If the stuff you're relating to is a major or at least extremely consistent bit of your daily life, I'd probably talk to someone about it, especially if the stuff you're relating to is a significant problem for you. Talk to someone who specializes in ADHD if you can, gen practice doctors can be depressingly ignorant about it and the Dx process. There's a lot of other comorbid BS that can come along with ADHD that's worth doing a little research on as well, because you're unlikely to have just one of 'em if you have any. (Dyslexia, dyscalculia, dyspraxia, Autism, alexithymia, vertical heterophoria for some reason...) Worst case scenario, you'll be better educated on the subject. Best case, you understand *yourself* far better, and/or have new answers along with an asston of new questions you didn't know to even ask.
@@mechalith2791Wasted 4 years so far trying to find a doctor that can diagnose ADHD in adults.. shit ain't easy. And it isn't made easier by people around you not believing you're suffering from anything
@@indecisiveponderer643 sorry you had struggles with it For those looking - look for a Psychologist who offers ADHD testing, a primary care MD or DO won't actually have the ability to properly test what's actually going on. Also since ADHD is usually accompanied by something else (dysgraphia, depression, anxiety, etc) highly, highly recommended to get a full spectrum evaluation from a Psychologist - that way, you'll have a more accurate picture (even if it's not ADHD, but something else) that you can work with
This is one reason why gaming is so huge. This right here. The immediate feedback of your actions instantly teaches you correct from incorrect and nothing will get in the way of that.
or the reason why ADHD is so huge right now is that the people born from 90s onwards have been subjected to this instant feedback scenario from very young age and now struggle with situations that work in different ways?
@@vickey111but the problem with that is traditionally we haven’t had this technology. Our dopamine system has been, Hunt, find berries, dopamine from berries. Todays iPad babies are fried from the get go because they are injecting their brain with so much attention today. ADHD is a very real thing. But I think if your spending 5-6 hours a day sat on a iPad flicking through TikTok’s or TH-cam shorts your attention span is shot to begin with. And then you go into school and are forced to sit down and read a textbook. Your going to be bored instantly. Doctors see that and will diagnose it as ADHD but it’s more of a learned, circumstantial ADHD then it is an actual brain mis-wiring
@dnkys so the problem is we are expecting people to learn in a way people weren't ment to behave? With gathering fruits and vegetables you have a collection of things to look for, and get rewarded for searching the correct type of place pretty immediately, while hunting you get a lot of fast feedback in the form of tracks, and finding tracks is a small immediate reward, weather that be "that's a fresh track, we are getting food tonight" or "I did good, we are getting closer" (large game hunting was traditionally a group task, as not only were the weapons less effective at quickly killing, and pray could be bigger, but you also needed to fend off anything drawn into the heavy raw meat that smells like food to every carnivore a mile downwind) That's all instant feedback, unlike textbooks that even my ass who didn't have social media or a phone as a kid couldn't sit down to read, despite being a bookworm, and literally didn't understand anything in my math books until I was looking at a problem to solve and looking back, despite being a straight A math student, until proofs came to be important.
That's funny because I checked the answer and solve the question for immediate feedback😅 the feedback of getting to go home and do things that were actually interesting😂
i remember when i got diagnosticated,i suddenly thought 2 things,1 the meme my mom says i am special was accualy true for me,2 all that procrastitinet shit accualy makes sence now
It's actually the computer and the features of your habits it can follow strongly suggesting that you probably have ADHD. Thor doesn't have to be in your walls. The wi-fi does that for him.
I feel you bro , I hate how many people talk about ADHD even though they don't have the experience and underestimate how painful is to exist with ADHD.
I got diagnosed with adhd at 33 and was always a good saver. I think the reason why was that I was subconsciously gamifying it. I always picture every dollar going in as a slow money counter going up and up and every dollar coming out as that counter going back down again. It made every little dollar saved give me that little dopamine rush like yes I'm winning!
it could be. Make your study fun yourself. Other people are too boring to make it for you, especially teachers. I've been teaching my daughter like a game would. Any kind of game related method. one of them is, when she finally master a topic, I give her a hand drawn achievement unlock. The exact same shit like a merit sticker, works so much better. She keeps all of her achievement cards in a box and probably wont be look at again, but she likes it. She doesn't have ADHD, tho. just a game addict.
@@MallchadI want to give an example from myself. I am a game developer but academically speaking, I'm in a branch completely different from computers. My university entrance exams are different. Happens every year. Made by the government. One is mandatory, the other two are optional. It doesn't matter in which branch you want to be in, they ask you questions about everything. Although I have experience in making video games, I have literally nothing in academical terms. I want to go further: The thing is, just because someone is academically good doesn't mean that they're going to be good in the branch they've been graduated in. My relative has a license in computer engineering. But they can't do anything because they had no experience in computers but only logical knowledge that was able to make him study in that branch.
@@Animeliqite Yeah. in my experience both computer science and gamdes development academic courses are almost completely useless. they mostly only served to remind me that "hey bro, this is a thing you can do". oh yeah. that. lets go do that
ADHD is quite literally a form of Hell. Where without treatment or tricks like this, it's like you're just watching your time tick away and there's nothing you can so about it. I speak from experience as someone with unbelievably bad ADHD this shit sucks
Same brother. People tell me "just get up and go do it, start typing, etc" and it's like IM TRYING BUT MY BODY IS LITERALLY FIGHTING BACK AGAINST WHAT MY BRAIN TELLS IT FMLLLLL it's like living life as a backseat driver and whoever's at the wheel hates me
ADHD is like having a giant vat of motivation but no way to pour it out. Eventually you just punch a hole in the side and all the motivation comes out at once
I feel like it's more like there's a bucket that you have to fill with dopamine. Once it's full it overflows and you HYPERFOCUS. No eat no sleep no pee only focus. Then when the dopamine is gone? Nothing. Have to refill the bucket. But mining dopamine is HARD
@@veganryori idk, I have a lot more trouble accessing the motivation, rather than building it up or fueling it. I don’t usually feel “drained” so much as I feel “bored”.
In every job I've had no one took my ADHD serious, hearing you talk about it like this, and actively recognise that a different approach is needed for someone with ADHD is so relieving, thank you so much for sharing this!
Depending on person it's not needed. But its never a bad idea to try something different if the thing before never just does not work or is really annoying / inefficient.
It's definitely misunderstood. ADHD in many cases, impacts everything you do and how you live. I've learned I'm never gonna function in the way a neurotypical does so I've ADHD-ified everything 😂 another good channel is HowToADHD that has content like this and helps understand how ADHD works. I found content like this helps me to teach others about ADHD too
@@alansmithee419ye it depends on the person. I know people who prefer it to be laid out simply so they can speed through. I can't comment for everyone ofc but in the case with ADHD, I agree that it's particularly important. If a task is fun/engaging, it releases dopamine (what ADHD brains lack). Not only does this model let ADHDers tackle it to the same degree as a neurotypical, but they could likely focus much better as ADHDers can focus insanely on tasks that give dopamine (e.g. hyperfocus). The difference between the methods would be insane 😂 unlike neurotypicals who may just enjoy it a bit more (which is obviously more preferable regardless of whether they have ADHD or not)
This is why I gamified my job for ADHD. I wrap cars for a living, and after I finish each panel I feel that instant gratification. I’m 24 working along side 35+ year olds and teaching them how to wrap as clean as me and I’ve only been doing it for 2 1/2 years. My ADHD has been a hindrance most of my life with doing school work but now I’m glad I have it. It feels like I have a superpower of attention to detail
Specifically Immediate feedback that gives enough of a dopamine hit for people with ADHD. I guess people with ADHD can do it faster in the right circumstances because they’re more likely to get addicted to things/they crave dopamine more (and they can be motivated unlike with depressed people), so they want the next reward more immediately than people without it. And ADHD people are very bad at being able to shift their attention away from things they’re finding rewarding, which leads them to ADHD hyperfocus on it until they can’t get anymore dopamine from it, so they’re less likely to get distracted from it or take breaks, which speeds it up, tho I think it can lead to a crash/come down afterwards. This might not be good with long tasks because ADHD hyperfocusing for a long time means sitting in one position for hours and avoiding sleeping, drinking, eating, going to the toilet, and replying to people. But ye Thor’s right, learning needs to be gamified …And I just ADHD hyperfocused on repeatedly editing this comment for 33 minutes because I was finding it rewarding
I have days like that (I too am ADHD) but then I’ll get the flip side where I can’t do anything cause I’ve somehow convinced myself that there’s no reason and that I suck at my job.
This immediate gratification issue is one of the biggest problems I’ve had in my entire life. ADHD is so difficult and it’s genuinely taken me so long to realize how many of my issues stem from it, despite being diagnosed OVER 20 YEARS AGO NOW.
Literaly same case. I was diagnosed with ADHD when i was 8 and i had no idea what it even meant until i was 18. Then it took me several more years to fully understand what it all is and how much it affects my live. When they diagnose you they should also give you few lessons or something to help you truly understand the depth of your disorder. Just a diagnose did nothing
Y'all are not alone on this. I was diagnosed before I could even remember, back when they were still calling shit high functioning Asperger's Syndrome (under current terms I'm both Autistic and ADHD) and not only did the diagnosis not tell me anything, but rather all it communicated to child me was that I was now branded to be stigmatized, the special ed classes I grew up in literally didn't teach me anything about it or how it might affect me, and my mother claims to have read about it back when I was young but that clearly didn't stop her from mistreating and neglecting me or from spouting some pretty ablist shit throughout my entire life, thus further perpetuating the stigma. I literally lived my life in a state of pseudo-denial, where I knew I had it but rejected any kind of affirmative care options concerning it out of shame, due to this state of taught ignorance until about 4.5 years ago when I stumbled upon a detailed outline of how Zuko from Avatar The Last Airbender is NeuroDivergent (or, at least, a peak example of how NeuroDivergence often manifests in and affects people). Not only did that start me on my journey of self-reflection and healing at 24/25 years of age finally, but it also deepened my love, care, and respect for Zuko as a character to a completely new level.
Very true, if I can get a good flow state going then I can get work done at a ridiculous pace, but it’s *so* hard to get started on anything that isn’t fun.
Yeah, mostly same. Got diagnosed shortly after elementary school and it took me failing in university to actually confront myself with the diagnosis... When I got the original diagnosis I did get some help to get the hyperactivity somewhat under control so I wouldn't disrupt class as much but once that was better it just got pretty much forgotten until I realized myself that I am still struggling from it even though it doesn't show outwards as much anymore.
@ShardikFanatic being able to reflect on a list of common symptoms & responses we have to them is definitely huge for allowing us to work on ourselves and not only address but even recognize how we're struggling. As a fellow struggling NeuroDivergent adult: I'm proud of ya for being able to figure it out in time, and hope your path toward healing has been going well for you ^-^
That's part of the reason why I really love Habitica is because it Gamify-ies your tasks. You can also party up with other people and encourage each other!! There's pets, and shops, quests and equipment, bosses and spells. It's amazing
Honestly as someone with ADHD you're absolutely right it's all about tricking your brain into working. I know that I can't sit down and study for hours, after 20 minutes I lose focus. So when I was in school I started watching videos while I studied. By splitting my focus between two things I was only ever giving 50% to either but I could do that for hours. So instead of studying for 20 minutes I could study for 6 hours straight. Granted I'd only get 3 hours of actual work done, but it was better than only 20 minutes of work. Like Thor said I hacked myself, got into university, did my degree, graduated top of my class, did my masters on a full scholarship all by figuring out what worked for me rather than what worked for other people.
Omg when I was undiagnosed I used to do that trick all the time. I would have a video to listen to or a webcomic to read. I’d have to pause the video or pause between strips (and it was usually simpler strips like XKCD that wasn’t too distracting in art style) but the distraction gave me enough momentary dopamine to keep going on the homework.
Not sure if this is an actual achievement or if those reports that students are 3 years behind in schooling makes this horrifying. I'm split between learning about wilderness survival or cannibalism, if too many do the former the latter becomes more practical after resource exhaustion.
I think this is why I like programming. Doesnt work, runs again, doesnt work, runs again etc... then the huge rush of something working exactly like youre wanting is so nice.
As someone with adhd, i had a workbook in primary school that had "sticker spaces" and stickers you could put in only if you finished certain exercises, and that worked so well for me. The stickers combined to cool scenes and it was hugely motivating. Kinda reminded me of this
This is why I love composing so much. You put in some notes and then immediately get to hear a cool piece of music. Unfortunately that also makes me a perfectionist to the point of ridiculousness, because everything has to be juuuust right
This is indeed the same with me. I love playing around with music notes. I her lost in it for hours and when I'm done I feel like 10 minutes passed when in reality it's maybe 10 hours
my feed just gave me 2 shorts in a row that u had commented on (right above this was a smallant vid abt idaho) I thought I was bugging out when i saw ur pfp again lol
Oh heck. I wish it was that easy for me. I try to make music but always find I put in notes and it does not sound good. No matter what I try. I have to study music I like more.
Giving myself points never works because as the arbiter of the task I can just give myself as many points as I want without doing anything and nobody can stop me.
This is probably one of the biggest reasons why I'm struggling with job searching. The fact that I can send out an application and then it'll take weeks or even never for someone to reach out about it is CRUSHING
Oh my god I hate it because I overthink every aspect and then worry I’ll look pretentious or lazy or whatever. And like you said you hear back days to weeks later or never.
@@Soapy-chan OH! Do you mean like those moments where in a group conversation you hear something and think "Ah, I can say something funny here! But how do I phrase it properly so everyone can understand what I'm trying to say?" Spend several minutes trying to translate your own thoughts and by the time you are actually ready the conversation has moved on and you have no idea what they're even talking about anymore?
@@AshernCaelia actually, I didn't mean that but that is also something that happens too often xD What I meant was answering an email, it sometimes takes me a week or weeks even if it's just a few minutes of doing it. So basically we're totally impatient and go crazy when we don't get replies but we do it ourselves xD
@Morthaliar not one passenger, an emergent system driven by a fractal pattern of billions of passengers interlinked in trillions of ways, all sloshing around in a chemical soup.
This is actually why I have so much fun with coding as an adhd person. Every few lines I can add a check, test something, or at least confirm with a compiler, which gives me just enough immediate feedback to recognize the progress I'm making.
I used to get bullied by teachers for asking for feedback in my own way. They kept telling me to stop asking "rhetorical questions" and "why cant you be like the other kids"
Oof. I know this feeling all to damn well, I'm not even sure if I do have ADHD but this is something in particular that really stops me from making progress in areas I need to be makeing progress in. This was a huge problem for me in school subjects in my freshman year but it's not as bad now that I've graduated. I still have this issue somewhat for things like my art since I didn't work on it as much because school was busy as heck.
Potential fix: start a 5 min (or whatever interval feels right for you) timer when you start a task. If you find yourself unable to make progress (too hard, uncertain what to do, decision paralysis, executive dysfunction, etc) by the time the timer goes off, switch to a different task for the time being and come back to it in a bit. At least in theory, it should keep you from tunnel visioning too hard or spending so long stuck that it devours all your energy and you end up stuck in brain-dialtone mode all day, and the list should help ensure you don't forget to come back to it.
When testing in school i was almost always first to finish, with high score. Granted i would miss-skim a question here or there, but i could skip to the next question and find the answer to the previous quite often also.
This is so true! I have ADHD and I turn all my tasks into getting points. Dishes 3 points, laundry 1 point for wash, 1 for drying, 1 for folding etc. One day when I had the day off from work, and the wife was away with family with our kid, I got a highscore of 113 points and only then did I realize how phenominal the house looked inside and out! The wife came home VERY happy.
@@batuan666 I don't really do anything with the points, but typically speaking, the more points I get, the happier the wife is? So I guess I'm buying happy wife tokens???
This will be my problem. I know those points don't go to anything. In a real video game I earn the initial cash or tokens, then later they manifest in tangible rewards through purchasing power or otherwise, incentivising the next big thing.
im a 3d modeler and whenever i make slight adjustments i instantly go into the game and appreciate my own work and how the slightest change does so much, keeps me motivated
In a study around why adhd is so common for a mutation, they tasked people with foraging for food. The study found that people with adhd went to more patches than the people without and collected more as a result.
The ADHD brain is starved of Dopamine and Norepinephrine. So they seek out tasks that provide these, this can lead to easily becoming addicted to quanta. However, this is counteracted by the short reaction time of these neurochemicals and diminishing returns, leading those with ADHD to quickly pick up and drop habits. A common side effect of this is the establishment of synapses between related tasks (Hebbian Learning), leading to synaptic plasticity that leverages a significant amount of edges and less nodes in their neural graph network. I can see this potentially being a mutation caused by increasingly complex environments and shorter attention spans.
Not the full thing. The people without ADHD finished bushes, rather than hopping around to every other one. This led to those without ADHD starving themselves by having to go farther and farther away.
Thor, as a person with ADHD, you totally nailed this. Remember the game Math Blaster? We crushed that shit, just couldn't get our stupid paper homework done!
I went to an alternative school for junior and senior high-school years in the mid 2010's, before the proper advent of online schooling because of general anxiety and undiagnosed adhd. Alot of my learning was on my own without a teacher, so to pass on time and fix my GPA I had to grind hard to make up how behind I was. The system we used was a couple chapters from a text book with a quiz that followed that gave me instant information on what I may have been incorrect on. It gave me instant feed back and that system allowed me during spring break to finish 3 classes from home. I quite literally speed ran my senior year. (my pb was 8 hours for an entire music arts course)
This is so true. Also, having a task that's difficult enough to be a challenge quite often helps. Easy tasks are boring and won't get done well, but a difficult task will quite often get done faster and with higher quality of work.
Oh my god wait is that why I never wanted to do the easy tasks first growing up? My Mom always said “Well starting easy and going to hard would be easier” but for the life of me I had to get into and do the hard task first. At the time I just assumed it was so I can say the hard part is done so I can worry about the smaller things. But reading this I’m like “Oh yeah… more complex tasks are usually easier for people with ADHD to do because it’s a puzzle, not just a task.”
wait is that why i've always sucked at easy math even though the stuff that's supposed to be more complicated always came easily to me? learn something new everyday fr
I saw a doctor saying that people with ADHD would function just as well as normal people if they're in situations with direct/ immediate results or consequences.
honestly i have really bad adhd and ive been feeling really overwhelmed with work as i am the only mechanic at my shop and i am constantly having to bounce between cars and honestly this is some of the best advice ive ever heard and honestly makes very much sense to me. I love playing my racing sim which gives me tons of feedback instantly and my car is pretty fun to drive makes all the cool noises, which is pretty much instant feedback in a way. It all makes sense now thank you good sir. i like that instant feedback but that also explains why i am very impaitent at times
Yes, same as college. Once there's no immediate consequences anymore to stuff like skipping class or being late, it will happen. Sometimes even on a regular basis, or until there's consequences, like losing your job or dropping out. Some mornings you just won't get out of your bed for some reason, no matter how happy you'd be to
Yeah, that's consistent with researcher findings. My question is where is Thor getting these ADHD test subjects and running A/B testing on them? Where is he hiding them?
It might just be intuitive. I once tutored a kid whose mom told me that she was trying to get him tested for autism. She didn’t know for sure if he had it. It took them two months to get the results, while it took me fifteen minutes to determine that he did. And I was right. It’s like gaydar but for neurodivergency.
My mom realized when I was pretty young, before I was diagnosed with adhd that turning my chores into a game was the only way to get me to do them, and that giving me a time limit on my homework got it done with less fights.
Not a coder or anything, but my boss realized this with me pretty early on in my career with him. I work nights alone, so i dont have any coworkers with me, but my boss started thanking me in a text at the start of my shift to tell me hes thankful for all the work i do for him. The nights he thanks me are the days my morning crew ends up having a good start to their day and tell him the store was perfect because i end up going above my required job title and duties to help out. Instant gratification and rewards really go a long way in the workplace, also, being thanked by the boss personally makes me feel like i just dont work their but am an actual asset to the team. Not sure if this fully fits the theme of the video, but thought I'd share anyways.
While I do have coworkers on my night shift, there's only 3-4 of us on a given night and I'm the shift lead. Having the daily interaction where I talk one-on-one with my director every morning to give a report of all the incidents that occurred after-hours is one of the things that keeps me engaged. It lets me jump between all the ongoing events and tickets while contributing to the troubleshooting while also noting the important information for that morning briefing. Without that, my brain would 100% be wandering off on some distraction-fueled quest.
It absolutely fits and is amazing!!! Also I'm dying to ask wtf kind of job has someone working alone at night?? 😂 I don't mean that in a judgemental way... But in a, my curiosity is absolutely PEAKED
Programming in general is a great outlet IMO. Its one of the only things that consistently challenges my problem solving skills. Except for config hell. F that Sht
Functional Programming. YOU WOULD BE A GREAT PIANO PLAYER.Because that's how it's learned. A whole composition is broken down to numbers. Let's say there a 30 secs piece. You simply count the amount and deal with 4 to 8 keys at a time. Then tie them to the next set. ADHD is Hellfor me too. I haven't been diagnosed because I thought my state of mind would scare the normal folk. When I get really dark and depressed, my entire family think I'm taking illicit drug's. They don't know a thing about consciousness.
When I was a little kid, we had a series of computer games for basic math and English. I loved it, and those fundamentals stuck with me far more effectively than anything I learned in school.
This is why I do well in online math classes, but get absolutely destroyed by in person math classes. Having the instant feedback on my incorrect thinking helps me correct my thought process instantly, rather than waiting for someone to correct my paper letting me think I'm doing it right but actually be wrong for a full ass week.
That's honestly just normal for people who pay attention and learn from their mistakes, really. Instant feedback is more efficient for learning, period. It's just not necessary for "normal" people who actually know how to do a task correctly.
@@stardemonkei Nah, I'm a moderate functioning ADHD, and I found it easier to do things when I split my task into multiple small parts. I procrastinate playing games a lot when it's 80 hours main story JRPGs, but I found myself really into fighting games, and Devil May Cry; mostly on training mode, or spending time redo one single floor of bloody palace over, and over again. While I've procrastinated Yakuza Kiwami for 2 months. Also, When I play RPGs, I'm the type of person who'll finish all the open world, while leaving the main story is untouched. And I enjoy anime a lot because each episode is only 20 minutes long. I've marathon attack on titan 3 times so far because each episodes is short.
@stardemonkei also procrastination is not a symptom, its maladaptive behavior as a response to engaging with a symptom.
Excluding any comorbid diagnoses, it is also extremely easy to treat, especially in the age of the internet. So if someone is hiding behind it they are in fact just lazy with ADHD, and that's okay. You have the right to be lazy whenever you want to be. However just stop lying about it, it makes the rest of us with ADHD look like a bunch of twats who can't take accountability.
This is SO true. I'm a novelist with ADHD and the only way I manage to push out full length novels is because I have a patreon where I get feedback on every new chapter I complete.
Oh man that feedback in six months is gonna be so sick... getting that 25 cent raise I know is basically guaranteed is gonna really nudge that one dopamine molecule a bit looser.
@@codelyoko363 this is when your technique is unpolished yeah, confidence in the technical aspect goes a long way to the instant gratification elements of creativity for now, give it as much time as you can every day, even if that's only 10 minutes, refinement will come to you with an accumulation of small efforts and eventually you'll gain that confidence needed to appreciate intermediate steps
As a person with ADHD and plenty more to my story, I’m a real one in that regard. I really like this man’s advice because I’m sitting around too much when I’m not working and I excuse myself because I work physically hard but the sitting around in my life is letting everything just sort of sink to squalor. The only place I put in effort anymore is at work and then at home I scroll and smoke weed and drink and eat. The whole dopamine thing has me pretty focused on the drinking and smoking, but I remember when I was younger I was still me, but I got high off of moving and doing something new every couple of minutes rather than just seeing something move across the screen while loaded
Example: I had a friend who was never taught to brush his teeth as a kid, and got sick of the shame whenever he went to a dentist. His therapist recommended self feedback/self recognition IE he got a little paper calendar and some shiny little stickers. Every day he brushed, he gave himself a little gold star for that day, and if he got the whole week he got one of the nice stickers, like a Squirtle or something. It sounds like kid stuff but now he brushes twice a day and he hasn't missed a day for years (except once while getting throat surgery).
The problem with that is that I'm also resistant to reverse psychology when I think it's happening. And because I'm doing it to myself, I'm resistant to implementing that reward system.
I wouldn't call this reverse psychology (I wouldn't call anything reverse psychology really, it's all just psychology) but I get what you mean. I'm not sure how it works for you, but in my case I see myself as an authority figure in my life and i don't deal well with authority figures and i especially hate the idea of 'having' to do something. So the question then is 'how do I stop resisting what want myself to do?'. I can't speak universally here, but in my case it was a question of trying to realign with myself. I feel like a lot of ADHDers start yelling at themselves in their heads when things don't go their way, and it's incredibly important to have your own back even if you mess up. Anyway, sorry for the big ass rant on your comment and i hope this helps someone
I completely get this. If I know I'm trying to hack myself, it won't work. Or it'll work, but for a single day, and I will have one single day of extreme productivity. The next day I'm burnt out in bed the whole day and feel horrendous about it
I suggest Busuu instead, it's even better and you actually get to learn something. Duolingo is designed to keep you engaged as long as possible by teaching you almost nothing, and in the wrong way.
@@ok_listen I've been using duolingo for a few years now, and I can confidently read Japanese, I want to keep my streak, so it keeps me coming back. It's aided by the fact that I consume tons of media that's in Japanese as well. So I get to learn context as well. And Honestly, that's how I learned Chinese as a child, through repetitition I memorise, and through consuming media I understand. Anything that encourages repetition is how I learn best. Duolingo has also improved over the years that I've used it. They're always trying to make it better.
it honestly depends on the person and strategy. 'gamify things in your life' is not necessarily a single strategy but rather a way of recontextualizing all your future tasks, so different ways of gamifying things will have different lifespans depending on how much you use them, what kind of tasks they are for, and how well they work for you specifically. I personally have autism as well as ADHD so some strategies that work for many with ADHD will conflict with my need for structure, while other strategies that won't work for ADHDers might work better for me.
Try sorting stuff as you go. If you have a cutlery rack for drying stuff, put all the spoons in one slot all the forks in another, etc. Little hits of "that's correct" every time.
Thank you!! I have tried so many things like breaking down the tasks into smaller chunks or just achieve one thing at a time. But I do love seeing feedback from gaming.
I honestly love a good puzzle game where a nap can let me solve it when stuck, but hate ones with bad designs (eather testing is rather involved, so it takes a while to see if I'm right, or adds new things without telling me that's possible)
can confirm. i find it very difficult to learn by reading a book, because when i wonder about a little detail, which the book does not cover, i can't focus on the book any longer
@zegonix This is why I find it so difficult to learn to code. All the free programs don't allow me to ask questions and I ain't paying an ungodly amount to go to through a 200 hour course!
The problem with this statement as many things about ADHD is that it's very relatable for everyone. The main difference in my opinion is that a person with ADHD those tools are not just helpful but critical to absorb the full content. Several times per year I take work related safety exams, and their ADHD friendly in the degree that pop quizes have to be answered after each "chapter/topic" 50%-75% of those questions are the final exam. No trickery, just copy pasted avoiding running down a new rabbit hole. There is no chance I would ever be able to pass without the interruptions.
My education professor said that if something is really good for one group of people with an issue it's usually really good for everyone. So the example he used was if a student needs a lessons notes every class period, he just made the lesson notes available to everyone because someone would else would find it helpful even if they didn't need to have it.
This is actually a really good point. And I can apply the logic to the tasks that I can actually do in one go (when i get around to it). 'Immediate feedback' may be as simple as looking back and seeing that the grass you just mowed is shorter, or seeing more and more dishes on the rack and less that haven't been cleaned.
I've been so incredibly depressed these past few days and this actually speaks to me considering how much I'm struggling through my career and life. Love you and your content. Thanks for being an angel.
I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD but what you just described is like instant gratification for me and it has to be exterior sources. I'm instantly intrigued by someone or something actively keeping my progress, giving me advice, telling me I was wrong and how to fix it or telling me I was right, showing me where I've made gains or showing me how much I've learned.... If I try to hack myself or you tell me just to do that for myself then give me a list to do I will become so insanely bored and annoyed by the work that it will take me so much longer to complete even if I'm continuously giving myself imaginary points because they mean nothing to me since I'm the one that created the point system.
this is 100% true. i was diagnosed with adhd and got put on medication for it, but unfortunately, the meds only make me focus better and don’t re-wire my brain. when i was studying for my comptia security+ exam, i only studied for 5 days, and the strategy i would use was to do each study problem myself, and then after each problem, i would ask chat gpt to verify my answer. it was extremely efficient for me and i basically had no hiccups. if you have adhd, take advantage of how your brain works instead of sitting there wishing you were normal. edit: i forgot to mention, my score was a 795/900, which is honestly pretty good considering i only studied for a week.
As a person with adhd how dare you call me out like this my brain is not some simple jelly lump that you can sidestep with gamifying, also ur entirely correct omfg
Not quite - it's not instant gratification, but instant feedback. If you don't get feedback instantly, it feels like you're dumping your effort into a bottomless pit of meaninglessness. As long as the feedback is useful, and not always negative, it doesn't matter if it's a reward or not, we just need immediate feedback. If I do something, and it takes you an hour to tell me, and I know it will take you an hour to tell me if I did it right, I'm going to spend the next hour with a good portion of my working memory occupied with the task I've *already completed*, because it's not actually done until I get feedback. Or, in the event I do mentally finish the task, finishing a task without feedback is frequently worse than (helpful) negative feedback, because it disconnects the feedback from the task, meaning I did a task no one cared enough to give me feedback on, and is therefore useless/worthless, and I'm also getting feedback for a task I didn't do. This might sound silly, but ADHD is a deep alteration in how someone's brain perceives many things, including cause and effect, time, and motivation.
@@leakingamps2050 Trying to explain these things to someone who doesn't share the same issue is..... often such a frustrating experience. I think you put this into words really well tho. ADHD'er myself and this just, nails so well what I feel everyday.
I only know of this guy from playing the Heartbound demo. But I really enjoy how he gives you a more grounded understanding of game development. It’s not easy, but it’s an art form I enjoy and respect. Some of the greatest games took years of painstaking detail.
You hit the nail on the head. I am an engineer and when I submit things for review and they send them back hours later unless it is urgent that thing is going to the bottom of the pile, I hate having to switch gears in a moment notice and takes me a bit to reorient myself to another task especially if I am on a roll.
TO couple woth this, I have a job where at any point I can be interupted. A phone rings, now I need to be a sales man. I get Task A, told to put that aside and do task B, to told to be put that aside and do task C. It's so much better when there isn't constant interuptions
Some things I've learned to gamify, whilst others still stump me but I one hundred percent attest to learning things faster than others when there is immediate feedback as he explained.
I’ve never thought of it this way and homework has always been a problem for me if it wasn’t online where I knew if I got something right or wrong, I’ll be needing this, thank you Thor 🙏
Honestly even immediately telling me if I was right or wrong is fantastic as well. As my mind is still on the problem and makes it more likely for me to try to fix it
As someone with ADHD, you nailed it here, this is exactly what doing homework feels like. It's why I'm really into gamedev as well, the instant feedback of hours of programming working is how I can stay focused on it for so long.
It’s crazy how overtime ADHD just sounds like higher throughput over time. Your brain just runs at a higher clock cycle and isn’t attuned to slower clock cycles from neurotypical brains.
Task lists drain the motivation out of me, but the bit about instant feedback is so real. The only job I performed really well at was the one where I got tons of good feedback and consistent interest from the team.
No, it is more based on feedback. With no instant feedback, ADHD people just lose interest as it feels like they are not getting anything done. If there is some sort of feedback, they will feel like they are actually doing things and they will find it more engaging.
I’m an auto tech and this is so true. I do auto electrical and when you’re diagnosing a car for electrical issues you will end up with a list of test that you’re going to run in an attempt to find the issue. Each set of pins I test give me immediate feedback on the state of the circuit. I do that until I find an issue in the circuit or run out of tests. If I run out of tests then I can conclude the circuit is fine and shift my eyes to the components of the circuit that is causing issues. I diagnose issues accurately much faster than anyone in my shop
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Born to quest, forced to task.
Oof right in my everything.
Solution: convert task to quest
The poor people working as salary man in the office, not knowing how significant their work is...
I hate how right you are
You're a real one for that Lady Wolf pfp
The problem is, "gamify your tasks" feels like homework, we need someone ELSE to gamify the task generally
Thisssss
that teacher's work
but teacher's aren't taught to do that and the problem persist for decades in the past and in the future
EXACTLY
Really? Well then I'll race you to do the first gamified task. Go!
@@sebbiesydenham3077 source?
either people with adhd have to stop being so relatable or i need to go see my doctor
If the stuff you're relating to is a major or at least extremely consistent bit of your daily life, I'd probably talk to someone about it, especially if the stuff you're relating to is a significant problem for you. Talk to someone who specializes in ADHD if you can, gen practice doctors can be depressingly ignorant about it and the Dx process.
There's a lot of other comorbid BS that can come along with ADHD that's worth doing a little research on as well, because you're unlikely to have just one of 'em if you have any. (Dyslexia, dyscalculia, dyspraxia, Autism, alexithymia, vertical heterophoria for some reason...)
Worst case scenario, you'll be better educated on the subject. Best case, you understand *yourself* far better, and/or have new answers along with an asston of new questions you didn't know to even ask.
@@mechalith2791Wasted 4 years so far trying to find a doctor that can diagnose ADHD in adults.. shit ain't easy.
And it isn't made easier by people around you not believing you're suffering from anything
It's still worth giving a shot just to see if you have something. Who knows what you'll get diagnosed with.
@@indecisiveponderer643 which country do you live in ?
@@indecisiveponderer643 sorry you had struggles with it
For those looking - look for a Psychologist who offers ADHD testing, a primary care MD or DO won't actually have the ability to properly test what's actually going on.
Also since ADHD is usually accompanied by something else (dysgraphia, depression, anxiety, etc) highly, highly recommended to get a full spectrum evaluation from a Psychologist - that way, you'll have a more accurate picture (even if it's not ADHD, but something else) that you can work with
This is one reason why gaming is so huge. This right here.
The immediate feedback of your actions instantly teaches you correct from incorrect and nothing will get in the way of that.
No wonder mobile games are HUGE with casuals.
Exactly! It's like "I shoot zombie, point number goes up; brain happy."
or the reason why ADHD is so huge right now is that the people born from 90s onwards have been subjected to this instant feedback scenario from very young age and now struggle with situations that work in different ways?
@@vickey111but the problem with that is traditionally we haven’t had this technology. Our dopamine system has been, Hunt, find berries, dopamine from berries.
Todays iPad babies are fried from the get go because they are injecting their brain with so much attention today.
ADHD is a very real thing. But I think if your spending 5-6 hours a day sat on a iPad flicking through TikTok’s or TH-cam shorts your attention span is shot to begin with. And then you go into school and are forced to sit down and read a textbook.
Your going to be bored instantly. Doctors see that and will diagnose it as ADHD but it’s more of a learned, circumstantial ADHD then it is an actual brain mis-wiring
@dnkys so the problem is we are expecting people to learn in a way people weren't ment to behave? With gathering fruits and vegetables you have a collection of things to look for, and get rewarded for searching the correct type of place pretty immediately, while hunting you get a lot of fast feedback in the form of tracks, and finding tracks is a small immediate reward, weather that be "that's a fresh track, we are getting food tonight" or "I did good, we are getting closer" (large game hunting was traditionally a group task, as not only were the weapons less effective at quickly killing, and pray could be bigger, but you also needed to fend off anything drawn into the heavy raw meat that smells like food to every carnivore a mile downwind)
That's all instant feedback, unlike textbooks that even my ass who didn't have social media or a phone as a kid couldn't sit down to read, despite being a bookworm, and literally didn't understand anything in my math books until I was looking at a problem to solve and looking back, despite being a straight A math student, until proofs came to be important.
That's why I loved solving math quizzes with answers behind the test. I solve the question, check the answer for immediate feedback.
Yes 🗿
I actually loved doing this, I NEED the final answers to be sure I did it right
This is how I taught myself math k-8 because my teachers were so condescending plus I was undiagnosed until I hit college 💀💀💀
I used to solve the math, then use my answer backwards to test if it was actually right
That's funny because I checked the answer and solve the question for immediate feedback😅 the feedback of getting to go home and do things that were actually interesting😂
Thor posted this the day I got diagnosed with ADHD. He is clearly in my walls.
......in the gawdamn walls...
i remember when i got diagnosticated,i suddenly thought 2 things,1 the meme my mom says i am special was accualy true for me,2 all that procrastitinet shit accualy makes sence now
I just picture Thor's head growing on your wall like a watermelon; his hair spread like vines.
It's actually the computer and the features of your habits it can follow strongly suggesting that you probably have ADHD. Thor doesn't have to be in your walls. The wi-fi does that for him.
Nice profile pic
The hardest part of adhd was learning to save
I feel you bro , I hate how many people talk about ADHD even though they don't have the experience and underestimate how painful is to exist with ADHD.
or sending a freaking email. The amount of times I write an email but simply "forget" to click the send button is embarrassingly high
I got diagnosed with adhd at 33 and was always a good saver. I think the reason why was that I was subconsciously gamifying it. I always picture every dollar going in as a slow money counter going up and up and every dollar coming out as that counter going back down again. It made every little dollar saved give me that little dopamine rush like yes I'm winning!
i love how thor always, no matter the topic, always finds the need to break out ms paint to illustrate his point
and it's always boxes 😂
Yes but us creatures need visual aid and he knows it 😂
I feel like he does it more for himself than for his viewers lol
@@vivien4420Or division style lines
I'm not gonna lie the visuals help me out to understand what he means better sometimes
Turn homework into a Rogue Like game and watch em all have PHD's by the end of the year
That's not the worst idea I ever heard! Might work, it'd certainly test to see if someone KNOWS what they're doing.
Honestly I love how true this is
😂😂😂
For med school, just make a 90% accurate hospital sim and you'd have more doctors than you could handle
Actually, as someone with ADHD, I kinda hate rogue like games because of restarting everything over and over
If school was a video game, I'd be getting a PhD in Computer Science.
it could be. Make your study fun yourself. Other people are too boring to make it for you, especially teachers.
I've been teaching my daughter like a game would. Any kind of game related method. one of them is, when she finally master a topic, I give her a hand drawn achievement unlock. The exact same shit like a merit sticker, works so much better.
She keeps all of her achievement cards in a box and probably wont be look at again, but she likes it.
She doesn't have ADHD, tho. just a game addict.
I'd be on one of my earliest dreams, following in the foot steps of "Little Washu, The Greatest Scientific Genius in the Universe!" 😅
I just started watching game design documentaries until I felt comfortable making my own stuff.
@@MallchadI want to give an example from myself. I am a game developer but academically speaking, I'm in a branch completely different from computers.
My university entrance exams are different. Happens every year. Made by the government. One is mandatory, the other two are optional. It doesn't matter in which branch you want to be in, they ask you questions about everything.
Although I have experience in making video games, I have literally nothing in academical terms.
I want to go further: The thing is, just because someone is academically good doesn't mean that they're going to be good in the branch they've been graduated in.
My relative has a license in computer engineering. But they can't do anything because they had no experience in computers but only logical knowledge that was able to make him study in that branch.
@@Animeliqite Yeah. in my experience both computer science and gamdes development academic courses are almost completely useless.
they mostly only served to remind me that "hey bro, this is a thing you can do".
oh yeah. that. lets go do that
i really appreciate that homie said "feedback" and not "gratification"
ADHD is quite literally a form of Hell. Where without treatment or tricks like this, it's like you're just watching your time tick away and there's nothing you can so about it. I speak from experience as someone with unbelievably bad ADHD this shit sucks
I just made the horrible mistake of sitting down. Guess I'm not moving for a bit.
Same brother. People tell me "just get up and go do it, start typing, etc" and it's like IM TRYING BUT MY BODY IS LITERALLY FIGHTING BACK AGAINST WHAT MY BRAIN TELLS IT FMLLLLL it's like living life as a backseat driver and whoever's at the wheel hates me
Same I have it also it's a pain to work with.
I find it more funny how different adhd manifests itself, most people think its a one size fits all xD
yeah, i feel like atention deficiet is such a wrong name for the disorder, it makes more sense naming it executive dysfunction disorder
ADHD is like having a giant vat of motivation but no way to pour it out. Eventually you just punch a hole in the side and all the motivation comes out at once
I feel like it's more like there's a bucket that you have to fill with dopamine. Once it's full it overflows and you HYPERFOCUS. No eat no sleep no pee only focus. Then when the dopamine is gone? Nothing. Have to refill the bucket. But mining dopamine is HARD
@@veganryori YEAH, that's definitely a closer analogy.
@@veganryoriAnd meds are autominers
Man these descriptions are way to fucking accurate to myself.
@@veganryori idk, I have a lot more trouble accessing the motivation, rather than building it up or fueling it. I don’t usually feel “drained” so much as I feel “bored”.
In every job I've had no one took my ADHD serious, hearing you talk about it like this, and actively recognise that a different approach is needed for someone with ADHD is so relieving, thank you so much for sharing this!
Honestly I think this approach would *help* everyone, it's just particularly important for those with adhd.
Depending on person it's not needed.
But its never a bad idea to try something different if the thing before never just does not work or is really annoying / inefficient.
It's definitely misunderstood. ADHD in many cases, impacts everything you do and how you live. I've learned I'm never gonna function in the way a neurotypical does so I've ADHD-ified everything 😂 another good channel is HowToADHD that has content like this and helps understand how ADHD works. I found content like this helps me to teach others about ADHD too
ADHD isn't real it's made up by big health
@@alansmithee419ye it depends on the person. I know people who prefer it to be laid out simply so they can speed through. I can't comment for everyone ofc but in the case with ADHD, I agree that it's particularly important. If a task is fun/engaging, it releases dopamine (what ADHD brains lack). Not only does this model let ADHDers tackle it to the same degree as a neurotypical, but they could likely focus much better as ADHDers can focus insanely on tasks that give dopamine (e.g. hyperfocus). The difference between the methods would be insane 😂 unlike neurotypicals who may just enjoy it a bit more (which is obviously more preferable regardless of whether they have ADHD or not)
This is why I gamified my job for ADHD. I wrap cars for a living, and after I finish each panel I feel that instant gratification. I’m 24 working along side 35+ year olds and teaching them how to wrap as clean as me and I’ve only been doing it for 2 1/2 years. My ADHD has been a hindrance most of my life with doing school work but now I’m glad I have it. It feels like I have a superpower of attention to detail
So the key is immediate feedback?
The key is an instant reward. Its called a compulsion loop. Its basically a dopamine factory.
@@stighelmer1265 Can confirm. I am diagnosed with ADHD and this is what we usually like lmfao.
Basically: We need more fun things.
@@novacyther7677same here. If I don't have the dopamine I'm going to not be motivated to do it.
I don't have ADHD but i agree that we need more fun things
Specifically Immediate feedback that gives enough of a dopamine hit for people with ADHD.
I guess people with ADHD can do it faster in the right circumstances because they’re more likely to get addicted to things/they crave dopamine more (and they can be motivated unlike with depressed people), so they want the next reward more immediately than people without it.
And ADHD people are very bad at being able to shift their attention away from things they’re finding rewarding, which leads them to ADHD hyperfocus on it until they can’t get anymore dopamine from it, so they’re less likely to get distracted from it or take breaks, which speeds it up, tho I think it can lead to a crash/come down afterwards.
This might not be good with long tasks because ADHD hyperfocusing for a long time means sitting in one position for hours and avoiding sleeping, drinking, eating, going to the toilet, and replying to people.
But ye Thor’s right, learning needs to be gamified
…And I just ADHD hyperfocused on repeatedly editing this comment for 33 minutes because I was finding it rewarding
Dude this is so real, its the same reason I occasionally have days where im super productive, because im convincing myself im doing good
Yep, for me it's so much more about momentum. Once I get the ball rolling, I can really knock things out.
I have days like that (I too am ADHD) but then I’ll get the flip side where I can’t do anything cause I’ve somehow convinced myself that there’s no reason and that I suck at my job.
@@johnmarshall351 that's fair, I get that too
This immediate gratification issue is one of the biggest problems I’ve had in my entire life. ADHD is so difficult and it’s genuinely taken me so long to realize how many of my issues stem from it, despite being diagnosed OVER 20 YEARS AGO NOW.
Literaly same case. I was diagnosed with ADHD when i was 8 and i had no idea what it even meant until i was 18. Then it took me several more years to fully understand what it all is and how much it affects my live. When they diagnose you they should also give you few lessons or something to help you truly understand the depth of your disorder. Just a diagnose did nothing
Y'all are not alone on this. I was diagnosed before I could even remember, back when they were still calling shit high functioning Asperger's Syndrome (under current terms I'm both Autistic and ADHD) and not only did the diagnosis not tell me anything, but rather all it communicated to child me was that I was now branded to be stigmatized, the special ed classes I grew up in literally didn't teach me anything about it or how it might affect me, and my mother claims to have read about it back when I was young but that clearly didn't stop her from mistreating and neglecting me or from spouting some pretty ablist shit throughout my entire life, thus further perpetuating the stigma. I literally lived my life in a state of pseudo-denial, where I knew I had it but rejected any kind of affirmative care options concerning it out of shame, due to this state of taught ignorance until about 4.5 years ago when I stumbled upon a detailed outline of how Zuko from Avatar The Last Airbender is NeuroDivergent (or, at least, a peak example of how NeuroDivergence often manifests in and affects people). Not only did that start me on my journey of self-reflection and healing at 24/25 years of age finally, but it also deepened my love, care, and respect for Zuko as a character to a completely new level.
Very true, if I can get a good flow state going then I can get work done at a ridiculous pace, but it’s *so* hard to get started on anything that isn’t fun.
Yeah, mostly same. Got diagnosed shortly after elementary school and it took me failing in university to actually confront myself with the diagnosis...
When I got the original diagnosis I did get some help to get the hyperactivity somewhat under control so I wouldn't disrupt class as much but once that was better it just got pretty much forgotten until I realized myself that I am still struggling from it even though it doesn't show outwards as much anymore.
@ShardikFanatic being able to reflect on a list of common symptoms & responses we have to them is definitely huge for allowing us to work on ourselves and not only address but even recognize how we're struggling. As a fellow struggling NeuroDivergent adult: I'm proud of ya for being able to figure it out in time, and hope your path toward healing has been going well for you ^-^
That's part of the reason why I really love Habitica is because it Gamify-ies your tasks. You can also party up with other people and encourage each other!! There's pets, and shops, quests and equipment, bosses and spells. It's amazing
Honestly as someone with ADHD you're absolutely right it's all about tricking your brain into working.
I know that I can't sit down and study for hours, after 20 minutes I lose focus. So when I was in school I started watching videos while I studied. By splitting my focus between two things I was only ever giving 50% to either but I could do that for hours. So instead of studying for 20 minutes I could study for 6 hours straight. Granted I'd only get 3 hours of actual work done, but it was better than only 20 minutes of work.
Like Thor said I hacked myself, got into university, did my degree, graduated top of my class, did my masters on a full scholarship all by figuring out what worked for me rather than what worked for other people.
Omg when I was undiagnosed I used to do that trick all the time. I would have a video to listen to or a webcomic to read. I’d have to pause the video or pause between strips (and it was usually simpler strips like XKCD that wasn’t too distracting in art style) but the distraction gave me enough momentary dopamine to keep going on the homework.
Not sure if this is an actual achievement or if those reports that students are 3 years behind in schooling makes this horrifying. I'm split between learning about wilderness survival or cannibalism, if too many do the former the latter becomes more practical after resource exhaustion.
@@Jeremyz0r I think you’re lost? Or I’m very confused
I cant even focus for 5 minutes and i dont have adhd. How does someone wtih adhd have better focus than me 😂
@@oppai9611 are you sure you dont have adhd?
Instructions unclear, attacking myself with an axe
@@gregneidlinger8252 I scrolled through specifically looking for this comment. Well done, your work is appreciated.
Honestly, I'm just glad people saw it. I posted it days after the video went up, so I was certain it'd be buried
good way to boost constitution ;)
“Hack yourself” taken too literally LOL
I think this is why I like programming.
Doesnt work, runs again, doesnt work, runs again etc... then the huge rush of something working exactly like youre wanting is so nice.
I feel like coding is pretty much gamified automatically and learning new things is like leveling up.
Thanks
code -> build -> test, immediate feedback, since computers are "designed" for those.
As someone with adhd, i had a workbook in primary school that had "sticker spaces" and stickers you could put in only if you finished certain exercises, and that worked so well for me. The stickers combined to cool scenes and it was hugely motivating. Kinda reminded me of this
Stickers are my love language.
This is why I love composing so much. You put in some notes and then immediately get to hear a cool piece of music. Unfortunately that also makes me a perfectionist to the point of ridiculousness, because everything has to be juuuust right
Composing is fun until you do sound design lol
This is indeed the same with me. I love playing around with music notes. I her lost in it for hours and when I'm done I feel like 10 minutes passed when in reality it's maybe 10 hours
my feed just gave me 2 shorts in a row that u had commented on (right above this was a smallant vid abt idaho) I thought I was bugging out when i saw ur pfp again lol
Oh heck. I wish it was that easy for me. I try to make music but always find I put in notes and it does not sound good. No matter what I try.
I have to study music I like more.
@@kaitlyndh0625 good taste ig
That “hack yourself” went needlessly hard
was thinking the exact same thing, he's a true hackerman
Aight then (grabs axe)
@@dhearyzikrimuhammad_0366
(Slowly lowers axe from behind)
(Shaking head)
“That’s not what he meant”
(Points to electric chair)
I swear Thor is just the voice in my head that has tried to always help me but gets drowned out by all the other noise and distractions
Don't forget your laundry 😂
Giving myself points never works because as the arbiter of the task I can just give myself as many points as I want without doing anything and nobody can stop me.
Instructions unclear, hacked myself, now I have no limbs.
Hacked myself, but accidentally swallowed the hacky sack.
Play Kenshi
@@Milo_Estobar Critical Success
This is probably one of the biggest reasons why I'm struggling with job searching. The fact that I can send out an application and then it'll take weeks or even never for someone to reach out about it is CRUSHING
do you also have the problem that responding yourself to an answer takes ages to actually do even though it's a thing of 2 minutes?
Oh my god I hate it because I overthink every aspect and then worry I’ll look pretentious or lazy or whatever. And like you said you hear back days to weeks later or never.
@@Soapy-chan OH! Do you mean like those moments where in a group conversation you hear something and think "Ah, I can say something funny here! But how do I phrase it properly so everyone can understand what I'm trying to say?" Spend several minutes trying to translate your own thoughts and by the time you are actually ready the conversation has moved on and you have no idea what they're even talking about anymore?
@@AshernCaelia actually, I didn't mean that but that is also something that happens too often xD
What I meant was answering an email, it sometimes takes me a week or weeks even if it's just a few minutes of doing it. So basically we're totally impatient and go crazy when we don't get replies but we do it ourselves xD
@@AshernCaelialmao omg I've never been able to explain this but it kills me!!!
That's why khan academy is so good, a little noise and some confetti for every question correctly checked.
Wait, something that simple actually made me like math?
@@iennefaLsh you have appeased the ADHD goblin that runs your brain.
I've seen about 100 of this dudes shorts by now...
I just realized why I f*cking love this guy!
ITS BECAUSE I FU*KING LOVE THIS GUY!
Instructions unclear. I hacked my body and I'm now a bionic cyborg
Have you tried turning it off and on again? What about blowing on the cartridge?
@shade0mirth would if I could, but I can't lean over that far
@@ortervesSimply remove some components. 😂😅💀
You're a meat mech controlled by a passenger in your brain. Like all of us.
@Morthaliar not one passenger, an emergent system driven by a fractal pattern of billions of passengers interlinked in trillions of ways, all sloshing around in a chemical soup.
This is actually why I have so much fun with coding as an adhd person.
Every few lines I can add a check, test something, or at least confirm with a compiler, which gives me just enough immediate feedback to recognize the progress I'm making.
I used to get bullied by teachers for asking for feedback in my own way. They kept telling me to stop asking "rhetorical questions" and "why cant you be like the other kids"
People can be comically stupid and apathetic towards their fellow humans sometimes. Sorry for this unfortunate thing.
Assholes…
@@sampier3632 it happens. I was young. Teachers were more old fashioned. It's life
@@LauLessPariah Thing os, it should be.. we shouldn't just sweep this shit under the rug. It needs to be addressed.
"Why can't you be like the other kids" is code for "I'm not cut out for this job"
Dude you just fuckin’ helped me save my life with that advice
There is something so comforting about this channel. Thor feels like that safe cousin in your family that's really patient and smart.
I feel that this misses the side where this approach can cause paralysis when the first problem is too hard to solve
Then you leave that problem (Can be hard to do), work on another problem and then go back to it.
Oof. I know this feeling all to damn well, I'm not even sure if I do have ADHD but this is something in particular that really stops me from making progress in areas I need to be makeing progress in. This was a huge problem for me in school subjects in my freshman year but it's not as bad now that I've graduated. I still have this issue somewhat for things like my art since I didn't work on it as much because school was busy as heck.
Potential fix: start a 5 min (or whatever interval feels right for you) timer when you start a task. If you find yourself unable to make progress (too hard, uncertain what to do, decision paralysis, executive dysfunction, etc) by the time the timer goes off, switch to a different task for the time being and come back to it in a bit.
At least in theory, it should keep you from tunnel visioning too hard or spending so long stuck that it devours all your energy and you end up stuck in brain-dialtone mode all day, and the list should help ensure you don't forget to come back to it.
if the first problem's too hard, i skip to the next one and come back round
When testing in school i was almost always first to finish, with high score. Granted i would miss-skim a question here or there, but i could skip to the next question and find the answer to the previous quite often also.
This is so true! I have ADHD and I turn all my tasks into getting points. Dishes 3 points, laundry 1 point for wash, 1 for drying, 1 for folding etc. One day when I had the day off from work, and the wife was away with family with our kid, I got a highscore of 113 points and only then did I realize how phenominal the house looked inside and out! The wife came home VERY happy.
What are you doing with the points afterwards?
@@batuan666 I don't really do anything with the points, but typically speaking, the more points I get, the happier the wife is? So I guess I'm buying happy wife tokens???
@@IDrankALavaLampyes and humans like numbers go up so
This will be my problem. I know those points don't go to anything. In a real video game I earn the initial cash or tokens, then later they manifest in tangible rewards through purchasing power or otherwise, incentivising the next big thing.
@@5324er Dopamine is the key here. Exchange the points into somethings what pleasures your dopamine receptors.
It almost feels like a win just to finally hear someone else say this sh*t. Thank you
im a 3d modeler and whenever i make slight adjustments i instantly go into the game and appreciate my own work and how the slightest change does so much, keeps me motivated
In a study around why adhd is so common for a mutation, they tasked people with foraging for food. The study found that people with adhd went to more patches than the people without and collected more as a result.
The ADHD brain is starved of Dopamine and Norepinephrine. So they seek out tasks that provide these, this can lead to easily becoming addicted to quanta. However, this is counteracted by the short reaction time of these neurochemicals and diminishing returns, leading those with ADHD to quickly pick up and drop habits.
A common side effect of this is the establishment of synapses between related tasks (Hebbian Learning), leading to synaptic plasticity that leverages a significant amount of edges and less nodes in their neural graph network.
I can see this potentially being a mutation caused by increasingly complex environments and shorter attention spans.
Not the full thing. The people without ADHD finished bushes, rather than hopping around to every other one. This led to those without ADHD starving themselves by having to go farther and farther away.
Thor, as a person with ADHD, you totally nailed this. Remember the game Math Blaster? We crushed that shit, just couldn't get our stupid paper homework done!
Damn! Wasn't ready for that whiplash.
Yanked me back 20+ years.
OMG Math Blaster was my childhood. Thank you!
I went to an alternative school for junior and senior high-school years in the mid 2010's, before the proper advent of online schooling because of general anxiety and undiagnosed adhd.
Alot of my learning was on my own without a teacher, so to pass on time and fix my GPA I had to grind hard to make up how behind I was.
The system we used was a couple chapters from a text book with a quiz that followed that gave me instant information on what I may have been incorrect on. It gave me instant feed back and that system allowed me during spring break to finish 3 classes from home.
I quite literally speed ran my senior year. (my pb was 8 hours for an entire music arts course)
As a person with ADHD, gaming has been my go to hobby ever since childhood, its the #1 thing that keeps my mind and body not only still but focused.
This is so true. Also, having a task that's difficult enough to be a challenge quite often helps. Easy tasks are boring and won't get done well, but a difficult task will quite often get done faster and with higher quality of work.
Oh my god wait is that why I never wanted to do the easy tasks first growing up? My Mom always said “Well starting easy and going to hard would be easier” but for the life of me I had to get into and do the hard task first. At the time I just assumed it was so I can say the hard part is done so I can worry about the smaller things. But reading this I’m like “Oh yeah… more complex tasks are usually easier for people with ADHD to do because it’s a puzzle, not just a task.”
wait is that why i've always sucked at easy math even though the stuff that's supposed to be more complicated always came easily to me? learn something new everyday fr
I saw a doctor saying that people with ADHD would function just as well as normal people if they're in situations with direct/ immediate results or consequences.
honestly i have really bad adhd and ive been feeling really overwhelmed with work as i am the only mechanic at my shop and i am constantly having to bounce between cars and honestly this is some of the best advice ive ever heard and honestly makes very much sense to me. I love playing my racing sim which gives me tons of feedback instantly and my car is pretty fun to drive makes all the cool noises, which is pretty much instant feedback in a way. It all makes sense now thank you good sir. i like that instant feedback but that also explains why i am very impaitent at times
This is also why we struggle in the workplace sometimes. When you show up late to work and don't get immediately punished for it. It's the same thing.
Yes, same as college. Once there's no immediate consequences anymore to stuff like skipping class or being late, it will happen. Sometimes even on a regular basis, or until there's consequences, like losing your job or dropping out. Some mornings you just won't get out of your bed for some reason, no matter how happy you'd be to
Yeah, that's consistent with researcher findings. My question is where is Thor getting these ADHD test subjects and running A/B testing on them? Where is he hiding them?
Thor actually made a binding vow to have access to all of human knowledge but he can only access it by drawing in ms paint
Maybe the ferrets are the test subjects
Lmfao @@connorbozynski1006
lol what do you think "employees" are for management? :D
It might just be intuitive. I once tutored a kid whose mom told me that she was trying to get him tested for autism. She didn’t know for sure if he had it. It took them two months to get the results, while it took me fifteen minutes to determine that he did. And I was right. It’s like gaydar but for neurodivergency.
Converting every task into a game suddenly makes it like a 100 times doable.
What you are actually doing is breaking a task down into easier chunks it isnt rocket science :D
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Bro just casually gave me life changing advice.
My mom realized when I was pretty young, before I was diagnosed with adhd that turning my chores into a game was the only way to get me to do them, and that giving me a time limit on my homework got it done with less fights.
Not a coder or anything, but my boss realized this with me pretty early on in my career with him. I work nights alone, so i dont have any coworkers with me, but my boss started thanking me in a text at the start of my shift to tell me hes thankful for all the work i do for him. The nights he thanks me are the days my morning crew ends up having a good start to their day and tell him the store was perfect because i end up going above my required job title and duties to help out. Instant gratification and rewards really go a long way in the workplace, also, being thanked by the boss personally makes me feel like i just dont work their but am an actual asset to the team.
Not sure if this fully fits the theme of the video, but thought I'd share anyways.
While I do have coworkers on my night shift, there's only 3-4 of us on a given night and I'm the shift lead. Having the daily interaction where I talk one-on-one with my director every morning to give a report of all the incidents that occurred after-hours is one of the things that keeps me engaged. It lets me jump between all the ongoing events and tickets while contributing to the troubleshooting while also noting the important information for that morning briefing. Without that, my brain would 100% be wandering off on some distraction-fueled quest.
It absolutely fits and is amazing!!!
Also I'm dying to ask wtf kind of job has someone working alone at night?? 😂 I don't mean that in a judgemental way... But in a, my curiosity is absolutely PEAKED
This is why I like functional programming; I break everything down into small, easy-to-make, and testable elements.
Programming in general is a great outlet IMO. Its one of the only things that consistently challenges my problem solving skills.
Except for config hell. F that Sht
Functional Programming.
YOU WOULD BE A GREAT PIANO PLAYER.Because that's how it's learned.
A whole composition is broken down to numbers.
Let's say there a 30 secs piece. You simply count the amount and deal with 4 to 8 keys at a time. Then tie them to the next set.
ADHD is Hellfor me too. I haven't been diagnosed because I thought my state of mind would scare the normal folk.
When I get really dark and depressed, my entire family think I'm taking illicit drug's.
They don't know a thing about consciousness.
When I was a little kid, we had a series of computer games for basic math and English. I loved it, and those fundamentals stuck with me far more effectively than anything I learned in school.
This is why I do well in online math classes, but get absolutely destroyed by in person math classes. Having the instant feedback on my incorrect thinking helps me correct my thought process instantly, rather than waiting for someone to correct my paper letting me think I'm doing it right but actually be wrong for a full ass week.
That's honestly just normal for people who pay attention and learn from their mistakes, really. Instant feedback is more efficient for learning, period. It's just not necessary for "normal" people who actually know how to do a task correctly.
Yea idk if this is adhd. But knowing right away if the process you used is correct or not is a great way to not form bad habits.
Great point! As a therapist, this is how I encourage my clients with ADHD to approach tasks. Don't underestimate short term rewards!
true ADHD: procrastinate and do neither
edit: lol i'm sorry i caused all this fighting
You’re just trully lazy at this point
@@raafikilevraienv2v procrastination is one of the severe symptoms of adhd. educate yourself please
@@stardemonkei Nah, I'm a moderate functioning ADHD, and I found it easier to do things when I split my task into multiple small parts. I procrastinate playing games a lot when it's 80 hours main story JRPGs, but I found myself really into fighting games, and Devil May Cry; mostly on training mode, or spending time redo one single floor of bloody palace over, and over again. While I've procrastinated Yakuza Kiwami for 2 months.
Also, When I play RPGs, I'm the type of person who'll finish all the open world, while leaving the main story is untouched. And I enjoy anime a lot because each episode is only 20 minutes long. I've marathon attack on titan 3 times so far because each episodes is short.
@@stardemonkei so is using ADHD as a front to avoid accountability
@stardemonkei also procrastination is not a symptom, its maladaptive behavior as a response to engaging with a symptom.
Excluding any comorbid diagnoses, it is also extremely easy to treat, especially in the age of the internet.
So if someone is hiding behind it they are in fact just lazy with ADHD, and that's okay. You have the right to be lazy whenever you want to be.
However just stop lying about it, it makes the rest of us with ADHD look like a bunch of twats who can't take accountability.
This is SO true. I'm a novelist with ADHD and the only way I manage to push out full length novels is because I have a patreon where I get feedback on every new chapter I complete.
Me with adhd: boy I cant wait for my *annual* review at work!
Oh man that feedback in six months is gonna be so sick... getting that 25 cent raise I know is basically guaranteed is gonna really nudge that one dopamine molecule a bit looser.
I believe Mark Rober did a Ted Talk on something similar to this that he called “The Super Mario Effect”
this is why i make art. Every part of the process is an immediate visual change. I can see my artwork being finished in real time.
I'm very much the opposite when it comes to art :(. It's hard to like what I've drawn until it's finished, so it's always delayed gratification
I’m the same, but for painting models. Only hobby I’ve kept going for 25+ years since it’s a constant drip of feedback as I work on things.
@@codelyoko363 this is when your technique is unpolished yeah, confidence in the technical aspect goes a long way to the instant gratification elements of creativity
for now, give it as much time as you can every day, even if that's only 10 minutes, refinement will come to you with an accumulation of small efforts and eventually you'll gain that confidence needed to appreciate intermediate steps
As a person with ADHD and plenty more to my story, I’m a real one in that regard. I really like this man’s advice because I’m sitting around too much when I’m not working and I excuse myself because I work physically hard but the sitting around in my life is letting everything just sort of sink to squalor. The only place I put in effort anymore is at work and then at home I scroll and smoke weed and drink and eat. The whole dopamine thing has me pretty focused on the drinking and smoking, but I remember when I was younger I was still me, but I got high off of moving and doing something new every couple of minutes rather than just seeing something move across the screen while loaded
Example: I had a friend who was never taught to brush his teeth as a kid, and got sick of the shame whenever he went to a dentist. His therapist recommended self feedback/self recognition IE he got a little paper calendar and some shiny little stickers. Every day he brushed, he gave himself a little gold star for that day, and if he got the whole week he got one of the nice stickers, like a Squirtle or something. It sounds like kid stuff but now he brushes twice a day and he hasn't missed a day for years (except once while getting throat surgery).
The problem with that is that I'm also resistant to reverse psychology when I think it's happening. And because I'm doing it to myself, I'm resistant to implementing that reward system.
I wouldn't call this reverse psychology (I wouldn't call anything reverse psychology really, it's all just psychology) but I get what you mean. I'm not sure how it works for you, but in my case I see myself as an authority figure in my life and i don't deal well with authority figures and i especially hate the idea of 'having' to do something. So the question then is 'how do I stop resisting what want myself to do?'. I can't speak universally here, but in my case it was a question of trying to realign with myself. I feel like a lot of ADHDers start yelling at themselves in their heads when things don't go their way, and it's incredibly important to have your own back even if you mess up.
Anyway, sorry for the big ass rant on your comment and i hope this helps someone
I completely get this. If I know I'm trying to hack myself, it won't work. Or it'll work, but for a single day, and I will have one single day of extreme productivity. The next day I'm burnt out in bed the whole day and feel horrendous about it
This is why I love duo lingo. It's all gamified and the ba-ding every time I'm correct scratches my brain.
I suggest Busuu instead, it's even better and you actually get to learn something. Duolingo is designed to keep you engaged as long as possible by teaching you almost nothing, and in the wrong way.
@@ok_listen maybe it is teaching in your wrong way, but I've been benefitting from it quite a bit.
@@ok_listen I've been using duolingo for a few years now, and I can confidently read Japanese, I want to keep my streak, so it keeps me coming back. It's aided by the fact that I consume tons of media that's in Japanese as well. So I get to learn context as well.
And Honestly, that's how I learned Chinese as a child, through repetitition I memorise, and through consuming media I understand. Anything that encourages repetition is how I learn best. Duolingo has also improved over the years that I've used it. They're always trying to make it better.
Ahhh damn that's one of the reasons I love programming so much, instant feedback, good insights
This works so well, but if you work at a job that doesnt give immediate feedback or info, it just kills your productivity lol
I heard that one ADHD strategy might only work for some time and then you move onto another strategy
it honestly depends on the person and strategy. 'gamify things in your life' is not necessarily a single strategy but rather a way of recontextualizing all your future tasks, so different ways of gamifying things will have different lifespans depending on how much you use them, what kind of tasks they are for, and how well they work for you specifically. I personally have autism as well as ADHD so some strategies that work for many with ADHD will conflict with my need for structure, while other strategies that won't work for ADHDers might work better for me.
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My brain not letting me do dishes untill i can find a shop that accepts mental dish points
Try sorting stuff as you go. If you have a cutlery rack for drying stuff, put all the spoons in one slot all the forks in another, etc. Little hits of "that's correct" every time.
Thank you!! I have tried so many things like breaking down the tasks into smaller chunks or just achieve one thing at a time. But I do love seeing feedback from gaming.
This is why I love puzzle games. You get stumped for a few minutes, figure it out, and you get very satisfying feedback.
Yes!!! I love systematically trying every reasonable solution and immediately seeing what I did. I love crunchy games with big impacts.
Ironically it's why I hate puzzle games, I get frustrated and give up 😭
I honestly love a good puzzle game where a nap can let me solve it when stuck, but hate ones with bad designs (eather testing is rather involved, so it takes a while to see if I'm right, or adds new things without telling me that's possible)
can confirm. i find it very difficult to learn by reading a book, because when i wonder about a little detail, which the book does not cover, i can't focus on the book any longer
Lol this happens to me with tv shows as well.
@@okaydanni yes, point being: best way for me to learn is someone explaining it to me, then i can ask immediately.
@zegonix This is why I find it so difficult to learn to code. All the free programs don't allow me to ask questions and I ain't paying an ungodly amount to go to through a 200 hour course!
The problem with this statement as many things about ADHD is that it's very relatable for everyone.
The main difference in my opinion is that a person with ADHD those tools are not just helpful but critical to absorb the full content.
Several times per year I take work related safety exams, and their ADHD friendly in the degree that pop quizes have to be answered after each "chapter/topic" 50%-75% of those questions are the final exam.
No trickery, just copy pasted avoiding running down a new rabbit hole.
There is no chance I would ever be able to pass without the interruptions.
My education professor said that if something is really good for one group of people with an issue it's usually really good for everyone.
So the example he used was if a student needs a lessons notes every class period, he just made the lesson notes available to everyone because someone would else would find it helpful even if they didn't need to have it.
@@skyacedoes2646 this is the basis for universal design, something we should all embrace .
This is actually a really good point. And I can apply the logic to the tasks that I can actually do in one go (when i get around to it). 'Immediate feedback' may be as simple as looking back and seeing that the grass you just mowed is shorter, or seeing more and more dishes on the rack and less that haven't been cleaned.
I've been so incredibly depressed these past few days and this actually speaks to me considering how much I'm struggling through my career and life. Love you and your content. Thanks for being an angel.
“Hack Yourself” -Thor
That will be a single on a future album now, you have writing credits.
I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD but what you just described is like instant gratification for me and it has to be exterior sources. I'm instantly intrigued by someone or something actively keeping my progress, giving me advice, telling me I was wrong and how to fix it or telling me I was right, showing me where I've made gains or showing me how much I've learned.... If I try to hack myself or you tell me just to do that for myself then give me a list to do I will become so insanely bored and annoyed by the work that it will take me so much longer to complete even if I'm continuously giving myself imaginary points because they mean nothing to me since I'm the one that created the point system.
this is 100% true. i was diagnosed with adhd and got put on medication for it, but unfortunately, the meds only make me focus better and don’t re-wire my brain. when i was studying for my comptia security+ exam, i only studied for 5 days, and the strategy i would use was to do each study problem myself, and then after each problem, i would ask chat gpt to verify my answer. it was extremely efficient for me and i basically had no hiccups. if you have adhd, take advantage of how your brain works instead of sitting there wishing you were normal.
edit: i forgot to mention, my score was a 795/900, which is honestly pretty good considering i only studied for a week.
My ADHD got me stuck listening to the background music..... I have to watch this again 😂
Watched it again....I'm gonna hack myself 😅
Kahoot saved me, and it is literally gamified trivia.
Dude found the most ADHD song from his soundtrack lmao
“Make yourself lists, give yourself points, hack yourself.”
Holy moly I don’t even have ADHD but he was cooking 🔥
so this is why duolingo works better than my highschool class
As a person with adhd how dare you call me out like this my brain is not some simple jelly lump that you can sidestep with gamifying, also ur entirely correct omfg
So adhd has issues with instant gratification
Not quite - it's not instant gratification, but instant feedback. If you don't get feedback instantly, it feels like you're dumping your effort into a bottomless pit of meaninglessness.
As long as the feedback is useful, and not always negative, it doesn't matter if it's a reward or not, we just need immediate feedback.
If I do something, and it takes you an hour to tell me, and I know it will take you an hour to tell me if I did it right, I'm going to spend the next hour with a good portion of my working memory occupied with the task I've *already completed*, because it's not actually done until I get feedback.
Or, in the event I do mentally finish the task, finishing a task without feedback is frequently worse than (helpful) negative feedback, because it disconnects the feedback from the task, meaning I did a task no one cared enough to give me feedback on, and is therefore useless/worthless, and I'm also getting feedback for a task I didn't do.
This might sound silly, but ADHD is a deep alteration in how someone's brain perceives many things, including cause and effect, time, and motivation.
It's not about gratification, JUST some kind of feedback. The distinction is important.
@@leakingamps2050 Trying to explain these things to someone who doesn't share the same issue is..... often such a frustrating experience. I think you put this into words really well tho. ADHD'er myself and this just, nails so well what I feel everyday.
I only know of this guy from playing the Heartbound demo. But I really enjoy how he gives you a more grounded understanding of game development. It’s not easy, but it’s an art form I enjoy and respect. Some of the greatest games took years of painstaking detail.
You hit the nail on the head. I am an engineer and when I submit things for review and they send them back hours later unless it is urgent that thing is going to the bottom of the pile, I hate having to switch gears in a moment notice and takes me a bit to reorient myself to another task especially if I am on a roll.
TO couple woth this, I have a job where at any point I can be interupted. A phone rings, now I need to be a sales man. I get Task A, told to put that aside and do task B, to told to be put that aside and do task C.
It's so much better when there isn't constant interuptions
Some things I've learned to gamify, whilst others still stump me but I one hundred percent attest to learning things faster than others when there is immediate feedback as he explained.
I typically don't approach problems and tasks
I’ve never thought of it this way and homework has always been a problem for me if it wasn’t online where I knew if I got something right or wrong, I’ll be needing this, thank you Thor 🙏
Honestly even immediately telling me if I was right or wrong is fantastic as well. As my mind is still on the problem and makes it more likely for me to try to fix it
Dopamine release makes us happy. Instant reward makes more dopamine. More dopamine means more happy.
More happy means more doing.
As someone with ADHD, you nailed it here, this is exactly what doing homework feels like. It's why I'm really into gamedev as well, the instant feedback of hours of programming working is how I can stay focused on it for so long.
This probably good advice for anyone who struggles to do tasks due to whatever they have and can be a good teaching method for them.
It’s crazy how overtime ADHD just sounds like higher throughput over time. Your brain just runs at a higher clock cycle and isn’t attuned to slower clock cycles from neurotypical brains.
Sadly that's not true.
it's not like this at all. it's the dysharmony between two regiona
Task lists drain the motivation out of me, but the bit about instant feedback is so real. The only job I performed really well at was the one where I got tons of good feedback and consistent interest from the team.
Basically it depends on how the tasks are formatted, at least that's what I'm assuming
No, it is more based on feedback. With no instant feedback, ADHD people just lose interest as it feels like they are not getting anything done. If there is some sort of feedback, they will feel like they are actually doing things and they will find it more engaging.
I’m an auto tech and this is so true. I do auto electrical and when you’re diagnosing a car for electrical issues you will end up with a list of test that you’re going to run in an attempt to find the issue. Each set of pins I test give me immediate feedback on the state of the circuit. I do that until I find an issue in the circuit or run out of tests. If I run out of tests then I can conclude the circuit is fine and shift my eyes to the components of the circuit that is causing issues. I diagnose issues accurately much faster than anyone in my shop
True that's why wait for the last day to start working on it and submit