How A Mother's Love Ended The War Of The Roses | Britain's Bloody Crown | Timeline
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- The Wars of the Roses ended in August 1485 when Henry Tudor defeated Richard III at the battle of Bosworth. However, Henry would never have become king and founded the Tudor dynasty without his mother, Margaret Beaufort. Historian Dan Jones concludes his history of the feud by revealing how the widow kept her only son safe as England descended into chaos and why she embarked upon a bold but risky plan to place him on the throne.
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When George R. R. Martin said that reality surpasses any work of fiction, this is what he meant.
Exactly. ASOI&F is a deep, complex story but it is nothing like reality.
@@krim7 it WOULD be a complex story if he ever finished it.
Robert is edward 4 ;)
Joffery is Edward of Anjou
@@tomsnydercricket more like richard ll
The narrative decision to leave Margaret and Henry out of the plot until the last episode, then tie their story together with the history already told, was *brilliant*
Dan Jones is not only a good historian but he's quite a story teller too. This is exactly what sold me to cancel netflix and get History Hit lmfao
I agree 100%
@@juantonio0788 Can now confirm. Bought his Wars of the Roses book immediately after watching this.
She gave birth when she was thirteen years old. And she was tiny. Her confessor John Fisher said later that it was 'a miracle that a baby could be born of so little a personage'. He would have been called in because it was expected that Margaret would die in childbirth.
As well she should’ve, 🐱 has started many wars.
christ, were margaret, henry, richard and edward the only available names back then?? makes this 10x harder to remember
lol yes, i have to keep back tracking..trying to understand it
In old Europe parents named their children after relatives. I come from a mennonite family and they still do this to this day. All the children have the same names as the uncles , aunts, parents and grandparents, this is why they all have the same names.
@@doggydeeds all the more confusing when marrying cousins was more common. but yea, now i can see how this could happen lol
@MICHAEL GOLD We're long overdue for a Stephen II. There hasn't been a William in a long time either. William of Orange I believe was the last. You'd think it'd be the most popular since the actual conqueror would be the namesake.
Only the numbers changed!
Margaret's husband, Lord Stanley was a piece of work. The Stanley clan usually fought on both sides of any battle so that they were always on the winning side. At Bosworth, he and his troops held back until they saw the tide turn towards Henry Tudor and then rode in on his side. He picks up Richard's bloodied crown out of the mud and proclaims his stepson King of England.
he Stanley Cup is named after one of his descendants
@@samkohen4589 Cool! Didn't know that, thanks 🤗
I'm one of his descendants and they are still 2 faced and crazy as Heck
@@jazzyzaya0205 🤣🤣🤣
@@jazzyzaya0205 LOL!
These stories, as beautiful as they are, always devastate me. To think what this young woman went through. Pregnant and widowed so young, then to hand over her baby only to be whisked off into another marriage. The absolute horror. Not that anyone back then (man or woman) had it very easy….. I can’t imagine the strength it would take to merely survive a day after being separated from my baby. And that’s from the perspective of an adult brain. But to be a child herself?! Horrific. Truly. I’m so sad for them and all they went through.
Oh yes! Poor men! 😑
Margaret Beaufort is a truly strong and amazing woman! She's one of those people who simply did what they had to do to survive and by extension, help their children.
She did what she had to in order to survive at that time. Women did not have any rights back then, to even have custody or to own land on their own. It makes me thankful that times are much better today than where they used to be 500 years back.
@@ingridakerblom7577Yes. The ones who did the fighting. Time was tough for everyone.
And that without adderall & prozac 😂 The people then...and now are intensely different compared to eachother.
It's pretty easy to understand England history. The fight is always between a Richard and a Henry, nevermind the prefix after their name.
Since when does a PREfix go after anything?
Evidently, you haven't yet wrapped your little mind around the English language, let alone English History.
@@blueheron5232 ouch
@@blueheron5232 I was going to congratulate you for a little linguistic zinger, but then you had to go and insult him with that "little mind" bit. Unfortunate you went there.
Yeah with some pauses to fight the French.
Also someone is locked up in the tower of London, and someone escapes to France.
What a great series of documentaries. It makes it more clear why Henry the 8th was so desperate for a male heir. To continue a dynasty that had barely started.
Why Henry VII was ruthless in protecting his crown.
The interesting part for me is that Henry 8ths wife,Anne Boleyn was related to Thomas Stanley. Stanley was. 12x great uncle of mine ,descended from Robert John Litchfield . My 15 times great grandfather . Anna Maria Boylen and George I Boylen were grandchildren of Robert Litchfield and first cousins of Ann Boylen and her brother George ,who were both executed ,same as Thomas Stanley's brother ,by beheading in the tower.The Stanley's were also Grandchildren of Litchfield . Their father was lord Sir Rowland Standley .Margets husband also derived power by being the Bishop of Eli.
@@Mercmad you have a claim your majesty
A mother’s love for her child can lead her to do extraordinary things.
It sure does. The power of a mother's love for her children should not be underestimated. ❤
Absolutely ❤
And vicious nasty things as well.
Yes, such as treason against the lawful king.
@@Moose.-vy5ye Yep. Funny how so many people seem to this this she-wolf is someone to be admired.
I've watched this series as well as Britain's Bloodiest Dynasty. And now this series ended with Henry Tudor as the King of England. I hope your team will continue to tell the tales of The Tudors since I love to hear and learn more about our past histories. Love your production for both series.
Kay Mitchell why are you such a snob?
I’d love to see this kind of reenactment from the beginning. The start of English kings to the most recent
I watched the series "Reign" on Netflix and absolutely loved it and then I watched "The Tudors".GROSS!! I WATCHED ONE EPISODE AND FREAKED OUT BECAUSE IT WAS GORY EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT TIME PERIOD WAS EXTREMELY GROSS AND VIOLENT. THE TUDORS WERE BUT SOME OF THE PLANTSGENESNTS WERE JUST AS MURDEROUSO PEOPLE & DECAPITATED PEOPLE, BUT NOT QUITE AS MUCH AS ANY OF THE TUDORS. YUCK!. I WASN'T QUITE PREPARED FOR THAT SO I HAD TO TRY TO GET SOME SLEEP THAT NIGHT AND SHAKE IT OFF FOR 2 DAYS AFTER WATCHING A ROMANTIC HALF TRUE AND HALF MYSTICAL STORY OF QUEEN MARY SCOTT'S. I WENT BACK TO WATCHING THE TUDORS AND WATCHED THE EPISODE ONE AFTER THE OTHER BECAUSE I WAS HOOKED. MY FAVORITE IS THE WHITE QUEEN AND THEN THE WHITE PRINCESS AND THE TUDORS BUT I WAS ALSO WAITING TO SEE THE RED QUEEN
I thought this series was in chronological order. I’m sad now
@@sarcasticdooky1026 Okay, I'll bite. "WTH is Kay Mitchell?"
The actress who played Margaret was phenomenal !
Beautiful too, with intense, emotional eyes!
I think she also played Eleanor of Aquitaine in "Britain's Bloodiest Dynasty".
She didn't really say anything
Margaret of Anjou actress was better
She and also the guy that played Richard II in plantagenet series.
Feeling a bit sad that I have to part. 4th of the 4 episodes are over. The whole story has grown on me so much. Great work. Thank you.
Same feeling here too. Im sad. sigh. These series were SOOOO GOOD!!
Only if there was more murder!
@@RoyontheHill LOL loads more murders, just follow the story Henry the 8th's and his wives and children's lives
Man, what a Woman!
Watch Britain's Bloody Dynasty if you haven't already
It was a miracle Margaret lived through the birthing process at 13 years old. Even today most very young teenager's are cesarean deliveries. Smart girl though. Well beyond her years.
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It always seemed odd to me that she never had any other children with her two other husbands. But historians now believe she likely went into premature menopause at 13 because of the toll the birth took on her body. There is actually some evidence of this. Her hair lost its shine prematurely (after menopause the body no longer naturally secrets the hormone that makes hair shiny) and she started getting a tinkles early.
People have been known to go through premature menopause after a particularly traumatic birth. it’s the body’s way of making sure this life threatening occurrence never happens again but Margaret would be the youngest women in record.
*wrinkles
Therese O'Brien That is a very interesting theory. Food for thought.
More likely, as they said, the harshness of childbirth at so tender an age did too much damage to her immature, not full developed body.
It's amazing how mum's throughout history have protected their children.
They've been doing that since the beginning and still do so nothing new.
It's what we do!
Unfortunately this is not always the case. Some do the opposite.
The ending when Henry wins the battle gives me goosebumps everytime. This was extremely well done!
Both her and Isabel should be discussed more often in Women's Studies. Both of those women changed England with strategies that are used today. Margaret and Isabel knew how to get what they wanted by playing the game of politics.
I'd say that the lessons of both were well learned. There's a reason modern society is the way it is after all.
Especially considering Margaret founded colleges at Oxford and Cambridge. She was actually a brilliant woman.
@Kay Mitchell you do realise that this person might be speaking English as a second language, and thus their grammatical mistake doesn't show their lack of knowledge but their journey. Also, as long they're able to fully express their thoughts, we are no one to judge. Most of us speak one language and act like we've been endowed with the supreme duty of correcting others in a condescending manner.
Which Isabel
@@l2516 isabel of France who killed her husband (King Henry) by Her brother hands (King John).
More agile than Cleopatra, quite ruthless, and politically gifted as well. She was pretty damned scary herself. Wish I'd been a fly on the wall at some of the negotiating she did with current and potential allies. Nerves of steel, that one. Established the Tudor line and stopped the Plantagents' long reign.
*Plantagenet
the tudor line didn't last long though.
She was a Plantagenet. As was her daughter in law. She did not really stop them. They turned on one another.
@@izzieandavadanuggets9325 they're all Plantagnets. Just different cousins killing each other.
@@zarni000 Yet it's the most famous dynasty of English monarchs so it doesn't matter that it didn't last as long as others.
"Don't hate the playa, hate the game." - Margaret Beaufort
💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭
This made me laugh.
LOL 😆 should be on a t-shirt with her Renaissance painted face
Awesome piece of documentary, the best of kind, Margaret truly stunning!!
Steady on . She's a 4 out of 10 at best
And that's being generous
Lol.
@@ld5420 🤣🤣
This series was great. I enjoyed it. Will have to watch again.
@@ld5420 I don't think he means on account of beauty, Tudor portraits were SHOCKING though, I doubt they did her justice
-Look, the body of Richard III
-What should we do?
-Obviously a parking lot
Gotta bury the body.
Okay - over there. Beneath the choir in the church is as good a place as any, I guess.
But what if the spot is covered with a parking lot centuries later?
What? You are speaking gibberish.
It wasn’t a carpark back then it was a church or an Abbey
Love Dan's documentaries. I didn't know very much about Margaret until now. But, wow, what a brilliantly machiavellian woman.
@Kay Mitchell WOW! You're just snarky.
@@phyllisdevries5734 why? She used Machiavellian techniques to get what she wanted/needed… she was smart in a terrible time period. It’s not necessarily a put down
"Got you boyyy !" Did.. did I just get jump scared by an English history documentary ???
Same 😂
Definitely a jump scare! I squirted soda out of my nose when this happened....
Mee too!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I probably would have too, but then my eyes glanced at this comment exactly before it😂
I love this dudes presentation. Large medieval backgrounds, open fields, grand architecture
A' 13 year old single mum founded the most famous dynasty in Britain'
Truly amazing
A wonderful video!
The Tudors were the most vicious dynasty in English history. Henry VII murdered the remaining Yorkist children and instituted what is known as Morton’s Fork which made him despised throughout the nobility. The ordinary people still mourned Richard, whose policies were some of the most forward thinking in English history. Henry VIII left the Catholic Church and murdered those who remained Catholic. Then they got Mary Tudor who murdered Protestants on a grand scale. Then they got Elizabeth who went back to murdering Catholics. The English people were far better off with Richard, who was a competent ruler and a strong but benevolent man who never murdered anyone.
@@nbenefielElizabeth did create the religious settlement, the catholic plots against her made her harsher on them later on
Margaret Beaufort schemed for years to put her son on the throne he had no right to. Her husband betrayed Richard at Bosworth. As for this single mom stuff, she barely knew Henry. She certainly did not struggle to raise him by herself.
Yes. I'm sure Henry VIII's two murdered wives must have deeply appreciated Margaret's role in that.
Are we just going to ignore the mad king was prophetic
Why do you think he was mad? Living in such a filthy time with such animals. He wasn't an imbecile
@Diamond Frostmane what are you talking about? We were talking about mad king Henry the 6th! I never mentioned Edward the 4th!
That 'prophecy' was later Tudor propaganda to legitimise their claim to the throne. Presenting it as fact was a rare miss for this guy.
@@LoneKharnivore Not that rare.
Maybe he was not mad after all...
Margaret did a lot for Henry, what strikes me is what his uncle did for him. At a time when not being immediate family meant nothing, Henry's uncle did everything for him, joined him in exile, helped lead his armies and made sure that the battles where for something rather than for naught. Jasper deserves his own place in history for taking his nephew's cause and not expecting anything in return, more than his mother who knew she would get what was needed when her son took the throne.
MAYBE HIS UNCLE WAS A PEDO? XD
Neither one could do what they did without the other. Jasper kept Henry safe and made sure he knew what he needed to know about being a leader, while Margaret maneuvered the politics in England and provided financial support. Henry owed his crown to both of them. And he knew it, too.
@wewenang5167 You might want to seek help for a preoccupation with that subject if that's where your mind immediately goes.
I confess ( as a Colonial ) .. after many years of off and on reading about the Wars of the Roses... this series has made the events much clearer. Thanks.
It is actually quite simple.
Those who were not decapitated, were smothered to death.
@@u.v.s.5583 And whoever won got to write the history
@@Maya-bu2rf exactly I don’t believe any off the bs real life was nothing like it’s written
Watch a series called the white queen 👑 & there are 2 more series that follow behind it or infront 🌹 or series called the tudors . All well made
The actor who played Edward IV is absolutely gorgeous!!
So was the guy who played Henry VII
This documentary is
30% Good storytelling 👏
30% Good acting 👏
30% Good production 👏
10% Dan's dashing model shots 👌
*king changes for 1000th time*
Margret: ah sh t here we go again
😂😂😂
Margaret Beaufort..... Probably one of the greatest single parent mums in history....
Lee Donaldson ..."great" might be a matter of opinion. "Strong", "ruthless", "driven", "cunning"......
And she definitely is the oldest looking 13-year-old I've ever seen.
Well Aileen McMillan all she wanted was her son's lands and titles restored to him. I don't think she was wanting him to be king because his claim was small. She also grew fond of the Yorks especially the children. I think she was tired of the constant fighting and like me, she wanted to protect her child and did what she had to do.
A young, single mother in a divided country where women had little to no rights at all. I doubt she was the only woman of her time to be like that. It must have been tough to have men call all the shots. I never could have survived during that time. I would have opened my mouth and blown it and was hanged.
@@shannonreynolds624 no you would learn .I know it sounds sexist but all the smart women back then spoke little but when they spoke they made it count ,so if you were put in that place u would learn to be calculative
Ehh.. Margaret was chosen by King Henry VI himself to be the bride of his half brother Edmund Tudor.. not to mention the Tudor family was not the "nobodies" suggested in the documentary.. They were connected by blood to many Welsh prominent figures.
Henry VI even supported both of his half brothers Edmund and Jasper Tudor (at least after his mothers death) but again its not talked about in the documentary
Is it just me or by the time Henry Tudor came to power, York and Lancaster were both so intermarried that it's difficult to tell who was on the York or Lancaster side, or whether there were even 2 separate houses at this point?
LOL! very good point
At the they were fighting it was known as "The Cousins' War" exactly because they were all related. The term "The Wars of the Roses" was first used by Sir Walter Scott in the 1820s.
How history repeats itself!!! It was Matilda who helped her son Henry the Second to establish the Plantagenet dynasty. And now it's Margaret Beaufort who helped her son Henry the Seventh to establish the Tudor dynasty.
Exactly
That's a beautiful coincidence. I could almost call it fate.
Crazy how these people were just living their lives and hundreds of years later millions of people are sitting here wanting to know what they did
Finally! I have read a lot of the history of England and it's monarchy but had not managed to sort out what 'started' the War of the Roses. The repetitive names of the time don't make things terribly easy in places. I also never understood how the two women actually managed to 'broker' the York/Lancaster marriage either as they somehow appeared to be on opposite 'sides'. This documentary series has helped me to sort out who was who and why it seemed to go back and forth in so many places. Thank you.
A female of course 🤷🏻♂️
every successful man there is always a woman who pushed him forward..@@michaelalemansr.8565
of course giving birth to a baby at age 13 is traumatic. 13 yr girl's shouldn't even be having babies! Back then they didn't have the medical technology we have now which might have helped her. I want to say it is amazing she survived.
Even in those days it was unheard of for 13 year olds to give birth
Sadly, child brides weren't seen as wrong back then and were quiet common with the legal age for consent being as low as twelve years old, and they didn't mention that Margaret was actually married off to Edmund Tudor at the age of nine. Nine! All they had to do was keep the young girl at home, or get an edict from the church that forbade the man from touching her, until the girl was more mature (though not all of the listened to the order and sadly led to some young girls and child brides being raped by their husbands). We are lucky that it is illegal these days.
The Unofficial Historian young bethrothals were common but the actual marriage had to wait until the onset of menarche.
Sadly, like I said, not everyone followed the rules. Nine year old brides like Margaret were almost as common as betrothal in infancy, and some of them were, sadly, made to live with their husbands from their wedding day. Margaret was one of the "fortunate" ones, whose family waited until she had reached the age of consent, the start of puberty, before sending her to live with her first husband.
@vin 950 Sadly, back then, as disgusting as it is, a young girl could be married off as young as the age of nine, like Margaret was, but she usually wasn't supposed to be made to live with her husband until she started puberty, with the age of consent back then being as low as 12 years old. At the time, dates and things were recorded more accurately for nobles and the like, such as Margaret, then they were for the "common people", so the likelihood is the ages, dates and such given in records and such are pretty accurate, or only off by a year or so.
I legit teared up when Stafford got hit on the battlefield.
He was wearing LEATHER ARMOR, he had it coming !
@Jacque Jasper Plus the minimum age of marriage back then was twelve years old, so it was perfectly legal. Also, I cried too. That song makes me cry every time.
@@Zamolxes77 No problem, the others were wearing plastic mesh styled to look like 400 year old Norman armour.
Stafford was a nonce
@@BlackNoiseCat Trying to judge medieval people based on our current morals is pretty silly. Just imagine 500 years from now what they might think of stuff we think currently is normal.
Even though his actions were disgusting and wrong on every possible level, her grandson Henry VIII's desperation for a male heir is at least understandable... Margaret's son was essentially an upstart whose hereditary claim to the throne was very weak, at best. He was only able to enforce it because just about everyone who had a stronger claim than him was dead by that point. Henry VIII was her only grandson who lived to adulthood, and even by the time he became King, the Wars of the Roses were still fresh in many people's memories, and the peace that had been built was still fragile. No woman had ever become Queen of England in her own right; when Matilda tried to do that in the 12th century, the result was a huge civil war, just as devastating (if not even moreso) than the one the country was still recovering from. For all Henry VIII knew, being succeeded by a daughter may have plunged England into the darkness of civil war yet again. Thus why he was so desperate to have a son, and discarded women like old socks...
Excellent piece of analysis. Henry VIII was scared for his own dynasty and needed a son to carry it on.
I agree with William. If only Henry XIII could have foreseen the kind of Queen that his daughter with Anne Boleyn would become, or the literature she'd inspire that English Lit students are still writing about. She ran an England that sailed ships all over the world and established colonies, and set up the throne for James I who gave us the King James Version and Jamestown plantation that helped inspire the Mayflower Pilgrims a decade later. A LOT came from the Boleyn legacy after she married Henry. Anne's great nephew established the State of Delaware (named after him) and later became the first governor of Virginia Colony in the future USA.
@@blackcatnh history has no way of knowing what Elizabeth would have become had she lived a privileged, safe life. She might well have been a disaster. Her difficult upbringing forged her in iron.
@@leanie9660 this is true as well
Kinda ironic then what a sweet irony it is that it's his and Anne Boleyn s daughter that would become the greatest queen england s ever known. Her era one of it's kind. She wasn't the first English queen but certainly the most pivotal and prominent one.
everyone says Elizabeth woodville wasthe mother of the tudor dynasty but in my humble opinion Margaret Beaufort deserves that title just as much if not more so...
Margaret Beaufort was an amazing historical figure regardless of her nation of origin. That chick was incredibly blessed, guided and protected. An incredible destiny to start so early for one so young. No matter how many times I read about her; it never ceases to fascinate me. She was an pillar of iron with powerful ambition, foresight and a willingness to gamble to the max for her son. From a spiritual perspective of destiny; she made one over the top deal to accomplish what she did in a time when women were considered tools for wealth & power. She has my total admiration...... all these centuries later FOR SURE‼️💯💯💯👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
What if, in her drive toward destiny, she had the princes in the tower murdered? I have heard that put fourth as a theory - Even as being much more likely than Richard III being guilty of it. Like you, once I learned of her, I was amazed and impressed - Much admire her intelligence, courage and force of will - But what if she murdered those boys? That would change things.
@@kayzee2675 I also think she killed them. It makes more sense than for Richard to have done it. We will never know for sure...
@@kayzee2675 I don't think she could have because she came into the picture with the intention of securing her son's lands. Taking the throne was an after thought and even then it came after the boys had been killed. Margaret was what Maya Angelou would call a Phenomenon Woman, Woman Phenomenon that's She. I bow to her.
Why? You can still admire her intelligence, ingenuity, wiliness and foresight well still loathing the murder if she in fact orchestrated it
My ancestor a tough old broad. But her daughter in law was no less strong.
I've heard that Henry's flag bearer was killed by Richard's party as they charged towards him at Bosworth. Shows how close to Henry Richard's final charge was.
Only a stone's throw away, that's when Stanley decided which side he wanted to be on.
Years after the battle, the son of that fallen flag bearer befriended the king's son, the future Henry VIII, who later named that friend Duke of Suffolk. :)
restezlameme ...and then that duke was portrayed by the delicious Henry Caville (I don't care about the spelling)
think it had to be a bit farther than stones throw, it takes longer than that to charge down from a ridge.
Ronin yea and medieval chronicles and such are not very trustworthy sources. I mean the broad strokes of what they write is usually true, but everything is greatly exagerated. numbers of soldiers on each side are far from realistic and scenes like this (the allies only starting to take part when the two kings are a stone throw away) is most likely nothing more than dramatisation and heroisation. what is most likely is that Stanley did indeed wait and decided to attack when he saw that a decicive situation was about to form.
The portrayal of Margaret Beaufort by Amanda Hale in "The White Queen" is magnificent- comes across as so authentic and real. She really owns the part.
No that’s completely made up.
This is the very best episode of Timeline I've seen yet. The real history of a formidable woman and of formidable people --women and men.
I found this documentary to be exceptionally done. The narrator was interesting in his telling of this historic tale. I enjoyed the medieval costumes and the actors.
I finally understand the succession of the crown and who killed who.
Truly a superb piece.
Feel like they should have said "was so physically traumatic that she couldn't have any more children."
1:10 "Well, I think his victory is engineered by one person" *name of narrator appears on screen*
Ditto, I was looking for that comment, haha :D
Apparently, The Imbecile Mad king has grown mad future-seeing powers.
It was those very powers that drove him mad 😂
History is written by whoever wins. It was probably a rumour spread to strengthen Henry's claim to the throne.
I really enjoyed watching this documentary alongside Dan Jones' book - it's a shame that they left out the crucial detail from the book that at Bosworth, Stanley couldn't intervene because Richard had taken his son hostage. He was ordered to be executed before the battle but in the surprise of Henry's attack it never happened, and Stanley ended up intervening at the key moment because he mistakenly thought Richard had killed his son.
It’s bad enough living in the medieval time, at 13, lost her husband, gave birth and will never get pregnant again then 2 months after giving birth, was sent away to get married. But her life, even though at first it was a losing battle, she triumphed with her only son being on the throne. 26:39 “astonishing political play” I say “she was a astounding woman.” I love this story...I’ve watch Timeline before, but nothing like this. I love it when Dan Jones, goes to each castles 🏰, every battlefields and everywhere else, it captures the storyline. Rather then listing to a voice that doesn’t give me anywhere. Please keep it up! Love it! ... Oh please keep Dan Jones too..hehehe. 🥰
She is indeed quite one special woman and an amazing, loving mother.
I couldn't help but notice that they left out that Henry's mother, Margaret, was a descendant of John of Gaunt, fourth son and third surviving of Edward III, and his mistress, later wife, Katherine Swynford. The Beauforts were descended from illegitimate children, that Richard II legitimized, as did Henry IV, on the condition that they were not in line to inherit the throne. As such, Henry VII is counted as having claimed the throne by Right of Conquest, and then married Elizabeth of York in order to strengthen his claim. It's also worth mentioning that the Tudors took about every excuse they could find to eliminate other potential Plantagenet claimants, a system that continued through Henry VII, Henry VIII and I think even up through Henry VIIIs children as well. Anything to secure your power base, I guess.
Yes I wondered the same, it discussed Henry VII's lineage through his grandmother Catherine of Valois, the dowager queen of Henry V, but not his 'stronger' claim through Edward III...? Dan Jones' documentaries are usually so thorough, it seems a glaring omission.
Andrea Matheson he does mention that Henry had no claim. Certainly none through the sister of the dead king of France. His "claim" was through his mother....and it was an illegitimate one.
There was an agreement that the Beauforts would be legitimized at the condition that they would be taken out of the line of succession. But it seems the paper was never fully signed, registered and all. After Richard II was dethroned, it became legally sufficient to have royal blood, charisma, friends and a strong army to take advantage of a troubled time and seize the crown. In that regard, I guess Henry VII had as much a claim as any other distant relative of his.
@@andreamatheson5760 Maybe they didn't think it was relevant to this story telling.
@@ameliecarre4783 Yep. That's typically why the dethroning of Richard II is seen as the first act which leads to the War of the Roses. Because it was the first act which destroyed the idea that the King was anointed by God and that the King was just yet another role to play. That's at least how Shakespeare's histories frame it.
it was the "cousins war" untill it got named war of the roses in the 18th century
sorry the real cousins war was WWll
Mamie Monrovia ww1
@@mamiemonrovia1956 Or WWI - have you ever seen Czar Nicholas II and King George V together? Mirror images.
those two terms have the same meaning
@@mamiemonrovia1956 well both involved british royalty. The real pity is that the cousins of WW1 were not fighting each other for a crown. If they all fought on the same side they could have won the war in a matter of weeks. The royal and German navies would choke off any ports while the Germans made short work of France. Then Russia and Germany defeat Austria in another few weeks and they would win.
Mags definitely knew how to play the game.
even at such a very young age.
she’s a extremely fascinating figure in history
Just read a book on the Wars of the Roses. So many Henrys, Edwards and Richards I had trouble keeping them separated. Thank you now it makes more sense.
I must say, after watching all of Dan Jones's other docs on the Plantagenets, I find it refreshing to hear a story about a woman just looking out for her family instead of psychotic power-hungry murderers.
she was a power hunting murderer. I believe she instigated the murder of Edward and Richard in the tower helping pave the way for her son to become king.
@@gillchambers9008 Many people believe she had the boys killed because they were in her way. Richard was only a place holder (regent) for underage princes. They have found the bones of two children on the grounds of the Tower. DNA will probably show they were the murdered York princes.
@@Maya-bu2rf Didn’t they decide not to do DNA tests on those babies they found?
@@roolenoir3183 The Queen said not now, but that could change when she is (God Forbid) not in charge! They used Phillip's DNA to match the Romanov's after all.
@@Maya-bu2rf Well that’s very cool too know . ( I mean about Phillip) I hope she starts feeling better.
I love the face of the actress playing Margaret! So filled with expression and beauty!
A fascinating piece of history. Excellent storytelling. If I maybe so bold, I will admit that I enjoyed all four episodes of this blood soaked story. Kudos, Timeline. This was well put together.
This Dan Jones series is my favorite, he's such a great historian and the actors are excellent
What an absolutely brilliant series! For me, it really did bring that whole period to life, in a way that nothing i've previously watched or read has been able to do so. Thank you so much.
This was a great story! I am an American and only a few of my distant relatives originated in England, but I still find the tales of her history fascinating. I was on the edge of my seat throughout this entire video. Until now I knew Margaret Beaufort only as a name on a genealogy chart. Now that I know more I am suitably impressed. Also, I am glad I didn't live in those times! But, in truth, I suppose it wouldn't have mattered. My ancestors were peasants in every country they lived in. None fought in any battles or were much affected by them. Sometimes all it mattered is that they paid their dues and taxes to someone else.
Just benged all 4 episodes---very well done.
Benged lolol
What a Women and the true meaning of a mother’s love ! Loved it guys and appreciate the upload.
I learned more about the Wars of the Roses with this documentary on Margaret than any other!
Great series! I love how even the narrator gets more excited as the finale takes place.
What a magnificent survival story of a young mother . Brilliant
This channel has the best documentaries
Can we get more of this type of series documentaries in the future? I hope Mr. Jones does more of these.
This was a really good documentary. I felt completely immersed in 14th century England. Great stuff!
WoW. What an amazing series. Just shows that history is infinitely more complicated and compelling than Hollywood could ever possibly imagine. Bravo, well done!
Yesss!! Thank you 😊 I’ve been waiting for part 4
same right. i was searching everyday cos the other 3 were on the trot
I love that this channel posts all these documentaries, but sometimes it's agonizing waiting for the next one in a series to get uploaded
This entire series has been an absolute delight. Thank you.
21:20 This is a DOCUMENTARY don't make me CRY with the dramatic slo-mo and sad music dammit D:
A wonderfully done series. Thank you.
Henry Tudor's Welsh name = Harri Tudur (the family name became Tudor due to Anglicization) I do wish that they talked more about the family instead of just saying they were "nobodies" they had fought about 40 years earlier against the English during the Second war for Welsh Independence and their family goes far back into Native Briton (Welsh) history. Additionally when Henry arrived in Wales he went North to recruit additional troops from where he landed in Dale to Milford Haven, Cardigan, Aberystwyth and later as he turned towards England into Machynlleth + Welshpool he gained support from some of these Welsh noble's one of whom being Rhys Ap Thomas (Rhys son of Thomas) who was a descendant of the ruler of Deheubarth (Carmarthenshire) Rhys Ap Gryffudd (Rhys son of Gryffudd) who himself was related to Rhys Ap Tewdwr from the 11th century who also ruled Deheubarth and was a member of the Dinefwr dynasty and the blood line goes even further back.. Henry was also a self proclaimed Welshman his banner included the green + white and a red dragon although it is unlikely that he spoke Welsh due to his time in France. Furthermore, during the battle Richard ordered his reserves to attack but they refused to move, he then charged himself. The "uncommitted" troops then joined Henry's side Richard was de-horsed but was killed by a spear by what is believed to have been one of Henry's lieutenants many believe it to be Rhys Ap Thomas.
Henry was seen to be a Welsh king by the Welsh which is probably why there were no more Welsh uprisings once he became king. Its important to note that Welsh noble families in this time period had no political power due to the conquest of Wales in the 13th century which is possibly one of the reasons why Henry received support from them. Unfortunately, Henry's son Henry VIII would abolish Welsh law created by Hywel Dda (Hywel The Good) and merge English rule with Welsh rule However, his father wanted to keep Welsh and English rule separate as Henry VIII's Brother was intended to learn how to rule through Wales.
One more thing, why was there no mention of Lord Buckingham betraying Richard and then himself getting betrayed and executed? (Buckingham also tried gaining support from Rhys Ap Thomas who declined)
I am pretty disappointed how this only glorified Margaret and ignored the support given due to the Tudor's family history and connections (i.e Rhys Ap Thomas + Henry Tudor both had a shared connection to Rhys Ap Gruffydd + Hywel Dda.) I should also mention Henry VI himself chose Margaret as a wife for his half brother Edmund. Furthermore, I don't know what this documentary has against Wales but they just don't mention anything about it.. Henry VII stayed with his fathers family (Tudor) in Wales from the age of 2-14 until he was in exile.
Sam Woods even Edward lV himself said Henry Tudor was a “nobody”. So yeah, many people at the time saw him and the Tudors as irrelevant.
Thanks for the contribution, very interesting!
Quite a while back I watched a BBC series called "Hidden Houses of Wales" and one of the episodes featured Plas Penmynydd in Anglesey, a house once owned by Owain Tudur who of course ties in with the Tudors. It was interesting to watch. news.bbc.co.uk/local/northwestwales/hi/tv_and_radio/newsid_8467000/8467947.stm
Also, if you look at another series, Secrets of Great British Castles, the episode about Caernarfon Castle in Wales also features Plas Penmynydd and the Tudur family: th-cam.com/video/2c6SwOYcIA4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for adding that :)
There are so many angles and so much more to the story from so many different sides. This doco is, I'm sure, a few collections of stories and history from the time. I don't see it as a total and complete representation of all events.
@@idontgiveafaboutyou U dont think it might hav been english snobbery?
I’d love them to make ‘Wars of the Roses’ into a 12 ep series
Bbc have made one, 'The white queen', it follows Elizabeth Woodville & Margaret Beaufort 😉
Zac more like 2 or 3 seasons. This war went on for 30 years with a lot of drama.
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Have you seen 'The Hollow Crown'?
I think it incredibly AMAZING how just as a little girl of only THIRTEEN Margaret was so tuned to what she had to do to help her son, survive herself, and get Henry to kingship. Just ASTONISHING lol... I was so immature at 13, I probably would’ve died 😂😂😂
This was definitely the best episode!
The little vocal mourning song that pops up in this is so pretty. So simple but very effective. 💜
I literally couldn't cope in medieval times. If having my head chopped off or a disease didnt kill me, the constant paranoia and anxiety would!!!!
Oh my lord! We need a major motion picture of this lady's life.
Preferably one not inspired by a Phillipa Gregory novel
I don’t think they could better this. 🙌
I want a fantastic film too, but I'm worried it won't be done right.
@@catherineconner7211 Agree. Dan's Timeline is as good as it gets. Let's treasure it. Buying on Dvd as soon as I can.
Super interesting ! Once I stared with the episode 1 I couldn’t stop watching ! And wizzed through all of them in one evening:) thank you.
I love it when history is explained in a memorable way. Thanks!
This Documentary Shows Margaret’s Life Amazingly, It’s One Of My Favourites Alongside Britain’s Bloodiest Dynasty. Kudos To Dan Jones! ✨
Can I Just Say The Actress Not Only Nailed Margaret But She Looks Stunning!! And It’s Not Just Her! All Of The Actors/Actresses Portrayed The Wars Of The Roses Incredibly 👏👏👏
I'm surprised I'd never heard this story before! I'm American, but we've all heard of the Tudors. I never know it was such an incredible woman who navigated the rise of the dynasty.
The best of this 4 part series is save till last! Jones on Margaret Beaufort is simply brilliants! (She was a descendant of John of Gsunt and Katherine Swynford.)
I am a descendant of John of Gaunt via his child Philippa of Lancaster and her husband King John of Portugal - I think I’m 8,000th in line to that now-useless throne..? Ha!
What an amazing woman and mother. Brilliant!
I’m a direct descendent of Catherine de Valois (19th great grandson) through jasper tudor. This was extremely interesting to watch thank you
that was a tremendous documentary. i fell in love with this thanks very much to dan jones and the crew.
Just to add on; Dan Jones, can you please make a documentary about the Tudors family, from Henry VII down to Queen Elizabeth I. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you ☺️
What a story.
Kudos to everyone who worked on this series. Wow.
My god the part about Margaret's husband, Stafford, it's so tense when he is in battle with the music playing, edge of your seat stuff
What an amazing piece of history...
Superb series! Expertly presented in detail by Dan Jones.
Compelling account of the 15th century British Monarchy.
She is the mother of Henry the VII, founder of the Tudor dynasty. She is thus the Granmother of Henry VIII and the Great-Granmother of Mary I Tudor and Elisabeth I Tudor. This means that the rebellion who had put her son in the throne would lead to Henry's obsetion to secure the dynasty with a son.
Understandably, the Plantagenet's dynasty lasted over 300 years. He wanted to prove he was just as good.
It is so funny how one individual can alter the future in such a major way.
@Kay Mitchell yeah who knows maybe you could be the next king or queen of england
Badass mum. Just a badass mum
This documentary has 100% changed my opinion on Margaret Beaufort. I hate how she is depicted in all the historical drama series. What an amazing woman. My god.
What an extremely incredible and wonderful period in history! This is when "what is right" and honorable wins mightily! If it were a fictional story it could never have been invented so we'll! She is a true hero,and her loyalty,love and belief in her son transcends all ! I have the same love for my own son!
What an absolutely remarkable woman. I'm glad it seems she found 2 men that supported if not loved her, considering many marriages weren't so lucky.