Baldur Is (not) the Norse Jesus
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Further Reading:
- History of the Danes - Book III - Saxo Grammaticus
- Everyman Edda (Prose Edda) translated by Faulkes - pages 48-51 - Snorri
- Handbook on Norse Mythology - John Lindow
- The Pre-Christian Religions of the North - Volume III - Baldr - John Lindow
- Murder and Vengeance Among the Gods: Baldr in Scandinavian Mythology - John Lindow
- Loki in Scandinavian Mythology - Anna Birgitta Rooth
- Dictionary of Northern Mythology - Rudolf Simek
- Poetic Edda
- Prose Edda - Snorri
- History of Iceland - Gunnar Karlsson
- Verses of the Husdrapa Collected by the Skaldic Project: skaldic.org/m.php?p=text&i=1492
00:00 - Intro
01:00 - The God of Light
03:44 - Saxo's Balderus
06:10 - Baldur the Hero, Hodr the Villian & Mistletoe
08:05 - Snorris Baldur
10:04 - Murder, Conspiracy and Loki
11:22 - Death of Fergus
12:21 - Baldurs Invincibility
14:43 - Husdrapa & The Funeral
20:33 - Praxis with a Dead Deity
26:12 - Hels Companion, Fallen Warrior
"Even though you can't sharpen it!" sent me lmao
Best part
Same, lol. 😂
Was it mistletoe before it was made a mistle or simply toe? I’ve threatened to turn my toe into a mistle, by launching it at a posterior. So kiss me this X-mas or I will!
I thought it was mistletoe Wrapped Around an arrow or a spear
Straight into Baldr's heart!
Baldur as a god of mourning rather than death proper makes sense. The theme of weeping in Snorri’s version. Frigg’s attempt to prevent his death. The failure to resurrect him. These could be ways to express the stages of grief in mythic format.
Hey.. tell me Stonehenge is related with paganism ?
@@Brothers-10-10 YES BRO CELTIC PAGANS DO WORSHIP AND RITUAL EVERY YEAR ON SPECIFIC DAY IT THE STONAGE MADE BY GODS WHERE WATER OF IMMORTALITY CAME ETC ETC . MANY POLYTHEIST OLD PAGANS LEFT GENERATION AND NEW GENERATION NEOPAGANS WORSHIP THE GODS THERE ITS A PAGAN HOLIDAY AND THEY CELEBRATE THEIR LIKE DIWALI AND THANKSGIVING
Baldr has a connection with the Phoenician BA'AL (also called "Ba'al Adir"). This has been established by linguists like Theo Vennemann. The Phoenicians were in the North, and had an impact on early Germanic language and religion. The idea of a dying god is thought to have originated with the Phoenicians, and so there is mythic grief here, like you said...
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@@theobastiaan5943 But it was the Phoenicians who introduced it to the North.
Baldur's dash sounds like a useful move, but I'm not sure I can pull it off
for you see
I don't have Baldur's gait
How do we start that slow rising clap in text?
"I wish our great city had a gate".
Baldur:
The sass in the text was pure gold.
You hit it on the head for me, with the gifts from the dead. He's gone, but he's still there in a way, much like our ancestors.
I always took the Tokk bit as "doesn't matter how good or likeable you are; not everyone will like you, and you're not excused from the afterlife." Lol
“Pagans writing stuff down challenge: Scandinavia edition (IMPOSSIBLE)” 💀💀💀
Don't burn out on this....many of your videos have helped me on my norse path and heal the mental confusion and scars of growing up in a church of contradiction
The Edda was written by an Icelandic Priest and is more in line with Monotheistic Religions then you probably want to believe.
@@TheBlackfall234 cool story bro
@@nightwolfpence890 Not a story, facts.
@@TheBlackfall234I bet you think pointing that out makes you "more" Heathen.
@@thedoorman32 not at all, its more that im a fan of education.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HYPED I AM RN
Edit: Welcome back, man. Glad to see you're doing great.
Thanks so much!
@@OceanKeltoicould you send me a discor link the one in he description is expired
European Mistletoe is poisonous, just like the American variant. However druids and ancient people praised mistletoe for "healing properties," and it symbolises things like vitality and fertility (like Baldur).
It's possible that the deceptive dichotomy between what mistletoe represents (life) versus what it actually does (poisoning you) is represented in the the myth. The Mistletoe is the only thing in all the Nine Realms that refuses Freyja's deal, and thus can harm Baldur. It is seen as innocent and joyful, but is deadly to even the most lovable of the gods.
In practicality, I believe that mistletoe could have (or at least was believed to) been used as a poisonous application on something such as an arrow or the blade of a sword. In a more magical sense, perhaps simply the presence of mistletoe weakens Baldur, like some kind of Norse kryptonite.
misttletoe is also parasitic to other plants, able to suck up fluids from the trunk, thoguh is also able to do photsynthesis , so yeah not very harmless
It's an evergreen plant so in the dead of winter when deciduous trees have lost their leaves they can still appear alive with mistletoe on their branches.
Although mistletoe is poisonous it isn't extremely lethal so it wouldn't do you much good to apply it on your weapon. Also if you can wound them with a sword than that's basically that. Just stab them again. Giving them diarrhea in the middle of battle does sound funny though.
Many things that are considered poisonous or dangerous to human's.. in some form or another actually in small doses usually
have healing properties under supervision of course.
I always associate Baldr with a star. The shining white light in the darkness. And his death and rebirth would be a star constellation disappearing and reappearing with the year. Idk why but I feel like he would be quiet and kind of comforting, providing a few words of guidance here and there.
We thought Ocean Keltoi was bald, but that guy is Baldr!
I've had baldur on my altar for a bit. I've prayed to him, as a god of joy, for mental health help. He delivered, just in a different way than eir.
Stonehenge is related with paganism ?
@@Brothers-10-10 I'd say so, but what's that have to do with my comment?
@@Brothers-10-10 no because it existed long before the Celts and neither we have any sources of it being worshipped
That’s not smart.
Another Derrek with the proper spelling ... lol hail and health!
Yesterday I saw the video on Old Norse religion that Let's Talk Religion posted, and was like hm I wonder where is Ocean, I dont think he posted in months..
Take care of yourself, whatever that requires.
Living is enough, and often times that’s all we can do. That said, it does me good to see you making content once again.
Thank you.
If being dead doesn't stop Osiris from being an active and important god, I dont see why the same wouldn't apply to Baldr
NGL, never thought I'd find my call among the Gods of my ancestors. I've watched this video over and this is the third time the Hail to Baldur and the kennings at the end had me in tears without me knowing why. I got ritual to get to, it seems. Keep up the good work. You m8ght consider some of this work part of your give and take with the Gods. Spreading their worship through simple honesty and observation is no small thing for their greater works.
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@@ColoradoStreaming lol, Heilung and Wardruna are already regulars on my playlists.
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I can't help but see some similarities between Baldr and Sol Invictus and Belenus. Your interpretation of him as a god of funerals certainly makes sense, some runestones depict scenes that are asociated with his funeral such as hyrrokin, the giantess that pushes his boat. Congratulations for 100.000 subscribers, your videos are really good and i'm looking forward for more of them!
@@clinton5330 Well no one's saying that really. I just think that looking at other cultures with similar deities can help us understand our own pantheons.
@clinton5330 "These gods are similar in how they're worshipped in their respective traditions, it could be useful to further research this to see if there are any patterns to glean from this" =/= "all these gods are actually the same god"
You could also see a commonality between Baldur and Osiris…
@@grimnir2922 all gods from all beliefs exist and can be worshipped separately. they are different. our Gods are not a copy of one another. and certainly have nothing to do with Egyptian Gods as azraelsblade has mentioned lol.
True polytheism involves different gods who are not one mind or one essence in any sense. They can oppose each other, and one may worship one god without worshipping others.
@@clinton5330 Could you maybe learn to read? I said they're not the same sentences. But to say that humans have never related each others gods for as long as we've had them is naive and disingenuous. So Wotan, Odin, Oðin, all wholly separate, no connections whatsoever, none at all nope different guys everyone, forget history or language or culture evolving as it does, everything is just *static* and the gods have remained exactly the same since we've begun to worship them.
Uurrrrgh... I'm in the dying process. This gives me more to ponder. Excellent analysis: thank you!
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And that definition of Baldur Dash is balderdash, lol
Thanks for another great video! I haven't given much thought to Baldr in my practice, and I'm still unsure what to make of him. I had a sense that he was associated with the cyclical nature of the year, and seem to recall a reference to him around Yule to celebrate the return of sunlight.
I'm glad that you're video has given some new perspectives on Baldr that may help me develop my own views.
Also, congrats on 100k!
Hey... Telll me Stonehenge is related with paganism ?
It's not an Ocean video if I don't facepalm at the beginning of it. enjoy my comment offering to the algorithm gods.
I’m glad to see you’re still making content. I really appreciate your work, and your contribution to the heathen community.
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I hadn't considered Baldur until now... I'm still very new to Heathenry. I like your vision of Baldur as a God of grief and host of the dead in Helheim. I find it comforting that I will go to Helheim when I die and that it may be Baldur that greets me and offers me the high seat at my funeral feast when I arrive there.
Baldr has a connection with the Phoenician BA'AL (also called "Ba'al Adir"). This has been established by linguists like Theo Vennemann. The Phoenicians were in the North, and had an impact on early Germanic language and religion. Ba'al was also a dying god, and also involves grief. Now, Baldr is a Norse god in his own right, but the connection is pretty neat.
Saw announcement, ran to video. Grats on 100k Ocean!
I really appreciate your videos not only for the content, but also for your engaging presentation style (quite a way with puns 😂). I also find the links to other videos you’ve made and to further reading on the topic. I don’t think there’s ever been a video of yours that I didn’t get a topic to journal about for my growth and study because there’s so much to think about. Thanks for all you do ❤
Oh boy, today is going to be a great day!
Definitely getting a vibe similar to Osiris. A god of death who worked from the land of the dead to bring blessings and protect ancestors
Another amazing video!! Thank you, Ocean, for all your continuous hard work, insight and hilarious puns! I absolutely love your videos, always looking forward to the next one.
Honestly, your videos are some of the only ones I rewatch from time to time. They are nuggets of insight, full of of great knowledge!
Baldr has a connection with the Phoenician BA'AL (also called "Ba'al Adir"). This has been established by linguists like Theo Vennemann. The Phoenicians were in the North, and had an impact on early Germanic language and religion. It's really rather beautiful to know. And yes, Jesus has got NOTHING to do with it.
It's grossly offensive to both faiths 1 to the pagans germaninists who see their faiths as there distinct cultural heritage and Christains who view jesus as the 1 and only son of God.
The people at fault are the Jesus mythists and the atheists who lump radically different fiaths into 1 box
its been a year since ive watched this channel and the intro pun got me
Hail! Hail to Ocean! We missed your videos! We Missed YOU!!!! Thank you 🌞
“Babe wake up, new Ocean vid just dropped.”
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“….so?”
I miss your videos man, hope you upload soon
I would absolutely claim that mistletoe can be sharpened. I have a piece of sharp mistletoe in my hand right now.
I feel like it’s been too long. You’re always a breath of fresh air Ocean. Love your videos.
Great video.
13:25 Achilles story came to mind in regards to baldur’s mother
Ocean.... you have been back a single day, and we get... Balderdash.... just... Balderdash.😂
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Great to see a new posting!
Love this, thx, and congrats on 100k
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Great video, ocean! Thanks for putting it together. It's definitely worth more than one watch. Welcome back, and congrats on 100k! 🎉
🎉 woohoo 100k!!
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So happy to see a new video! Thanks Ocean, made my day!
Absolutely fantastic as always ocean!!
I'd love to see your take on Freya in her own video someday. Not that there isn't already plenty of information, I just love your art of story telling!
Incredible video as always Ocean! So glad to see you posting again!
FINALLY ANOTHER VIDEO THANK YOUUU
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Sooo.. Saxo's version was basically God of War series, but only like 8~9 centuries earlier than what we have these days!!
Gratz on the 100k!
SO good to have you back!
Good to have you back!
Really glad to see ocean uploads again .
I am so glad to see a new video out. Thank you for as always giving me some new way of looking at the old ways
Thank you for another great video.
I enjoy listening to your thoughts on things.
Glad you’re back!
Another excellent video. Lots of this got me thinking about some things a little differently, which is awesome!
Also, the fucking Suitcase Jesus slow-crawl just kills me every. single. time.
Thanks for putting so much time and effort into these, it really does show in your work.
The more I learn about Saxo's writings. The more i feel like, while I like the _depictions_ of the gods in GoWR. I feel like their _characterisations_ (Odin as a manipulative wizard, Thor as the dullard henchman of the gods) aligns with Saxo's negative depictions of them and...idk it sours it a bit.
Seeing you in my feed absolutely made my day! Thank you and congratulations on 100K.
congratulations on reaching 100k! looking forward to more videos in the future.
Congratulations on 100k! Was so excited to see you had posted again!
So happy to see yet another quality video from Ocean!
fascinating stuff as always, and congrats on the milestone!
Glad you’re back
Welcome back man, another banger
We love your content ocean!! Your knowledge know no bounds
Congratulations Keltoi! Thank you for another great video😊
I am so thankful for your work. I was missing it and having withdrawals. Thank you
This was a long time coming! Glad to have you back man!
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Love the entry pun as usual.
Great Video! Ocean Keltoi Once again !
Well researched. Excellent ideas
Thanks for this 😊I found it at the right time. Much appreciated.
Welcome back! Missed ya. I learned a lot from this breakdown. Very interesting!
So good to see you back, looking well and in-form! I might have to watch this again, there's so much there to think about.
I love this video thank you, it's given me some realizations
🎉 I cannot tell you how excited I am to see you are back. Congratulations on 100k ❤
Thank you! I always enjoy your sense of humor, and the fact that you try to have a balanced view in regards to elements like this makes the grade.
THE KING IS BACK!!!! Thank you for the amazing content as always!
YES MORE VIDEOS BROTHER!
Amazing breakdown and very informative! Hopefully this will bring a clearer understanding.
Fantastic as usual! Particularly good explanation of how it informs your personal practice after laying out all the academia ❤
Love your videos
Congrats on 100k! Your videos only grow my fascination and appreciation for Norse paganism. Keep up the great work! I'm very much looking forward to your next video and don't be afraid to take a break. Mental health is very important!
Hilarious **and** informative. Not sure how this could possibly have been better. Great work once again. Thank you. 🙏
Missed you Ocean. Hope the channel keeps growing
Your videos are very unique and I always find them entertaining, thanks in part to your natural gift of weaving puns. Oh. And congrats on the Silver Play Button. You deserve it.
Congratulations on 100K+! So glad to see a new vid! This is an amazing perspective on Baldur. Like many I, too, have been unsure on how to include him in my practice. The God of Lamentations and guide in the afterlife of Helheim makes so much sense.
I live for the puns at the beginning of Ocean's videos
Quality information, content, and humor, what more could you ask for?
Nice to see you back!!
Also purely from a storytelling perspective, I really enjoy the idea that “mistletoe” was just the name of a sword lol
Congrats on your return
And...your 100k button!! Long overdue,but great,all in all!! Good vid,lots to chew on.. Thanks!!
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We missed you man! Glad you're back🎉
You're my favorite Heathen on the otherside of the Atlantic! Keep on the good work and congrats!!
Yea!! You're back! I was getting worried about you.
Glad you made this one. Definitely makes me want to look into him more. I’m a big ancestor guy and this thought is a big help in my connection to that. Thank you
Yay! A video. These have been so educational for us heathens. Thank you for your work and here is to PACING OURSELVES!
Great video, as always, and congratulations on the plaque!!!
Excellent view on getting into Saxo and Snori's telling of the stories of Baldr and their biases that determine their tales.
I've often held a MUCH similar opinion.
Good to see you again.
Great video, thank you! And congratulations on 100k subscribers.