MOTHER! MOVIE SPOILERS AND BOX OFFICE FAILURES - Double Toasted
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- MOTHER! MOVIE SPOILERS AND BOX OFFICE FAILURES - Double Toasted - Audiences from many a film convention were up in arms and ecstatic after the creepy movie trailer and the equally creepy song playing in those trailers for Mother, but it wasn't enough as Paramount Pictures' Mother! did not do so well in the box office. The Double Toasted podcast explain why as well as discuss spoilers for the movie, all for you Double Toasted fans in this highlight from our most recent podcast!
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The women is mother earth and is viewing God from her point of view thats why the house shakes and the floor bleeds when she feels pain and the whole heart being taken out thing
She kills them all in the end with fire and oil as a global warming metaphor. FUCK THIS MOVIE
The *woman* is mother earth.
HOLLOW MAN I agree, but what is the drink she kept mixing & drinking? What is it suppose to represent?
Blake F
Oh, that's where the global warming meatphor comes from. I LOVE THIS MOVIE EVEN MORE!
HOLLOW MAN what is the yellow juice she drinks?
I wish people would stop saying high concept films are douchey/ pretentious. There's no shame in liking movies with a deeper meaning...
That being said:
When she touches the walls and sees the heart, that's her heart, it's the heart of the earth and the state it is in.
As far as the yellow powder in the water goes, and this is just a theory, but I think it is supposed to represent the sun?? After consuming it, she is replenished and brought back to health, the same way plants are when they get sun and water ? If anyone knows the official answer let me know !
Jennica that's my best guess as well. Even the director teases that he'll never tell what that orange solution officially is. And I loved this movie. I understood what was happening at the end so I was crying pretty hard because it's so very sad. I've said in a few places (online, reviews, etc) that I loved this movie and it truly moved me and I got so much hate and got called so many names it was pretty bad. I feel sorry for the people who didn't "get" this movie because it's very special and has deep meaning we could all learn from.
Nihilism Is the Only Way
I completely agree! I found myself randomly crying at one part cause it had such an affect on me. All I can say is that I hope some day it is a classic that upon its initial release was panned by critics and audiences like Psycho or blade runner
It's one thing to complain the movie is just metaphors/allegory, but you can't deny the director delivered an incredible experience, restrained/focused in it's execution.
Who keeps complaining about these guys giving too many spoilers? I think they actually skirt spoilers effectively during reviews.
Flounderboy15
I don't even know why people watch reviews and complain about spoilers. Stay off the internet if that's the case.
Loved this movie and hated it simultaneously
I would have loved to see the audience's reaction once the movie ended.
Taylor, I live in the deep south. I saw this in a theater of thirteen people, myself, and a friend. By the time the film ended, there were thirteen extremely upset people leaving the movie theater with me, manically laughing at the back of the theater, and my friend sitting next to me, completely stunned. That should give you a picture of the reaction I had at the first showing.
I agree with Korey. Once you know what it’s about and represents, you really love it. I never considered how much Mother Nature hates us 😂
Every time I hear them say Mother, that Danzig song starts playing in my head.
5:50 okay yeah after hearing that I gotta say i aint interested in this movie that reminds me of the fucked up serbian film tbh
SÆM
A Serbian Film is really good too lol same with Anti Christ, but you're absolutely right. Everything is pointing to it's that kind of movie. I wanna see it lol
It's not that bad. You see some bloody bones for a second and then you see them eating something but they don't show flesh, just bloody hands and them badly acting that they're eating lo.
shiftshaper1 I really hope a pirated copy comes out soon so someone can edit the audio in the Little Baby's ice cream commercial with that scene
Trust me, it’s no where near as fucked up as Serbian film.
Korey I like how you break down the movie and now I want to see it
yeah, he really sold me on this
You want to watch it after the movie has been spoiled?
Okay.
It was really good. It was put together well, and korey saw the meaning of the movie
Damn, Korey's actually got some brains! Who knew?
Gen 4:9 "The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground." This was the recurring stain of the blood on the carpet. Regards, Goat from Ruthless Reviews.
I kinda have a theory with the whole floor bleeding part. My thoughts are it has to do with man hurting the environment- and no matter how hard you try to cover it up, it's still there- that's just my thoughts.
From my recollection of past Double Toasted reviews, I recall Korey stating that he was an atheist. This might go a long way to explaining why the religious symbolism in this film was so obvious to him, as it was to me, as I am also an atheist. It is NOT because we are more insightful than your average viewer. However, as atheists, we are more aware of religious criticism, and are particularly receptive to criticisms of the Judeo-Christian conception of God. Hence, when a film like this explores the relationship of God to humanity in such a negative light - portraying God as a narcissist who relishes in praise above all else, and it portrays his followers as opportunistic, violent, and self-serving - we could immediately recognize it for what it is. For someone who has a more positive view of God and religion, or who is indifferent to religion, they might not so readily make that connection.
As someone who's part of the former (im presbyterian), those parallels I also noticed and it made me hate the film. Not because it compared god to an attention hungry writer (which I saw as a parallel to Aronofsky himself), but because the movie shoves these events without their context. They're just used as a skeleton for Aronofsky to throw in metaphors about the environment, domestic roles attached to home, home invasion, the artist's struggle, satanic worship, the phases of war, etc. Not only do these metaphors contradict eachother, but they leave the movie bereft of character or a coherent story. It's not saying anything new about these subjects, nor is it telling a compelling narrative. It's allegory for allegory's sake.
To me, the film wasn't critical of God enough. He wasn't as vain or petty as he clearly is in the Bible or any other 'holy book.'
Martin is also an atheist though, and he didn't see it...
shiftshaper1, That is true. The God of the Bible makes this film's depiction of God seem soft by comparison.
I would've loved to see him jealous that others suddenly worship someone else, for example, and killing them.
I love that Korey loved this film. The hate this film is getting really bugs me. It's such a good movie, really stayed with me. One of my favourites this year; top 5 too.
Raz176 hey! Me too! Glad I'm not the only one (I think there's very few of us)
Goodwin with his headphones on 😂
Not even listening to the review
When the scene happened with the rib, I thought "Oh yeah, it's a metaphor".
When mother had the baby, and Him asked to show it to the people, I thought "OH _FUCK_ IT'S A METAPHOR".
I think that Paramount saw the success of Get Out and how it had a profound message, and how it was somewhat of a horror flick, and they tried to associate that with this "Mother!" film. I also applaud you on your explanation of the film. I am more interested in seeing this film having your synopsis of it.
Was Goodwin listening to trap music the entire time?
SPOILER
That baby eating scene is FUCKED UP
GSiv2 I saw that and while it wasn't as disturbing as people made it out to be I would be lying if I said I didn't feel unsettled
newborn porn scene from Serbian movie was a 100x more disturbing.
I don't know how cannibalistic infanticide couldn't be disturbing.
Christianity and all religions are fucked up... ;-)
+lady09giggles That makes no sense at all.
Korey saw it way earlier than me. I didn't connect it all until the house was burned down... and then I had to pause the movie, and pace around my room as my mind rapidly began to connect the dots. I thought this movie was genius.
Hahaha! Goodwin is trying not to hear the spoilers with his headphones.
Took the blood on the carpet as the Mark of Cane, which were the latter half of the problems are rooted in.
Aten Akehnaton that’s my thought too. It was a blemish that could never be undone and it led to corruption and destruction.
dude with the hat: "Revelation is new testament"
(feels better he didnt understand the movie)
that was funny. Solid review bro!
Keep up the awesome work guys 👍
Completely agree about marketing. Any movie that pulls a bait and switch deserves to bomb. Thought the same thing about It Comes At Night (which also got an extremely low cinemascore). This is the second time this year that studios have conned horror fans (because I guess it's easier to sell) and they really need to stop. I wouldn't have hated this if they just sold it for what it was.
I don't understand how this movie failed, it's really good! So far, I think that The Babadook, Get Out, Us and Mother! are definitely some of the best horror movies! 💜
I love how Korey said “unless you take a time machine back to the seventies”. So true. Audiences could deal with nuance and ambiguity much more during that era. Look at how films like Marathon Man, Three Days of the Condor, All the President’s Men, The French Connection, and The Exorcist were pretty major films that did well with audiences.
I'm with Korey.I don't understand how anyone can not get this. The metaphors are so fucking obvious, the film is practically beating you over the head with it!
After seeing the movie myself, I would say it's not so much if God had a wife of sorts, it's actually that God is married to mother nature! Really a Pun intended on the naming of this film. Jennifer Laurence is mother nature nature in the film while the house is Earth itself, and the people are humanity. (explains why Bardem says they have no where else to go) In this telling of the stories for the bibile humanity is pretty much the villain as well as God allowing this to happen. And who suffers at the hands of humanity flourishing around the world? Apparently mother nature and humanity's constant need of scavenging and consumption. Which is why the ending could be thought of as global warming meets the rapture. Take your pick.
To take this metaphor even further it might be a sort of trick Aronofsky is playing on the audience, particularly the mainstream audience who won't get it when they watch the film after being disgusted by it. And in turn, their lack of insightfulness in seeing how this is a commentary on the savage nature of man imposed on the Earth shows how i'll prepared and unwilling we as a society are in dealing with the real issues that threaten us all today, i.e. Global Warming. This may explain the marketing and wide release of the film to a degree and Aronofsky just wanting to look back and see how audiences would respond like it was his plan all along lol!
I don't know, perhaps this is one big rabbit hole that I'm reading too far into. Either way this is still an interesting movie I think people will revisit years to come.
I saw mother! on Amazon Prime and I loved it. This video and the Foundflix ending explained video really helped me enjoy it. Thanks!
The blood from the carpet I felt represented her emotions..or her hell...because whenever the people came back into the house again the bleeding started again....when they left the bleeding stopped.
The wife is the earth.
Yet, since these characters are suppose to be humans doing the bible, while being modern humans in 21 century. Some parts are like people being dicks too much, acting way too violent, coming in massive groups, and eating a fuckin baby is like the fuck is wrong with these people.
The wife is mother nature, the house is earth.
I agree with Korey 100%
This movie was what we like to say
SOME OL BULLSHIT
Great review.... Helped me understand it better.... I was already half way there... 😁🌮
Am I the only one who found this movie funny? Not in an ironic way either. Granted it's incredibly dark humor, but there were times were I literally laughed out loud with all the absurdism and just how it kept on building and building the chaos. It almost felt like if you were to ask Monty Python to write a horror movie, this is what you would get.
Dank Happenings Productions I was trying to think of an analogy, and you nailed it. This is literally Monty Python horror lmfao
I saw the same thing as you.
And let me say that I don't take myself that seriously, I just like movies.
But, what I got from the heart is a representation of the heart of the earth (Mother!). Because it gradually becomes black and withered as people do more and more damage to the house as well having those surges of pain near the end of the movie when shit is going down.
I love how instead of just leaving the room Goodwin just stays there with his headphones on.
Saw this with my wife in theaters, and we ended up being the only ones in the theater, so it was an interesting experience. By the end, I was floored at the symbolism that was presented as was my wife, but she was too shocked to enjoy it. Darren Aronofsky really did a great job of providing so many layers to this film and I honestly think it's his best.
I agree with your points. I think the yellow medicine is a metaphor of saying that we don't need to be heavily medicated for small things and take the experience of the word naturally or it just could be a form of birth control or at least the same effects. Because she stops taking as soon as she's pregnant.
This really the best channel on TH-cam
I didn't even know Goodwin and Girts were still in their chairs for the spoiler talk. I thought they left when I listened to the review.
There is no thread for general audiences to grab onto, and that's why it failed at the box office. "Get Out" had a not-so subtle subtext about modern-day casual racism, but there was enough there to just enjoy as a straight up horror film.
"Mother!" does not have that safety net, unfortunately. But, it'll gain a cult following, I'm sure of it.
Does Goodwin have the headphones in his ears to avoid spoilers?
Ray Scott yes, he said he didn't want to be spoiled on this movie so he put on his headphones during the spoiler talk.
Nice analysis, only thing he missed was that Javier Bardem's character name is "Him" and his name is the only one capitalized thus indicating he is God (plus the fact that he survives the explosion without a single burn). I would also argue Jennifer Lawrence is meant to be Mother Nature as the house is clearly meant to symbolize the planet Earth and she has this connection and concern for the house, but that's up for debate.
Shit was deep. Martin still has no idea what's going on. Like JOKER. he needs to be spoon fed
The blood on the carpet was the spot where Able died, spot of the first death
Korey literally explained it perfectly. I still think it's a masterpiece lmao
Hey Korey! I've really enjoyed the movie but didn't get the retelling of The Bible entirely, though I got parts of it. I've loved it simply because the artistic quality of the movie is so great, the sound editing is incredible, the cinematography is fantastic and it, overall, really feels like a crazy ride on a rollercoaster. IT DOESN'T MAKE ME PRETENTIOUS! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
So, Chigurh is God, Katniss is Mother Earth, and Pollock is Adam. Got it. Do they fight the Avengers at some point?
Joh Ell No wtf
Probably in the upcoming sequel.
Only Loki and the new naked avenger with red eyes.
Korey likes the movie because it made him think he's smart lmao
I went and saw "It" over this. I really regret that decision now. Also Korey rocks for liking The Fountain
yes the studio made some mistakes when putting the movie out but studios have been doing this for years come on.
I think she is Mother Nature and even though that god guy is immortal and doesn't die or burn at the end he still needed mother's heart ❤️ to restart the cycle. It also explains why she's so attached to the house 🏡 which represents either Eden or Earth.
Korey, that's an excellent breakdown of the biblical allegories in the film. I'll never watch this movie but your breakdown is very insightful.
How did Martin not get this? This movie was way too obvious which was one of my complaints with the movie
9:10 The thing with the bleeding floor and the yellow powder remind me of elements from Aronofsky's previous films Pi and Requiem for a Dream. What they could possibly mean or why they were used I have no idea. #betterthansex
Now I want to see this.
I saw this movie the other day. I DIDN'T get the allegory throughout the ENTIRE film. I was assuming it was more trying to be a metaphor for creativity, artistry and fandom and I actually really liked it when the true meaning was sort of enigmatic to me. And then my girlfriend looked up Aronofsky's explanation and I actually like the movie less now that it was laid out for me... I don't HATE the film. But I think the simple act of defining the symbolism made it less impactful. At least that's how it hit me. I still think its good. Just a bit of a mess. A very pretty mess.
this movie i thought was amazing. Mother, baby driver, good time and get out are my favorites this year
I had to take a breath when the credits started rolling. "My first thought was: WTF did I just see?" What you said about the studio trying to rob people ->100% true. People just had different expectations. I personally enjoyed the movie and highly recommend it.
Sounds like a straight to video movie. I want to see it now.
She is the house/Mother Earth. Destroying the house = destroying her
Girt's face is like Oh shit
The yellow stuff I think was from the yellow wallpaper another story though...only story I know with a pregnant lady slowly losing her mind. Now the blood I just thought that was the house bleeding from all the bad stuff going on.
Damn Korey Jennifer Lawrence is mother nature and the house is mother earth. That is very important spoiler.
Ugh. Really? I've heard people say that they walked out at the end because of how distasteful it was and some responded by saying the scene is so symbolic and metaphorical that it shouldn't offend people. Yeah, because no one could possibly react to what happens at the end of this film for the sake of a tortured overwrought metaphor with distaste. Art can still offend. Clearly that was Aronofsky's intent with a scene like that, but you can't blame people if such a distasteful act could disgust people.
Imagine if MOTHER! was directed by Tommy Wiseau.
I really loved the movie when I saw it.. So many symbolism. Honestly it blew my mind of so many layers
I wonder if Korey would like Prometheus when he finds out it's a retelling of the book of genesis.
Fantastic. However to me the conflict between Jennifer Lawrence and her husband was maybe the conflict that God feels when He looks at humanity. He loves us but it kills Him to see how we have really messed up.
This actually makes me want to see the movie more now. I know, I spoiled it watching this, but it makes me feel better to watch it now. But I still have to contend with what Martin pointed out that was annoying (Lawrence's goat screams).
Ok... I was not gonna see this movie because other reviews made it sound like it had a Political Spin. Your Breakdown intrigues me and I will go see it.. Movies with Religious Over/Under Tones usually don't well in Theaters.. Thanks Korey!
I heard that Jennifer's character was suppose to be Mother Nature, or the Earth itself, and to heal herself she was drinking sunlight and water (the building blocks of life)
can't wait for the reboot
1:57 Lol wow these points...
where does the discussion about its box office failure start?
I loved the movie and I'm not a hipster. Yes the studio took a gamble on something like this but there are THOUSANDS OF MOVIES WE CAN ALL GET A LONG WITH AND LOVE but when a movie that is outside the box decides it wants to play to a certain crowd no put it away I don't get that logic. So it didn't make 20 million dollars SO WHAT ? Korey you love the STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR THOSE WHO HATE IT. If you hated this movie sorry but there are plenty of movies to cater to what you need move on.
I don't care about Spoilers either. Ppl be like nooooo I can't tell you and I'm just bruh I don't care lol
Martin is just playing dumb to drive Korey crazy.
I've actually listened to a lot of reviews for this and they pretty much all got; it same biblical allegories and everything, but some still didn't like it. A lot actually said that it wasn't subtle at all in that regard. They said the metaphors were actually layered. It can bee seen from the biblical aspect, from how we as humans treat the earth, fame and idol worship
Thanks for explaining this in a practical manner for people who didn't get it. The only thing I still don't get is the orange shit "Mother" drinks. Is that suppose to represent sunlight? The sun being male and representing god?
I really enjoyed the movie but was unsettled by it to. It stirred many emotions of love, hate and confusion. I love the telling of biblical references from a different perspective because if there is an all powerful being or god that exists, then I think that being can not be confined to one narrative or understanding. How can a lower being completely understand how a higher being relates to all that exists? I continue to ponder the vision of the movie itself and I like a movie that makes me question and search for it's complete meaning and what it's communicating. I will be rewatching and purchasing this movie for sure but I agreed it is not for everyone. The yellow powder and room/passageway next to the furnace, I haven't completely put together in my mind of their meaning or purpose but maybe it's not meant to be completely understood or is up for interpretation.
Also, who else saw the water pipe burst in the kitchen, as the "Great Flood"? It DID wash away, the 1st batch of 'ignant/infant', human beings. But even the "Original Uncensored Movie Poster", speaks Volumes! Nevermind that it was the OIL/FUEL, that serves as a necessary Energy(a source of both Construction, & also Destruction via, Borderline. "Exploding House")! 🤔,🧐,😏
I saw it opening night. It was obvious, and grotesque for the sake of being grotesque at times. That said, I wasn't mad at it being an obvious creation allegory until it was clear they weren't going to make it compelling enough for me to sit there another hour and fifty minutes. It was a worthy attempt, but I would say swing and a miss.
During the Critic screening a prayer was handed out before the movie and was asked to read before seeing the movie. Korey is pretty right.
Business wise, that's unfortunate. Artistically, I thought the movie was excellent - will likely go see it again in the theatre. It's right up there with Baby Driver as my favourite of the year so far. I was following it just as easily as you Korey - I just didn't see the busted sink as being the flood - Bardem's character would of had to bust the sink himself (as God) or deliberately flood the house for me to make that connection. I enjoyed the parallels, however I did winced a little when Bardem told Lawrence's character she had to forgive the people for killing and eating their baby, at that point it became painfully obvious what everything represented, and it felt really unnatural for him to react that way, so suddenly. I also thought the movie should've ended when the house exploded, and thought it ran a couple scenes too long. Other than that, I have nothing to complain about. The third act was just the right amount of crazy. I also perceived it as an allegory of a failed relationship. Bardem's character is so caught up in work and is consumed by his own ego and impressing the masses, while his wife, who has been so supportive grows more and more frustrated, until she ends the relationship, leaving him to pick up the pieces and start over - the different actress at the end could represent someone new.
Ok i'm confused. I do need to see it for myself but every review is blaming the trailers for misleading the public by selling it as a horror/thriller movie but every review i've watched or read so far makes the movie sound exactly like a horror/thriller in their description of it.
It has a baby torn to pieces and then eaten, that sure sounds like a horror film to me.
I mean not even Romero's Day of the Dead, Reanimator or Green Inferno had a baby murdered then eaten lol.
So what is it then, a mystery?
Hey is your NY show sold out I would love to attend.
Anyone in your crew fans of Cannibal Campout I was one of the creators and played the monster with the helmet please tell me one of you crazy cats watched it, it's punishment having to sit thru it lol.
Oh man please do a show on it that would be so awesome!
Decorum Nation it’s not a mystery. It’s a tale of how corruption and mob rule can create chaos to the point where the only solution is extermination. And as life begins once more with a fresh start, if we haven’t learned the lessons of the past, we’ll repeat those same mistakes that lead to destruction and the cycle continues once again. It has other allusions as well. I thought of the mass extinction of the great beasts, yet life persisted and evolved to where we are now, and what we’ve done is create hostility, division and discord where it would be much easier to function as a society where we cooperate and help each other survive. But human nature creates tribalism that leads to division that leads to misunderstands, hate, vengeance, murder, genocide, war, waste, infestation, and ultimately, destruction.
Yeah, the big mistake was misleading marketing. People don't like to be fooled, they dont like bait & switch, they don't like expecting something they don't get, they don't like being confused, etc. So when they came out of that theatre after watching such a disturbing movie that made no sense to them, & were asked to rate the movie, it's no wonder so many people gave the film an F score! They didn't even have time to think about it, or to read or watch or listen to explanations of it. It was their reaction to a film that was 2 hours of high anxiety & confusion. Even if that was the intent because we were supposed to be experiencing this story from the perspective of Mother Nature (J. Lawrence) who was also experiencing high anxiety & confusion, audiences didn't understand what was going on.
Same thing happened to The Village. People thought they were getting horror and ended up hating it.
Virgochic84
I had no issues with that film. Knowing who the director is I knew there would be some kind of twist.
Maybe it will be like Fight Club, some will change their minds years later.
@Double Toasted....the heart is to convey that the earth (the house) is alive
i ll watch it.....on firestick
Jennifer Lawrence is Mother Nature, that is why it is called Mother!
Well Done IT
The house was Earth.
Damn. Wish I knew this shit going in.
I'm so surprised that I had the EXACT same interpretation, with a few exceptions. 1: the yellow tonic she drinks is tolerance. When she has faith in humans she throws it away. And because she throws away her tolerance, she breaks out into those yelling fits that never happened when she was drinking the yellow tonic. The house is the physical world and Jennifer Lawrence is the human representation of earth. You could also interpret Bardem as a prophet and Lawrence as god. With the prophet remaining unscathed after the apocalypse only for another god to come along in the history of the world. It could be an allegory of the power of false prophets. The evidence being when Lawrence told Bardem, "you never loved me, you loved the love I gave you"
Jennifer Lawrence is Mother Earth or Mother Nature and the house, which bleeds and heals depending on how many people invade the house, is planet Earth.
Good movie, I loved it!