jesus rivera ehh not really. Jessica was trained for main vocal & the longest trainee too among SNSD & yet her gap is far away from Taeyeon. Changmin is also one of the main vocal & yet he's a really weak vocalist than what people would think of about him. Yesung too. Besides being trained for main vocal, Kyuhyun & Ryeowook deadass leaving him so far away. Kyuhyun even spend shorter time of being a trainee than those two. Junsu is only average when he's still in TVXQ & still is even after leaving the group for a long time until he developed his technique himself. Jaejoong is average too & still is even to this point. For the lead vocals? Donghae, Sungmin, Tiffany, Sunny, Seohyun, Suho, Xiumin, Lay, Luhan, Joy, Seulgi & Krystal are pretty much ranging from average to weak vocalists. & Luna is the most obvious. She started as the main dancer until she worked hard on her voice & SM started to train her & definitely become main vocal. Literally the same case as Taemin. So not everything is about the training. It also depends on the idol itself, whether if they're really talented or willing to work hard.
Czarina Lagrimas exactly! I can sense that sm doesn't joke around when it comes to vocal training all the singers have great support in their singing and the sound is always resonant and clear compared to some that sound to strained or forced
+Lee Park Disagree!!! HAVE YOU SEEN TAEMIN I AM SO PROUD OF THAT BOY I AM IN TEARS. Even Jongin, although you can't say he has that good technique, he does do more singing than rapping which was his original position in the group.
Taemin is one big exeption, true, but that is because he wanted to improve himself sooo bad, and jonghyun helped him a lot, he did it for himself, that wasn't sm .... and he had natural talent ....., jongin now does sing more than during his debut days, but that hasn't make a difference in his technique so far, he has learned how to sound a bit better (a slightly better placement) but not a lot to do with technique, he is still pretty weak. That is the same case for many sm idols like yoona or minho, they sound much better now compared to their debut days, but they only learned how to "sound better" not proper technique.
Jodi Wong Two of the few naturals.... Ryeowook and Kyuhyun trained shorter time than the other SuJu members too. Gems. They did help their groups vocally...but SM helped them polish their natural talents too :)
Jodi Wong Not sure about Chen but I heard Baekhyun was already receiving vocal lessons even before he became an SM trainee thats why he debuted quickly. Like Sunny was a trainee for 6 months in SM before being the last to join SNSD but before that she was in another agency and received vocal training.
I wish teaching proper, healthy technique was more valued by companies - like how SM does. Because if some of these vocalists continue to strain their voices for years, they could end up in a bad place :(
hannahthecritter I know right? I wonder why some companies don't value vocal technique/health. It's really important and it seems like a lot of people don't get that. It's just as important as anything else. If you want a group to last long, their VOICES have to last long. (Though that may be the one of the problems, maybe they don't expect the group to last that long so they just don't care)
sydney trbl thank you I was mentioning in her mask singer how her voice is average if she continues to push that nasally voice she's going to end up like park bom seriously yg needs to take care of their artists and people were praising her unique voice. This is why yuju is the best out of the rookies so far I don't know anyone else who is good perhaps seungkwan's but that's not saying much.
that's what proper, corect technique does to an already existing, albeit weak voice. besides, when taemin debuted he was so young, his voice and body didn't fully develop yet. i sometimes am happy he barely had any lines at first bc he didn't have to strain his voice like many other idols have to. thus he improved like any singer should, but, in kpop i notice companies don't really care about techniue, only how unique your voice is, how to blend with the group and high notes.
Leo strains a lot and he sounds like he is screaming more than singing sometimes..... tho im surprise with ken , and chen indeed is a great vocalist waiting for sm to give him a solo
its sad to think that the vocal coaches in many of these companies are butchering these singers voices. I'll mainly speak of Bighit and YG as a fan of groups from those companies they are ruining their voices slowly. Bom already lost her voice from the constant out of range strain and i see Jimin on that same path. Rose is still good but her technique is cringy. They have the money so please invest in your talent
Jeonsa(전사) For real.. I get that BigHit is a company more focused on hip-hop sound but they still need to show care to their vocalists (especially now that BTS has been doing a lot more ballad-y, vocal-focused songs). It's been 4 years and BTS's vocalists' progress has gone so slowly.. They are all talented and have beautiful voices but BigHit isn't nurturing those voices very well at all. Personally, I hate seeing what they're doing to Taehyung's voice the most. He has a gorgeous baritone, but they're forcing him to sing as if though he's a tenor like the other 3 vocalists in BTS..
DoveStories i agree, Taehyung is the best vocalist in BTS but they keep pushing Jungkook and Jimin.. Maybe Taehyung's voice doesn't match with their songs. i don't know
please people don't think that these vocalists are bad. they just weren't taught about support and proper technique. with help they can get better, they will improve hopefully so don't think of them as bad. just think of them as working on it and improving. you can Still hype up your fav and others too just be respectful and don't use this as a way to be rude to other fans.
karla hernandez If they don't change the way they sing, with the help of a REAL vocal instructure.... or if they are taught wrong and their company likes that (yg & jyp) the's no way most of them will improve.
jesus rivera its not that they can't improve its just that a lot of companies think these people are good singers so they don't have actual instructors to help them actually learn. they assume because they can hit a few notes that they're great so they don't bother to get actual vocal instructors. some companies however do put in effort. however its not the artists fault that they don't get help so they shouldn't be bashed because they don't know any better.
It is what i meant tho, yg likes nasal singers, jyp like unsopported/airy singers, big hit doesn't even care .... it is sad that these entertainmnet companies( and so many others) based on music don't knowwhat the basic of singing.
jesus rivera they want money, few artists and companies actually care for the idols. that's just the way it is. some idols do get more help and training but others don't.
i just want to point out that how amazing sm vocal trainers are that they can bring taemin to that level. the boy really work so hard and props to sm, they really train their singers well.
i drop sehun for vivi I agree I was so impressed that Taemin could support the note well like that👏🏻👏🏻 I know he improved so much, even singing very stable high notes in songs and live performances, but almost NO ONE who's a "main dancer" gets that far in singing. And the video of him supporting that note even looked a bit old!
I Xo seeing Jongin right now didn't even have proper support at all, & how busy EXO is, yes it would take a pretty long time for him to at least reach half of what Taemin has achieved(as a comparison).
Exactly, he just needed some vocal trainning cause her voice was a hidden gem, but with idols like Tiffany they're doing their job wrong pushing her to do high notes out of her range.
I wish other companies trained their singers as well as them. Some singers have great voices but are taught such unhealthy techniques (or are they even taught at all ?) that they end up damaging their vocal cords irremediably.
Thao Truong that's true, but sm turns idols who know nothing about singing to good vocalists. Take Luna and Taemin for example. Both of them were scouted for their dancing ability and were weak vocalists but look at them now. Also, most of the idols who debuted in sm just for their visuals have improved so much in their singing ability compared to other companies, they went from idols who say 2 or 3 words in songs to being decent singers. Also, if you talk about top 5 male idols with best techniques, there would be 4 out of 5 from sm only.
They ARE the best companies though. Largest&richest company, produced so many legends, their groups are the most awarded, they aren't just known in the idol industry but acting, modelling and variety as well (with SM C&C/ESteem), they're the only company to go further and experiment with big projects (first rotational group in kpop: SUJU, first koreano-chinese group: EXO, first group with an unlimited number of members and units: NCT, only company to launch a project that promotes music as art through 1 song a week: SMSTATION) and I can keep on forever. I didn't even bring up SM's achievements of 1st gen. They started kpop. They may have shitty management but they're still on top of the game and unsurpassable.
i think it's important to note that some idols were in both categories, so you shouldn't use this video or any one performance to label who's a good or bad singer.
abby sucks Exactly. even great singers have bad days. I was surprised to see Chen and K Will in the strain section. But I know they are both very talented
Jeonsa(전사) lol no. Chen's highest supported note is A4 and K.Will's highest supported note is G4/G#4... so if they singing or phrasing the notes above their highest supported note, then it's obviously they're strained. They both are talented singers but it's fact that they'll straining if they sing above their highest supported notes
They aren't saying whos a good or bad singer...they are comparing voices of strained and unstrained to show a difference ...if their voice is strained it doesnt mean they are bad lmao
abby sucks I think the owner of this video wants to educate some kpop fans with no knowledge of vocal technique to differentiate between Supported and Strained notes
from what i've seen all over youtube and by browsing the web, SMs trainers have done an extraordinary job. with makes and females. Luna being in the top 5 female kpop vocalists EVER and taeyeon and wendy right behind while kyuhyun and baekhyun and chenare up there and taemin right behind. and its even crazier that they took taemins vocals that far. they seriously do so well with teaching the proper singing techniques. i applaud them for wanting to keep their vocals in nice shape and consistent edit: i spelled males wrong but i think you all understood
Luna in top 5? Nope. Also Kyungsoo>Baekhyun, don't forget Jonghyun either. SME has the largest amount of technically proficient idol vocalists in Kpop. It pains me when people say SME idols are all looks, no talent.
some of those that you guys mentioned above luna are not idols. i was referring to vocals among kpop idols haha. most of the ones you guys mentioned are just korean singers not idols
Bighit should get a better vocal coach I know they are hip hop group but don't waste your vocalist especially taehyung that boys voice is pure gold and stop making jimin strain so much he will loose his voice soon and I believe with good coaching kookie will be able to hit high notes without strain
I'm in love with BTS and MAMAMOO I know they have a good rap and dance line I'm just saying their vocal line is so frickin talented and can do better with a better vocal coach
Essentially, supported sounds come from the diaphragm. If the placement of the sound is right, and there's no tension, supported sounds will also resonate. The sound then comes out like a beam of light. Strained (or unsupported) sounds tend to get trapped in the throat because the diaphragm is not being used. All this does is cause the swallowing muscles to engage, which introduces tension, hence the whiny and thin sound often found in unsupported vocals. This can also happen while speaking. To see this for yourself, use your throat to sing a note. Try to hold it out for as long as you can and stay on key. Not easy, right? Now, breathe into your lower back and sustain a note. If done correctly, you should feel less tension in the throat and a buzzing sensation on your face. Your pitch should also be more stable. Singing like this is healthier and more natural for the voice.
Taemin and Luna were only dancers, now she's one of the top vocals of SM, and Taemin is also doing very well. Happily SM give their artists a excellent vocal training.
bts fam like just roll with it agree especially with Rose people say her voice is unique but her technique is terrible she's going to damage her vocal cords SM really knows what they're doing
Inspirit of Starlights, Armies, and Exo-l The thing I notice about SM singers is that they all sound the same and sing the same way. Not hating because all the receipts are on video. They have great vocal lessons but they lack originality.
Haena Kim how the fuck they sound the same? You mean their tone? & sing the same way? how? can you elaborate? Because sometimes people just wanna talk whatever they want but can't explain further what they mean clearly. That's pretty much bullshit in my opinion.
Haena Kim they all sound similar because they are all using proper techniques to sing rather than straining or singing nasally to produce a special "original" sound
Andreanata Noivan a lot of their artists do have the same vocal type. if you listen to lucky one by exo and switch by nct 127 after one another you might see what we mean. also it's possible that the person commenting didnt know exactly how to explain it because they dont have that kind of knowledge. there's no need to be rude to them
Grace Sean your list is accurate tho. In kpop idol vocalists, Kyuhyun is at the top with Hwanhee so he's the best one in sm followed by ryeowook then chen
Mine would be ofc exo vocal line but if you're talking about one from each group, its (in particular order) 1 - baekhyun (exo) 2 - taeil (nct) 3 - taeyang (bigbang) 4 - seungkwan (seventeen) 5 - hongki (ft island)
I honestly believe Sandeul's resonance is the best I hear these days in kpop. That's not to diss the other vocalists, because VIXX is in fact my bias group. But I can understand that juat because Ken and Leo are great sounding vocalists, does not mean they have great techniques. Also, Hongbin would be so proud of Park Hyoshin's support lol
wonsikbrah yes,people need to understand differnce.Even tho I am Starlight and love Vixx to universe I can see that they have not recieved proper vocal training and they strain a lot,esp Leo
neither JYPE. when their "couch" when to sister slam dunk he basically told then to scream the high notes e.e so you see GOT7's JB here with no proper technique. YoungJae NOW is taking lessons outside of the.company but how many times all these boys hurt their throats and vocal.chords because the company doesn't do the right thing.
HereIStandbyU I agree a lot, JB has such a beautiful voice colour and I'm pretty sure that he will improve his technic, i hope that youngjae will influence him to do it, it would such a shame if they do not do it because they both have powerful voices.
Yo for some reason I felt like it was harder for me to tell when someone was straining for this video compared to the female one. Like there were obvious cases, but some of them kinda surprised me Anyways I loved these past 2 videos, fantastic work sis
Joey Perez this is exactly as i thought. I found it harder to identify the strain in male belting esp in e4-g4. it is still sound round somehow, so for me it still sounds the same ( supported or not), but as u said like in some cases we can identify that strained sound when it sounds so obvious like when hoarse and tension come out
Joey Perez I agree it is so much harder to tell when makes, especially the singers in this video, are straining or not. I was getting confused, if the strain support thing was not there I would have not realized when some people were straining.
Sometimes the sound is the same/similar, but when you observe the throats and larynx of someone straining it's more clear that they're injuring their vocal cords even if no tension is heard.
Joey Perez uhm i just wanna tell my opinion abt strain/support.(well this is just how i see it or based on my observations) When i can't differentiate strain and support i sometimes look at the singer's neck, if there are visible veins appearing, then i can tell it's strain but when there's none or not that visible then it's support. Well i'm not sure if that's right but as i said it's based on my observations 😊
Jungkook did say he never liked practicing his singing when he was a trainee... and that shows. His color of voice is so beautiful, but his technique is just not there.
At least he improved a LOT over time and he's actually one of my favourite vocalists since he has a really beautiful sweet voice and still manages to get such good control over it and he is reaaaaally stable when singing live I think he doesn't actually strain his voice anymore + plus he sings almost every note perfectly live even while dancing. Most Idols can't be the main vocalist and lead dancer at the same time since it would be extremely tiring but he's got high stamina through a lot of hard work
listen just cause it sounds 'nice' to you doesn't mean it won't damage their voice permanently in the end.Also stop being mad your favs are here lol this is an unbiased analysis maybe you should think objectively and accept it.
even tho im a trained singer i got kinda shocked at inseong! like his voice is so full and rounded that you wouldnt expect it to be strained but listening to it closely you can hear that his throat is slightly closed when he belts which is just a result of how he's been trained on how to project his notes unfourtunately. he still has one of my fav voices from any rookie of last year tho :)
kim seokjin?? more like push me off a cliff Same girl, i didn't expected him here... I hope he doesn't cause too much damage to his voice. I really love him and wanna listen to his notes for long hahaha
evelyn uhh I agree, I used to be a big stan of bts so I guess at that time I thought everyone was perfect and now that I listen to other groups, I’ve noticed all the vocalist strain their voices at times and I kinda feel the pain. I wanted to see other ppls opinions on this and videos where they’re like “bts can’t sing, well here” etc and everyone’s like they have the best vocals and big hit is great but all my friends are like worried for them especially jimin cause when he does his high notes they sometimes sound painful.
Thea Bruun technique wise, exo ia still better but I'll give them props for good vocalists despite being underrated: 1 - chen (exo) (proficent to good) 2 - gunwoo (myname) (proficient) 3 - hyunmin (dgna) (proficient) 4 - d.o (exo) (proficient) 5 - baekhyun (exo) (above average to proficient) 6 - rokhyun (100%) (above average to proficient) 7 - mika (dgna) (above average) 8 - hyukjin (100%) (above average)
i love bts and all but armys gotta chill down on praising bts vocal line. they go way over board and sometime comparing it to chen or kyuhyun and actual saying bts vocal line is better like tf??
svt jun can like get it lol no one says their vocal line is better.. we praise them so they can get better and better. We always know in the back of our heads that we dont have the best vocal line. We got one of the best rap lines and thats really the honor for us
literally the only armys i seen trash other vocalist are the immature ones who never know when to shut up, it’s obvious bts doesn’t have the best vocal line, but they’ve definitely improved A LOT. also, praising = hyping their faves, i really don’t see a problem in that lol.
(taemint here) Taemin has come a long way. He went from a smol 14-15 year old with little vocals to a freaking improved artist. I agree that SM Vocal trainers do an excellent job with the artists and trainees
y'all don't get too mad, even if some are listed under strain it doesn't make them bad vocalists, they just have a different way of singing that wasn't achieved through proper singing lessons there are some leo, kwill abd woohyun clips as strained but they are still great vocalists
mirta ᄋ I don't know why people get mad when others state that their idol strain/doesn't have good vocal tecnique. It's just a fact... I love solji and I admit she strains most of her high notes.
Yoly G ofc, plus there are a lot of great vocalists in kpop and the fact that they got singing lessons and stuff ofc makes them better on a practical level, yet those who strain are still good but most definitely not as capable as the first ones
mirta ᄋ vocal range doesn't mean anything. Leo literally falls under category of "weak vocalist". & almost all vocalists listed above who can support, can pretty much sing in many genre too.
You can see it in their expression/gestures tho. The strained ones, their expression looks really tense while the supported ones looks relaxed and free
CeeejPri123 not necessarily like that If you based the one's straining or supporting by the expressions/gestures, I'm sure you'll assuming Sohyang strained because she often do that kind of really tense expression when she hits extremely high notes
Dani Marwan so true we can only judge if someone strains by their vocal production some singers like whitney and so hyang use those head moves to convey emotion so its not neccesarry strain
Nayeons and jeongyeons dildo omg I found you in many of Sohyang's vids 😂 Yes, we can't always judge if the vocalist straining or not by their tense expression 😄
"VIXX's Leo, despite having *great natural ability*" I can't tell you how much I agree with this. Whoever trained him, if he has ever been trained, is doing a shit job. Leo possesses such a wide natural range that it's mind-boggling, but when he belts it always sounds like he's pushing through something. It's such a fucking waste. He can't keep this up forever.
Grace anonymous he used the word "fuc*ing" because of the strong feeling he has towards the situation where Leo have to strain frequently to the high notes. Because of course it's really a waste if his voice would be ruined just because of improper technique when he could do so much better than that.
1. kyuhyun 2. hyoshin 3. sandeul 4. ryewook 5. chen so, yes. Sandeul is one of the most talented, technique wise, vocalists in the industry (from the top 3, i also like his vocal color the most)
Menyi P Music is a monster of a subject, so I recommend you to go search more about vocal technique. It's not only about having a powerful voice, which is the case of most K Idols from Sm. I'm not saying that all of them don't have it, but most of them really just have a very strong voice.
Rachel Kwan lmao...kyuhyun and jonghyun have the best proper technique among kpop artist...jongdae and reywook have a good technique as well...and ofc don't forget Luna and Wendy and taeyeon
I knew from the moment I first became a fan of DB5K that if SM can train them and all of them still have their voices to this day, that they are very good at teaching singers to maintain their voices. Taeyeon is also a perfect example. Thats one good thing SM does is train their talent well
I really enjoyed that masquerade preformace. But im not a huge fan of his solo releases to date. Almost feel like sm is playing it safe? With the releases, a solo song such as masquerade would be amazing to be released as a single. Just my personal thoughts anyway.
AuntyStan its not playing safe, ballad is just his type of song. His dream was actually to be a ballad singer, but sm put him in suju instead. Sadly bc ifans think ballad is boring, they often ignore his talent because he doesnt do "high notes" or his songs are "easy" to sing. But when he do other genre like that mosquerade rock performance, he knocked every idols put of the park
I wasn't too surprised with Leo, don't get me wrong I'm a huge Starlight Leo being my bias, but there are times I think his high notes are really forced and it sounds gritty and almost painful. I was surprised about Ken though I definitely wouldn't have guessed that about him.
Time is a motive too ... I'm sorry, but I think in the older groups, in their early days some of them were not as good or "talented" as now (I mean the same singers do not style something " The new ones are better, no. "Come on, someone who's been singing a year would not compare to someone who's sung during ... idk, 10 years). The newer groups do not have that much time (But it's true, some sing throughout their lives, I do not know how to justify those cases) Please, do not underestimate the newer groups ... It's very sad for fans of these, like me :( (I made this by translate of google, if you don't understand, I'm sorry but my english skills aren't really good).
T s u k k ι s α u r ι o ه i agree time in the business doesnt make your vocals better.... how much training you have received is important.. this is why wendy just debuted and is better than taeyon which is 10 years in the industry
T s u k k ι s α u r ι o ه the newer groups are also coming out in a time when the industry is so much larger and more competitive. It seems like the older groups were more well crafted since the industry was smaller and less stressful. The newer groups are being pumped out to try to keep up with demand and competition. So not only have older groups had years to master things and the younger haven't had that much time, companies are getting greedier and caring less about what they're putting out there.
There are new groups with a pretty high potential though. Just give them time and they will impress you just like how Taemin impressed us all. Training can make a difference.
THANK YOU THANK YOUUUUUU like the difference is so clear, i mean people can like timbres and styles but the fact is that you NEED technique if you actually want to sing for at least 30 years and survive while doing it. Also this shows how every single vocalist can have good and bad moments. THANK YOU x100000
Nayeons and jeongyeons dildo ..... no it doesnt mean they're inconsistent, they are both very consistent within their supported range, specially chen, but this range has an end and any note they singe outside their supported range is obviously going to be strained. Of course the bigger your supported range is the better, that is why i.e kyuhyun is a better vocalist than both of them, his supported range goes higher, but also hans an end. the ultimate vocalist is the one who can support every note of his vocal range but that is imposible.
Thank you for making this great video. I love Chen, Woohyun, Ken, Sandeul, Kyuhyun and obviously Park Hyoshin vocals the best. Lot of the above Kpop idol (support) had experience stain vocals in some performance in their career they have their good and bad days but some of the idol who was used as example for stain vocals are not bad vocalist for example K Will, Leo or Ken. So I hope people understand and don't get upset it's just a video to show the difference I hope people don't cause fan wars and say this idol is better than this idol or make a judgement because of these examples. I just want to point out I'm proud of Woohyun he improved so much from his rookie days, most of his performance shown in this video was back in 2011 a year after his debut he really did improve a lot through the years he have better support now and look at his recent and last year Immortal song performance it's really impressive and give me goosebumps (he scored highest for idol) his really a emotional and a very good singer also his vocals sounds a lot mature now or another example how Taemin was one of the weaker vocalist of Shinee in the earlier days and now he can belt high notes and one of the best vocalist in Shinee so what I'm trying to say same can be said for the rookie group hopefully some of the rookie Idol group listed here might have better support in the future they are new and always room for improvements and we shouldn't look down on them. I hope to see V, Minhyuk (Monsta X) Sunggyu, Yoseop and etc.
Gina Rosa sorry for bursting your bubble. But analysing them as a vocalist, based on vocal technique, K. Will is only above average vocalist which mean still pretty good tho. But Ken & Leo? Ken is only average vocalist, almost on the bottom area compared to the other averages, while Leo is deadass a weak vocalist, among the weakest even for idols that have main/lead vocals as their position.
even though i love taekwoon and taekwoons voice to pieces, i have to agree, his voice is an excellent example of vocal strain. i honestly don't think he was vocally trained properly and is well on his way to permanently damaging his vocal chords if he doesn't learn a different technique to hit the notes he's told to soon. im not a professional, so this is all my opinion but im sure some of you can agree. adding onto that, the amount of high notes he's required to hit are insane, especially considering how unproperly trained his vocals are and i wish jellyfish ent would take note of this soon, it's worrying me. i feel like i repeated a lot of my points and opinions but i think you get the general idea lol
Sm has like the best vocal training. They have many good vocalists (above average) and even have the best dancers but people still label them as a face company.
sandeul, eunkwang and kyuhyun are my top vocalists. their range, control and technique clearly suggests than aside.from being born with talent they also had yhe proper training 😍
that guy Jung Dongha just slayed my existence. btw, before, I used to think Leo was good as a vocalist, but lately I started to noticed he's actually not THAT good and this just confirmed it. I think he has a nice range (?), but he wasn't... appropiately trained? I don't know very well if it's the same with Ken.
Believe me, I love his voice. I like everything about it, even when he strains (but that man is going get something damaged if he keeps going like that). I didn't explain myself properly. I was meant to talk only about technique when I said 'a good vocalist'.
Inseong does strain his voice sometimes but for the most part he's such an amazing vocalist and he can hit really good notes. He has great power and range
It makes me sad that some very talented vocalists have not had proper training. VIXX Leo for instance. he has a lot of natural ability and you can hear that in his performance, but he still strains. I would hope that another vocalist or a manager discusses it with him and helps him get a coach who can teach him to do it more properly. I would hate to see his voice damaged
Sm is shitty in all other aspects but their vocal training is on point. Their vocalists are so well trained. Baekhyun’s and Chen’s notes are so clean and effortless. Bighit should seriously train their artists better. I love the boys. No denial of their talent. But they lack technique. For the sake of their health, i really wish Bighit would train them better. This isn’t comparison ,just an opinion. I’m an Army and I hope no one takes offence.
Dunno, NCT Taeyong and Mark write all their own stuff and they're rapping is really good, but imo I think they're the only ones. SM just needs to sort out their ethical management and then they'll be better haha.
FakeSmilesandLaughs It wasn't really until Taeyong and Mark came around that SM gave liberty for artists to perform their own rap-based songs though. Prior to that, I don't remember SM giving that kind of freedom to any other rap-focused artists. I think SM is really strict when it comes to change and freedom for their artists, but I think they're opening it up a bit more than they used to, which is a good thing. I do agree that I wish that BigHit would allow them to have proper vocal coaches because at this point they can't give the excuse that they don't have enough money...they can probably get the best vocal coaches around the world for each of them. I'm most worried for Jimin because they're trying to make him sing notes that are high, but not properly which can really damage his voice in the long run and BigHit I'm tryin to be a 60 year old ARMY still listening to them sing, you know what I mean? :>
Annefantasy2003 no!, leehyun is ranked as a proficient vocalist and surprisingly, hes technicaly better than all shinee vocalists, all btob vocalists, all tvxq vocalists, and all exo vocalists except for chen. Bts should definitely learn from their sunbae so they can at least how to sing with proper dynamics and technique before its too late (especially for jimin).
Taemin used to be called a tone deaf singer and he lacked technique and he screamed most of the time during their debut times. I'm so happy he never gave up and worked really hard. Now he's a respected artist
i'm pretty sure Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Dongha, and Hyoshin, chen would be here lol the rest are not bad, it just their limit just still too low compared the good already one.
He's good but pretty underrate so sometimes i think he'll get low credit that's why sometimes when something like this coming i'm not really sure he'll added, that's so f-ing sad. While Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Chen and Hyosin are already like "you know them? Wow they're the best" thing-y. even Dongha compared to Hyoshin, Hyosin i think sometimes get more credit.
I've always thought that if BTS' vocal line got a better vocal training they would be amazing singers. And please, don't get me wrong, I love BTS, but yeah, I think they need better training, which should be done now that they have all the means to.
The thing is that, I always seeing commen that they actually didnt improved at all since debut days. By some people that I can guarantee they know what theyre saying. And thats upsetting to me bcos BH just doesnt fix that.
and it's so sad - I feel so bad for them that big hit pushes them to sing in a destructive manner. At this rate, their voices would not last and they will end up with permanent damage. keep in mind though that at this point, it's hard for them to re-learn and employ better technique. They've been singing like this for so long now that it's become a habit that's difficult to reverse. And as mentioned big hit doesn't fucking care so I'm not getting my hopes up :(
Actually rn i think they are getting vocal lessons jimin improved a fucking lot(he sounds way better better live now but still dosent support much) Jungkook is less breathy V is i dont know sounds really good way better actually for Jin i think hes good but he should change his technique he is forcing his voice too much
thank you so much for this insightful video. we want our idols to take care of their proper vocal technique so that they dont end up in permanent vocal damage.
Knowing nothing about vocal techniques or the "science" behind singing, I found this video very interesting. I had heard the terms "strain" and "support" before, but never fully understood what they meant in relation to singing, so thanks to EXIDek! And I feel like I'll (kinda) be able to tell the difference the next time I hear one of my faves ^^ I would like to note that I personally like the sound of a strained voice as much as a supported voice - they each have their own charms to me. However, if it puts the vocalist's voice at risk, I'd rather they stick with a supported voice more often then not :/
Wow Taemin really impressed me like I don't follow shinee now but I did when they just debuted and i thought he was just going to stay as a main dancer with not many singing lines but it really surprised me seeing him after all these years releasing solo albums and being a lead vocal inside shinee like wow
He supports until A4 (an example is included in this video) Anyway I wouldn't use his cover of Tears as an example, though, because that was a one time thing (I hope at least), just to show how high he could reach, not how good of a vocalist he is XD (even though people sometimes misunderstand those 2 things) Sadly he is required to sing higher than his comfortable range because that's what kpop is about a lot of times, high notes...I hope he can preserve his voice for a long time!
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if only sm treated the idols themselves as well as they treat their vocal cords
Sigh... true
Sadly, now this truly applies.
PREACH👏👏
iM whEEziNg
burn.
Strain vs SM
i'M MCWHEEZING
Lol
😂😂😂
Lol I have to agree
Sadly true. Since SM is literally one of the few that actually has good vocal trainers.
SM really train their singers well, that's all I can say
jesus rivera ehh not really. Jessica was trained for main vocal & the longest trainee too among SNSD & yet her gap is far away from Taeyeon.
Changmin is also one of the main vocal & yet he's a really weak vocalist than what people would think of about him.
Yesung too. Besides being trained for main vocal, Kyuhyun & Ryeowook deadass leaving him so far away. Kyuhyun even spend shorter time of being a trainee than those two.
Junsu is only average when he's still in TVXQ & still is even after leaving the group for a long time until he developed his technique himself. Jaejoong is average too & still is even to this point.
For the lead vocals? Donghae, Sungmin, Tiffany, Sunny, Seohyun, Suho, Xiumin, Lay, Luhan, Joy, Seulgi & Krystal are pretty much ranging from average to weak vocalists.
& Luna is the most obvious. She started as the main dancer until she worked hard on her voice & SM started to train her & definitely become main vocal. Literally the same case as Taemin.
So not everything is about the training. It also depends on the idol itself, whether if they're really talented or willing to work hard.
well sm makes the already good, better. but those who come in with avg vocals or less than avg, stay avg.
Czarina Lagrimas exactly! I can sense that sm doesn't joke around when it comes to vocal training all the singers have great support in their singing and the sound is always resonant and clear compared to some that sound to strained or forced
+Lee Park Disagree!!! HAVE YOU SEEN TAEMIN I AM SO PROUD OF THAT BOY I AM IN TEARS.
Even Jongin, although you can't say he has that good technique, he does do more singing than rapping which was his original position in the group.
Taemin is one big exeption, true, but that is because he wanted to improve himself sooo bad, and jonghyun helped him a lot, he did it for himself, that wasn't sm .... and he had natural talent ....., jongin now does sing more than during his debut days, but that hasn't make a difference in his technique so far, he has learned how to sound a bit better (a slightly better placement) but not a lot to do with technique, he is still pretty weak. That is the same case for many sm idols like yoona or minho, they sound much better now compared to their debut days, but they only learned how to "sound better" not proper technique.
never forget that both chen and baekhyun trained for less than a year
Jodi Wong Two of the few naturals.... Ryeowook and Kyuhyun trained shorter time than the other SuJu members too. Gems. They did help their groups vocally...but SM helped them polish their natural talents too :)
Kris Javier sm is just great at training vocals :)
Jodi Wong Not sure about Chen but I heard Baekhyun was already receiving vocal lessons even before he became an SM trainee thats why he debuted quickly. Like Sunny was a trainee for 6 months in SM before being the last to join SNSD but before that she was in another agency and received vocal training.
Yuri Sakura - And their training did not really stop after debut.
chen was taking singing lessons before and it was his teacher who advised him to audition at companies.
I wish teaching proper, healthy technique was more valued by companies - like how SM does. Because if some of these vocalists continue to strain their voices for years, they could end up in a bad place :(
hannahthecritter I know right? I wonder why some companies don't value vocal technique/health. It's really important and it seems like a lot of people don't get that. It's just as important as anything else. If you want a group to last long, their VOICES have to last long. (Though that may be the one of the problems, maybe they don't expect the group to last that long so they just don't care)
hannahthecritter just like Park Bom
hannahthecritter honestly like rosé is gonna ruin her voice cus of yg wanting her voice to be unique
sydney trbl thank you I was mentioning in her mask singer how her voice is average if she continues to push that nasally voice she's going to end up like park bom seriously yg needs to take care of their artists and people were praising her unique voice. This is why yuju is the best out of the rookies so far I don't know anyone else who is good perhaps seungkwan's but that's not saying much.
Kavya Sundar I would like to add Wendy, but idk if she is considered a rookie or not
I'm so proud of taemin, he's come a long way from the beginning and has improved so much
yes yes, i'm so happy to see him as an example twice ;w;
he really has improved so so much.. honestly who would've thought
sehunxings it feels like just yesterday that why so serious came out and we were all shocked by how many parts he got. he really has improved a lot💕
I'm so proud of our boy ❤️❤️❤️ he's come a long way
that's what proper, corect technique does to an already existing, albeit weak voice. besides, when taemin debuted he was so young, his voice and body didn't fully develop yet. i sometimes am happy he barely had any lines at first bc he didn't have to strain his voice like many other idols have to. thus he improved like any singer should, but, in kpop i notice companies don't really care about techniue, only how unique your voice is, how to blend with the group and high notes.
No doubt Kyuhyun is all up in here with the support. Taemin makes me happy. SM artists doing it right.
Sm makes sure their artists are well trained
There's a dude who analyzes K-pop artists TECHNIQUES and thus far, Kyuhyun is the best male vocal (technique wise) of those he analyzed.
In kpop, Park Hyoshin and Jung Dongha are higher though
G_pizzle10 They arent considered kpop. Just singers/solo artists
woordenhechtster yes he is.
Leo strains a lot and he sounds like he is screaming more than singing sometimes.....
tho im surprise with ken , and chen indeed is a great vocalist waiting for sm to give him a solo
Taekwoon shyness is adorable Ken is the best vocalist in VIXX, actually. Technique wise, i mean
Chen HAS solos, you can check them out!
White Noise chen Has OST and SM station, i want solo(the real deal) with promotion.... variety shows, music shows....
don't be so greedy :) chen himself said that he doesn't want a solo yet, he's still figuring out what he wants to do when the time comes
Taekwoon shyness is adorable Actually the artist are usually the first ones to ask for a solo. Chen himself said that he don't want a solo yet.
its sad to think that the vocal coaches in many of these companies are butchering these singers voices. I'll mainly speak of Bighit and YG as a fan of groups from those companies they are ruining their voices slowly. Bom already lost her voice from the constant out of range strain and i see Jimin on that same path. Rose is still good but her technique is cringy. They have the money so please invest in your talent
I don't know why they force nasality and lack of technique on Rose, girl has talent but they're going to kill her voice.
Jeonsa(전사)
I wish SM would learn rapping from YG and YG would learn singing from SM. I also feel like SM and YG should exchange styling tips 😂😂
Marwa Umar and JYP needs to learn all: singing, rapping and dancing
Jeonsa(전사) For real.. I get that BigHit is a company more focused on hip-hop sound but they still need to show care to their vocalists (especially now that BTS has been doing a lot more ballad-y, vocal-focused songs). It's been 4 years and BTS's vocalists' progress has gone so slowly.. They are all talented and have beautiful voices but BigHit isn't nurturing those voices very well at all. Personally, I hate seeing what they're doing to Taehyung's voice the most. He has a gorgeous baritone, but they're forcing him to sing as if though he's a tenor like the other 3 vocalists in BTS..
DoveStories i agree, Taehyung is the best vocalist in BTS but they keep pushing Jungkook and Jimin.. Maybe Taehyung's voice doesn't match with their songs. i don't know
SM artists domination
please people don't think that these vocalists are bad. they just weren't taught about support and proper technique. with help they can get better, they will improve hopefully so don't think of them as bad. just think of them as working on it and improving. you can Still hype up your fav and others too just be respectful and don't use this as a way to be rude to other fans.
Xoharu not in the comments but on twitter people are always bad mouthing artists for not being "stable" or not being able to "hit high notes"
karla hernandez If they don't change the way they sing, with the help of a REAL vocal instructure.... or if they are taught wrong and their company likes that (yg & jyp) the's no way most of them will improve.
jesus rivera its not that they can't improve its just that a lot of companies think these people are good singers so they don't have actual instructors to help them actually learn. they assume because they can hit a few notes that they're great so they don't bother to get actual vocal instructors. some companies however do put in effort. however its not the artists fault that they don't get help so they shouldn't be bashed because they don't know any better.
It is what i meant tho, yg likes nasal singers, jyp like unsopported/airy singers, big hit doesn't even care .... it is sad that these entertainmnet companies( and so many others) based on music don't knowwhat the basic of singing.
jesus rivera they want money, few artists and companies actually care for the idols. that's just the way it is. some idols do get more help and training but others don't.
SM is not all about looks, they have the best vocalists tbh.
Karime in kpop*
Karime and also their looks is fuckin beautiful
And dancers
Starlight Jaci dancers yes
BoA, Luna, Yunho, Taemin, Kai, Victoria, Hyoyeon, Seulgi, Ten and Eunhyuk are amazing
Korean best vocalist is Kim SoHyang btw 😂
i just want to point out that how amazing sm vocal trainers are that they can bring taemin to that level. the boy really work so hard and props to sm, they really train their singers well.
i drop sehun for vivi I agree I was so impressed that Taemin could support the note well like that👏🏻👏🏻 I know he improved so much, even singing very stable high notes in songs and live performances, but almost NO ONE who's a "main dancer" gets that far in singing. And the video of him supporting that note even looked a bit old!
Sakura11 yes. the first taemin's video is from 2012 and second is from 2013
I Xo that would need like a long time to go.
I Xo seeing Jongin right now didn't even have proper support at all, & how busy EXO is, yes it would take a pretty long time for him to at least reach half of what Taemin has achieved(as a comparison).
Exactly, he just needed some vocal trainning cause her voice was a hidden gem, but with idols like Tiffany they're doing their job wrong pushing her to do high notes out of her range.
There's a reason why SM is always on top when it comes to vocals
yup i agree
Jazzz G sm has the best vocal trainers/coaches and they never miss out on scouting trainees with great singing talent
I wish other companies trained their singers as well as them. Some singers have great voices but are taught such unhealthy techniques (or are they even taught at all ?) that they end up damaging their vocal cords irremediably.
Jazzz G nah I think rbw produces some of the best vocals I mean just look at mamamoo esna vromance and predebut group pop they all have amazing vocals
Thao Truong that's true, but sm turns idols who know nothing about singing to good vocalists. Take Luna and Taemin for example. Both of them were scouted for their dancing ability and were weak vocalists but look at them now. Also, most of the idols who debuted in sm just for their visuals have improved so much in their singing ability compared to other companies, they went from idols who say 2 or 3 words in songs to being decent singers. Also, if you talk about top 5 male idols with best techniques, there would be 4 out of 5 from sm only.
SM might not be the best company but they know their shit when itcomes to vocal training
Vathnea Toch how are they not the best company tho?
RandomCallMeNobody They're known for not treating their idols the best.
Vathnea Toch despite the slave contracts, mistreatment and mismanagement, they really know how to vocal train
They ARE the best companies though. Largest&richest company, produced so many legends, their groups are the most awarded, they aren't just known in the idol industry but acting, modelling and variety as well (with SM C&C/ESteem), they're the only company to go further and experiment with big projects (first rotational group in kpop: SUJU, first koreano-chinese group: EXO, first group with an unlimited number of members and units: NCT, only company to launch a project that promotes music as art through 1 song a week: SMSTATION) and I can keep on forever. I didn't even bring up SM's achievements of 1st gen. They started kpop.
They may have shitty management but they're still on top of the game and unsurpassable.
@@TheAlexandra211 yg and cube took that title lol
i think it's important to note that some idols were in both categories, so you shouldn't use this video or any one performance to label who's a good or bad singer.
abby sucks Exactly. even great singers have bad days. I was surprised to see Chen and K Will in the strain section. But I know they are both very talented
Jeonsa(전사) lol no. Chen's highest supported note is A4 and K.Will's highest supported note is G4/G#4... so if they singing or phrasing the notes above their highest supported note, then it's obviously they're strained.
They both are talented singers but it's fact that they'll straining if they sing above their highest supported notes
They aren't saying whos a good or bad singer...they are comparing voices of strained and unstrained to show a difference ...if their voice is strained it doesnt mean they are bad lmao
abby sucks you claimed they are labeling who's a good or bad singer by showing who strained and who didn't...
abby sucks I think the owner of this video wants to educate some kpop fans with no knowledge of vocal technique to differentiate between Supported and Strained notes
from what i've seen all over youtube and by browsing the web, SMs trainers have done an extraordinary job. with makes and females. Luna being in the top 5 female kpop vocalists EVER and taeyeon and wendy right behind while kyuhyun and baekhyun and chenare up there and taemin right behind.
and its even crazier that they took taemins vocals that far. they seriously do so well with teaching the proper singing techniques. i applaud them for wanting to keep their vocals in nice shape and consistent
edit: i spelled males wrong but i think you all understood
Don't forget jonghyun
i'd say she's /almost/ there. there's always ailee, haeri, shannon, lina and son seungyeon to overcome...
Nur Fadhilahthamwin yeah but she isn't considered "kpop"
Luna in top 5? Nope.
Also Kyungsoo>Baekhyun, don't forget Jonghyun either. SME has the largest amount of technically proficient idol vocalists in Kpop. It pains me when people say SME idols are all looks, no talent.
some of those that you guys mentioned above luna are not idols. i was referring to vocals among kpop idols haha. most of the ones you guys mentioned are just korean singers not idols
Bighit should get a better vocal coach I know they are hip hop group but don't waste your vocalist especially taehyung that boys voice is pure gold and stop making jimin strain so much he will loose his voice soon and I believe with good coaching kookie will be able to hit high notes without strain
Akshaya Ravi indeed
I agree
I love Taehyung’s voice ... but he’s a baritone so he’s always not given most parts.(personally my favorite vocal in the vocal line)
I'm in love with BTS and MAMAMOO you're basically saying that you want bts to damage & lose their voices.
I'm in love with BTS and MAMAMOO I know they have a good rap and dance line I'm just saying their vocal line is so frickin talented and can do better with a better vocal coach
sandeul's voice colour is really pretty. one of my favourite voices.
inspirit96 yes
inspirit96 I love your profile picture
inspiritize ik
Do u know what song that he sing on 0:43?
@@yaizaananda7293 The Way to Live Like a Man. They won on this episode. 😊
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Essentially, supported sounds come from the diaphragm. If the placement of the sound is right, and there's no tension, supported sounds will also resonate. The sound then comes out like a beam of light.
Strained (or unsupported) sounds tend to get trapped in the throat because the diaphragm is not being used. All this does is cause the swallowing muscles to engage, which introduces tension, hence the whiny and thin sound often found in unsupported vocals. This can also happen while speaking.
To see this for yourself, use your throat to sing a note. Try to hold it out for as long as you can and stay on key. Not easy, right?
Now, breathe into your lower back and sustain a note. If done correctly, you should feel less tension in the throat and a buzzing sensation on your face. Your pitch should also be more stable. Singing like this is healthier and more natural for the voice.
This comment should go to top and deserve upvotes 👍
+Dani Marwan Thanks. :)
TheMaleAvenger this needs to be at the top
Commenting to remember 💜😂
Screenshot this to practice and now I comment for future reference lol
Sandeul is such a king. Y'all going on about SM and you're right but I just wanna talk about B1A4's vocal king.
Kook and Suga lamb skewer duo omg girl me too i love sm but I wanna talk about how dang sweet his voice was truly a masterpiece ain't it? 🍵
Kook and Suga lamb skewer duo SANDEUL VOCAL KING 👑👑👑👑👑
Sandeul did better
Kook and Suga lamb skewer duo YEYES
I don't know him but when i heard his voice i was damn im gonna cri 😭
Taemin and Luna were only dancers, now she's one of the top vocals of SM, and Taemin is also doing very well. Happily SM give their artists a excellent vocal training.
bts fam like just roll with it agree especially with Rose people say her voice is unique but her technique is terrible she's going to damage her vocal cords SM really knows what they're doing
SM really train their artists well, their vocal techniques are amazing
And Chen... omg I don't even have word... He is really the best vocalist I know...
SM singers are the kings of vocals tbh
Inspirit of Starlights, Armies, and Exo-l The thing I notice about SM singers is that they all sound the same and sing the same way. Not hating because all the receipts are on video. They have great vocal lessons but they lack originality.
Haena Kim how the fuck they sound the same? You mean their tone? & sing the same way? how? can you elaborate? Because sometimes people just wanna talk whatever they want but can't explain further what they mean clearly. That's pretty much bullshit in my opinion.
Haena Kim they all sound similar because they are all using proper techniques to sing rather than straining or singing nasally to produce a special "original" sound
Andreanata Noivan a lot of their artists do have the same vocal type. if you listen to lucky one by exo and switch by nct 127 after one another you might see what we mean. also it's possible that the person commenting didnt know exactly how to explain it because they dont have that kind of knowledge. there's no need to be rude to them
Haena Kim i agree with you but i also think they have some really original voices in there too, like shinee and luna taeyeon
SM really values vocal training. Kyuhyun and Chen are just so good. Taemin is also very good, considering that he's SHINee's lead dancer.
with Chen and Kyuhyun i'd say it's about natural talent
they sound so effortless
Christine Mae Aguilar *main
Kyuhyun is fucking beast, he is probably the best one in SM with ryeowook and chen behind him
Grace Sean your list is accurate tho. In kpop idol vocalists, Kyuhyun is at the top with Hwanhee so he's the best one in sm followed by ryeowook then chen
Grace Sean yes i agree with u.
SM DOMINATION
hi hello SM definitely knows how to train their vocalists👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Like N.666 7u7
My Top 5 Male Vocalists (in no particular order)
1. Sandeul
2. Ryeowook
3. Kyuhyun
4. Chen
5. Jonghyun
DumbDumb Nice choices. I had them in mine.
OMG NOT LYING THESE ARE MY 5 FAVOURITE MALE VOCALISTS NO LIE HOLY!!!!! #goodtaste
Same💕
More like top 5 Male idol vocalists. Also kyuhyun should be on second
Mine would be ofc exo vocal line but if you're talking about one from each group, its (in particular order)
1 - baekhyun (exo)
2 - taeil (nct)
3 - taeyang (bigbang)
4 - seungkwan (seventeen)
5 - hongki (ft island)
I honestly believe Sandeul's resonance is the best I hear these days in kpop. That's not to diss the other vocalists, because VIXX is in fact my bias group. But I can understand that juat because Ken and Leo are great sounding vocalists, does not mean they have great techniques.
Also, Hongbin would be so proud of Park Hyoshin's support lol
wonsikbrah yes,people need to understand differnce.Even tho I am Starlight and love Vixx to universe I can see that they have not recieved proper vocal training and they strain a lot,esp Leo
u right
neither JYPE. when their "couch" when to sister slam dunk he basically told then to scream the high notes e.e
so you see GOT7's JB here with no proper technique.
YoungJae NOW is taking lessons outside of the.company but
how many times all these boys hurt their throats and vocal.chords because the company doesn't do the right thing.
HereIStandbyU I agree a lot, JB has such a beautiful voice colour and I'm pretty sure that he will improve his technic, i hope that youngjae will influence him to do it, it would such a shame if they do not do it because they both have powerful voices.
Yes
SM = Support and Technique
Not always but ok
ManduGC I wasn't being serious ....
ManduGC not always but *most of them*
Malik Abdullah SnakeM
ZELINARMY better than bigstrain
& ppl think SM is a "visual" company when they're this full of great singers
Yo for some reason I felt like it was harder for me to tell when someone was straining for this video compared to the female one. Like there were obvious cases, but some of them kinda surprised me
Anyways I loved these past 2 videos, fantastic work sis
ikr .the G and F notes are really hard to tell whether they're straining or not hahaha
Joey Perez this is exactly as i thought. I found it harder to identify the strain in male belting esp in e4-g4. it is still sound round somehow, so for me it still sounds the same ( supported or not), but as u said like in some cases we can identify that strained sound when it sounds so obvious like when hoarse and tension come out
Joey Perez I agree it is so much harder to tell when makes, especially the singers in this video, are straining or not. I was getting confused, if the strain support thing was not there I would have not realized when some people were straining.
Sometimes the sound is the same/similar, but when you observe the throats and larynx of someone straining it's more clear that they're injuring their vocal cords even if no tension is heard.
Joey Perez uhm i just wanna tell my opinion abt strain/support.(well this is just how i see it or based on my observations) When i can't differentiate strain and support i sometimes look at the singer's neck, if there are visible veins appearing, then i can tell it's strain but when there's none or not that visible then it's support. Well i'm not sure if that's right but as i said it's based on my observations 😊
Jungkook did say he never liked practicing his singing when he was a trainee... and that shows. His color of voice is so beautiful, but his technique is just not there.
Maruzca he should have not wasted his voice like that
At least he improved a LOT over time and he's actually one of my favourite vocalists since he has a really beautiful sweet voice and still manages to get such good control over it and he is reaaaaally stable when singing live I think he doesn't actually strain his voice anymore + plus he sings almost every note perfectly live even while dancing. Most Idols can't be the main vocalist and lead dancer at the same time since it would be extremely tiring but he's got high stamina through a lot of hard work
@@musubi5636 He hasn't improved at all
@@Mono-ni7yu what's wrong with your ears
@@musubi5636 Nothing its just true, he's continuing his old habits. Only members who improved are V and Jin, Kinda jimin
kyuhyun and ryeowook's voice are no joke. proud to be elf~ 💓💓💓
I was surprised to Ken and I'm worried about Leo, he might damage his voice in the long run.
I think he already has, it is especially obvious after Eternity. At least for me.
Mackuh Mew Yes,I am worried to.Even tho Ken improved (not much but still) ,I hope Jepli does something about this,give them better vocal training.
Tamara Barna after eternity??
Emilly Mendoza The song Eternity by VIXX I believe.
Mackuh Mew as a STARLIGHT, i'm worried too 😖😖 i love VIXX so much that i hope nothing bad happens to them ( sorry for bad English)
listen just cause it sounds 'nice' to you doesn't mean it won't damage their voice permanently in the end.Also stop being mad your favs are here lol this is an unbiased analysis maybe you should think objectively and accept it.
Why do they always exclde D.O, he actually support A4 consistently and bb4 too
Heen Horengi agree he's slept on
ryeowook and yesung too
Yeah they always forget that he is among the top 5 vocalists in kpop
D.O. used to sing highnotes back then but he said he wasn't into it and he crowned himself as king of runs🤣🤣🤣😀
I agree, Kyungsoo has been supporting bb4 since Baby Don't Cry yet they don't include him
You should do a video on unsupported/supported head voice and relaxed/strained falsetto cause people need to know the truth lol
futurist 11 A few fandoms in particular v(•_•)
Inconspicuous ARMY people will be angry
Will be funny read the comments section of this vidoe
I’m curious. Mostly just so I can try to copy lol and see how much fail will come xD
futurist 11 haahahaha
Inconspicuous ARMY im new to reading of techniques and stuff so I'd love to see that, this stuff is very enlightening lol
even tho im a trained singer i got kinda shocked at inseong! like his voice is so full and rounded that you wouldnt expect it to be strained but listening to it closely you can hear that his throat is slightly closed when he belts which is just a result of how he's been trained on how to project his notes unfourtunately. he still has one of my fav voices from any rookie of last year tho :)
kim seokjin?? more like push me off a cliff Same girl, i didn't expected him here... I hope he doesn't cause too much damage to his voice. I really love him and wanna listen to his notes for long hahaha
i wish bts got proper vocal training,,,their vocals be so much better
lovely jnghsk ^
lovely jnghsk the only one in BTS with act noticable "right in your face" improvement is Taehyung
evelyn uhh v is the only average technique still in bts
Followed by jungkook ,jin and last jimin
evelyn uhh I agree, I used to be a big stan of bts so I guess at that time I thought everyone was perfect and now that I listen to other groups, I’ve noticed all the vocalist strain their voices at times and I kinda feel the pain. I wanted to see other ppls opinions on this and videos where they’re like “bts can’t sing, well here” etc and everyone’s like they have the best vocals and big hit is great but all my friends are like worried for them especially jimin cause when he does his high notes they sometimes sound painful.
@@GabyBong You can clearly hear Jimin strain in Fake Love.
It's interesting to see how many underrated groups have good vocalists. 100%, MYNAME, DGNA, etc. It kinda makes you think how unfair the industry is.
Thea Bruun technique wise, exo ia still better but I'll give them props for good vocalists despite being underrated:
1 - chen (exo) (proficent to good)
2 - gunwoo (myname) (proficient)
3 - hyunmin (dgna) (proficient)
4 - d.o (exo) (proficient)
5 - baekhyun (exo) (above average to proficient)
6 - rokhyun (100%) (above average to proficient)
7 - mika (dgna) (above average)
8 - hyukjin (100%) (above average)
i love bts and all but armys gotta chill down on praising bts vocal line. they go way over board and sometime comparing it to chen or kyuhyun and actual saying bts vocal line is better like tf??
svt jun can like get it lol no one says their vocal line is better.. we praise them so they can get better and better. We always know in the back of our heads that we dont have the best vocal line. We got one of the best rap lines and thats really the honor for us
literally the only armys i seen trash other vocalist are the immature ones who never know when to shut up, it’s obvious bts doesn’t have the best vocal line, but they’ve definitely improved A LOT. also, praising = hyping their faves, i really don’t see a problem in that lol.
I am an hardcore Army but I would never compare Chen and any of the vocal liners. The have improved a lot though.
problematicstan many do, they say bts are better than everyone else, and even compare it to other idols..
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(taemint here) Taemin has come a long way. He went from a smol 14-15 year old with little vocals to a freaking improved artist. I agree that SM Vocal trainers do an excellent job with the artists and trainees
he was actually tone deaf when he started
y'all don't get too mad, even if some are listed under strain it doesn't make them bad vocalists, they just have a different way of singing that wasn't achieved through proper singing lessons
there are some leo, kwill abd woohyun clips as strained but they are still great vocalists
mirta ᄋ I don't know why people get mad when others state that their idol strain/doesn't have good vocal tecnique. It's just a fact... I love solji and I admit she strains most of her high notes.
Yoly G ofc, plus there are a lot of great vocalists in kpop and the fact that they got singing lessons and stuff ofc makes them better on a practical level, yet those who strain are still good but most definitely not as capable as the first ones
mirta ᄋ
Not Leo, but the rest I agree.
Tickle my Minhoe i think he's one one the most valuable out there, he has a ridiculous vocal range and can pretty much sing anything
mirta ᄋ vocal range doesn't mean anything. Leo literally falls under category of "weak vocalist". & almost all vocalists listed above who can support, can pretty much sing in many genre too.
You can see it in their expression/gestures tho. The strained ones, their expression looks really tense while the supported ones looks relaxed and free
CeeejPri123 not necessarily like that
If you based the one's straining or supporting by the expressions/gestures, I'm sure you'll assuming Sohyang strained because she often do that kind of really tense expression when she hits extremely high notes
Dani Marwan
so true we can only judge if someone strains by their vocal production some singers like whitney and so hyang use those head moves to convey emotion so its not neccesarry strain
Nayeons and jeongyeons dildo omg I found you in many of Sohyang's vids 😂
Yes, we can't always judge if the vocalist straining or not by their tense expression 😄
"VIXX's Leo, despite having *great natural ability*" I can't tell you how much I agree with this. Whoever trained him, if he has ever been trained, is doing a shit job. Leo possesses such a wide natural range that it's mind-boggling, but when he belts it always sounds like he's pushing through something. It's such a fucking waste. He can't keep this up forever.
Grace anonymous um, how. They just said that Leo needs a better voice trainer, because straining like that will ruin his voice
Grace anonymous yeah, it’s a waste of him to use his voice that way, and if he continues, then his voice will be damaged
Grace anonymous he used the word "fuc*ing" because of the strong feeling he has towards the situation where Leo have to strain frequently to the high notes. Because of course it's really a waste if his voice would be ruined just because of improper technique when he could do so much better than that.
Grace anonymous because literally he isn't good enough as a VOCALIST but as a SINGER, well for me, i like his voice a lot
Kyuhyun ofc
Sandeul is honestly one of the most talented vocalists in the industry
Deerly Luhan yes!
Sandeul, Naul, Jung Dong Ha, Park Hyo Shin and Kyuhyun are my favorite technical male singer in K-Pop 😊
Yes!
It's a shame so many sleep on his voice. The man's hella talented.
Peachy Jaemin one of the most talented and underrated :(
1. kyuhyun
2. hyoshin
3. sandeul
4. ryewook
5. chen
so, yes. Sandeul is one of the most talented, technique wise, vocalists in the industry (from the top 3, i also like his vocal color the most)
Sandeul!!
VOACALSSSS !
Naomi yes just yes
i already expected that sandeul will be included from the video just from the title
as expected.. his voice is so pleasant to listen to
❤❤
the more videos of this kind i see the more i can state SM = technique
Menyi P Music is a monster of a subject, so I recommend you to go search more about vocal technique. It's not only about having a powerful voice, which is the case of most K Idols from Sm. I'm not saying that all of them don't have it, but most of them really just have a very strong voice.
Rachel Kwan lol no, actually most of then have a proper technique wich makes them sound powerful.
Rachel Kwan lmao...kyuhyun and jonghyun have the best proper technique among kpop artist...jongdae and reywook have a good technique as well...and ofc don't forget Luna and Wendy and taeyeon
Rachel Kwan for example somin and jiwoo from kard have a powerful voices but their technique isn't good at all
I knew from the moment I first became a fan of DB5K that if SM can train them and all of them still have their voices to this day, that they are very good at teaching singers to maintain their voices. Taeyeon is also a perfect example. Thats one good thing SM does is train their talent well
that Kyuhyun B4 was amazing.
The song is called Masquerade and it was performed on Immortal Songs, if you'd like to see the whole perf! He really knocks it out of the park!
I really enjoyed that masquerade preformace. But im not a huge fan of his solo releases to date. Almost feel like sm is playing it safe? With the releases, a solo song such as masquerade would be amazing to be released as a single. Just my personal thoughts anyway.
AuntyStan its not playing safe, ballad is just his type of song. His dream was actually to be a ballad singer, but sm put him in suju instead. Sadly bc ifans think ballad is boring, they often ignore his talent because he doesnt do "high notes" or his songs are "easy" to sing. But when he do other genre like that mosquerade rock performance, he knocked every idols put of the park
Boba Mochi thank you for clearing that up, it explains alot
i mean, he is basically kpop idol groups best vocalist (not counting jung dongha)
That Naul clip knocked me off my bed
MrSkinnyJeanz3 Right??
MrSkinnyJeanz3
you guys like kpop? ok
I LOVE SANDEUL'S VOISE SO MUCH OMFG
the first three that showed up with the support are all from sm,, as expected!
ohmykpop
lol sm has the best vocals in the business in the top 5 kpop singers 4 vocalists are from sm 😂
When nayeon licks the pussy be like can u tell me which artists they are? :)
ohmykpop SM sucks
ZELINARMY lol you're an army so it doesn't count
Math Luver kyuhyun, ryeowook, chen and hwanhee(former sm idol). the another vocalist in the top 5 is sandeul.
I wasn't too surprised with Leo, don't get me wrong I'm a huge Starlight Leo being my bias, but there are times I think his high notes are really forced and it sounds gritty and almost painful. I was surprised about Ken though I definitely wouldn't have guessed that about him.
Sandeul is amazing
this why oldest group are more talented then new....woohyun and sandeul voices totally make me wanna sleep totally damn good
nurulain94
no thats why sm vocalists are the best either it be male or female
Time is a motive too ... I'm sorry, but I think in the older groups, in their early days some of them were not as good or "talented" as now (I mean the same singers do not style something " The new ones are better, no. "Come on, someone who's been singing a year would not compare to someone who's sung during ... idk, 10 years).
The newer groups do not have that much time (But it's true, some sing throughout their lives, I do not know how to justify those cases)
Please, do not underestimate the newer groups ... It's very sad for fans of these, like me :(
(I made this by translate of google, if you don't understand, I'm sorry but my english skills aren't really good).
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i agree time in the business doesnt make your vocals better.... how much training you have received is important.. this is why wendy just debuted and is better than taeyon which is 10 years in the industry
T s u k k ι s α u r ι o ه the newer groups are also coming out in a time when the industry is so much larger and more competitive. It seems like the older groups were more well crafted since the industry was smaller and less stressful. The newer groups are being pumped out to try to keep up with demand and competition. So not only have older groups had years to master things and the younger haven't had that much time, companies are getting greedier and caring less about what they're putting out there.
There are new groups with a pretty high potential though. Just give them time and they will impress you just like how Taemin impressed us all. Training can make a difference.
THANK YOU THANK YOUUUUUU like the difference is so clear, i mean people can like timbres and styles but the fact is that you NEED technique if you actually want to sing for at least 30 years and survive while doing it. Also this shows how every single vocalist can have good and bad moments. THANK YOU x100000
The Sandeul clip in the intro gives me so much life. I am so sad that you cut off his G4 though.
lol love how Chen and Woohyun were on both strained ans supported sides
wtf Well that is because their supporte range doesn't go that high
wtf
that means they are good but inconsistent
chen brings support up to A4...that's actually impressive
wtf
In this video, the only note Chen strained with/on(? 😂) is the B4 note during their rendition of Really I Don't Know on Immortal Songs 2.
Nayeons and jeongyeons dildo ..... no it doesnt mean they're inconsistent, they are both very consistent within their supported range, specially chen, but this range has an end and any note they singe outside their supported range is obviously going to be strained. Of course the bigger your supported range is the better, that is why i.e kyuhyun is a better vocalist than both of them, his supported range goes higher, but also hans an end. the ultimate vocalist is the one who can support every note of his vocal range but that is imposible.
Thank you for making this great video. I love Chen, Woohyun, Ken, Sandeul, Kyuhyun and obviously Park Hyoshin vocals the best. Lot of the above Kpop idol (support) had experience stain vocals in some performance in their career they have their good and bad days but some of the idol who was used as example for stain vocals are not bad vocalist for example K Will, Leo or Ken. So I hope people understand and don't get upset it's just a video to show the difference I hope people don't cause fan wars and say this idol is better than this idol or make a judgement because of these examples. I just want to point out I'm proud of Woohyun he improved so much from his rookie days, most of his performance shown in this video was back in 2011 a year after his debut he really did improve a lot through the years he have better support now and look at his recent and last year Immortal song performance it's really impressive and give me goosebumps (he scored highest for idol) his really a emotional and a very good singer also his vocals sounds a lot mature now or another example how Taemin was one of the weaker vocalist of Shinee in the earlier days and now he can belt high notes and one of the best vocalist in Shinee so what I'm trying to say same can be said for the rookie group hopefully some of the rookie Idol group listed here might have better support in the future they are new and always room for improvements and we shouldn't look down on them. I hope to see V, Minhyuk (Monsta X) Sunggyu, Yoseop and etc.
Gina Rosa sorry for bursting your bubble. But analysing them as a vocalist, based on vocal technique, K. Will is only above average vocalist which mean still pretty good tho. But Ken & Leo? Ken is only average vocalist, almost on the bottom area compared to the other averages, while Leo is deadass a weak vocalist, among the weakest even for idols that have main/lead vocals as their position.
even though i love taekwoon and taekwoons voice to pieces, i have to agree, his voice is an excellent example of vocal strain. i honestly don't think he was vocally trained properly and is well on his way to permanently damaging his vocal chords if he doesn't learn a different technique to hit the notes he's told to soon. im not a professional, so this is all my opinion but im sure some of you can agree. adding onto that, the amount of high notes he's required to hit are insane, especially considering how unproperly trained his vocals are and i wish jellyfish ent would take note of this soon, it's worrying me. i feel like i repeated a lot of my points and opinions but i think you get the general idea lol
Indeed. A lot of male singers are straining their voices trying to reach notes that are not in their normal range, and they do it repeatedly, too.
Elizabeth Chase i completly agree with you
Elizabeth Chase his voice has already been damaged :') shangri la shows it
None of VIXX have been trained properly. :( Their vocals are amazing but dammit Jelpi vocal chords aren't impenetrable you know ;_;
Sm has like the best vocal training. They have many good vocalists (above average) and even have the best dancers but people still label them as a face company.
itsnotErika coz sm idols r too pretty 😂 sometimes i feel like its a good thing but other times i just fee that people just dont understand them
18 18 yeah but some people label sm artists as just a face company and no talent. I hope they start realizing how sm is packed with talented artists
Tbh some of them really chosen by visual but I'm glad SM trained them well.
sandeul, eunkwang and kyuhyun are my top vocalists. their range, control and technique clearly suggests than aside.from being born with talent they also had yhe proper training 😍
Sandeul is really amazing
that guy Jung Dongha just slayed my existence.
btw, before, I used to think Leo was good as a vocalist, but lately I started to noticed he's actually not THAT good and this just confirmed it. I think he has a nice range (?), but he wasn't... appropiately trained? I don't know very well if it's the same with Ken.
Believe me, I love his voice. I like everything about it, even when he strains (but that man is going get something damaged if he keeps going like that). I didn't explain myself properly. I was meant to talk only about technique when I said 'a good vocalist'.
Leo is a great vocalist, however because of his bad technique, his voice is damaged; it is pretty noticeable. But his singing is great either way.
Leo is actually a pretty weak technical vocalist
Jun Ai Ken is a better vocalist, technique wise he's much better than Leo
Günay Muradova thank you, that's what I thought 😅
park hyo shin slayed my whole existence.
hi hello what is the song?
When u realise most of the supported demonstations are from SM artists, and people still say they're all about visuals!!! I stan the right company❤️👑
lee sandeul, vocal KING
additionally, kim jongdae vocal KING
Yayy!! I love both so much! VOCAL KINGS
And Cho Kyuhyun, vocal god
If sandeul is king, not sure what is kyuhyun
LAWR yesss
I'm not going to lie but Sandeul got me shook at the beginning.
Inseong does strain his voice sometimes but for the most part he's such an amazing vocalist and he can hit really good notes. He has great power and range
Kyra Dayson yes i agree
Kyra Dayson I agree. I Think it's the same with Jungkook from BTS.
Lachim Park I don’t agree jungkook just sounds nice
sm vocals are no joke😍
It makes me sad that some very talented vocalists have not had proper training. VIXX Leo for instance. he has a lot of natural ability and you can hear that in his performance, but he still strains. I would hope that another vocalist or a manager discusses it with him and helps him get a coach who can teach him to do it more properly. I would hate to see his voice damaged
I was waiting for that Kyuhyun's B4 :). Was waiting for D.O's Bb4s too, but i understand you couldn't fit all singers here. Nice vid
Chen's vocals
Ryeowook isn't given enough recognition. So sad he's been in this industry for so long and he's by far one of the best if not the best
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Taemin is the only known dancer in there that can support high notes. Thanks!
There is also luna from F(x)....Yes, she is a dancer.
Ah yes! Luna! She's a great dancer but too bad, she's not known for it. I meant, only us fans know that she's a great dancer.
TwistedTheorist dont forget kim junsu JYJ too ....
yunho from tvxq was killed the 'i believe' song on shilla fanmeet..
Badiatul Mardliyah junsu is the truly god of voice 👍👍
leo is really damaging his voice. :(
Steve they are improved a lot
his voice really improved after doing musicals so he's better now compared to the past
Sm is shitty in all other aspects but their vocal training is on point. Their vocalists are so well trained. Baekhyun’s and Chen’s notes are so clean and effortless. Bighit should seriously train their artists better. I love the boys. No denial of their talent. But they lack technique. For the sake of their health, i really wish Bighit would train them better. This isn’t comparison ,just an opinion. I’m an Army and I hope no one takes offence.
I am an Army and I take NO offense.
Dunno, NCT Taeyong and Mark write all their own stuff and they're rapping is really good, but imo I think they're the only ones. SM just needs to sort out their ethical management and then they'll be better haha.
You know there is more to bighit then just bts...
FakeSmilesandLaughs It wasn't really until Taeyong and Mark came around that SM gave liberty for artists to perform their own rap-based songs though. Prior to that, I don't remember SM giving that kind of freedom to any other rap-focused artists. I think SM is really strict when it comes to change and freedom for their artists, but I think they're opening it up a bit more than they used to, which is a good thing.
I do agree that I wish that BigHit would allow them to have proper vocal coaches because at this point they can't give the excuse that they don't have enough money...they can probably get the best vocal coaches around the world for each of them. I'm most worried for Jimin because they're trying to make him sing notes that are high, but not properly which can really damage his voice in the long run and BigHit I'm tryin to be a 60 year old ARMY still listening to them sing, you know what I mean? :>
Annefantasy2003 no!, leehyun is ranked as a proficient vocalist and surprisingly, hes technicaly better than all shinee vocalists, all btob vocalists, all tvxq vocalists, and all exo vocalists except for chen.
Bts should definitely learn from their sunbae so they can at least how to sing with proper dynamics and technique before its too late (especially for jimin).
Taemin used to be called a tone deaf singer and he lacked technique and he screamed most of the time during their debut times. I'm so happy he never gave up and worked really hard. Now he's a respected artist
It's weird if you exclude Naul, Jung Dong Ha and Park Hyo Shin because they're truly master of vocal in kpop, so I'm glad you did include them 😊
Let's fly B1A4. Sandeul is so good. Not just an idol but a real singer.
a dancer being good examples in vocalists compilation video :-))) it's shinee thing sweeheart ㅠㅠ so proud im gonna cry
Pentagon's main vocalists Hui and Jinho do most of the belting...I'd like to see them in this as they do some really high notes
I love listening to Kyuhyun. He makes hitting high notes look so effortless and his voice is so calm.
wow Taemin! sounds so good
Kyuhyun too killing it 👌
i'm pretty sure Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Dongha, and Hyoshin, chen would be here lol
the rest are not bad, it just their limit just still too low compared the good already one.
Rizki Pawitra and Sandeul too as well, don't forget!
He's good but pretty underrate so sometimes i think he'll get low credit that's why sometimes when something like this coming i'm not really sure he'll added, that's so f-ing sad. While Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Chen and Hyosin are already like "you know them? Wow they're the best" thing-y. even Dongha compared to Hyoshin, Hyosin i think sometimes get more credit.
I've always thought that if BTS' vocal line got a better vocal training they would be amazing singers.
And please, don't get me wrong, I love BTS, but yeah, I think they need better training, which should be done now that they have all the means to.
The thing is that, I always seeing commen that they actually didnt improved at all since debut days. By some people that I can guarantee they know what theyre saying. And thats upsetting to me bcos BH just doesnt fix that.
and it's so sad - I feel so bad for them that big hit pushes them to sing in a destructive manner. At this rate, their voices would not last and they will end up with permanent damage.
keep in mind though that at this point, it's hard for them to re-learn and employ better technique. They've been singing like this for so long now that it's become a habit that's difficult to reverse. And as mentioned big hit doesn't fucking care so I'm not getting my hopes up :(
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Actually rn i think they are getting vocal lessons jimin improved a fucking lot(he sounds way better better live now but still dosent support much) Jungkook is less breathy V is i dont know sounds really good way better actually for Jin i think hes good but he should change his technique he is forcing his voice too much
KYUHYUN IS SO PERFECT, SM VOCALIST SLAYS AS ALWAYS!
thank you so much for this insightful video. we want our idols to take care of their proper vocal technique so that they dont end up in permanent vocal damage.
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who likes Park Hyoshin.
The colour of the heart is black nope lol his voice is pure butter
Hongbin really likes Park Hyoshin too, so don't feel alone lol
No you're not
He killed me every time he appeared in this video
wonsikbrah i was just about to say that lol
Knowing nothing about vocal techniques or the "science" behind singing, I found this video very interesting. I had heard the terms "strain" and "support" before, but never fully understood what they meant in relation to singing, so thanks to EXIDek! And I feel like I'll (kinda) be able to tell the difference the next time I hear one of my faves ^^ I would like to note that I personally like the sound of a strained voice as much as a supported voice - they each have their own charms to me. However, if it puts the vocalist's voice at risk, I'd rather they stick with a supported voice more often then not :/
*jungkook does well, the comment section gets filled with armys*
*jungkook sings with strain, the comment section has no army comments*
sooyoung chois this is so goddamn true😂😂👏👏👏
don't drag us pls 😂 we know big hit doesn't have 100% vocal training so we're chillin
loml sanghyuk that applies to all artists tf are u saying?
True lmao
My bois Sandeul and Chen are SLAYING
I stan VOCAL KINGS
Chen's voice on point tho
I'm so fucking proud of Taemin i'm in tears gosh
Wow Taemin really impressed me like I don't follow shinee now but I did when they just debuted and i thought he was just going to stay as a main dancer with not many singing lines but it really surprised me seeing him after all these years releasing solo albums and being a lead vocal inside shinee like wow
after watching sister slam dunk 2 i think i know who to thank for exo knowing how to support
MR.Twizzling Pumpkin mr serious ;) jang jinyoung
MR.Twizzling Pumpkin Chen strains a lot though which worries me very much
Mirae Moon not as many & heavy as other idols tho.
Chen usually strains when he doesn't feel well tho
He supports until A4 (an example is included in this video)
Anyway I wouldn't use his cover of Tears as an example, though, because that was a one time thing (I hope at least), just to show how high he could reach, not how good of a vocalist he is XD (even though people sometimes misunderstand those 2 things)
Sadly he is required to sing higher than his comfortable range because that's what kpop is about a lot of times, high notes...I hope he can preserve his voice for a long time!
These videos honestly taught me to appreciate sm singers a lot more
all the sm vocalists tho