Scott really teased FNAF 4 by having the four animatronics saying "was it me?", teased a bite would be involved, actually had a kid's head bit during the game by an animatronic associated with 1987... just to have that not be the Bite of '87 that decision still baffles me to this day
And people still think thers only one retcon. Its amazing that people could think this after everything we've seen be set up and not followed threw with. (Cough cough 2 vanessas in Security Breach cough cough)
@@j.r.tomlin4265 >2 vanessas in Security Breach Assuming there even is... Especially when said game literally involves a single Vanessa running off suddenly, then reappearing as Vanny. And aside from that one non-canon Ending, there being exactly 0 evidence of this being a thing. Also the problem is: This does not fit the Bite of 87 at all. The Victim *dies* in 4 (if the flatlining wasnt clue enough), yet the Victim mentioned in 1 survived. Maybe it WAS the bite of 87 early on, but it's clear that Scott changed his mind. Probably because it wouldnt make sense do make a Bite of 87 game.
@@j.r.tomlin4265he hinted at it not being the bite prior to the game releasing, iirc one of the hidden messages on the website changed to say 1983. That’s not a retcon, it’s just a fake out
This is one of the things that pisses me of the most. Scott cleary made a lot more retcons that he probably didn't even get it. FNAF 4 bite was CLEARLY made to be the bite of 87, but noooooo, let's not do that and now there is a second bite that was also on the head, also didn't kill the victim right away and was not mentioned by phone guy on FNAF 1. This will not mess with the lore, of course.
FNAF1 being only solvable by future content that didn't exist at release, does mean there's no way for us to really "solve" it at time of release. And some part of me really believes that Scott is ignoring holes because theorists try to fill them instead. Which makes engagement, content, and theory-crafting which is the backbone of the franchise really.
I think it's actually not that hard. What happened, in my opinion, was that the comunity discovered that everything until FNAF 4 was all a dream and it didn't left us happy. Sometimes in order to profit more on their creations, or even simply bc the creator is too narcisistical to admit defeat, the creators can go through multiple paths that can ultimately destroy their own stories. And that was exactly what happened with FNAF 4, Scott wanted to be smart and he understood that FNAF's fandom would took anything he created as a hint for a bigger story. So when he did FNAF 4 to outsmart everyone, but was quickly discovered by the comunity he panicked. In order to stay relevant or to simply to get more money from the franchise he decided on staying doing games and Sister Location born. Since then the story was retconed and became that mess. It's not that FNAF 1 to 4 were unsolvable, they were in fact solved, but Scott's ego could never accepted defeat. For me this would explain why since SB the franchise's horror aspect seemed to drop in quality, the bigest example of that drop was the fact we started to introduce and name characters. Till now the only people named were the night guards. Purple guy and phone guy were just that, a guy that hides in the shadows and therefore is purple and a guy who speaks with you through the phone. This lack of specificity made the story really tragic and scaring because it was something that could happen with any poor innocent child, and unfortunately was what happened with those 5 inocent souls. I mean, you're not technically wrong since Scott retconed the whole story just to make the whole Afton's plot fit. So technically speaking you're right to think it's kinda stupid try to solve fnaf (Specially fnaf 1 back then) if it was impossible due to the lack of clues, but I think FNAF 1 was solveable and was solved, but it's technically retconed due to all the Afton shenanigans.
>FNAF1 being only solvable by future content that didn't exist at release, does mean there's no way for us to really "solve" it at time of release. It's perfectly solvable, it's just more of something to enable the gameplay rather than being part of a Greater Storyline. There was killer who lured 5 kids into a backroom while the place was open, and stuffed them in the Suits. The children went on to possess the suits, but their bodies were never found by authorities. They're now Haunted as Hell and Hostile.
@@AddCulture >So when he did FNAF 4 to outsmart everyone, but was quickly discovered by the comunity he panicked. More likely, he wanted to "wrap up the story". Tying everything to FNAF 4 as a Dream would solve all the strange loose bits as "weird dream shit" and such. It's more the fact that: People hated the IDEA of this being another "just a dream" where nothing happened/mattered. Scott realized this was a godawful place to end the series on, and tried to backpedal, which made FNAF 4 a whole lot messier in a sense. >It's not that FNAF 1 to 4 were unsolvable, they were in fact solved, but Scott's ego could never accepted defeat. More accurately: 1 was meant to stand alone, but people wanted More, so he made 2 and 3. 3 was a disappointment with how lame the main antagonist's attack was (and Scott DID leave a loose thread incase he ever wanted to continue it), so he was pressured to make 4, a PROPER Spooky Sendoff. Except that botched the Story aspect that people were into, so he was pressed to divert off that track (and this was likely where he decided "fuck it, no more endings, this makes too much of a mess") The next game proceeds to introduce a character that is NOT CC, and is most DEFINITELY real and not a dream, and said character is linked to the previous games as the Protagonist. etc etc >this would explain why since SB the franchise's horror aspect seemed to drop in quality In terms of JUST SB, sure definitely. Although i'd argue this is less by Design, and more a combination of: - Scott did not communicate enough - Steel Wool had to cut the latter 2/3rds of the story/buildup out. Surprisingly, cutting a story DRASTICALLY short hurts it. Take, for example: Star Wars, but skip most of Luke's journey, and just have him Throw Down with Palpatine in A New Hope and win. Just ends there, *no* Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi. >This lack of specificity made the story really tragic and scaring because it was something that could happen with any poor innocent child ...uhhh, sure? Except you specified FNAF SB, *not* 6 or SL in this case. >since Scott retconed the whole story Not a Retcon. We did not have a Motive, we did not have a Name, we didnt even have a Timeline aside from "there was an incident years ago with a Killer, and also a Bite of 87, and there's also now" As far as 3 goes, there's STILL not a Retcon, infact it was likely made with potential extension of said story in mind "Why would the Serial Killer be disassembling the Robots in FNAF 1's location?" >due to the lack of clues It told us everything it needed though??? >but it's technically retconed due to all the Afton shenanigans. Literally not at all true though. FNAF 1 is STILL more or less solved. Again, no Retcon.
@@caldercockatoo2234 if making millions by gaslighting your community to write your lore for you is stupid, goddamn i want to be stupidest man alive.
I like to think at this point Fazbear wasn’t being run by Afton and probably had some sketchy management who were protective of their fragile image, and PG would only tell us the least amount of info possible. Except for night 4, he might be just acting to not scare us or him
Until the week before i just assumed that with how long he’d been working with fazbear entertainment he had some kind of management status and was more afraid of what fazbear entertainment would do to him than what the animatronics would For example, in fnaf 6 if you find the blueprints they send you to a mental hospital after claiming you’re insane. And it wouldn’t be far fetched to assume if they found out he was telling people the animatronics had corpses in them they would throw every legal case at him possible. If the animatronics catch him he’s just dead, not living a completely destroyed life
a very specific thing about this video i admire-- the built in subtitles in full sentences is so refreshing, especially in a video thats so information-heavy. especially in an era where full, manually written subtitles are honestly rare-- and the prevalence of one-word-at-a-time subtitles common in short form content. this is delightful, thank you!
YES! I completely agree that Afton’s conviction was the “one” retcon. Having the serial killer be convicted made sense for the story and atmosphere of FNAF 1. It was a tragedy that got “resolved,” that the world was able to move on from but the souls of the victims couldn’t. So the killer was arrested and out of the picture before the story even began. However, the killer suffering the same fate as his victims because of his own hubris so that his corpse could later be used as a set piece in an attraction designed to make light of his crimes? Infinitely cooler. As a writer, Scott would have been morally obligated knowingly contradict his earlier work in this instance.
It could have been Henry that took the fall. There is a large gap in time between the time when Freddy's was open and FNAF 6 where Henry isn't present that could mean that he was William's scapegoat and was imprisoned for however long until he was released or escaped to plan the events of FNAF 6.
I've always laughed at the plothole that five children got lured into the backroom by an employee in a suit, the animatronics had blood on them, and they smelled like rotting corpses, but the bodies were somehow never found 😂
@MidnightMuffin Considering all the shit that happens in this universe with the authorities never getting involved I don't think the police exists in FNAF lol
@@YoshiTheyosh123 the authorities definitely knew about Afton and sponsored him. Like seriously, there's agony that can make literal robots alive and you think the government wouldn't spend any money on the way to turn it into war machines?
To be honest, 1-9-8-7 jumpscare was added in after a couple months because scott caught wind of the fandom making rumours about it and decided to put it in the game.
Copy pasting this from another comment section: I solved the retcon. It’s Golden Freddy as the MCI disguise. The FNAF 1 newspaper says someone dressed as a character to lure 5 kids. FNAF2 clearly states “a yellow suit” and GF is slumped. The twist of FNAF 3 is Golden Bonnie MCI. That’s why the retcon was posted about before FNAF 6 and why it was seemless, because it was FNAF 3’s twist. Before that everyone believed GF was the MCI disguise, such as GT in their “phone guy is purple guy” video. My biggest piece of evidence is that Golden Bonnie DIDN’T EXIST before Silver Eyes was being written around the development of FNAF 2 or 3. FNAF 1 was also the very last game Scott was supposed to ever make, so why would he plan a twist in the third game? Someone disguised as a character, either using a costume or Golden Freddy, did the MCI according to FNAF 1. The implication in FNAF 1, and ESPECIALLY in FNAF 2 is that GF is the disguise.
This kind of falls apart when this, again, is "Retroactive Storytelling". The DCI doesnt fit the bill of the MCI as we see it in 2, and considering 2 and 3 were likely conceived in a single batch, it's even more obvious Fredbear was never meant to be the Killer's (First) Suit. If Phone Guy HAD stated it was a "Yellow Bear" however...
Also in The Silver Eyes, William uses the Golden freddy suit to lure one of the kids in the MCI. It's mentioned once in the book, and never again for the rest of the franchise; “The one I saw the night Michael disappeared, the bear, I’m pretty sure he was yellow, too.”
@@higueraft571 I’m more so implying that FNAF 1 gently implies it, and FNAF 2 heavily implies it for 1 of 2 reasons: 1: Scott had in mind that GF was the disguise until he wrote FNAF 3 and the Silver Eyes, and retconned it then, or… 2: He thought of the idea of Spring/Golden Bonnie BEFORE FNAF 2, which allowed him to set it up as “a yellow one,” without specifying what it was. This allowed the twist of FNAF 3 to be more impactful, as it was secretly set up in 2. Either way though, there had to be a disguise used by “the unnamed killer” in FNAF 1, and the concept for spring lock suits and Golden Bonnie did not exist yet. The disguise the killer used according to FNAF 1 was simply “a cartoon mascot” For all I know, the disguise for the MCI in FNAF 1 was the Mimic’s lion costume, or a paper pal, or Golden Freddy, or one of the empty costumes in the back (suck as the spare Freddy on the game over screen). BUT. IT. CAN’T. BE. GOLDEN. BONNIE. It was Scott’s last game. Ever. No sequels, no storyline, just one game with one mysterious backstory solved by 4 newspapers and background details. IMO, the retcon HAS to be in FNAF 1, or it has to be “Save HIM,” which many don’t believe. ID’s Fantasy has a short on it.
It's pretty crazy with everything we've had revealed in the lore, the one thing we still don't have a concrete answer for is who the Bite victim and perpetrator were. Even though everyone says it was Jeremy and Mangle, it's still something Scott hasn't directly confirmed after all this time.
The problem with Golden Freddy being the bite of ‘87 animatronic is simply that the 1987 jumpscare was added into the game later down the line. It wasn’t in the original version that launched. People just started a ton of rumors that there’d be a hidden ending if you set the custom night to 1987, Scott patched in the Golden Freddy jumpscare with a hard reset required as a means of discouraging players from digging into that custom night setting. I don’t believe it’s there for lore purposes.
I think Henry, himself, is the retcon; I think there was no Henry until Scott started to realize that Mike is a willing protagonist, but not a very active one. Mike will show up to "face off" against all the supernatural death ghosts, but he is never going to "set up" a scenario; he isn't the type that would create Fazbear Frights, he would never build FFPS... So there needs to be a secondary "good guy" that eventually materializes to finally end it all. And that person needs to have a connection to the crimes that have happened; which is why Henry's daughter is the puppet; the one that sticks out from the others --- the one phone guy tells you is "different" as early as it's appearance in FNAF2. I think phone guy's mention of the "original diner's owner" was referring to Afton. Meaning Afton was suppose to be locked up or otherwise "on the run" until FNAF3 gave him a staring role. Part of what makes me think this is also the puppet switch-out; originally it was "save him" ending with a puppet jumpscare... And the Crying Child sharing many "motifs" with the puppet's design. When FNAF4 first came out a lot of people suspected this was the origins of the puppet, because it was a small building and he was always crying (and there's no nightmare puppet, originally). The reveal that it was The Bite actually caught many by surprise at the time. It then created the question of "who is the puppet then?" to many; if it wasn't this obvious crying child in a striped shirt, then who / what ? I think FNAF4 was an attempt to create a "closed loop" to the story; make it about this family and retroactively explain/show that this is the golden freddy who got his happiest day. FNAF4 was the originals story of both Mike and Dave Afton; FNAF3 showed us what happened eventually to everything, the ending of everything (spiritually and physically) but FNAF4 is showing the start of it all; leaving FNAF2 and FNAF1 the "meat" of the sandwich.
ngl I kinda miss when the story only went 4 games long, things were simpler. Complicated sure, but still easier to understand the the sci-fi mess of modern fnaf
@WakoWasHere "and William afton mounted the giant remnant powered laser cannon on the fazber entertainment space colony pizzeria but then the bite of 87 happened"
I know that the FNaF Ultimate Guide isn’t very reliable, but it mentioned something very interesting that is true. Bonnie can go into Parts and Service, and even though he sees a naked Endoskeleton, he does not stuff it into a suit.
True, but that's Parts and Service. That's where spare parts would go--such as inactive endoskeletons. Wouldn't be the biggest stretch to assume that anything in there is an exception.
@@Cryonide To be honest, if they were buggy enough to where they think a human is a naked endoskeleton, it’d make sense for them to also think that the endoskeletons should be put into suits, too. But I see your point.
there's no way scott intended for them to actually recognize humans as endoskeletons.. jus the workers at fazbears trying to find a reason they're killing
Someone got convicted for *something* at some point. Either that or this whole thing is the retcon. Not to mention, I can totally believe the game over screen from HW being an oversight.
@@higueraft571 I’ve had this video in the background so idk if it’s addressed But my theory is that Henry got convicted, not necessarily for murder but maybe William or someone took him to court over his unsafe animatronics
HW is fictional even in-universe and it is referring to the night guard's death in this instance(Phone Guy's death seemingly caused no legal issues either). Not even a real person that died in the story here, but the fictionalised character within the fiction.
@@Supahdenning ...this is a HUGE stretch, gonna be honest. >and it is referring to the night guard's death in this instance Any particular reason? It seems you're looking at this almost entirely from HW's PoV and *not* the game it's showing (with assets from that game in the background). In FNAF 1, there are only TWO instances this could be referring to: - Phone Guy's Death (As you mentioned, seemingly no major incident over that, as FazEnt implies that he certainly *isnt* the first dead Nightguard, even in 1 alone) - The MCI: "While video surveliance identified the man responsible and led to his capture the following morning, the children themselves were never found and are presumed dead." "While the suspect has been charged, the bodies were never found." The former has little ground, as you mentioned, HOWEVER... The latter is one of the only mentions of a court case prior to FNAF 6's "Legal Woes", of a VERY major event in the series' timeline. If this is the Retcon, this changes it from: "William Afton committed the MCI, and was convicted soon after." to "William Afton committed the MCI, was arrested/suspected, but they couldnt definitively stick him with the charges, and he escaped." The latter is generally what would NEED to happen for Sister Location and FNAF 2 to occur, presumably. (And explain why William Afton would be using fake names after this point. Such as in the Novels, in the Movie, and presumably in FNAF 2 as well...)
The sound effect with Autobiography of a Yogi was from a from a sound library that Scott used, it was called alien sound effect or something like that. Scott definitely didn't intend it to mean anything when he used it but i guess it could be argued that it was happy accident and like many other things was added to the lore in post.
I’m starting to think that nothing in FNAF would ever get solved. And with FNAF 1, it was given so much detail with The Week Before but we’re not close the truth yet. All I can say is a short answer: Nope
@@higueraft571 The suspect of the Bite of 87, The year of FNAF 1, Puppet’s whereabouts. I mean, yeah half of it has been solved, but the game as part of a grand story like this it’s still a mystery till this day
@@Cross_Corp64 >Puppet’s whereabouts If we're dealing with ONLY Fnaf 1 info... Then Puppet wouldnt exist. If we're dealing with the series overall: Scott confirmed that the Puppet is just... shoved in the back apparently, if i remember right? Bite of 87 suspect DOES have a few options it's been narrowed down to, but it seems likely to be Foxy? >The year of FNAF 1 This one, with the support of FNAF 2, seems VERY likely to be 1992. Payday on Nov 12th, on a Thursday, Night 6 occurring on Friday the 13th. Complete with the Pay lining up with 1991-1996's. Especially with the series overall, where the SB Fazfacts mentions it running from 88 to 93 (presumably shutting down Jan/Feb '93, as per the "end of year" mentioned). However, two notable questions would probably be: "Who's the CEO at the time?" and "What does "It's Me" mean, exactly?"
@@higueraft571 The CEO kinda really bugs me for many reasons. Both old and new lore. And I assume “It’s Me” is a way of the animatronics response that has the vengeful tone towards adults. Tbf, I’m not counter argue since the community is wanting to find the only right solution by doubling down on other peoples’ opinions.
@@Cross_Corp64I think think that it has to be crystal clear to be “solved”. - The animatronic who did the bite doesn’t matter much, but mangle or foxy have always been the most likely - The year of FNaF 1 had been generally accepted to be in the early 90s since it released, and the paycheck is the exact minimum wage for 1993 - The puppet is presumably just scrapped/in storage as of FNaF 1. They never really appear again physically after 2 except inside of Lefty in FNaF 6.
8:30 in my eyes, they stuff people into suits (mainly adults) as they see the player as William and want him to suffer the same way they have by putting him also into a suit
I always kind of hated how the series kind of drifts away from things Fnaf 1 introduced. For instead if the missing kids were stuffed in the suits and then allowed to preform on stage with the corpses rotting in them then how is there no mention or news of the bodies being found in the withered animatronics in fnaf 2? Where did the corpses go? It's obvious the robots themselves didn't remove them so who did? Fazbear entertainment? Probably our best guess but still you'd think we'd hear about that somewhere within the company. Like a fazbear technician salvaging the withers would find evidence of a corpse, blood, hair, even bits of bone from the robots moving and crushing the limbs. This all of course is if we believe the child go missing before fnaf 1's location is built and the robots are rebuilt after the Toys are scrapped. I guess I always liked the idea of the robots smelling like death. Kind of immerses me in fnaf 2. God knows how bad those suits must smell.
The problem with that is the withered animatronics AREN’T the Fnaf 1 animatronics. FNAF 2 is BEFORE FNAF 1 and while fnaf1 animatronics are implied to be BASED on the original design (before the toys) which would eventually become the withered… we’ve never actually seen the actual un-withered pre-toy OG animatronics. Based on the information we have, the withered are already long gone by the time of FNAF 1, also insinuating that the MCI happens AFTER Fnaf 2… Ultimately, it’s the result of a game being made with some VAGUE idea of a story behind it, and then that story having to be vastly expanded upon when the game is surprisingly, a hit. It’s also incredibly likely that the community and specifically the theorists influenced the story we ultimately have now… deviating from whatever the original skeleton of the idea was..
>then how is there no mention or news of the bodies being found in the withered animatronics in fnaf 2? Why would FazEnt put themselves in DEEPER legal shit than they already were? And why would they tell some random employee or leave such incriminating evidence lying around? Especially if the Saferooms being sealed is SPECIFICALLY an attempt to try and keep their asses safe :V >Where did the corpses go? Likely disposed of by Management, no idea where *exactly* but "away" where they wont be legally liable.
@ The Classics ARE the Withered's. The Week Before is implying that the Classic designs are they’re original design, basically that’s how they always looked. The reason the Unwithereds never existed is because the Withered's were never finish. Ralph mention that they we’re so ugly and smelly so they were scraped and use for parts for the Toys.
I always assumed Afton hid the bodies in the suits to hide them during the day, and when night came he disposed of the bodies, and when the bodies were in the suit that was enough time for agony remnant shit to happen.
@@iphoneT >and when night came he disposed of the bodies Oh, yeah the Newspaper clippings kinda contradict this. Those bodies were ABSOLUTELY in there long enough for the suits to get a strong (and long-lasting) corpse smell, alongside a blood/mucus ooze. Likely enough time to outright start *rotting* to a decent degree.
"Mr. Burke-Clay-did they ever find out who did it? I thought they arrested somebody. So, what happened?” Lamar asked. There was a hush among the group, as if something very important were about to happen. Yes, he said quietly. We did arrest someone. I did, in fact, and I am as sure now that he was guilty as I was then. There were no bodies, Clay Burke said. We knew it was him; there was no doubt in my mind. But the children had disappeared, they were never found, and without their bodies... He stopped talking, staring off into the middle distance as if scarcely aware that they were there. He hung up, not waiting for her to finish. Clay stared moodily, restlessly at the wall for a long moment, then he grabbed his coffee cup, and headed to the basement. He didn’t have to search for the box of evidence from the Freddy’s disappearances; he had been here before. There was no one around, and so instead of taking it upstairs to his office, Clay sat down on the concrete floor, spreading papers and photographs around him. There were interviews, witness statements; reports from the on-scene officers, Clay included. He sifted through them aimlessly; he didn’t know what he was looking for. There was nothing new here. There was nothing to find, really. They knew who did it. At first he had suspected Henry, just like so many others around town. It was a terrible thought, but it was a terrible crime; there was no solution that would not be shocking. He had not been the one to question Charlie’s father, but he had read the transcript. The man had been almost incoherent, so shaken that he could not give straight answers. He sounded as if he were lying, and to most people, that was proof enough. But Clay had resisted, delayed having him arrested, and sure enough, they came to William Afton, Henry’s partner. Afton seemed like the normal one in the venture, the businessman. Henry was the artist; he always seemed to be off in another world, some part of his mind thinking about his mechanical creatures even when he was holding a conversation about the weather, or the kids’ soccer games. There was something off about Henry, something almost shell-shocked; it seemed like a miracle that he could have produced a child as apparently normal as Charlie. Clay remembered when Henry had moved to town and begun construction of the new restaurant. Someone had told him that Henry had a kid who was abducted several years prior, but didn’t know much else. He seemed like a nice enough guy, though he was obviously terribly alone, his grief visible even at a distance. Then Freddy Fazbear’s opened, and the town came alive. That was also when Charlie appeared; Clay hadn’t known Henry even had a daughter until that day. William Afton was the one who made Freddy’s a business, as he had the previous restaurant. Afton was as robust and lively as Henry was withdrawn and shadowy. He was a hefty man, and had the ruddy geniality of a financially shrewd Santa Claus. And he had killed the children. Clay knew it; the whole department knew it. He had been present for each abduction. He had mysteriously and briefly vanished at the same time as each child went missing. A search of his house had found a room crammed with boxes of mechanical parts and a musty yellow rabbit suit, and stacks of journals full of raving paranoia, passages about Henry that ranged from wild jealousy to near-worship. But there had been no evidence, there had been no bodies, and so there could be no charge. William Afton had left town, and there was nothing to stop him. They did not even know where he had gone." this is NOT a retcon the retcon could be that on the article, they refer the man not as a employee or the founder of the company as if its a random person with no name, but when silver eyes came out this person was a employee + the business partnerr of the owner
But in the newspaper it says that the suspect was convicted, so that means that he still had to face punishment (stay in prison) if I understood it correctly.
It doesn't matter if the bodies weren't found. Being caught luring kids away on camera and them proceeding to go missing is still more than enough to give someone jail time for first degree kidnapping. If the dead bodies were found, it would only make his punishment more severe. And yes, the Silver Eyes trilogy is an entirely alternate universe. Just because something is true there doesn't mean that it's true here (perfect examples being how Afton gets springlocked and the identities of the souls possessing the animatronics). Certain things will spill over for sure, but that doesn't mean that everything has to be default.
I truly believe fnaf1 is a near perfect game. Its not the most complicated. It has many flaws. But its a masterclass in getting all it could out of its limited scope. It has the perfect mix of humor, maybe a little bit of unintentional camp, and scares, with a tempting dripfeeding of lore and stuff to catch you off guard like foxy moving on camera and golden freddy. I often laugh and scream simultaneously while playing it or watching playthroughs.
I think that the Fnaf1 and the fnaf2 location being the same place is the retcon. It changes nothing about the story, so it's easily missed, but we dont get any information about it until TWB. Phone says in FNAF2 he'll take the night shift when the place opens back up. TWB introduces vents into the FNAF1 location that were not a game mechanic until FNAF2. TWB states that the doors in the FNAF1 location were recently added. TWB also mentions boarded off sections of the restaurant (which is probable giving the location in FNAF2 was larger than the FNAF1 location). The Follow Me minigames in FNAF3 also show a boarded up section before afton dismantles the animatronics. It also makes the DCI/MCI argument moot since it's the same location. FNAF2 is also mentioned as being new and improved, not a brand new restaurant all together. Also, what better place to hide bodies than in suits that have been pulled apart for all the parts needed? It could also explain why we see the shadow animatronics for the first time in FNAF2. I just think it's such a minute detail that really changes nothing about the story and it hasnt really been mentioned anywhere else until TWB.
If we got no info about it until TWB, then it's automatically not the retcon. Otherwise, he wouldn't have said that we didn't notice it. We'd have no way of noticing it because it was never even hinted in the OG games. And even then, none of that implies they're the same location. Like, the boarded up stuff just sounds like a connection to Follow Me, which explicitly has the FNAF1 layout, which is completely different from the FNAF2 layout.
The retcon being the conviction is... Shaky at best? Because a conviction sadly doesn't actually tell us the truth of anything. We haven't seen the trial nor will we ever, and we don't know who the defendant actually was. A conviction can be wrong, and is far more than we would like. All that newspaper clipping says is that 5 kids went missing and were never found, someone was arrested and thrown in jail for it. It doesn't say it was William Afton, it doesn't say it was Henry Emily. It doesn't say anything. Just a vague someone. And I think that fits for Fazbear Entertainment. If they can't find the culprit (or worse, they know who it is and they're too important for the company), then SOMEONE has to take the fall for it and they will do everything in their power to pin it on them. Notably, the bodies were never found. You would think that the police would do EVERYTHING in their power to get that information out of someone. And if it was actually the killer, I think they could have cracked them. But since it wasn't, they would get nowhere because their supposed murderer doesn't know.
The easiest FNAF lore was the one Scrimpus McGrimpus adapted in his analog horror tapes. It’s possibly the easiest and most “accurate” and linear form of the FNAF storytelling we could have
Have seen some people saying you should get a new editor or do it better, but i personally think it's good :D I also got more excited than i should have when "Not So, Sou" played
I don't think Golden Freddy did the Bite of 87 in FNAF 1, because the custom night thing was only added AFTER people started saying it would happen, it was a easter egg.
11:45 At least is an exaggeration. You see the issue with claiming something introduced recently was intended originally or not is that we don't what Scott had wrote for the lore at any given point. We have what he tells us and shows us in the games but that won't cover everything. There may be no conceivable way for the detail to appear in the story, or elaborating on a certain mechanic just ends up eating time from the story and gameplay. I always circle back to that one confirmation Scott made after the FNAF 4 halloween update came out. "Nightmare BB fits into the story and can be considered canon." In fact despite remnant only being formally defined in Frights, its first referenced in the SCUPE blueprint in FNAF 6 released only 3 years after FNAF 1, which is a blueprint of a device we see in SIster Location, released only 2 years after FNAF 1. Given Scott's inherent tendencies to Sci-Fi, that extend well beyond this franchise, its hardly inconceivable that he was playing around with an explanation of possession, in the same way he was thinking about how animatronic code can influence a spirit's behaviour, something else that gets elaborated on in Sister Location specifically. My take on your retcon argument is Suspect Convicted newspaper doesn't work because it was both a common talking point in the fandom before 2017 including in that infamous game theory livestream which Scott and the only integration of the retcon we get is a line in The SIlver Eyes (an explicitly different continuity) and the purple guy still being active after the incident. That's hardly seamless even if people didn't notice it.
>its hardly inconceivable that he was playing around with an explanation of possession Honestly, it's pretty likely he more or less just took the general real-world concept (Emotions and Memories make up the soul, they can Possess/be absorbed into things when someone dies, especially if it's Traumatic), and slapped a Label on it/adding an extra rule or two. I wouldnt be shocked if the idea came from the Haunted Car one, in which a Vehicle someone dies in during a Crash mysterious turns itself on/drives around with nobody inside, a Spirit infused into the Metal...
Something I think that is entirely forgotten is that typing 1987 in the custom night didn't give you a Golden Freddy jumpscare originally, that was a featured added pretty quickly after the theories really started flowing in after people started spreading rumors that typing in 1987 would give you a secret cutscene revealing the bite, at least very rarely. Scott's way of curtailing this was to simply have it trigger an event that would crash the game: the Golden Freddy jumpscare.
Honestly, returning to this after so many years, I'm glad I quit when I did. Remnant, mind control and magic metal, this series really went crazy the longer it went on.
3:40 Foxy actually always has his eyes glowing like that throughout the entire game. 12:53 Actually FNaF 1 does associate IT'S ME with Golden Freddy. When you encounter Golden Freddy during the Nightshift, IT'S ME hallucinations will always occur the moment you close the Camera Tablet after seeing the Golden Freddy Poster in Camera 2B - West Hall Corner. Also something I'd like to point out is about the year of which FNaF 1 takes place in. When the game first released, MatPat connected the game to be somewhere from April 1990 - 1996 due to U.S. federal minimum wage, as in it was the closest pay to the actual pay in the game (And then he assumed 1993 due to his theory making a connection to a real-life incident that occurred in 1993.). One major problem with this is that the pay in the actual game is $4 per hour, while minimum wage was $4.25 per hour in that timeframe, which makes the 1990s illogical, but most people disregarded this, probably due to profit-at-all-cost practices that FazBear Ent. was implied to take later in the series, but logically with the evidence the first game alone provided, FNaF 1 could only take place in either 1987, 1988, or 1989, with 1989 being the most likely answer as it would fit the "many years ago" description given to the MCI in the newspapers best. And in The Week Before, a lot of pop culture references are made, and they supposedly all date to 1989 at the latest.
Henry is not a good enough explanation to the suspect being “convicted”, because in FNAF 2 and 3, well before Henry existed in the game, we see William being not in jail. Either that is the retcon, which it totally could be, or there’s an alternate explanation besides Henry (no Scott wasn’t thinking of Henry before Silver Eyes, and yes FNAF 3 represents a mostly clean bookend for the story so an explanation would exist at that point).
Just a thought, but maybe the security guards we play as are just those people. What is Mike was blamed & convicted of the killings? Especially after everyone knew he threw his little brother into the mouth of Fred Bear. Not sure how that lines up with the timeline though. Edit: I just looked up the penalty for a minor in 1985/1986 convicted of murder. They were not given the death penalty nor life in prison. They would stay in a detention center until the court's chose to release them. It's possible with the murders continuing after Mike was incarcerated, the courts might have let him go. This would also add to the reason Mike is looking for his father and trying to set things right.
>with the murders continuing after Mike was incarcerated There was only one murder, which could be classified as an Accident/unintentional killing. It's partially on Michael and his friends shoving CC in Fredbear's mouth, but it's also VERY much on the owners of Fredbear's for making such a hazardous Machine, especially with no Warnings around.
@@higueraft571 I miss-spoke a little. I didn't mean killed ( but we all knew what was going on), but kidnappings and missing persons were still happening. I only bring up the Fred Bear incident because Hurricane is a small town. Everyone knows everyone. Rumors and false allegations by the town folk will spread. Even if it was an accident the people would look at the Afton's as insane and possibly murderers. So if it keeps happening the whole family will look guilty. William, the sociopath that he is, could have manipulated Mike into claiming he killed those kids to save his own skin. Possibly could have used the Nightmare gas to make Mike hallucinate or dream that he actually committed the murders. Just a thought though. I have no actual evidence for it.
@@torrigarnet >Even if it was an accident the people would look at the Afton's as insane and possibly murderers. Definitely disagree. People WOULD side-eye Michael and his Friends, but it'd also be EXTREMELY clear to them that Michael never intended to kill him. It'd absolutely become a Cautionary Tale though. >So if it keeps happening the whole family will look guilty. Though, problem is, when Afton opened CBPW (and CBEAR), it certainly got Attention at least, people visiting. If he was more or less *seen* as guilty of it, i feel like people wouldnt be visiting his places at all. Let alone there being Shareholders/a Board of sorts. Especially when these have to take place AFTER the MCI...
Okay, it needs to be said: The 1987 Custom Night game over "secret" was patched in *later* to put an end to the rumor that there was a secret ending for beating it on said setting. It was not meant as a clue itself.
I just wanna say, I like the video, but I swear the golden Freddy 1987 jumpscare was added cuz people made rumours about entering 1987 and scott wanted to fuck with people, maybe I'm just misremembering it, I'm not even a fnaf fan anymore, I just really like the first game, nice video btw, I relaly enjoyed it :)
I think yes. While some questions have been raised at the identity of Golden Freddy, I think it’s generally been resolved. And with the release of the book about Phone Guy, all the questions raised in FNAF 1 have been answered, for now.
The 1987 custom night jumpscare Easter egg wasn’t present in the game on release, Scott added it to the game as a prank in response to community rumors/hoaxes that something would happen if you put 1987 into the custom night difficulty selection
I don't really see that being the case, because of the fact that it was in the lead up to pizzeria Sim where the one Retcon was mentioned, though i do believe he's made several more since then and people need to stop acting like Scott has only Retcond one thing we just do know what. My personal Theories are that it's either the puppets Gender being Reconned, Mangle being funtime foxy, and my current personal believed to be the answer Theory, the original assumption that golden Freddy was the suit used as the lure
@@sebay4654 >the puppets Gender being Reconned It's pretty likely this, actually. It's one of the ONLY solid pieces of information that was directly contradicted. FNAF 2 showed a boy being murdered outside by William, while "SAVE HIM" While FNAF 6 distinctly makes this same murder victim/minigame involve Charlie, a "her". Both are tied directly to the Puppet. Mangle being Funtime Foxy... i dont see too much evidence for this, aside from the similar color schemes. Golden Freddy being used by the MCI Killer initially IS possible, but it was *never* stated to be the case. However what's very likely is that GFreddy *was* used for the DCI, a separate killing 2 years later (As Spring Bonnie is still within the FNAF 1/MCI Location's Saferoom at this time). The only other thing i could see being a Retcon being the "Convicted" portion of the Clippings in 1.
In HW I think I remember one of the death messages being nothing was ever proven in court, which may be evidence to prove that this is what the retcon is
10:17 And... Foxy. His FNaF 4 teaser has **87** inscribed into his eye. Also, FNaF World Mobile implies that there was an animatronic who caused the Bite to happen, and there was another that did the actual Bite itself. So, one of the spirits in FNaF 1's Yellow Bear causing Foxy to bite someone-
@@Virusest FNaF World Mobile's clock ending has the one who caused the Bite to happen to talk to us, and specifically says they caused it to happen, not that they were the one to do the Bite. The Week Before also states that something other than Foxy provoked the Bite, but couldn't get any information besides that out of the victim. The usage of "It's Me" further implies a form of ShatterVictim, with this including Foxy. And, since "It's Me" is heavily associated with the Yellow Bear, who is associated with the Crying Child... and the FNaF 1 1987 Easter egg... it's highly likely that he caused this Bite, likely in retaliation of his own 1983 Bite incident, with FNaF 4's teasers even linking the two bites; Cause and effect. And, since the Crying Child created the Flipside, where FNaF World takes place, it's highly likely that he's the speaker who said they caused the Bite. They even cause Freddy to bite Ralph's frontal lobe in a TWB ending.
Isn't the retcon super mega definitely Dream Theory? There was a big live stream back around FNAF 4's time with a ton of FNAF Theorists all together to discuss FNAF stuff, and Scott showed up and started dropping hints for them to dissect and theorize about... And all of those hints VERY HEAVILY pointed to Dream Theory, which was something FNAF 4 itself also pointed to several times. Scott also said (granted it's been a long time since I read about this so I may not get his wording exactly right) that he made Sister Location specifically because people weren't satisfied with FNAF 4's lore, and Sister Location contains a rather awkward and ham fisted appearance of the FNAF 4 bedroom on the cameras. Everything about Dream Theory highly suggests it was the retcon. The only issue is that it's kinda shaky with how Scott describes the retcon. Many people noticed Dream Theory, although I'm not sure how many people noticed it being retconned, so he could be referring to that, and I would argue that Dream Theory was not retconned seamlessly at all (granted I haven't read the books so maybe they go more into detail on FNAF 4 there), but Dream Theory being retconned isn't really talked about all that much, so maybe it was seamless just in that nobody noticed it? I dunno, but the only possible explanation I can come up with for Scott's hints in that live stream is Dream Theory. I can't think of any other interpretation for that live stream, but since Dream Theory clearly isn't canon now, it must've been retconned, or he was trolling the theorists but like why would he do that? I don't think it was a troll, so he was genuinely hinting at Dream Theory being the canon answer, but it's not the canon answer now, and he made Sister Location specifically because people didn't like the FNAF 4 lore... it all SUPER sounds like Dream Theory was retconned, and I can't think of a retcon that could be more major than everything being fake to the point that he would point to it as THE retcon over something as major as Dream Theory.
No. Dream Theory was never true. His hints do not lead to it at all. Game Theory just erroneously assumed things like "oh, this toy Chica is missing her beak like the real one... DREAM", and everyone else followed suit. Before SL even came out, FNAF World tied CC's fate to Happiest Day (which 4 already did, but people ignored that because of DT), meaning it was real and happened, and wasn't a dream. Nevermind how Dream Theory never had a single explanation for the final scene of FNAF4 and what "put you back together" meant. Especially if it's true (according to MatPat) that Scott sent MatPat another hint at the time regarding the identity of the security guards, which has nothing to do with Dream Theory, but most likely has to do with the fact that Michael was always the one having the nightmares since FNAF4's release, not CC. The notion that Scott backed down from his original story because people didn't like it has always been a myth that fans created for themselves.
@@damkylan3 Scott's hints on that live stream were "In the FNaF4 minigame, why would the tiny toy chica be missing her beak?", "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child.", and "Four games. One story." I can't figure out what these could be pointing to other than Dream Theory, but if you have an explanation for all three of those, I would genuinely love to hear it. Looking into it more, I can't find direct confirmation that Sister Location specifically happened because people didn't like the FNAF 4 lore, but there were steam posts from Scott insisting that FNAF 5 would NOT happen, and then in an interview with Dawko, he directly talks about how people weren't happy with FNAF 4's lore, after talking about how FNAF 3 had some stuff left that people weren't satisfied with, (seemingly implying that's what led to FNAF 4's creation, which makes sense, as he ALSO said that FNAF 3 would be the last game back when that one released), which together does seem to imply that Sister Location happened because people weren't happy with Dream Theory being true. I can't think of any other interpretation of the lore at the time that people would've been unhappy with, and Scott simply calling it "FNAF 4's lore" and not "a popular theory/interpretation" or something seems to imply that whatever it was was canon, or at the very least, his fault for leading people to assume it.
I like the conviction theory a lot! My one hang up about it though is that the newspaper clippings do have typos in them (such as Pizzeria being spelled with an A instead of an E, and the traditional spelling being used for the rest of the series, and also the word Threatened missing an R). In my mind, it makes it likely that the word "convicted" was just a mistake Personally I think that the retcon was Mike and Crying Child originally not being Purple Guy's children.
@sreedev8250 Hello Hello um i wanted to record a message for you to help you getting settle on your first night um i actually work in that office before you i'm finishing up my last week now as a matter of fact so i know it can be a bit overwhelming but i can tell you there nothing to worry about you will do fine so let just focus on getting through your first week? ok first there is the introductory greeting from the company that i'm suppose to read it's kinda like legal thing you know um welcome to freddy fazbear pizza a magical place for kids and grown up alike where fantasy and fun come to life fazbear entertainment is not responsible for damage or property or person upon discovering a person may have been missing a missing report will be fill within 90 days as soon as the property as been completely clear and bleach and the carpet have been replace blah blah blah now it may sound bad i know but there really nothing to worry about um the animatronic characters here to get a bit quirky at night but do i blame them? no if i force to sing those same stupid for 20 years and never got a bath i will probably get irritated a night too so just remember these characters hold a special place in the hearts of children you need to show them a little respect right ok? so just be aware the character to tent to wonder a bit they left some kind of free roaming mode at night something about they curvos locking up if they get turn off for to long they use to be able to walk around the day too but then there was the bite of 87, it's amazing how a body can live without a frontal lob you know now conserning your own safety as a watch man is the thing is the fact that these character if they happened to see you after hour probably won't recognize you as a person they most likely see as a endoskeleton without it's costume on now since this is against the rules here at freddy fazbear pizza they probably try to forcely stuff you inside a freddy fazbear suit now that won't be so bad if the suit themselves weren't fill with crossbeam wires and animatronic devices especially around the facial area so you can imaging having your face forcely stuff inside one of those could cause a bit of discomfort and death this only thing they would probably see the light of day would be your eye balls and teeth poping out of the mask eh eh yea they don't tell you these things when you sign up but hey first night would be breeze i talk to you tomorrow just check the camera and remember to close the door when absolutely necessary gotta conserve power alright good night that the fnaf 1 phone guy night 1 script i said from memory if some words have grammar issue that because i ain't america or british
quick comment for feedback: try edit the music to be under your voice so it's less busy to the ears, or choose softer music for some of the segments like beginning. other than that, great video !
One issue with saying that golden freddy is associated with 1987 is that... the 1987 crash wasnt originally in the game, it was added as a joke. And its very likely that the reason he used the golden freddy jumpscare is because it already crashed the game when played.
12:36 you’d be surprised how often police negligence/stupidity causes them to just miss or ignore very obvious things they shouldn’t have missed irl 😂 especially the farther back you go in history
FNAF 1-3 was when I was invested in the lore when 4 was released I started to be indifferent about it and didn't care about anything past SL I like the simple and dark story of a deranged serial killer accidentally bringing his victims back to "life" by hiding their bodies in animatronics and the story concluding with their spirits being set free after they end up killing him with Springbonnie suit none of that "I build a circus with robots to kill children", "I always come back", and Burntrap bullcrap
Wait, what if William Afton returned to dismantle the FNAF 1 animatronics for the "Follow me" mini game as revenge for the spirits almost blowing his cover and getting him arrested/jailed
I will add that fnaf pizzaria sim it states you're a franchise owner so it could still take place in Utah but like there's franchised locations all over the country of some businesses even small ones
Scott really teased FNAF 4 by having the four animatronics saying "was it me?", teased a bite would be involved, actually had a kid's head bit during the game by an animatronic associated with 1987... just to have that not be the Bite of '87
that decision still baffles me to this day
And people still think thers only one retcon. Its amazing that people could think this after everything we've seen be set up and not followed threw with. (Cough cough 2 vanessas in Security Breach cough cough)
Twb kinda proved nightmare foxy teaser as canon for one of the endings
@@j.r.tomlin4265 >2 vanessas in Security Breach
Assuming there even is...
Especially when said game literally involves a single Vanessa running off suddenly, then reappearing as Vanny. And aside from that one non-canon Ending, there being exactly 0 evidence of this being a thing.
Also the problem is:
This does not fit the Bite of 87 at all.
The Victim *dies* in 4 (if the flatlining wasnt clue enough), yet the Victim mentioned in 1 survived.
Maybe it WAS the bite of 87 early on, but it's clear that Scott changed his mind. Probably because it wouldnt make sense do make a Bite of 87 game.
@@j.r.tomlin4265he hinted at it not being the bite prior to the game releasing, iirc one of the hidden messages on the website changed to say 1983. That’s not a retcon, it’s just a fake out
This is one of the things that pisses me of the most. Scott cleary made a lot more retcons that he probably didn't even get it. FNAF 4 bite was CLEARLY made to be the bite of 87, but noooooo, let's not do that and now there is a second bite that was also on the head, also didn't kill the victim right away and was not mentioned by phone guy on FNAF 1. This will not mess with the lore, of course.
FNAF1 being only solvable by future content that didn't exist at release, does mean there's no way for us to really "solve" it at time of release. And some part of me really believes that Scott is ignoring holes because theorists try to fill them instead. Which makes engagement, content, and theory-crafting which is the backbone of the franchise really.
I think it's actually not that hard. What happened, in my opinion, was that the comunity discovered that everything until FNAF 4 was all a dream and it didn't left us happy. Sometimes in order to profit more on their creations, or even simply bc the creator is too narcisistical to admit defeat, the creators can go through multiple paths that can ultimately destroy their own stories.
And that was exactly what happened with FNAF 4, Scott wanted to be smart and he understood that FNAF's fandom would took anything he created as a hint for a bigger story. So when he did FNAF 4 to outsmart everyone, but was quickly discovered by the comunity he panicked. In order to stay relevant or to simply to get more money from the franchise he decided on staying doing games and Sister Location born. Since then the story was retconed and became that mess. It's not that FNAF 1 to 4 were unsolvable, they were in fact solved, but Scott's ego could never accepted defeat.
For me this would explain why since SB the franchise's horror aspect seemed to drop in quality, the bigest example of that drop was the fact we started to introduce and name characters. Till now the only people named were the night guards. Purple guy and phone guy were just that, a guy that hides in the shadows and therefore is purple and a guy who speaks with you through the phone. This lack of specificity made the story really tragic and scaring because it was something that could happen with any poor innocent child, and unfortunately was what happened with those 5 inocent souls.
I mean, you're not technically wrong since Scott retconed the whole story just to make the whole Afton's plot fit. So technically speaking you're right to think it's kinda stupid try to solve fnaf (Specially fnaf 1 back then) if it was impossible due to the lack of clues, but I think FNAF 1 was solveable and was solved, but it's technically retconed due to all the Afton shenanigans.
>FNAF1 being only solvable by future content that didn't exist at release, does mean there's no way for us to really "solve" it at time of release.
It's perfectly solvable, it's just more of something to enable the gameplay rather than being part of a Greater Storyline.
There was killer who lured 5 kids into a backroom while the place was open, and stuffed them in the Suits. The children went on to possess the suits, but their bodies were never found by authorities. They're now Haunted as Hell and Hostile.
@@AddCulture >So when he did FNAF 4 to outsmart everyone, but was quickly discovered by the comunity he panicked.
More likely, he wanted to "wrap up the story". Tying everything to FNAF 4 as a Dream would solve all the strange loose bits as "weird dream shit" and such.
It's more the fact that:
People hated the IDEA of this being another "just a dream" where nothing happened/mattered. Scott realized this was a godawful place to end the series on, and tried to backpedal, which made FNAF 4 a whole lot messier in a sense.
>It's not that FNAF 1 to 4 were unsolvable, they were in fact solved, but Scott's ego could never accepted defeat.
More accurately:
1 was meant to stand alone, but people wanted More, so he made 2 and 3.
3 was a disappointment with how lame the main antagonist's attack was (and Scott DID leave a loose thread incase he ever wanted to continue it), so he was pressured to make 4, a PROPER Spooky Sendoff.
Except that botched the Story aspect that people were into, so he was pressed to divert off that track (and this was likely where he decided "fuck it, no more endings, this makes too much of a mess")
The next game proceeds to introduce a character that is NOT CC, and is most DEFINITELY real and not a dream, and said character is linked to the previous games as the Protagonist.
etc etc
>this would explain why since SB the franchise's horror aspect seemed to drop in quality
In terms of JUST SB, sure definitely. Although i'd argue this is less by Design, and more a combination of:
- Scott did not communicate enough
- Steel Wool had to cut the latter 2/3rds of the story/buildup out.
Surprisingly, cutting a story DRASTICALLY short hurts it.
Take, for example:
Star Wars, but skip most of Luke's journey, and just have him Throw Down with Palpatine in A New Hope and win. Just ends there, *no* Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.
>This lack of specificity made the story really tragic and scaring because it was something that could happen with any poor innocent child
...uhhh, sure?
Except you specified FNAF SB, *not* 6 or SL in this case.
>since Scott retconed the whole story
Not a Retcon. We did not have a Motive, we did not have a Name, we didnt even have a Timeline aside from "there was an incident years ago with a Killer, and also a Bite of 87, and there's also now"
As far as 3 goes, there's STILL not a Retcon, infact it was likely made with potential extension of said story in mind
"Why would the Serial Killer be disassembling the Robots in FNAF 1's location?"
>due to the lack of clues
It told us everything it needed though???
>but it's technically retconed due to all the Afton shenanigans.
Literally not at all true though.
FNAF 1 is STILL more or less solved. Again, no Retcon.
Stupid is what it is. You shouldn't make your fans tell 90% of your own story for you.
@@caldercockatoo2234 if making millions by gaslighting your community to write your lore for you is stupid, goddamn i want to be stupidest man alive.
Honestly I just figured Ralph/Phone Guy excusing Fazbear was kind of just a coping mechanism to deal with what he goes through
I like to think at this point Fazbear wasn’t being run by Afton and probably had some sketchy management who were protective of their fragile image, and PG would only tell us the least amount of info possible. Except for night 4, he might be just acting to not scare us or him
Until the week before i just assumed that with how long he’d been working with fazbear entertainment he had some kind of management status and was more afraid of what fazbear entertainment would do to him than what the animatronics would
For example, in fnaf 6 if you find the blueprints they send you to a mental hospital after claiming you’re insane. And it wouldn’t be far fetched to assume if they found out he was telling people the animatronics had corpses in them they would throw every legal case at him possible.
If the animatronics catch him he’s just dead, not living a completely destroyed life
a very specific thing about this video i admire-- the built in subtitles in full sentences is so refreshing, especially in a video thats so information-heavy. especially in an era where full, manually written subtitles are honestly rare-- and the prevalence of one-word-at-a-time subtitles common in short form content. this is delightful, thank you!
true i really appreciate it!
YES! I completely agree that Afton’s conviction was the “one” retcon. Having the serial killer be convicted made sense for the story and atmosphere of FNAF 1. It was a tragedy that got “resolved,” that the world was able to move on from but the souls of the victims couldn’t. So the killer was arrested and out of the picture before the story even began. However, the killer suffering the same fate as his victims because of his own hubris so that his corpse could later be used as a set piece in an attraction designed to make light of his crimes? Infinitely cooler. As a writer, Scott would have been morally obligated knowingly contradict his earlier work in this instance.
He could have maybe set someone up to take the fall? Idk lol
It could have been Henry that took the fall. There is a large gap in time between the time when Freddy's was open and FNAF 6 where Henry isn't present that could mean that he was William's scapegoat and was imprisoned for however long until he was released or escaped to plan the events of FNAF 6.
@@psychophate I think it's so funny, an old Henry having his own Shawshank Redemption arc just to appear for PS
this is how i find out (1) phone guy got a canon name (2) it's fucken. ralph
He's gonna wreck it.
@@HeresyGremlin Say that again...
I…have opinions about the name Ralph 😭
He truly was in danger
@@HeresyGremlin I know many people would wreck Ralph.
I've always laughed at the plothole that five children got lured into the backroom by an employee in a suit, the animatronics had blood on them, and they smelled like rotting corpses, but the bodies were somehow never found 😂
Maybe Fazbear Entertainment bribed the police to look the other way, idk
@MidnightMuffin Considering all the shit that happens in this universe with the authorities never getting involved I don't think the police exists in FNAF lol
@@YoshiTheyosh123 the authorities definitely knew about Afton and sponsored him. Like seriously, there's agony that can make literal robots alive and you think the government wouldn't spend any money on the way to turn it into war machines?
To be honest, 1-9-8-7 jumpscare was added in after a couple months because scott caught wind of the fandom making rumours about it and decided to put it in the game.
Copy pasting this from another comment section:
I solved the retcon. It’s Golden Freddy as the MCI disguise. The FNAF 1 newspaper says someone dressed as a character to lure 5 kids. FNAF2 clearly states “a yellow suit” and GF is slumped.
The twist of FNAF 3 is Golden Bonnie MCI. That’s why the retcon was posted about before FNAF 6 and why it was seemless, because it was FNAF 3’s twist. Before that everyone believed GF was the MCI disguise, such as GT in their “phone guy is purple guy” video.
My biggest piece of evidence is that Golden Bonnie DIDN’T EXIST before Silver Eyes was being written around the development of FNAF 2 or 3. FNAF 1 was also the very last game Scott was supposed to ever make, so why would he plan a twist in the third game?
Someone disguised as a character, either using a costume or Golden Freddy, did the MCI according to FNAF 1. The implication in FNAF 1, and ESPECIALLY in FNAF 2 is that GF is the disguise.
Incredibly likely. I wholeheartedly believe this is the case
this wouldn't be a retcon under Scotts definition
This kind of falls apart when this, again, is "Retroactive Storytelling".
The DCI doesnt fit the bill of the MCI as we see it in 2, and considering 2 and 3 were likely conceived in a single batch, it's even more obvious Fredbear was never meant to be the Killer's (First) Suit.
If Phone Guy HAD stated it was a "Yellow Bear" however...
Also in The Silver Eyes, William uses the Golden freddy suit to lure one of the kids in the MCI. It's mentioned once in the book, and never again for the rest of the franchise; “The one I saw the night Michael disappeared, the bear, I’m pretty sure he was yellow, too.”
@@higueraft571
I’m more so implying that FNAF 1 gently implies it, and FNAF 2 heavily implies it for 1 of 2 reasons:
1: Scott had in mind that GF was the disguise until he wrote FNAF 3 and the Silver Eyes, and retconned it then, or…
2: He thought of the idea of Spring/Golden Bonnie BEFORE FNAF 2, which allowed him to set it up as “a yellow one,” without specifying what it was. This allowed the twist of FNAF 3 to be more impactful, as it was secretly set up in 2.
Either way though, there had to be a disguise used by “the unnamed killer” in FNAF 1, and the concept for spring lock suits and Golden Bonnie did not exist yet. The disguise the killer used according to FNAF 1 was simply “a cartoon mascot”
For all I know, the disguise for the MCI in FNAF 1 was the Mimic’s lion costume, or a paper pal, or Golden Freddy, or one of the empty costumes in the back (suck as the spare Freddy on the game over screen).
BUT. IT. CAN’T. BE. GOLDEN. BONNIE.
It was Scott’s last game. Ever. No sequels, no storyline, just one game with one mysterious backstory solved by 4 newspapers and background details.
IMO, the retcon HAS to be in FNAF 1, or it has to be “Save HIM,” which many don’t believe. ID’s Fantasy has a short on it.
I still think Jeremy Fitzgerald is the victim of the Bite of '87.
Yup. The phone guy tells you at the very end you’re being moved to the day shift. I bet that’s when mangle bites him
It's pretty crazy with everything we've had revealed in the lore, the one thing we still don't have a concrete answer for is who the Bite victim and perpetrator were. Even though everyone says it was Jeremy and Mangle, it's still something Scott hasn't directly confirmed after all this time.
The problem with Golden Freddy being the bite of ‘87 animatronic is simply that the 1987 jumpscare was added into the game later down the line. It wasn’t in the original version that launched. People just started a ton of rumors that there’d be a hidden ending if you set the custom night to 1987, Scott patched in the Golden Freddy jumpscare with a hard reset required as a means of discouraging players from digging into that custom night setting. I don’t believe it’s there for lore purposes.
I think Henry, himself, is the retcon; I think there was no Henry until Scott started to realize that Mike is a willing protagonist, but not a very active one. Mike will show up to "face off" against all the supernatural death ghosts, but he is never going to "set up" a scenario; he isn't the type that would create Fazbear Frights, he would never build FFPS... So there needs to be a secondary "good guy" that eventually materializes to finally end it all. And that person needs to have a connection to the crimes that have happened; which is why Henry's daughter is the puppet; the one that sticks out from the others --- the one phone guy tells you is "different" as early as it's appearance in FNAF2.
I think phone guy's mention of the "original diner's owner" was referring to Afton. Meaning Afton was suppose to be locked up or otherwise "on the run" until FNAF3 gave him a staring role. Part of what makes me think this is also the puppet switch-out; originally it was "save him" ending with a puppet jumpscare... And the Crying Child sharing many "motifs" with the puppet's design. When FNAF4 first came out a lot of people suspected this was the origins of the puppet, because it was a small building and he was always crying (and there's no nightmare puppet, originally). The reveal that it was The Bite actually caught many by surprise at the time. It then created the question of "who is the puppet then?" to many; if it wasn't this obvious crying child in a striped shirt, then who / what ? I think FNAF4 was an attempt to create a "closed loop" to the story; make it about this family and retroactively explain/show that this is the golden freddy who got his happiest day. FNAF4 was the originals story of both Mike and Dave Afton; FNAF3 showed us what happened eventually to everything, the ending of everything (spiritually and physically) but FNAF4 is showing the start of it all; leaving FNAF2 and FNAF1 the "meat" of the sandwich.
Fnaf 1 and 2 are a sandwich got it
I hate FNAF 4!
ngl I kinda miss when the story only went 4 games long, things were simpler. Complicated sure, but still easier to understand the the sci-fi mess of modern fnaf
new gen fnaf fans will never understand
Literally asked myself WTF was remnant💀
@WakoWasHere "and William afton mounted the giant remnant powered laser cannon on the fazber entertainment space colony pizzeria but then the bite of 87 happened"
@ LMAOO THIS MADE MY NIGHT🙏🏽😭
FNAF 1 thru 3 was when it was good. It was only after 4's release that the fandom became truly divided on the lore.
I know that the FNaF Ultimate Guide isn’t very reliable, but it mentioned something very interesting that is true.
Bonnie can go into Parts and Service, and even though he sees a naked Endoskeleton, he does not stuff it into a suit.
True, but that's Parts and Service. That's where spare parts would go--such as inactive endoskeletons. Wouldn't be the biggest stretch to assume that anything in there is an exception.
@@Cryonide
To be honest, if they were buggy enough to where they think a human is a naked endoskeleton, it’d make sense for them to also think that the endoskeletons should be put into suits, too.
But I see your point.
there's no way scott intended for them to actually recognize humans as endoskeletons.. jus the workers at fazbears trying to find a reason they're killing
In fnaf hw in the game over screen it has a chance to say “Nothing was ever proven in a court of law”
Someone got convicted for *something* at some point. Either that or this whole thing is the retcon. Not to mention, I can totally believe the game over screen from HW being an oversight.
@@Cryonide Pretty likely the Conviction or Puppet's Victim would be one of the two Retcons, yeah.
@@higueraft571 I’ve had this video in the background so idk if it’s addressed
But my theory is that Henry got convicted, not necessarily for murder but maybe William or someone took him to court over his unsafe animatronics
HW is fictional even in-universe and it is referring to the night guard's death in this instance(Phone Guy's death seemingly caused no legal issues either). Not even a real person that died in the story here, but the fictionalised character within the fiction.
@@Supahdenning ...this is a HUGE stretch, gonna be honest.
>and it is referring to the night guard's death in this instance
Any particular reason?
It seems you're looking at this almost entirely from HW's PoV and *not* the game it's showing (with assets from that game in the background).
In FNAF 1, there are only TWO instances this could be referring to:
- Phone Guy's Death (As you mentioned, seemingly no major incident over that, as FazEnt implies that he certainly *isnt* the first dead Nightguard, even in 1 alone)
- The MCI:
"While video surveliance identified the man responsible and led to his capture the following morning, the children themselves were never found and are presumed dead."
"While the suspect has been charged, the bodies were never found."
The former has little ground, as you mentioned, HOWEVER...
The latter is one of the only mentions of a court case prior to FNAF 6's "Legal Woes", of a VERY major event in the series' timeline.
If this is the Retcon, this changes it from:
"William Afton committed the MCI, and was convicted soon after."
to
"William Afton committed the MCI, was arrested/suspected, but they couldnt definitively stick him with the charges, and he escaped."
The latter is generally what would NEED to happen for Sister Location and FNAF 2 to occur, presumably. (And explain why William Afton would be using fake names after this point. Such as in the Novels, in the Movie, and presumably in FNAF 2 as well...)
The sound effect with Autobiography of a Yogi was from a from a sound library that Scott used, it was called alien sound effect or something like that. Scott definitely didn't intend it to mean anything when he used it but i guess it could be argued that it was happy accident and like many other things was added to the lore in post.
I’m starting to think that nothing in FNAF would ever get solved.
And with FNAF 1, it was given so much detail with The Week Before but we’re not close the truth yet. All I can say is a short answer:
Nope
What exactly IS still unsolved in FNAF 1?
@@higueraft571 The suspect of the Bite of 87, The year of FNAF 1, Puppet’s whereabouts.
I mean, yeah half of it has been solved, but the game as part of a grand story like this it’s still a mystery till this day
@@Cross_Corp64 >Puppet’s whereabouts
If we're dealing with ONLY Fnaf 1 info...
Then Puppet wouldnt exist.
If we're dealing with the series overall:
Scott confirmed that the Puppet is just... shoved in the back apparently, if i remember right?
Bite of 87 suspect DOES have a few options it's been narrowed down to, but it seems likely to be Foxy?
>The year of FNAF 1
This one, with the support of FNAF 2, seems VERY likely to be 1992.
Payday on Nov 12th, on a Thursday, Night 6 occurring on Friday the 13th. Complete with the Pay lining up with 1991-1996's.
Especially with the series overall, where the SB Fazfacts mentions it running from 88 to 93 (presumably shutting down Jan/Feb '93, as per the "end of year" mentioned).
However, two notable questions would probably be:
"Who's the CEO at the time?" and "What does "It's Me" mean, exactly?"
@@higueraft571 The CEO kinda really bugs me for many reasons. Both old and new lore.
And I assume “It’s Me” is a way of the animatronics response that has the vengeful tone towards adults.
Tbf, I’m not counter argue since the community is wanting to find the only right solution by doubling down on other peoples’ opinions.
@@Cross_Corp64I think think that it has to be crystal clear to be “solved”.
- The animatronic who did the bite doesn’t matter much, but mangle or foxy have always been the most likely
- The year of FNaF 1 had been generally accepted to be in the early 90s since it released, and the paycheck is the exact minimum wage for 1993
- The puppet is presumably just scrapped/in storage as of FNaF 1. They never really appear again physically after 2 except inside of Lefty in FNaF 6.
A video going over al the seeming contradictions in the lore would be pretty interesting to watch
8:30 in my eyes, they stuff people into suits (mainly adults) as they see the player as William and want him to suffer the same way they have by putting him also into a suit
I've thought this since the 2nd game cane out
I was always under the impression that this was the global consensus that most fans reached
YTTD assets and music within the first few seconds on this channel really is goated
15:16 I’ve heard theories that William pinned it on Henry and that’s why we don’t hear from Henry until pizza simulator
Golden Freddy crashes your game w/1987 on FNAF 1 because Scott was sick of people thinking they’d find something.
Hehe. I love the use of GarageBand. It's so refreshing to hear over the music almost everyone else uses.
Emulating the style of your turn to die is amazing!! Love your editing style and your points ❤️
“New videos are coming as soon as I can land on a topic” is so relatable
Great video!
I always kind of hated how the series kind of drifts away from things Fnaf 1 introduced. For instead if the missing kids were stuffed in the suits and then allowed to preform on stage with the corpses rotting in them then how is there no mention or news of the bodies being found in the withered animatronics in fnaf 2? Where did the corpses go? It's obvious the robots themselves didn't remove them so who did? Fazbear entertainment? Probably our best guess but still you'd think we'd hear about that somewhere within the company. Like a fazbear technician salvaging the withers would find evidence of a corpse, blood, hair, even bits of bone from the robots moving and crushing the limbs. This all of course is if we believe the child go missing before fnaf 1's location is built and the robots are rebuilt after the Toys are scrapped. I guess I always liked the idea of the robots smelling like death. Kind of immerses me in fnaf 2. God knows how bad those suits must smell.
The problem with that is the withered animatronics AREN’T the Fnaf 1 animatronics.
FNAF 2 is BEFORE FNAF 1 and while fnaf1 animatronics are implied to be BASED on the original design (before the toys) which would eventually become the withered… we’ve never actually seen the actual un-withered pre-toy OG animatronics.
Based on the information we have, the withered are already long gone by the time of FNAF 1, also insinuating that the MCI happens AFTER Fnaf 2…
Ultimately, it’s the result of a game being made with some VAGUE idea of a story behind it, and then that story having to be vastly expanded upon when the game is surprisingly, a hit. It’s also incredibly likely that the community and specifically the theorists influenced the story we ultimately have now… deviating from whatever the original skeleton of the idea was..
>then how is there no mention or news of the bodies being found in the withered animatronics in fnaf 2?
Why would FazEnt put themselves in DEEPER legal shit than they already were?
And why would they tell some random employee or leave such incriminating evidence lying around? Especially if the Saferooms being sealed is SPECIFICALLY an attempt to try and keep their asses safe :V
>Where did the corpses go?
Likely disposed of by Management, no idea where *exactly* but "away" where they wont be legally liable.
@ The Classics ARE the Withered's. The Week Before is implying that the Classic designs are they’re original design, basically that’s how they always looked. The reason the Unwithereds never existed is because the Withered's were never finish. Ralph mention that they we’re so ugly and smelly so they were scraped and use for parts for the Toys.
I always assumed Afton hid the bodies in the suits to hide them during the day, and when night came he disposed of the bodies, and when the bodies were in the suit that was enough time for agony remnant shit to happen.
@@iphoneT >and when night came he disposed of the bodies
Oh, yeah the Newspaper clippings kinda contradict this.
Those bodies were ABSOLUTELY in there long enough for the suits to get a strong (and long-lasting) corpse smell, alongside a blood/mucus ooze.
Likely enough time to outright start *rotting* to a decent degree.
This is amazing content for a channel your size! Such a great video man.
Dude I absolutely love how you put subtitles in your videos. I greatly appreciate the effort keep it up ☺️
I love the Your Turn To Die background music. It’s really keeping my attention
Fr, it’s fitting
I forget these games take place in my state lmao.
Lol
you live in fnaf
I don't think the "Autobiography of a Yogi" book is relevant at all to FNAF. It's a sound that Scott got online.
"Mr. Burke-Clay-did they ever find out who did it? I thought they arrested somebody.
So, what happened?” Lamar asked. There was a hush among the group, as if something very important were about to happen.
Yes, he said quietly. We did arrest someone. I did, in fact, and I am as sure now that he was guilty as I was then.
There were no bodies, Clay Burke said. We knew it was him; there was no doubt in my mind. But the children had disappeared, they were never found, and without their bodies... He stopped talking, staring off into the middle distance as if scarcely aware that they were there.
He hung up, not waiting for her to finish. Clay stared moodily, restlessly at the wall for a long moment, then he grabbed his coffee cup, and headed to the basement.
He didn’t have to search for the box of evidence from the Freddy’s disappearances; he had been here before. There was no one around, and so instead of taking it upstairs to his office, Clay sat down on the concrete floor, spreading papers and photographs around him. There were interviews, witness statements; reports from the on-scene officers, Clay included. He sifted through them aimlessly; he didn’t know what he was looking for. There was nothing new here.
There was nothing to find, really. They knew who did it. At first he had suspected Henry, just like so many others around town. It was a terrible thought, but it was a terrible crime; there was no solution that would not be shocking. He had not been the one to question Charlie’s father, but he had read the transcript. The man had been almost incoherent, so shaken that he could not give straight answers. He sounded as if he were lying, and to most people, that was proof enough. But Clay had resisted, delayed having him arrested, and sure enough, they came to William Afton, Henry’s partner. Afton seemed like the normal one in the venture, the businessman. Henry was the artist; he always seemed to be off in another world, some part of his mind thinking about his mechanical creatures even when he was holding a conversation about the weather, or the kids’ soccer games. There was something off about Henry, something almost shell-shocked; it seemed like a miracle that he could have produced a child as apparently normal as Charlie.
Clay remembered when Henry had moved to town and begun construction of the new restaurant. Someone had told him that Henry had a kid who was abducted several years prior, but didn’t know much else. He seemed like a nice enough guy, though he was obviously terribly alone, his grief visible even at a distance. Then Freddy Fazbear’s opened, and the town came alive. That was also when Charlie appeared; Clay hadn’t known Henry even had a daughter until that day.
William Afton was the one who made Freddy’s a business, as he had the previous restaurant. Afton was as robust and lively as Henry was withdrawn and shadowy. He was a hefty man, and had the ruddy geniality of a financially shrewd Santa Claus. And he had killed the children. Clay knew it; the whole department knew it. He had been present for each abduction. He had mysteriously and briefly vanished at the same time as each child went missing. A search of his house had found a room crammed with boxes of mechanical parts and a musty yellow rabbit suit, and stacks of journals full of raving paranoia, passages about Henry that ranged from wild jealousy to near-worship.
But there had been no evidence, there had been no bodies, and so there could be no charge. William Afton had left town, and there was nothing to stop him. They did not even know where he had gone."
this is NOT a retcon
the retcon could be that on the article, they refer the man not as a employee or the founder of the company
as if its a random person with no name, but when silver eyes came out this person was a employee + the business partnerr of the owner
I mean isn't the books a alternate universe?
@@senatorarmstrong1233and? It has the same rules from the games universe
But in the newspaper it says that the suspect was convicted, so that means that he still had to face punishment (stay in prison) if I understood it correctly.
@@LonelyHope23 they didn't found the bodies
so he woudn't stay on prision, they knew that it was him
It doesn't matter if the bodies weren't found. Being caught luring kids away on camera and them proceeding to go missing is still more than enough to give someone jail time for first degree kidnapping. If the dead bodies were found, it would only make his punishment more severe.
And yes, the Silver Eyes trilogy is an entirely alternate universe. Just because something is true there doesn't mean that it's true here (perfect examples being how Afton gets springlocked and the identities of the souls possessing the animatronics). Certain things will spill over for sure, but that doesn't mean that everything has to be default.
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I truly believe fnaf1 is a near perfect game. Its not the most complicated. It has many flaws. But its a masterclass in getting all it could out of its limited scope. It has the perfect mix of humor, maybe a little bit of unintentional camp, and scares, with a tempting dripfeeding of lore and stuff to catch you off guard like foxy moving on camera and golden freddy. I often laugh and scream simultaneously while playing it or watching playthroughs.
the YTTD music goes crazy
Real! I noticed the chair and then got distracted and started dancing
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You know, thinking back on it when Ralph calls it The Bite of '87, it's never once directly implied that was the only bite.
I think that the Fnaf1 and the fnaf2 location being the same place is the retcon. It changes nothing about the story, so it's easily missed, but we dont get any information about it until TWB. Phone says in FNAF2 he'll take the night shift when the place opens back up. TWB introduces vents into the FNAF1 location that were not a game mechanic until FNAF2. TWB states that the doors in the FNAF1 location were recently added. TWB also mentions boarded off sections of the restaurant (which is probable giving the location in FNAF2 was larger than the FNAF1 location). The Follow Me minigames in FNAF3 also show a boarded up section before afton dismantles the animatronics. It also makes the DCI/MCI argument moot since it's the same location. FNAF2 is also mentioned as being new and improved, not a brand new restaurant all together. Also, what better place to hide bodies than in suits that have been pulled apart for all the parts needed? It could also explain why we see the shadow animatronics for the first time in FNAF2.
I just think it's such a minute detail that really changes nothing about the story and it hasnt really been mentioned anywhere else until TWB.
If we got no info about it until TWB, then it's automatically not the retcon. Otherwise, he wouldn't have said that we didn't notice it. We'd have no way of noticing it because it was never even hinted in the OG games. And even then, none of that implies they're the same location. Like, the boarded up stuff just sounds like a connection to Follow Me, which explicitly has the FNAF1 layout, which is completely different from the FNAF2 layout.
fnaf storytelling is just scott elaborately improving. Yes anding with every new release lol
The retcon being the conviction is... Shaky at best? Because a conviction sadly doesn't actually tell us the truth of anything. We haven't seen the trial nor will we ever, and we don't know who the defendant actually was. A conviction can be wrong, and is far more than we would like. All that newspaper clipping says is that 5 kids went missing and were never found, someone was arrested and thrown in jail for it. It doesn't say it was William Afton, it doesn't say it was Henry Emily. It doesn't say anything. Just a vague someone. And I think that fits for Fazbear Entertainment. If they can't find the culprit (or worse, they know who it is and they're too important for the company), then SOMEONE has to take the fall for it and they will do everything in their power to pin it on them. Notably, the bodies were never found. You would think that the police would do EVERYTHING in their power to get that information out of someone. And if it was actually the killer, I think they could have cracked them. But since it wasn't, they would get nowhere because their supposed murderer doesn't know.
The killers conviction wouldn’t be the retcon because matpat made an entire video about it in his fnaf vr predictions
was not expecting this fnaf video to be made by meister yttd but it's a welcome suprise
The easiest FNAF lore was the one Scrimpus McGrimpus adapted in his analog horror tapes. It’s possibly the easiest and most “accurate” and linear form of the FNAF storytelling we could have
This is so random but the beat drop at 15:57 made me dance a bit
Have seen some people saying you should get a new editor or do it better, but i personally think it's good :D
I also got more excited than i should have when "Not So, Sou" played
I am a utahn, THANK YOU for pronouncing Hurricane correctly!!!
5:58 was not expecting to hear the Twelve OST I'm losing my mind XDXDXDXDXDXD
I don't think Golden Freddy did the Bite of 87 in FNAF 1, because the custom night thing was only added AFTER people started saying it would happen, it was a easter egg.
I just think the stories can be canon, but they take place at multiple locations over many different years.
11:45 At least is an exaggeration. You see the issue with claiming something introduced recently was intended originally or not is that we don't what Scott had wrote for the lore at any given point. We have what he tells us and shows us in the games but that won't cover everything. There may be no conceivable way for the detail to appear in the story, or elaborating on a certain mechanic just ends up eating time from the story and gameplay. I always circle back to that one confirmation Scott made after the FNAF 4 halloween update came out. "Nightmare BB fits into the story and can be considered canon."
In fact despite remnant only being formally defined in Frights, its first referenced in the SCUPE blueprint in FNAF 6 released only 3 years after FNAF 1, which is a blueprint of a device we see in SIster Location, released only 2 years after FNAF 1. Given Scott's inherent tendencies to Sci-Fi, that extend well beyond this franchise, its hardly inconceivable that he was playing around with an explanation of possession, in the same way he was thinking about how animatronic code can influence a spirit's behaviour, something else that gets elaborated on in Sister Location specifically.
My take on your retcon argument is Suspect Convicted newspaper doesn't work because it was both a common talking point in the fandom before 2017 including in that infamous game theory livestream which Scott and the only integration of the retcon we get is a line in The SIlver Eyes (an explicitly different continuity) and the purple guy still being active after the incident. That's hardly seamless even if people didn't notice it.
>its hardly inconceivable that he was playing around with an explanation of possession
Honestly, it's pretty likely he more or less just took the general real-world concept (Emotions and Memories make up the soul, they can Possess/be absorbed into things when someone dies, especially if it's Traumatic), and slapped a Label on it/adding an extra rule or two.
I wouldnt be shocked if the idea came from the Haunted Car one, in which a Vehicle someone dies in during a Crash mysterious turns itself on/drives around with nobody inside, a Spirit infused into the Metal...
watching these is making me want to replay yttd
Something I think that is entirely forgotten is that typing 1987 in the custom night didn't give you a Golden Freddy jumpscare originally, that was a featured added pretty quickly after the theories really started flowing in after people started spreading rumors that typing in 1987 would give you a secret cutscene revealing the bite, at least very rarely.
Scott's way of curtailing this was to simply have it trigger an event that would crash the game: the Golden Freddy jumpscare.
Honestly, returning to this after so many years, I'm glad I quit when I did. Remnant, mind control and magic metal, this series really went crazy the longer it went on.
3:40 Foxy actually always has his eyes glowing like that throughout the entire game.
12:53 Actually FNaF 1 does associate IT'S ME with Golden Freddy. When you encounter Golden Freddy during the Nightshift, IT'S ME hallucinations will always occur the moment you close the Camera Tablet after seeing the Golden Freddy Poster in Camera 2B - West Hall Corner.
Also something I'd like to point out is about the year of which FNaF 1 takes place in. When the game first released, MatPat connected the game to be somewhere from April 1990 - 1996 due to U.S. federal minimum wage, as in it was the closest pay to the actual pay in the game (And then he assumed 1993 due to his theory making a connection to a real-life incident that occurred in 1993.). One major problem with this is that the pay in the actual game is $4 per hour, while minimum wage was $4.25 per hour in that timeframe, which makes the 1990s illogical, but most people disregarded this, probably due to profit-at-all-cost practices that FazBear Ent. was implied to take later in the series, but logically with the evidence the first game alone provided, FNaF 1 could only take place in either 1987, 1988, or 1989, with 1989 being the most likely answer as it would fit the "many years ago" description given to the MCI in the newspapers best. And in The Week Before, a lot of pop culture references are made, and they supposedly all date to 1989 at the latest.
Henry is not a good enough explanation to the suspect being “convicted”, because in FNAF 2 and 3, well before Henry existed in the game, we see William being not in jail. Either that is the retcon, which it totally could be, or there’s an alternate explanation besides Henry (no Scott wasn’t thinking of Henry before Silver Eyes, and yes FNAF 3 represents a mostly clean bookend for the story so an explanation would exist at that point).
I think the animatronics believe that you are William Afton, since they are revengeful.
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It doesn’t say the employee was convicted, it just says he was charged
Just a thought, but maybe the security guards we play as are just those people. What is Mike was blamed & convicted of the killings? Especially after everyone knew he threw his little brother into the mouth of Fred Bear. Not sure how that lines up with the timeline though.
Edit: I just looked up the penalty for a minor in 1985/1986 convicted of murder. They were not given the death penalty nor life in prison. They would stay in a detention center until the court's chose to release them. It's possible with the murders continuing after Mike was incarcerated, the courts might have let him go. This would also add to the reason Mike is looking for his father and trying to set things right.
>with the murders continuing after Mike was incarcerated
There was only one murder, which could be classified as an Accident/unintentional killing.
It's partially on Michael and his friends shoving CC in Fredbear's mouth, but it's also VERY much on the owners of Fredbear's for making such a hazardous Machine, especially with no Warnings around.
@@higueraft571 I miss-spoke a little. I didn't mean killed ( but we all knew what was going on), but kidnappings and missing persons were still happening. I only bring up the Fred Bear incident because Hurricane is a small town. Everyone knows everyone. Rumors and false allegations by the town folk will spread. Even if it was an accident the people would look at the Afton's as insane and possibly murderers. So if it keeps happening the whole family will look guilty.
William, the sociopath that he is, could have manipulated Mike into claiming he killed those kids to save his own skin. Possibly could have used the Nightmare gas to make Mike hallucinate or dream that he actually committed the murders.
Just a thought though. I have no actual evidence for it.
@@torrigarnet >Even if it was an accident the people would look at the Afton's as insane and possibly murderers.
Definitely disagree. People WOULD side-eye Michael and his Friends, but it'd also be EXTREMELY clear to them that Michael never intended to kill him.
It'd absolutely become a Cautionary Tale though.
>So if it keeps happening the whole family will look guilty.
Though, problem is, when Afton opened CBPW (and CBEAR), it certainly got Attention at least, people visiting.
If he was more or less *seen* as guilty of it, i feel like people wouldnt be visiting his places at all. Let alone there being Shareholders/a Board of sorts.
Especially when these have to take place AFTER the MCI...
9:54 love the attention to detail there ;)
Okay, it needs to be said:
The 1987 Custom Night game over "secret" was patched in *later* to put an end to the rumor that there was a secret ending for beating it on said setting. It was not meant as a clue itself.
I just wanna say, I like the video, but I swear the golden Freddy 1987 jumpscare was added cuz people made rumours about entering 1987 and scott wanted to fuck with people, maybe I'm just misremembering it, I'm not even a fnaf fan anymore, I just really like the first game, nice video btw, I relaly enjoyed it :)
I think yes. While some questions have been raised at the identity of Golden Freddy, I think it’s generally been resolved. And with the release of the book about Phone Guy, all the questions raised in FNAF 1 have been answered, for now.
The 1987 custom night jumpscare Easter egg wasn’t present in the game on release, Scott added it to the game as a prank in response to community rumors/hoaxes that something would happen if you put 1987 into the custom night difficulty selection
I think the retcon was in fnaf 4 where it went from a coma to a bunker experiment
I don't really see that being the case,
because of the fact that it was in the lead up to pizzeria Sim where the one Retcon was mentioned, though i do believe he's made several more since then and people need to stop acting like Scott has only Retcond one thing we just do know what.
My personal Theories are that it's either the puppets Gender being Reconned, Mangle being funtime foxy, and my current personal believed to be the answer Theory, the original assumption that golden Freddy was the suit used as the lure
@@sebay4654 >the puppets Gender being Reconned
It's pretty likely this, actually.
It's one of the ONLY solid pieces of information that was directly contradicted.
FNAF 2 showed a boy being murdered outside by William, while "SAVE HIM"
While FNAF 6 distinctly makes this same murder victim/minigame involve Charlie, a "her".
Both are tied directly to the Puppet.
Mangle being Funtime Foxy... i dont see too much evidence for this, aside from the similar color schemes.
Golden Freddy being used by the MCI Killer initially IS possible, but it was *never* stated to be the case. However what's very likely is that GFreddy *was* used for the DCI, a separate killing 2 years later (As Spring Bonnie is still within the FNAF 1/MCI Location's Saferoom at this time).
The only other thing i could see being a Retcon being the "Convicted" portion of the Clippings in 1.
the yttd ost goes SO FUCKING HARD i swear
13:39 what if im into that
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HOLY SHIT YTTD REFERENCE
The retcon seemed to be golden Freddy biting two kids instead of one.
The Week Before is the first book to mention the Fnaf 2 location
It's pretty obivious that when you type "1987" you get jumpscared by golden freddy. Golden freddy caused the bites of 87 what was probally in 1987.
Mike Schmidt got fired twice for odor. Like bro take a damn bath man 😭
For The longest time (since 2014 and until this video) didn’t even know who the hell was the Phone Guy and now I know his name is Ralph.
In HW I think I remember one of the death messages being nothing was ever proven in court, which may be evidence to prove that this is what the retcon is
10:17 And... Foxy. His FNaF 4 teaser has **87** inscribed into his eye.
Also, FNaF World Mobile implies that there was an animatronic who caused the Bite to happen, and there was another that did the actual Bite itself. So, one of the spirits in FNaF 1's Yellow Bear causing Foxy to bite someone-
Where was this implied?
@@Virusest FNaF World Mobile's clock ending has the one who caused the Bite to happen to talk to us, and specifically says they caused it to happen, not that they were the one to do the Bite.
The Week Before also states that something other than Foxy provoked the Bite, but couldn't get any information besides that out of the victim.
The usage of "It's Me" further implies a form of ShatterVictim, with this including Foxy. And, since "It's Me" is heavily associated with the Yellow Bear, who is associated with the Crying Child... and the FNaF 1 1987 Easter egg... it's highly likely that he caused this Bite, likely in retaliation of his own 1983 Bite incident, with FNaF 4's teasers even linking the two bites; Cause and effect.
And, since the Crying Child created the Flipside, where FNaF World takes place, it's highly likely that he's the speaker who said they caused the Bite. They even cause Freddy to bite Ralph's frontal lobe in a TWB ending.
9:54 i love the detail you did there with using both he and she pronouns with mangle like Scott does lol
i personally think Brussel's FNAF timeline is the closest to Scott's intended story. id recommend giving it a watch and showing him some support
Scott cawthon is like that one asshole english teacher that has you look into every single detail about everything and makes you do a research paper
Isn't the retcon super mega definitely Dream Theory?
There was a big live stream back around FNAF 4's time with a ton of FNAF Theorists all together to discuss FNAF stuff, and Scott showed up and started dropping hints for them to dissect and theorize about... And all of those hints VERY HEAVILY pointed to Dream Theory, which was something FNAF 4 itself also pointed to several times.
Scott also said (granted it's been a long time since I read about this so I may not get his wording exactly right) that he made Sister Location specifically because people weren't satisfied with FNAF 4's lore, and Sister Location contains a rather awkward and ham fisted appearance of the FNAF 4 bedroom on the cameras. Everything about Dream Theory highly suggests it was the retcon.
The only issue is that it's kinda shaky with how Scott describes the retcon. Many people noticed Dream Theory, although I'm not sure how many people noticed it being retconned, so he could be referring to that, and I would argue that Dream Theory was not retconned seamlessly at all (granted I haven't read the books so maybe they go more into detail on FNAF 4 there), but Dream Theory being retconned isn't really talked about all that much, so maybe it was seamless just in that nobody noticed it?
I dunno, but the only possible explanation I can come up with for Scott's hints in that live stream is Dream Theory. I can't think of any other interpretation for that live stream, but since Dream Theory clearly isn't canon now, it must've been retconned, or he was trolling the theorists but like why would he do that? I don't think it was a troll, so he was genuinely hinting at Dream Theory being the canon answer, but it's not the canon answer now, and he made Sister Location specifically because people didn't like the FNAF 4 lore... it all SUPER sounds like Dream Theory was retconned, and I can't think of a retcon that could be more major than everything being fake to the point that he would point to it as THE retcon over something as major as Dream Theory.
No. Dream Theory was never true. His hints do not lead to it at all. Game Theory just erroneously assumed things like "oh, this toy Chica is missing her beak like the real one... DREAM", and everyone else followed suit. Before SL even came out, FNAF World tied CC's fate to Happiest Day (which 4 already did, but people ignored that because of DT), meaning it was real and happened, and wasn't a dream. Nevermind how Dream Theory never had a single explanation for the final scene of FNAF4 and what "put you back together" meant. Especially if it's true (according to MatPat) that Scott sent MatPat another hint at the time regarding the identity of the security guards, which has nothing to do with Dream Theory, but most likely has to do with the fact that Michael was always the one having the nightmares since FNAF4's release, not CC.
The notion that Scott backed down from his original story because people didn't like it has always been a myth that fans created for themselves.
@@damkylan3 Scott's hints on that live stream were "In the FNaF4 minigame, why would the tiny toy chica be missing her beak?", "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child.", and "Four games. One story." I can't figure out what these could be pointing to other than Dream Theory, but if you have an explanation for all three of those, I would genuinely love to hear it.
Looking into it more, I can't find direct confirmation that Sister Location specifically happened because people didn't like the FNAF 4 lore, but there were steam posts from Scott insisting that FNAF 5 would NOT happen, and then in an interview with Dawko, he directly talks about how people weren't happy with FNAF 4's lore, after talking about how FNAF 3 had some stuff left that people weren't satisfied with, (seemingly implying that's what led to FNAF 4's creation, which makes sense, as he ALSO said that FNAF 3 would be the last game back when that one released), which together does seem to imply that Sister Location happened because people weren't happy with Dream Theory being true.
I can't think of any other interpretation of the lore at the time that people would've been unhappy with, and Scott simply calling it "FNAF 4's lore" and not "a popular theory/interpretation" or something seems to imply that whatever it was was canon, or at the very least, his fault for leading people to assume it.
Reason for them attacking you is because they think your Willam afton
I like the conviction theory a lot! My one hang up about it though is that the newspaper clippings do have typos in them (such as Pizzeria being spelled with an A instead of an E, and the traditional spelling being used for the rest of the series, and also the word Threatened missing an R). In my mind, it makes it likely that the word "convicted" was just a mistake
Personally I think that the retcon was Mike and Crying Child originally not being Purple Guy's children.
1:45 I could say all the voice line from the phone guy if you want :)
Please do
@sreedev8250 Hello Hello um i wanted to record a message for you to help you getting settle on your first night um i actually work in that office before you i'm finishing up my last week now as a matter of fact so i know it can be a bit overwhelming but i can tell you there nothing to worry about you will do fine so let just focus on getting through your first week? ok first there is the introductory greeting from the company that i'm suppose to read it's kinda like legal thing you know um welcome to freddy fazbear pizza a magical place for kids and grown up alike where fantasy and fun come to life fazbear entertainment is not responsible for damage or property or person upon discovering a person may have been missing a missing report will be fill within 90 days as soon as the property as been completely clear and bleach and the carpet have been replace blah blah blah now it may sound bad i know but there really nothing to worry about um the animatronic characters here to get a bit quirky at night but do i blame them? no if i force to sing those same stupid for 20 years and never got a bath i will probably get irritated a night too so just remember these characters hold a special place in the hearts of children you need to show them a little respect right ok? so just be aware the character to tent to wonder a bit they left some kind of free roaming mode at night something about they curvos locking up if they get turn off for to long they use to be able to walk around the day too but then there was the bite of 87, it's amazing how a body can live without a frontal lob you know now conserning your own safety as a watch man is the thing is the fact that these character if they happened to see you after hour probably won't recognize you as a person they most likely see as a endoskeleton without it's costume on now since this is against the rules here at freddy fazbear pizza they probably try to forcely stuff you inside a freddy fazbear suit now that won't be so bad if the suit themselves weren't fill with crossbeam wires and animatronic devices especially around the facial area so you can imaging having your face forcely stuff inside one of those could cause a bit of discomfort and death this only thing they would probably see the light of day would be your eye balls and teeth poping out of the mask eh eh yea they don't tell you these things when you sign up but hey first night would be breeze i talk to you tomorrow just check the camera and remember to close the door when absolutely necessary gotta conserve power alright good night
that the fnaf 1 phone guy night 1 script i said from memory if some words have grammar issue that because i ain't america or british
I think the bite of 87 was originally fredbear but when Scott expanded the story he changed it from 87 to 83 and the bite of 87 was the mangle bite
quick comment for feedback: try edit the music to be under your voice so it's less busy to the ears, or choose softer music for some of the segments like beginning. other than that, great video !
7:07 that's totally not true because in the backstage room there's literally an endoskeleton sitting on the table
Well yeah, that's the storage room. There's where the disabled endoskeletons *would* all go. It makes sense if they're an exception.
One issue with saying that golden freddy is associated with 1987 is that... the 1987 crash wasnt originally in the game, it was added as a joke. And its very likely that the reason he used the golden freddy jumpscare is because it already crashed the game when played.
I think there has been way more than just one retcon
9:56 I like how you first adress Mangle as a male but then as a female because the gender is not given.
13:38 this whole time i thought the guy sitting on the chair was phone guy
12:36 you’d be surprised how often police negligence/stupidity causes them to just miss or ignore very obvious things they shouldn’t have missed irl 😂 especially the farther back you go in history
great video :D
I thought the premise of this video was to look at fnaf 1, its clues and see what they say, but you're already discussng remnent in 7:37
Option C at 8:00 is pretty likely considering they want to do the same thing to Abby, whether or not it be Afton making them.
FNAF 1-3 was when I was invested in the lore when 4 was released I started to be indifferent about it and didn't care about anything past SL
I like the simple and dark story of a deranged serial killer accidentally bringing his victims back to "life" by hiding their bodies in animatronics and the story concluding with their spirits being set free after they end up killing him with Springbonnie suit
none of that "I build a circus with robots to kill children", "I always come back", and Burntrap bullcrap
Wait, what if William Afton returned to dismantle the FNAF 1 animatronics for the "Follow me" mini game as revenge for the spirits almost blowing his cover and getting him arrested/jailed
I will add that fnaf pizzaria sim it states you're a franchise owner so it could still take place in Utah but like there's franchised locations all over the country of some businesses even small ones
I NEED A FNAF TWO VIDEO!!!
14:47 Jury, not Judge
My lack of legal knowledge is showing…
Though it doesn’t really change anything in regards to the point I was making, so I guess it’s fine.
I have been to Hurricane, Utah.
3:17 so you’re saying they’re… hyper realistic