaur) while still being able to deal decent damage to zombies in the front
What always annoyed me about peanut is that he has two months but shoots from one at a time. Why not just make him shoot 2 peas at once like a repeater? It would easily solve his none existant damage problem.
I honestly don't think that Pea-Nut is SUPPOSED to be role compression, or at least it isn't deliberately. It's simply two iconic and classic plants merged together as a fun joke. At least that's what I think. That said it's still not fun to use because it clashes with itself so hard lol
There are uses for it. It's just... not optimal in most cases, or you just have so many options anyway that you don't really care to use Peanut where it has potential anyway. When I still played, I used to spam the chain lightning plant along with the onion panel for massive lightning storm swarms, and that generally covered most scenarios back in the day
Peanut is kinda like the beta red stinger. Can be placed in both the front for defense as well as the back for offense. It’s not the best in either but combines both to save space. Because it adapts based on where it is on the lawn, it makes it far more viable for that niche. If peanut’s fire rate was better justifying why you’d have it in the back but worsens when taking damage as a defensive plant, I could see what they were going for. But like I said, red stinger fills that role.
i love peanut he's legit perfectly executed in terms of goofiness but he's unironically a great plant uses first of all he's good for putting in lanes where gargs throw there imps after all he is a tank and your likely not getting your hands on pumpkin till you finish the main game also another thing is that he cost gems and you can get him fairly early meaning that he's the lowest recharge for a wall for a good while until drastic marsh. Also his plant food is pretty good, basically giving you a free new peanut along with killing almost anything that's currently eating him. Now as for his weak damage it's better then nothing plus he's technically one of the cheapest straight shooters in the game at only 150 sun. now that may not sound like much of a benefit since the sun is so easy to get but that means combined with his decent recharge for a wall and semi low cost you can easily spam him and unlike durian the more peanuts you spam the more damage you get. sure peanut has no spot he wants to be at but he has no spots he DOSEN'T want to be at either plus he's pretty good for octo zombies sense if you have a peanut behind another peanut. peanut should not be used at a wall or a straight shooter he should be used like a more offensive inf nut because just like him he's not good on his own but benefits from numbers and peanut self synergizes with himself because he gives the other peanuts behind him more time to shoot down the zombies and the time you have a bunch of peanuts down your whole lawn is filled with expandable walls that act as slightly stronger peashooters. Also the issue with peashooters is that they take up space better used by stronger plants but peanut takes up space that is normally bad for straight shooters but peanut is bulky enough and cheap enough to be able to be placed near the front lines. Peanut is neither a wall or a peashooter but rather he's a slightly stronger peashooter most of the time with the hp of a walnut. Now the thing is dark ages SCREWS over peanut in so many ways from jesters and wizards but the world gimmick itself makes peanut spam harder. but he can work wonders in places like lost city where he can be placed on sun tiles while not risking any important plants and also if he's pushed forward by Excavator it doesn't matter. yes peanut is a failure when used as role compression but he is unironically good if your using him like you would use something like lighting reed or inf nut and to be honest peanut is just a better reed sense spamming him not only gives you more attack power but more defense incase peanuts damage wasn't enough but at that point the zombie is likely strong enough to warrant the wall part useful sense special's meant to counter walls get shut down by even low damage most of the time and even if they die you can just replace them. Overall, peanut is a good plant and reworking him to be a close range plant will just ruin his whole thing no matter where he's placed he's doing something.
The way I would fix Peanut, is just completly remaking the plant The Peanut Fighter Its a mele wall plant 200 sun cost 4000 hitpoints 10 seconds Recharge 20 Damage 0.8 Firerate Close range Special ability: If peanut fighter drops under half hitpoints, its firerate is increased to 0.6 and damage is increased to 30 This would make it a much better plant, making you want to place it infront to get value from the hitpoints, while also getting value from the ability I increased the suncost because it would maybe be too op otherwise
I feel like if peanut got a buff to its health and/or blocked things from going over it like a tall nut does, it would be pretty useful as an actually-decent wall that just happens to also help out a bit with damage. Alternatively, with a slight boost to firing rate, it could be decent as a damage dealer that has enough toughness to hold the line as a final defender, until you can get something better back in, for in case a row gets overwhelmed by zombies.
A case of slot compression worth bringing up imo is the crocodile, since it looks like its trying to be a shooter that can be used as a mini lawnmower, but one aspect is worthless and the other has a niche so its only really used for one
I feel like Peanut was supposed to counter Knights as it can both stall and do damage to them, but Magnet shrooms do that better. Also Peanut gets countered by Jester and Wizard as they countered the peas and the nuts
9:58 Actually, I think it should be a last defense. Hear me out: this plant should be places in the first or second column, just so it can still defend, but it uses his attack potential most of the time.
I bet they felt real proud of themselves with peanut as a concept, and rightfully so. But even before all the powercreep when new worlds were being added, peashooters weren't the star standard for damage. Walnut was always good, but why would you spend more for a plant with basically the same usage? You won't use peanut for offense, that's all I'm saying.
shoutout to pea-nut in altverz because literally we got so burned by how awful pea-nut is that we didn't use it until the game literally forced us to do so, forcing us to learn they deliberately changed it into literally anything more impressive than "peashooter + wall-nut"
Can you talk about Boom Balloon Flower? I feel like that plant is too useless for me as it is too heavy on micromanagement compared to other plants lik Magnifying Grass, Coconut Cannon, Banana Launcher, etc. It's reload time is too quick for you to pay attention, unlike Magnifying Grass, while has no reload time, is actually fine since it is tap to activate. It is also annoying to use unlike Banana Launcher where its damage output is quite reliable while for this plant, you need to stack up balloons in one square to do decent damage. And oftentimes, those balloons explode too soon due to zombies coming in quick, or it just expires for not getting any of it. And just planting this expensive plant is a waste of either a seed slot and/or plant space. Waste of a seed slot because you could have used a better burst damage dealer, and wasted plant space because planting too many makes you too busy to use the plant, and waste a lot of space for dealing damage. Or just planting a few to mitigate that but you still have weaker lanes.
I think it could be used in levels where you are showered by imps landing in column 3, but thats really it. Decent at range, able to take a little nibble, and awkwardly in the back but still being munched.
Pea-nut isn't a good plant, but it's got a real funny gimmick I love to pull off. See, even if it's not in the same family, the dude still shoots peas, so Torchwood gives him a boost. Now factor in that the Reinforce-mint causes ALL Pea-nuts on the lawn to fire a barrage of shots like the plant food of peashooter and repeater. I use this to great effect when there's an abundance of plant food in the level.
Can you make a video talking about Kiwibeast? Ive watched many pvz2 essay video, and ive never seen any one of them talk about this plant. Its like this plant is forgotten, and i just remember it when you mentioned it in the video
One change that I remember seeing is to make thhe projectiles stun the zombie for a second. Allowing to deal a little more damage while not getting worn down as quickly.
Peanut could simply work as an inverted scaryshoom, the more closed the zombies are to them, the higher the shoot speed becomes. If you leave in the half of the live stage the speed up is permanent
here is an interesting peanut concept i had keep the sun cost and recharge but change the plants it fuses (from peashooter + wallnut to repeater + tallnut) change the pea firing rate to be like repeater (using both it's heads at the same time), change the health from 4000->6000 and make it so that it doesn't loses half of it's DPS from being at half health and wallah
Peanut is actually one of my favorite plants. It looks super cool, and also, it has one of my favorite strategies. Its mint makes all of them activate plant food at once, and it’s super satisfying
maybe use Peanut as a last-ditch fallback: you have your primary defenders (Tallnut) in front with 2ndary offenders (Toadstool), Peanuts behind that covering the primary offensive plants/shrooms in case of a breakthrough (plus reverse-firing plants/shrooms in very back)
Peanut being a shotgun imo made oeanut so much fun to use. Its a really smarr idea bc it solves the main issue with peanut, which is why would you out it in the front. The answer is bc shotguns do more damage upfront. And bc mods like using gargs more, i personally like having them on colomn 3 due to imps. Why is peanut in dark ages though
I think introducing a New special zombie which attacks from far would've the best solución, the perfect zombie to counter, protecting plants behind him and attacking that zombie, like an Archer or crossbower.
I think, peanut should get a higher cost reduction in leveling up, a cooldown reduction, and once it loses a head, its peas can penetrate 1 or 2 targets, now with reduced cost and time it can be used more as both pea and nut more simultaneously, and now you can chose between raw dps on 1 zombie by protecting the top head or weaker killing power but same dps by allowing it to be eaten.
Aside from shotgun plant, there's another way for it to work from my untrained eye that combines the roles even more. Make PeaNut shoot nuts, and have them deal slight knockback. Nothing major mind you, but now you compress the roles even more as your wall now actively bunches up zombies as it shoots them, trading delay in zombies hitting the front line for less than ideal wall health when they do get to the front line.
Personally i dont mind the peashooters firing rate getting halved, but it needs stats that wouldnt actively punish you for using it defensively. Id say make it fire twice like repeater and give it the same cost as repeater. You now have a repeater if you use it offensively, a peashooter with much more health or a wall that can attack enemies like endurian. His greatest strength would be his versitality
They aren't that bad. Walnut is useful up until at least the middle of wild west. Now as for peashooter yeah he's kinda useless sense the few uses he would get is replaced by cabbage pult do to graves
Pea-nut knows that some folks have an aversion to him. He tries to be sensitive to their concerns and give them the space they need. Still, he can't help but miss the good old days - back when he was the most popular nut around.
My idea to fix this plant was simple -> remove the half attack speed at half HP, and add a buff -> the more injured it get the faster it shoots ! With plant food giving Armor (so keep wounded but protect health) + make it shoot super fast for a few seconds. You're rewarded for putting it at a spot where it get damaged and tank, so it get better at damaging. High risk as reward play as well, quite cool.
*Peanut Buff ideas: (apart from the ones discussed in this video)* 1. When Peanut crosses from normal stage to degraded stage, create a 1000HP degraded peanut in next tile (of the same row). 2. Wizard Zombie, Octo Zombie, Hunter Zombie, etc. would miss Peanut in its degraded stage the first time they target it and miss 50% of the time afterwards. 3. Peanut shoots a burst of 15 peas when it crosses from normal stage to degraded stage. 4. Peanut never degrades to begin with. 5. At 2000HP degradation point, instead of losing one of its head, create a hole on top of peanut's head (which could look like Gumnut) which lets it lob peas along with shooting them. 6. If you have a peashooter and/or a wallnut in your seed slot composition, peanuts will (deal 20% more damage and/or have 20% extra health) and recharge quicker by 1 second for each. 7. Peanut deals extra damage to static objects like tents and gravestones. 8. Peanut now has 40 second recharge time and for each peanut played, its recharge time is cut down by a fourth. 9. Peanut costs 325 sun and subsequent peanuts cost 100 less sun. It eventually caps at 25 sun. 10. When played, Peanut creates a "Gargbot" in place of the healthiest special zombie. Gargbots have the same ability as Gargantuar Prime but are weaker; they have the health of a regular zombie and they bite instead. 11. Peanut costs 75 sun but suffers from 500 damage every 12 seconds. 12. Plant Fooded Peanut is now as tall as a Tall Nut and can't be pulled by Fishermen or pushed by Mecha-Football Zombies.
I've seen a similar video to this, and I'll say the same thing- peanut was meant to do a lot of things mediocrely. They can be used offensively and defensively, while most plants can only do one or the other. If Peanut could do both at the same level as the others then they would be pretty broken, especially since they don't even cost much (also they have a lot more synergies- and they're fun to use with reinforce-mint)
I think an interesting take on peanut would be to make it like a threepeater but it shoots 2 shots, alternating up and down (maybe unless the bottom of top of its 3 lanes are empty) getting rid of its half health rebuff and giving it a interesting gimmick.
Peanut exists ONLY because someone thought of the joke, and they couldn't resist the pun
So is literally any other plant. Many plants don’t even have any puns for names and simply share the same name as their origin plant. Examples like Sunflower, wallnut, garlic, Jalapeño, Snow Pea, Squash, Lily Pad, Starfruit
@@iam4026 Sunflower is a pun in the sense that it's a flower that produces sun
Squash is a squash that squashes zombies
And you're just outright incorrect on the wallnut one, it is a pun, the name of the irl plant is walnut, it's a walnut that is a wall
@@iam4026 cant forget Cattail!
Its a cat with a cattail tail
Or was made cuz every Mint category needs its mandatory pea plant. My favorite is Enforce-Mint's Snap Pea
@@azurabbit12 peanut is also a joke that only works in a context of pvz. the sun in sunflower is still interpreted as the object in the sky. the wal in walnut is phonetically the same as the word that you interpret as a defensive structure. pea does not mean projectile in real life. it only means that in pvz. i respect it though. it is a funny game specific joke.
Peanut is kinda like thought of celebrating Christmas with divorced parents. You don’t get 2 seperate christmases but more 2 halves of Christmas
idk
my parents are divorsed so i actually have to choose if i want to be with my dad or my mom
but i guess if i choosed both it would be worse than only being with one
To be fair, that's just game balance in general.
Not saying that Peanut isn't poorly balanced, but generally if things have stats in a type of strategy game, there are only so many variables you can add or adjust before they just become the same.
Generally, a character class who can do both of something isn't going to do it as well as a class that specialize in something.
@@TrueLadyEvilChan makes sense
the problem is really poor execution
while is expected to not perform as good as other damaging plants the fact is based on the peashooter makes this a huge issue
because at that point in the game you will be using stonger plants like treepeater+ plantorch or akii/melonpult which would perform greatly if it wasnt by the jester
and you get better walls at that point like
tall nut and i cant think of any other one lol
@@xxizcrilexlxx1505gum nut, infinut and endurian, which niche is similiar with peanut but better
@@hasanmuttaqin464 well gum nut is not really like a blend of an atacker and a wall
but rather an overall upgreade to ice letuce
I've always preferred Endurian. He may not be the strongest at either offence or defence by any means, but he absolutely craps on chickens and weasels
I agree
I found it funny how he mentions that peanut was supposed to be a counter to jester zombie, but it's actually probably one of the worst options because peanut just gives him more projectiles to deflect and only delays the inevitable instead of dealing damage (wow, almost like there are better wall plant options in that scenario?). Endurian is a much more effective counter since his attack is not projectile based meaning he can counter jester zombie pretty well. As long as the attacking plants behind it are laser bean or fume shroom, or something else jester can't deflect.
@@BonziBUDDY Yes, that was the reason he brought it up
Also endurian is cracked against newspapers, 1 endurian can fully kill a newspaper most of the time
Don't forget jesters too. Endurian is a good option against them
Isn't it weird that Peanut was introduced in Dark Ages, where 2 zombies (Jester and Wizard) counter peas and nuts?
Yep, along with Gravestones (a straight shooters nightmare), and Zombie Kings (which outarmor peas)
Peas are stored in the nuts
Now thats what i call a scam
@@skeletonking2501 nice
Also the fact knight zombie is spammed everywhere, making peanuts damage completely worthless
I will always find it hilarious that popcap decided to show off PeaNut in middle ages, where the "Pea" part gets hard-countered by jesters, and the "Nut" part gets hard countered by wizards.
well they also decided to put garlic in a world where every single special counters it
@@ditto-w I think the idea with garlic is to move breakdancer zombie to the other lane, so he won't push the zombies forward. Well the problem is that, most of the time other lane will have zombies as well. So it just end up useless
@@kang2448 Another problem with that idea is that breakdancer zombies will usually spawn slighly behind another zombie which will eat the garlic first, which leaves you with a 50% chance of the problem just getting pushed onto another lane instead of actually getting solved.
Not only that, but when peanut’s health goes down, his fire rate also halves to the same rate as the catapults while still dealing a pea’s worth of damage
@@kang2448 I think it's actually meant to synergize with Phat Beet
You know what's the worst part, the peanut seed is a premium plant on dark ages, where jesters everywhere so it's practically useless besides you got fumeshroom
Also wizards just transform it so the protective aspect of it is useless
Everything in the world is a problem for it. Kings which give and repair knight helmets, meaning the damage that the peanut will be dealing is USELESS.
Graves, the peanut shoots a straight projectile, it's just gonna be a more expensive wallnut most of the time.
Wizard zombies
No natural sun production and potions, which buffs zombies, exist in that world.
It's a shame because if they had made Jester so that it moves SLOWER while reflecting projectiles not faster, then Peanut would be a very useful plant in that world, allowing you to slow down Jesters while blocking their projectiles at the same time
Plus theres a lot graves wich makes peashooter like plants useless there
I just never bothered with walls. More damage all the time. If I needed a "wall," I'd fodder some cheap plants on a lower CD or cost. If there was a dangerous enough enemy, I probably had a nuke available for it since my main line-up is usually some 4~5 plants
You know what, for all its flaws, this plant was very clearly made simply because of the "Pea Nut" joke and honestly, he's perfect the way he is. He's like a pug. Barely functioning and don't live for that long but cute in its own way
Okay, but pugs do not deserve to live that way. Neither does pea-nut.
@@cornesalvo9366 There are at least 6 languages in the world and you chose to speak Truth
In other words: they should be be cleansed from the face of the earth.
@@chickencurry420 I'm not a linguistics expert or anything, but I think there's a lot more than just six.
@@RipRLeeErmey he wasn't technically wrong, he said _at least_ six
Peanut has a interesting concept just executed poorly. If there was like another mechanic then I like it
They should make it like a attacking primal walnut
Like snap pea
@@TheOfficialStardewCat That would be cool but of course not good as it
@@TheOfficialStardewCat If it at least was able to survive a one shot kill or recharge quickly it would be more viable
Endurian is far better executed imo
Edit: This was before I finished the video
so It show how good Endurian is, I mean It lacks any counter that PeaNut could have like Jester or Shield . Also he saved me more than once in Eclise
It'd be neat if Peanut actually did more damage when at low health, to encourage its usage as a defender.
Yeah. This change alone might fix it from a lol-level plant to a plant one might consider using.
Nah, that would make too much sense.
It makes no sense because in reality the Attack speed becomes even lower because the Nut loses the second head💀
@@nithraliabrawlstars6541 the other nut would panic so it would make sense
@@destroything even then its unrealistic if the lonly nut would triple its attack speed.
Instead of being the worst of both plants, it could be mixed with a slighty better version, have both mouths shoot at the same time to be more like a repeater while keeping the firing speed, so when it loses a head its still a better peashooter. And be as tall as a tallnut to stop fliers, unless you lose that head
For how much sun it costs, that better be worth it.
@@DinnerForkTongueit will be worth way more than 300 if that happens
@@user-cs1tp1ep9m Sun well spent.
So when it loses the top half, does it also lose the tallnut power?
@@andistansbury4366yes
If toadstool is like a spoon and a fork combined together, then peanut is like a chopstick and a fork combined together.
Porkshop
A Chork of you will
You mean a spnife?
Knife spoon
@@uwuowo214don't bring a spife to a knork fight
More like a toaster and a fork
Role compression is hard as they tried to create a perfectly balance plant back then.
Now, role compression are basically used to create, new, op plants (Pokra, Headbutter, Draftodil)
role compression is a hard thing to balance. If you make it better than the single choice, those become redundant. If you make them weaker, it's preferable to use the individual picks instead if possible. The niche that role compression excels in is if the resource saved by taking the compressed version is very valuable, and the traded power isn't significant enough to make it unviable.
The closest thing Pea-Nut has to a niche is being a plant that occupies the back column in levels with backwards-moving zombies (Prospector, Pterodactyl). Pea-Nut can accomplish things from its position at the back while not needing to be replaced constantly as backwards zombies take bites out of it.
this niche could be expanded on by making one of the nozzles face backwards, like an armoured split pea
@@cheesymeatball174 Which would have been killer in the first game. Can you imagine something like this dealing with pole-vaulters, dolphin riders and ladders?
@@cheesymeatball174 or it could swivel backwards!
Pea-Nut was initial my favorites plant because I absolutely loved the name and design.
But, as I've gotten better at the game, I've come to find much better alternatives.
Proposal for Pea-Nut fix:
- The farther back it is, the larger the peas it shoots are (to signify dealing more damage when farther back; similar to Red Stinger)
- The farther forward it is, the higher toughness it is (also similar to Red Stinger)
- Kiwibeast "at half toughness->damage twice as fast"
- Cut it down to 100 sun
@@JustAnotherJames3
* uses peanut just for its DPS (similar to Red Stinger) *
at that point just use red stinger (which is cooler and easier to get anyway)
I'm still using pea-nut today, not because of how i adore him, it's just he's really good when paired with torchwood and reinforce-mint but barely anyone uses that combo.
@@acake6654 Then you could make the defense go up exponentially making it a good defense too.
"Maybe some guy will do a challenge with peanut" Yes someone did
I am 1000% convinced they came up with the pun first and the stats later.
when making a character isn't creating the stats one of the last steps?
why are some of the best game design video essays on youtube about fucking PVZ of all games
Man I've had this idea for a roguelike pvz concept where plant choice and low seed slots are quite important, even then Peanut wouldn't work that well :(
Reminds me of that binding of isaac pvz fangame
aren't pvz2 already have that mode
@@ucnguyen6375 yes it has
but you dont need it
(like just get a repeater and any wall, you have the slots for that)
@@SporianSummit i.rule is peak
@@SporianSummit YES YES very much like that! The main mechanic was going to be its multiplayer aspect of grabbing a party of friends to try and get through making choices and getting new plants, there was also going to be a cross pollination mechanic letting you "fuse" two plants into one costing the plants but making a more powerful plant :)
0:26 lies I'm still alive you can't sto-
Would pea-nut be fixed if it just had repeater’s attack speed and switched to peashooter’s attack speed when half eaten?
Sadly, no. At best, that turns it into Red Stinger v2.0 where everyone uses it for its DPS and its weaksauce walling capabilities are ignored altogether.
I mean it would just be a better repeater most of the time because it’s cheaper and people will just put it in the back
before people told me, i was thinking that Peanut did that
I'd say doing the reverse would be more interesting, power from desperation type of thing you could build around in the risk vs reward sense. But with plantfood healing whatever you use it on, then you're punishing the player for using a primary game mechanic.
@@XperimentorEES Punishing the player for using a primary mechanic is great, it introduces strategy into the mix and makes the gameplay more varied and interesting. A great idea, really.
I’ve found one niche where peanut is ever so slightly optimized. 3rd row from the house when there are gargantaurs, to handle flung imps, and far left row to counter prospector zed or pterodactyl drops. Are there better options? Sure, but not many that don’t eat more slots, or have a wind up, or even need a bit of leveling.
They also get much MUCH better if you use the reinforcemint. It plant foods every peanut and buffs their damage for a while.
still, that doesn’t change the fact that Peanut is the cutest gemnium plant, so i’d recommend it 10/10 👍
What about Sapfling? Yeah it’s only available for like a month every year but it’s still a gemium technically.
Dont you dare forget about ghost pepper
I actually like Peanut because its design being versatile is actually very good in dealing against unexpected situation like quick save against 2 imp at final columm, tanky enough to be a secondary attacker/protector in columm 3 against imp throwing, parachute drop, low tide... not to mention some ability to anti-rush if used as an main attacker
ok the imp throwing situation is a great idea
For me Peanut is actually not too bad, i think that Popcap was going for a base defender that will also act as a support damager, you want to place him in the back so he can use his shooting but if the zombies break through your defence you get a wall which can tank a bit so you can get more sun or even kill the zombies attacking it, for a buff i think that instead of shooting 2x slower when eaten, the lower Peanut gets mad and shoots 2x faster than the original Peanut, i think it would make him a more viable base defender
yeah sadly any peashooter is heavily punished by the jester and the mage
as peas cant penetrate to kill the mage and get reflected by jesters
leaving you in a "RECHARGE GODDAM BOMB" situation
because you can easily defend the horde of zombies with tons of sunsrooms and, mag grass and sun beam
(yes i was insane enough to do that)
Even then, you'll be using two wall plants, both high (or low if you're primal WN) cool down, but Pea nut is just a slightly faster PS, not even out dps'ing repeater. For the high cd and mid dps of pea nut and damage, it just isn't worth it
@@xxizcrilexlxx1505 plant food instant recharge?
@@titaniumsheld1935 not nearly enough for those moments and if i had a plantfood efect id use it to stall the whole map with the lettuce or use the heavy damage from a catapult power
@@xxizcrilexlxx1505 im talking about cherry
1:49 BRO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO I AM
When I first played pvz2 I thought it was the best plant and desperatly wanted to have it, but couldn't, cause I played on my uncles tablet.
'Every lane just walls, but instead of spike weed it had the equivalent of an MG peashooter" was my train of thought.
I actually quite like the concept of this kind of mixed plant, it's a cool design concept and makes for an interesting challenge where you want to make sure it's not strictly better than its derivative plants, but also want it to be good enough to actually be useful as a slot merger. The shotgun idea sounds excellent, and encourages it to be used where you'd normally have walls, so I definitely like that idea for improving Peanut.
I had a second idea though, and this one would involve keeping the firepower reduction at half health: what if getting to that point added thorns damage like Endurian? After all, peanut shells can be really spiky when broken, and converting the damage like this preserves the idea of Peanut changing drastically through health states while also keeping the damage values similar across the board, instead of a severe damage reduction.
Problem is, the inherent roles of Peashooter and walnut conflict each other.
Peashooter is meant to be a long range plant, and can’t do well in short range due to his low health. Wall nut does his job well at close range due to high health.
By combining them together, you get a plant that forces close range engagement but also reduces firepower when health goes down
pea-nut's main use is actually in penny's pursuit, where about 20 of them will be set up and then the usage of reinforce-mint means that the field is being hit with the equivalent of 20 peashooter plant food boosts, and combined with blover it can be beaten easily
3 rows of nuts and 1 row of torchwood i clear everytime
The only use ive seen of peanut is in a nut only challenge.
Goblin man?
The only use for peanut revolves around reinforce mint which is just sad. It should get an extra pea or something to make it better like two peas
Peanut is a good counter in Wild West, Lost City, and Pirate Seas. I think it’s kinda like a reworked split pea in the way that it can deal with zombies that show up behind the line of defence well, especially if they land on it
Peanut might've been more useful if we had more zombie types that specifically attacks the back lane just like the first game.
My idea on how to buff it is a bit of a big rework, I want Peanut to take two spaces at the same time, that way it can protect two spots really fast, and just like regular gameplay, you can lose half of the peanut but that won't be that much of a problem since it is not losing half it's fire power, and also makes an interesting dynamic were if you want to place something in it's place for a single lane then you have to disprotect the other lane.
I love the concept, it was the first gemium plant I ever bought, then regretted it because Peanut, so I want the concept to have a better excecution.
15:57 Peanut Afton
16:06 how he knew?
"Is the ability to damage zombies better than stalling them out" endurian:
I've seen role compression before in other games, especially RTS games like StarCraft II, where the Thor fails at being anti-air due to it's terrible speed, or the Void Ray, which is too good and versatile.
Now you should do a video about why the red stinger is an amazing plant for beginners for how bad it’s special mechanics are
I thought up of a rework for how peanut works, and it involves two changes:
- Peanut deals more damage the closer a zombie gets to it. This would make it more viable to place on the frontlines, as it can dispose of zombies with high health without being on life support by the time it’s defeated. It also makes you think about wether or not Peanut would be more effective in the front or middle of the lawn in a level.
- Tapping on Peanut would cause the upper half to change direction and fire from the back, and the damage increases the farther a zombie gets to the lawn. This would make it a counter against zombies that can slip past its defenses (like if they’re carried by a dinosaur) while still being able to deal decent damage to zombies in the front
Came for the nuts
Stayed for the music
Doma Doma
Peanut sounds funny so you are factully wrong
You should seriously consider creating a tier list video of the plants, it would be very interesting and insightful to watch.
" PvZ1 Blover is worse than cactus and plantern"
Cactus: are you sure about that?
What always annoyed me about peanut is that he has two months but shoots from one at a time. Why not just make him shoot 2 peas at once like a repeater? It would easily solve his none existant damage problem.
ah yes classic case of trying to do 2 jobs and failling at both
I think Popcap just made Peanut as a joke and thought it was really funny and added it
I honestly don't think that Pea-Nut is SUPPOSED to be role compression, or at least it isn't deliberately. It's simply two iconic and classic plants merged together as a fun joke. At least that's what I think.
That said it's still not fun to use because it clashes with itself so hard lol
There are uses for it. It's just... not optimal in most cases, or you just have so many options anyway that you don't really care to use Peanut where it has potential anyway. When I still played, I used to spam the chain lightning plant along with the onion panel for massive lightning storm swarms, and that generally covered most scenarios back in the day
I cannot believe you did not mention SCP-173 in the beloved peanut section.
but, great video as always!
As a Peanut, I like this video
For buffing it, probably duplicate its damage output but heavily reduce its range would work
Peanut is kinda like the beta red stinger. Can be placed in both the front for defense as well as the back for offense. It’s not the best in either but combines both to save space. Because it adapts based on where it is on the lawn, it makes it far more viable for that niche. If peanut’s fire rate was better justifying why you’d have it in the back but worsens when taking damage as a defensive plant, I could see what they were going for. But like I said, red stinger fills that role.
Okay but the dude who's doing the nut only challenge loves this plant, so it must be good.
this is why we should use the ultimate plant, perfume shroom
Tomb tangler
*W H E N ?*
@@Rags666we could use him however his limitless power is restrainted
Perfume-shroom is free to run amok
What about Sun Bean?
@@dawipeach8948 too useful
i love peanut he's legit perfectly executed in terms of goofiness but he's unironically a great plant uses first of all he's good for putting in lanes where gargs throw there imps after all he is a tank and your likely not getting your hands on pumpkin till you finish the main game also another thing is that he cost gems and you can get him fairly early meaning that he's the lowest recharge for a wall for a good while until drastic marsh. Also his plant food is pretty good, basically giving you a free new peanut along with killing almost anything that's currently eating him. Now as for his weak damage it's better then nothing plus he's technically one of the cheapest straight shooters in the game at only 150 sun. now that may not sound like much of a benefit since the sun is so easy to get but that means combined with his decent recharge for a wall and semi low cost you can easily spam him and unlike durian the more peanuts you spam the more damage you get. sure peanut has no spot he wants to be at but he has no spots he DOSEN'T want to be at either plus he's pretty good for octo zombies sense if you have a peanut behind another peanut. peanut should not be used at a wall or a straight shooter he should be used like a more offensive inf nut because just like him he's not good on his own but benefits from numbers and peanut self synergizes with himself because he gives the other peanuts behind him more time to shoot down the zombies and the time you have a bunch of peanuts down your whole lawn is filled with expandable walls that act as slightly stronger peashooters. Also the issue with peashooters is that they take up space better used by stronger plants but peanut takes up space that is normally bad for straight shooters but peanut is bulky enough and cheap enough to be able to be placed near the front lines. Peanut is neither a wall or a peashooter but rather he's a slightly stronger peashooter most of the time with the hp of a walnut. Now the thing is dark ages SCREWS over peanut in so many ways from jesters and wizards but the world gimmick itself makes peanut spam harder. but he can work wonders in places like lost city where he can be placed on sun tiles while not risking any important plants and also if he's pushed forward by Excavator it doesn't matter. yes peanut is a failure when used as role compression but he is unironically good if your using him like you would use something like lighting reed or inf nut and to be honest peanut is just a better reed sense spamming him not only gives you more attack power but more defense incase peanuts damage wasn't enough but at that point the zombie is likely strong enough to warrant the wall part useful sense special's meant to counter walls get shut down by even low damage most of the time and even if they die you can just replace them. Overall, peanut is a good plant and reworking him to be a close range plant will just ruin his whole thing no matter where he's placed he's doing something.
The way I would fix Peanut, is just completly remaking the plant
The Peanut Fighter
Its a mele wall plant
200 sun cost
4000 hitpoints
10 seconds Recharge
20 Damage
0.8 Firerate
Close range
Special ability: If peanut fighter drops under half hitpoints, its firerate is increased to 0.6 and damage is increased to 30
This would make it a much better plant, making you want to place it infront to get value from the hitpoints, while also getting value from the ability
I increased the suncost because it would maybe be too op otherwise
But that ruins the goofy pun of PEAnut
I feel like if peanut got a buff to its health and/or blocked things from going over it like a tall nut does, it would be pretty useful as an actually-decent wall that just happens to also help out a bit with damage.
Alternatively, with a slight boost to firing rate, it could be decent as a damage dealer that has enough toughness to hold the line as a final defender, until you can get something better back in, for in case a row gets overwhelmed by zombies.
I always wanted to get peanut to work, they looked so fun. But it wasn't meant to be...
You saying “Dark Ages part 2” made me realize that I’m freaking old.
A case of slot compression worth bringing up imo is the crocodile, since it looks like its trying to be a shooter that can be used as a mini lawnmower, but one aspect is worthless and the other has a niche so its only really used for one
5:38 I was genuinely not expecting a Kingdom Rush reference in this video, but im happy to see it!
I feel like Peanut was supposed to counter Knights as it can both stall and do damage to them, but Magnet shrooms do that better. Also Peanut gets countered by Jester and Wizard as they countered the peas and the nuts
9:58 Actually, I think it should be a last defense. Hear me out: this plant should be places in the first or second column, just so it can still defend, but it uses his attack potential most of the time.
I bet they felt real proud of themselves with peanut as a concept, and rightfully so. But even before all the powercreep when new worlds were being added, peashooters weren't the star standard for damage. Walnut was always good, but why would you spend more for a plant with basically the same usage? You won't use peanut for offense, that's all I'm saying.
shoutout to pea-nut in altverz because literally we got so burned by how awful pea-nut is that we didn't use it until the game literally forced us to do so, forcing us to learn they deliberately changed it into literally anything more impressive than "peashooter + wall-nut"
Can you talk about Boom Balloon Flower?
I feel like that plant is too useless for me as it is too heavy on micromanagement compared to other plants lik Magnifying Grass, Coconut Cannon, Banana Launcher, etc.
It's reload time is too quick for you to pay attention, unlike Magnifying Grass, while has no reload time, is actually fine since it is tap to activate.
It is also annoying to use unlike Banana Launcher where its damage output is quite reliable while for this plant, you need to stack up balloons in one square to do decent damage. And oftentimes, those balloons explode too soon due to zombies coming in quick, or it just expires for not getting any of it.
And just planting this expensive plant is a waste of either a seed slot and/or plant space.
Waste of a seed slot because you could have used a better burst damage dealer, and wasted plant space because planting too many makes you too busy to use the plant, and waste a lot of space for dealing damage. Or just planting a few to mitigate that but you still have weaker lanes.
I think it could be used in levels where you are showered by imps landing in column 3, but thats really it. Decent at range, able to take a little nibble, and awkwardly in the back but still being munched.
I wonder what drugs creeps consumed while making the intro
too much
Pea-nut isn't a good plant, but it's got a real funny gimmick I love to pull off. See, even if it's not in the same family, the dude still shoots peas, so Torchwood gives him a boost. Now factor in that the Reinforce-mint causes ALL Pea-nuts on the lawn to fire a barrage of shots like the plant food of peashooter and repeater. I use this to great effect when there's an abundance of plant food in the level.
Can you make a video talking about Kiwibeast? Ive watched many pvz2 essay video, and ive never seen any one of them talk about this plant. Its like this plant is forgotten, and i just remember it when you mentioned it in the video
Gotta love the video quality going up every video, keep it up man
One change that I remember seeing is to make thhe projectiles stun the zombie for a second. Allowing to deal a little more damage while not getting worn down as quickly.
Like corn in pvz one?
@@FluffyEclairs Yeah, his niche is quite valuable.
Peanut could simply work as an inverted scaryshoom, the more closed the zombies are to them, the higher the shoot speed becomes.
If you leave in the half of the live stage the speed up is permanent
peanut in vanilla is a fever dream
The intro joke reminded me very much of the kind of stories Reviewbrah makes, lmao. Love it.
here is an interesting peanut concept i had
keep the sun cost and recharge but change the plants it fuses (from peashooter + wallnut to repeater + tallnut)
change the pea firing rate to be like repeater (using both it's heads at the same time), change the health from 4000->6000 and make it so that it doesn't loses half of it's DPS from being at half health and wallah
He was my first gemium plant, I was like 10 and looked, he attack, he protec, he must be good as heck
Peanut is actually one of my favorite plants. It looks super cool, and also, it has one of my favorite strategies. Its mint makes all of them activate plant food at once, and it’s super satisfying
maybe use Peanut as a last-ditch fallback: you have your primary defenders (Tallnut) in front with 2ndary offenders (Toadstool), Peanuts behind that covering the primary offensive plants/shrooms in case of a breakthrough (plus reverse-firing plants/shrooms in very back)
Peanut being a shotgun imo made oeanut so much fun to use. Its a really smarr idea bc it solves the main issue with peanut, which is why would you out it in the front. The answer is bc shotguns do more damage upfront. And bc mods like using gargs more, i personally like having them on colomn 3 due to imps. Why is peanut in dark ages though
I think introducing a New special zombie which attacks from far would've the best solución, the perfect zombie to counter, protecting plants behind him and attacking that zombie, like an Archer or crossbower.
I think, peanut should get a higher cost reduction in leveling up, a cooldown reduction, and once it loses a head, its peas can penetrate 1 or 2 targets, now with reduced cost and time it can be used more as both pea and nut more simultaneously, and now you can chose between raw dps on 1 zombie by protecting the top head or weaker killing power but same dps by allowing it to be eaten.
Aside from shotgun plant, there's another way for it to work from my untrained eye that combines the roles even more.
Make PeaNut shoot nuts, and have them deal slight knockback. Nothing major mind you, but now you compress the roles even more as your wall now actively bunches up zombies as it shoots them, trading delay in zombies hitting the front line for less than ideal wall health when they do get to the front line.
Personally i dont mind the peashooters firing rate getting halved, but it needs stats that wouldnt actively punish you for using it defensively. Id say make it fire twice like repeater and give it the same cost as repeater. You now have a repeater if you use it offensively, a peashooter with much more health or a wall that can attack enemies like endurian. His greatest strength would be his versitality
Peanut should start standup comedy
Ew I'm allergic to premium plants.
Idea for what peanut could do: not lose half its dps when it’s below half and deal more damage the closer the zombies are
I love Peanut's design and wished it worked well. Maybe I'll use it regardless of usefulness
The peanut is a good idea on paper really. A peashooter with the health of a wallnut? Im sold
But in game? Not so much
Short version of this video
PEANUT COMBINES ROLE OF PEASHOOTER AND WALNUT.
TWO OF THE WORST PLANTS IN THE GAME.
GO FIGURE
They aren't that bad. Walnut is useful up until at least the middle of wild west. Now as for peashooter yeah he's kinda useless sense the few uses he would get is replaced by cabbage pult do to graves
Pea-nut knows that some folks have an aversion to him. He tries to be sensitive to their concerns and give them the space they need. Still, he can't help but miss the good old days - back when he was the most popular nut around.
Poor Peanut.
It's a cool looking Plant and it's got a nice concept, but in practice it's a flop.
Put it in the middle (A compromise between both) or in the back as a emergency barrier
My idea to fix this plant was simple -> remove the half attack speed at half HP, and add a buff -> the more injured it get the faster it shoots ! With plant food giving Armor (so keep wounded but protect health) + make it shoot super fast for a few seconds. You're rewarded for putting it at a spot where it get damaged and tank, so it get better at damaging. High risk as reward play as well, quite cool.
I had my friend guess what the compo of peashooter and wall nut, he guessed "nut shooter"
Peanut is an equivalent to jack of two traits but the master of none.
creeps has just taught me sporks weren't just haha funny fork spoons I'm so glad I've watched this
*Peanut Buff ideas: (apart from the ones discussed in this video)*
1. When Peanut crosses from normal stage to degraded stage, create a 1000HP degraded peanut in next tile (of the same row).
2. Wizard Zombie, Octo Zombie, Hunter Zombie, etc. would miss Peanut in its degraded stage the first time they target it and miss 50% of the time afterwards.
3. Peanut shoots a burst of 15 peas when it crosses from normal stage to degraded stage.
4. Peanut never degrades to begin with.
5. At 2000HP degradation point, instead of losing one of its head, create a hole on top of peanut's head (which could look like Gumnut) which lets it lob peas along with shooting them.
6. If you have a peashooter and/or a wallnut in your seed slot composition, peanuts will (deal 20% more damage and/or have 20% extra health) and recharge quicker by 1 second for each.
7. Peanut deals extra damage to static objects like tents and gravestones.
8. Peanut now has 40 second recharge time and for each peanut played, its recharge time is cut down by a fourth.
9. Peanut costs 325 sun and subsequent peanuts cost 100 less sun. It eventually caps at 25 sun.
10. When played, Peanut creates a "Gargbot" in place of the healthiest special zombie. Gargbots have the same ability as Gargantuar Prime but are weaker; they have the health of a regular zombie and they bite instead.
11. Peanut costs 75 sun but suffers from 500 damage every 12 seconds.
12. Plant Fooded Peanut is now as tall as a Tall Nut and can't be pulled by Fishermen or pushed by Mecha-Football Zombies.
I've seen a similar video to this, and I'll say the same thing- peanut was meant to do a lot of things mediocrely. They can be used offensively and defensively, while most plants can only do one or the other. If Peanut could do both at the same level as the others then they would be pretty broken, especially since they don't even cost much (also they have a lot more synergies- and they're fun to use with reinforce-mint)
I like to think that Peanut was just made as a joke
I think an interesting take on peanut would be to make it like a threepeater but it shoots 2 shots, alternating up and down (maybe unless the bottom of top of its 3 lanes are empty) getting rid of its half health rebuff and giving it a interesting gimmick.
*debuff