Bunch of stuff on order for a major upgrade. Especially excited for the (3)12/200 lithium smart batteries to arrive. Today I ordered a few Ruvvi’s for an additional touch. Love the Victron system and especially can’t wait to get DVVC set up so all components integrate properly.
Ik heb aan boord een BVM 602. Kan ik deze behouden en dan toch een smart shunt toevoegen om de voltage , current en SOC ook op mijn Iphone app (zoals van mijn solar mppt) te kunnen zien.kan ik de smart shunt in serie zetten met de shunt van de BVM 602?
Ljkt me sterk dat het in serie zetten van de 602 shunt met een smart shunt de metingen zou beinvloeden. Wel als de shunts niet in serie zouden staan. De iets verhoogde weerstand kan toch niet zo een grote invloed hebben. Het gaat toch niet over een precisiemeting.
Het gaat wel degelijk om een precisie meting maar dat is niet het grootse gevaar bij shunts in serie, Een extra weerstand (wat een shunt is) zal zorgen dat met name bij hogere stromen er meer verlies en een grote kans op rimpelspanning optreedt bij gebruik van omvormers.
Thanks Johannes, great information! I have my Lynx BMS connected to my Cerbo GX via VE.Can. The other VE.Can port on my Cerbo is in use for my Hybrid network. I like to connect my NMEA 2000 network to the Cerbo GX in order to see my tank levels. My question: Can I free up a VE.Can port on the Cerbo GX by using the BMS-Can port for the Lynx BMS? If so, do I need to change settings? What do I do with the terminator in the BMS-Can 2nd port? Thanks, Jeroen.
Yes, CAN port can be used for multiple devices, as long as they share the same quadrate (Kb/s) , In the menu this value can be seen/set. normally terminators are used in all open slots, when the port isn't used at all this isn't needed
hi////i have the victron bmv602s wired battery shunt,can you tell me if it can be used with the victron ve direct connect cable to a raspberry venos software
I sure would like to see you guys add the ability to have a couple different charge profiles that we could easily switch between with vrm or the cerbo touch. Since it's not good to store LiFePo4 above 70-80% soc it would be nice if you could easily select between full charge and storage charge so it stopped charging when it hit that maximum state of charge.
Good news is there will be the ability to switch the inverter on/off/charger only on VRM shortly. Changing charge profiles isn't included. Main reason is that with our charge voltage we are already on the conservative side and the battery cell isn't at 100% anyway (although we do call it that) so there is no reason to have the charger stop much sooner.
when charging the battery with 14.2V on a 12V LFP the cells aren't at their max so could remain there without suffering on lifespan. so switching to a lower value doesn't make sense. in float it will be reduced anyway I would add.
Hello, can somebody help me with the settings/wiring from the Lynx BMS? I have a question about the multipin connector from the Lynx BMS. Pin1 and 2 goes to the Cerbo. 10 and 11 are bridged. ATC/ATD and Relay are not connected. My charger is an Skylla I. Batteries are victron as well. Connection between Skylla, Lynx BMS and Cerbo ist VE. Can. What settings and Connection I need that the Skylla stop charging when batteries temperature is too low to charge? In my case, the Lynx BMS disconnected (with the internal contactor) the batteries from the distributor and send an ATC/ATD alarm. ATC is okay and normal, but why not ATD? Best regards Robert
Johannes, love these videos, learn so much every time. My question ... Bottom line, can I use Bluetooth as a replacement for VEdirect cable to connect a smart shunt to a Cerbo GX? ... Question background: on a boat, I am thinking about primary house back 24v with 1000A Smart Shunt, pony secondary house back for 12v loads (NMEA2000, VHF, etc.) with 500A smart shunt, and then engine and generator staring battery bank with 500A smart shunt. I then want to add one or two solar charge controllers. I would prefer to use solar MPPT charge controllers with VEdirect, over VE.CAN if I could (many more options). But I want all 3 banks, and 2 charge controllers (and 24v/8000 Quattro) to show up on Cerbo GX, that only has 3 VEdirect ports. Is the bluetooth network simply for sharing data from shunts directly to charge controllers, or can it be used as replacement for VEdirect cable to allow shunt (or charge controller) to share data with Cerbo GX? Thank you so much!
No, Ve direct is the way you should monitor the product with a Cerbo, this cannot be done with bluetooth (which is for temporarily monitoring and setting up)
I purchased a 12v 30a 3 output charger and when I set it up to charge 2 batteries it buzzes so loud I can hear it from 15m away. I put it on the night mode and it was still loud. I monitored the temp and it says they can get up to 50 deg c but this hit 58 deg and there's no sign of a cooling fan operating...smoke test near vents. Surely this isn't normal. Also are these made in india?
Hi, I've got a Blue Solar 12/24V-10A controller, with a single panel connected to my service battery in my camper. All functions correctly, except the LED Display at the top right, which is fully RED when I press the "power" button below. I reconnected everything, battery first of course, but still red. There is no manual or app where this is described. Can you help me? thx in advance
I have the the 150/100 and 150/60 MPPTs running into a Lynx distributor>through a LynxShunt(1000)>to Lynx Power In. I also have a Quattro 24/5000/120 with all four connected to the CerboGX. The volatges I get at each unit vary as expected but for some reason the LynxShunt I get a much lower reading than the others. I decided to get the Smart Battery Sense just to reassure myself what the acutal battery voltage is and have the MPPTs use those for their charge guidance. Is there some way I'm missing to get the LynxShunt to get alligned with the other devices to show a more accurate voltage since that's what is prominently displayed on VRM? I have the Quattro battery monitor also showing on VRM but I would like to have the Lynx reporting correctly to get a better since of time to go. Also is there anyway to get the Smart Battery Sense to show on VRM?
Hey Johannes, quick question here: how long does it take for EasySolar II to switch to battery in case of electric network failure? The description of MultiPlus II reads that it takes some 20ms, enough for a PC not to switch off - does it apply to EasySolar II as well or does it work differently?
Depends if the UPS setting is on/off , fastest is ON. then the exact moment of switching depends on the moment of switching on the sine wave. When unlucky you switch at the top of the sine wave and the unit expects the voltage to drop to 0V as will happen, but detects the grid failed when the voltage doesnt go to the lower part of the sine wave, then you have the 20ms delay. On most other moments of switching its shorter. Switchin means also that you go from the the grid voltage to the inverter voltage which can be quite different, this also can make a switch mode power supply stop/restart.
I think I like the Tech Talk videos the most, thought other seminars are fascinating. I am designing a portable solar battery for camping and power outage emergencies. I am considering your Lynx buss systems and looking at your smart shunt, master switch, and fusing systems, but I need this portion of the circuit as compact as possible. What Victron parts are suggested to fit my requirements? (I have 4 280ah LiFePO cells and a 200A Daly smart BMS)
thank you for the compliment! On your question, it depends how much current you need to transfer to your inverter or dc load. As the BMS doe 200A I assume the average load is far less, so then a row Lynx modules would be a bit overdoing it I guess. Would a Smartshunt/Lynx distributor only be the best solution here?
Hello Johannes, I have a question regarding connection Multiplus II to TN-C distribution. In my house I have L + PEN only (all circuits), so is it possible to connect Multiplus II to this or is it not? If not, please could you tell me why? thank you
Yes, you can switch the ground relay on/off if you prefer to have the N joined to PE in inverter mode or not. For the inverter its not relevant on which type distribution you are.
with a mppt connected to 2 pv inputs and a quattro connected to 2 pv inputs for a total of 4kw; will both charge a battery at the same time? which one will be in control of the charging to turn them to float charge or off?
yes , that's not something standard of course , but its possible. this requires a manual or automatic operating of the system (which needs to be written)
Would it not make sense for the battery protect setting to take into account the discharge current and the battery's internal resistance, so you wouldn't have to fiddle with the setting if your discharge current changes?
This a question that i can't find a good answer online: Regarding the surge protection in an RV installation with 2 Victron Multiplus 3000VA working together, Do you recommend a type 1 surge protector like "Square D - HEPD80" on the AC input line for protection against surges caused by lighting while connected to shore power? Do you recommend a type 2 surge protector like "Square D - HOM2175SB" on the AC output line inside the main fuse box to protect against surges created by appliances inside the RV while connected/not connected to shore power? How well Victron Multiplus can handle surges inside the RV while connected or not connected to the shore power without a type 2 surge protector?
Our experiences are that for lighting the surge protection doesn't protect the electronics well so can help on this I am afraid. The Multiitself isn't protected again this and like any other electronic can be damaged even with a indirect hit.
@@johannesboonstra6917 thanks for your reply, what about the second part of my question about type 2 surge protector related to surges created by appliances inside?
HELLO! In my system I have a smart shunt, a smart battery sens, three smartsolar 75/15 and one phoenix inverter 24/1200. All connected to a Venus gx monitor. If I'm going to install one Orion DC-DC charger to Venus GX, is this capeble to find out where the extra power mesured from the smart shunt is coming from? tahnks
The Orion cannot communicate so if needed a smart shunt can be used to measure this if that's what you want to see. the data will appear on the device list and the VRM portal (not on the dashboard /overview)
Hello, if it's possible to turn the Shunt in the Lynx BMS that the power in is on the right side? This would we great. The manual said Battery's always left. In my application the Battery's are on the right side. Best regards Robert
Well its not just a matter of wiring the shunt, its also determined were the internal power supply is ect. So no you cannot swap to the right , BUT, you can mount the unit "upside down" and use the stickers to have the wording on the front correct again.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Hello, thank you. With the Lynx Shunt VE it's possible. (Changing only the five wires...) What are the technical reasons that this modification isn't possible with the Lynx BMS? Upside-down is no option.... Best regards Robert
@@robertstuckle6198 because a BMS is something else than a battery monitor. the reason is in the design of the BMS itself. If upside down is no option then there is no other option then to use longer DC cables I am afraid.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Hello, thank you for the answer. Is the following next model with 1000A technical the same? Battery left without option to change?
I know, we are working hard to get as many as possible 120Vac models out. We are based/founded in Europe so logically there are more models for that area still. But it will come!
Quite simply the United States and North America are not the biggest market for Victron the European and worldwide market has a little bit more of a priority because Victron system are used extensively in these places also also the United States approval process is a pain
I have another question. I read on the LFP battery datasheet that you can connect 5 parallel batteries, 4 12v in series but only 2 24v in series, for a total of 1500A. I'm kind of confused. I take that as, setting up 20 12v batteries, with 5 in parallel to create 1 unit then i can connect 4 12v units in series to achieve 48v Or Setting up 10 24v batteries, 5 24v in parallel to make 1 unit and then connect 2 units in series to get 48V. So current is also another question, if i use 20 12v batteries with 300a each that's going to be 6000 amps of current. Or 10 24V at 200a each that's going to be 2000amps.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Yeah but here in Germany we need a Type B when there is some DC on the AC Side, but i got Informations from Victron over Support that both the Smaller one i have and the Big M2-XXXX System are galvanic sperated between AC and DC and so a Type A is fine.
I love you work, I am a mechanical engineer and I find your explanations very understandable. I have a UK made product branded powervault, which contains an inverter that looks exactly like a multiplus compact. Inside the powervault box, 12v AGM batteries are connected in series to make a 24v circuit. There is a paire of wires I don't understand, one red and one black. If I remove the inverter cover the wires are connected to the sense + - terminals. The wire ends are crimped together into an M8 black negative battery terminal making a short?? Also, a simple one winding coil has been created by looping the pair of wire through a short tube where the wire leaves the inverter. Question is what is the wire and where should I put it? If I where to guess, I would put it on the negative terminal on the wire that connects the battery + and -. I suspect that it is a battery temperature sensor. However I am not feeling lucky. Any ideas?
I went through a few datasheets of the inverter/charger but did not find the current for the AC bypass load. That's the second AC output that doesn't supply via batteries but only when the AC input is live. Because I'm thinking i could very well take the grid line ans connect to the inverter, like 15KVa with a 20Kva battery back, then connect fans, fridge, sockets and lights to the AC 1 output for continuous power, and then connect water heater, air conditioning system, other heavy duty appliances to AC 2 bypass output. Of course with all the Safety and circuit breaker etc. But then wont the AC output 2 ve overloaded? So what's the general current limit of the AC 2 output for all inverter/chargers?
the feedback relay is the passthrough current, also this can be seen in the model name (a 12/3000/120-16 has a 16A passthrough) larger models are able to passthrough more power.
I Own a Victron SmartBlue IP22 12/30 3 Output charger. I own two Victron SuperCycle 100ah AGM batteries in my boat. Can I change other battery to LiFePo4 battery and use Lithium program to charge both batteries at the same time or will the AGM SuperCycle be ruined?
You can only have one charge setting per charger, so the outputs will have the same voltage/absorbtion. Mainly due to the absorption time its not advised to have lead acid and lithiums on the same charger.
Thanks Johannes, great information here My question - I have bought a SmartSolar MPPT RS 450|100 (great to have high PV voltage charger by the way, nice work Victron!). I want to put as much PV on this unit as possible. I am using the Victron online MPPT calculator with my specific PV modules (Jinko 370W) and my local min (0 degrees C) and max (40 degrees C) temperature. The calculator says I can have a maximum of 8 modules in series in one array per tracker (ie - 2960W), but the RS450 datasheet says I can have up to 7200W per tracker. What is the max number of PV modules I can attached to this RS450? In what configuration? What happens if I over size the PV? Will the unit automatically clip? Or is there potential for damage? PV is cheap and I want to load up this charger to give me max generation during cloudy winter months Thanks a lot! This RS450 is awesome Hamish from New Zealand
Hello, To make a long story short , there are two hard limits you may not exceed. that's the PV max voltage (this will damage the unit instantly) and the max short circuit current, this will damage the unit (and battery) if something happens out of the ordinary. So then you could theoraticly say as the short circuit current is 20A and the max voltage 450, the max power which you could install is 360V (which is the Vmp at a 450V panel array) x 20A =7200Watt. The output will however limited to 5,7kW if you use both trackers (or 4kw) if you use one.
Johannes, can you please explain how the apart from capacity how the Victron Energy MultiPlus-II 48V 10000VA 140A 100A - PMP483105000 differs from the 48/5000/70-50? The Manual says that the VE.Bus communication port links in Three phase operation. Implying that it wont work in a single phase operation. I am looking for a Multiplus cabable of charging and discharging at say 70% of 100 amp. Thank you
Thank you for your information. Our electric car has a built-in wallbox with V2L, V2X 230V socket. I want to use the car batteries as home batteries. Which Victron product is suitable to manage PV production (5.5 kWp) energy use in the house, car charging and grid connection (injecting overproduction) simultaneously with this 230V car connection? In addition, a small battery in the basement for emergency power and power when the car is on the road.
@@johannesboonstra6917 After your answer this morning, I once again presented the problem to the dealer and now it appears that it is also possible to use the CCS connection in the car (310V-410V DC). Now I think and hope that, by means of a DC-DC converter, a simultaneous connection of E-Auto and the network to the Multiplus is possible. Is that correct?
Hi, there seems to be some confusion out in the Victron community about exactly what “Pass Thru” is on a Multiplus. I have the 3kw/120A/12v Mutli. It seems to go to Pass Thru mode when the Multi is set in Charger Only mode and the AC load demanded from the circuits exceeds the 240v supply threshold (16A typically). Pass Thru therefore seems to be a state whereby the Multi will take the total load demanded from the shorepower supply, regardless of load, and it may throw the breaker shoreside due to overload. If the Multi was “On” in the same circumstances then it would invert the excess over 16A. Is this correct? I had an Easyplus previously, it seemed to work differently and would automatically invert any excess over 16A even when in Charger Only mode - but that might be wrong, poor recollection. I’d be grateful if you would clarify the situation in one of your technical videos. Rob.
when on charger only the inverter function is disabled, so without shore the unit stops working, with shore power the power assist doesn't work. Only power is passed through..
@@johannesboonstra6917 thanks for the reply. This answer prompts a few more question on the build i was going to use. I was going to use the VE bus for the Charge /Load disconnect function If I dont use the BMS will i be able to program the Smart Battery Protects to do this as one of the programs on the Battery protect. The second part of my question is i was going to use the BMS with the Multi control panel will i be able to use a Cerbo unit with the Color display will this later combination give me all the functionality of the BMS/ Multi Control panel. Hope ive explained this
I have a 220v water heater (Nautic boiler B3) on my boat controlled by a switch. I would like to connect it so that it starts when I am in a float/storage state. I have multiple MPPTs, a Cerbo Gx and a Phoenix Inverter Smart. Can I use the relay function to achieve this? Should I use the connection to the inverter for that or another component in my setup?
Another question was how much current can a given inverter/charger handle for a battery Bank. By handle I don't mean charge but rather to control the mass of current. In a sense i can lift and carry 25 kg weight safely, but 50kg will be out of my handling capacity. Lets take a 3000W/12V unit, can it handle 1000 A of battery load? How about 2000A of battery load ? Whats the limit?
well, I dont understand the question (I think), an inverter takes power from a battery as much it needs. When that isn't available the inverter will stop working. so when you have 1200W load, there will be a 100A discharge current on a 12V battery
@@johannesboonstra6917 so the inverter has this pass through/bypass AC output 2, this output only works if the grid/generator/shore power is on and does not use the batteries. So my question is how much load can it handle? Can i put 50 A load on this bypass assuming my grid can handle it
My setup is 2 x 150 Ah Agm in serie with Mecer 2.4 Kv inverter.Like to use Victron Blue smart charger 12/15(1) 230 V to charge batteries .Do i use normal preset at 14.4 V or AGM spiral cell .Can i charge batteries in serie or 1 at a time.On battery info is charge voltage 14.4 V and float charge voltage 13.62V
Hi, thanks for this video. What I'm not sure - Do i really need Battery Protects and things like the "yellow cable" when I have just Victron products (Phoenix 12/1200, BlueSolar MPPT 100/30 and 75/15 , BMV 700) and a Venus GX?
If configured right most of these shut off is the battery is near a dangerous state however seems like a battery protect is a good idea especially if there is little charge coming in but the standby power of lots of things is slowly drain the back but in most cases the devices have been disabled by communication because the battery is low. They’re probably not going to draw it that much overnight.
Hi mate I have one of the older blue solar charge controllers It’s 150/85 mppt . It looks like the ones to your left in the video. Tall rectangular box.I would like to know if I can plug a ve bus dongle to it or similar so I can monitor it via Bluetooth .
Please contact the local Victron energy distributor or installer. You need to have some proper design work done on your system because panel voltage and things like that have to be calculated based on your geographical location so just finding what the Internet says may not be good.
Do u have any victron engineers in the rep of Ireland? . I've fitted a large 48v solar system with a 48v 560ah gel forklift battery attached and can get it full charged to last all night but yet the system is saying its full charged
Victron is too confusing. Even making a simple inverter choice: is it a hybrid, grid tie, or off grid inverter? Clear as mud. If it wasn't for youtube videos I'd be clueless.
haha, there are many situations which all require a different approach to make reliable system, we try to adapt hardware and software to as many systems possible, the core of the product line is the charger/inverter called Multi , most other products are a spin off of these
It’s important to know if you have completed the training you required to safely install these products. You will know that they are highly programmable. It’s better that they have one unit that can do one of these functions but you set it up how you want it also allows flexibility.
Bunch of stuff on order for a major upgrade. Especially excited for the (3)12/200 lithium smart batteries to arrive. Today I ordered a few Ruvvi’s for an additional touch. Love the Victron system and especially can’t wait to get DVVC set up so all components integrate properly.
Ik heb aan boord een BVM 602. Kan ik deze behouden en dan toch een smart shunt toevoegen om de voltage , current en SOC ook op mijn Iphone app (zoals van mijn solar mppt) te kunnen zien.kan ik de smart shunt in serie zetten met de shunt van de BVM 602?
Helaas is twee shunts in serie niet een goed idee vanwege de extra weerstand. De 602 vervangen door een 712 lijkt me de beste optie
Ljkt me sterk dat het in serie zetten van de 602 shunt met een smart shunt de metingen zou beinvloeden. Wel als de shunts niet in serie zouden staan. De iets verhoogde weerstand kan toch niet zo een grote invloed hebben. Het gaat toch niet over een precisiemeting.
Het gaat wel degelijk om een precisie meting maar dat is niet het grootse gevaar bij shunts in serie, Een extra weerstand (wat een shunt is) zal zorgen dat met name bij hogere stromen er meer verlies en een grote kans op rimpelspanning optreedt bij gebruik van omvormers.
Thanks Johannes, great information!
I have my Lynx BMS connected to my Cerbo GX via VE.Can. The other VE.Can port on my Cerbo is in use for my Hybrid network. I like to connect my NMEA 2000 network to the Cerbo GX in order to see my tank levels.
My question: Can I free up a VE.Can port on the Cerbo GX by using the BMS-Can port for the Lynx BMS? If so, do I need to change settings? What do I do with the terminator in the BMS-Can 2nd port? Thanks, Jeroen.
Yes, CAN port can be used for multiple devices, as long as they share the same quadrate (Kb/s) , In the menu this value can be seen/set. normally terminators are used in all open slots, when the port isn't used at all this isn't needed
hi////i have the victron bmv602s wired battery shunt,can you tell me if it can be used with the victron ve direct connect cable to a raspberry venos software
theoretically yes, but we dont actively support this so please check the community page to set this up further.
I sure would like to see you guys add the ability to have a couple different charge profiles that we could easily switch between with vrm or the cerbo touch. Since it's not good to store LiFePo4 above 70-80% soc it would be nice if you could easily select between full charge and storage charge so it stopped charging when it hit that maximum state of charge.
Good news is there will be the ability to switch the inverter on/off/charger only on VRM shortly. Changing charge profiles isn't included. Main reason is that with our charge voltage we are already on the conservative side and the battery cell isn't at 100% anyway (although we do call it that) so there is no reason to have the charger stop much sooner.
when charging the battery with 14.2V on a 12V LFP the cells aren't at their max so could remain there without suffering on lifespan. so switching to a lower value doesn't make sense. in float it will be reduced anyway I would add.
@@victrontech why 14.2? I charge at 14.6 per sok's recommendation.
@@caseypries7559 14,2 allows to have more longetivity in their use compared to 14.6
Hello, can somebody help me with the settings/wiring
from the Lynx BMS?
I have a question about the multipin connector from the Lynx BMS.
Pin1 and 2 goes to the Cerbo.
10 and 11 are bridged.
ATC/ATD and Relay are not connected.
My charger is an Skylla I.
Batteries are victron as well.
Connection between Skylla, Lynx BMS and Cerbo ist VE. Can.
What settings and Connection I need that the Skylla stop charging when batteries temperature is too low to charge?
In my case, the Lynx BMS disconnected (with the internal contactor) the batteries from the distributor and send an ATC/ATD alarm.
ATC is okay and normal, but why not ATD?
Best regards Robert
Please have a look at the manual as the terminals are decried in detail there.
Will the normal version work with a Victron Global Link 520?
I am sorry, work with what?
Johannes, love these videos, learn so much every time. My question ... Bottom line, can I use Bluetooth as a replacement for VEdirect cable to connect a smart shunt to a Cerbo GX? ... Question background: on a boat, I am thinking about primary house back 24v with 1000A Smart Shunt, pony secondary house back for 12v loads (NMEA2000, VHF, etc.) with 500A smart shunt, and then engine and generator staring battery bank with 500A smart shunt. I then want to add one or two solar charge controllers. I would prefer to use solar MPPT charge controllers with VEdirect, over VE.CAN if I could (many more options). But I want all 3 banks, and 2 charge controllers (and 24v/8000 Quattro) to show up on Cerbo GX, that only has 3 VEdirect ports. Is the bluetooth network simply for sharing data from shunts directly to charge controllers, or can it be used as replacement for VEdirect cable to allow shunt (or charge controller) to share data with Cerbo GX? Thank you so much!
No, Ve direct is the way you should monitor the product with a Cerbo, this cannot be done with bluetooth (which is for temporarily monitoring and setting up)
I purchased a 12v 30a 3 output charger and when I set it up to charge 2 batteries it buzzes so loud I can hear it from 15m away. I put it on the night mode and it was still loud. I monitored the temp and it says they can get up to 50 deg c but this hit 58 deg and there's no sign of a cooling fan operating...smoke test near vents. Surely this isn't normal. Also are these made in india?
When you have the idea its not functions right, please contact your dealer to have to checked.
Hi, I've got a Blue Solar 12/24V-10A controller, with a single panel connected to my service battery in my camper. All functions correctly, except the LED Display at the top right, which is fully RED when I press the "power" button below. I reconnected everything, battery first of course, but still red. There is no manual or app where this is described. Can you help me? thx in advance
you mean this one ?> www.victronenergy.nl/upload/documents/Manual-BlueSolar-Charge-Controller-12V-24V-10A-with-timer-EN.pdf
They have a Victron tool kit app to read the LEDs if not you have to go to the dealer distributor where it was purchased from
Any chance that a Quattro II 48/5000 2 x 120v will be released in the US? Is so, when?
not in the near future I am afraid, but on long term this could be
I have the the 150/100 and 150/60 MPPTs running into a Lynx distributor>through a LynxShunt(1000)>to Lynx Power In. I also have a Quattro 24/5000/120 with all four connected to the CerboGX. The volatges I get at each unit vary as expected but for some reason the LynxShunt I get a much lower reading than the others. I decided to get the Smart Battery Sense just to reassure myself what the acutal battery voltage is and have the MPPTs use those for their charge guidance.
Is there some way I'm missing to get the LynxShunt to get alligned with the other devices to show a more accurate voltage since that's what is prominently displayed on VRM? I have the Quattro battery monitor also showing on VRM but I would like to have the Lynx reporting correctly to get a better since of time to go.
Also is there anyway to get the Smart Battery Sense to show on VRM?
Hey Johannes, quick question here: how long does it take for EasySolar II to switch to battery in case of electric network failure? The description of MultiPlus II reads that it takes some 20ms, enough for a PC not to switch off - does it apply to EasySolar II as well or does it work differently?
Depends if the UPS setting is on/off , fastest is ON. then the exact moment of switching depends on the moment of switching on the sine wave. When unlucky you switch at the top of the sine wave and the unit expects the voltage to drop to 0V as will happen, but detects the grid failed when the voltage doesnt go to the lower part of the sine wave, then you have the 20ms delay. On most other moments of switching its shorter. Switchin means also that you go from the the grid voltage to the inverter voltage which can be quite different, this also can make a switch mode power supply stop/restart.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Thanks for the reply. Really appreciate the detailed explanation. Cheers!
I think I like the Tech Talk videos the most, thought other seminars are fascinating.
I am designing a portable solar battery for camping and power outage emergencies. I am considering your Lynx buss systems and looking at your smart shunt, master switch, and fusing systems, but I need this portion of the circuit as compact as possible. What Victron parts are suggested to fit my requirements? (I have 4 280ah LiFePO cells and a 200A Daly smart BMS)
thank you for the compliment! On your question, it depends how much current you need to transfer to your inverter or dc load. As the BMS doe 200A I assume the average load is far less, so then a row Lynx modules would be a bit overdoing it I guess. Would a Smartshunt/Lynx distributor only be the best solution here?
Hello Johannes, I have a question regarding connection Multiplus II to TN-C distribution. In my house I have L + PEN only (all circuits), so is it possible to connect Multiplus II to this or is it not? If not, please could you tell me why? thank you
Yes, you can switch the ground relay on/off if you prefer to have the N joined to PE in inverter mode or not. For the inverter its not relevant on which type distribution you are.
with a mppt connected to 2 pv inputs and a quattro connected to 2 pv inputs for a total of 4kw; will both charge a battery at the same time? which one will be in control of the charging to turn
them to float charge or off?
It DC , so the highest voltage source will deliver the most power, when the voltage is low they both will go full power if needed.
Hi Guys, is it possible to feed energy back to the Grid from batteries of required at certain times?
yes , that's not something standard of course , but its possible. this requires a manual or automatic operating of the system (which needs to be written)
@@johannesboonstra6917 could you point on the direction to get some more info on how to do this?
Thank you
@@TheOffGridShop that requires a company / person to write the code for this.
We don’t help/ support these self made coding
Would it not make sense for the battery protect setting to take into account the discharge current and the battery's internal resistance, so you wouldn't have to fiddle with the setting if your discharge current changes?
Hello, then there is even more fiddling on settings as no battery is the same and also changes after time.. So...No this is not going to happen
This a question that i can't find a good answer online: Regarding the surge protection in an RV installation with 2 Victron Multiplus 3000VA working together, Do you recommend a type 1 surge protector like "Square D - HEPD80" on the AC input line for protection against surges caused by lighting while connected to shore power? Do you recommend a type 2 surge protector like "Square D - HOM2175SB" on the AC output line inside the main fuse box to protect against surges created by appliances inside the RV while connected/not connected to shore power? How well Victron Multiplus can handle surges inside the RV while connected or not connected to the shore power without a type 2 surge protector?
Our experiences are that for lighting the surge protection doesn't protect the electronics well so can help on this I am afraid. The Multiitself isn't protected again this and like any other electronic can be damaged even with a indirect hit.
@@johannesboonstra6917 thanks for your reply, what about the second part of my question about type 2 surge protector related to surges created by appliances inside?
HELLO! In my system I have a smart shunt, a smart battery sens, three smartsolar 75/15 and one phoenix inverter 24/1200. All connected to a Venus gx monitor. If I'm going to install one Orion DC-DC charger to Venus GX, is this capeble to find out where the extra power mesured from the smart shunt is coming from? tahnks
The Orion cannot communicate so if needed a smart shunt can be used to measure this if that's what you want to see. the data will appear on the device list and the VRM portal (not on the dashboard /overview)
Hello,
if it's possible to turn the Shunt in the Lynx BMS that the power in is on the right side?
This would we great.
The manual said Battery's always left.
In my application the Battery's are on the right side.
Best regards Robert
Well its not just a matter of wiring the shunt, its also determined were the internal power supply is ect. So no you cannot swap to the right , BUT, you can mount the unit "upside down" and use the stickers to have the wording on the front correct again.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Hello, thank you.
With the Lynx Shunt VE it's possible.
(Changing only the five wires...)
What are the technical reasons that this modification isn't possible with the Lynx BMS?
Upside-down is no option....
Best regards Robert
@@robertstuckle6198 because a BMS is something else than a battery monitor. the reason is in the design of the BMS itself. If upside down is no option then there is no other option then to use longer DC cables I am afraid.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Hello, thank you for the answer.
Is the following next model with 1000A technical the same?
Battery left without option to change?
@@robertstuckle6198 yes, that's one will have a more powerful relay, but that's all.
The EasySolar product line looks absolutely brilliant - a real helper for Boats and RVs. Would love to purchase, but there's no 120V version?
Also no US version of the MultiPlus 500VA - 1600VA ?
I know, we are working hard to get as many as possible 120Vac models out. We are based/founded in Europe so logically there are more models for that area still. But it will come!
Quite simply the United States and North America are not the biggest market for Victron the European and worldwide market has a little bit more of a priority because Victron system are used extensively in these places also also the United States approval process is a pain
I have another question. I read on the LFP battery datasheet that you can connect 5 parallel batteries, 4 12v in series but only 2 24v in series, for a total of 1500A. I'm kind of confused.
I take that as, setting up 20 12v batteries, with 5 in parallel to create 1 unit then i can connect 4 12v units in series to achieve 48v
Or
Setting up 10 24v batteries, 5 24v in parallel to make 1 unit and then connect 2 units in series to get 48V.
So current is also another question, if i use 20 12v batteries with 300a each that's going to be 6000 amps of current.
Or 10 24V at 200a each that's going to be 2000amps.
the limitation of the number of batteries is not on the Ah , its on the communication side.
Hallo, i have a Question about RCD Type for a Multi 24/800 is a Type A ok or is a Type B needed
As far as the inverter is concerned that doesnt matter, its just what local regulation dictate
@@johannesboonstra6917 Yeah but here in Germany we need a Type B when there is some DC on the AC Side, but i got Informations from Victron over Support that both the Smaller one i have and the Big M2-XXXX System are galvanic sperated between AC and DC and so a Type A is fine.
@@bavarianoffgrid4557 as all inverters are galvanic isolated there is no dc possible
I love you work, I am a mechanical engineer and I find your explanations very understandable. I have a UK made product branded powervault, which contains an inverter that looks exactly like a multiplus compact. Inside the powervault box, 12v AGM batteries are connected in series to make a 24v circuit. There is a paire of wires I don't understand, one red and one black. If I remove the inverter cover the wires are connected to the sense + - terminals. The wire ends are crimped together into an M8 black negative battery terminal making a short?? Also, a simple one winding coil has been created by looping the pair of wire through a short tube where the wire leaves the inverter. Question is what is the wire and where should I put it? If I where to guess, I would put it on the negative terminal on the wire that connects the battery + and -. I suspect that it is a battery temperature sensor. However I am not feeling lucky. Any ideas?
yes, that's the temperature sensor, they are not just crimped by the way, there is a sense chip inside.
Great video
Question regarding the Temp sensor with the multiplus can it be used with Agm batteries?
Yes, they are intended to be used for lead acid batteries indeed.
I went through a few datasheets of the inverter/charger but did not find the current for the AC bypass load. That's the second AC output that doesn't supply via batteries but only when the AC input is live.
Because I'm thinking i could very well take the grid line ans connect to the inverter, like 15KVa with a 20Kva battery back, then connect fans, fridge, sockets and lights to the AC 1 output for continuous power, and then connect water heater, air conditioning system, other heavy duty appliances to AC 2 bypass output. Of course with all the Safety and circuit breaker etc. But then wont the AC output 2 ve overloaded?
So what's the general current limit of the AC 2 output for all inverter/chargers?
the feedback relay is the passthrough current, also this can be seen in the model name (a 12/3000/120-16 has a 16A passthrough)
larger models are able to passthrough more power.
I Own a Victron SmartBlue IP22 12/30 3 Output charger. I own two Victron SuperCycle 100ah AGM batteries in my boat. Can I change other battery to LiFePo4 battery and use Lithium program to charge both batteries at the same time or will the AGM SuperCycle be ruined?
You can only have one charge setting per charger, so the outputs will have the same voltage/absorbtion. Mainly due to the absorption time its not advised to have lead acid and lithiums on the same charger.
@@johannesboonstra6917 Thank you, for the answer! 😊
Thanks Johannes, great information here
My question - I have bought a SmartSolar MPPT RS 450|100 (great to have high PV voltage charger by the way, nice work Victron!). I want to put as much PV on this unit as possible. I am using the Victron online MPPT calculator with my specific PV modules (Jinko 370W) and my local min (0 degrees C) and max (40 degrees C) temperature. The calculator says I can have a maximum of 8 modules in series in one array per tracker (ie - 2960W), but the RS450 datasheet says I can have up to 7200W per tracker. What is the max number of PV modules I can attached to this RS450? In what configuration? What happens if I over size the PV? Will the unit automatically clip? Or is there potential for damage?
PV is cheap and I want to load up this charger to give me max generation during cloudy winter months
Thanks a lot! This RS450 is awesome
Hamish from New Zealand
Hello, To make a long story short , there are two hard limits you may not exceed. that's the PV max voltage (this will damage the unit instantly) and the max short circuit current, this will damage the unit (and battery) if something happens out of the ordinary. So then you could theoraticly say as the short circuit current is 20A and the max voltage 450, the max power which you could install is 360V (which is the Vmp at a 450V panel array) x 20A =7200Watt. The output will however limited to 5,7kW if you use both trackers (or 4kw) if you use one.
Johannes, can you please explain how the apart from capacity how the Victron Energy MultiPlus-II 48V 10000VA 140A 100A - PMP483105000 differs from the 48/5000/70-50?
The Manual says that the VE.Bus communication port links in Three phase operation. Implying that it wont work in a single phase operation. I am looking for a Multiplus cabable of charging and discharging at say 70% of 100 amp. Thank you
Quite insightful session. 🇰🇪
Thank you for your information. Our electric car has a built-in wallbox with V2L, V2X 230V socket. I want to use the car batteries as home batteries. Which Victron product is suitable to manage PV production (5.5 kWp) energy use in the house, car charging and grid connection (injecting overproduction) simultaneously with this 230V car connection? In addition, a small battery in the basement for emergency power and power when the car is on the road.
Hello, this needs a engineer to look into as there are options but not in a single box. please contact your dealer to help further with this.
@@johannesboonstra6917 After your answer this morning, I once again presented the problem to the dealer and now it appears that it is also possible to use the CCS connection in the car (310V-410V DC). Now I think and hope that, by means of a DC-DC converter, a simultaneous connection of E-Auto and the network to the Multiplus is possible. Is that correct?
@@willemrullmann2998 we dont use these connectors, so I dont see how that could work with a Multi then.
@@willemrullmann2998 I dont think so , I have now idea how that should work.
Hi, there seems to be some confusion out in the Victron community about exactly what “Pass Thru” is on a Multiplus. I have the 3kw/120A/12v Mutli. It seems to go to Pass Thru mode when the Multi is set in Charger Only mode and the AC load demanded from the circuits exceeds the 240v supply threshold (16A typically). Pass Thru therefore seems to be a state whereby the Multi will take the total load demanded from the shorepower supply, regardless of load, and it may throw the breaker shoreside due to overload. If the Multi was “On” in the same circumstances then it would invert the excess over 16A. Is this correct? I had an Easyplus previously, it seemed to work differently and would automatically invert any excess over 16A even when in Charger Only mode - but that might be wrong, poor recollection. I’d be grateful if you would clarify the situation in one of your technical videos. Rob.
when on charger only the inverter function is disabled, so without shore the unit stops working, with shore power the power assist doesn't work. Only power is passed through..
How can disable the MPPT 150l35 ?
Greatings
Jp
great content , would i be able to use the Victron VE Bus BMS with AGM batteries thx.
No, as there is no need for a BMS for AGM batteries. Only LFP batteries need a BMS to check the cells on voltage
@@johannesboonstra6917 thanks for the reply. This answer prompts a few more question on the build i was going to use. I was going to use the VE bus for the Charge /Load disconnect function If I dont use the BMS will i be able to program the Smart Battery Protects to do this as one of the programs on the Battery protect.
The second part of my question is i was going to use the BMS with the Multi control panel will i be able to use a Cerbo unit with the Color display will this later combination give me all the functionality of the BMS/ Multi Control panel. Hope ive explained this
The voltage and amps keep jumping around real fast, just started this, do you have any ideals about why
on a smart shunt? see if the wiring is done correctly and the battery is able to feed the load well, normally the battery voltage is pretty constant
Hi love your tech talks
I have a sealed lead acid as starter and a AGM house can I use the Cyrix CT between them ?
I have a short-circuit on DC input of the inverter quatro, is safe to connect the batteries?
Excellent
I have a 220v water heater (Nautic boiler B3) on my boat controlled by a switch. I would like to connect it so that it starts when I am in a float/storage state.
I have multiple MPPTs, a Cerbo Gx and a Phoenix Inverter Smart.
Can I use the relay function to achieve this? Should I use the connection to the inverter for that or another component in my setup?
Another question was how much current can a given inverter/charger handle for a battery Bank.
By handle I don't mean charge but rather to control the mass of current. In a sense i can lift and carry 25 kg weight safely, but 50kg will be out of my handling capacity.
Lets take a 3000W/12V unit, can it handle 1000 A of battery load? How about 2000A of battery load ? Whats the limit?
well, I dont understand the question (I think), an inverter takes power from a battery as much it needs. When that isn't available the inverter will stop working. so when you have 1200W load, there will be a 100A discharge current on a 12V battery
@@johannesboonstra6917 so the inverter has this pass through/bypass AC output 2, this output only works if the grid/generator/shore power is on and does not use the batteries.
So my question is how much load can it handle? Can i put 50 A load on this bypass assuming my grid can handle it
@@l.nassah6728 No, AC2 out is a switched output to power AC loads under certain conditions, default is that its powered when AC in is available
My setup is 2 x 150 Ah Agm in serie with Mecer 2.4 Kv inverter.Like to use Victron Blue smart charger 12/15(1) 230 V to charge batteries .Do i use normal preset at 14.4 V or AGM spiral cell .Can i charge batteries in serie or 1 at a time.On battery info is charge voltage 14.4 V and float charge voltage 13.62V
What exactly does the "Relay 2" soft switch in my VRM control panel control? I have the 24/3000/70 + Lynx BMS + Cerbo GX.
It’s literally just a really you use it for what you want
Hi, thanks for this video. What I'm not sure - Do i really need Battery Protects and things like the "yellow cable" when I have just Victron products (Phoenix 12/1200, BlueSolar MPPT 100/30 and 75/15 , BMV 700) and a Venus GX?
If configured right most of these shut off is the battery is near a dangerous state however seems like a battery protect is a good idea especially if there is little charge coming in but the standby power of lots of things is slowly drain the back but in most cases the devices have been disabled by communication because the battery is low. They’re probably not going to draw it that much overnight.
Hi mate I have one of the older blue solar charge controllers It’s 150/85 mppt . It looks like the ones to your left in the video. Tall rectangular box.I would like to know if I can plug a ve bus dongle to it or similar so I can monitor it via Bluetooth .
how do you connect mutiple orion tr smart smart 12/12 30A to the same network?
You mean for the ATC signal?, these can be getting the same "plus" on the remote port.
@@victrontech yes for the remote control and the parallel connection, i can't find any schematics about that in function to fuses and so
I'm a solar dummy so what do I need.
I have 10 - 100w solar panels and 4 lifepo4 batteries what do I need to make it work. 12v system.
Please contact the local Victron energy distributor or installer. You need to have some proper design work done on your system because panel voltage and things like that have to be calculated based on your geographical location so just finding what the Internet says may not be good.
Do u have any victron engineers in the rep of Ireland? . I've fitted a large 48v solar system with a 48v 560ah gel forklift battery attached and can get it full charged to last all night but yet the system is saying its full charged
Check you set the ah of the battery bank correct in the cerbo and multiplus.
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Victron is too confusing. Even making a simple inverter choice: is it a hybrid, grid tie, or off grid inverter? Clear as mud. If it wasn't for youtube videos I'd be clueless.
haha, there are many situations which all require a different approach to make reliable system, we try to adapt hardware and software to as many systems possible, the core of the product line is the charger/inverter called Multi , most other products are a spin off of these
It’s important to know if you have completed the training you required to safely install these products. You will know that they are highly programmable. It’s better that they have one unit that can do one of these functions but you set it up how you want it also allows flexibility.
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