The Fate Of The Earl Of Warwick, The Kingmaker | Britain's Bloody Crown | Timeline
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- The continuing story of the Wars of the Roses. Dan Jones reveals how in 1461, six years after the conflict began, Henry VI had his crown snatched away by the young Edward IV - a plot masterminded by the Earl of Warwick, a baron known as the Kingmaker. However, when the monarch and his mentor fell out, Warwick kicked Edward off the throne - and incredibly reinstated Henry VI. The presenter reveals what happened to cause the turbulence between the two men.
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What's the story with all the adds....theres no justification for that many ...it absolutely spoils the documentary and make it impossible to watch...
Ok, I'll try it, it could be worth the money. 😎👍
who's the actress who played Elizabeth Woodville?
@@iansupremo6762 Her name is Adina Galupa.
Elizabeth Widville had influence in the death of the Duke of Clarence. Who was drown in a barrel of wine.
@15:15 “Edward had a well deserved reputation for being led by his loins” What a polite way to phrase it! Love it!
We Memphians say they think with the head in their pants and not the one on their shoulders
I love how delicately the Brits put it "Led by his loins"
@@charlottecates2127 Aussies are decidedly more direct: "He thinks with his c*ck."
Well come on, as a 15th century King we'd probably all do the same 😏
Aren't we all like that?
Every time you think that this story can't get any crazier, it does.
welcome to the entirety of European political history, this is the norm
@@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 If you think this happened in Europe only, then let us laugh.
@@elnationalista of course :)
That's why history is so much more fun and interesting than fiction!
The chinese even have a term for attacking the king/emperor for his own sake by removing evil ministers because it happens so often~ “清君侧” (roughly, to clean the king's sides)
Henry VI has this perpetual look of "wtf is going on?" on his face.
🤭🤭🤭 Indeed
Kinda like Joe Biden. 😂
He knew he should have been in control but he is watching helplessly that other people are. Doesn't know how to fix it
...in that case then, maybe he's the ancestor of Joe Biden.
Can one blame him? Being surrounded by those subhuman Aberrations, the level of trickery and cunning is off the charts, dissociating would come handy to the mind , but the body binds it enough
"Edward IV, King of England, has basically married a chav." That has to be the best line I've ever heard in a documentary.
It made my day
history repeats itself
And not at all true. Elizabeth Woodville (or Wyldeville as it actually seems to have been) was gentry rather than yeomanry or peasant, and had been the wife of a knight (who had fought on the other side and had been killed at Towton). The Grey family which she had been married into were a knightly family with a long history and had a good deal of political savvy, which is how they quickly became so influential. 'Chavs' is a very poor description of them indeed.
Incidentally, Edward's marriage to Elizabeth was almost certainly bigamous as he almost certainly married Eleanor Butler the widowed sister of the Duchess of Norfolk and daughter of the late John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury in 1461 a couple of months after the Battle of Towton. Eleanor was also young and attractive but was also of a strictly moral nature and would certainly have insisted on marriage before getting into bed with the amorous young king. She did not produce a child though and he appears to have tired of her. Having married her secretly allowed him to fail to acknowledge her. When he found Elizabeth she also insisted on being married before sleeping with him so again he married in secret but Elizabeth turned out to be incredibly fertile. Not only did she already have two sons, but she could pop out more children almost at will it seemed - she had seven children with Edward. Eleanor meanwhile acted consistently with how a married woman whose husband was absent would do and was otherwise kept quiet by Edward with regular gifts to both her and her former father in law and the management and dues of several manors, which were all stripped away from the family when she died and no longer needed to be bought off.
Crispvs1 I’m right there with you- Elizabeth was my 18x great grandmother through her first marriage to Sir Grey, and I can tell you, her family (and effectively mine, many many generations ago) were so far above what we are now. I dispute that she was a “chav,” in fact, she was also French noble on her mother’s side, and a descendant of Charlemagne. She was royal, just not the princess of France.
Being American, I thought he said "chaff," which also makes sense.....
Edward wanted to stop the cycle of violence.
So... He wanted to... Break the wheel?
Wow.
He wants to stop violence with more violence. XD
VvBlackThornvV I heard that’s the only way you can fight fire too - with violence
Yes, he had enough of war, peace and prosperity were his goals.
It's peace through violence, don't cha know? 🤣
who needs the history channel when we got Timeline?
JJanse10 Especially when Timeline doesn't show endless episodes of Pawn Stars!
I'll second that Pawn Stars comment and add... Timeline also doesn't waste our time with programs about "ancient aliens" or gator hunting. Not even reality shows about making mostly historically inaccurate weapons.
The History Channel should officially be renamed.
History channel wont stop trying to prove that everyone and every places is an ancient aliens. Lol
To be honest, some of the documentary in History Channel is not historically accurate.
true
The actor for Henry VI is perfect, he looks like such a hapless dope
HebaruSan I actually feel sorry for him sometimes.
Malik Khaleel yeah I mean he was used by everyone
I don't think the real Henry was this dumb as they're portraying, but yes, he had mental instabilities and wasn't the best of monarchs. I feel sorry for him.
He didn't get many lines.
Luis Sierra I wouldn’t say that. His father, Henry V, died when he was a baby, so he wasn’t around to “train” him to be king. He took the throne when he was a baby so he had a regent rule in his stead for years. Add to his mental health issues, it was no wonder he was in over his head.
One has to wonder how much death and suffering through out the centuries has come from someone's hurt pride.
Not as much as from someone's religion.
That's something we can never know, since religion often provides a a pretext for personal ambition.....
@@csmcmillion Yes. That too.
csmcmillion the Wars of the Roses wasn’t fought over religion
All of it
love the Henry VI re-enactor..never gets a line but conveys 'crazy' better than a hundred lines could. That's some fine emoting sir!
Dan Jones: "But I think there's more to it than that..."
You always do, Dan...you always do.
And there usually is. History is many things, but "simple" is definitely not one of them.
This is a pretty good comment 😂
Wouldn’t be much of a show otherwise
Dan Jones is a GREAT documentary. I really like his books and he is a great narrator because he puts a passion to them and really knows how to speak. He should narrate his own novels because he's got the interesting, engaging voice to make them come alive.
I'll have to look up some of his novels.
I’m pretty sure he does do narrate at least some of this audiobooks.
25:29 "That's medieval English for hello." This guy cracks me up!
Warwick, while playing chess with Eddie, refers to him as “your grace” - this title for the monarch was first adopted by Henry VII. All the Plantagenets were “liege”.
I know, I know, I’m the biggest anorak in here, I’ll get me coat.
Don't go, you're contributing valuable historic detail.
Well said squire
That was actually very informative. Thanks
Also aren't they meant to be speaking some older form of English than we do. I get how its easier in modern english for us to follow whats being said but it would have been cool if they did it in the original 15th century english of the time
Lol 😂😂😂
Choosing a wife that had been married before wasn’t totally unheard of...after all, Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine was married to the King of France before being married to King Henry II. And like Elizabeth Woodville, she had two children already. The big difference between the two being that Eleanor had been born into the nobility, was Duchess of Aquitaine in her own right, and brought with her huge sums of land and money. Elizabeth Woodville didn’t exactly measure up.
And Elizabeth had two SONS. She also survived giving birth to them, which must have been a positive thing for Edvard. She was also young enough to still be fertile.
Angel Singer plus Eleanor was a former French queen, and Elizabeth was just a Lancastrian war widow.
While status certainly was against Elizabeth, thinking about it, the Union between Henry II and Eleanor could easily be considered more scandalous... - Eleonor's marriage to Louis VII was, after all, annulled, not terminated by his death.
Nicky R. D I think people in their time would’ve consider both marriages scandalous regardless
@Gabriella: Yes, I agree. Utterly and completely.
However, seeing how much of a hubbub it still causes when a royal marries someone who's divorced or how much trouble the Catholic church poses if a marriage is dissolved... - Thinking how it must have been back then, had me wonder why Eleanor's marriage to Henry didn't seem all that shocking at the time.
But anyhow, that's why I put it so vaguely instead of making it a fact that it WAS perceived as being more scandalous. But as said, it technically COULD have.
When you play the game of thrones you win or you die, there is no middle ground.
With the way this narrator talks about Henry VI, you'd think he has personal beef with the guy.
knightshousegames maybe in his past life lol
knightshousegames 🤣🤣🤣
He just called him useless as i was reading this 😂😂
True.
ahhh the finesse and subtlety of English history
''Edward IV had basically married a chav"
@Marcus b it stands for council house and violent. basically its a class-based insult in the uk
The acting in this is hilarious I have to say.
WARWICK: "Long live the king!"
KING HENRY VI: "One second, I'm almost done with this chapter...."
This is so good. I live in Warwick and we're all about the Kingmaker and we also have Stratford up the road where some obscure playwright wrote a few minor but critically acclaimed works about this period. I love all this stuff - thanks for bringing it so vividly to life.
Dan Jones is the best history teacher ever. Everything comes to life through his descriptions and story telling. Be great if he would do the tudors too.
He's reading a script, dear.
He has done the Tudors. I’ve bought the documentary on Amazon. 😊
@@Research0digo lol
Yeah, and he's not exactly rough on the eyes either! 😝
@@Research0digo OK - but his presentation style is very unique . He goes to great length explaining the motives of why the Kings , Queens and nobility made the decisions they did . So he almost certainly wrote the script . Unfortunately , I can't find his episode on Longshanks .
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Medieval English:
“Right Trusty and Well Beloved, we greet you well.”
Modern English:
“Hello”.
🤣
Cracks me up every time!
Second one is more honest.
Closer to our modern Aussie greeting; "G'day, how ya going mate?"
All the fault of Alexander Graham Bell. Till he invented the telephone there is no reported use of the word "Hello". Bell invented the term as what to say when you pick up a phone. Prior to the phone, greetings included body language showing your intentions. You could not do that when answering the phone, this the term "Hello" was invented. I read it is from Bell's work with the deaf but it is unclear how the word cane about (and some people give the credit for the term to Thomas Edison who also had problems with hearing AND improved the phone to make it more usable).
@Graeme Macmillan Also in the past people ate with their right hand & wiped their backside with their left hand! Sometimes even at the same time!
He gave Warwick the castle of Cockinmouth?! 😂😂 I love English place names so much!!!
The placename is Cockermouth, a town in Cumbria.
@@mrsmarauder Just as bad.
@@mrsmarauder cockinmouth in cumbrella?
I laughed at that as well
@@carlholland3819 I AM WEAK!!!!!
“Basically married a chav”...
God I love this guy!
Was about to comment on that, and this is the first comment I see xD.. maybe this was the origin of the "chav"
I had to LOL at that.
what even is a chav? is it some thing you brits say to confuse eveyone else?
th-cam.com/video/ugNeWkeGYm8/w-d-xo.html
chav is a person who does not have money but desperately wants the thing
I can relate to dealing with an incompetent King who has chosen against his allies.
Tywin Lannister : your grandson was the king!!! Kneel before him.
@@kensebego199 you are fool if you believe he was King. bow before Lord Paramount Tywin Lannuster, the Crownless King!
Lock the door when you go to the lavatory, My Lord
@@piermariobarozzi Well done that got a chuckle out of me
@Muffy Crosswire very loosely based
I must say Warwick has really impressed me. He's really intelligent. He moves his chess pieces really really well.
Until the king married a woman he wasn't supposed to marry. For Warwick, things went downhill from there.
''Edward...basically married a chav''' Hahahaha
That part made me laugh too. I can't believe they said that
Yeah...You're off to The Tower. 😁
I did not see that coming.
Lol, a chav, not what you expect an historian to say. Woodville may well have been a chav but she was a witch also. Same as her daughter and many before them (like Eleanor of Aquatain , my spelling may be wrong here) and many after, inc Anne Boleyn.
I've never heard that term before and had to look it up. 😂
Dan Jones could narrate eating his lunch seem epic.
The moral of the story, don’t be led by your loins.
That's when everything started going down the tubes. Humiliating a powerful and dangerous man like Warwick (twice) was a really bad move even if he was trying to unite the nobles in order to bring stability. That was stupid.
This has Robb Stark written all over it. Avenging his wronged father, held to the highest position, only to lose it all over a woman and a disadvantageous marriage.
@@AllTheArtsy The Earl of Warwick sends his regards...
That is so true
@@AllTheArtsy Yup! that’s because the war of the roses was a very big influence on GRRM, he has said so himself. There are A LOT more similarities than just this one instance, there is a whole website dedicated to it and plenty of TH-cam videos!
"I don't think he's really thought this through..." - we've all had those moments
Shows how human these people are they just born in a position of power or better path to uncommon power.
Im learning only God could reign a Kingdom tho men and women youths throughout time plotted though his given maze of twists turns
I love how much effort was put into just the background feature film, it looks like they filmed and acted an attempt at a high budget picture then smartly reused the scenes over and over to save money filming new ones, but edited well with flipped screens and cropped out people for continuity. Well done folks.
It was well done. I didn't notice.
Perhaps if Edward had followed Warrick's advise to marry the French princess, the reign of his son would have been more secured. There may not have been the mystery of the missing princes in the Tower of London.
It's shocking how few blame Edward for his "peccadilloes". Powerful lords have powerful egos. You humiliate them at your own cost. Doesn't matter if you succeed in killing them. You've destabilised a country just because you're too embarrassed to admit you made a mistake and double down on the insanity.
I died at 25:30 - 25:36
"that's medieval for 'Hello '
That when u sent them to Coventry. Its an old cockney saying. Which means shut your mouth u no longer exist. 23 mins in is the origins of that saying. Now thats history worth knowing. Its all so repetitive. We need a new educational system and inspiration that drives our young you tubers to learn something worth knowing. #discuss
I love the symbolism of the chess game between Edward and Warwick, it just emphasises Warwicks fall from grace perfectly 🤌🤌✨️✨️
The re-enactment casting is FLAWLESS. =D It's as if we're travelling back in time and seeing them all alive again.
They r all too young
Edward IV had ten children by Elizabeth Woodville, seven of whom survived him. They were declared illegitimate by Parliament in 1484 in an act known as Titulus Regius (King's Title), clearing the way for Richard III to become King] This act was later repealed by Henry VII, thus (re-)legitimising Edward and Elizabeth's children.
Another shocking wrong against Richard !
Didn’t Richard also marry one of Warwick’s daughters? I know her name was Anne but I don’t know if she was related to Warwick or not.
King Edward reminds me of game of thrones Character Robb Stark who married for lust instead of the agreed upon Frey girl.
robert doran because that’s who inspired Robb’s character, the “War of the Five Kings” in Game of Thrones is based off this period in English history
robert doran I don’t think that was lust he probably actually liked her and knew nothing about the Frey girl
@@masechill3630 In the books it kind of was lust that turned to youthful love.
GRRM has confirmed that Game of Thrones has been inspired by the War of the Roses...
Another similarity is that they never lost on the battle field.
Earl of Warwick was right he needed a political wife in those times
With all those Woodville connections, and his queen's mother being the former duchess of Bedford, Edward IV had plenty of family to forge new connections. And this family would be loyal to him alone!
Francis Hodges either way, he still had to pay a price for marrying a commoner
Gabrielia 69 ...he should have exercised his authority by telling Warwick that he wanted to marry as he pleased. Humiliating his greatest ally was a stupid move.
A Woodville cannot compare to a French princess. Aileen Macmillan has a point honesty not duplicity could have saved many lives.
@@TheKeithvidz Or I think the whole point WAS that Elizabeth wasn't a princess. She wouldn't have armies of her own and wouldn't ally herself with Warwick when the time came.
I like Edward. I like Kings who are their own thinkers and aren't puppets.
I like him too. So did my 15-greats-grandfather, who was knighted by him in 1470. Good guy. Liked the ladies.
His grandson Henry VIII did the same, married a subject.
Eh. I don't like leaders who think with their loins instead of their brains. Sorry, I tend to have sapiophilic tendencies.
Ok we all know this was directed at Henry. Poor guy never had a chance..😌
No surprise that so many people were inspired by this conflicts in order to write fiction histories.. Is such an amazing and crazy history, it's a perfect plot for movies and TV series! British history is for sure one of the most interesting ones! 💙🇬🇧 I love this! 🇬🇧💙
Another good historical yarn, with similarly wild tales of ruthless power grabs and scheming for power, is Alexander's Successors. AKA the "Diadochi" wars. I recommend checking out some of the docs on those too if you find these things fascinating. Although many docs don't quite include all the crazy details as some books on the subject do.
If you really want plot twists, betrayals and massacres you just need to read that of the Italian states in the same period and in the following century.
I'll give you a small example, Ludovico "Il moro" in the same period managed to rise to power in the Duchy of Milan by locking up his nephew Gian Galeazzo Maria Sforza within the hunting reserve of the Pavia estate through the pleasures of life, which at the time was the largest reserve in all of Europe, so large that within its walls there was 3 functioning villages and many plants and animals from all over the world, taking the name of the Golden Cage, direct heir of the previous Duke of Milan, Galeazzo Maria Sforza who was assassinated by a conspiracy caused by his tyrannical and sadistic style of government. Ludovico having come to power began to have conflicts with the other Italian states, deciding to ask the king of France for help, causing the first Italian war against the Holy Roman Empire for supremacy over northern Italy, an event which once ended would lead to the king of France himself to betray and lock up Ludovico himself so as to be able to take possession of the rich duchy of Milan.
Can you imagine if Dan Jones directed/produced Game of Thrones what a sight that would be lol
Haha...Dan is an educated softie.. GofT needs a wildman at the helm. Under Dan it might have ended up very circumspect.
@@leanie9660 Given how things have turned out .. Well, I'd rather have had more circumspection to be honest.
@@leavesinautumn5959 true . lol .
He likes facts not fiction
They wouldn't have had Norman helmets and full chainmail in the 15th century, they had full plate armor
I just finished watching all 4 episodes. Just excellent. And I was so unprepared for the surprises of the 4th episode. THANK YOU. Lady Margaret Beaufort was inspiring, to say the least.
I absolutely adore learning exactly what and who inspired various plot points and characterizations of Game of Thrones. I got an Audio Book on the War of the Roses but IMO this is definitely better.
"led by his loins" BAHAHAHA!
Isn't every man?
His head below overpowered his head above
Jennifer Clark every man under 25 is
Gabriella And even some over 🙄
I can relate!
Henry VI cannot be considered simply as ‘useless’. He had little or no enthusiasm or ambition as a king, and, being very pious, would have preferred life as a monk. He also suffered from severe depression and mental instability, which in the fifteenth century would have been considered as incurable madness. The horrors of war must also be balanced against philanthropic endeavours, and perhaps Henry’s greatest achievements were the founding of Eton College (a charity school providing free education to seventy pauper boys), King’s College, Cambridge (for furtherance of the education of boys from Eton College), and All Souls College, Oxford (to commemorate the victims of what was later called the Hundred Years' War), while the tenacious Margaret of Anjou founded Queens’ College Cambridge, which was later refounded by her rival Elizabeth Woodville.
Marriott
Thank you for sharing such wonderful information. I had no idea about the colleges. I agree with your assessment of Henry VI.
I'm sure everyone just sees him as a weak and useless King but the amazing schools that he formed are still around today.
You say Warrick doesn't understand politics much.
but he tried to settle a very royal marriage while so-called king married a lowborn.
Yeah i mean he did kill off that entire family so he kinda made a point
Marrying a foreign princess to cement an alliance was the oldest royal diplomacy trick in the book; at that time, even someone whose knowledge of politics was limited would've known about it. It's not particularly new or innovative.
Marrying the daughter of an enemy in order to make them your friend was less common.
@@Stardweller1 form an alliance with France vs form an alliance with a house?
Yes. That house was initially a domestic enemy, which can sometimes be at least as deadly as a foreign enemy. He may have seen turning an in-country rival into an ally as more important than forging a foreign alliance because then he might not have to worry as much about enemies at home (plus it would be a step towards unifying the country).
Plus, France and England had such a long, complicated, intertwined and violent history that it’s possible even a royal marriage wouldn’t be enough to cement a real, lasting alliance.
The production and moderation is amazing quality and easy to follow
Well and he’s kinda cute too
Yes, edward is kinda cute.
"Confused by the fog, his army accidentally attacks itself."
Oops...
Why does Dan leave out that Richard, Duke of Gloucester was loyal to Edward IV and that he accompanied him in exile and the battle of Tewkesbury etc? Dan mentions George but not Richard.
Stephanie O'Neill
Very weird considering Richard becomes one of the most famous kings in history
Can't have one of history's supposed bad guys having redeeming qualities, can we?
@Kota Possible, but Richard is a pretty important character to leave out. (They left out the second son, Edmund, who was executed after the battle their father died in, but that is understandable for the reason you suggest).
Because Dan Jones is a Student of David Starkey, who believes Richard lll to be as evil as Shakespeare portrayed him.. Dan Jones seems to believe this also...and I find it devalues him as a credible historian..led by nothing more than a playwright that was in the pay of Royalty. “ Unfortunately The victors live to change the truth.
lol this man was dead
The king just wanted some friends and a hot wife lol
The Irish empire JP He should have been careful what he wished for.
Poor dude right
Yes. Ha ha. Exactly. (But only to end up with bloodshed. It is actually quite sad.)
The Irish empire JP well in those days, you had to pay the price for such desires
What every man wants, no?
Failed to mention that Warwick married his other daughter to Margaret's son, who would be made the next king (and hence his daughter would be queen) had the plan succeeded
Anne Neville actually did become queen when after the death of the Prince of Wales, her husband, she married Richard Duke of Gloucester who in turn would become King Richard III...
pretty much completely cut Edward of Westminster out of the story. Especially notable since it's only after he is killed at the battle of Tewksbury and there are no more potential rallying points for Lancastrian opposition to Edward that killing Henry VI is even an option.
Sadly there is not much about Edward of Westminster not on this and not on its own which is sad he died young and was left out of history for the most part
Thank you to everyone that wrote a reply. I gained so much valuable information out of every comment that was written. It added a great deal more to the documentary. I enjoy people that add to a narrative and increase the value of the documentary.
@@nickyr.2944 THIS. All this time I was thinking, well why keep putting the senile guy on the throne instead of just proclaiming his son by Margaret? Turns out that prince died at some point.
I feel pity for King Henry VI. He wasn't a tyrant, he never tried to cling to power. He was just a hapless pawn in the political games of the cunning. He didn't ask for any of the power nor did he want it.
I think he probably would have been happier if he had just Ben stripped of the crown and made into a commoner.
Well even if he was stripped of the crown he would still be a threat to Edward's reign cause some people could rally under his name and claim to be fighting for his right to obtaining the crown
He might have been a better king had Henry V (his father) lived longer, tutoring him in how to be a great king. Henry VI was just a toddler when his father died.
He had several nervous breakdowns, and went into a stupor to protect his damaged psyche for 2 years. .
@@F40PH-2CAT Henry V was arguably one the greatest generals who ever lived. He was a military genius. But a king and mentor to his son? Idk. Henry VI was also legitimately mentally ill.
Naw he just wasn't King Material, he had Mentors and Tudors, he's a good example of why no one should have a blood right to rule.
Richard Neville is one of my ancestors. Seeing his final days acted out has been absolutely fascinating.
Same! If only Richard & Edmund Beaufort my other ancestor didn’t dispute land! C’est la vie
How lucky for him to married Alice Beauchamp, Heiress of Henry Beauchamp Earl and Duke of Warwick.. After 8 generations of Earls of Warwick, each of them loyal to the throne, the opportunist Neville destroy the title and been declared traitor, He lost everything that his wife brought with her in that union...after her brother died she was the richest woman in all England... the Neuville family used to marry every women with Estate or Titles... Warwick Castle ii still to these days name Beauchamp Castle....
.... They we're My Ancestors.....
@@stephanbeauchamp5812 Hey I just did my genealogy I’m adopted & just found out my biological fathers fam line. How are you related Beauchamp or Neville line?? If your related to either line (I’m related to both on both maternal & paternal) we’re cousins, so many x removed but super cool!
The current earl of Derby has married an ancestor of Richard neville,his own great great great great great great great great great great sister😝
@@deturvilleashley3330 Join the Queue. there’s plenty of Brits who are descendants in front of you… 🤣🤣🇬🇧
Henry just chilled and did what he was told to do, I feel sorry for him
OMG-- Henry IV HAD. ME. CRYINNNNNNNN.😂😂😂😂😂 When Warwick declared Long live the King and Henry didnt even FLINCH 😂, just licked his finger and turned the page & the look on Warwick's face??!!-- Mannnnn I ALMOST DIED LAUGHING!! 😂😂😂😂 Like this story cant get ANY worse!! Its like WHAT in the ENTIRE F is going on HERE???!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's like, "Yeah, I heard that already. Nothing new. Let me finish my book."
🤣🤣🤣
'What the entire f is going on here'. Yeah could ask that about your comment.
I love how all the actors are reused from other episodes and the Plantagenet series like Henry the 2nd being a woodvile
And Elizabeth Woodville previously having been Isabella of France lol
What’s the link for the episode?
This is the inspiration for Game of Thrones.
Yep.
Edward IV=Jon Snow
Elizabeth Woodville=Danaerys Targaryen
Earl of Warwick=Ramsay Bolton
It is funny how Jon Snow mentions the pincer movement in Game of Thrones and how Edward IV suffers the same thing from the Earl of Warwick. I guess Edward IV is like Robb Stark and like Jon Snow.
@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 Warwick=littlefinger
Yeah my thoughts exactly since the prev ep.
@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 no lol
Yeah, Lancaster = Targaryens, York = Baratheons..well thats how I see..some say it Lancaster = Lannister and York = Stark...but the Starks never wanted the throne and Jon kinda is Henry VII
As soon as Edward announced that he’s married the Lady Elizabeth Woodville, Warwick’s face fully goes “the what?”
The actor casted for Edward is really well perfect 👌❤
Pretty damn tall as the real man was.
I wish he had long hair as the real Edward had
But Edward was blond...
@soul sessions tv Bdhrh I found Max Irons hammy I'm sorry to say. He didn't have any of the gravitas as Edward and was always upstaged by Rebecca Ferguson.
Tom Mole look up his portraits
The actor that plays the role of Edward is sooo handsome... 😁😁😁
Marina Sljivic He’s handsome by British/European standards, but he’s very basic otherwise.
@ Appreciate the opinion. Tastes are different. Greetings from Serbia.
Europeans are not the most beautiful people. No race/ethnicity is more beautiful than another. There is beauty and ugly in every race.
He looks like Marshal from how I met your mother
BingoBangoBongo well, we may all be from different places and cultures, etc, but at the end of the day, we still breathe the same air and we are all human. If that’s laughable to you, then I feel bad for you. Also everyone regardless of where they come from deserves the same respect. Just because they’re not the “same” as you doesn’t mean they aren’t worthy of the same equal treatment. Deal with that.
Let’s not forget the fact that the actors in these documentaries are way better than any Hollywood “star” with very few honorable exceptions.
"Sir Ralph Percy, lead troublemaker" Great title.
Edward IV was probably inspiration for Rob Stark as well as Edward II for Ranly Baratheon
Sanja Bogdanovic Definitely Robb
With Gaveston as inspiration for Loras Tyrell.
Has been stated Robb = Young Edward IV, Robert Baratheon = Older Edward IV
Edward I is Tywin Lannister through and through.
@@patsfreakBut Tywin actually wasn't a good military commander.
If you think about it, Edward's choice to not marry a French Princess or to choose the French for trade is kind of understandable. Every time England made any deal with the French it turned out badly. Margaret of Anjou was supposed to bring peace but the problem is it didn't happen. The French went back on the treaty and Margaret could be seen as a danger to the English due to the Wars of the Roses.
I LOVE this channel, a reenactment with this kind of production quality was EXACTLY what I was looking for, I would be lost without you thank you!!
The actor playing Warwick is super hot!
oh you clearly must mean Edward
@@seby826 Edward is boring lol
Warwick looks greasy
soul sessions tv Bdhrh Max irons sure is hot.
L Catterall 😂😂😂 Most of them look greasy.
Poor Henry. I don't think he even knew what was happening.
And all of this could have been prevented if Henri Vi and his wife did choose the Duke of York instead of Somerset
York was too influential and inflexible for the purposes the queen desired for a stooge. The queen wanted to rule, just as York desired to be Protector. There can only be one king.
Powerstruggle
@@schong163 Hm. Recently been reading Alison Weir’s primer on this.
York’s aims only appear to have escalated as the situation developed, and as a direct consequence of the actions taken by Somerset and the Queen.
He had been commander in France, held off King Charles’ forces effectively and competently before being replaced by Somerset who totally effed it up and lost everything. He was owed over 30,000 marks because he had been obliged to pay for the army’s keep over that time, and the court, while spending immense money feathering their own nests and driving the crown into debt, had not given him the money he needed.
Then, when he returned home, he was excluded from council despite being the heir presumptive and being one of the greatest land-owning magnates in the land, and sent away to be Lieutenant of Ireland.
He was entirely justified in seeing the Court faction, ie Somerset, as being incompetent and corrupt, and for wanting grievances redressed. The Queen and the court faction kept thwarting every effort he made to put things right. He didn’t start fighting until he’d been pushed into that last resort, had legitimately tried parliament, the council, and the king himself to get things righted. He didn’t even press his dynastic claim until he’d finally had enough.
All of it could have been avoided.
@@mikereger1186 York may have been justified in considering Summerset as being corrupt, cowardly, and incompetent. But Summerset's elevation to Protector was because of his corruption, cowardice, and incompetence. King Henry was a weak king, and because he was weak, too competent and influential minister, such as York, was a threat to the monarchy.
Much of the damage could also been prevented if Edward IV had married a foreign princess, as Warwick advised. Personally, I do not think Edward intended to reveal his secret marriage. He probably presumed he could treat Elizabeth Woodville the same way he treated other "secret" wives. To have allowed Warwick to proceed so far with the French marriage plans when he was planning to announce he was already married was foolhardy. I think on the brink of announcing his plans to marry a French princess, Elizabeth Woodville said or did something to force his hand. It is possible he really loved Elizabeth Woodville but he would have been completely happy to have kept her as his mistress. With her constant attempts to aggrandize her family, Elizabeth Woodville caused an incredible amount of trouble. She was a real threat to the Earl of Warwick.
When it's comes to narrating historical documentaries no one does it better than Dan Jones.
30:40 wrong. If Edward had married into the French royal family then Warricks political ties would have strengthened and allowed England and France to enjoy "friendly" relations at least for a few decades, Warricks ability to strike up deals with the French nobles are also proof of his skill in diplomacy, had he been kept as the Kings right hand man I believe King Edwards reign would have been well remembered for centuries.
he was lustful and he just didn't like it when the French kept saying that Warwick is the real king. But if i were him I would've just made up with the Woodvilles and continue to be the right hand man unfortunately his pride got the better of him.
Having a French queen stop the king of France in Edward the 2nds reign it wouldn't have stopped them at this time either. Having a french queen stops them for all of a decade no more then that.
Maybe but I think Edwards main concern was to unite England. A United England was much better Than an alince with France
No one else sees Edward was his own, Warwick would of controlled every part of him
The previous 4 times English kings married French princesses (Edward II, Richard II, Henry V, Henry VI) led to trouble for England from France one way or another.
Edward III claimed the French throne by right of his mother, Isabella of France.
Richard II was deposed, and Isabella of Valois vehemently refused to marry Henry V.
Henry V married Catherine of Valois to bolster his claim to the French throne, only for everything to fall apart when he died.
Henry VI married Margaret of Anjou (who was technically not a princess, but still Charles VII's niece) for peace with France, only to be double-crossed and lose 99% of English landholdings in France.
Besides, xenophobia towards the French was rife. Edward made the right call. Uniting England was the bigger priority. The only reason it went south is because Warwick felt snubbed.
I can not thank *Timeline* enough for offering such detailed documentaries and dramatized descriptions. I'm a student of English literature from India. These golden treasuries are of great help for especially the NET aspirants like me - the would-be professors of the nation, as these add an extreme bulk to our knowledge about the British history, in a very comprehensive form.
Timeline drinking game:
Take a sip every time "banged up" is said
Take a sip every time "England descends into anarchy" is said
Take a sip every time the narrator says that a pile of rubble behind him used to be a great castle
Take a sip every time an actor shows up in an obvious wig
Take a sip every time the narrator uses British slang you don't understand
Take a sip every time the narrator says, "basically"
Finish your drink every time a king is captured
Finish your drink every time a king's best friend/top adviser dies
Death Wish addition:
Scroll through the comments and take a sip every time someone mentions Game of Thrones.
JR Gracie Alcohol poisoning here I come.
Bahahaha... i'm playing this tonight. I know I'll be sloshed by the end of this series. 🤷🏽♀️😂😭
Don't forget every time he says "It was a massive miscalculation"
Just drink the whole bottle up 😅
The actress of Elizabeth really is extraordinarily beautiful
I'm cancelling Netflix, this is it for me!
Edward looks like a cross between Henry Cavill and Dexter.
Funny how loyalty gets twisted and selfserving for Warwick...and it seems to be the greedy way of humans throughout history.How extremely well done and excellent this series is!
This is an excellent companion to Dan's book on the Wars of the Roses. Such good acting and a sense of "you are there".
Please do (or upload if it's already done) a series on the Crusades. The production quality of these documentaries is fantastic!
I know all of this. You can just google it. I also know the basic timeline of the War of the Roses and the major events in it, but a multi-part documentary series like this one just adds so much depth to the story, both visually and in terms of the intricacies and contexts of the major events. And I just don't have time to read books about the crusades to understand the intricacies and contexts that multi-part documentary series likes these provide, hence my request. All the documentaries I have found on the crusades seem to be either incredibly biased (one way or the other) or just flat-out bad.
I highly recommend Real Crusades History's Channel, J Stephen Roberts is excellent
Cheers, Skypig. I'll check it out :)
Roy Earle That's your twisted history .
Omar ibn al khittab was one of the most just ruler who ever walked on this earth.
Hadeel Bashir Yep. The West, and Europe as a whole have trouble admitting to their bloody and shameful past. So they blame everyone but themselves. The fact is the Christian states declared a holy war on the Middle East specifically Palestine in a era of peace and prosperity for the Middle East. All because they didn't like the idea that the Muslims were the keepers for the holy sites.
Or, also known as, "Game of Thrones, the true story".
big ups elizabeth for making it off the housing estate
The Duke of Clarence was so great he needed two actors to play him.
Think of it this way
Warwick is ruling through Edward, he’s getting whatever he wants but then Edward marries Elizabeth and starts thinking for himself and Warwick hold over the king is breaking. Warwick can’t rule through Edward anymore so he thinks if he put Edwards brother George on the throne, he then again can rule England in the kings name.
Warwick rebels cos he didn’t get his way. That what it can down to.
You can't be called the kingmaker without wanting the crown for yourself
Dan Jones should have been my history teacher
So nice to see bunch of Romanian actors playing in all the episodes❤️
Henry VI = Robert Baratheon
Queen Margaret = Cersei
Richard Duke of York = Ned Stark
Edward of York = Rob Stark
Woodvilles = Tyrells
Elizabeth Woodville = Margery Tyrell/Talisa
I dont know if I agree with all your classifications but one that you missed that I will add is shown below bc I definitely think this character was based off this person from History.
Edward Longshanks/Edward I = Tywin Lannister
Common Sense Henry VI is more of the mad king than Robert ?! And Denaerys is definitely Henry VII.
Warwick is Tywin because of his power to make kings. Littlefinger was scheming but he didn’t have such power and authority as Warwick
+ Cersei= Margaret of Anjou
The king maker is little finger
So many Henrys, Edwards and Richards. How can you English keep track of your history? :D
Isn't that the same for most countries? In Germany - well, at least former Prussia - they were all named Friedrich or Wilhelm or both. I think it went like this:
Friedrich Wilhelm I.
Friedrich II.
Friedrich Wilhelm II.
Friedrich Wilhelm III.
Wilhelm I.
Friedrich III.
Wilhelm II.
Then World War II happened.
To make things worse a lot of their wives/sisters/daughters were named Wilhelmine xD
Plus there were multiple Wilhelms and Friedrichs in other parts of "Germany" too (Bavaria, Saxony etc)
@@Nico6th Well, you are kind of right, yes. Prussia (at least from the time of the Great Elector prince) was ruled solely by Friedrichs, Wilhelms and Friedrich-Wilhelms. And the former Kingdom where I come from has Friedrichs and Wilhelms, too. It's just when you are not familiar that much with other countries histories that it confuses you more.
Louis XVI. 'Nuff said!
Charles had a good run in spain
Nicosixth Robin in Bavaria there are a lot of Ludwigs and Maximilians
Edward I’m sure had no problem getting the ladies. He was “trapped” because he wanted to be. Seems smart enough to know Warrick would have him in the tower like Henry if he didn’t have back up
Love these Documentaries! Such high quality. It's almost like watching a movie! (a good one too)
This is a bazillion times better than "The White Queen", because she's wearing reasonably period accurate clothes and hairstyles (you would never in a million years see a 15th century Queen wearing her hair loose, among other things), and she actually looks somewhat like the real Elizabeth Woodville (who was most definitely not a blue eyed blonde; in her contemporary portrait you can clearly see that she had brown eyes and reddish brown hair).
Plus the costumes in The White Queen were dreadful and not even close to accurate
+Wendy Hull Agreed. Medieval zippers anyone?? ugh. terrible.
Agree!
Rebecca Ferguson. The hott actress Rebecca Ferguson.
king aqib I thought her eyes were blue
What happened to the battle of Tewkesbury and the death of king Henry's son Prince Edward? That was soon after Barnet. It was only b/c of Prince Edward's death in the battle that Henry VI was put to death; totally wiping out the direct Lancasterian line.
Deb Jesser I agree. The death of Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales, and the only heir apparent to die in battle, should have been an event worth mentioning.
Battle of Barnet was 14 April 1471. Battle of Tewkesbury was 4 May 1471.
About 3 weeks apart and saw the deaths of Earl of Warwick and then Edward of Westminster. With their deaths, it was all over. I'm stunned that the Prince's death doesn't even get a mention. But then again, they also didn't mention what Warwick and George, Duke of Clarence made George's wife (and Warwick's daughter), Isobel, go through. Poor woman was heavily pregnant when they fled to France and they dragged her along with them. A storm kept them from making the safety of harbour in France and she gave birth at sea, during the storm. Baby died. It's a miracle she didn't die herself.
@@Luubelaar Yeah Dan, tell us the whole story if you're doing a series! The BBC has money, they did the Plantagenets and that wasn't cheap.
Yeah. Even with the focus of this episode being Edward and Warwick, it's kind of important that Edward eliminated the direct male line and that Neville's daughter was married into it.
@@foxycinnamon7307The Plantagenets series was great and despite skipping over a whole bunch of things, it didn't seem as if they had. Here, it's so obvious.
I always feel bad when they show Henry because he just looks so scared.
Poor Henry VI. A harmless well meaning simpleton who got used by others his whole life.
"Well meaning"? Not many think that.....a simpleton certainly.
Really? His biggest failings where his trusting nature, belief in Love conquering all and his abhorrence of violence. All well meaning traits and entirely inappropriate for Kingship.
Thé man just never had a chance 🥲
I love how Anthony Woodville is played by Henry II of the series about the Plantagenets.
“Being led by his loins”. I’m Dead. 😂🤣
Anthony Woodville, formerly Henry II. (if you watched both series)
And the Archbishop in Richard II (The tyrant) video
Warrick reminds me of littlefinger
he acts like little finger but he looks like that fire priest who can revive people
Matthew Griffiths, Maybe a little but remember Warwick was also a fighter and not scared to go straight in unlike Littlefinger who's only contribution on that level was sending in the Knights of the Vale AFTER the Boltons were in deep Battle with Jon and the Wildlings.
Margaret Beaufort is bran stark.
He's more like Tywin Lannister
@@ASillyHistoryBuff yess
Man these are GREAT! I have enjoyed watching these thoroughly! They really help me to understand how everything was done.. I can't praise it enough!
i honestly feel really bad for henry vi. the guy blatantly has no interest in the crown and spent his whole life being used and manipulated by all these other power-hungry nobles. they shouldve just let the guy live in peace, dear lord
The problem was Henry vi was born with two crowns..that of Englandand France.
What a lot of retellings leave out though is that Henry VI believed in his right to rule. That was a problem in the beginning of this mess. He wouldn't give it up even when he was proved to be a bad ruler. Though by the time he was "Reinstated" he was probably not all there.
Wouldn't you love to see real pictures of these people? Thank you for posting this, love it!