STP S10590 Oil Filter vs. STP S10590XL Oil Filter Cut Open
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- Oil Filter Inspection.
Is this STP XL oil filter worth $4 dollars more than the regular STP oil filter? Would you use it? Let's open them up and see how they compare!
STP S10590 oil filter: www.autozone.com/filters-and-...
STP S10590XL oil filter: www.autozone.com/filters-and-...
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I bought a case of the Blue. As one viewer mentioned there is a variety of differences depending on the batch of the filter. I wouldn't go over 4000 miles with any filter based on watching your videos here. What impressed me was the lack of glue on the blue filters in your videos.
I would NEVER let my oil change go beyond 5k miles personally. I don't care what anyone says. Thanks for the video
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Man its a hard argument but when i first started using amsoil 0w30 signature series in my s10 i would only do yearly oilchanges, roughly 10-15k miles. The oil itself would stay perfectly clean for 8+ months before any indications it was due to be changed. Even amsoil recommends this oil for 15k and the filter every 10k miles.
Seems like Autozone filters are like the Forest Gump line. Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get inside. 😁 Thanks for these videos Whip. No way we could hope to keep informed on oil filters without them. 👍👍
Your Welcome Rick.
Thanks for your feedback.👍
Yes, Rick, and ONLY Whip City Wrencher has the "Microscopic View" that lets us see the filter media "up close and personal", as they say these days.
The basic STP uses what's known as a nitrile "combo valve", bypass and adbv in one. Thus, the extra set of holes. That's a 'no bueno' for me. Plus, it uses older style polyester endcaps. It's equal to the Super Tech ST line, but many of those now use metal endcaps. You are correct about the XL, it is 'supposed' to have a silicone adbv, First Brands playing games again. Both are made by Champ Labs. Both these filters can be purchased for less by buying the Super Tech ST(STP) or the Super Tech MP (XL) series. Factoid, ACDelco for GM (also by Champ Labs) never uses combo valve, only separate bypass like XL. Thanks for vid.
Your Welcome faxmen09.
I dont like that kind of bypass either.
@@WhipCityWrencher Yeah Whip, it's just cost saving 'feature" and not good one.
The rating on the XL is worth a few bucks for me. 99% at 20 Micron. I never go more than 5-6K on oil and filter regardless. And I run filtermags.
Yup ! With the basic Delco filters ,now they using the felt endcaps too ,that's why I now only use the AC Delco(gold) UPF series they are way better than the basic blue Delco filter
@@GT-mn3bx Same as another reply, I believe the rating on the AZ website is from when the XL made in China, was Premium Guard clone. Website not updated for Champ Labs, now most likely same as other Champ Labs filters, 99@30um.
It takes a guy like you to catch them with their hand in the cookie jar and replacing the anti drain back valves with rubber.
Thanks!
I use the STP extended oil filters on my truck amd mine definitely uses a type of red color silicone for the gasket and internals.
That's interesting that your XL filter has a rubber valve. The size that would fit my Honda is the S2808XL, and whenever I looked at those in the store, they have an orange silicone valve that I can see through the holes.
I've been using the STP XL for a while now, price is good and I buy it with the STP full synthetic. I change my oil every 7500 miles, all highway miles.
So nice of John! Another great comparison! Have a Wonderful Weekend! 🍂🍁🍂
Hi Ella,
Thanks You and have a great weekend also.
I'd pass up both of them. Too many better options out there.
like what?
@VosokaRecords The Mobile One extended performance filter. It is the best made filter with a thicker casing and the most filter medium inside. Rated for 15k miles.
Then there is the Napa Platinum fully synthetic filters rated for 10k miles. They are basically the same price, but both are better filters than the STPXL that was shown.
@@LeadStarDudeMobil 1 filters are much more expensive though. AutoZone keeps pushing these STP's. Can't be a good sign. They're basically free with a gallon of oil.
@@LeadStarDudereally doesn’t matter cause you should change your oil every 3-6k miles if you want you engine to last. Word of the wise cause your car and or oil says it can do something doesn’t mean you should.
I change oil/filter every 3000mi/3months whichever comes first. Been doing that since 1969 and all my vehicles have had few to no issues. 'nuf said...
Can't watch this video right now because I'm at work, but this is the battle I've been waiting for! I use the blue box STP filters all the time because they are cheap and easy to find. I'm definitely gonna watch this tonight.
The absolute LAST reason to select a product is "because they are cheap and easy to find."
Good luck with learning that very valuable lesson. 😁
Great job Pete
Thank You!
Very detailed! Thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks👍
So nice of John. Good comparison and review! I would go with the XL. Have a great weekend! Merri :)
Hi Merri,
Thank You, have a great weekend also.
I’m not sure I’d be interested in either for those prices. I like the free flowing ability of a nylon core and the felt end caps don’t bother me. If given to me, I’d use the regular one. For my hard earned money I’d go with SuperTech with the silicone adbv and still save some change.
Yeah SuperTech is a better made filter for less money than the basic STP..
I usually buy the blue one. Have been for years since I was getting STP oil from autozone. Had no problems. But gonna start changing my oil with a different brand. Just because.
Thanks for Sharing👍
Picked up an STP extended life filter the other day at Autozone (S12060xl). Made in the USA, silicone anti-drainback valve. $9.99
Hi James,
Thanks for Sharing👍
Always used Purolator oil filters. Never had a problem.
Disappointed in both these filters. Thanks for the review Whip.
I have used about every brand of filter currently available with no problems.
Champion Labs filters. Both of those filters have that weird, stamped sheet steel baseplate inlet. Looks like some AC filters I've seen a while back when they changed. AC used to have nice baseplates on their filters and went to that style. You're right that is the bypass, but it a lousy one. It's dependent on the pliability of that nitrile rubber drainback which won't stay pliable long in hot engine oil. If they're going to do that it should be silicone.
I wouldn't waste my time with either one of those filters. That blue one is just cheap with that bypass design and the XL, for that price there's a lot better choices out there the way that one's built. Nice comparison!
As you imply, look similar to ACDelco filters because they are all made by Champ Labs. However, ACDelco for GM vehicles NEVER use a combo valve found in the base STP here. They always spec separate dome bypass. Btw, the extra outer baseplate is to make installation easier than the non-beveled protruding thread boss without the plate. That's how Champ labs promoted it anyway. No other purpose.
Thanks, Vince.
The older AC Delco was my favorite, way beefier than the newer E Core Delco filters ,the Delco Gold(UPF) filters are pretty much the older Delco filter with a better filter media inside
@@daewooparts Yep, the older ACD classic filters were decent, no silicone adbv though. The "original" Ultra Gold was quite a filter, full synthetic media. Long gone now. I don't mind the nylon core filters with metal endcaps and separate bypass. Seem to hold up well. Super Tech MP a decent filter for the money.
Nice precision material
amazing video.
Thank You,
Glad you liked it!
I see a lot of similar features and specs among the Fram and Walmart SuperTech oil filters. The baseplate is different but the rest seems the same.
my choice is the XL, I don't like the bypass of the regular STP, and the media of the XL looks better.
Great comparison. I just got an STP S10590XL filter for my F150, it replaced the old STP S10590XL filter that I changed with the oil change. The old filter, although it is the same exact number, it about half an inch longer than the new one!? I double and triple checked because I really wasn't expecting that. I would like the longer one as that should add a lot more filter media.
Thank You! and
Thanks for Sharing👍
I was going to send you the STP XL S3387AXL ,but I ended up using it on a customer vehicle instead, hopefully I get it back so I can cut it open & see if the bypass is silicone or Nitro
Interesting to see what one of the best names of filters has become. Since Fram is joined the champion labs group I have noticed AutoZone pushing the STP line harder and almost no Fram filters on the shelves. Something to do with carquest advanced auto I was told about the Fram drive line of filters. Makes me think the AC Delco gold line was close to STP XL
Seems their competitor 'Advance' got the Fram line and AZ got the off branded 'STP'.
The Fram Drive is barely even a filter.
@@GT-mn3bx 😁 basically the orange can of death
The AC Delco gold( UPF) filters are similar, but different as well, they seem heavier & probably got patented GM licensed different guts ,probably slightly better than the STP
@@daewooparts Even lower. The Extra guard is now a 10K filter.
I think STP just outsources the lowest bidder. These are nothing like the Chinese made STP XL filters I cut open frequently up until 2019 (and still have a new one from that era). The gasket was red like the ADBV (not sure of material), the media was different, the center core had nice holes not louvers, it had a coil not leaf spring and just all around looks better than this one with the same micron rating.
I'll go for the XL... I like that it has the valve, and the metal well sealed top and bottom of the filter. Yes it's worh the price.
I'd do the burn test on the XL ADBV. It looks like black silicone to me (white powdery residue).
Same company (First Brands) has been putting proven nitrile adbv on Fram EG/TG where silicone is spec. I'll bet it is nitrile not silicone. White powdery only part of burn test, not in unburned form.
@@faxmen09 I disagree. If you look at virtually all red silicone valves, they have a white powdery residue on them. Even the blue ones in the ST filters have the residue.
@@Gary7even Well, then we'll agree to disagree. Only been ONE oil filter with black adbv proven to be silicone, that is the Toyota Denso. No other examples. And as noted, First Brands parent of Champ Labs pulled same stunt of Fram. Said black silicone, Wrong Answer, burn test proven nitrile. In any case Super Tech MP series with blue silicone adbv, $5.90. No need for XL. Maybe Whip will do burn test and we'll see who is correct.
Hi Gary, I'll try and do a burn test on it tomorrow or Sunday. I think it's Nitrile rubber though as I have opened up one of these before, here is the video.th-cam.com/video/7yTlgtwED9A/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
@@WhipCityWrencher 🔥 can't wait ,bet its all going to go up in smoke for STP black smoke 😁
Yea I was looking for stp reviews thanks we have to keep them updated which are the best cheap and best for you money
You're Welcome👍
Damn I just wanted to know if I could use the filter on the same application I didn't expect a scientific experiment. Thanks. I know now what I am paying for.
What I do is this every 2,500 miles, or before.
I change the oil filter, stp, or wal-mart, brand, or motorcraft, as long as the filter has the bypass valve in it.
I buy them on sale,
I change the motor oil and filter every 5,000 to 6,000, never over 6,
So, can you run both filters 3,000 , 2,500 miles take the filter apart and weigh it.
Check the job it has done. Yes, it will have oil all over it know but look at everything and see what changed.
Test them after the filter has been doing it job, and test the oil to see if it is clean.
Best wishes, great job.
Thank You
The blue looks exactly like the AC Delco E filters and the super tech filters.
I agree, probably made by Champ. Labs.
My STP10590XL is made in China and has a silicone gasket and anti drain back valve
I was about to get the STPXL yesterday at AutoZone, but I noticed like the one you have on your hand there, it also didn't have the orange silicone gasket and the paint job was bad like it was a bad batch so I end up not buying it and I went to O'Reillys and got the microgard select instead.
I use any filter , I replace my oil every 3k. Cool vid
Thanks👍
Nice to see this comparison. AutoZone and STP are my most often choice for oil changes, strictly for the value. I often wondered what truly makes a filter better for higher mileage. One would expect greater capacity for contaminants and better efficiency over longer use. However, I don't see that here. My thoughts are that the XL is more durable and therefore would last longer before breaking down. The media may be able to trap more debris but I would also expect it to clog sooner. So, hard to say. Obviously, the silicone shortage is real. What's your opinion on neoprene vs. silicone?
I would rather use a filter that has a silicone anti-drain back valve, but for 5,000 miles it probably does not matter much on most vehicles. I know my daughter's car does not like the nitrile rubber ant-drain back valves. (Start up noise once it reaches about 3 to 4K miles).
I'd rather get two of the 5,000 mile filters, same price and a fresh filter after 5,000 🤷
I have 2 of the new AutoZone China made STP filters, both 6607, regular and extended life version. They are completely different from what is seen here, the center tube is made of a shiny looking metal. I’d love to donate them for you to cut them up on a video. Let me know how can I send them your way. Love the videos, Thanks!
You're Welcome, It will be a little while before I can get to those filters, but send me an email to, Poker4me007@gmail.com
Seeing that the XL has had a silicone ADBV on their newer filters I've bought this year for a Honda B-series engine, I wonder if them using a nitrile ADBV is because of the application the filter is being used on, or if STP is telling Champ Labs this quick to switch it up again so they can fool the customer?
Hi Doug,
I've opened this same filter size before and it had a silicone anti-drain back valve, here's the video. th-cam.com/video/7yTlgtwED9A/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I just bought that blue stp oil filter 😂 because I was in a pinch. I will go back to delco..
Just picked up an xl for the 95 blazer, synthetic oil change time.
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G'day Whip.Another great comparison.I don't think either of these filters are worth the money.The Stp standard with the dodgy by pass and those felt end caps would not go any of my cars even if they gave it to me for free.Thanks for keeping some of these filter companies honest.
Cheers!
Hi Luke, Cheers!
Thanks for your feedback!
The XL use to be much better quality, but now just seems to same as the regular. The XL use to have a red silicone gasket...now black rubber like regular one. The quality... finishing also has gone down hill also. Probably combination of cutting costs and poorer work ethics.
I literally saw this for myself on May 2024. I said No Thanks and bought a Microgard select instead
Very disappointed with the STP quality. They used to have coil spring and silicone adbv. I'm running the xl on a 5.7 hemi and it seems like the hemi tick is louder then when I ran the napa platinum. For a few more dollars I would definitely buy a napa gold or platinum. These STP filters are made in China and the quality is subpar for the price.
Thanks Whip I wonder why the XL has a better micron rating than the Supertech MP. Does the poly core make a difference or does Supertech not post the micron rating just curious
Hi Clyde,
I get the Supertech micron rating right on the box it states 99% at particles greater than 30 microns.
That bypass design on the standard STP seems like someone trying to save money “value engineering” an after market filter. Looks like total failure. The pronto extended looks much better for the same dollars as the STP XL.
"Value Engineering" That is a very politically correct way to put it! This sort of things happen when you have accountants telling engineers what to do!
@@davidcampbell1899 I've retired from a lifetime in the production and manufacturing of a variety of products, working with both accountants AND engineers -- and have NEVER seen an instance where "you have accountants telling engineers what to do ".
BTW, are you any relation to Donald Campbell, formerly from 6th & Allegeheny, in Philly !??
We were friends when a bottle of Coke cost a nickle.
@@SlikLizrd You must not have worked for one of the Big Three.
@@SlikLizrd No relation to Donald Campbell in Philly.
@@davidcampbell1899 AW, shucks !! 😁
Thanks Pete. Good video. Too bad they don’t make the ML anymore it was fully synthetic media. I would say the regular STP and change it at 4K. Save the money.
GM says no to the combo valve in base STP.
Your Welcome John.
Thanks for the filters!👍
Yo, John !!
Thanks-a-ton for sending those oil filters to the Whip City Wrencher -- he's the best in the filter-cutter-opener business, and he proved it with his exclusive "Microscopic View".
Those other guys can't "cut it", so to speak. 😁
The known rating on the XL is worth a few bucks. I'd never buy either except in a pinch, but the XL isn't bad.
@@GT-mn3bx I'm thinking that rating info is left over on the AZ website from when it was made in China and it was a Premium Guard clone. Now Champ made and more likely like Champ's other filters, 99@30 um.
The cheap filter is cheap. It's like a race to the bottom of the barrel between stp and fram orange. Stp should stick to oil additives
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Good review 👍
For me I'd go with the XL. Better quality filter media, metal end caps, also has an actual bypass valve. The other one was too cheapo IMHO... seemed low quality. For $4 more the cost of the oil change not much difference.
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Thanks drum!
I want to know if anyone has tested the Renken Oil Filter, a Chinese brand that is available on Amazon for cheap.
Ugly Hand Garage has, here's the video. th-cam.com/video/xTR5Tgocj6A/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=UglyHandGarage
Choosing between the two, I'd take the XL with an actual bypass valve as part of the stamped metal leaf retainer spring. I'm dubious on the regular one's holes as a bypass valve.
Waiting now for the inevitable "it's not a leaf spring, it's a stamped metal retainer thing".
Good call, imo. If the XL had the silicone adbv it's supposed to it would be more worth the extra $$$$$.
@@faxmen09 Maybe they could come out with an XL+ that has the silicone adv.
@@jeffkortsch8276 Thing is Jeff, the XL is supposed to have a silicone adbv. But, like First Brands did with Fram EG/TG they started putting black nitrile adbv on them. Likely having some supply chain issues with silicone.
@@faxmen09 That’s definitely a possibility - in order to get product out the door, they could have used what they had in stock.
@@jeffkortsch8276 I think you correct. If only FB would admit that.
Another example of a Champ made filter using a louver metal core.
My STP XL came with silicon gasket
Yep, it's supposed to come with one I don't know why the one I opened in the video didn't have one?
Check out Autozones website they state silicone gasket.
www.autozone.com/filters-and-pcv/oil-filter/p/stp-extended-life-oil-filter-s10590xl/663658_0_0
You guys complain about lack of usa made stuff. STP is pureblood. No tracks of foreign assembly and here you are complaining about it
I would never run oil for 10k and i would not a oil filter for 10k. Although some manufactures say to change oil filter every other oil change for normal service but they don't care if you engine last 300k they just want it to get past the warranty then sell you a new car ; )
I don't like the 2 piece base plates. The holes don't align so the oil must change direction as it flows through the 2 metal pieces. This causes a pressure drop and reduced flow. May even cause turbulence. I would not recommend either of theses filters when there are other filters available with better performance at same price.
Ok, I got off work and watched the video. The Blue STP looks pretty bad. That bypass thing was just bizarre. The XL looked OK but for the price it should have a silicone ADBV. I'm left wondering, what's the best low buck oil filter that is easy to find? I just can't afford the $15 oil filters.
The Fram Ultra at Walmart is probably the best bang for your buck oil filter. Another good one is the Bosch Premium oil filters at Rockauto, but you have to buy a few to offset the shipping cost.
@@WhipCityWrencher I have tried the Fram Ultra before, when funds allowed. But the last one I bought had gunk in the threads. I checked the threads after watching one of your videos, by the way. So, I guess I could use the Ultra filters and just inspect them before use. Or maybe I could try the blue SuperTech filters. Not the cheapest ones, but the 20,000 mile one's. If you haven't already done a video on those two together, it would be an epic battle, for sure.
@@save16thave Thanks for the suggestion.
I dont think I have, I'll have to match them up sometime.
You should stay with OEM oil filter from your car dealership for your car brand.
That is interesting the regular stp is longer than the XL.
For the price I would choose the Fram Uktra over the STP XL. Cheaper and you get the wire backed media.
Congrats on another great video.
The Fram Ultra doesn't have the "wire backing" any more. Fram dumped the bulky wire screen to make room for MORE PLEATS. Fram uses a stiff, thin polymer backing now.
Industry seems to be trending toward a return to pressed-fiber end caps, as they take less energy to produce than the metal end caps.
@@SlikLizrd The cheap end of the industry is using pressed fiber end caps. Quality filters are still using metal end caps - this review shows the difference between cheap and not as cheap.
Thanks, Jason
@@jeffkortsch8276 As you say: "Quality filters are still using metal end caps." -- for NOW, as there seems to be a trend toward returning to (or adopting for the first time), the pressed fiber end caps -- for the purpose of lessening the impact on our precious air and water. -- MUCH more environmentally-friendly than the steel end caps.
@@SlikLizrd No end caps and no can(n)ister with a cartridge oil filter (and a coil spring in the cover) is the way to go to minimize the amount of material and waste. I wasn’t a big fan at first but after living with a vehicle that uses them, I have seen the advantages. My only gripe is that the cover takes a special tool to remove it so that adds to the consumer cost.
These tests should be done by a lab, that is to run some used motor oil through to see which one filters small particles, just weighing parts won't mean anything.
Found it lol
Walmart super tech filters looks better at a lower price
The top of the line Supertech filter is impressive.
I see zero consistency in the way oil filters are assembled.
This goes for all the brands.
These look exactly like ac delco filters.
And this go on a 2020 Honda civic EX?
No, you want the STP S7317 or S7317XL
The Chevy dealer just installed blue STP on my truck with 18k miles? Why in the hell they using STP and not AC Delco? Glad I looked when noticed they didn’t grease fittings. They said it met specs and I said it better cause 100k warranty and I’m gunna drive it like stole it.
Thanks for Sharing👍
STP filters are a perfect match to all the other parts auto zone sells. Garbage.
can you test a PURFLUX made in France , his paper is a other technologie .👍👍 And it s bigger.
Here's one I opened about 3 months ago, th-cam.com/video/qxGrGXHdwKQ/w-d-xo.html
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank s.video super interessante. j utilise un maximum Purflux , en France nos constructeurs utilisent Purflux en origine.
@@aldolaclasss You're Very Welcome👍
I WOULD NEVER RUN MY CAR 10.000 MILES BEFORE CHANGING THE OIL, OIL CHANGES ARE CHEAP COMPARED TO AN ENGINE
5, 000 miles for $5.99 -- only $4 more for the 2nd 5,000 miles.
The XL is a better value, especially when you consider the labor involved in a filter change.
With the XL, you save $4 AND the cost of another oil filter change.
However, I would not buy either of these oil filters -- I wanna see ORANGE when I look through the inlet holes !!
There are other colors for silicone anti drain back valves than the ORANGE you see on the Fram website.
@@jeffkortsch8276 Yes, for instance, there is the Royal Purple filter's purple-ish ADBV, and I have seen a GREEN ADBV somewhere, but the great majority of Silicone ADBVs are ORANGE -- as with the Motorcraft, SuperTech, Fram, and the Bosch Premium, which I use and recommend for the famous 95 MERC and our ACURA MDX's 300-horsepower V-6.
@@SlikLizrd I especially preferred the blue one I saw in a review on this channel. I don’t remember the brand but the color was memorable.
@@jeffkortsch8276 😁😁😁😁😁
I guess I have to add "blue can of death" to "orange can of death" because STP has gone the Fram route of useless end caps. Wouldn't want either of them on my car.
Those pressed-fiber end caps are actually very good at doing their job.
When they are doing their job, there are no morons trying to tear the end caps off, as the end caps are actually forced against the media by the cannister's internal oil pressure.
Oil Filter Industry seems to be going back to the Pressed-Fiber End Caps - they take less energy to produce, and are more environmentally-friendly. AND, they actually stick better than the metal end caps.
@@SlikLizrd Is that on the Fram website?
In the end, the manufacturers should move to cartridge oil filters with reusable covers (that use a coil spring!) which eliminates the can(n)ister and the end caps. Less material, less transportation cost, less waste. Win!
@@jeffkortsch8276, nah ,cartrige filters are way more messy & require different tools 🔧, plus the plastic OEM housing tend to break or fail over time ,even Toyota went back to the steel spin on filters after many issues with the cartridge type filters & housing, plus many Toyota owners switched to metal aftermarket adapters, especially when they damaged the OEM housing, seen the plastic ones fail on many OEM brands, not just Toyota
Yup ,starting to agree with "the blue can of death " & it's just not STP or SuperTech, but also the currently revised AC Delco E Core filters in the new packaging, they are also getting those felt endcaps too , I stopped using them too ,& only use either old school Delco or the black AC Delco gold filters
@@daewooparts They are a little messy to take off.
Failure of the housing is a possibility but that’s an engineering issue to resolve. When I did the first oil change on our car, I was worried I was going to break the housing so I bought a spare to keep for when I did. That was 130,000 miles and many oil changes ago.
I’d bet that Toyota went back to spin-on filters because of consumer complaints about needing a special tool to get the housing off and the mess.
The cartridge type filter is definitely better for reducing material used and waste created. Hopefully they stay on with better engineering.
The XL is not worth $4.00 more! This is a case of Corporate America finding new and creative ways to screw the customer for the financial gain!
Especially without silicone adbv.
I agree. Oil and filters are all overpriced at AutoZone unless there's some special deal going on.
Sure it is !!
The first 5,000 miles cost 6 dollars -- the 2nd 5,000 miles cost only 4 dollars -- AND, with the XL, you save the cost of an oil change.
I'm sure glad that you're not MY accountant !!
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Walmart filters are better.
just use Wix and wixXP
Exactly. Wix or Napa gold for me on everything I own including my motorcycles.
My truck doesn't take a filter. Cartridge