Me and my sister had a hard childhood. But we were always their for eachother. If we cried we cried together. We're now 30 years old with many scars mental and physical but we're here with our own children now providing the best childhood that we can. We got tattoos of Sol and Mani a couple of weeks ago to remember that one is always with the other even if not physically.
I always saw Sol and and Mani as a sort of Romeo and Juliet type relation. Sol as Dag's daughter. Mani as Nott's son. Sol's hair is golden and her beauty illustrious and so she shines brighter in the heavens while Mani is strong but humble so his glow is gentle but persevering. Their love was forbidden so they took their horses to meet in the heavens one day, they kissed but once when their parents found out. Dag and Nott were so infuriated they unleashed a wolf to hunt down the child of the other. And so ever do they run, chasing after the love thinking the wolf will eat them too, only meeting occasionally to kiss (solar and lunar eclipses).
You inspired me to write it into a mythological soundi g wording. Use it how you please: And there were the night (Nott) and the Day (Dag), both enemies who fought over who may rule the sky and it's colours. Both had a child respectively: Nott had Mani, a calm and introvert child. His glow was soft and low and he was the brightest of her children (the stars?). Dag on the other hand had Sól as his daughter. A bright shining child with long hair and a determined look in her eyes. So it happened when both Dag and Nott fought their daily battle (the twilight) on the field called "rökkr" (Twilight), both young gods first met each other and fell in love. But since their parents were arch enemies, they were never allowed to see each other. But they still did nonetheless. When their parents found out about it, they were furious and sent two wolves, the children of Fenrir after them to hunt after the child of the other: Dag, sent Hati after Mani to kill him. Nott on the other hand sent Skalli after Sól so he may catch and revenge her. So both lovers had to rotate around the earth and over the sky hold by their feral followers away from each other, just to become united again, whenever they could risk a short time of closeness. (the lunar eclipse).
This video is fantastic. I love the different stories that each pantheon and religion has on the Sun and Moon. Although the story ends on a sadder note than others, it's still interesting. Thank you for covering it!
I went through my first ever pagan ritual to Njord tonight in a rather amazing cove on the coast! It was quite powerful to build my frith and balance the rocks correctly to make the sculpture, dressed in shells and seaweed and other personal belongings of value. It was an incredible experience to offer tributes and light the candles out there at twilight! 🌊
This is probably the most awkward comment you have ever received but your voice is just...so SO good when you have a full audio system. I forgot my subwoofer on (try to keep it off when working) and what the heck man your voice is so deep and calming...!
You said it and I was wondering, that the whole punishment of Mani and Sunna over their father's "pride" did seem... awfuly Christian in concept; or even hellenic - more of a Zeus move than an Odin one. I dont think the idea of pride and hubris against the gods was that engrained with old cultures of scandinavian people. I guess we'll never know. This is why you back up your documents people! Also, Glen is such a fantasticaly mundane name to include in these stories, I love it
To be honest, as still a wee pagan having only come to this a scant few years ago, I had never put much thought yet to these two. I only knew the most general of details of their role and story. Most of my attention being on those I feel closest to and idolize the most (mainly Odin, Tyr, and Thor, among others). After this excellent video, I think I'm going to start paying more attention to them.
The idea of Sol and Mani aging on their journey is interesting in a cosmological sense too, with Mani and Sol eventually drifting farther apart and Sol's eventual late stages before fading out.
Thanks! I've added music to a handful of videos. Usually I don't have a whole lot of time to make it right. But with this one I had time and found the right track to use. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@OceanKeltoi I’m willing to bet you can recycle this track to great effect; it’s mind-quieting without forcing a specific mood and I can’t explain well enough, but the key it’s in is so very universally compatible with this subject matter :)
I like to think I am fairly devoted to Mani (and beginning to work w Sol more) and I honestly hope more knowledge of them from antiquity comes to light. It’s very hard to find historical evidence and insightful takes on Them. Thank you :)
Hail Sunna! What of those who consider Glen (Glenr) as the husband of Sól, & her charioteer? Wikipedia says his name means "opening in the clouds". Also, could Hjúki & Bil be related somehow to Jack & Jill?
I'd think that a good method for learning about Glen would be learning the meaning of his name. But it doesn't mean that he was a cloud deity necessarily. It could have been a name just chosen to show his relation to her. There's several possible answers to who Glen could have been. However, the concept of Glen being a cloud deity is entirely possible. And the possibility of him being a co-charioteer is also possible. There's a few things to explore there. Was Glen the original charioteer? Perhaps he couldn't continue anymore for some reason and Sol has taken his place. There's nothing to confirm this, but these are concepts to explore. It's an interesting question with much to discuss and explore, but there isn't any way to have a definitive answer. Even having an opinion on it is just going to be informed by what you might intuit from the story, which isn't necessarily going to give you the 'right' conclusion. And I hadn't thought of a Jack and Jil connection, but it does seem possible doesn't it?
Jack and Jill was about the beheadings of the French royalty during the French Revolution. Jack fell down (knelt at the block) and lost his crown) head chopped off) and Jill came tumbling after (she was beheaded after him).
I’m new to Heathenry, and I really like the image of them as deities, riding across the sky, marking time. It really resonates with me. However, I’ve always felt a feminine vibe to the moon, and my exposure to various polytheistic pantheons, I see a lot of male energy (I know yall hate that use of the word , but there it is for now until I develop a better vocabulary around my Heathen practice as it grows). Now, I’m always about giving male gods a feminine counterpart, but I imagine developing praxis with Mani - the moon as male- will be a challenge. Excellent video! I really appreciate you sharing your perspective.
I'am waiting impatiently maybe i'll have to watch it tomorrow because of the stupid time difference i'am from Germany but never mind i already looking forward to it
I'm so accustomed to hearing the name Glen in reference to some geeky, awkward coworker that it's really difficult disconnecting that name from that association, and thus made the whole segment about him way more funny than it ought to be. Mystery man Glen.
I speak often to Sunna and Mani as I try to spend as much time in nature as I can. I often tease threaten Sunna for a nice day or I will sing to her of her virtues (lets just say only my puppy likes my singing voice lol) So we often have nice mornings so I can take my bike ride lol.
I enjoyed this - i love any stories the sun and moon - we do know that Snorri was christian - so in so many cases he 'humanized ' the dieties, whom otherwise would perhaps not been even identified as a particular sex . I actually like to think of the connection too of old old rhymes like Jack and Jill and wonder if they comes from something older and darker - as the animist view of sky , moon , sun and waters are very important as the background to all that followed.
Great video I've always been interested in Sol and Mani and adding them to my daily hearth cult. Also i couldn't help but notice I wasn't on the patreon list, did something happen with my membership?
Greetings Ocean, is any chance you could make a video in the future about different heathen symbols, their meanings and which ones are real or fabricated by culture, hate groups, or people claiming that all of them are racist? For context, I started looking into getting tattoos primarily inspired by my ancestry, but when looking into Norse/Germanic symbols I came across a lot of seemingly fake ones that I could find straight answers on. I haven't had this issue finding answers when looking into my Celtic or West African ancestry to the same extent. Thanks for the great heathen content!
I’m not sure if it’s relevant at all but I find it extremely interesting that the Norse mythology of the sun and moon has the woman connected to the sun and man to the moon which is often not the case, at least in the major European mythologies. I know the reason was often that the moon was linked to women’s menstrual cycles but I think womanhood is linked to life and fertility maybe even more often so the link to the sun makes just as much sense. I think it can give us insight into which predilection cultures had toward certain attributes, virtues, character traits, etc. and what they considered as the decisive manifestations of gender. I personally think that the gods don’t have ‘gender’ in the way we attribute it to them so I think we impose our governing beliefs onto the expression we give them in stories. So I think it’s fascinating to parse what older cultures found as paramount.
I’m not pagan but it’s nice to be able to enjoy stories now about other gods and not worry about going to hell. It’s actually educational I might add. 😮 As a skeptic I can enjoy these things no worries 😅
@OceanKeltoi slightly off topic question. I've always wondered about the Sol/Sunna names. For some reason I have it stuck in my head that Sol is a a Celtic god and that Sunna is the Heathen sun goddess.
So, I have been getting closer to finding my path, and I know I am a sign, but I cant find any gods directly for "Water", sea, and ships yes, but nothing for rivers and lakes. But, I'm also drawn to the Moon, as it does affect the waters. Does Mani have a symbol of his own, like Thor has Mjolnir's symbol?
When i was younger, I had an assignment where i had to come up with a story for a God I made up, and in this story there were two gods. One, a man, for day and the other, a woman, for night, and they fought for control of the skies. Each being had their own followers, and each God chose a child born to be their next prophet, or oracle, or shaman, however you want to think of it, young girl by the god, and a young boy by the goddess. They bestowed them with great power that they would one day use to aid in their battle. As they grew they learned all the things of their respective God, and devoted their lives to being their followers. The two had never met, but met by chance, and over time they grew to love one another. Though they kept it secret the gods knew. The God of day told his disciple the dangers of pursuing the boy of night, and urged her to end it as he feared for her safety. He had grown to love the girl. The goddess of night kept the knowledge to herself. Before the two disciples could fully grow into their power, the gods fought again. However the goddess used her power to endanger the young girl, and with this struck down the god. With his dying breath he bestowed the remaining power to the young girl as she became the sun to drive away the night. The young man yearning for his love began to chase her into the sky with the power he had been given turning himself into the moon. But sadly he was never able to catch her.
I wonder if it was less a punishing act and more that the gods saw the siblings and went "oh hey, they are super beautiful and good" so they put them in charge of two important and flashy jobs.
I believe the punishment is actually that Glenn will see his children every day but never be able to speak to them again. And the agony of living without kids but never being able to forget them. That is the punishment for naming your children after celestial bodies. An insult to the gods. Viewing you children on their plane. So thats what they did. They made the children gods. A twisted norse way of saying be careful what you wish for
I personally read them as twins, not an older and younger siblings. Now, of course, in reality the sun is older, but the deities could be seen as twins. No, definitely nothing like the Maximoff twins. Sure, I see them as twins. With Sol being shining and luminous and powerful, and forming our reality. And Mani racing though the sky, with a silver-white color scheme. But definitely not Wanda and Pieter...
Ahhhhh, I've been looking for more information on Sól and Máni, and this video is not only perfect, but super educational as well! I was wondering if you also knew any information on Sköll and Hati (the children of Fenrir who chased the sun and moon)? Every single story I find about them is different; one story says that Hati chases the moon and Sköll the sun, there's another that says Hati chases the sun and Sköll the moon, then there's another that says Hati is a female and that they weren't brothers but brother and sister instead. I'm trying to find the most original story/tale/poem about them because I'm mega interested in them and I think their whole story is pretty cool. The main things that I know about Sköll and Hati that is in every story is that they were both Vargr, and that Sköll translates to "the one who mocks" and Hati translates to "the one who hates". Other than that, I can't seem to find anything else that isn't different in other stories.
In PA Deitch folktale.. Muun and Sunna were lovers tricked and seperated. Their offspring is the Dandelion. There is also a conection of petitioning Muun in finding good suitors for your daughters.
@@OceanKeltoi Urglaawe is the Heathen tradition that springs from the PA Deitch culture. Robert L. Schreiwer would be able to point you better. I think he his the current steer of the Troth- last I herd he was running, but I am not a member.
I’m not religious and so I can’t really say but I feel the punishment aspect comes from the fact that they parent and child will never meet again, further other than the rare eclipse the two children or even if they are full gods and not former humans are left up in the sky basically alone forever till these two giants wolves eat them alive; and further other than the isolation and more than likely horrifying and daunting task they’ll never get a life of their own. Though you did say that the sun would have a daughter so that’s probably wrong. Idk just what came to my head.
My view on Sol and Mani is rather simple - even if their godhood is debatable, at the very least they're worshipped now. To put it another way, paganism is an evolutionary religion. It started out (probably) as an Indo-European shared religion, that eventually branched off into Slavic, Germanic, Celtic, and other forms (Hinduism and even Zoroastrianism stem from the same root). Norse paganism itself branched off of the more generic Germanic religion, which also included the early Anglo-Saxons of course. So, perhaps at one time Sol and Mani were not a goddess and a god, personified at all, but at least now we recognise them as such. Just personally, I do give praise to Sol (moreso than Mani). I rise with the sun in the morning, so it seems fitting to me to recongise Sol as a goddess and not just as 'the sun'. Did the Norse do the same? Who can say for sure? I don't think it matters terribly, though. There are theories that Tyr was once the most widely worshipped Norse god (as a cognate of Zeus, Jupiter, and others) but eventually the Norse turned to Odin (who has more mysterious origins in the greater Indo-European mythos) and then turned more to Thor in the latter part of the Viking Age. Likewise, there are theories that Frigg and Freyja started as a single goddess, but were in the process of becoming more distinct before Christianity interrupted it. My point is that there really isn't a defintive way to worship the old gods, and I think that is probably the most beautiful thing about paganism. Whether you're Celtic, Slavic, Norse, Anglo-Saxon, even Wiccan to a degree, all our deities come from the same ancient source, all are even possibly the same deities operating under different names, so we can all say, "yes, I listen to the thunder, I praise the rising sun," and still understand each other. Anyway, this is just one interpretation. I'm no expert, just another learner like most others. Skal.
My interpretation is Sunna and Mani help Jord maintain her beauty and health. I also believe it possible to believe he and the 9 daughters of Rán are the parents of Heimdall, given the lone tale he and his 9 mother's. The moon and the crashing waves are ghostly white, and make the White God. All work together to keep our planet intact, alive and habitable for us. Playing the largest most direct role in our daily lives, while the other gods have their time to do as they wish.
Could the idea of Sol being married to Glenn be as simple as .. the Scottish term for glen is a deep valley Therefore the light of sol / sun being promised to Glenn / glen / valley literally being the light of the sun will reach the deepest valley But sometimes that just isn’t possible... Not sure Just a thought
Honestly, this whole myth seems it may be some distant memory of the periods on cold that lasted for decades and even centuries or more as a result of super volcanoes erupting in the past (like when Thera erupted). I watched some videos recently looking at reasons for the extinction of Neanderthals. The scientists outline several super volcanoes having erupted in Indonesian Europe near enough to the Bronze Age that would have perhaps lived on in our late Iron Age ancestors who grew up hearing takes of the disappearance of the sun and the devastation that followed during these eruptions. It’s just a thought.
Glen, glade, meadow; was this youngling supposed to be the delight of just one? That may have been enough to ruffle nope than a few feathers among the Aesir, who thought that such a radiant one should know the love of all; especially after losing their own bright beacon, Baldor. So they elevated this pair of shining children to someplace somewhat safer.
Now this is likely to sound pretty crazy. But, is it possible the Glen, was a name to hide Mani from the Gods, as he and Sol fell in love with one another, and as a punishment to their father and them, the Gods took them and charged them with the cycle of day and night?
So I have a question. I've done a little research into Celtic paganism and they seem afraid of their goddess. Is it the same for the norse gods? Are their worshippers afraid of them? Are you?
I'd have to know where you're finding that information. There is some reverence for the Morrigan's overwhelming power as a nature Goddess, and how she's / they're not always on the side of humanity. There are some attitudes like that within Germanic Polytheism, such as the view of Jotun, Odin's character is one that can be intimidating, Aegir and Ran are similarly intimidating in that they are deities but might not necessarily be on the side of humanity all the time. Surtr as well is one that was offered to for placation rather than reciprocity. I'd say check out my video on Aegir and another video I have on Fire Gods for more information on those perspectives.
I have also a question for you🤣.No really i already said i'am a practicing witch for 14 or 15 years and i have a main Goddes but serve actually to a divine feminine what are also many Goddesses, but i feel some connection to Norse mithology .Is that possible?
So, question: What was the, if any, taboo regarding sibling incest at the time? A quick note: I don't have siblings, so thinking about sibling incest *in the abstract* doesn't really squick me out like it does other folks. My apologies if anyone now wants to go for the brain bleach at the thought of making out with a sibling/s. It's a taboo in a lot of places for a reason. I just can't fully understand the revulsion some people experience at the thought so I'm trying to be sensitive to that potential discomfort, esp. in cases of children abusing siblings, etc. But that's why I'm stuck on that point-- Why keep the teens/siblings from each other in such a way if it wasn't a matter of being untrustworthy when in the same place? Especially when cousin marriage was SO a thing in Europe for most of the first millennium (I'm looking at you, Hapsburgs). We could have had a "Lions of Lannister" thing going on and Snorri balked at being quite so direct about the *why* since Christians are weird about sex to begin with, without talking about "keeping it in the family" in that manner. If this gleaming daughter of Sol's is so radiant because *both* of her parents are the embodiment of some manner of light, they dishonored their father's house by breaking the engagement to Glen in that way and at that time, and banishment of some type was a pretty common punishment when someone didn't want to resort to true honor killings. Or, if there was no sibling incest taboo in play, could Mani have perhaps threatened or killed Glen because Sol was unhappy as his bride, or afraid of the match? For women, sending your brother(s) to whoop some ass when your husband stole your money, hit you, or cheated on you was a known punishment at the time as well. If it turned out that Glen didn't foul up the way they thought, Mani would have, again, dishonored his family in seeking revenge/wereguild, and Sol played a part by misleading him, so off to the sky you go. Is there a kenning or name for a God that might transliterate or touch on "Glen", and this was a game to see if Loki could get Sol and Mani's father to kill his own children for shits & giggles? Loki can pull some pretty fucked up shit when he wants to.
I'd assume incest definitely was a taboo, mostly because Loki makes a big deal about it when he slanders the gods in Lokesenna, by claiming Freyr and Freyja are doing it, and also that their father Njord had them with his own (sadly unnamed) sister. In Snorri's story where he tries to humanize the gods he says that incest and other sexual taboos were common among the Vanir before their alliance with the Æsir tho. Interestingly there are theories that the Vanir were the original gods of Scandinavia, and the Æsir were continental Germanic gods whose worship spread north, and the clash there gave rise to the stories of the Æsir-Vanir war. If the Vanir were the original gods of Scandinavia, and they commonly practiced incest... well, I wonder what that says about ancient Scandinavians. 😆
Correct me if I'm wrong, still new to the faith and willing to learn, but is Dag short for Dagger? Dagger being the God of Light,if that's correct? 💙 😎🍻
Punishment might be an imported idea but not necessarily Christian. The Greeks for example have lots of stories about punishment such as Arachne being turned into a spider after competing with Athena at weaving. Even in Norse religion there is the punishment of Loki having snake venom dripped on his face except when his wife Sigyn can catch it in a bowl.
I love the puns, btw. Don't ever stop your clever shenanigans. Also, I think there's more to Sol and Mani being gods than what Snori tells us. If I'm not mistaken, the heathen Anglo-Saxons had a sun and moon deity where we the get Sunday and Monday from. If that is accurate it stands to reason if one group of Germanic heathens thought of them as gods, it's at least likely other Germanic heathens did as well, right? 🤷♂️
You forgot Dellingr. 🙂 I have given offerings to them all at one time or another. I wonder i the horse ”Arvak” in Skyrim got his name from Arvakr? Sounds reasonable. 🌞🌝
That final portrayal of Sol coming to the impasse of running or turning to fight, paints such an epic moment in my mind's eye.
I literally screamed "Dam you!" at that opening joke.
there were Sol Mani options.
@@OceanKeltoi wow 🤣🤣
Lol that was good Keltoi he he🤣🤣
What would we do without Snori and you😊
Bro your verified.You ,Wolf the red and Beofield are my peeps.
Me and my sister had a hard childhood. But we were always their for eachother. If we cried we cried together.
We're now 30 years old with many scars mental and physical but we're here with our own children now providing the best childhood that we can.
We got tattoos of Sol and Mani a couple of weeks ago to remember that one is always with the other even if not physically.
Thats so cool
I always saw Sol and and Mani as a sort of Romeo and Juliet type relation. Sol as Dag's daughter. Mani as Nott's son. Sol's hair is golden and her beauty illustrious and so she shines brighter in the heavens while Mani is strong but humble so his glow is gentle but persevering. Their love was forbidden so they took their horses to meet in the heavens one day, they kissed but once when their parents found out. Dag and Nott were so infuriated they unleashed a wolf to hunt down the child of the other. And so ever do they run, chasing after the love thinking the wolf will eat them too, only meeting occasionally to kiss (solar and lunar eclipses).
Lunar eclipse
Happens when the earth is between the sun and moon
So only Solar eclipse
You inspired me to write it into a mythological soundi g wording. Use it how you please:
And there were the night (Nott) and the Day (Dag), both enemies who fought over who may rule the sky and it's colours. Both had a child respectively: Nott had Mani, a calm and introvert child. His glow was soft and low and he was the brightest of her children (the stars?).
Dag on the other hand had Sól as his daughter. A bright shining child with long hair and a determined look in her eyes. So it happened when both Dag and Nott fought their daily battle (the twilight) on the field called "rökkr" (Twilight), both young gods first met each other and fell in love. But since their parents were arch enemies, they were never allowed to see each other. But they still did nonetheless. When their parents found out about it, they were furious and sent two wolves, the children of Fenrir after them to hunt after the child of the other:
Dag, sent Hati after Mani to kill him. Nott on the other hand sent Skalli after Sól so he may catch and revenge her.
So both lovers had to rotate around the earth and over the sky hold by their feral followers away from each other, just to become united again, whenever they could risk a short time of closeness. (the lunar eclipse).
Ma = horse Ni=9
This video is fantastic. I love the different stories that each pantheon and religion has on the Sun and Moon. Although the story ends on a sadder note than others, it's still interesting. Thank you for covering it!
I got chills from your telling of Sol's ride through the solar system.
I went through my first ever pagan ritual to Njord tonight in a rather amazing cove on the coast! It was quite powerful to build my frith and balance the rocks correctly to make the sculpture, dressed in shells and seaweed and other personal belongings of value. It was an incredible experience to offer tributes and light the candles out there at twilight! 🌊
Hail! I Welcome kin
May the tree of life shelter you from the harshest storms!
Wind at your back 🖤
@@DKrappenschitz Thanks mate!
How wonderful
@@DKrappenschitz Also so beautiful
This is probably the most awkward comment you have ever received but your voice is just...so SO good when you have a full audio system. I forgot my subwoofer on (try to keep it off when working) and what the heck man your voice is so deep and calming...!
thanks so much!
Yes that's right you have very nice voice and with a music wonderful
You pronounce it almost Fenrr i is very hard to hear is that a right pronunciation?
You said it and I was wondering, that the whole punishment of Mani and Sunna over their father's "pride" did seem... awfuly Christian in concept; or even hellenic - more of a Zeus move than an Odin one. I dont think the idea of pride and hubris against the gods was that engrained with old cultures of scandinavian people. I guess we'll never know. This is why you back up your documents people!
Also, Glen is such a fantasticaly mundane name to include in these stories, I love it
I thought the exact same thing about the name “Glen”. 🤣
To be honest, as still a wee pagan having only come to this a scant few years ago, I had never put much thought yet to these two. I only knew the most general of details of their role and story. Most of my attention being on those I feel closest to and idolize the most (mainly Odin, Tyr, and Thor, among others). After this excellent video, I think I'm going to start paying more attention to them.
The idea of Sol and Mani aging on their journey is interesting in a cosmological sense too, with Mani and Sol eventually drifting farther apart and Sol's eventual late stages before fading out.
Your voice and narration style is freaking awesome!
You got the blood of a Skáld in your veins!
Thanks so much 😊
Love love love! Mani has been a big part of my experience and I love getting new perspectives on his (and Sol's) story
I could listen to Ocean tell stories all day and never get bored.
One of my favorite things about a Keltoi video is trying to figure out and anticipate what the opening pun is
7:47 this just gave me the chills.
Love, love , love this thoughtful synth music in the back. That was the finishing touch man!
Thanks! I've added music to a handful of videos. Usually I don't have a whole lot of time to make it right. But with this one I had time and found the right track to use. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@OceanKeltoi I’m willing to bet you can recycle this track to great effect; it’s mind-quieting without forcing a specific mood and I can’t explain well enough, but the key it’s in is so very universally compatible with this subject matter :)
I like to think I am fairly devoted to Mani (and beginning to work w Sol more) and I honestly hope more knowledge of them from antiquity comes to light. It’s very hard to find historical evidence and insightful takes on Them. Thank you :)
I see this as their best interpretation of astronomy at the time, told in the format of a drama to make it easier to remember.
I love the way you tell these stories, your voice is so soothing and makes it easy to learn them. Thank you for taking the time to do these.
Can't wait man. I love the Sunna meditation. First thing to do tomorrow morning. Skål !!!
Hail Sunna!
What of those who consider Glen (Glenr) as the husband of Sól, & her charioteer?
Wikipedia says his name means "opening in the clouds".
Also, could Hjúki & Bil be related somehow to Jack & Jill?
I'd think that a good method for learning about Glen would be learning the meaning of his name. But it doesn't mean that he was a cloud deity necessarily. It could have been a name just chosen to show his relation to her. There's several possible answers to who Glen could have been. However, the concept of Glen being a cloud deity is entirely possible. And the possibility of him being a co-charioteer is also possible.
There's a few things to explore there. Was Glen the original charioteer? Perhaps he couldn't continue anymore for some reason and Sol has taken his place. There's nothing to confirm this, but these are concepts to explore. It's an interesting question with much to discuss and explore, but there isn't any way to have a definitive answer. Even having an opinion on it is just going to be informed by what you might intuit from the story, which isn't necessarily going to give you the 'right' conclusion.
And I hadn't thought of a Jack and Jil connection, but it does seem possible doesn't it?
@@OceanKeltoi this is why I often leave these written as questions. They are possibilities, but other than our own UPGs, we don't "know".
Jack and Jill was about the beheadings of the French royalty during the French Revolution. Jack fell down (knelt at the block) and lost his crown) head chopped off) and Jill came tumbling after (she was beheaded after him).
Excellent video Ocean Keltoi! I hope you've had a great week so far!
This is so beautiful. Thank you!
thanks so much
This tale and how you relayed it was so compelling. I'll never look at the sun or moon the same way again.
Thank you so much for that
Another wonderful video Ocean. You have a talent for storytelling.
Ocean, you remind me of a viking version of Frasier. You are doing a really good job putting these videos together.
Mani is the reason i began my journey as a pagan
I've got goosebumps. You had me at Fenrir.
Loved the video. Also still love your intro Dad jokes
You always make me think. That's a very good thing. Thanks
Love the video! Thank you for making this video!
I’m new to Heathenry, and I really like the image of them as deities, riding across the sky, marking time. It really resonates with me. However, I’ve always felt a feminine vibe to the moon, and my exposure to various polytheistic pantheons, I see a lot of male energy (I know yall hate that use of the word , but there it is for now until I develop a better vocabulary around my Heathen practice as it grows). Now, I’m always about giving male gods a feminine counterpart, but I imagine developing praxis with Mani - the moon as male- will be a challenge. Excellent video! I really appreciate you sharing your perspective.
this is a fantastic story (and video). Great work as always!!
thanks so much!
I'am waiting impatiently maybe i'll have to watch it tomorrow because of the stupid time difference i'am from Germany but never mind i already looking forward to it
Thank you so much
Filled my thoughts to cups brim. ☕
I'm so accustomed to hearing the name Glen in reference to some geeky, awkward coworker that it's really difficult disconnecting that name from that association, and thus made the whole segment about him way more funny than it ought to be. Mystery man Glen.
I speak often to Sunna and Mani as I try to spend as much time in nature as I can. I often tease threaten Sunna for a nice day or I will sing to her of her virtues (lets just say only my puppy likes my singing voice lol) So we often have nice mornings so I can take my bike ride lol.
I enjoyed this - i love any stories the sun and moon - we do know that Snorri was christian - so in so many cases he 'humanized ' the dieties, whom otherwise would perhaps not been even identified as a particular sex . I actually like to think of the connection too of old old rhymes like Jack and Jill and wonder if they comes from something older and darker - as the animist view of sky , moon , sun and waters are very important as the background to all that followed.
Great video I've always been interested in Sol and Mani and adding them to my daily hearth cult. Also i couldn't help but notice I wasn't on the patreon list, did something happen with my membership?
Possibly? shoot me a message on patreon and we'll get it fixed.
"one day im gonna wolf that down" oh, and what a day that will be...
Ocean: I got a question for you...
Me: Here comes the pun...
I've been found out
@@OceanKeltoi The Doors might even say we were "Waiting for the Pun"
Greetings Ocean, is any chance you could make a video in the future about different heathen symbols, their meanings and which ones are real or fabricated by culture, hate groups, or people claiming that all of them are racist? For context, I started looking into getting tattoos primarily inspired by my ancestry, but when looking into Norse/Germanic symbols I came across a lot of seemingly fake ones that I could find straight answers on. I haven't had this issue finding answers when looking into my Celtic or West African ancestry to the same extent. Thanks for the great heathen content!
Gods bless you and your work! I truly appreciate what you do
What a haunting story
I’m not sure if it’s relevant at all but I find it extremely interesting that the Norse mythology of the sun and moon has the woman connected to the sun and man to the moon which is often not the case, at least in the major European mythologies. I know the reason was often that the moon was linked to women’s menstrual cycles but I think womanhood is linked to life and fertility maybe even more often so the link to the sun makes just as much sense. I think it can give us insight into which predilection cultures had toward certain attributes, virtues, character traits, etc. and what they considered as the decisive manifestations of gender.
I personally think that the gods don’t have ‘gender’ in the way we attribute it to them so I think we impose our governing beliefs onto the expression we give them in stories. So I think it’s fascinating to parse what older cultures found as paramount.
Sol is female and mani is male end of story
Thank you sooo much nice Sunday from Germany
9:19 the car in the ending is sol riding across the milky way
Maybe the crime was to promise his daughter to someone with such a basic name as Glen. He may as well have promised her to some dude named Jeff.
I’m not pagan but it’s nice to be able to enjoy stories now about other gods and not worry about going to hell. It’s actually educational I might add. 😮
As a skeptic I can enjoy these things no worries 😅
@OceanKeltoi slightly off topic question. I've always wondered about the Sol/Sunna names. For some reason I have it stuck in my head that Sol is a a Celtic god and that Sunna is the Heathen sun goddess.
So, I have been getting closer to finding my path, and I know I am a sign, but I cant find any gods directly for "Water", sea, and ships yes, but nothing for rivers and lakes. But, I'm also drawn to the Moon, as it does affect the waters. Does Mani have a symbol of his own, like Thor has Mjolnir's symbol?
Hey how would one go about joining the discord?
links are in the video description
@@OceanKeltoi sorry I'm blind
@@dissapoinsquid1965 Not as blind asme lol
When i was younger, I had an assignment where i had to come up with a story for a God I made up, and in this story there were two gods. One, a man, for day and the other, a woman, for night, and they fought for control of the skies. Each being had their own followers, and each God chose a child born to be their next prophet, or oracle, or shaman, however you want to think of it, young girl by the god, and a young boy by the goddess. They bestowed them with great power that they would one day use to aid in their battle. As they grew they learned all the things of their respective God, and devoted their lives to being their followers. The two had never met, but met by chance, and over time they grew to love one another. Though they kept it secret the gods knew. The God of day told his disciple the dangers of pursuing the boy of night, and urged her to end it as he feared for her safety. He had grown to love the girl. The goddess of night kept the knowledge to herself. Before the two disciples could fully grow into their power, the gods fought again. However the goddess used her power to endanger the young girl, and with this struck down the god. With his dying breath he bestowed the remaining power to the young girl as she became the sun to drive away the night. The young man yearning for his love began to chase her into the sky with the power he had been given turning himself into the moon. But sadly he was never able to catch her.
I was also raised Christian and never heard of Sol or Maní before this project.
This video is awesome. 🌞🌚🐺🐴💚
She’s a grown woman, she is the energy of the sun.
I wonder if it was less a punishing act and more that the gods saw the siblings and went "oh hey, they are super beautiful and good" so they put them in charge of two important and flashy jobs.
Is it hubris to hear a story and feel something in it is implicitly true or false? Or is that just my own understanding of myths coming out?
Could I get a link to that great necklace my man?
I believe the punishment is actually that Glenn will see his children every day but never be able to speak to them again. And the agony of living without kids but never being able to forget them. That is the punishment for naming your children after celestial bodies. An insult to the gods. Viewing you children on their plane. So thats what they did. They made the children gods. A twisted norse way of saying be careful what you wish for
No, God = Gebo odal dagaz. If you have created life you have become a god.
I personally read them as twins, not an older and younger siblings. Now, of course, in reality the sun is older, but the deities could be seen as twins.
No, definitely nothing like the Maximoff twins. Sure, I see them as twins. With Sol being shining and luminous and powerful, and forming our reality. And Mani racing though the sky, with a silver-white color scheme. But definitely not Wanda and Pieter...
Hold on, what was the name of the Giant in norse mytholgy that built the wall?
wasn't part of his payment the sun and moon?
I am an atheist but I do like your videos and happy to know that some people believe in the old gods anything to save them from Jesus
Sol and Mani are always overshadowed by other Norse God.
Sol Estela is the expression in freedom love abundance and wisdom in the sky of sol.
love ur fit btw. iss dope af
Is this sol we've come to? Childish jokes? Mani I tell you I thought this was a respectable community.
Ahhhhh, I've been looking for more information on Sól and Máni, and this video is not only perfect, but super educational as well! I was wondering if you also knew any information on Sköll and Hati (the children of Fenrir who chased the sun and moon)? Every single story I find about them is different; one story says that Hati chases the moon and Sköll the sun, there's another that says Hati chases the sun and Sköll the moon, then there's another that says Hati is a female and that they weren't brothers but brother and sister instead. I'm trying to find the most original story/tale/poem about them because I'm mega interested in them and I think their whole story is pretty cool.
The main things that I know about Sköll and Hati that is in every story is that they were both Vargr, and that Sköll translates to "the one who mocks" and Hati translates to "the one who hates". Other than that, I can't seem to find anything else that isn't different in other stories.
The main originating story about Skoll and Hati with the most information is in the Prose Edda.
@@OceanKeltoi Thank you so much!
In PA Deitch folktale.. Muun and Sunna were lovers tricked and seperated. Their offspring is the Dandelion. There is also a conection of petitioning Muun in finding good suitors for your daughters.
This is really interesting. I need to look into this.
@@OceanKeltoi Urglaawe is the Heathen tradition that springs from the PA Deitch culture. Robert L. Schreiwer would be able to point you better. I think he his the current steer of the Troth- last I herd he was running, but I am not a member.
Sol returning to fight could be seen as when the sun expands and consumes the Earth in 5 billion years.
I’m not religious and so I can’t really say but I feel the punishment aspect comes from the fact that they parent and child will never meet again, further other than the rare eclipse the two children or even if they are full gods and not former humans are left up in the sky basically alone forever till these two giants wolves eat them alive; and further other than the isolation and more than likely horrifying and daunting task they’ll never get a life of their own. Though you did say that the sun would have a daughter so that’s probably wrong. Idk just what came to my head.
My view on Sol and Mani is rather simple - even if their godhood is debatable, at the very least they're worshipped now. To put it another way, paganism is an evolutionary religion. It started out (probably) as an Indo-European shared religion, that eventually branched off into Slavic, Germanic, Celtic, and other forms (Hinduism and even Zoroastrianism stem from the same root). Norse paganism itself branched off of the more generic Germanic religion, which also included the early Anglo-Saxons of course. So, perhaps at one time Sol and Mani were not a goddess and a god, personified at all, but at least now we recognise them as such.
Just personally, I do give praise to Sol (moreso than Mani). I rise with the sun in the morning, so it seems fitting to me to recongise Sol as a goddess and not just as 'the sun'. Did the Norse do the same? Who can say for sure? I don't think it matters terribly, though. There are theories that Tyr was once the most widely worshipped Norse god (as a cognate of Zeus, Jupiter, and others) but eventually the Norse turned to Odin (who has more mysterious origins in the greater Indo-European mythos) and then turned more to Thor in the latter part of the Viking Age. Likewise, there are theories that Frigg and Freyja started as a single goddess, but were in the process of becoming more distinct before Christianity interrupted it.
My point is that there really isn't a defintive way to worship the old gods, and I think that is probably the most beautiful thing about paganism. Whether you're Celtic, Slavic, Norse, Anglo-Saxon, even Wiccan to a degree, all our deities come from the same ancient source, all are even possibly the same deities operating under different names, so we can all say, "yes, I listen to the thunder, I praise the rising sun," and still understand each other.
Anyway, this is just one interpretation. I'm no expert, just another learner like most others. Skal.
My interpretation is Sunna and Mani help Jord maintain her beauty and health. I also believe it possible to believe he and the 9 daughters of Rán are the parents of Heimdall, given the lone tale he and his 9 mother's. The moon and the crashing waves are ghostly white, and make the White God. All work together to keep our planet intact, alive and habitable for us. Playing the largest most direct role in our daily lives, while the other gods have their time to do as they wish.
Could the idea of Sol being married to Glenn be as simple as .. the Scottish term for glen is a deep valley
Therefore the light of sol / sun being promised to Glenn / glen / valley
literally being the light of the sun will reach the deepest valley
But sometimes that just isn’t possible...
Not sure
Just a thought
Honestly, this whole myth seems it may be some distant memory of the periods on cold that lasted for decades and even centuries or more as a result of super volcanoes erupting in the past (like when Thera erupted). I watched some videos recently looking at reasons for the extinction of Neanderthals. The scientists outline several super volcanoes having erupted in Indonesian Europe near enough to the Bronze Age that would have perhaps lived on in our late Iron Age ancestors who grew up hearing takes of the disappearance of the sun and the devastation that followed during these eruptions. It’s just a thought.
Glen, like Glenn, like a garden.
The sun is life and death w/o the sun we would die
Hail Sunna! Hail Mani!
Glen, glade, meadow; was this youngling supposed to be the delight of just one? That may have been enough to ruffle nope than a few feathers among the Aesir, who thought that such a radiant one should know the love of all; especially after losing their own bright beacon, Baldor. So they elevated this pair of shining children to someplace somewhat safer.
I think the story is very old. It reminds me of the Irish goddess Brigid who was another solar deity.
Awesome
Now this is likely to sound pretty crazy. But, is it possible the Glen, was a name to hide Mani from the Gods, as he and Sol fell in love with one another, and as a punishment to their father and them, the Gods took them and charged them with the cycle of day and night?
I find it interesting that in every other religion I've come across the sun is masculine and the moon is feminine but in heathenry it's the opposite
My cats are brother and sister and their names are sol and mani
So I have a question. I've done a little research into Celtic paganism and they seem afraid of their goddess. Is it the same for the norse gods? Are their worshippers afraid of them? Are you?
I'd have to know where you're finding that information. There is some reverence for the Morrigan's overwhelming power as a nature Goddess, and how she's / they're not always on the side of humanity. There are some attitudes like that within Germanic Polytheism, such as the view of Jotun, Odin's character is one that can be intimidating, Aegir and Ran are similarly intimidating in that they are deities but might not necessarily be on the side of humanity all the time. Surtr as well is one that was offered to for placation rather than reciprocity.
I'd say check out my video on Aegir and another video I have on Fire Gods for more information on those perspectives.
I have also a question for you🤣.No really i already said i'am a practicing witch for 14 or 15 years and i have a main Goddes but serve actually to a divine feminine what are also many Goddesses, but i feel some connection to Norse mithology .Is that possible?
And i'am also pagan or how to call myself just witch?
Finally, a pagan talking about something other than Moon Goddess and Sun God
XD the opening thoooo
I wonder if they knew that tidal actions are controlled by the sun and moon.
Glen is prop a thing like univers or smt:)but to make it human is easier to learn so in a way it’s both
I thought Sol & Mani where giants
So, question: What was the, if any, taboo regarding sibling incest at the time?
A quick note: I don't have siblings, so thinking about sibling incest *in the abstract* doesn't really squick me out like it does other folks. My apologies if anyone now wants to go for the brain bleach at the thought of making out with a sibling/s. It's a taboo in a lot of places for a reason. I just can't fully understand the revulsion some people experience at the thought so I'm trying to be sensitive to that potential discomfort, esp. in cases of children abusing siblings, etc.
But that's why I'm stuck on that point-- Why keep the teens/siblings from each other in such a way if it wasn't a matter of being untrustworthy when in the same place? Especially when cousin marriage was SO a thing in Europe for most of the first millennium (I'm looking at you, Hapsburgs). We could have had a "Lions of Lannister" thing going on and Snorri balked at being quite so direct about the *why* since Christians are weird about sex to begin with, without talking about "keeping it in the family" in that manner. If this gleaming daughter of Sol's is so radiant because *both* of her parents are the embodiment of some manner of light, they dishonored their father's house by breaking the engagement to Glen in that way and at that time, and banishment of some type was a pretty common punishment when someone didn't want to resort to true honor killings.
Or, if there was no sibling incest taboo in play, could Mani have perhaps threatened or killed Glen because Sol was unhappy as his bride, or afraid of the match? For women, sending your brother(s) to whoop some ass when your husband stole your money, hit you, or cheated on you was a known punishment at the time as well. If it turned out that Glen didn't foul up the way they thought, Mani would have, again, dishonored his family in seeking revenge/wereguild, and Sol played a part by misleading him, so off to the sky you go. Is there a kenning or name for a God that might transliterate or touch on "Glen", and this was a game to see if Loki could get Sol and Mani's father to kill his own children for shits & giggles? Loki can pull some pretty fucked up shit when he wants to.
I'd assume incest definitely was a taboo, mostly because Loki makes a big deal about it when he slanders the gods in Lokesenna, by claiming Freyr and Freyja are doing it, and also that their father Njord had them with his own (sadly unnamed) sister.
In Snorri's story where he tries to humanize the gods he says that incest and other sexual taboos were common among the Vanir before their alliance with the Æsir tho.
Interestingly there are theories that the Vanir were the original gods of Scandinavia, and the Æsir were continental Germanic gods whose worship spread north, and the clash there gave rise to the stories of the Æsir-Vanir war. If the Vanir were the original gods of Scandinavia, and they commonly practiced incest... well, I wonder what that says about ancient Scandinavians. 😆
Correct me if I'm wrong, still new to the faith and willing to learn, but is Dag short for Dagger?
Dagger being the God of Light,if that's correct?
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Glen...why though
For me it is a story of the only thing worth worshipping. Burn bright, but burn.
Punishment might be an imported idea but not necessarily Christian. The Greeks for example have lots of stories about punishment such as Arachne being turned into a spider after competing with Athena at weaving. Even in Norse religion there is the punishment of Loki having snake venom dripped on his face except when his wife Sigyn can catch it in a bowl.
I love the puns, btw. Don't ever stop your clever shenanigans. Also, I think there's more to Sol and Mani being gods than what Snori tells us. If I'm not mistaken, the heathen Anglo-Saxons had a sun and moon deity where we the get Sunday and Monday from. If that is accurate it stands to reason if one group of Germanic heathens thought of them as gods, it's at least likely other Germanic heathens did as well, right? 🤷♂️
You forgot Dellingr. 🙂
I have given offerings to them all at one time or another.
I wonder i the horse ”Arvak” in Skyrim got his name from Arvakr?
Sounds reasonable. 🌞🌝
Could Glen possibly Earth?
These storiee are fascinating a refresher from christianity