Hey Boy's ,Good job! My brother and I have been prospecting and mining for almost 40 years. We learned from an old prospector that had been at it for another 50. Never thought the people of this country would allow this kind of bullshit,pansy ass,ball less milktoast, creepy, crap to happen. We have fought with USFS.BLM , just about every acronym you can think of. My brother is still openly dredging in California and they won't touch him. I believe that with the new administration coming in ,these slimeballs are worried about their jobs going bye bye. They cost us a lot in down time,hassles and just plain bullshit. What pisses me off the most is they took the fun out of prospecting and dredging. So, payback , lets take the fun out of their lives for awhile. Piss poor excuse for a man taking another mans rights by calling it HIS JOB. Any how I'll be donating and joining soon. Keep the faith !
“You can’t dredge on your own property because you haven’t filed a Plan of Operations with us, peasant!” (My interpretation of what the USFS lackey was essentially saying.) Give these bureaucrats any more leeway and you won’t be able to take a sh*t unless you file a Plan of Operations with them.
I did,nt see any signs stating the river or creek was restricted are zoned off from dredging or mining or no trespassing......without being posted with a Federal Code restricted sign on the property the miners have the rights to continue with their work.......
Good job AMRA, had problems with a ranger district in Colorado one year. Started caring copy of official USFS policy in my pocket to counter over zealous folks. Keep up the great videos.
So where is this now? Did he get sued? I sure hope so. These people are out of control and need people like you to show them that they do not have carte blanc to do what ever they feel like, like they are doing currently.
That was AWESOME! I am so glad that you educated him on case law. Now it is on record. For him to insinuate that supreme court cases are not relevant was gold. I hope you sue him in civil court so he will not do it again. He was not an attorney and should have had an attorney present if he was unsure, geologists are not experts on law, just minerals. If you had signed those papers it would insinuate that you acknowledged their authority and you might have signed away your rights. Never sign something if you are unsure. If you sign something, you may be signing away your rights. Please update this if you can.
As a recreational miner during the winter months, I find this quite disturbing to the taxpayers. I live in Texas and I prospect AZ, NV, CO, MT. I'm a retired truck driver. I will join your organization. I believe it was a retaliatory strike against you as well because you expressed your rights. This is an out right abuse of power!
Looks like Mr. Hughes tried to be more intimidating with that first miner. He sure was sure as h*ll a lot more meek when he tried that crap with AMRA! God bless you guys!
This junior G man first had a degree in geology a science that deals with the land, minerals, plate tectonics, volcanos and anything to do with the Earth. It seems he was trying to effect a shutdown because he claimed the dredge was harming the fish. That conflict was beyond his area of expertise because the science of geology deals with the earth and not living systems. The science that deals with the fish is biology a degree which he does not have. It would first take a qualified biologist to determine any damage to a living organism. Then it would require a right, a power given from a law. I do not know the law in this matter, but it seems the geologist was out of his field of expertise. Third it would also require a punishment or fine as some laws do not have punishments or fines. An example is the law that the head of house hold must own a fire arm in Kennesaw, Georgia. This law has no punishment so there is nothing to enforce. The police can not arrest a citizen in Kennesaw for not having a fire arm. Last the agent must have the authority to enforce the law. A State Wildlife Officer has a badge and a gun can is duly authorized by the state where he patrols to apprehend and arrest a citizen for failing to comply with the law. The biologist had no badge, gun or uniform either for that matter so I doubt he had any authorization to enforce any statute, to arrest a citizen or enforce anything. I think in that situation I may have politely told him to have sex with himself.
great vid! my question is ..I'm the vid folks say we are on private property..I also hear folks say it's a federal mining claim...which is it? or is it both? Thanks for battleing these feds
It is a Federal mining claim, it is not private property...meaning anyone can camp, fish, hike etc... on the claim, the mining claim owner owns the mineral rights. It is on public lands.
I really enjoyed how when you presented factual information that was outside the teeny little box he exists in, he would hesitate and then circle back to his little rehearsed speech. Squirm and learn, mr. federal agent man
just an fyi, I have been unsubscribed 2x now in the month since I subscribed to your channel. Heads up to all other subscribers on this issue :) take care
I have a different question. If I built a dredge with 2 suction hoses would the size of the dredge be doubbled? Say a 4 inch dredge with 2- 4 inch suction hoses would that be considered a 8 inch leagaly?
Great video guys, thansk for working hard to protect mining rights. Dont know what the status is in 2019 but im hoping your work has kept miners rights open.
Good job guys! I consider self a strong environmentalist (not that it has anything to do with this anyway it seems) this type of agency/authority overreach is WAY OUT OF CONTROL. I hope legal action was indeed carried out against Hughes and others involved. There has to be consequences for this sort of abuse of power.
Amazing how people that aren't held accountable degrade into ideological idiots. Also, I would imagine if the miners did submit a plan as they state is required they have the ability to simply deny any plan as they see fit.
guys a geologist and says "i dont even know how to run this rig" wtf kinda geologist doesnt know how to operate a gasoline powered dredge....thats kinda like saying you dont know how to start a lawnmower . . . so sick and tired of idiots and power brokers making it illegal to dig a hole in the woods and make an HONEST living. its getting to the point here in oregon where in order to mine you have to go around like secret operatives or else risk a 6 month or so jail sentence....for trying to make a living.
Why don't you just ignore him and go back to dredging? If you don't take the letter from him and you refused to give them your names and the sheriff is on your side and the only legal recourse he has to force you to do anything is that sheriff then why are you even worried about him?
In 1998 I graduated High School only 2 go to CC college & have my heart broken. I was going for an A/S degree N Drafting & Design. I am now unemployed & due 2 an injury bac n 2010 I am disabled but the US Gov. denied my app 4 a disability paychek (I am partially disabled, but still..). Just because it has been over 10 yrs. since I last filed income taxes (form 1040 EZ) the rules state that I cannot apply again.. at least not n a way where I get a paychek.. 10 yr. limit. It was on the US Gov. SS website where I can C my report 4 retirement SS.. if I ever get there.. once I log N. I am so tired of the US Gov. power tripping these days.. bac N 1970 it was OK. But ever since 1990 Florida at least, if not the whole US, has gotten 2 a sad point with certain rules/laws. Things such as building codes.. which should b there 4 safety ONLY n a minimal way. But not 2 the point where it interferes with the design/creative process of homes.. 4 instance. Ex. there is a rule that a wall cannot b thicker than about 1 foot.. now what does that have 2 do with safety.. it does not! @Eidsmore on Twitter
Constitutional federal authority in a state is Article 1. Section 8, P 17 ten miles square and authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of magazines, arsenals, dock yards, and other needful buildings... "The Congress had authority to create territorial governments prior to a new state was admitted as authorized by Article VI, All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the confederation." US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 1. Admission of new states was a plan under the Articles of Confederation and made a part of the US Constitution in Article VI. In that plan congress was to pull out of the new state and follow Article 1, Section 8. The only other authority provided for in the US Constitution is found in Article IV, Section 3 and that is to dispose of the territorial claims in the new states. There is not Amendment created to alter Article VI. The presence of the federal government in the Interior is unconstitutional and therefore unlawful. The plan included The Land Survey Ordinance 1785, and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 and followed until mineral wealth discoveries plus Reservations in the west. By losing the territorial authority Congress would no longer have authority over the western mineral wealth so it created the Department of Interior giving it teritorial authority without an amendment. I'm going to join you on Facebook.
What's hypocritical is that the large mines are leaving behind leaching ponds and pollution that is ACTUALLY doing harm to the environment. The guy they sent would probably even agree. He's in the position to be voicing about the tyranny.
That right hit them in their pockets thats the only way Policy is not law and forget those supervisers ammendment Thank you for standing up for are rights
Hi. I am glad that AMRA stick up for the miner, you are doing an excellent work. I am sure that if there was a miner, who did not have the backing of AMRA. he would be forced off the river, and possibility would land up in the courts. I am from Wales, UK. We have similar problems, that government don't take kindly to metal detectorists here in the UK. Thank's. Danny. DannyHDavies. FaceBook.
it's becoming obvious that Clint has not been around the block much .... someone told Clint to do something ... so he did something, and he says it was his decision(didn't sound very convincing when he said it), ... not a good move when a supervisor probably pushed him to do whatever was needed, and intends to let Clint take responsibility for his own actions(?).
Yeah. I felt sorry for the guy. He was nervous, out of his depth and clearly didn't really want to be there handing out pieces of paper when he could have been doing something closer to his calling. :-/ Still, I admire how both sides were courteous in what was a contentious situation. Here in Australia, us prospectors and fossickers have similar issues with opponents to our activities and as a result have formed various associations that work with government bureaucrats in an advisory capacity, to oppose unjust rules and regulations, and educate the public. Unfortunately our recreational pastime (and in some cases, livelihood), is used as a political football, with politicians from both ends of the spectrum (left and right) abusing freedoms and commonsense in their quest for political power.
Trying to figure out why they're trying to shut down recreational mining anyways. For Maya stand by moving the materials around and creating the pools that we do we're actually improving the habitat for the fish
Wow...that geologist is feeling his oats.... I have faced morons like him in past over housing, property bounds, even having a few go as far as demanding a lot of additional work and expense for construction permits (which was ignored btw).... I hope you sue the cap out of him personally.
Mr. Hughs cannot manage/enforce mining ops when he is unfamiliar with the law. take them to court and require USFS to provide a QUALIFIED geologist that is up to date on all the law to do the job. I doubt they'll find many geologists (if any!) who are mining law experts as well. Maybe they should hire a MINER!
To: AMRA, Re: "RIGHT(s)___ If a "legal" right is a right that is "granted" by the promulgation of an act, code, contract, decree, decision, directive, holding, judgment, law, opinion, order, ordinance, proclamation, statute, or writ which was promulgated (created and enacted) by an administrative, executive, judicial or legislative governmental body (creator)... is it then accurate, correct, and true that said creator has the ability to repeal and revoke such "granted" legal right at its discretion according to the will of the people (the people's voice / the government)?___ And if such "granted" legal right can in fact be repealed and revoked by the creator... is it then also accurate, correct, and true that said "granted" legal right is actually considered to be a mere "privilege." And even though a "privilege" is defined as... "A particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens"... said "privilege" is still revocable by the creator at the creator's discretion.___ And if a "granted privilege" may be repealed or revoked at the discretion of the creator (government)... is it then also accurate, correct, and true to consider that such "granted privilege" is not held at the same hierarchical authority as that of an "inherent" right wherein an "inherent" right is one that is bestowed upon each individual at birth such as the right to: life, liberty, happiness, choice of religion, etc. which said "inherent rights" are inalienable?___ An example of an "inherent right" is that of an individual who has the "right to travel" from point 'A' to point 'B' anywhere on this planet without interference from any licensing agencies or any other persons.___ Such an inherent "right to travel" may be that of a trail-hiker (a person who likes to hike open trails) which said "right to travel" is further supported by the following "inherent rights": the "right of privacy" and the "right of way" thereby allowing a trail-hiker to hike through any lands without interference and without causing harm or nuisance to the lands whether the lands are owned privately or publicly.___ Further commentaries: During Shannon's conversation with Clint Hughes (U.S. Forest Service Geologist) the first statement asserted by Shannon is, "We are not causing a significant disturbance".___ However, some of the images in the beginning of this video show the suction-dredging operation removing large volumes of undisturbed natural river-bed gravels creating deep unnatural holes in the river-bed and displacing the processed classified tailings from those deeply dredged-out holes randomly to other parts of the river-bed creating unnatural raised levees on the river-bed which is completely repugnant to the natural ecology and natural formation of the river.___ Perhaps gold mining suction-dredging operations could be reinstated if the suction-dredge miners could engineer and implement a method to properly replace the processed classified tailings back to their original location within the river-bed in order to restore the river-bed to its original and natural undisturbed condition without leaving any deeply dredged-out holes and randomly raised levees as a result of the suction-dredging operations?___ Thank you Shannon for all you do for AMRA and its members.
You'd think the Govt should be happy Gold is being put back into the system by small miners. Helps the country Also Less than 100 Cubic Yards is not significant disturbance Quote- All persons who propose any activity that results in a discharge of dredged material, dredging, or dredged material disposal greater than 100 cubic yards to waters subject to regulation by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission or other federal agency, must obtain a 401 Water Quality Certification for Dredging Activities.
Minor point but a mineral claim means the minerals are your property not the land. Don't get the idea I want dredging stopped I love prospecting but we have to make correct arguments. How many land owners over the years have had their land torn up by some minerals company because that company had mineral rights. I think you should be required to take before and after pictures and show you did your reclamation work before end of season.
Clint dug a huge hole, question did he actually have a plan of operation? Don’t think so looks like he was just a digging wherever and however. CLINT, You are in violation
He and the Forest Supervisor have overstepped their authority. Mr. Hughes is wrong on what constitutes a "Plan of Operation!" I was a Minerals Technician and performed the work of the District Geologist for over ten years. This is the outright enforcement of personal ideologies that are currently held popular with the majority of Forest Service personnel trained by liberal colleges. If you are a conservative Forest Service employee you have to just keep your mouth shut or risk being fired, or blacklisted from possible workplace advancement... Idaho County Sheriff Doug Giddings - Suction Dredge Mining 03 Feb 2014: th-cam.com/video/oD2ng62KH9k/w-d-xo.html
I am claim owner in New Zealand and yes we have to jump through hoops to do what we have to to dredge legally. I can't understand why you waste your time with the USFS muppet if you are legally able to mine. Tell him to piss off and go dredging. You have vested in travel and god knows what else to do your mining and time is precious. The sound quality on your recording isn't the best but the gist of the matter is I think he is trying to baffle you with bullshit hoping you'all will bugger off well like I said if you are all legal etc go dredging and don't waste your time with them.
Hey Boy's ,Good job! My brother and I have been prospecting and mining for almost 40 years. We learned from an old prospector that had been at it for another 50. Never thought the people of this country would allow this kind of bullshit,pansy ass,ball less milktoast, creepy, crap to happen. We have fought with USFS.BLM , just about every acronym you can think of. My brother is still openly dredging in California and they won't touch him. I believe that with the new administration coming in ,these slimeballs are worried about their jobs going bye bye. They cost us a lot in down time,hassles and just plain bullshit. What pisses me off the most is they took the fun out of prospecting and dredging. So, payback , lets take the fun out of their lives for awhile. Piss poor excuse for a man taking another mans rights by calling it HIS JOB. Any how I'll be donating and joining soon. Keep the faith !
“You can’t dredge on your own property because you haven’t filed a Plan of Operations with us, peasant!” (My interpretation of what the USFS lackey was essentially saying.)
Give these bureaucrats any more leeway and you won’t be able to take a sh*t unless you file a Plan of Operations with them.
OUTSTANDING work, Shannon and AMRA!
I totally admire your knowledge and attitude. We need to clone you a few thousand times.
I think Clint was very cordial. He was simply doing his job. And his job is wrong!!!! I’m sick to death of bureaucrats, even nice ones.
I did,nt see any signs stating the river or creek was restricted are zoned off from dredging or mining or no trespassing......without being posted with a Federal Code restricted sign on the property the miners have the rights to continue with their work.......
This is why I go small, I go battery powered and quiet ... And nobody knows ... ghost gold !
Good job AMRA, had problems with a ranger district in Colorado one year. Started caring copy of official USFS policy in my pocket to counter over zealous folks. Keep up the great videos.
So where is this now? Did he get sued? I sure hope so. These people are out of control and need people like you to show them that they do not have carte blanc to do what ever they feel like, like they are doing currently.
Shannon Poe lost in court and was fined $150k.
@@craigborrenpohl1233in a civil suit from a environmental organization
That was AWESOME! I am so glad that you educated him on case law. Now it is on record. For him to insinuate that supreme court cases are not relevant was gold. I hope you sue him in civil court so he will not do it again. He was not an attorney and should have had an attorney present if he was unsure, geologists are not experts on law, just minerals. If you had signed those papers it would insinuate that you acknowledged their authority and you might have signed away your rights. Never sign something if you are unsure. If you sign something, you may be signing away your rights. Please update this if you can.
Your awesome way to bust that guys ball with the facts,glad your out there,Thank you.
Way to stand your ground guys
I'll be joining AMRA asap, and hope to meet you out in the field one day
I am so glad I got to watch this video. Thanks for standing tall for us!
As a recreational miner during the winter months, I find this quite disturbing to the taxpayers. I live in Texas and I prospect AZ, NV, CO, MT. I'm a retired truck driver. I will join your organization. I believe it was a retaliatory strike against you as well because you expressed your rights. This is an out right abuse of power!
Yes it is.
Looks like Mr. Hughes tried to be more intimidating with that first miner. He sure was sure as h*ll a lot more meek when he tried that crap with AMRA! God bless you guys!
The words "im just doing my job"/"just following orders" have been the prefix to countless egregious acts against humankind.
Nazis
This junior G man first had a degree in geology a science that deals with the land, minerals, plate tectonics, volcanos and anything to do with the Earth. It seems he was trying to effect a shutdown because he claimed the dredge was harming the fish. That conflict was beyond his area of expertise because the science of geology deals with the earth and not living systems. The science that deals with the fish is biology a degree which he does not have. It would first take a qualified biologist to determine any damage to a living organism. Then it would require a right, a power given from a law. I do not know the law in this matter, but it seems the geologist was out of his field of expertise. Third it would also require a punishment or fine as some laws do not have punishments or fines. An example is the law that the head of house hold must own a fire arm in Kennesaw, Georgia. This law has no punishment so there is nothing to enforce. The police can not arrest a citizen in Kennesaw for not having a fire arm. Last the agent must have the authority to enforce the law. A State Wildlife Officer has a badge and a gun can is duly authorized by the state where he patrols to apprehend and arrest a citizen for failing to comply with the law. The biologist had no badge, gun or uniform either for that matter so I doubt he had any authorization to enforce any statute, to arrest a citizen or enforce anything.
I think in that situation I may have politely told him to have sex with himself.
UNBELIEVABLE !!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!
Civil matter.... had me rolling on the ground !!
That's fantastic! Well done!
Thank you Mr. Poe you rock!
great vid! my question is ..I'm the vid folks say we are on private property..I also hear folks say it's a federal mining claim...which is it? or is it both? Thanks for battleing these feds
It is a Federal mining claim, it is not private property...meaning anyone can camp, fish, hike etc... on the claim, the mining claim owner owns the mineral rights. It is on public lands.
I really enjoyed how when you presented factual information that was outside the teeny little box he exists in, he would hesitate and then circle back to his little rehearsed speech. Squirm and learn, mr. federal agent man
just an fyi, I have been unsubscribed 2x now in the month since I subscribed to your channel. Heads up to all other subscribers on this issue
:) take care
This is great stuff. Thank you
I have a different question. If I built a dredge with 2 suction hoses would the size of the dredge be doubbled? Say a 4 inch dredge with 2- 4 inch suction hoses would that be considered a 8 inch leagaly?
Great video guys, thansk for working hard to protect mining rights. Dont know what the status is in 2019 but im hoping your work has kept miners rights open.
Good job guys! I consider self a strong environmentalist (not that it has anything to do with this anyway it seems) this type of agency/authority overreach is WAY OUT OF CONTROL. I hope legal action was indeed carried out against Hughes and others involved. There has to be consequences for this sort of abuse of power.
Great Vid!!!!
I wouldn't have even come out of the water he would of had to swim out to me
"Just doing my job."...and "they" all are...with pension and benefits continued to be paid by taxpayers...
Interesting to watch this now after reading about the court decision and fine of $150,000.
Can you tell me how can I get a copy of the video clip as my collection ?
thanks for making this video
Amazing how people that aren't held accountable degrade into ideological idiots. Also, I would imagine if the miners did submit a plan as they state is required they have the ability to simply deny any plan as they see fit.
We dont have to do a plan of operation no more high courts ruling
guys a geologist and says "i dont even know how to run this rig" wtf kinda geologist doesnt know how to operate a gasoline powered dredge....thats kinda like saying you dont know how to start a lawnmower . . .
so sick and tired of idiots and power brokers making it illegal to dig a hole in the woods and make an HONEST living. its getting to the point here in oregon where in order to mine you have to go around like secret operatives or else risk a 6 month or so jail sentence....for trying to make a living.
Why don't you just ignore him and go back to dredging? If you don't take the letter from him and you refused to give them your names and the sheriff is on your side and the only legal recourse he has to force you to do anything is that sheriff then why are you even worried about him?
I hate the Government and want to get involved. Time to drain the swamp
yeah and thats how you deal with rent a cops teach them the law it terrible well done for putting him in his place. much respect
Where do I find my permit? For Idaho
But yet when the state needs something done they hire a huge company and dredge as they please
Got the same problem with the state & fs trying to recover sunken timber!
In 1998 I graduated High School only 2 go to CC college & have my heart broken. I was going for an A/S degree N Drafting & Design. I am now unemployed & due 2 an injury bac n 2010 I am disabled but the US Gov. denied my app 4 a disability paychek (I am partially disabled, but still..). Just because it has been over 10 yrs. since I last filed income taxes (form 1040 EZ) the rules state that I cannot apply again.. at least not n a way where I get a paychek.. 10 yr. limit. It was on the US Gov. SS website where I can C my report 4 retirement SS.. if I ever get there.. once I log N. I am so tired of the US Gov. power tripping these days.. bac N 1970 it was OK. But ever since 1990 Florida at least, if not the whole US, has gotten 2 a sad point with certain rules/laws. Things such as building codes.. which should b there 4 safety ONLY n a minimal way. But not 2 the point where it interferes with the design/creative process of homes.. 4 instance. Ex. there is a rule that a wall cannot b thicker than about 1 foot.. now what does that have 2 do with safety.. it does not! @Eidsmore on Twitter
Constitutional federal authority in a state is Article 1. Section 8, P 17 ten miles square and authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of magazines, arsenals, dock yards, and other needful buildings...
"The Congress had authority to create territorial governments prior to a new state was admitted as authorized by Article VI, All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the confederation." US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 1.
Admission of new states was a plan under the Articles of Confederation and made a part of the US Constitution in Article VI. In that plan congress was to pull out of the new state and follow Article 1, Section 8. The only other authority provided for in the US Constitution is found in Article IV, Section 3 and that is to dispose of the territorial claims in the new states. There is not Amendment created to alter Article VI. The presence of the federal government in the Interior is unconstitutional and therefore unlawful. The plan included The Land Survey Ordinance 1785, and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 and followed until mineral wealth discoveries plus Reservations in the west. By losing the territorial authority Congress would no longer have authority over the western mineral wealth so it created the Department of Interior giving it teritorial authority without an amendment. I'm going to join you on Facebook.
Ya'll should have taken him 'subsurface' and left his laughing face there... 😂 Outstanding!
Like to. Buck cant harm snowflakes
well done! awesome vid
What's hypocritical is that the large mines are leaving behind leaching ponds and pollution that is ACTUALLY doing harm to the environment. The guy they sent would probably even agree. He's in the position to be voicing about the tyranny.
Right on!
That right hit them in their pockets thats the only way
Policy is not law and forget those supervisers ammendment Thank you for standing up for are rights
cool video.
Hi. I am glad that AMRA stick up for the miner, you are doing an excellent work. I am sure that if there was a miner, who did not have the backing of AMRA. he would be forced off the river, and possibility would land up in the courts. I am from Wales, UK. We have similar problems, that government don't take kindly to metal detectorists here in the UK.
Thank's.
Danny. DannyHDavies. FaceBook.
it's becoming obvious that Clint has not been around the block much .... someone told Clint to do something ... so he did something, and he says it was his decision(didn't sound very convincing when he said it), ... not a good move when a supervisor probably pushed him to do whatever was needed, and intends to let Clint take responsibility for his own actions(?).
Yeah. I felt sorry for the guy. He was nervous, out of his depth and clearly didn't really want to be there handing out pieces of paper when he could have been doing something closer to his calling. :-/
Still, I admire how both sides were courteous in what was a contentious situation.
Here in Australia, us prospectors and fossickers have similar issues with opponents to our activities and as a result have formed various associations that work with government bureaucrats in an advisory capacity, to oppose unjust rules and regulations, and educate the public.
Unfortunately our recreational pastime (and in some cases, livelihood), is used as a political football, with politicians from both ends of the spectrum (left and right) abusing freedoms and commonsense in their quest for political power.
Trying to figure out why they're trying to shut down recreational mining anyways. For Maya stand by moving the materials around and creating the pools that we do we're actually improving the habitat for the fish
Great job guys standing your ground with facts..and no vile name calling and yelling like to many YT wanna be patriots do..stay safe
I get upset when it takes to long to gas the dredge back up.. ide be freakien out about the lost hours and gold
This interaction with the.gov in Idaho is so typical of Idaho fs overeach!
Wow...that geologist is feeling his oats....
I have faced morons like him in past over housing, property bounds, even having a few go as far as demanding a lot of additional work and expense for construction permits (which was ignored btw)....
I hope you sue the cap out of him personally.
Just what George Massie Bussard talked about how they are trying all the time to shut you down.
i hope you followed thru on the suit... its the only way these gov workers are going to learn.
How much gold did you get?
Mr. Hughs cannot manage/enforce mining ops when he is unfamiliar with the law. take them to court and require USFS to provide a QUALIFIED geologist that is up to date on all the law to do the job. I doubt they'll find many geologists (if any!) who are mining law experts as well. Maybe they should hire a MINER!
To: AMRA,
Re: "RIGHT(s)___
If a "legal" right is a right that is "granted" by the promulgation of an act, code, contract, decree, decision, directive, holding, judgment, law, opinion, order, ordinance, proclamation, statute, or writ which was promulgated (created and enacted) by an administrative, executive, judicial or legislative governmental body (creator)... is it then accurate, correct, and true that said creator has the ability to repeal and revoke such "granted" legal right at its discretion according to the will of the people (the people's voice / the government)?___ And if such "granted" legal right can in fact be repealed and revoked by the creator... is it then also accurate, correct, and true that said "granted" legal right is actually considered to be a mere "privilege." And even though a "privilege" is defined as... "A particular and peculiar benefit or advantage enjoyed by a person, company, or class, beyond the common advantages of other citizens"... said "privilege" is still revocable by the creator at the creator's discretion.___ And if a "granted privilege" may be repealed or revoked at the discretion of the creator (government)... is it then also accurate, correct, and true to consider that such "granted privilege" is not held at the same hierarchical authority as that of an "inherent" right wherein an "inherent" right is one that is bestowed upon each individual at birth such as the right to: life, liberty, happiness, choice of religion, etc. which said "inherent rights" are inalienable?___
An example of an "inherent right" is that of an individual who has the "right to travel" from point 'A' to point 'B' anywhere on this planet without interference from any licensing agencies or any other persons.___ Such an inherent "right to travel" may be that of a trail-hiker (a person who likes to hike open trails) which said "right to travel" is further supported by the following "inherent rights": the "right of privacy" and the "right of way" thereby allowing a trail-hiker to hike through any lands without interference and without causing harm or nuisance to the lands whether the lands are owned privately or publicly.___ Further commentaries:
During Shannon's conversation with Clint Hughes (U.S. Forest Service Geologist) the first statement asserted by Shannon is, "We are not causing a significant disturbance".___ However, some of the images in the beginning of this video show the suction-dredging operation removing large volumes of undisturbed natural river-bed gravels creating deep unnatural holes in the river-bed and displacing the processed classified tailings from those deeply dredged-out holes randomly to other parts of the river-bed creating unnatural raised levees on the river-bed which is completely repugnant to the natural ecology and natural formation of the river.___ Perhaps gold mining suction-dredging operations could be reinstated if the suction-dredge miners could engineer and implement a method to properly replace the processed classified tailings back to their original location within the river-bed in order to restore the river-bed to its original and natural undisturbed condition without leaving any deeply dredged-out holes and randomly raised levees as a result of the suction-dredging operations?___ Thank you Shannon for all you do for AMRA and its members.
In the southeast, mining is dead. The gov killed it, if i get seen by the feds i go to jail.
Do you mean the green gestapo (forest circus I mean service)
Yeah, I wish I could get out of compliance through sword of tongue.
so.... what ended up happening? never heard the rest of the story with you and that tyrant
Im surprised Clint the fedcoat didn't have a M4 and a Molle plate vest on when he approached you miners.
"Fedcoat". Nice!
Boy this makes my blood boil !!!!
Is this national forest land or blm land? Do you have a mining permit for that specific area?
Who sent him? Did he just see u on his own and decided to give u a citation cuz he thinks he's in charge of that?
Come to Montana!
This iteyet forest dip makes me want to change my name from Clint to any thing else
You'd think the Govt should be happy Gold is being put back into the system by small miners. Helps the country
Also Less than 100 Cubic Yards is not significant disturbance
Quote- All persons who propose any activity that results in a discharge of dredged material, dredging, or dredged material disposal greater than 100 cubic yards to waters subject to regulation by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission or other federal agency, must obtain a 401 Water Quality Certification for Dredging Activities.
evidently at 17:+, this guy admitted that this is "his" decision ...
OBEY THE LAW!!!! go some wher else WHINER!!! plus sucking up all the gold so no one else can get some is GREEDY!!!!
If you cant mine your claim, why are they selling them should be the question to ask.
We already had this plsnned out
Minor point but a mineral claim means the minerals are your property not the land. Don't get the idea I want dredging stopped I love prospecting but we have to make correct arguments. How many land owners over the years have had their land torn up by some minerals company because that company had mineral rights. I think you should be required to take before and after pictures and show you did your reclamation work before end of season.
Clint dug a huge hole, question did he actually have a plan of operation? Don’t think so looks like he was just a digging wherever and however. CLINT, You are in violation
generater campsites are european call on productivity shared alan park laws son
Looks like another Bundy Ranch case to me,
I managing WHAT. YOU DONT KNOW WHO IS WHAT.
He was out rafting. Damm tree hugger
While the dredge season is just starting and this is his job/area of enforcement? And we as citizens pay him? wow
He and the Forest Supervisor have overstepped their authority. Mr. Hughes is wrong on what constitutes a "Plan of Operation!" I was a Minerals Technician and performed the work of the District Geologist for over ten years. This is the outright enforcement of personal ideologies that are currently held popular with the majority of Forest Service personnel trained by liberal colleges. If you are a conservative Forest Service employee you have to just keep your mouth shut or risk being fired, or blacklisted from possible workplace advancement... Idaho County Sheriff Doug Giddings - Suction Dredge Mining 03 Feb 2014: th-cam.com/video/oD2ng62KH9k/w-d-xo.html
I am claim owner in New Zealand and yes we have to jump through hoops to do what we have to to dredge legally. I can't understand why you waste your time with the USFS muppet if you are legally able to mine. Tell him to piss off and go dredging. You have vested in travel and god knows what else to do your mining and time is precious. The sound quality on your recording isn't the best but the gist of the matter is I think he is trying to baffle you with bullshit hoping you'all will bugger off well like I said if you are all legal etc go dredging and don't waste your time with them.
fire restriction are 4 fixed gear the miners are not lawyerz
What would you charge me to dreedge your claim? Just bought a 6 inch and never ran one lol
the sceenin and pit safety in a national park
I'm sure your case is textbook now, lol.
Tyrannical? Sheeeesh.
go find a fresh claim list 1 hour at 60 mph son friendly kinda town son
Land of the free home of the brave
You cannot sue a govt employee in the compliance of his duty in enforcing the law
You absolutely can AND any parties that benefit from that Leos salary. This means the wifey gets to go to court,too! Thanks
It's not law it's statute. Only congress can write and pass laws
title 18 section 242 deprivation of rights under color of law is a law designed to do just that 🤤
3 rd troth down id seedd hidden sspotts keep 2 zips
Guy oviously is a plant to slow down your progress it's a tactic they use
there a atached featgher on that zzone
Philippines is better for gold dredging sluicing open areas specially small scale mining in benguet.. no need permit
This clown who was a socialist ooooooppppss I mean geologist really made me laugh.
he is a bit thick for a smart guy ??? .. Go Amra
i like your vid,fishermen kill the fish, not gold dredgers by far,the feds just want to keep ya poor, for sure.logging should be banned.
Great more Californians...
picicners state thunderrrrrrrrr