I thought the Royal Marine commando are equivalent to US Marine Infantry, Later I realized that they were under the same pipeline of 75th Rangers and Force Recon.
RMC's are tough SOB's any many have either failed the entry test or training course and there is no shame in that. I personally believe they are only second to the SAS/SBS.
They've been testing teams from anything with just four man units' six man units, to this twelve man strong unit, testing different ways of operating, with more new and modern tactics in both preparations and operations using the Future Commando Force to go back to doing a more traditional form of British Royal Marines Commandos operations, but as I said with newer improved tactics of operation. It's a State of Mind. Impossible Challenges, Because what a Royal Marine does is change what's an impossible task in to a possible one, they decide what's possible.
@@Robertsmith001 That’s changed, under the new FCF programme they are returning to their original Commando/spec ops role from WW2. Just because they operated as infantry in recent wars such as Afghanistan it doesn’t mean they are not also spec ops capable, their training is 3x longer than the regular infantry.
40 are probably grateful to be out of Taunton and in the sun, that is not a war zone for a change. I bet they are scramming down at the RAF cook house, so this a holiday for them.
Teams of 12 is genius. 12 has more multiples than 8 meaning you have a more flexible team. You can have 3 teams of 4, 2 teams of 6 or 4 teams of 3, even 6 teams of 2.
Yea, multiples are really versatile. We were using them in NI for years and later in Afghanistan. You can patrol in depth with 3x 4 man bricks giving mutual support, meet up at prearranged grids to make an 8 man VCP with a 4 man satellite, or 2x 6 man teams supporting each other. They are a good size for a basic fighting patrol or small scale ambush.
Small units are going to be in the double digit strength come the future. As much as we'd like to believe we will be fighting unconventional foes forever, it is likely conventional war will be fought sometime soon. The USMC is increasing their squad size from 13-15, and the CAF is pressing to make infantry sections at least 10 soldiers strong. More soldiers means more barrels on the enemy, more weaponry to be carried and at a greater variety as well, the squad/section is experiencing a rebirth as it did in the First World War.
Why are you comparing USMC to RMC? RMC are Special Operations Commandos mate, USMC are infantry. RMC will operate in small teams 4-12 men behind enemy lines.
So is this being trialled to be implemented as well as the 4 man teams that are being tested to give more flexibility depending on the job rather than having just 4 man or 12 man teams?
They are talking on working in less fixed group sizes, so am guessing 12 is the best starting size as it has the most factors, ie most different options for little team sizes
@@lachlanchester8142 I reckon Mike thinks the Marine Frederick Jones is most likely an officer. That's what I thought too. Very articulate for an OR-2 but I have seen them tbf.
Well a quick check of the 'Defence email directory' (not the systems actual name but I'm guessing you're civilians so wouldn't know what it is if I called it by its actual name) ... shows a Lt F Jones at 40 Cdo
12 blokes gives you the flexibility and muscle to operate independently. 8 man sections are limited and most of the time in reality are 5 or 6 blokes due to leave and courses etc.
@@JammyDodger45 I found other ways in without the traditional application process, I was also supported by a couple people to get in and so I had the opportunity to actually get in., but I was never technically able to apply as I was literally blocked from getting passed a certain stage no matter how well I did.
Not a bad idea really given marines high level of training and self-motivation. However if troop sizes are dropping from 30 to 12 then surely that means 3 Commando Brigade will have to expand and create new commandos (battalions) to accommodate the new troops formed. Unless 3 Commando Brigade is having its overall size and number of marines cut down.
These are sections (squads in some other militaries). So the section size is increasing from 8 to 12, which as the video said allows them to have more specialists, as well as giving them more options in terms of dividing up into fire teams, etc. As far as I know, the Royal Marines are changing in size. They'll just take every three sections or so (it'll be different in practice due to specialisations) and turn them into two sections, if this trial goes well.
@@TopHatHat what’s the advantage of that? Adding more troops to a section isn’t beneficial to a specialised force. That makes marines more similar to infantry than less I would suggest.
Great!! I'm sure the Chinese milatary is loving this free Intel, as they test to spray all of the 'advancing 12 man teams' with 12 million advancing Chinese troops.
I'm sure that this bit of open source intel on TH-cam, on the British Forces' own propaganda network, is what will make the difference in lives, not all the massive intelligence failures that you don't know about that compromise communications and signals security between the marine and the handheld drone they'll be using for realtime battlefield intelligence assessment, you twit.
One thing nobody seems to consider about the Chinese military. The last time they saw any combat was in Vietnam so none of the fighting troops have seen any action. The "little emperor" culture has also greatly softened them as male children have not seen any form of hardship within the officer classes. Basically any form of accurate resistance and they would likely withdraw
Please define the term "Team" since it has many different values. Firstly are we Increasing the overall size of a Battalion? Are we decreasing the overall size? Are we integrating "support" units into teams? What is the logic behind this? IS THIS COST SAVING? Is this a "REAL INVESTMENT" to enhance and increase the Royal Marines? = that is what PM BoJo has promised!
It's none of that. The whole change is so the RMs have an actual defined role and so don't get scrapped. The RM aren't changing size, individual sections are just going from 8 to 12 men.
Keep it up lads! All the best, from an Aussie.
I thought the Royal Marine commando are equivalent to US Marine Infantry,
Later I realized that they were under the same pipeline of 75th Rangers and Force Recon.
I think the Royal Marines has the toughest entry requirements in the world from civilian to soldier, I believe. Special people.
@@Lowdo1549 me too
It’s an 8 month long training course just for the enlisted, with an extra 8 months for officers
RMC's are tough SOB's any many have either failed the entry test or training course and there is no shame in that. I personally believe they are only second to the SAS/SBS.
@@DoughnutsInspace generally Royal Marines go to SBS
They've been testing teams from anything with just four man units' six man units, to this twelve man strong unit, testing different ways of operating, with more new and modern tactics in both preparations and operations using the Future Commando Force to go back to doing a more traditional form of British Royal Marines Commandos operations, but as I said with newer improved tactics of operation.
It's a State of Mind.
Impossible Challenges, Because what a Royal Marine does is change what's an impossible task in to a possible one, they decide what's possible.
Amazing work!
Great rule Britannia 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Lmao even the reporter got in on the gear 😂
Glad to see the marines going back to the ‘commando’ style SF units rather than the infantry role.
Don’t be fooled, They’re still regular infantry.
@@airhab erm no their really not
@@user-cu7pk8dx7x Yes they are, they are deployed just like infantry. In Afghanistan, they were doing the same patrols as the army was doing
@@Robertsmith001 That’s changed, under the new FCF programme they are returning to their original Commando/spec ops role from WW2.
Just because they operated as infantry in recent wars such as Afghanistan it doesn’t mean they are not also spec ops capable, their training is 3x longer than the regular infantry.
@@Jake-pm3pzRoyal Marine training for other ranks is 32 weeks and the British army CIC is 26 weeks. So only 6 weeks longer for bootnecks
40 are probably grateful to be out of Taunton and in the sun, that is not a war zone for a change. I bet they are scramming down at the RAF cook house, so this a holiday for them.
Scranning? Right?
Teams of 12 is genius. 12 has more multiples than 8 meaning you have a more flexible team. You can have 3 teams of 4, 2 teams of 6 or 4 teams of 3, even 6 teams of 2.
Good to see em working together more
The 12 man team isnt a new concept , its how we patrolled in Northern Ireland & Iraq , its called a multiple .
Beat me to it, same in Afghanistan. They are RN so have to push it as new lol.
Yea, multiples are really versatile. We were using them in NI for years and later in Afghanistan. You can patrol in depth with 3x 4 man bricks giving mutual support, meet up at prearranged grids to make an 8 man VCP with a 4 man satellite, or 2x 6 man teams supporting each other. They are a good size for a basic fighting patrol or small scale ambush.
Minimum number of a fighting patrol. Nothing new under the sun.
I think you'll find the Marines are well aware of that but I'm sure they will contact you shortly to ask how its done:)
@@tonyjames5444 I doubt it. Too busy shirt lifting I suspect.
Is there a website with a detailed future orbat of 40/45 Commando.
Ahh LFTT is such a buzz! One of the best things you get to do!
Are they going back to a naval specialist role after 20 -30 years of an army infantry role?
Loving the new uni
Ace!!
Small units are going to be in the double digit strength come the future. As much as we'd like to believe we will be fighting unconventional foes forever, it is likely conventional war will be fought sometime soon. The USMC is increasing their squad size from 13-15, and the CAF is pressing to make infantry sections at least 10 soldiers strong. More soldiers means more barrels on the enemy, more weaponry to be carried and at a greater variety as well, the squad/section is experiencing a rebirth as it did in the First World War.
Why are you comparing USMC to RMC? RMC are Special Operations Commandos mate, USMC are infantry. RMC will operate in small teams 4-12 men behind enemy lines.
So is this being trialled to be implemented as well as the 4 man teams that are being tested to give more flexibility depending on the job rather than having just 4 man or 12 man teams?
Well depending on the situation it can vary but i think its three 4 man fire teams rather than 2 teams.
It isnt really a trial as both the army and Marines have used multiples in the past.
They are talking on working in less fixed group sizes, so am guessing 12 is the best starting size as it has the most factors, ie most different options for little team sizes
So they are now using the Army section?
Most of the army uses 8 man sections
Still use 8 men in a section
Testing new 12 strong teams.....Like the 12 man multiples we used in the 80's & 90's in NI then......😂
And Afghanistan
6-12 man teams, behind enemy lines mate
12 man team? Like the Special Forces ODA.
Or the multiples we used in northern Ireland and Iraq
‘Marine’ Frederick Jones....🤔
What’s wrong with that
@@lachlanchester8142 I reckon Mike thinks the Marine Frederick Jones is most likely an officer. That's what I thought too. Very articulate for an OR-2 but I have seen them tbf.
Well a quick check of the 'Defence email directory' (not the systems actual name but I'm guessing you're civilians so wouldn't know what it is if I called it by its actual name) ... shows a Lt F Jones at 40 Cdo
@@JammyDodger45 Royals are trying to have our eyes out here lads 😂
It's all about 'Dislocation of Expectations' a classic Commando Modus Operandi.
😁
Interesting. And that's the old Ranger section of WWII they're using, so, once again, everything old is new again.
12 blokes gives you the flexibility and muscle to operate independently. 8 man sections are limited and most of the time in reality are 5 or 6 blokes due to leave and courses etc.
Marine Frederick Jones, future Corps RSM 😄👍🏼
Are you Marine Frederick Jones mother? 😁
He’s an officer
Had I not been barred by the system itself from even having a chance of getting into basic training I would’ve applied for the RMC.
So what's with your 'profile pic' then?
@@JammyDodger45 I found other ways in without the traditional application process, I was also supported by a couple people to get in and so I had the opportunity to actually get in., but I was never technically able to apply as I was literally blocked from getting passed a certain stage no matter how well I did.
@@ragewielder3098 - so you weren't a Bootneck but you are familiar with the camp gates off Napier Road?
@@JammyDodger45 what colour are the gates? ;)
@@centrica1234 - 😂.
I'm not sure but I know what colour the boathouse is!
12 man teams? Being modeled after ODA teams?
Probably not , just making it bigger so they can have more specialists in a section
What about Royal Marines Mountain Leaders. Iv heard they same as the PW branch. 😂😂😂😂
12 man multiples are not new.
Clash of the Titans
Not a bad idea really given marines high level of training and self-motivation.
However if troop sizes are dropping from 30 to 12 then surely that means 3 Commando Brigade will have to expand and create new commandos (battalions) to accommodate the new troops formed.
Unless 3 Commando Brigade is having its overall size and number of marines cut down.
its 12 instead of 8, the size is actually increasing
These are sections (squads in some other militaries). So the section size is increasing from 8 to 12, which as the video said allows them to have more specialists, as well as giving them more options in terms of dividing up into fire teams, etc.
As far as I know, the Royal Marines are changing in size. They'll just take every three sections or so (it'll be different in practice due to specialisations) and turn them into two sections, if this trial goes well.
@@TopHatHat what’s the advantage of that? Adding more troops to a section isn’t beneficial to a specialised force. That makes marines more similar to infantry than less I would suggest.
@@maxpowerii7368 Theyre going back to the ww2 roots apparently
Troops aren't changing, sections are just getting more people.
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Great!! I'm sure the Chinese milatary is loving this free Intel, as they test to spray all of the 'advancing 12 man teams' with 12 million advancing Chinese troops.
Chinese soldiers got their a** kicked in Korea
I'm sure that this bit of open source intel on TH-cam, on the British Forces' own propaganda network, is what will make the difference in lives, not all the massive intelligence failures that you don't know about that compromise communications and signals security between the marine and the handheld drone they'll be using for realtime battlefield intelligence assessment, you twit.
One thing nobody seems to consider about the Chinese military. The last time they saw any combat was in Vietnam so none of the fighting troops have seen any action. The "little emperor" culture has also greatly softened them as male children have not seen any form of hardship within the officer classes.
Basically any form of accurate resistance and they would likely withdraw
Please define the term "Team" since it has many different values.
Firstly are we Increasing the overall size of a Battalion?
Are we decreasing the overall size?
Are we integrating "support" units into teams?
What is the logic behind this?
IS THIS COST SAVING?
Is this a "REAL INVESTMENT" to enhance and increase the Royal Marines? = that is what PM BoJo has promised!
It's none of that. The whole change is so the RMs have an actual defined role and so don't get scrapped. The RM aren't changing size, individual sections are just going from 8 to 12 men.
Good move, they can surrender 12 at a time.
What
🎣.
Still funny though, although wholly inaccurate.
Is this a Falkland joke
Extremely overated.
Why are you telling us what your boyfriend feels about your sexual ability?
Very odd but thanks for sharing.