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Magneto is a character that evolves to represent every single voice that was brave enough to be heard, a voice that is born as a response to pain, suffering and oppression.
Magneto is a good man with good intentions who let them lead him to hell. Then through will power and the help of good friends he pulls himself out and tries to be better.
I unironically love First Class for this cold banger of a line. You know, as soon as Charles says it that it wasn't going to end well. People have been arguing for decades if he's a hero or a true villain. But he is the perfect anti-villain. Imo he has better motivation and is more sympathetic in his plight than the MCU's Thanos or even BP's Killmonger. While Killmonger grew up a victim and has never allowed himself to be one since, Erik tries; he genuinely loves Charles and wants to live in the world that his bestfriend invisions and actively tries to forge from the chaos and hate of the world. But it is when he lets his guard down that Magneto is always betrayed not by Charles himself but the humans he protects. The ironic thing about "never again" line is Magneto is one of the only villains to repeatedly open up, only for the world to seemingly prove him righteous and justified in becoming the same kind of monster he cowered from in Germany.
I love how you stated that what he SAYS is right, but what he DOES is wrong. That's something good writers are able to highlight in both Magneto and Xavier. Magneto is a man who has seen humanity repeat the same cycle of cruelty over and over and over again, and became so focused on that to the point he couldn't see anything else. And sadly in that he often does more harm than good. I know people say it's dumb to keep finding ways to de-age him to keep him tied to his origins, but having that be his origin is part of what makes him so powerful...and imo when handled well, the longer he's alive the more he'll see this cycle repeat and in a way it can be used to further his character and the explorations of his anger. The fact he keeps being proven correct is in part why he keeps going. And personally if they can continue on this general trajectory of improvement for him, it works all the better and I would love it all the more.
I think there's a much simpler way to describe Magneto: a man without hope. Magneto has given up. He's decided that the best case scenario, peaceful coexistence, is so unattainable that it's not worth fighting for and instead lives by the same us vs them mentality that makes that dream impossible to begin with. He's taking the easy way out and, in doing so, becomes as much a part of the problem as the humans because a dream like that can't be achieved unless both sides believe in it.
Honestly the title seems more fitting to Apocalypse and Doctor Doom. I been respecting Magneto more lately because of how great of a character he is, what he represents and what he wants to prevent. He can go from a sympathic character to a extremist, but you will understand his motives. He even wanted to stop the Marvel Zombies from spreading to other universes and he sacfriced himself to do it.
I mean in different ways it fits all three of them perfectly. They all strive for the same thing, but for such drastically different reasons that it lets each of them stand in their own space.
He wants mutants to rule and forget humans, he only tried Charles way because of Charles's death. And magneto failed he went right back to his old ways of wanting humans destroyed and mutants to rule big fail on magneto's part. And it was a mutant who started the war in genosha
@@quintbakerjr2786 He failed to cause hundreds of mutants died because he tried the "right way" just because a mutant starts it and that give them the right to genocide them, Would you say that about any other minority group?
This is why I believe Magneto is the greatest Superman villain that Superman will never fight. His capacity for posing an ideological challenge against Superman like no one else has the potential to make for one of the greatest superhero stories you could tell.
@@thegunslinger1363As a black guy I dislike this monopoly Jewish people seem to believe they have on human suffering. It's annoying. So what if he suffered through the holocaust? he can still grow to have terrible supremacist thoughts and views regardless of his past. And no being subjected to horrors doesn't automatically make you enlightened, wise or mature.
"He who fights with monsters might take care, lest he thereby become a monster, and when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I love this video, and you highlight for me something that I have been grappling with all my life; monsters and gods are by definition, inhuman. Their worth is exclusively determined by the benevolent (or malevolent) nature of their interaction with humans. A human has intrinsic value and can always be redeemed or make more mistakes as long as they live. So of course as long as Magneto imagines himself to be either god or monster, of course he cannot acknowledge his faults or accept forgiveness for them, because that is something that only humans can do.
To add to this idea, another flaw in magneto is that he genuinely believes mutants are without faults/are entirely morally pure. If magneto gets his way and all humans are gone, he honestly believes everything will be total peace/kubaiya. But mutants are human, they have the potential for selfishness, greed, want for power and can have the same selfish/destructive acts with or without “humans” (same shit different color). Even with aliens species far advanced then earth they have the same conflicts & wars as anyone on earth but magneto can’t see that beyond his moral superiority mutants mentally are no different than any person yet he pretends they are
Wow,man....Magneto has always been one of my favorite characters in comics,and your impassioned reflection on where he's been as a character and how it's resulted in the person he currently has moved me. I'm glad that you're into comics,because you are REALLY good at that. It will surely bring many people into this woefully under appreciated medium.
I have always had so much empathy for magneto because I understand why the why he is. Anyone who has seen the worst of humanity multiple times would go mad with rage. Especially with x men 97 because he genuinely tried, he tried so hard to see Charles vision and he almost did. But then genosha was destroyed and so many innocent people were taken from this world for the simple crime of being born a certain way. Then Charles returns and the same conversation that they have talked about for so long happens. Then Eric finally tells him to shut up. Magneto is so tired of the same speech that Charles keeps repeating like a broken record. He tried Charles way and it didn't work yet the professor is still preaching the same bs. I believe that if anyone lived Erics life they would be just like him.
There's a reason why Magneto is the best sympathetic villain of all time. He is right that humanity despises mutants and wishes to support mutants no matter what. Fight force than Xavier's methods of peace, believing Xavier's methods will only do so much to help. But he is wrong. For Magneto's emotional trauma and hypocripsy make him unable to bring mutants peace. For violence makes him too suscpetible and slowly becomes a suppressor. I like how X men 97 acknowledges yet also argues that while Xavier's methods are too complacent against stubborn humans, it still argues Magneto cannot help society if he returns to being the worst of himself. Charles did want his dream to work yet his pacifism and tolerance can only do so much. And while Magento tries to justify his methods, he ultimately cannot save mutantkind due to his emotional damage and trauma for self hatred and vengeance against humans. In the end Magneto is one of my favorite sympathetic villains, because his motivations extends to everyone. He truly is the definition of the road to hell paves good intentions.
the "magneto is right" crowd often fail to see that magneto has never been up for coexistence at heart, he never believed it possible because he sees mutantkind and humankind as two sides who will forever struggle for control (hence why his only two options are an ethnostate or straight up human genocide, coexistence was never an option for him), it doesn't matter if humanity stopped harrassing mutants anymore. He is a mutant supremacist, he believes the place of mutants is above humans, and humans belong at the heels of mutants. He is not a revolutionary fighting for equal rights through any means necessary, he is an holocaust survivor that became mutant Hitler who would happily slaughter human children if it proved useful to him. A tragic character.
The problem is he could have left with most mutants with Asteroid M yet the X-Men stopped him he was gonna peaceout. Then UNIRONICALLY they just that by having all large amount of just go into a pocket dimension leaving the "main cast" on earth. Like X-Men is so stupid now. Since humans are honestly justifed being angry due to how much BS happens because the superpowered fight around them.
@@ExeErdnarespectfully. Humans developed bombs that they dropped on other humans that irradiated the biosphere, rendering it uninhabitable. Enslaved Men that look exactly like them, and done worse to those that look or believe differently than them. The avengers fighting the x-men may or may not level a city block that’s covered by insurance. Humanity is the greatest of destroyers. By a long shot.
@@1amthegreatest1 You are comparing their world with our own. They're much more advanced and have access to magic. Aliens are borderline common place. Mars has been terraformed. You're still thinking humans focusing on mutants only MAKES sense? You really only want to read recycled slop
My respect for Storm who was once a foe to Magneto to : Saving him from the mutant nullifier, To being a super team on Arakko and her electricity keeping him alive with his fight with Uranos, To showing Xavier his place when he tried to access her memories of Magento after his death, To bringing him back from the dead. Storm never compromises, if Magento won her heart, yet them being not that good friends, I'd place him as a greater friend to Magento than Charles ever was! These two are actually examples of how even us humans can evolve from our pasts.
This is the Sage's Rain I've always wanted. I think Sokka is the first video of you're I've watched, but but I've loved them all. But this?? *chefs kiss*
So glad you brought up X-Men Red and Resurrection of Magneto; the reveal that there are *two* lists of names is one of the most beautiful moments in all of fiction, for me, honestly.
I can’t hate Magneto. I understand why he feels the way he feels. As a Holocaust survivor, he and his people treated like trash and were being whipped out because in the German’s eyes, Jewish people weren’t born the “right way”. It is no different from how mutants are being treated. Humans are demonizing mutants because they sees them as people who aren’t born once again, “the right way”. It is extermination of people who had to decision in being born the way they are.
Goddamn. Sage videos, f***in, rip. So immensely hard. I’ve been slowly getting back into Marvel comics and this format is so gratifying. Both for catching up on all the years I’ve missed to a degree, but more importantly, being delivered a concise, emotional and earnest vehicle for the themes and messages Magneto represents. Your voice feels like the audio equivalent of a fine velvet. Looking forward to the next vid, and I hope you’re doing well.
Mr. Sinister = Villain: Doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Bad intentions/Bad actions. Magneto = Anti-Villain: Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Good intentions/Bad actions. Anti-Hero: Doing the right thing for the right reasons using bad methods. Hero: Doing the right thing for the right reasons using good methods.
I don't believe anyone chooses to become a monster, but really, life can be so cruel to people who just want a life for themselves. Magneto is not a true monster, but not a true hero either, more like a villain/anti-hero. The Master of Magnetism had more than one dirty card thrown at him, but he's a survivor, as many Jews are. I haven't thought of it before, but if I had so much power and so much guilt like he does, I'd lose it. It's a wonder Magneto doesn't completely lose himself or lose sight of what he's fighting for. I don't really agree with Magnus, but it is true how susceptible humans are to hate and violence, and every one of us has to fight that part of our minds every day as well as physical threats.
Hey sage I didn’t watch this video yet but just wanna let you know that you make great content Amd taught me things that wouldn’t cross my mind so thank you
In reality those who speak out aren’t held as heroes, they are killed and have their stories changed after their death then given a movie. Magneto doesn’t want that ending
I only thought that only back in the Lee/Kirby era were he was kinda a moustache twirling villain and it was long before he was revealed to be a holocaust survivor.
In the current world’s social climate, I see his points, and I agree with many. Though, I wouldn’t wish my suffering on the ones causing my loved ones pain.. eye for an eye ends only in a blind world.
This was a VERY well-done and researched video! It’s clear that you have a love for the character . I love him too, but I do think that it’s that he stayed dead in the comics . X-Men #3 or X-Men #25 (When Charles shut his mind down .) were really good ending points for him . His arc should really have ended there . There really isn’t much else that can be done with him in the comics at this point .
I need to turn Magneto into my next major campaign villain, that hurt yet just core moral goal is perfect if my party chooses to fight against it, otherwise they could join him or try to compromise or even save him
I wouldn't really say that Magento is a monster with a god complex he's not Lex Luthor or Doctor Doom unlike these characters Magento actually cares about his lackies and even the X-men. What makes Magento such great character is that he's a sympathetic villain/anti hero who you don't necessarily agree with but understand. And that's why he's my favorite Marvel villain.
He literally calls his race Homo SUPERIOR. Just because he has sympathetic motives doesn't make him any less of a monster that has legimately attempted genocide on humanity multiple times in comics.
Great video, and it’s a hard watch causes one of my top three characters of all time. I don’t mind critical lenses when examining magneto because he is a man with flaws, but rarely is the world around him held to the same standard, he’s lived through two genocides and has seen humans put their humanity aside and become monsters, and monsters are rarely changed by the high moral ground of the noble man.
When you have nothing left to lose, and giving up isn't an option, two things happen to you. The first is you give up everything you used to be, just for a chance to escape the cycle. The second is that you throw yourself headlong into what you believe in. There is no inherent good or bad in the person you leave as, or even if you leave at all. Adversity will consume you if it gets too close
I was a little worried when I started the video, but you slammed a home run. You nailed every nuance, every point, every bit that makes Magneto, Magneto. Thank you for showing him the respect he deserves, instead of the bashing or misconceptions/misunderstanding that he usually gets. It is so easy for people to just pigeon hole him as a straight up villian, and that is not him. Yes, he has had his moments. But as you showed here, there is so much more to the character and he deserves to be seen as such. I truly hope the new run of the X-Men continues Ewing's work on Magneto and doesn't ignore it. The Resurrection of Magneto was beautifully done and the rest of The Fall of X kept in line with it. The character deserves that much, at least.
SPOILER (do mot read if you haven't finished xmen 97. What always makes me chose magnis over charles is that in the fight with Sebastian charles tells magneto that for all his talk of ruling the world it is the world that ruls him, but its not the world magnis can control the world it is humans that (lets be honest) are far weaker than him. But what males me side between the lesser of two evils is that charles is an altruist he is naive and untouched with the true state and affairs of humans while magneto is in my opinion a utalitarian he doesn't care about the decorative approach but only that it warrants favourable results. Charles tried to kill him by shutting him down mentally he would've killed him if cyclops didn't step in then he probed into his mind and changed his memories charles said he was just a boy when it happened and couldn't even remember tgeir faces which is untrue we say that his parents death scared him deeply he remembered it all, charles said that killing is detestable yet was ready to kill his own kind yet refused to get rid of those people that will ultimately in every timeline be the climax for all that befalls mutant kind. Magnis is a necessary evil.
I saw Magneto’s backstory as an example of humanity creating its own monsters with him having suffered the worst parts of human nature (I.E. bigotry, princess and the hatred for those who are different from you) I mean his out look on humanity as an objective whole was shaped pretty much by nurture rather than nature with his outlook be a result of people showing him hatred and fear…first for his religious and cultural background and then for his mutant abilities.27:43
Man I love your videos don't stop and as a grate grandson to holocaust survivers and an idf combat soldier i have to say its completely understandable why he became so extreme when you were so weak you cannot let go of the will to be strong
Magneto needs help, he's been through a lot in his life and his reaction is predictable. He's definitely no hero, he needs to pay for his crimes and find a better way than all out war all the time. He'd let every human suffer over the crimes of the few, Charles path maybe harder to walk but is the right one.
Nah I wouldn’t say he’s a monster, he’s a survivor of a race that have been hunted down like wild animals for just co-existing in a world which both sides believes they are superior and have waged war against each other, he’s lost his blood related family from the evils of mankind and doesn’t want to see anyone else suffer but takes drastic measures to never see that past repeat itself again
Yeah it’s hard to call him a monster when just his existence is considered a threat to humankind. Rarely in history has asking “please stop” has ever stopped the bully
Have you watched the "To Your Eternity" series yet? I would love to hear your thoughts on how the show portrays life and people, and how Fushi accepts it all whether he's ready or not
What did you think of the movie version of Magneto? Personally, I like the Ian Mckellan version more. The only problem that I had with him was in the second X-Men movie. I prefer a villainous Magneto , but he seemed to be a little bit TOO extreme in that movie! Did he leave Charles to what, DIE in Cerebro? That felt kind of - Wrong! The first two movies didn’t really touch much on the friendship between Charles and Eric. By the way, I still hate that Max name . I always see him as Eric of Magnus. Max doesn’t fit him .
I think that Magneto is a monster. He is an intriguing character with a fair bit of nuance to him, but that does not redeem him. I reckon that was the point of the character, to show that because of how the world treated him, he intends to treat the world the same way, which just ends up justifying the fear that people have in the face of the mutant population. It's the cycle of hate and hurt. People like Magneto are the reason mutants are hated and feared, and he uses this fact to justify his own hatred of humanity. He didn't do what a good person would do and break the cycle of hate, he propagates it. It's the old justice/vengeance dichotomy. He doesn't want justice, he wants vengeance. "They hurt us, so now we hurt them". That line of thinking births only more hate and pain. Magneto is a murderer of mutants and non-mutants alike, a racial supremacist and he uses his tragic background as justification for acting just like the people who hurt him. He has the power to kill countless people all by himself, and the moral and emotional understanding of a three-year-old. That is a caustic combination, and a terrific villain. He claims to have seen "humanity at its worst", yet fails to see that he IS humanity at its worst. He is what happens when evil thinks it's good. If he does turn things around, then he must take responsibility. Saving a life does not undo a life taken, a good deed does not erase an evil one. He is looking to redeem himself, and that is good. But he is focusing on leaving his past evil behind instead of accepting that all of him, Eric, Magnus and Magneto, were and are the same person. A murderer who, without ever going to jail, saves a life is still a murderer avoiding justice. These are the laws that govern humankind, and Magneto still refuses to acknowledge that he is not above, but among mankind. This is how I see it, and no-one is obliged to agree. Just how I see his characterisation. An excellent villain, but a villain nonetheless.
Magneto is THE greatest character in comic book history and just the thought of him being in the MCU makes me want to vomit from how sickening the idea is
No one has any right to dictate to the oppressed the means by which they throw off their oppressors. Until Mutants are not an oppressed minority, (the whole point of the whole XMen series) international law very clearly states, "By any means necessary".
So recently I’ve been getting into the animated super hero shows. Any recommendations I really like both the justice leagues so is avengers assemble the same or the X-men shows?
Yh about the line in Quran its two actually not one the first one is "to kill an innocent is to kill the whole world" the second is " to save an innocent person is to save the whole world " Another good one is "its the hearts which are blind not eyes " i take it as refusing to accept thr the Truth or being ignorant and not willing to listen
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Magneto is a character that evolves to represent every single voice that was brave enough to be heard, a voice that is born as a response to pain, suffering and oppression.
Magneto is a good man with good intentions who let them lead him to hell. Then through will power and the help of good friends he pulls himself out and tries to be better.
One of the best written comic book villains and one of the best written Marvel characters in my opinion.
it feels kinda weird we never see hitler interact with hitler or red skull
🤔 Magneto definitely is one of the greatest villains / anti-hero written of all time
“I’ve been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again.” - Magneto
"so instead the world will be afraid of ME giving orders to my mutant subjects"
😄😄😄😄
I unironically love First Class for this cold banger of a line. You know, as soon as Charles says it that it wasn't going to end well. People have been arguing for decades if he's a hero or a true villain. But he is the perfect anti-villain. Imo he has better motivation and is more sympathetic in his plight than the MCU's Thanos or even BP's Killmonger. While Killmonger grew up a victim and has never allowed himself to be one since, Erik tries; he genuinely loves Charles and wants to live in the world that his bestfriend invisions and actively tries to forge from the chaos and hate of the world. But it is when he lets his guard down that Magneto is always betrayed not by Charles himself but the humans he protects. The ironic thing about "never again" line is Magneto is one of the only villains to repeatedly open up, only for the world to seemingly prove him righteous and justified in becoming the same kind of monster he cowered from in Germany.
Just because someone stumbles, falls, loses their way, doesn't mean they're lost forever.
In Charles words thats how I see Magneto.
I love how you stated that what he SAYS is right, but what he DOES is wrong. That's something good writers are able to highlight in both Magneto and Xavier. Magneto is a man who has seen humanity repeat the same cycle of cruelty over and over and over again, and became so focused on that to the point he couldn't see anything else. And sadly in that he often does more harm than good. I know people say it's dumb to keep finding ways to de-age him to keep him tied to his origins, but having that be his origin is part of what makes him so powerful...and imo when handled well, the longer he's alive the more he'll see this cycle repeat and in a way it can be used to further his character and the explorations of his anger. The fact he keeps being proven correct is in part why he keeps going. And personally if they can continue on this general trajectory of improvement for him, it works all the better and I would love it all the more.
I think there's a much simpler way to describe Magneto: a man without hope.
Magneto has given up. He's decided that the best case scenario, peaceful coexistence, is so unattainable that it's not worth fighting for and instead lives by the same us vs them mentality that makes that dream impossible to begin with. He's taking the easy way out and, in doing so, becomes as much a part of the problem as the humans because a dream like that can't be achieved unless both sides believe in it.
Honestly the title seems more fitting to Apocalypse and Doctor Doom.
I been respecting Magneto more lately because of how great of a character he is, what he represents and what he wants to prevent.
He can go from a sympathic character to a extremist, but you will understand his motives. He even wanted to stop the Marvel Zombies from spreading to other universes and he sacfriced himself to do it.
I mean in different ways it fits all three of them perfectly. They all strive for the same thing, but for such drastically different reasons that it lets each of them stand in their own space.
He wants mutants to rule and forget humans, he only tried Charles way because of Charles's death. And magneto failed he went right back to his old ways of wanting humans destroyed and mutants to rule big fail on magneto's part. And it was a mutant who started the war in genosha
Agreed
I remember that comic he doesn't that evil to spend to other worlds selfless act indeed
@@quintbakerjr2786 He failed to cause hundreds of mutants died because he tried the "right way" just because a mutant starts it and that give them the right to genocide them, Would you say that about any other minority group?
Professor X: "Greet the world with open arms!"
Magneto: "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves!"
W reference I love epic the musical
This is why I believe Magneto is the greatest Superman villain that Superman will never fight. His capacity for posing an ideological challenge against Superman like no one else has the potential to make for one of the greatest superhero stories you could tell.
Omg image if he did fight superman; it would be so good.
You're a God among insects. "Never let anyone tell you different" -Magneto X Men 2
That's a lot coming from a Holocaust survivour.
@@thegunslinger1363As a black guy I dislike this monopoly Jewish people seem to believe they have on human suffering. It's annoying. So what if he suffered through the holocaust? he can still grow to have terrible supremacist thoughts and views regardless of his past. And no being subjected to horrors doesn't automatically make you enlightened, wise or mature.
Great hero indeed
Didn’t he basically try to kill all the humans after that?
Hitler could've said that
If Magneto is a monster, it only proves some monsters were right. Never stop fighting those who would exterminate you.
That ignores a lot of the people dead who were just collateral
@@OhNoTheFaceI doesn't need to happen and no one likes it but sometimes the death of people can become a catalyst for true chang.
Yeah
"He who fights with monsters might take care, lest he thereby become a monster, and when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
@@logicplague cool
I love this video, and you highlight for me something that I have been grappling with all my life; monsters and gods are by definition, inhuman. Their worth is exclusively determined by the benevolent (or malevolent) nature of their interaction with humans. A human has intrinsic value and can always be redeemed or make more mistakes as long as they live. So of course as long as Magneto imagines himself to be either god or monster, of course he cannot acknowledge his faults or accept forgiveness for them, because that is something that only humans can do.
To add to this idea, another flaw in magneto is that he genuinely believes mutants are without faults/are entirely morally pure. If magneto gets his way and all humans are gone, he honestly believes everything will be total peace/kubaiya. But mutants are human, they have the potential for selfishness, greed, want for power and can have the same selfish/destructive acts with or without “humans” (same shit different color). Even with aliens species far advanced then earth they have the same conflicts & wars as anyone on earth but magneto can’t see that beyond his moral superiority mutants mentally are no different than any person yet he pretends they are
Wow,man....Magneto has always been one of my favorite characters in comics,and your impassioned reflection on where he's been as a character and how it's resulted in the person he currently has moved me.
I'm glad that you're into comics,because you are REALLY good at that. It will surely bring many people into this woefully under appreciated medium.
Magneto is perhaps THE best written Marvel character.
I have always had so much empathy for magneto because I understand why the why he is. Anyone who has seen the worst of humanity multiple times would go mad with rage. Especially with x men 97 because he genuinely tried, he tried so hard to see Charles vision and he almost did. But then genosha was destroyed and so many innocent people were taken from this world for the simple crime of being born a certain way. Then Charles returns and the same conversation that they have talked about for so long happens. Then Eric finally tells him to shut up. Magneto is so tired of the same speech that Charles keeps repeating like a broken record. He tried Charles way and it didn't work yet the professor is still preaching the same bs. I believe that if anyone lived Erics life they would be just like him.
There's a reason why Magneto is the best sympathetic villain of all time. He is right that humanity despises mutants and wishes to support mutants no matter what. Fight force than Xavier's methods of peace, believing Xavier's methods will only do so much to help.
But he is wrong. For Magneto's emotional trauma and hypocripsy make him unable to bring mutants peace. For violence makes him too suscpetible and slowly becomes a suppressor.
I like how X men 97 acknowledges yet also argues that while Xavier's methods are too complacent against stubborn humans, it still argues Magneto cannot help society if he returns to being the worst of himself. Charles did want his dream to work yet his pacifism and tolerance can only do so much. And while Magento tries to justify his methods, he ultimately cannot save mutantkind due to his emotional damage and trauma for self hatred and vengeance against humans.
In the end Magneto is one of my favorite sympathetic villains, because his motivations extends to everyone. He truly is the definition of the road to hell paves good intentions.
nothing sympathetic bout a jew
@User61918 yikes buddy
the "magneto is right" crowd often fail to see that magneto has never been up for coexistence at heart, he never believed it possible because he sees mutantkind and humankind as two sides who will forever struggle for control (hence why his only two options are an ethnostate or straight up human genocide, coexistence was never an option for him), it doesn't matter if humanity stopped harrassing mutants anymore. He is a mutant supremacist, he believes the place of mutants is above humans, and humans belong at the heels of mutants.
He is not a revolutionary fighting for equal rights through any means necessary, he is an holocaust survivor that became mutant Hitler who would happily slaughter human children if it proved useful to him. A tragic character.
The problem is he could have left with most mutants with Asteroid M yet the X-Men stopped him he was gonna peaceout. Then UNIRONICALLY they just that by having all large amount of just go into a pocket dimension leaving the "main cast" on earth. Like X-Men is so stupid now. Since humans are honestly justifed being angry due to how much BS happens because the superpowered fight around them.
Magneto is a hypocrite at the end of the day
The line "a holocaust survivor that became mutant Hitler" goes so hard. I applaud you
@@ExeErdnarespectfully. Humans developed bombs that they dropped on other humans that irradiated the biosphere, rendering it uninhabitable. Enslaved Men that look exactly like them, and done worse to those that look or believe differently than them.
The avengers fighting the x-men may or may not level a city block that’s covered by insurance. Humanity is the greatest of destroyers. By a long shot.
@@1amthegreatest1 You are comparing their world with our own. They're much more advanced and have access to magic. Aliens are borderline common place. Mars has been terraformed. You're still thinking humans focusing on mutants only MAKES sense? You really only want to read recycled slop
Such a powerful character!
And not because of the power but because of the man who uses it and learns to use it for the better.
My respect for Storm who was once a foe to Magneto to :
Saving him from the mutant nullifier,
To being a super team on Arakko and her electricity keeping him alive with his fight with Uranos,
To showing Xavier his place when he tried to access her memories of Magento after his death,
To bringing him back from the dead.
Storm never compromises, if Magento won her heart, yet them being not that good friends, I'd place him as a greater friend to Magento than Charles ever was!
These two are actually examples of how even us humans can evolve from our pasts.
This is the Sage's Rain I've always wanted.
I think Sokka is the first video of you're I've watched, but but I've loved them all. But this?? *chefs kiss*
I love your content and was hoping you’d do a video on Magneto, he’s such a complicated character and he’s one of my favourite villains of all time
So glad you brought up X-Men Red and Resurrection of Magneto; the reveal that there are *two* lists of names is one of the most beautiful moments in all of fiction, for me, honestly.
Wow, I remember this channel when it was at 14k. Not saying 14k is small but holy hell 440k. Damn, you’re killing it. Really enjoyed the video.
I love the comparison with Armin and Annie’s conversation it goes perfect with Magneto
revenge will make us blind to justice and kindness
Revenge leads to pain and suffering.
Magneto in the 97 x men series definitely stood out as a great character.
More like an hypocrite and an edgy teen inside a old man body.
I can’t hate Magneto. I understand why he feels the way he feels. As a Holocaust survivor, he and his people treated like trash and were being whipped out because in the German’s eyes, Jewish people weren’t born the “right way”. It is no different from how mutants are being treated. Humans are demonizing mutants because they sees them as people who aren’t born once again, “the right way”. It is extermination of people who had to decision in being born the way they are.
My second favorite Marvel Villain (Behind Doctor Doom.)
I'm honestly curious, what makes you like Doom more?
@@stupendoushorrendous8258 doom is just that guy the perfect villain to some marvel fans can't blame them tho
@@stupendoushorrendous8258magic and science/his suit/ his country/ his robots/his pettiness/his benevolence. He’s the ultimate comic book villain.
Incredible video about the master of magnetism, liked so much!
Let’s go the goat finally posted
Goddamn. Sage videos, f***in, rip. So immensely hard. I’ve been slowly getting back into Marvel comics and this format is so gratifying. Both for catching up on all the years I’ve missed to a degree, but more importantly, being delivered a concise, emotional and earnest vehicle for the themes and messages Magneto represents. Your voice feels like the audio equivalent of a fine velvet. Looking forward to the next vid, and I hope you’re doing well.
Brilliant video, phenomenal work. Going to share this around.
Mr. Sinister = Villain: Doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Bad intentions/Bad actions.
Magneto = Anti-Villain: Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Good intentions/Bad actions.
Anti-Hero: Doing the right thing for the right reasons using bad methods.
Hero: Doing the right thing for the right reasons using good methods.
Awesome another sage’s rain video
This is such a wonderful video essay on one of my favorite characters in Marvel. You, friend, have talent!
I don't believe anyone chooses to become a monster, but really, life can be so cruel to people who just want a life for themselves. Magneto is not a true monster, but not a true hero either, more like a villain/anti-hero. The Master of Magnetism had more than one dirty card thrown at him, but he's a survivor, as many Jews are. I haven't thought of it before, but if I had so much power and so much guilt like he does, I'd lose it. It's a wonder Magneto doesn't completely lose himself or lose sight of what he's fighting for. I don't really agree with Magnus, but it is true how susceptible humans are to hate and violence, and every one of us has to fight that part of our minds every day as well as physical threats.
One of my favorite fictional characters. Great video, the best breakdown I've watched on Magneto.
The hardest choices require the strongest will.
What makes him the scariest villain? Because deep down you know he's right, but you're scared of agreeing with him. 😨
I haven't seen your channel be recommended to me in months. I'm glad to have found it again today ❤
Magneto and Charles had a massive breakup and decided to make it everybody else’s problem
Hey sage I didn’t watch this video yet but just wanna let you know that you make great content Amd taught me things that wouldn’t cross my mind so thank you
In reality those who speak out aren’t held as heroes, they are killed and have their stories changed after their death then given a movie. Magneto doesn’t want that ending
Yeah he wants the ending where he’s the one killing people.
What a great video thanks for making this friend
This segment is truly a beautiful Masterclass on arguably the most intriguing, interesting character in the X-MEN landscape of Marvel 💯💯💯
Please do Hajime no Ippo!!! Philosophy and viewpoint on this is very insightful
This might be your best video.
I only thought that only back in the Lee/Kirby era were he was kinda a moustache twirling villain and it was long before he was revealed to be a holocaust survivor.
In the current world’s social climate, I see his points, and I agree with many. Though, I wouldn’t wish my suffering on the ones causing my loved ones pain.. eye for an eye ends only in a blind world.
This was a VERY well-done and researched video! It’s clear that you have a love for the character . I love him too, but I do think that it’s that he stayed dead in the comics . X-Men #3 or X-Men #25 (When Charles shut his mind down .) were really good ending points for him . His arc should really have ended there . There really isn’t much else that can be done with him in the comics at this point .
Hey Sage your videos inspired me to make my own fictional story.
Love your content bro
I’ve never been this early.
Me neither.
20:40 a question Stan Lee, calirmont and Jack Kirby never got asked 😢
I need to turn Magneto into my next major campaign villain, that hurt yet just core moral goal is perfect if my party chooses to fight against it, otherwise they could join him or try to compromise or even save him
Loved this one
I wouldn't really say that Magento is a monster with a god complex he's not Lex Luthor or Doctor Doom unlike these characters Magento actually cares about his lackies and even the X-men. What makes Magento such great character is that he's a sympathetic villain/anti hero who you don't necessarily agree with but understand. And that's why he's my favorite Marvel villain.
Totally did not kill a lot of innocent people in his crusade
Did you know he attacked and fights Spider-Man sometimes right there's a reason why he calls him Maggie
@OhNoTheFace that's why I said he's not a character you agree with but you understand.
yea he’s not a monster. i just like to lie in my titles
He literally calls his race Homo SUPERIOR.
Just because he has sympathetic motives doesn't make him any less of a monster that has legimately attempted genocide on humanity multiple times in comics.
Great video, and it’s a hard watch causes one of my top three characters of all time. I don’t mind critical lenses when examining magneto because he is a man with flaws, but rarely is the world around him held to the same standard, he’s lived through two genocides and has seen humans put their humanity aside and become monsters, and monsters are rarely changed by the high moral ground of the noble man.
Great content bro 🔥
When you have nothing left to lose, and giving up isn't an option, two things happen to you. The first is you give up everything you used to be, just for a chance to escape the cycle. The second is that you throw yourself headlong into what you believe in. There is no inherent good or bad in the person you leave as, or even if you leave at all. Adversity will consume you if it gets too close
2:41 in some of the comics Magneto is given the worst job in the holocaust. Picking apart dead bodies for gold…. Looting corpses…. Against his will.
Good use of Arcanum music.
That's an interesting and meaningful journey Magneto has gone through.
I was a little worried when I started the video, but you slammed a home run. You nailed every nuance, every point, every bit that makes Magneto, Magneto. Thank you for showing him the respect he deserves, instead of the bashing or misconceptions/misunderstanding that he usually gets. It is so easy for people to just pigeon hole him as a straight up villian, and that is not him. Yes, he has had his moments. But as you showed here, there is so much more to the character and he deserves to be seen as such.
I truly hope the new run of the X-Men continues Ewing's work on Magneto and doesn't ignore it. The Resurrection of Magneto was beautifully done and the rest of The Fall of X kept in line with it. The character deserves that much, at least.
We need a video on Guts and or Griffith!!!
The most Amazing Magneto feat is just in Apocalypse. HE can move the very Earth's core
Great video bro.. please do a video on the tv show snowfall.. one of the greatest shows I ever seen
Maybe Ben Grimm finally have someone other than moon knight to send his Hanukkah card.
SPOILER (do mot read if you haven't finished xmen 97. What always makes me chose magnis over charles is that in the fight with Sebastian charles tells magneto that for all his talk of ruling the world it is the world that ruls him, but its not the world magnis can control the world it is humans that (lets be honest) are far weaker than him. But what males me side between the lesser of two evils is that charles is an altruist he is naive and untouched with the true state and affairs of humans while magneto is in my opinion a utalitarian he doesn't care about the decorative approach but only that it warrants favourable results. Charles tried to kill him by shutting him down mentally he would've killed him if cyclops didn't step in then he probed into his mind and changed his memories charles said he was just a boy when it happened and couldn't even remember tgeir faces which is untrue we say that his parents death scared him deeply he remembered it all, charles said that killing is detestable yet was ready to kill his own kind yet refused to get rid of those people that will ultimately in every timeline be the climax for all that befalls mutant kind. Magnis is a necessary evil.
I saw Magneto’s backstory as an example of humanity creating its own monsters with him having suffered the worst parts of human nature (I.E. bigotry, princess and the hatred for those who are different from you)
I mean his out look on humanity as an objective whole was shaped pretty much by nurture rather than nature with his outlook be a result of people showing him hatred and fear…first for his religious and cultural background and then for his mutant abilities.27:43
His weird lopsided, asymmetrical cape from the movies (Except the 3rd) has really grown on me
Cool vid bro.😺
Xmen 97 made him my fav villian
Dude your videos are so good and could you do one of gohan up until cell arc plz and thanks
Man I love your videos don't stop and as a grate grandson to holocaust survivers and an idf combat soldier i have to say its completely understandable why he became so extreme when you were so weak you cannot let go of the will to be strong
Pls do a green lantern and flash video
Fantastic BTW
Magneto needs help, he's been through a lot in his life and his reaction is predictable. He's definitely no hero, he needs to pay for his crimes and find a better way than all out war all the time. He'd let every human suffer over the crimes of the few, Charles path maybe harder to walk but is the right one.
Mutants haven't suffered enough to be this righteous. Destroy them all
Magneto is a monster that wants to be a God with some true points, however Dr Doom is a monster that is in fact a God
Nah I wouldn’t say he’s a monster, he’s a survivor of a race that have been hunted down like wild animals for just co-existing in a world which both sides believes they are superior and have waged war against each other, he’s lost his blood related family from the evils of mankind and doesn’t want to see anyone else suffer but takes drastic measures to never see that past repeat itself again
Yeah it’s hard to call him a monster when just his existence is considered a threat to humankind. Rarely in history has asking “please stop” has ever stopped the bully
You do realize that Magnus sees humans like you and me the same way the Nazis viewed the Jews right?
@@mitchellcleveland6182 that’s a stretch, the humans were the antagonists in the x men.
@@WillieEarlSonit’s not a stretch when magneto keeps promoting mutant superiority which I where his cause derails
@@Mammothsaber-4457 i get that, just me personally I’m not gonna hold him to the flame as much as i am the humans because they started this.
Dude you got to do Charles next
Also, as a comics fan, would you ever consider covering aspects of Immortal Hulk by Al Ewing? (If you've read it, that is.)
I Love Magneto.
Magneto is usually seen as a gary stu amongst fans and get mad when Magneto is portrayed sometimes as an unjust villain supremacist
I think he's a monster and an angel. I think that's what makes him very human
Have you watched the "To Your Eternity" series yet? I would love to hear your thoughts on how the show portrays life and people, and how Fushi accepts it all whether he's ready or not
Can Magneto from X men movies kills Homelander from The Boys TV Series?
Yes. In Apocalypse he could destroy the world.
Yes, like it is so easy for the master of magnetics that it's not funny.
Magneto is a nuke and Homelander is a sick baby who wins?
What did you think of the movie version of Magneto? Personally, I like the Ian Mckellan version more. The only problem that I had with him was in the second X-Men movie. I prefer a villainous Magneto , but he seemed to be a little bit TOO extreme in that movie! Did he leave Charles to what, DIE in Cerebro? That felt kind of - Wrong! The first two movies didn’t really touch much on the friendship between Charles and Eric. By the way, I still hate that Max name . I always see him as Eric of Magnus. Max doesn’t fit him .
RIP season 2 of xmen 97 :(
I think that Magneto is a monster. He is an intriguing character with a fair bit of nuance to him, but that does not redeem him.
I reckon that was the point of the character, to show that because of how the world treated him, he intends to treat the world the same way, which just ends up justifying the fear that people have in the face of the mutant population.
It's the cycle of hate and hurt.
People like Magneto are the reason mutants are hated and feared, and he uses this fact to justify his own hatred of humanity.
He didn't do what a good person would do and break the cycle of hate, he propagates it.
It's the old justice/vengeance dichotomy. He doesn't want justice, he wants vengeance.
"They hurt us, so now we hurt them". That line of thinking births only more hate and pain.
Magneto is a murderer of mutants and non-mutants alike, a racial supremacist and he uses his tragic background as justification for acting just like the people who hurt him.
He has the power to kill countless people all by himself, and the moral and emotional understanding of a three-year-old. That is a caustic combination, and a terrific villain.
He claims to have seen "humanity at its worst", yet fails to see that he IS humanity at its worst.
He is what happens when evil thinks it's good.
If he does turn things around, then he must take responsibility. Saving a life does not undo a life taken, a good deed does not erase an evil one.
He is looking to redeem himself, and that is good. But he is focusing on leaving his past evil behind instead of accepting that all of him, Eric, Magnus and Magneto, were and are the same person.
A murderer who, without ever going to jail, saves a life is still a murderer avoiding justice.
These are the laws that govern humankind, and Magneto still refuses to acknowledge that he is not above, but among mankind.
This is how I see it, and no-one is obliged to agree. Just how I see his characterisation.
An excellent villain, but a villain nonetheless.
*KING CRIMSON!!!* 2:08
Can we get a dr.doom video he’s my goat
Music: Fma:Brotherhood philosophorum omega
Can you make a video on homelander
A neglected child will burn the village down to feel the warmth
Magneto is THE greatest character in comic book history and just the thought of him being in the MCU makes me want to vomit from how sickening the idea is
No one has any right to dictate to the oppressed the means by which they throw off their oppressors. Until Mutants are not an oppressed minority, (the whole point of the whole XMen series) international law very clearly states, "By any means necessary".
You’re absolutely right, until you have to eventually play diplomacy with those you fought against. “By any means necessary” can cut both ways.
🤔 Honestly wish X-Men evolution was a shows that got a modern remake Version minus political agenda with Disney Or in General
Hey man, I noticed that TH-cam marked your video about Finns love life as made for kids for some reason
So recently I’ve been getting into the animated super hero shows. Any recommendations I really like both the justice leagues so is avengers assemble the same or the X-men shows?
Yh about the line in Quran its two actually not one the first one is "to kill an innocent is to kill the whole world" the second is " to save an innocent person is to save the whole world "
Another good one is "its the hearts which are blind not eyes " i take it as refusing to accept thr the Truth or being ignorant and not willing to listen