Do you really need this? Harley Benton FRFR Speaker Review
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- What does FRFR even mean? Doe we really need these "special speakers" or can we just use a normal PA Monitor speaker? What makes the Harley Benton FRFR speaker specialerererer than others?
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and his sweaters!
Yes, ducks on a grown man’s sweater means confidence in his own manhood. I think.
You are funny and genuinely fun to watch, Henning. No one quite does what you do. Thank you
Your honesty helps us, fellow musician, to choose gear. Thank you Henning, you ROCK !
This is Henning at his best. A proper review and really informative. Thanks mate.
I bought this about 3 years ago, use it together with a Headrush Pedalboard. Absolute love this thing!!
IDK what he was reviewing. I can't stop being jealous of his shirt. He has the best shirts!
I’m also using the LD icoa as a stage monitor, it sounds great! The response onstage is excellent!👍
Sounds too "boxy" to me, but worth the price. Thanks for the great review and waiting for the HB G212A-FR Active Cabinet or/and Laney LFR-112 FRFR Active Cab review. Hmm..., some comparison maybe?
I once plugged in my MacBook running Line6 TonePort into... a Bose L1 column unit. OMG. The sound was a) amazing, b) evenly spread no matter where I was standing - close/far - nothing changed, c) even at ANY volume. So to me it was the greatest speaker for a guitar player - you hear yourself, others hear you, and you sound amazing.
Yes, but those units are $1,000.00.
You could use it with a preamp pedal like a victory v4 pedal, for example you add the speaker simulation.
I use my amp often with its headphone out that has a good cab sim into a pa speaker and I love the way out sounds. Sure the real cab sounds better but getting volume control and running out into a mixer first so I can add effects studio style is pretty freaking great
As always, great review! I may be in the market in the coming months.
It must be a good unit, it gets its own chair.....
The Powercab Plus is expensive.But there are no reviews saying it is unworthy of a review ! Henning you tease ! We love you !
Had it here... sent it back... makes no sense to review it.
Not bad. I have been looking at different cabs for a monitor speaker solution that doesn't take up a ton of space. I switch between bass, guitar, and keys so have been trying to decide between PA or keyboard speakers.
If you could do a shootout between the headrush and the Harley Benton, maybe a Laney frfr to round it out. I really want to try one of these frfr cabs haven’t found one at any of the local stores. I guess with these you really need to hear it for yourself. Thanks sgain for the great reviews!
I'm really impressed by the binaural mics experience :O
Good review, love that your dogs just sleeps while your playing :)
I was wondering, have his dog ears lost their excellence due to loud rock guitar like the rest of us?
I really liked the sound and look of Harley Benton p90 guitar!
Sounds good man. Happy Monday to You.
great video. educational as always.
Hey Hening, great review as usually! Would this work for bass too? m trying to simplify my home setup looking for common solution for bass and guitar.
I have one, and use it with my Helix LT and my Line6 HXFX. It is great. Highly recommend it. Makes my stuff sound terrific. Want to get another one.
If you don't want it, hey I'll take it and love it and use it to death.
Never noticed the blue light before lol.
does it realy sound good? did you had to adjust the EQ? I got the box a few days ago and im not impressed. t.b.h.
I just plugged in my Hotone Ampero to my audio interface via XLR cables and that runs into two Yamaha monitor speakers. Works like a charm, but that speaker does look tempting
I use a jbl powered wedge that bought used for 100 u.s. works great. It's lightweight too and easy to carry 🙂
What's it called?
I have been played on a set of full range floor monitors there are powers 4 years just plugging my pedalboard into show My Guitar Rig is stereo what's so fantastic and knew about that. People for years asked me why my Guitar Rig sound so good they were always looking for the car cabinets to sit in the back with an amp head. Seems like a johnny-come-lately thing to me I love playing guitar that way for at least 10-12 years
You need to roll-off the bass that's where that muddy mess is coming from not The Moldy it back
Thank you for confirming these are just basically pa speakers!
Ducks!!! I just use my studio monitors at home and the PA speakers in my jam space, so I don't really need one, but seems like a nice affordable option for other modeler users.
Thanks for the video comparison. I know have a better understanding about these.
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Great review! I would suggest you to try out the Laney LFR-112 cab and the Redsound MF10 (FRFR cab made in italy) ;)
Hey thx for your cool vids! I was looking but couldn't find, do u have any other vids with FRFR speaker monitors?? Thanks
FRFR's focus on extended highs and articulation, not just increasing volume. Their primary purpose is to help the artist "monitor" their performance. You would not mic a FRFR but rather just hand an out cable to the sound person.
Thanks for another great demo!
For this plus a Mooer/HB simulator pedal, I'd get a totally gigable system for under $400. That can also be used at quiet practice volumes.
But I could get by with a Mooer Blacknight (ENGL Blackmore) pedal plus this, for just about $300. That has an IR built in that could be usable.
I hope Noodle enjoyed the demo too. His hair looked a little bit more curly towards the end.
I have this HB FRFR-112a as a monitor or for rehearsals on my Headrush. If i want it loud and in stereo i got a pair of Laneys LFR-212 running via a mixer.
But for both units: Leave the cabsim off, all EQ on noon and tweak the tone in your modeler, so you can be sure to have the same sound via a PA/FOH or any other FRFR.
how do you then get your sound out on the main PA? do you just go directly from LINE OUT of your FRFR to a mix pult or you go out from your XLR OUT from your Headrush pedalboard? Thank you very much for the help and info.
@@sanjinbanic7209 "in stereo i got a pair of Laneys LFR-212 running via a mixer." Just use the XLR line outputs on the mixer for the PA and the XLR monitor out for the FRFRs.
How well would this handle playing bass? Would you hear yourself properly using it as a stage monitor?
Obviously won't really project the really low frequencies but that's more likely handled by the in-house.
Cool vídeo....Please make a video with de Harley Benton G212A guitar cabinet
Great price for what it is. Great overview buddy thanks.
Sending love your way!
Having a cab sim is nice when you use an 11 rack which you can't upload third party IRs.
Hi Henning! Any idea if they have plans to do a more compact version of this? Like to rival the Headrush 108, for example. I've got the big Headrush, but I leave it in the practice room, and I need something for home use as well.
Is there a latency when playing through Helix?
There is information that the DSP in HB adds micro-latency.
That sounds damn good.
The speaker emulation on this, and on the power cab fr that matter, is not simulating a mic'ed cab, like a loaded IR would on your modeller, just the speaker. It does sound different and makes it feel more like your amp model was in the room with you, great for stage volume when going DI to FOH.
How it handles bass guitar with multieffekt (like NUX mg-30)? Does it have sort of low end punch like bass combos?
Basically Henning is saying this is just a PA speaker with some ir's. Think you just convinced most people of that. I thought it sounded super trebly.
it does. got the same unit 2 days ago. still working on finding the best settings.
Der Quietscheentchen Pulli Junge Junge... 😂. Der hat mich fast mehr fasziniert.
Hat sich nich so übel angehört
i need this frfr fr
First thank you for your videos. I purchased my first HB product based on your videos. The TE-90FLT and I love it. I have a Ampero Hotone and have been looking at FRFR. Do you have any thoughts on the LANEY? My local dealer has one on sale?
I am sure they are all very similar
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Can you get amp like feedback from FRFR speakers with modellers on a high gain patch?
That POO1 sounded good....lol
Could you put the binaural mic closer next time? Like mirrored from where you are sitting, on the side but close
I'm getting one for live use with the Fractal Audio FM3.
Then the house can't screw your sound up.
I'm still trying to decide between this and the cab version.
So for that type of pa cab its very cheep. I DONT know how it compares to the mackie or any of the other molded speakers
How does it sound vs comp set? Headrush etc
Love the videos and appreciate the time put into them. The sound of that monitor to my ears did not sound good at all. I will go nowhere near this. But I could see how this product for the price would solve some peoples needs. If you’re just looking for something to amplify your modeler you’re better off with some studio monitors in my opinion.
which brand?
@@javiercisternasnajle I recently got some Kali LP-6’s. Highly recommended.
Looks a lot like it was build on the EV ZLX 12 platform
Joyo American into this could be a good use of the IR's in this, then you got Fender style tones for not much
hmmm if it's capable of handling 1200 watts it would a benefit to carrying 2 4x12 cabs
I mean i don't understand. Rhett Shull is using powercab, ToneJunkie Tv says powercab is a great option and i was just about to buy it. Why you didn't enjoy it?
hi!
has anyone ever tested this with bass? does it work as well or are the frequencies only made for guitar?
There is a difference; a guitar FRFR speaker uses a corrective EQ curve to get around the inherent design of "lower cost" speakers. Active monitors, like those from D&B, are truly FRFR due to the amp, speaker and cabinet design and as such do not use a correct EQ curve.
The main difference is that a regular PA speaker is only FR (full range), but still has some coloration in the frequency spectrum (to "enhance" music experience). A FRFR speaker has a flat response (no coloration in the frequency spectrum), so amp modeling and IR/cab simulation will sound authentic as intended. Of course, it will never have the same projection that a true guitar cab has.
With the caveat that "flat response" is really difficult to achieve, and even super high end, supposedly flat response monitor speakers that can cost well over a 1000€ for a pair have some peaks and troughs in their response curves.
@@jubuttib True, but these little nuances are nothing compared to PA speakers in terms of coloration (the overall spectrum is still relatively flat). You will still hear and feel your amp modeller’s cab simulation as intended (won’t sound wrong, or muffled). That said, using PA speakers wouldn’t be as bad as using a guitar cab with a modeller that has the cab simulation enabled (full coloration through full coloration = way too much coloration = completely muffled).
Hey how about a solid state amps that looks and feems more decent rhan a frfr? Im bored to death with the tilted look
Those pupsters can sleep through anything, can't they :D
@7:29 Thumbs up just for the doggos.
This would be great with my Tech21 Flyrig 5V2
I don’t think so, the Tech 21 FlyRigs are horrible
@@EytschPi42 Maybe for metal.
Is it just me or does it sound like there's way too much sub bass for a regular guitar tone?
How would you go if you wanted stereo with 2x FRFRs like this one? Asking for a friend...
@@robjobse8860 yes, that's the simplest way of doing it using a modeller with stereo outputs. I guess you can also connect a stereo output delay/reverb/modulation standalone pedal?
Behringer B212D (PA) vs THIS (FRFR) It makes a big difference to using with my Line6 Helix multi effects?
No
Cool demo! I've just searched through your channel. You didn't review/demo the DNAfx. Will that come in the future or do you dislike it and therefore won't cover it? I was thinking about buying one for my daughter (and subsequently for myself because she won't use it all the time ;) )for Christmas. What was interesting to me about this product is the fact that it can be loaded with 3rd party IRs. Since subpar cab sims are usually the main culprit when it comes to bad sounding amp simulation, I thought the HB DNAfx might have some potential. What do you think?
it is essentially the Mooer GE150 for only 16 bucks less with a worse interface... get her the Mooer, it looks cooler too!
@@EytschPi42 Oh, I see! I didn't even know about that one. Never heard of Mooer. The design looks better, too. The expression pedal isn't as close to the control knobs compared to the HB pedal, which is a plus. Thanks, Henning!
It's also the same as the flamma fx100
One of the differences between a PA speaker and FRFR designed for guitar modelers is that the speakers on a PA are designed to throw the sound at a much wider angle where as an FRFR speak is designed to throw the sound in a similar way to a speaker used in a guitar amplifier. If you look at most PA speakers the angle of cone is much shallower, whereas a guitar speaker is much deeper.
DUDE....thank you for saying this and giving me some understanding as to what my ears are hearing... a difference. FRFR doesnt sound like PA speakers yet the comparison goes on so often without such statements as this... different speakers work for different things....keeps ringing truer and truer. I like that frfr is more gutar amp like in the sound throw.
Good explanation. Have not heard anyone mention this difference
The Laney frfr 112 is 320ish and in a proper cab
I haven't used a headrush or other pa type speaker but can't imagine they sound as good as my Laney.
could i use both? a laney and a headrush? i have one headrush
@@arnyarny77 I don't see why not but they might sound different, I would probably stick with a headrush and get two of them if I wanted a stereo rig and started with them but like I said I've only heard headrush on here and seen the many positive reviews. I bought the Laney mainly for the look but was blown away by how good it is.
I have a pair of Laney LFR-212 and the HB FRFR-112a as a monitor and for rehearsals. At decent volume they sound identical. But the Laneys keep the sound at higher volume where the HB starts to get muddy. For rehersals or as a monitor it's still sufficient(, at last for me).
Haha, starring Noodles in reverse! In the end of course.
Thru the panel? Max solo would take it apart and literally go thru it. Im sure it sou... Noooooodle !!!🤗 nds better than the amazon basic Bluetooth speaker I’m listening on but that’s a good price for a powered pa speaker of similar quality but this has IRs so you can just bring a small pedal board ( like I ever bring a Small board ), if it ain’t gotta shelf it can’t hold enelf an elf ... Enuff Z’nuff enough?? Words are Hard😫
Theoretisch könnte ich also auch mit meinem Röhrenamp in eine Loadbox gehen, einen IR-Loader dahinterpacken und dann auf die FRFR gehen, richtig?
Jap
Could it be used as a normal PA for singing with microphone?
yes
Thanks
I'm waiting to see if harley benton clones a bose l1 system
If this is powered, can you go: guitar - pedalboard (eg boss pedals, not a modeller) - this speaker? Do you still need a guitar amp?
You need a modeler or similar
I do not have this particular speaker, but I do have an Alesis Srtike amp for an e-drum kit and I tried running my analog pedalboard through it using a DI with a cab sim. Not sure how it would perform in live setting but sounded pretty good at home.
i have been using this trick with zoom pedals from the 90s to this day just to fuck with people
Mooer GE300?
How much is shipping to deliver in the United States.
probably too much… also check if it is switchable to 110V
Not so impressed with the sound of the FRFR.But those sneakers are the Bomb. Got to get a pair. What brand are thet??
adidas
@@EytschPi42 thx. Got a pair. Mine were not addidas. I got Harley Benton sneakers only 40 euro!! Lol.
I wish
This is a rebadged the.box DSP 112, which looks a lot like the Behringer DR112DSP which is cheaper.
Yeah, I was not really impressed with it. I think I would rather save up a bit more and get a regular cabinet. Hell maybe its just you tube not delivering.
If i understood right this is loud enough to provide me sound in practice space with angsty metal drummer?
Yes
Ok. Good to know hopefully our drummer will newer see this.
Is Fr Fr speaker also good for Bass Guitar?
Yes
The difference here is if I go buy a pa speaker Local, I wont have to buy a stupid transformer to use it here in US.
It's not a P.A.speaker as the speakers are specifically engineered for guitars , they're only, like P.A. speakers in that they are full range flat response, ie. unlike a guitar cab speaker they don't add tonal changes when they are turned up just like a PA. speaker or home stereo speaker doesn't, I have a Headrush FRFR , brilliant, with my Positive Grid Bias Processor head.
so how are they different from a PA speaker?
@@EytschPi42 Hi Henning,according to Headrush the speakers are specifically engineered for guitars, thier words, so assume all other FRFR guitar cabs are as, not voiced for vocals or drums ect.
@@stevehawthorn8733 i call BS. FRFR is a marketing term to sell PA speakers to Guitarists. Just for fun, take a close look at this Harley Benton speaker, then look for the Behringer DR112DSP
@@gilbycoyote probably the same chassis but with different speakers, A B comparison presumably would tell.
No sorry PA speakers are full range full response they are designed to do the same job as the Headrush or Harley Benton shown here. Some speakers are of course better than others or have higher or lower efficiency and there will be differences in the quality of the power amp too. The only guitar engineering going on here though is in terms of marketing.
Nah.. Maybe i givit a try🤔
IS there any benefit for usung a FRFR at home. My signal chain is AX8 or Amp+Ox Box into Focusrite 6i6 into 2 Yamaha HS7
It is! The speaker is pushing a lot more air, which feels a lot more like a real amp.
No, dude. No real benefit. Your set up is the better home set up. This would be good for someone wanting a touring/band rehearsal solution with their AX8. It’s what a modeller user would use instead of a cab, for live monitoring.
Henning, wie machst du das mit dem Hund?? ist der taub????? mein 16jahre Jackrussel ist so angstlich von den lauten ton, dass sie schon flüchtet wenn ich nur meine gitarrenKABEL hervorhole
die hatten da nie probleme mit
I like the ducky T-Shirt better.
Forget the cabinet, where do I get that duck shirt
link is under the video
You don’t sell your crazy shirts?
the box can be used in stereo mode since it has 2 inputs. Who tried this?
that doesn’t make it stereo
Holy shit!!!! Ok, everyone, this is going to be a PSA. This speaker is a Behringer 12" powered PA speaker. Specifically the Behringer DR112DSP. Link: www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=P0E2Z
The Headrush FRFR is nothing more than a rebranded Alto TS212. What is interesting is that the Headrush, which is a rebranded product sells for about $50-100 more than the Alto TS212. They are IDENTICAL. This Harley Benton FRFR is slightly different than the Behringer DR112DSP, but that could be due to the model year? The box, amplifier, and whatnot are the same though. The only difference is in the input layout. At least they tried.
FRFR simply means Full Range Frequency Response. That's it. It is nothing more than a PA speaker. There is 100% absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between an FRFR model and a PA speaker other than its marketing and the box it is in.
The Harley Benton is this, m.thomann.de/se/the_box_pro_dsp_112.htm?o=0&search=1579850060
But with Guitar Cab simulations instead of DJ EQ sets, so it can the be marketed as a Guitar Modeller Speaker to guitarists.
These are both the same price.
60 quid cheaper than the comparable 112 headrush speaker.
Having a PA speaker in combination with a Guitar speaker isn't a bad thing at all. It is a great thing.
Both the singer and the guitarist can use this, plus you can put backing tracks into it with its line in.
Do the whole little gig with just this thing.
I think I am right in saying you cannot really mic a frfr speaker for review, that is pushing out Guitar Amp, Cab, IR and Mic simulations as it would be doubling it up through the mic you are using to record it, and not giving a true representation and discolouring and destroying what was intended.
You will never find the sweet spot with the right mic to record it properly. This is why you would normally go straight into a audio interface with a modelling rig.
You have to be in the room with the speaker to hear it at it's best.
That is the dilemma when doing these reviews.
So you just have to take his word for it and his word is pretty damned good, so when he says it sounds really great, it really does.
Just not in this video.
I totally agree, its hard to capture the room and when you do it usually sounds like crap. That's why pro's spend so much time and money on room treatments. However I have never heard good results, with those binaural mic setups, except maybe those on the zoom recorder's.
Nice review Henning. This and the Headrush #FRFR make no sense at all. How am I supposed to get a stereo sound from my stereo cab simmed pedalboard to FOH ? The FRFR has 2 inputs (left and right I presume), and one output. The #Headrush #MX5 has no monitor out. I would need a separate monitor to hear a mix of my vocals and the rest of the band ? A 3rd input is clearly needed for a monitor mix. And even then there is no stereo feed from the FRFR to FOH but if there was it would then include the vocal mix. This is not for gigging and not well thought out at all. Just send your stereo (cab summed) board output direct to the sound desk and send a summed pre-fader mono feed from the desk to your stage monitor of your preferred #entiremix, not just the guitar, #makesmoresense.
You can buy a $69 4-channel mixer and run your vocals, guitar, and FOH mix into your one monitor (from the mixer output) and you'd be good to go.
Why would you want a Cab simulator you ask?…..I’ve just found a reason!…..I want to gig with my Spark40 so I thought FRFR maybe the way to go! The Spark40 doesn’t model guitar cabs only effects pedals so this Harley Benton FRFR might suit this purpose! 🤔