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Jumper T-Pro chose form over function. Was it worth it?
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - How did this even happen?
0:46 - The Jumper T-Pro is the best radio Jumper has made in this category
2:11 - It runs off 2S 18650 cells and fixes several issues with the T-Lite
3:36 - It runs OpenTX or EdgeTX. Why that's good.
• How to install OpenTX ... - How to download OpenTX Companion and set up your first model
• Three ways to flash Op... - Three ways to flash OpenTX if you decide to update your firmware
4:03 - Radio controls, switches, and buttons
5:42 - The 6pos buttons do not work like you expect
8:10 - The gimbals
10:11 - Trim switches
• Your trim switches are... - How to turn your useless trim switches into useful rotary switches
10:47 - Why you might not want to use the internal RF module
12:11 - External module bay for use with Crossfire Tracer Ghost ELRS
12:50 - How to set up arm switch on the momentary shoulder switch
16:29 - What do you get for your money with the T-Pro. Is it worth it?
17:56 - Radiomaster Zorro is the real competition for this radio
That animation cost me $300. Was it worth it? How about you go hit the damn like button.
It definitely was so awesome 👏
Every last penny man lmao
Totally worth it!!! Comedy Au 🤣😂
Absolutly hilarious ! 😂😂😂
Deffo worth it 🔥
oh boy this intro hahaha what a trip.
That animation is golden😂
Definitely 😂
This is a next level of Joshua intros I'm entirely ready to embrace. We need someone to start a compilation now.
I don't mind a three position switch for arming. You put arm in the middle and disarm at the top and bottom. That way no matter what you do with the switch you're disarming it when it's armed.
double dangerous
i always use a 3pos with prearm. that way you cant accidentally arm it, you have to switch it to middle first, wait, and then arm.
I have several times throttled up too fast (aka shit my pants and tried to bail out) and accidentally flipped the switch above from middle to top, and then panic and flip it all the way down, totally missing the middle position, and then birdie go bye bye LOL. I have changed the functionality of said switch to have no negative effects should I accidentally flick it, meaning I set arm at top, disarm at bottom, and something arbitrary like "LED's off" in the middle - but that's just my preference - peace bro
I use: Up - disarmed, Middle - armed with angle mode, down - Armed with acro mode and air mode. That way, if I need angle mode for an emergency, I can. It's saved me a few times.
@@sunsetpark_fpv top disarm, middle arm, bottom disarm.
Once Zorro hits the scene, please do a video showing them ALL. All the gamepad controllers, even the PlayStation controller itself. I get tired of people feeling that any one model owns the space, or that any one company has invented a truly novel idea with their controller. I would love to see the evolution over time.
WHY ISN'T EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT THE INTRO 😂😂 absolutely golden, more please
How to map those 6 stupid buttons in OpenTx to a 6 positions on a single channel.
6 positions maps into -100 to +100 range like this.. -100 -60 -20 20 60 100
Go to Mixer screen. Select output channel, edit.
Source - push the first button.
Then set the weight to -50 and offset to -50. Now that button will contribute either -100 or 0 to the output.
Back to mixer, select the same row, hold down enter, and select Insert after.
Source - push the 2nd button..
Weight -30 offset -30..
Repeat for buttons 3-6 with weight -10 offset -10, weight 10, offset 10, weight 30 offset 30, and weight 50 offset 50.
Every button not selected will contribute 0 to the output, and the button selected contributes weight + offset..
Maybe switch them in the radio itself (tell the radio (under hardware ?!) it's a six position "switch") idk if that's possible ?! 😅
The animation was the most exciting piece of fpv content to come out in years! well played and congrats on winning the fpv internet.
As a lover of trim switches, I need to say how brilliant the trim switches are on that radio! I hate trying to hold a airplane in the air that wants to die while searching with my other hand for two or three different sets of trim switches
but be aware that on such slider trim switches you know its position and how to push it how much.
These joystick dials look nice but in the air it becomes more difficult.
I am talking from not owning this unit but my experience with such integrated joysticks with additional push button in the center cause I had used such for controling a camera and that was not as nice as with any slider kind controls.
But I agree that it looks nice, feels nice in the beginning but in case of a trouble situation a dedicated might show its advantages cause it feels more intuitive to feel where the slider sits now and how much I had pushed that forward instead of counting short clicks like pressing a button.
But counting such clicks needs a sound which will require a sdcard to put some sounds on it.
You need to have it in your hand and play around with them in the air to be able to judge.
This is the reason I wait for the video of JB to come out before I make a purchase. All the other bloody TH-camrs just spoke about what's new and gave a rozy picture. Only JB told what's what. Huge Respect to you my dear Sir. Please never change. THANKS 👍
That intro was amazing. It goes perfectly with your sense of humor. Please keep the animations coming.
The video I was waiting for! No one tutorials like Bardwell
Fantastic review, Joshua! Thanks! 😃
I totally agree about the momentary switches and the 6 position switch... I hope there's some way to mod it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
IMO I think the t-lite was a better value and form facter . the Jumper T Pro's button layout/logic was a backwards evolution
The only thing that kills me is the 2 momentary switches. Who uses momentary switches with drones except maybe beeper. Or rth maybe. I can live with everything else
Radiomaster zorro seems the better upgrade. Just add battery pack.. though it's ugly lol
That's saying a lot! Because it's not like the T-Lite isn't full of it's own issues! Sure is! :(
The t.lite is the perfect radio for me. If they added internal elrs i d be the last radio i buy.
Exactly and sadly it looks like the T-lite has been discontinued. After a couple mods like cutting the switches down, adding a lanyard strap and replacing the stiff gimbal wire this thing is a perfect radio for me, hopefully the Radiomaster Zorro is a good replacment when I need one although I think I'll try and make an ELRS handset with a T-lite case if mine dies.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 Do you mean the stiff gimbal springs? If so what did you replace them with? Thank you
I wish DJI would let us use their smaller controller with the air units and vistas. I love to use the built-in control link without adding another receiver and another antenna to the quad.
That would be so amazing. I love the controller that comes with the Dji fpv drone. And plus range would be really good. Hopefully in the future there will be a way to do it. The functionality is there. It would be so easy for Dji to connect that controller to their air unit.
WOAH the intro was amazing more of this please!
and that b-roll! joshua is really stepping up his game
TY! I'm about 2 months into this hobby and am receiving one of these and a HM Slim ELRS Module Monday morning. This couldn't have come at a better time.
I dont see any problem about 6pos switch acting like this. You can always create mix to use it on one channel. And individual momentary switches is much more convenient to use as logical conditions which you usually want to do with flight-mode selector
I want one of these but with ELRS inbuilt! 5in1 module maybe?
That would just be awesome. Take my. Money! But even if they only release 2.5 ELRS i am in... Duel band 2.4 and 900mHz would be a dream!
Hey JB. Great review! I'm waiting for Radiomaster Zorro review!
Started my FPV journey recently. Started with the t lite. Ordered the new pro, still waiting and found a tango 2 in stock. Now I guess it will be a back up. Tango 2 definitely feels higher quality. I don't think I will ever financial recover from this 😂.
What, B-roll? Stepping up the game, I like it!
Love the intro and the inlay of the screen while clicking the buttons.
@Joshua Bardwell this controller is boss. I went to it from taranis. About the 6 button switch you can fix this is page 2 of the model setup, goto page 2, scroll down to function switches, and remove the 1 2 or 3 behind. It looks like this sw1 - 2pos - -. If you do this to every switch you can all have them on at the same time.
Awesome 😮
@@CgitEinsteins you’re welcome
WTF how have I never seen this before.
I can't figure out how this actually works. The default setting of 2pos works as I describe in the video. You can change the switches from 2pos to Toggle and then they just seem to stop working. If you actually know how this works please email me joshuabardwell@gmail.com and explain it I would very much appreciate it.
EDIT: ok I figured out the grouping setting to let you turn it into individual 2pos switches, but the "toggle" setting still seems to do nothing.
@@JoshuaBardwell i Will e-mail you a picture of my setup
My Zorro is ordered ….RadioMaster appears to have been listening to you specifically… way to go JB!
Brooo, you just brought fpv content on a new dimension.
i use a 3 pos switch for arming, as long as i am flying. arming up, disarm middle, beeper down.
When I got my Jumper T12 Pro I thought it was a bit overpriced. But now, after 1.5 years I realized that it was the best radio for me. The body is pretty comfortable, hall-effect gimbals... Just added there custom stick ends, Crossfire module and Edge TX. And this is an ultimate thing for my needs.
edit: The classic arming switch is essential for me. I can disarm exactly when I need to. Few times I landed in the trees even without damaging props, lol. So personally for me the ergonomics even better than Mambo.
+1. Jumper T12 (even non-pro) still the best radio feature-wise. 6 nice switches, optimal size, standard module bay, decent gimbals. And it was under $80 with the external, separately reusable, multiprotocol module!
For 2 years I've had to scroll through all the pages when I overshoot one 🤣 I wish I saw this vid when it came out lmao
I just got this radio today. For simplicity and instant gratification, i set up arm and turtle on the 3 position switches. I found them a little hard to reach and had to reposition my hand a little to arm or disarm. I will set sticky switches to toggle arm and air mode and see how that goes. Would like to assign flight modes to the 6 buttons above the screen as well. This could be a good radio. Thank you for explaining how to utilize it better!
"Maybe it's DJI GREY" I choked, ahahahah
JB I think you nailed it when you compared the color scheme to DJI - it has that "polished" look to it - it psychologically suggests to me that its good quality.....
Why do they always get it so close but never quite there!!! I’d love to see it in black, fixed 2 position switch and the 6 position along the top, offer the foldable sticks TBS does, with ELRS inside with all the other features this radio already has and they would have my money!
Yup! Jumper can't seem to get it all right! Time and time again. They need to send out beta test radio's that the reviewers can help them with to get it all just right! Their design team at Jumper, is not good!!!
That intro came out of nowhere and I like it
"long press to go back" thanks! Haha I always overshoot the right page
Looking forward to the set up video - I’m surely going to need it! Thanks!
The intro was amazing! Lmao so good!
Loved this video! Thanks for all the tips and practical observations. I'm annoyed to have to buy another transmitter, but this is so much more portable and polished looking (my big one looks like those old ones from the 70s with a huge antenna with a flag on it), that I'm sold. At least it's cheap!
I'm sure someone else has mentioned it in the comments, but it looks like there's an option to specify the duration necessary to activate the momentary button. Making a full 1-second press required to arm/disarm seems like a reasonable way to avoid a boo-boo.
The intro reel was FANTASTIC!
When a review makes you smile before you even get to the review!
awesome intro joshua
This opening is great 😄
Haha! Awesome intro! 😁Great information too👍
I'm relieved that I don't regret buying Xlite pro, after seeing this video
Hella funny animation 🤣, & awesome information, I'm sooooo glad you do what you do the way you. Thank you, seriously.
OMG! That toon video was priceless!!!!!
the problem with sticky keys for arm switch is not the arm state, it is as you've stated the disarm state. It is much better to use both momentary switches for this. And this is the only reason I am not buying to t-pro as an upgrade to my loved t-lite.
Alternate approach for one button momentary arming/disarming. Require press and hold for 1 second, like this.
Logic switch L1
a>x
V1 - press momentary switch to select it
V2 - 0 (switch value will go to +100 when pressed to make this true)
Delay: 1.0
Logic switch L2
Stky
V1 - L1
V2 - L1
Then trigger arming channel off L2 in special functions.
When you press and hold the switch, it'll wait a second, then L1 goes active and that causes L2 to toggle
If you want a little added protection can create
Logic switch L3
a
Personally I always want disarming to be as fast as possible and with as few conditions as possible.
I don’t think delay will accomplish what we want here. We want to hold the button for 1 second to arm so if the button is bumped it won’t arm.
The following will require the momentary be held for 1 second to arm. It will disarm instantly with a quick press, which I prefer as Bardwell does also. I used SJ in the example since that’s what my TX16S has, but any momentary can be used to match what the radio has.
L01/sticky/L02/SJ down
L02/Edge/SJ down/ 1.0
Then use L01 in the mixer (channel 5 if ELRS) to arm
😁
@@ooOoo..... I already tested my approach and it works as described. A momentary bump will not arm it. It requires a long press to arm, and a long press to disarm. I can't imagine why anyone would then want a momentary bump to cause an instant drop from the sky but if your approach does that, then great.
edit: I tested your lines both with SJ down and it didn't work. Had to change the Edge line to SJ up (the other down) and then it worked.
@@daemn42 I tested your method and you’re right, it works as you intended it to. I tested mine and it also works as I said, and I use it all the time to fly with, so maybe you have something else messed up?
I like the instant disarm so when I crash into a tree or bush my motors aren’t trying to run while I’m waiting for it to disarm. I have 5 amp ESC’s and it wouldn’t take long to fry one. Some people may have other reason, like for safety or whatever. It’s not as easy to accidentally hit a switch when flying and my hands are in a fixed position on the radio as compared to before a flight as I’m fumbling around with getting everything ready.
As long as what we each do works for us that’s all that matters 😁
@@ooOoo..... I misinterpreted where you were putting the 1.0. With 1.0 in the start edge time, it works with SJ down in both places. But it only arms when you release the button after 1 sec. There's no feedback to let you know you've waited long enough. Also if while armed, you hold the button down for more than a second it will disarm immediately as intended, and then rearm as soon as you release which is a bit quirky.
The alternate approach I found is to set the edge time back to 0.0, set it to SJ up (true edge detect seems to be reversed from what seems logical) and then add a 1.0 sec delay to L01.
Now it will arm after holding the button down > 1 sec, stays armed on release, and disarms instantly on next press no matter short or long.
L01 Stky L02 SJ down delay 1.0
L02 Edge SJ up [0.0:--]
First thought is the same. But again there might be a point of having the six pos this way. In elrs the aux channels are on/off so modes will be so much easier to set up this way. If you using any other protocol where you like all modes on one channel to save channels instead then there is no problem combining then in openTX into one channel. That is basically the old bardwell trick to save channels with several normal 2 and 3pos switches ;-) Each switch just using add to the channel.
So actually it might just not be dumb but genius design if you think of this. Really hope they keep this behavior in the elrs version.
I don't own this radio, but if you want to use the 6-pos switch similar to the tx16s i got a theory. You might be able to create six special functions (one for each of the buttons) and let them override all the same channel with a fixed value each (e.g. -90 -54 -18 18 54 90). that way only one channel gets used.
edit: tested this on my qx7, in theory it is working (I used two switches and reset them manually, when the other one was activated)
i would want a pushbutton at the tap of my finger and i would use it as a throttleblip that would be handy for sure.
so u dont even need to push the stick up and then all the way down to do a trick you just push the button for x amount of time and it wil give u a preset amount of throttle.
so if u just need a blip of throttle for a trick u just push the button and then stick down
I JUST ORDERED ONE, SO LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR VIDS ON THIS
Epic editing 👌
I absolutely love the cartoon addition.
What a production, JB!
Thank you for showing how to do the sticky button function! I can finally use my momentary switches on my xlite for other functions :)
Here's an ever more clever use if you want more than 2 positions: th-cam.com/video/wa43z6XohW4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=JoshuaBardwell
Very cool animation!
I can already see someone designing a 3D print to remove one momentary switch and installing a 2 postion rocker/toggle switch.
Watching the teardown video of it, installing a rocker/toggle switch certainly looks possible, but will have to stick out a bit so a 3D print is needed.
I'm thinking of getting one and I'm not too bad at designing such printed things.
@@licensetodrive9930 I think it's a must-do. Good luck. I'm sure you'll figure it out. 😎👍
I'm really excited for this radio. i think the momentary sholder switches are going to be great for rc planes (bomb drop, flaperons or spoilerons etc. or even for some of the fpv combat modules)and combat robotsl. i has lost numberous switch arms to kids so im really loving the slim shoulder switches. unsure about the six button switch though. looking forward to the set up guide.
Awesome Video JB!
you can program the 6 dual position switches to control one channel. It's 6 lines of output programming, but than it behaves like it did before.
Long Press to go backwards :heart:
Seems like a bigger deal is made about 6-postion buttons than should have at 5:44. Being an OpenTx radio, the buttons can be easily setup as old-style AM/FM car-radio buttons, or like a modern audio/video mixer where inputs are combined into a single channel value.
Similarly at 5:20 in regard to the momentary switches. This too is fully configurable in OpenTx.
Is building a product a little different a bad thing? Maybe it's bad, there is no color LCD display as well?
That huge antenna in front is hilarious for 2.4, just pointing more to be a esthetics copy of the Tango2 .
Can’t wait for your Zorro review
I will be interested in seeing your review on the RM Zorro, head to head with this one
I bought the Zorro/ELRS and waiting for the postman to come, it's for my smaller drones and hope its better than this one.
That's great...but I've found I better not Pre-Order FPV gear, because until the reviewers get their hands on it, fly with, do a deep dive on it, you never know if it's gonna be good or not. Just look at Radiomaster's last game style radio - Didn't get good reviews at all. Not a great seller and too many complaints about this and that. Keeping my fingers cross for you! I've found patience is much less of a gamble... Because, as it stands it's like you went to the Casino and placed a bet on Black or Red. 50 / 50 chance of it not coming up your color.... ;)
WTF! The intro will haunt my dreams forever.
the best intro ever
I feel like every FPV question I have is followed within the hour by a video from Bardwell. 😂
Definitely wish I would have watched this video sooner LOL I demand more bardwell original shorts. Thanks for showing us inside the mind 😂 oh the radio is cool too 🙂
Hey Josh. I just got this radio. would love to see your setup guide for it, I'm just getting started with FPV and want to get things going the right way. Keep up the awesome vids.
Off topic but I’d love to see what you think of the issues of quality control In this hobby. What’s we need as far as companies supporting customers and what newbies should be aware of or what we should all watch out for.
Great video as usual. I guess you can use Logical Switch to use single each of the button of the six positions switch with the sticky mode
Pita but you could do logic switches then have each switch trigger logic conditions that override channel whatever to values that make it act as a 6 POS switch.
What. The. Hell. Did. I. Just. Watch. At. The. Start???
LOOOOOOL
Thank you Joshua! U were right in time, so I cancelled my Jumper T-pro order!!!
Im very surprised they manage to F. up with such basic stuff... Are they first day in RC business? Didn't they know the need of arming switch? Or they don't know how should that 6 chan switch working?
Im very surprised they manage to fail so badly at a steady road
Though I do like the design and that breading between DJI and Tango 2, thats was very good idea.
Switching from sbus to elrs I noticed its very linear different then sbus , sbus is a solid link not far but solid where the elrs is alot smoother but not as quick response seems artificial or mabey its the frysky gimbles vs Jumper t .. the elrs are cheap for example ordered 4 only 2 worked 2 of them stuck in bootloader mode also the reconnect time is much longer on elsr where as if you have a high 160c battery and you max throttle lose to much voltage voltage its over by them time the receiver reboots you have crashed putting a battery beeper connecting my receiver to the same voltage pad always have power .. like the cheap flight controllers and esc's for $11 I just buy 2 more support my FPV company's
loved blues . perfect video style ...do it more please . please .please
Its easy:
1.Position: Arm
2.Position: Disarm
3.Position: Turtle mode
brilliant review
Maan that intro!! Wooohhoooo!!!
I have chose the Zorro, much better switch/button layout, and trim switches for my planes.
Anyone that vapes will have no issues with batteries for this. We already have the chargers and probably an extra pair of batteries laying around. You can charge them way faster than 12 hours on the usual cheap vape stuff.
Don't most vapes use 18650?
It looks like the radiomaster zorro is the way to go for me since I use ELRS and I like the ergonomics. Though I'm perfectly happy with TX16s.
Also that intro was the best part of the video 🤣
Amazing intro !!!!
Still prefer my X Lite Pro, but you get what you pay for. Nice Genesis intro though 😁
I'm waiting for Zorro.....He was a Cinema Hero when I was right years old....lol ..🤔🇬🇧😀
Use a LS function to override a channel to the desired value. Easy solution.
O-No Josh I think Blunty was looking at your video right before you aired it. LOL was waiting for for the HOMER to make a Appearance. I still run the original game style radio, My 1st generation FRSKY Xlite. Ya stop laughing. at least I have crossfire on my quads. For my airplanes I have a SPEKTRUM 8ch . If I was starting out in this Hobby? I definitely would get a Jumper. Thanks again for the video and information.
Homer as FRSKY Horus
LMAO 😆 the intro!!
More intros like this please !!!
Most disappointing thing is missing ELRS internal module, but Jumper says that it "will be available very soon". So I wait for it. 6 switches give us 2^6=64 position binary switch. :) Don't think we need so much. Or we can separate it to several binary groups.
I hope they make a T-Pro 2, it’s the best looking radio and has plenty of features but they need to work on the switches, especially a 2-way-flip for arming. And they need to talk to the geniuses of ELRS so flashing etc. works as intended…
WHAT THE F THAT ANIMATION WAS SO AWKWARD THEN I REALIZED WHAT IT IS AND I WAS LOLING A LOT :D :D :D :D :D: D: :D: :D: D: :D: D::
so apart from the 6 position switches being next to useless, sticks are too long, momentary shoulder switches ,screen that is too small for my old eyes and an antennae that is 90 degrees out from where it should ,.... its ok
arh i am going to stick with the Tlite and wait for openTX2.4 and dig out my nirvana...
thanks joshua for the video but i am going to wait for the perfect radio.
nice animation sir I like it
It should be pretty easy to make one virtual six position switch out of those six buttons with some logic conditions.
Maybe switch them in the radio itself (tell the radio (under hardware ?!) it's a six position "switch") idk if that's possible ?! 😅
It looks exactly like the DJI FPV RC. Are there connections?