So Fighting Games! Pretty cool huh? They are doing downright decent at the moment, lots to talk about and lots to love. Well, except for 3D Fighting games that is... those aren't doing so great. What happened? The genre as a whole is hitting it out of the park lately but its only specifically for 2d fighters, 3d fighters aint getting the love. Tekken is the last game standing and is there any hope at all for any competition in the 3d fighter space again? ***EDIT*** lmao no, the new DBZ and bleach games are NOT 3d fighters. Arena fighters do not count in any way lol
I'd argue we're still living in a world without a true arena fighter either. Just once, I want to see an arena fighter that is competitively minded, as opposed to a casual/party game.
A lot of this is finding a way to adapt rollback netcode into the more complex 3D engines. You've got more than just a simple state and X/Y axis to consider.
Tekken 8: Aggression, Aggression, AGGRESSION. Yes, aggression when playing against Tekken Supreme God Something something Dragunov/Ninas/Kazs/Jins/Azucenas while I am in blue ranks with Law. That's all I feel... Aggression!
To revive soul Calibur all they need to do is a Nintendo switch port of SC2 with all guess characters bundle in and prettier graphics. The graphics don’t have to be ps5 quality, just subpar ps4 graphics and the moment they put Link on screen that’s it the game is sold. Maybe add the character creator.
Many people don't realize Soul Calibur CARRIED fighting games in the early 2000s. For as much as people talk positively about marvel 2 and third strike these days most people don't appreciate those games were not popular at the time. Soul Calibur 1 and 2 basically was just fighting games, period.
@@rooflemongergreat video once again! Do you think there's a possibility of an indie 3D fighter in the near future, or is that too expensive of a venture for smaller studios?
Soul Calibur will be back. Don’t believe the mob. They said it wouldn’t come back after 4, then again after 5, now they’re saying it after 6. They just need content so they’ll say anything.
Which is funny because their brand manager said that none of the Hudson nor Konami IPs are forgotten. They're supposedly listening to social media. He didn’t elaborate any further than that.
I have been saying this for a long time now. How can people say that we are living through a new fighting game golden age while the other half of this genre has been decimated. Tekken is literally the last one standing. A king reigning on a pile of ashes.
2D is just way better than 3D when it comes to Fighting Games. I absolutely respect the Skill of Tekken Players, but playing it, I have no joy. I just turn it off and end up playing 2D. It's the Motion Input fix I need.
No, we are still defenitly in a golden age right now, yes it is sad tbat SoulCali is deab, but DOA was never super popular and Im not loosing any tears over VA. But 3 games missing is not half the genre, 1v1 footsie games, qnime fighters, tag fighters, platformer fighters, they're thriving with different entrees.
@SpeedKing.. no, just no. Additional spatial dimensions is not needed to make a fighter more complex. 3D fighters tend to be clunky compared to 2D. There's a good reason they're modtly dead.
@@jdellabeat6245the stage drama happened because the new stage got sold separately from the season pass and people thought that either it would be free like the previous stage or get bundle with the dlc pass
that's a bad thing with Tekken being the only 3D fighter around the lack of competition would put Tekken at risk of stagnation wanting to beat your contemporaries is why you strive to be the best you know the competitive spirit.
WE NEED 3D FIGHTERS! I always was a Fan of Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive specifically, and both of them not having a future is just sad to me. Fantasy Sword Fighting is just cool and DoA just has the impact I feel Tekken is lacking.
I feel the exact same way you do about the same series. I loved soul caliber and doa and I miss them. I always liked the movement in Soul Calibur more than in tekken.
If only 3D fighter fans supported each other the way Capcom or SNK fighter fans did In my experience, very few play more than one 3D, and even fewer are willing to support all of them. In my locals alone, I can count on one hand all the players who are willing to play all 3D fighters. I'm one of them.
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 hmm. don't know about that - i only know i don't really play 2D fighters. I just could never get into it after becoming a big tekken head. I bought multiple soul calibur titles and downloaded the free to play versions of virtual fighter and DoA (played it a bit back in the day also) and very much casually enjoyed them... problem seems to be the amount of effort needed to get good at a (imho) usually more complex 3D fighter. I mean i play tekken for 20 years and i am now 'good' with one character lmao
Thank you for remembering your 3d fgc brethren. Its been rough since 2020 for us Soulcalibur player's. I've had nothing but time to better myself... shudder.
DOA5LR has the deepest parry mechanics out of any fighting game. Some characters even have a command parry. I sincerely believe lots of people would love it if they gave it a chance. It's just sad to see most people ignore it due to the mainstream headlines of pervy dlc's and scammy prices when in reality the core of the high level gameplay is sublime.
I think main issue now is playing with others online. Like no lobbies? Heck even getting 6 to work. I tried playing with a friend who i can play delay based games like OG granblue and maybe if you count "its a 3" tekken 7 just fine with, but DOA 6 was a slide show. So can't really even play DOA online with my friends. That said when i played some 5 locally it cooked hard. So games are solid but need more ground level fixes.
I think DoA's biggest problem is it's art direction. In comparison with Tekken, the characters don't really distinguish themselves visually with much in the way of personality. The majority of the roster looks like 3d rendered dolls. So I think if DoA wants to leave a more lasting impact with a fresh audience, they'll need to rethink their approach to character design.
But all those things are true... And while I enjoy the parry I think the later DoA games made it too hard and frustrating to know which parries actually worked against which attacks. It all just felt like a guessing game. And goodness those story modes were rough to watch. Still 5 was a fun party game, but they need to invigorate it properly if they bring it back. 6 was just a slightly worse 5. And almost every new character made it clear that Team Ninja were COMPLETELY out of ideas wrt character designs.
@@lewiswood9286 The character designs are DOA's biggest draw. Hence, the spinoffs and endless DLC costumes. Guest characters from Virtua Fighter & Fatal Fury even fit well in DOA5. Samurai Shodown is one of the best franchises in terms of art direction, yet it's nowhere near as popular as Street Fighter & Mortal Kombat.
I fully believe in SC7, but my thought is T8 needs to be out for at least two years before anything is considered/revealed. 3D fighters need their renaissance, Bloody roar would be amazing to see with todays graphics as well.
I pray for SC to come back sooner than later if only because SC2 was my first ever fighting game. Played that shit all the time at my hometowns bowling alley when I was a kid.
Thank you for not only bringing up DOA, but also reiterating HOW GOOD DOA5 IS. What an incredible game. I miss the days of its active development. DOA5LR, please get a rerelease.
The funny thing is that it's been so long since VF5 came out, that all Sega have to do is put about 4 new fighters, new stages for all the returning characters, and have a buttery smooth online experience, and they will have a hit on their hands.
They need to do more than that yes And the talent might not be there And the demand might not be there But it would probably still be worth it probably
Will it? Does anyone outside of hardcore fighting game fans even remember VF. They don't really have any iconic characters or moments. VF is so generic looking that they would need reinvent the style and characters to catch casual attention. What does VF offer over Tekken other than different combat?
@lawnbb12372 VF will have to go in a re-invention route when it comes to lore and world building. I would argue through that if the gameplay and online mode is on point, then everything else is gravy.
@ceasarmontoya8793 I feel history is repeating itself, so it's a possibility. T4 flopped hard, so other 3d fighters of time not only shined at that time but also released all time classics. Now obviously T8 won't flop(probably won't do as well as 7 tho) but with all the silly controversies, the mix feelings on gameplay and ppl leaving the game I think the perfect opportunity to strike would be right about now for the fellow 3d competitors.
I think you will be waiting many years for that, snk next game after fatal fury is going to be art of fighting, and by then the next kof, capcom are probably making marvel 4 as their next project. You're looking at almost 6-8 years.
And this is so sad, many of my great memories playing games includes 3D Fighting Games, me and my group of friends have thousands of hours in SoulCalibur 2 and 3, with other friend we played Doa 3 almost every day, always Hitomi vs Christie, and alone i have many months of Quest Mode in VF4 Evolution, those memories have a special place in my heart.
Personally I am really Missing Dead or Alive! It is and always will be my favorite 3d fighter. I do also have alot of love for Tekken 8! But I am hoping we do eventually get another Dead or Alive in the future....
Always keeping my fingers crossed for a new SoulCalibur. It was my first fighting game that wasn't Smash as a kid and I keep hoping beyond hope they can breathe some new life into the franchise.
I think dead or alive is kinda over hated by a lot of people, specially some tekken fans, that's kinda unfair and well now Tekken has a lot of stage transition and hazards from that game. I love to see a new dead or alive like the one from the 3DS 😁
Tekken 8 hired shimbori right from KT and his influence on Tekken is huge, all the cool visual stuff you see in T8 is straight out of dead or alive. DoA 2 Hardcore, DoA4, DoA5 LR are all some of my favourite games ever and I really hope the franchise isnt on ice for too long
Tekken fans don't like fanservice, even if some did, they'll be shunned by the rest of the community (It can be a bad thing or a good thing. It feels like DOA players didn't complain enough about getting lumped with DOAX players) And the fact that the main protagonist is an anime girl looking girl with a bland personality, instead of a rugged muscle man they usually see in other mainstream fighting games. (That belongs in gacha games they said)
I'm honestly surprised no indie studio tried to channel 3D Fighter nostalgia yet. There's so many 2D fighters from studios mid-size to absolutely tiny, I think even a couple solo-devs right?
Simple, making a 3D game is far more complex & demanding than a 2D game. That’s why so many indie games in general are in 2D rather than 3D. Not saying it won’t happen, but it won’t be anytime soon.
The dumbest roster exclusion in Soul Calibur 5 was Talim, she was the youngest character in the previous games being in her teens so could have been in her late 20's in SC5. It made no sense not to carry her over into the new generation.
A look into the indie market might be worth once in a while. In terms of 3d fighters there's Hellish Quart. It's niche is about historical weapons and realism so definitive not for everyone but maybe worth a look. It's also developed by a singular random gigachad in a polish shed somewhere.
It's currently a great time for the FGC, but still a long way from the level of the 90s golden age. Most of the hype for the genre is for DLC characters and collections of older games. Tekken 8 is apparently the only new major title released this year. Two decades ago: Tekken, Virtua Fighter 2, Children of the Atom, Samurai Shodown 2, King of Fighters '94, Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Darkstalkers, Art of Fighting 2, etc... Not even counting the Super SF2 Turbo update.
Very unfortunate that i learned DoA is my favorite 3D fighting game after it died. Also wasnt there the new Fighting EX Layer game? Idk what happened to that but it seems liked it was going to be 3D
They really don't understand: whatever supposed advantage they give to the newbie will absolutely be abused absolutely by a seasoned player. It's impossible to cater only to the weaker player.
really as simple as since the 3d market is a wasteland, theres little incentive to make one. If you are making an indie fighter you want as many eyes as possible and that means not rocking the boat in terms of optics. 2d fighters or platform fighters are what people expect
because the barrier of entry for developing good looking 3d games is so much higher than 2d that you have to be at least AA to do it, an indie studio just can't.
A lot of it comes down to literal technical difficulty and fine tuning. Technical being ensuring hitbox detection, animition rendering and uncontrolled character interactions feel smooth. The fine tuning coming from fighting games often being balanced by literal frames and the must to spend days and days just playing with frames.
Seiji said he wasn't finished with VF5US but we're 3 years in and the guy has said nothing. I wish he would just say VF6 got the green light or in development. Sega has too much Sonic and Yakuza on the brain lately.
@Rooflemonger I get that, but at the same time, I can see why they would choose to not announce anything until absolutely sure that the project will come to completion. Making people believe they can breathe easy only for the business people of the company to choke them by announcing they decided to cancel it would be even worse for everyone.
So video idea ive wanted to make for a while, Sega's latest heavy handed VF6 hint the other day is what sorta spurred this one into action. Its lonely at the top, but hopefully Tekken might have some competition again soon. Other than that for this week should get some of the SF6 Chun Li guide content out I promised, and looks like SNK is gonna be busy hitting multiple trade shows including Brazil Game Show in a few days likely to expect some new Fatal Fury City of the Wolves trailers!
Hell, it's about time. They went ham with the character trailers a couple of weeks ago, but other than the SF6 collab teaser it's been pretty quiet since then. A playable beta in november would be awesome
Remember guys, YOU keep the games alive. If you care about DOA, VF and SC (or others) go play them. Have your friends play, organize tournaments, stream them. Send them to the devs, let them know that you want more of it. Do not let them die. Capcom acknowledged the numbers that Monster Hunter World was still pulling years after Monster Hunter Rise was released. Now they're bringing a new game that feels more like World. What I mean to say is, play the latest game in the franchise you like that you consider the best. I know there's still a big response to DOA4, go play that, or 5. If you didn't like Soul Calibur 6, go play even 2 if that's what you like. I know it sounds like work but I'm encouraging you guys to go have fun with the games you like and not chase a trend just because it's new and there's a lot of people playing it. We can create more communities or get the other ones together. Remember, you have the power.
pokken if it were ever to return really needs to be a more traditional fighter. It was already most of the way there but the insane way you had to play with 2 people in a normal setting was too much of an annoyance
Virtua Fighter was one of the best fighters and the absolute peak of arcade game design in FGs, the one day arcade game design becomes mainstream, Virtua Fighter will return
Soul Calibur is my favorite fighting game franchise by far, but i enjoy other 3d games like Tekken and Bloody Roar. I wish an indie company could make a 3d fighter to show the bigger companies that making 3d fighters are worth the effort
Soul Calibur's the only 3D fighter I've ever been able to get into. Just don't gel with Tekken or VF. So I'll be waiting for SC7, however long that may sadly be.
If I learned how to develop a fully-fledged game, I'd love to learn how to make my own 3D fighter one of these days. As we are now, we have plenty a great 2D fighters and more coming up. I have seen a few indie dev posts their own 3D fighting games in the works, but it's only a few.
If we have a new MVC or a CVS, that will be the nail in the coffin for 3D Fighters Also, in today times, no more fun experiences like Tekken Tag. We are at the time for garanteed franchises, and popular characters as DLC instead of base roster
I love tekken, it has been my favorite fighting game since I was a kid, but now, tekken 8 is really testing that, and now with 2xko on the way which is a prime contender in my books and finally being able to play Capcom vs snk 2 for the first time
DOA6 also didn't have a tag mode, a staple of the series in almost every main entry. Man, I really long for a new DOA and new SC, indeed 3D fighting games have no horizon to look forward to right now.
isn't it awesome how SC6's budget required it to recycle SC4/5 models and do a visual nover story mode, and then it was deemed a failure for not holding up to tekken 7 where akuma fights kazuya in a CG movie? I love executives and their stages that aren't included in the season pass. also funny how DOA took a sip from the F2P glass at the end of DOA5 and DOA6 immediately became an unholy abomination. praying for venus vacation versus tho
Soul Calibur 6 was Tekken's closest competitor. But lack of support, game breaking bugs, bad online experience, I lost all my save files twice and technical support was horrible. Soul Calibur 6 were the authors of their own demise.
thing is, to a greater extent than most 2d fighters, 3d fighting game series have historically been tied to individual "superstar" game devs-virtua fighter *is* yu suzuki, dead or alive is the specific eccentric passion project of itagaki-and often in the japanese dev scene when the One Dude responsible for a series moves on, the series basically dies, no matter how historically successful or significant it might be. of the major 3d fighting games, tekken is the only one with its original "parent" still kicking it at home and being weird. once harada retires (after tekken 9, he currently suggests), there will be no one left to confidently champion further development-and likely anyone strange and talented and strong-willed enough to carry things on would rather work on their own projects. i'm simplifying things a lot, obviously, and there's rarely just one factor with any of this stuff. but also consider, back on the 2d front, how the primary reason we haven't had another fatal fury since 1999 is that after the aruze debacle there wasn't anyone left at snk/playmore with the passion and motivation to make it happen. now there is, and that's why we're getting a new game.
Great job breaking down all the fighters, Roof. You already know I'm with you on that VF hype train. I can't wait to see some new footage. Keep up the good work, bro. Peace.
There's some funny business with Harada asking about VF6... and then Ono asking about TxSF... That said? I think there's a time and space for a Battle Arena Toshinden relaunch, here.
I could be very wrong here, but i feel that 3d fighters are way more expensive to make, and that's why only the big boys of fighting game producing make them
I really don't think so honestly. Other than the fact the stage is also part of the gameplay theres nothing inherently more expensive or difficult about a 3d fighter. Like the SF6 models are way better than the Tekken 8 ones and probably cost more to make. Making a dude sidestep doesn't cost $$$
@@rooflemongerMaking a 3d game may not be harder by itself, but I think that making a GOOD LOOKING 3d game is the thing that's hard. Even in 2d games, the ones with good looking 3d graphics are only done by relatively big boys, and most of the few indie fighters with 3d graphics out there don't look good
I bought VF5 for my PS4 and its so damn fun. I feel like past versions of VF5 were hard to get into, but when I tried Ultimate Showdown, it just made sense to me. I am very excited for something like Virtua Fighter 6, and I really hope the leaks are all true about it
I remember Harada once responding to someone who was asking about the possibility of a Dead or Alive guest character in Tekken 8 and he said that because of the current state of the franchise, it's unlikely. I would argue that it's because of the current state of the franchise that there should be a show of appreciation for the actual fighting game series (I know Dead or Alive has been involved in a lot of collaborations, but they were all related to Venus Vacation and for gacha games like Azur Lane and Destiny Child). The only game I can think of that had a crossover with DoA was King of Fighters All Star, the only place where every major fighting game franchise (minus MK) came together and it wasn't even a fighting game... and it's shutting down this month. My need for a DoA fix has gotten so bad that I'm now holding other fighting game franchises responsible for keeping its legacy alive. And while I'm rambling, I bought Tekken 8 recently because I could get it at like $30 off, I have it ready to go on my PS5 with updates and such... haven't even booted up the actual game. I went right back to Street Fighter 6 when Terry launched. There isn't really a character in Tekken 8 I'm crazy about and the two I'm willing to play either have a risk/reward mechanic that doesn't fit my playstyle or I've heard is a very weak version of the character. And none of the DLC fighters are interesting to me, except for Heihachi for reasons that make me laugh my ass off or facepalm. I'd rather go back to Tekken 7 and play Kunimitsu (you can see I have a type).
Another reason that there hasn't been another VF in years is that VF always served as a tech demo for Sega's latest arcade hardware, and as far as I know, Sega hasn't really been developing any new revolutionary hardware like they used to. VF always had this goal of pushing the boundaries of what a game could be or do, and the developers don't want to make a new game if they can't do something new. I think the most controversial thing a new VF game could do is to basically sell out and tack on some kind of meter system that al the other 3D fighters eventually did. VF's uniqueness is how grounded it is. It's the one popular fighting game that has stuck to being about martial arts and not superpowers. Its primary comeback mechanic has always been ringouts rather than a high damaging super move. I'm hoping that for VF6 they find a way to add a mechanic that still feels grounded and doesn't mess up the game. Elevated terrain like in VF3 or Tekken 4 was the right idea but ultimately unable to work out.
Given the director of Ultimate Showdown’s recent comments on the growing complexity of fighting game mechanics, I doubt that the next VF will have some meter comeback mechanic unless it was a higher up mandate
I really REALLY enjoyed DOA6. It was a great blend of 3D gameplay with anime combos. I guess T8 is kinda filling that void. DoA would have to have some inspired gameplay to knock the king off the throne. But then... Renting hair colors. Renting. Hair colors. That was certainly a choice on Team Ninja's part. TL;DR Momiji needs to come back in a fighting game.
Virtua fighter has to literally reinvent the fighting game genre for it to be successful. What can they do, to reinvent the genre? That’s why there’s no virtua fighter
we need any vf on steam. As it stands besides emulation the only way to play a virtua fighter game on PC is to buy one of the yakuza games on steam and then play VF inside those games.
Mark from the Electric Underground made a great point that games like VF5, by not being updated for years, are complete in some sense, and aren't subject to the usual turmoil you get when games are updated and patched. That doesn't mean more people play them but for the people who still do, they're better games for it. VF5 US is a great game and if that's all there was for a while longer, I'd not be too upset. But the idea of a VF6 both excites and concerns me... it must avoid "modernisation" like Tekken 8 has suffered. No meters, no stupid monetisation, it just needs to be that classic VF gameplay with some new characters and not too much changed. With a game that perfect, it's easier to mess things up than it is add anything new of worth.
That's why I still don't think that this is a "Fighting Game Golden Age." Sure, 2-D fighting games are going strong, but 3-D fighters need more love. There aren't even remasters or collections of the old 3-D fighters.
This might sound unfair but I do wonder if the 3D era of Mortal Kombat played a part in all of this. If such a big and influential company went from middling results trying to make things work in the 3D space Only to just explode by going back to 2D, that sorta observation might make devs/publishers hesitant. I’m probably talking out my ass but who knows. It does feel kinda quaint looking back how back in the day, so many games were taking flak if they stayed in 2D pixels land like street fighter and not embracing “the future” presented by Tekken and Virtua fighter and now…. We’re kinda back to where we started sorta.
Here's my take on that...fighting games are already pretty niche. And 3d fighting games are even more niche. Probably a popularity and sales issue. Only Tekken would probably be immune to this due to their large fanbase.
As a 3D fighting game enjoyer, I felt this one. We really need another one--I've never been much of a Tekken fan, and the newest entry didn't change that opinion.
I am mixed. I grew with Tekken starting from 1 through 7 and Played Tekken Tag Games and Even Liked Tekken Tag 2( Its Failure was actually on Harada He said that game would be Balanced but never Patched) and i dislike Tekken 8 over Aggression style. Tekken was about knowing combos, Moves and Timing and experience not Just Aggression.
The thing with DOA and SC is that there are no obvious people to lead new games in the franchises. Both Shimbori and Okubo are gone from Team NINJA and Namco, respectively (with Shimbori moving to Namco to do Tekken). The the question now is who in both companies would be willing to champion both franchises.
Unreal how 2d fighters have taken over 3d fighting games again. It's just a complete lack of creatively and money making that has ruined the momentum of 3d fighters
So Fighting Games! Pretty cool huh? They are doing downright decent at the moment, lots to talk about and lots to love. Well, except for 3D Fighting games that is... those aren't doing so great. What happened? The genre as a whole is hitting it out of the park lately but its only specifically for 2d fighters, 3d fighters aint getting the love. Tekken is the last game standing and is there any hope at all for any competition in the 3d fighter space again? ***EDIT*** lmao no, the new DBZ and bleach games are NOT 3d fighters. Arena fighters do not count in any way lol
I'd argue we're still living in a world without a true arena fighter either. Just once, I want to see an arena fighter that is competitively minded, as opposed to a casual/party game.
Is bleach an arena fighter thou? It looks like it'll have 8way movement ??? Idk roofle 👀👀
A lot of this is finding a way to adapt rollback netcode into the more complex 3D engines. You've got more than just a simple state and X/Y axis to consider.
Tekken 8: Aggression, Aggression, AGGRESSION. Yes, aggression when playing against Tekken Supreme God Something something Dragunov/Ninas/Kazs/Jins/Azucenas while I am in blue ranks with Law. That's all I feel... Aggression!
To revive soul Calibur all they need to do is a Nintendo switch port of SC2 with all guess characters bundle in and prettier graphics. The graphics don’t have to be ps5 quality, just subpar ps4 graphics and the moment they put Link on screen that’s it the game is sold. Maybe add the character creator.
Its like the opposite of the early 2000s, where 3D fighters reigned supreme, while 2d fighters were off in the corner.
Many people don't realize Soul Calibur CARRIED fighting games in the early 2000s. For as much as people talk positively about marvel 2 and third strike these days most people don't appreciate those games were not popular at the time. Soul Calibur 1 and 2 basically was just fighting games, period.
Soul Calibur 2 was goated
Facts! I never thought I'd be 34 struggling to find a 3D fighter aside from Tekken 8 lmao this is some 1985 warped future we're in lol
@@rooflemongergreat video once again! Do you think there's a possibility of an indie 3D fighter in the near future, or is that too expensive of a venture for smaller studios?
@@spiritgun11wdym with 1985? Sorry just confused lol
When Harada said it was sad there were no other 3D fighters, I didn't realize he was snapping his fingers as he said so.
I'm willing to sacrifice chickens to whichever eldritch deity can get me Soul Calibur 7
Please do, I really wanna Bg3 origin characters in soulcalibur as guests😂
I don’t have chickens but I can get ya some eggs for the cause
Same buddy 😢.
Soul Calibur will be back. Don’t believe the mob. They said it wouldn’t come back after 4, then again after 5, now they’re saying it after 6. They just need content so they’ll say anything.
Where my comment gone @rooflemonger? Because I’m getting notifications in here so the comment was definitely posted?
Meanwhile, at Konami HQ: "what's a Bloody Roar?"
“And can we turn it into a pachinko machine?”
Which is funny because their brand manager said that none of the Hudson nor Konami IPs are forgotten. They're supposedly listening to social media. He didn’t elaborate any further than that.
@@memesandhoi2924 “We will begin an investigation” type shit.
@@jasonfrancese8359 Yep.
Also Konami "what's a rumble roses?"
I have been saying this for a long time now. How can people say that we are living through a new fighting game golden age while the other half of this genre has been decimated. Tekken is literally the last one standing. A king reigning on a pile of ashes.
2D is just way better than 3D when it comes to Fighting Games. I absolutely respect the Skill of Tekken Players, but playing it, I have no joy. I just turn it off and end up playing 2D. It's the Motion Input fix I need.
@condescending28 That means you like playing 2d fighters more. Some people prefer 3d. That's just personal taste.
No, we are still defenitly in a golden age right now, yes it is sad tbat SoulCali is deab, but DOA was never super popular and Im not loosing any tears over VA. But 3 games missing is not half the genre, 1v1 footsie games, qnime fighters, tag fighters, platformer fighters, they're thriving with different entrees.
@@condescending28The best 2d fighter would be better if 3d. Just say your brain can't handle more than 2 dimensions
@SpeedKing.. no, just no. Additional spatial dimensions is not needed to make a fighter more complex. 3D fighters tend to be clunky compared to 2D. There's a good reason they're modtly dead.
you either die playing your favorite 3D fighting game franchise, or you live long enough to say "eff it, guess im playing Tekken 8 now"
Don't forget the whole drama with the new stage in Tekken. That said I do miss Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter
thats why I snuck in the "its a bad week for tekken" in text in the vid. Not the least of which is yesterdays drama as well beyond the stage stuff
@@rooflemonger Went over my head so whoosh on my part. I just heard about the tourney this morning.
What's the stage drama?
@@jdellabeat6245the stage drama happened because the new stage got sold separately from the season pass and people thought that either it would be free like the previous stage or get bundle with the dlc pass
@@SUPERJESSE9 Thanks for letting me know.
"I have no enemies" - Harada
that's a bad thing with Tekken being the only 3D fighter around the lack of competition would put Tekken at risk of stagnation wanting to beat your contemporaries is why you strive to be the best you know the competitive spirit.
“All my friends are dead” - Tekken, the only standing 3D fighting game
WE NEED 3D FIGHTERS! I always was a Fan of Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive specifically, and both of them not having a future is just sad to me. Fantasy Sword Fighting is just cool and DoA just has the impact I feel Tekken is lacking.
I feel the exact same way you do about the same series. I loved soul caliber and doa and I miss them. I always liked the movement in Soul Calibur more than in tekken.
If only 3D fighter fans supported each other the way Capcom or SNK fighter fans did
In my experience, very few play more than one 3D, and even fewer are willing to support all of them. In my locals alone, I can count on one hand all the players who are willing to play all 3D fighters. I'm one of them.
@@13Kr4zYAzN13 hmm. don't know about that - i only know i don't really play 2D fighters. I just could never get into it after becoming a big tekken head. I bought multiple soul calibur titles and downloaded the free to play versions of virtual fighter and DoA (played it a bit back in the day also) and very much casually enjoyed them... problem seems to be the amount of effort needed to get good at a (imho) usually more complex 3D fighter. I mean i play tekken for 20 years and i am now 'good' with one character lmao
Thank you for remembering your 3d fgc brethren. Its been rough since 2020 for us Soulcalibur player's. I've had nothing but time to better myself... shudder.
DOA5LR has the deepest parry mechanics out of any fighting game. Some characters even have a command parry. I sincerely believe lots of people would love it if they gave it a chance. It's just sad to see most people ignore it due to the mainstream headlines of pervy dlc's and scammy prices when in reality the core of the high level gameplay is sublime.
I think main issue now is playing with others online. Like no lobbies? Heck even getting 6 to work. I tried playing with a friend who i can play delay based games like OG granblue and maybe if you count "its a 3" tekken 7 just fine with, but DOA 6 was a slide show. So can't really even play DOA online with my friends. That said when i played some 5 locally it cooked hard. So games are solid but need more ground level fixes.
I think DoA's biggest problem is it's art direction. In comparison with Tekken, the characters don't really distinguish themselves visually with much in the way of personality. The majority of the roster looks like 3d rendered dolls. So I think if DoA wants to leave a more lasting impact with a fresh audience, they'll need to rethink their approach to character design.
But all those things are true... And while I enjoy the parry I think the later DoA games made it too hard and frustrating to know which parries actually worked against which attacks. It all just felt like a guessing game. And goodness those story modes were rough to watch. Still 5 was a fun party game, but they need to invigorate it properly if they bring it back. 6 was just a slightly worse 5. And almost every new character made it clear that Team Ninja were COMPLETELY out of ideas wrt character designs.
@@lewiswood9286 The character designs are DOA's biggest draw. Hence, the spinoffs and endless DLC costumes. Guest characters from Virtua Fighter & Fatal Fury even fit well in DOA5. Samurai Shodown is one of the best franchises in terms of art direction, yet it's nowhere near as popular as Street Fighter & Mortal Kombat.
@@Renoistic I think it's safe to say that the difference in receptions between DOA 5 & 6 are way more than just slightly.
I am still hoping that sega will give us a vf6 trailer later this year.
Waiting for BloodyRoar collection and new Virtua Fighter
DOA 6 also took out tag mode .Like that was the party mode! I miss DOA so much man lost Soul Calibur as well 😭
I fully believe in SC7, but my thought is T8 needs to be out for at least two years before anything is considered/revealed. 3D fighters need their renaissance, Bloody roar would be amazing to see with todays graphics as well.
Especially if they make it "Bloody"
Soul Calibur 6 and Dead or Alive 5LR are underrated
Soul Calibur 6 is easily the best Soul Calibur game to date, and that's not recency bias, since the game is already 6 years old now.
@@NeoKokoro20for me soul calibur 2 is still the best
I don't know anyone who wants a new VF more than Harada lmao
Harada's desire is weak compared to mine
@@rooflemonger you haven't badgered the SEGA guys on your own podcast, so can you really say that?
@@CaptainBackpak yes I can and easily
There's only one way to settle this: it's time for a deathbattle!
I pray for SC to come back sooner than later if only because SC2 was my first ever fighting game. Played that shit all the time at my hometowns bowling alley when I was a kid.
I played one of the Tekkens at my local bowling alley. Can’t remember which Tekken. The bowling alley is luxury apartments now :(
Thank you for not only bringing up DOA, but also reiterating HOW GOOD DOA5 IS. What an incredible game. I miss the days of its active development. DOA5LR, please get a rerelease.
The funny thing is that it's been so long since VF5 came out, that all Sega have to do is put about 4 new fighters, new stages for all the returning characters, and have a buttery smooth online experience, and they will have a hit on their hands.
It’s going to need more than that to be a “hit”.
They need to do more than that yes
And the talent might not be there
And the demand might not be there
But it would probably still be worth it probably
Sega Always added 2 New caracter per game. I would happily Taken a VF6 with only 2 newcomers.
Will it? Does anyone outside of hardcore fighting game fans even remember VF. They don't really have any iconic characters or moments. VF is so generic looking that they would need reinvent the style and characters to catch casual attention. What does VF offer over Tekken other than different combat?
@lawnbb12372 VF will have to go in a re-invention route when it comes to lore and world building. I would argue through that if the gameplay and online mode is on point, then everything else is gravy.
I suspect Soul Caliber, DOA and VF will have their turn, but for now, I’m going to enjoy what we are given, because SvC3 is around the corner.
@ceasarmontoya8793 I feel history is repeating itself, so it's a possibility. T4 flopped hard, so other 3d fighters of time not only shined at that time but also released all time classics. Now obviously T8 won't flop(probably won't do as well as 7 tho) but with all the silly controversies, the mix feelings on gameplay and ppl leaving the game I think the perfect opportunity to strike would be right about now for the fellow 3d competitors.
I think you will be waiting many years for that, snk next game after fatal fury is going to be art of fighting, and by then the next kof, capcom are probably making marvel 4 as their next project. You're looking at almost 6-8 years.
New drinking game: 2 Jameson shots every time Rooflemonger says “Terry Bogard” in a video. 😂
gotta shout out the guy who pays the rent around here
@@rooflemonger I totally respect that, my friend. Keep the great content flowing. You’re necessary here. 🙏🏽
And this is so sad, many of my great memories playing games includes 3D Fighting Games, me and my group of friends have thousands of hours in SoulCalibur 2 and 3, with other friend we played Doa 3 almost every day, always Hitomi vs Christie, and alone i have many months of Quest Mode in VF4 Evolution, those memories have a special place in my heart.
Personally I am really Missing Dead or Alive! It is and always will be my favorite 3d fighter. I do also have alot of love for Tekken 8! But I am hoping we do eventually get another Dead or Alive in the future....
Always keeping my fingers crossed for a new SoulCalibur. It was my first fighting game that wasn't Smash as a kid and I keep hoping beyond hope they can breathe some new life into the franchise.
If you think life as a Virtua Fighter fan is rough, imagine being a poor Bloody Roar fan 😞
but i dont wanna be a bloody roar fan I wanna be a VF fan
We need Bloody roar back. Shapeshifting bloody 3D fighter 😭@@rooflemonger
I really miss Dead or Alive one of my favorite fighting game
I bought a ps2 just to play that game way back😂
@@hoathim2573 yea but too bad the really good and other ones are only on Xbox :(
I think dead or alive is kinda over hated by a lot of people, specially some tekken fans, that's kinda unfair and well now Tekken has a lot of stage transition and hazards from that game. I love to see a new dead or alive like the one from the 3DS 😁
Tekken 8 hired shimbori right from KT and his influence on Tekken is huge, all the cool visual stuff you see in T8 is straight out of dead or alive. DoA 2 Hardcore, DoA4, DoA5 LR are all some of my favourite games ever and I really hope the franchise isnt on ice for too long
@@rooflemongerI hope the same 🙏 thanks for sharing the sentiment we need more izuna drops from mountains and buildings
Tekken fans don't like fanservice, even if some did, they'll be shunned by the rest of the community (It can be a bad thing or a good thing. It feels like DOA players didn't complain enough about getting lumped with DOAX players) And the fact that the main protagonist is an anime girl looking girl with a bland personality, instead of a rugged muscle man they usually see in other mainstream fighting games. (That belongs in gacha games they said)
I'm honestly surprised no indie studio tried to channel 3D Fighter nostalgia yet. There's so many 2D fighters from studios mid-size to absolutely tiny, I think even a couple solo-devs right?
Simple, making a 3D game is far more complex & demanding than a 2D game.
That’s why so many indie games in general are in 2D rather than 3D.
Not saying it won’t happen, but it won’t be anytime soon.
I’d kill for a Dead or Alive comeback tbh.
The dumbest roster exclusion in Soul Calibur 5 was Talim, she was the youngest character in the previous games being in her teens so could have been in her late 20's in SC5. It made no sense not to carry her over into the new generation.
Soul Calibur was the best fighting game franchise for at least 6 (and arguably 10) years and it wasn't particularly close. The downfall has been sad.
I think Harada will drop a phoenix down on the rest of the 3D genre with a VF and DOA guest
Any hope for Capcom to, out of left field, bring back Rival Schools? No? Ok...
hey we got the collection coming out next year and thats not nothing.
@@rooflemonger True. I just hope people play it enough to warrant a reboot.
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@@Gonnluv Capcom should do what Sega and Nintendo are doing and license those old IPs off to small companies wbo really wanna make both those games.
My shoma bonk face
Thats it, i am adding rollback to Schwarzerblitz ( an open source 3d fighter )
A look into the indie market might be worth once in a while.
In terms of 3d fighters there's Hellish Quart. It's niche is about historical weapons and realism so definitive not for everyone but maybe worth a look.
It's also developed by a singular random gigachad in a polish shed somewhere.
It's currently a great time for the FGC, but still a long way from the level of the 90s golden age. Most of the hype for the genre is for DLC characters and collections of older games. Tekken 8 is apparently the only new major title released this year. Two decades ago: Tekken, Virtua Fighter 2, Children of the Atom, Samurai Shodown 2, King of Fighters '94, Killer Instinct, Primal Rage, Darkstalkers, Art of Fighting 2, etc... Not even counting the Super SF2 Turbo update.
Bring back Bloody Roar!
Man I've been signing every petition I've seen for decades. It really needs to come back
Very unfortunate that i learned DoA is my favorite 3D fighting game after it died. Also wasnt there the new Fighting EX Layer game? Idk what happened to that but it seems liked it was going to be 3D
it ain't over till it's over
They really don't understand: whatever supposed advantage they give to the newbie will absolutely be abused absolutely by a seasoned player. It's impossible to cater only to the weaker player.
The best comeback mechanic is better matchmaking
@@ugochib true!
I hope they add some Dead or Alive characters to the new Virtua Fighter as guests. That would be fun.
VF is like the long-awaited messiah. Surely it will come again, it is written in the holy books! Even so, Akira, come quickly!
My biggest issue is
Why are there basically no indie 3d fighters? Its an almost completely unexplored space.
really as simple as since the 3d market is a wasteland, theres little incentive to make one. If you are making an indie fighter you want as many eyes as possible and that means not rocking the boat in terms of optics. 2d fighters or platform fighters are what people expect
because the barrier of entry for developing good looking 3d games is so much higher than 2d that you have to be at least AA to do it, an indie studio just can't.
A lot of it comes down to literal technical difficulty and fine tuning. Technical being ensuring hitbox detection, animition rendering and uncontrolled character interactions feel smooth. The fine tuning coming from fighting games often being balanced by literal frames and the must to spend days and days just playing with frames.
Seiji said he wasn't finished with VF5US but we're 3 years in and the guy has said nothing.
I wish he would just say VF6 got the green light or in development. Sega has too much Sonic and Yakuza on the brain lately.
its an open secret and everyone knows, and I wish they would just put it out there already so people can finally breathe easy
@Rooflemonger I get that, but at the same time, I can see why they would choose to not announce anything until absolutely sure that the project will come to completion.
Making people believe they can breathe easy only for the business people of the company to choke them by announcing they decided to cancel it would be even worse for everyone.
I just wish sega would make a Virtua fighter compilation. That way people who missed the vf first around get a chance to experience the series.
I want Dead or Alive, Soul Calibur, and Bloody Roar back 😭
2D fighter? More like tooty fighter
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So video idea ive wanted to make for a while, Sega's latest heavy handed VF6 hint the other day is what sorta spurred this one into action. Its lonely at the top, but hopefully Tekken might have some competition again soon. Other than that for this week should get some of the SF6 Chun Li guide content out I promised, and looks like SNK is gonna be busy hitting multiple trade shows including Brazil Game Show in a few days likely to expect some new Fatal Fury City of the Wolves trailers!
Hell, it's about time. They went ham with the character trailers a couple of weeks ago, but other than the SF6 collab teaser it's been pretty quiet since then. A playable beta in november would be awesome
Really happy to see more videos. Ofc, do them when you can, but I really enjoy your insights and analyses.
I remember being bummed out that Setsuka finally was coming out, just in time for the game to be dead.
Liked her rework tho
Remember guys, YOU keep the games alive. If you care about DOA, VF and SC (or others) go play them. Have your friends play, organize tournaments, stream them. Send them to the devs, let them know that you want more of it. Do not let them die.
Capcom acknowledged the numbers that Monster Hunter World was still pulling years after Monster Hunter Rise was released. Now they're bringing a new game that feels more like World. What I mean to say is, play the latest game in the franchise you like that you consider the best. I know there's still a big response to DOA4, go play that, or 5. If you didn't like Soul Calibur 6, go play even 2 if that's what you like.
I know it sounds like work but I'm encouraging you guys to go have fun with the games you like and not chase a trend just because it's new and there's a lot of people playing it. We can create more communities or get the other ones together. Remember, you have the power.
The World/Rise comparison doesn’t make sense, as both games were playing off different platforms and themes.
There is also Pokken to consider, with the new nintendo console coming we could see a sequel for the franchise.
pokken if it were ever to return really needs to be a more traditional fighter. It was already most of the way there but the insane way you had to play with 2 people in a normal setting was too much of an annoyance
R.I.P. Virtua Fighter. I'm full out of hopium. 😭😭
Virtua Fighter was one of the best fighters and the absolute peak of arcade game design in FGs, the one day arcade game design becomes mainstream, Virtua Fighter will return
Someday, brother. Someday, Sega will bring back VF, and when that day comes, arcade game design will return, and it will be glorious.
Soul Calibur is my favorite fighting game franchise by far, but i enjoy other 3d games like Tekken and Bloody Roar. I wish an indie company could make a 3d fighter to show the bigger companies that making 3d fighters are worth the effort
Soul Calibur's the only 3D fighter I've ever been able to get into. Just don't gel with Tekken or VF. So I'll be waiting for SC7, however long that may sadly be.
If I learned how to develop a fully-fledged game, I'd love to learn how to make my own 3D fighter one of these days. As we are now, we have plenty a great 2D fighters and more coming up. I have seen a few indie dev posts their own 3D fighting games in the works, but it's only a few.
If we have a new MVC or a CVS, that will be the nail in the coffin for 3D Fighters
Also, in today times, no more fun experiences like Tekken Tag. We are at the time for garanteed franchises, and popular characters as DLC instead of base roster
I really enjoyed your guide / intro to picking a main in Tekken, would love to see more content on that game, but enjoy watching your stuff in general
DOA will be back on 2026 for the 30 years anniversary
I love tekken, it has been my favorite fighting game since I was a kid, but now, tekken 8 is really testing that, and now with 2xko on the way which is a prime contender in my books and finally being able to play Capcom vs snk 2 for the first time
DOA6 also didn't have a tag mode, a staple of the series in almost every main entry. Man, I really long for a new DOA and new SC, indeed 3D fighting games have no horizon to look forward to right now.
isn't it awesome how SC6's budget required it to recycle SC4/5 models and do a visual nover story mode, and then it was deemed a failure for not holding up to tekken 7 where akuma fights kazuya in a CG movie?
I love executives and their stages that aren't included in the season pass.
also funny how DOA took a sip from the F2P glass at the end of DOA5 and DOA6 immediately became an unholy abomination.
praying for venus vacation versus tho
Soul Calibur 6 was Tekken's closest competitor. But lack of support, game breaking bugs, bad online experience, I lost all my save files twice and technical support was horrible. Soul Calibur 6 were the authors of their own demise.
RIP Soul Calibur 😢
thing is, to a greater extent than most 2d fighters, 3d fighting game series have historically been tied to individual "superstar" game devs-virtua fighter *is* yu suzuki, dead or alive is the specific eccentric passion project of itagaki-and often in the japanese dev scene when the One Dude responsible for a series moves on, the series basically dies, no matter how historically successful or significant it might be.
of the major 3d fighting games, tekken is the only one with its original "parent" still kicking it at home and being weird. once harada retires (after tekken 9, he currently suggests), there will be no one left to confidently champion further development-and likely anyone strange and talented and strong-willed enough to carry things on would rather work on their own projects.
i'm simplifying things a lot, obviously, and there's rarely just one factor with any of this stuff. but also consider, back on the 2d front, how the primary reason we haven't had another fatal fury since 1999 is that after the aruze debacle there wasn't anyone left at snk/playmore with the passion and motivation to make it happen. now there is, and that's why we're getting a new game.
As an avid Tekken 8 enjoyer I do gotta say I miss DoA2 & 6's Hold system
Great job breaking down all the fighters, Roof.
You already know I'm with you on that VF hype train.
I can't wait to see some new footage.
Keep up the good work, bro.
Peace.
There's some funny business with Harada asking about VF6... and then Ono asking about TxSF...
That said? I think there's a time and space for a Battle Arena Toshinden relaunch, here.
I would love to see a Dead or Alive or SoulCalibur reboot
Sc already got Rebooted woth Sc6. A Sc7 would be Sc2 Timeframe taking place in the New sc Timeline
I could be very wrong here, but i feel that 3d fighters are way more expensive to make, and that's why only the big boys of fighting game producing make them
I really don't think so honestly. Other than the fact the stage is also part of the gameplay theres nothing inherently more expensive or difficult about a 3d fighter. Like the SF6 models are way better than the Tekken 8 ones and probably cost more to make. Making a dude sidestep doesn't cost $$$
@@rooflemongerMaking a 3d game may not be harder by itself, but I think that making a GOOD LOOKING 3d game is the thing that's hard. Even in 2d games, the ones with good looking 3d graphics are only done by relatively big boys, and most of the few indie fighters with 3d graphics out there don't look good
I bought VF5 for my PS4 and its so damn fun. I feel like past versions of VF5 were hard to get into, but when I tried Ultimate Showdown, it just made sense to me. I am very excited for something like Virtua Fighter 6, and I really hope the leaks are all true about it
i still have my hopes up for bloody roar and a new BlazBlue game
YES i see another Bloody Roar Fan! You are goated my friend!
I remember Harada once responding to someone who was asking about the possibility of a Dead or Alive guest character in Tekken 8 and he said that because of the current state of the franchise, it's unlikely. I would argue that it's because of the current state of the franchise that there should be a show of appreciation for the actual fighting game series (I know Dead or Alive has been involved in a lot of collaborations, but they were all related to Venus Vacation and for gacha games like Azur Lane and Destiny Child). The only game I can think of that had a crossover with DoA was King of Fighters All Star, the only place where every major fighting game franchise (minus MK) came together and it wasn't even a fighting game... and it's shutting down this month. My need for a DoA fix has gotten so bad that I'm now holding other fighting game franchises responsible for keeping its legacy alive.
And while I'm rambling, I bought Tekken 8 recently because I could get it at like $30 off, I have it ready to go on my PS5 with updates and such... haven't even booted up the actual game. I went right back to Street Fighter 6 when Terry launched. There isn't really a character in Tekken 8 I'm crazy about and the two I'm willing to play either have a risk/reward mechanic that doesn't fit my playstyle or I've heard is a very weak version of the character. And none of the DLC fighters are interesting to me, except for Heihachi for reasons that make me laugh my ass off or facepalm. I'd rather go back to Tekken 7 and play Kunimitsu (you can see I have a type).
Bloody Roar is coming back?!!??! Gotta polish my Stun!
Shenlong, Uranus, and Uriko!
If vf6 has the same amount of single player content as 4: evolution, it would already be in the top 5 fgs of the generation.
VF coming back is great but I want a Sonic the Fighters sequel.
Can we settle for sonic riders?
I'd unironically be down for a Sonic Fighting game. I'd just hope they make it good this time.
Another reason that there hasn't been another VF in years is that VF always served as a tech demo for Sega's latest arcade hardware, and as far as I know, Sega hasn't really been developing any new revolutionary hardware like they used to. VF always had this goal of pushing the boundaries of what a game could be or do, and the developers don't want to make a new game if they can't do something new.
I think the most controversial thing a new VF game could do is to basically sell out and tack on some kind of meter system that al the other 3D fighters eventually did. VF's uniqueness is how grounded it is. It's the one popular fighting game that has stuck to being about martial arts and not superpowers. Its primary comeback mechanic has always been ringouts rather than a high damaging super move. I'm hoping that for VF6 they find a way to add a mechanic that still feels grounded and doesn't mess up the game. Elevated terrain like in VF3 or Tekken 4 was the right idea but ultimately unable to work out.
Given the director of Ultimate Showdown’s recent comments on the growing complexity of fighting game mechanics, I doubt that the next VF will have some meter comeback mechanic unless it was a higher up mandate
The VF team needs to make a Yakuza-franchise based fighting game. You could get NJPW,VF, Fighting Vipers, Lost Judgement, Shenmue DLC.
I really REALLY enjoyed DOA6. It was a great blend of 3D gameplay with anime combos. I guess T8 is kinda filling that void. DoA would have to have some inspired gameplay to knock the king off the throne.
But then... Renting hair colors. Renting. Hair colors. That was certainly a choice on Team Ninja's part.
TL;DR Momiji needs to come back in a fighting game.
Virtua fighter has to literally reinvent the fighting game genre for it to be successful. What can they do, to reinvent the genre? That’s why there’s no virtua fighter
2XKO!!!!
I don’t really play 3D fighting games but I do want options for people that love them
I missed Dead or Alive.
We need a new Virtua Fighter that is on Steam.
we need any vf on steam. As it stands besides emulation the only way to play a virtua fighter game on PC is to buy one of the yakuza games on steam and then play VF inside those games.
Mark from the Electric Underground made a great point that games like VF5, by not being updated for years, are complete in some sense, and aren't subject to the usual turmoil you get when games are updated and patched. That doesn't mean more people play them but for the people who still do, they're better games for it.
VF5 US is a great game and if that's all there was for a while longer, I'd not be too upset. But the idea of a VF6 both excites and concerns me... it must avoid "modernisation" like Tekken 8 has suffered. No meters, no stupid monetisation, it just needs to be that classic VF gameplay with some new characters and not too much changed. With a game that perfect, it's easier to mess things up than it is add anything new of worth.
That's why I still don't think that this is a "Fighting Game Golden Age." Sure, 2-D fighting games are going strong, but 3-D fighters need more love. There aren't even remasters or collections of the old 3-D fighters.
This might sound unfair but I do wonder if the 3D era of Mortal Kombat played a part in all of this. If such a big and influential company went from middling results trying to make things work in the 3D space Only to just explode by going back to 2D, that sorta observation might make devs/publishers hesitant.
I’m probably talking out my ass but who knows. It does feel kinda quaint looking back how back in the day, so many games were taking flak if they stayed in 2D pixels land like street fighter and not embracing “the future” presented by Tekken and Virtua fighter and now…. We’re kinda back to where we started sorta.
Here's my take on that...fighting games are already pretty niche. And 3d fighting games are even more niche. Probably a popularity and sales issue. Only Tekken would probably be immune to this due to their large fanbase.
As a 3D fighting game enjoyer, I felt this one. We really need another one--I've never been much of a Tekken fan, and the newest entry didn't change that opinion.
I am mixed. I grew with Tekken starting from 1 through 7 and Played Tekken Tag Games and Even Liked Tekken Tag 2( Its Failure was actually on Harada He said that game would be Balanced but never Patched) and i dislike Tekken 8 over Aggression style. Tekken was about knowing combos, Moves and Timing and experience not Just Aggression.
Bro I want a new DOA so bad, hopefully if they make a new one they do it right this time
The thing with DOA and SC is that there are no obvious people to lead new games in the franchises. Both Shimbori and Okubo are gone from Team NINJA and Namco, respectively (with Shimbori moving to Namco to do Tekken). The the question now is who in both companies would be willing to champion both franchises.
Bloody Roar? Please? Maybe?
Or... any new traditional 3D fighter?
Please? :c
We were truly spoiled with the 90’s and early 00’s with 3D fighters.
Bloody Roar, Battle Arena Toshinden and Rival Schools all need to come back.
Dead or Alive will always hold a special place in my heart.
I would like to have a new DOA or virtua fighter.
Tekken scared me
It's a good moment for a 100% new 3D to be born, or Bloody Roar to finally be remembered and revived.
nuts to virtua fighter, me and the 15 other fans of the franchise want Fighting Vipers
Unreal how 2d fighters have taken over 3d fighting games again. It's just a complete lack of creatively and money making that has ruined the momentum of 3d fighters