We need you back Dr. Sane! With _Rome Remastered_ getting a mixed reception, it would be interesting to hear your two cents on the matter. With the amount of negative backlash for the Remaster, I decided to finally reinstall _Rome II_ 4 years after I last played it. Since the "Warscape gang" are making lofty assertions that _Rome II_ is simply the better game in 2021, I even installed the vaunted Divide et Impera mod as well. The DEI mod sort of mitigated the problem of cavalry charges by increasing the morale shock received by units if they're attacked at the flanks and/or rear. But not even DEI version 1.2.7 managed to completely fix the lack of mass, poor unit collision, the 1 v 1 killmoves, etc. Your critique on the battles still hold true as of this writing in vanilla _Rome II_ I'm afraid.
Tried darthmod, total trash really. Siege battles were a mess, the AI would line up like it was some ordinary line battle through the fort and out of it, it made no sense at all. If one of the "best" mods for empire is that bad, I don't even wanna guess how bad vanilla empire is.
I love the Warhammer mod so far, the official warhammer TW is a mess anyway, overpriced and content that should be ingame, 17,50€ for a single faction..
Yea exactly why CA kicked Darth out of his ambitions in modding and even working in CA. So he quit from modding in protest. CA didn't like having Darth fixing their messy games every time they released a new one and thus turned their backs on him
I didn't get into it that much until the Kingdoms expansion. Now THESE are expansions worth to pay for, not cut content DLC's. Added variety in units and factions that I felt was lacking in the base game, and the athmosphere was just absolutely amazing. I think the Teutonic one was my favourite, but that could be because I'm a Pole (the kind that steals cars).
+dylan abrahams Which is less games fault and more of players fault... Surprise, when you use glitch to place tons of troops on exact same coordinates and then activate physics, the physics separates the troops from each others, who then try to return to their designated spots, but since you put more than 1 guy on the same spot, they can't!
+Mandemon1990 You're wrong (but also a bit right in that no normal player would place units on top of other units, although I think this was to demonstrate the lack of unit collision), in Rome 1 if you did the exact same thing the unit collision would prevent the units from clipping into each other in first place; Rome 1 is without a doubt technically superior in this respect. In Rome 1 you could position a unit 'on top' of siege equipment, trees and other units, but because of unit collision the units wouldn't glitch into anything. They would be unable to clip into them and would opt to get as close to their designated spots as possible before stopping, accepting obstacles as being in their formation. This system of unit collision allowed players to maneuver units through siege equipment, position units in dense forests, and move units through each other without breaking the immersion from seeing them glitching out whenever they collide with things, unlike in Rome 2.
Sapiens Ordinis Except, as you can see, moment the physics enter the play units are pushed out of hteir positions, attempt to move into their correct positions, notice it's filled, stop... and get pushed away more and more as physics try to fix the situation, causing unit to notice they are WAY out of formation and attempt to fix it... Rome 1 had same issues, especially early on. You can still cause the same glitch happen if you are persistent enough.
+Mandemon1990 What is apparent to me is that you largely missed the point of my comment; the point was that Rome 1 fixed this issue (units clipping into each other) by simply implementing unit collision, whereas Rome 2 didn't. Sure, Rome 1's unit collision is imperfect and, as you said, "You can still cause the same glitch happen if you are persistent enough", In Rome 1 I can take 20 units, 240 men each, and flood a single enemy unit and watch as the thousands of troops glitch into each other, but what you should notice is that the units are not gliding into then out of each other all the time, it only happens when you're "persistent enough". (BTW, I have no clue what "especially early on" means; you gave no context.) In my experience, your complaints of Rome 1 also having some of Rome2's issues are completely false. In Rome 1, (using 20 units, 240 men each) I can't place two units directly on top of each other in pre-battle deployment, although I can overlap the units very tightly together (so they push each other out of formation). However, contrary to your claim, when I clicked 'start battle' the units stayed in exactly the same spots that I had 'deployed' them in; no pushing; no reshuffling; only acceptance of their disorganized formations. Why? Because the pre-battle deployment takes unit collision into account. Rome 2 doesn't do this because Rome 2 doesn't have unit collision. See a recurring theme yet? Rome 2's issue of units clipping into each other stem from the fact that Rome 2 doesn't have unit collision, which makes you wrong with regards to your first comment: "Which is less games fault and more of players fault"; it IS the game's fault, or more accurately, the Warscape engine's fault. You are also partially wrong when you said "and more of players fault", yes, players would normally accept non-game-breaking glitches and just move on. Players can, and should, tolerate some moderate steps backwards in terms of sequels, however when a sequel takes a titanic leap backwards to the point of alienating the original material and your 'veteran' players, it should come as no surprise that fans makes the justified move to highlight the boneheaded and careless decisions made by the developers.
Why the fuck can't they just redo the first Rome with an updated engine. That is literally all I want. Oh and a larger number of units for epic fuck ton battles. Then team up with other brands like LOTR or GoT and just do a Total War version of those stories.
Oh even HD remaster the first Rome with better graphics, more nations, units, bigger campaign map, more cities which would make everyone happy but then again we have mods for that they would say.
@@jackwei22 that is not gonna happen,rome 1 engine is hardcoded to have a max of 20 factions and has limits to campaign map as well,this is the rare ocasion a remake would be ebtter than a re release
Thats like buying a pizza and eating just the crust. Just play Crusader if battles are not your thing. Even if you're joking there are many who are serious.
Art Key It was a joke, kind of. The game has serious auto resolve issues. You can spam shit troops and win the auto-resolve that you otherwise not win in a manual battle...
AlexanderHL That is true. I can't recall that i've ever auto resolved aside from the tutorial or something. But for some reason i can't get into R2. I just glance at a fight close up and it drives me away. Tried yesterday as well. Plus charriots just run through troops like they're not there. Moronic. Back to Med 2.
I fucking love the kill animations in Warhammer 2 where it takes a giant 30 seconds to eat one goblin, meanwhile 30 archers are dumping arrows into it.
nailed it yet again. this time it is even worse - even more damning, even more poignant and profound; this time, valid criticism (all of your criticism) does not have the mitigator of possibly being made obsolete or irrelevant via patches and updates. "emperor edition" is the final iteration. the problems the game has today, have been there for a fucking year. everything true about the game now, will always be true. this video needs no update/sequel. you could make this video 10 years from now and it would be identical. i also returned to the game on the anniversary - after nearly a year of not touching it at all, period. everything you said resonates with me. the point about cavalry most visibly and painfully highlighting the problems with warscape - 100% agree. the point about the apocalyptic theme that is being used to market attila *also having been used* to market rome 2 (lmao what?!?!) - damn fucking right, 100% agree and would perhaps milk even further. so ridiculous it could not possibly be pointed out enough. it dumbfounds how much of the playerbase (remaining playerbase) not only has not apparently noticed that, but also has not taken wind of the legacy of downright fraud and deception, and are still managing to feel "hyped" about this game. the people that still manage to _care_ about the future of total war are just fucking retarded or are kidding themselves, they are hearkening back to a nostalgic time when they played rome 1, or are afflicted with some kind of childhood attachment syndrome or some other mental disorder. still giving more than even half of a fuck about the future of the total war series is almost always comorbid with being gullible and stupid as hell (i have experienced this first hand), or some other weird shit that i cannot even fucking begin to understand. i simply do not care one iota for attila at this point, the only difference between me and the average TW fan since rome 1 or earlier, is that i am still here in this discussion (mostly involuntarily) and they have probably moved on with their fucking lives. for me, nothing CA does from here on (post FOTS) is "real". the CA that made rome 1 and medieval 2 and shogun 2.. is fucking obviously dead. the corporate shadow that has necessarily been hanging over total war since its inception, and has been steadily strangling the franchise, has completely replaced and destroyed the _soul_ and essence of total war. the total war name is now just a hijacked vestige for what has become a churned out, pimped (whored) out piece of corporatised, commercialised garbage. once the nostalgia and romanticising finishes hemorrhaging out of the playerbase (even the dumbest of the dumb manage to learn), maybe the series can finally just fuck off and die. let someone else that knows (or remembers) how to make a good game take over. if attila is worthy of the total war name as determined by fans of the series that actually know a good total war game when they play one, it will almost certainly be a fluke. there isnt a single person around here that doesnt have something better to do than be duped by even more shitty trailers. if you want to jerk yourself off, use porn. every trailer that can be jerked off to is another £50,000 that doesnt go towards the actual fucking game. until "attila is actually an amazing game!" is being screamed from every rooftop, nobody in their right mind should give a single fuck about it and is adding to the cancer by doing so. P.S. nice cat. i am also a cat person and my cat is also black and white. he even has white paws like yours.. holy shit.
Damn bloody well right, I'm not going anywhere near Attila until "Attila is actually an amazing game" is being screamed from every rooftop. I mean good god what a disaster, the first time I ever pre order a game and that game is ROME 2! Never doing that again let me tell you...
It's very sad the dedicated developers of STW, MTW, RTW, M2TW are long gone and now we get SEGA marketing spin and lies, lots of Sonic Spinning hammers and swirling winds, Huge Cancer-growing cities, and ZERO game depth .. and constant spamming of paid DLCs trying to gain every $$$$$ out of us. Well , you can only lie once and get away with it, lets see how Attila sells ? They'll have to pull out M3TW to attract the punters back but how burnt are those punters ? We should all write to SEGA in Japan and complain about the antics of Rome2 release.
backreefoil Im sorry, but I really have to say that this is NOT SEGA's fault anymore. Originally I thought they had a big part to play, but then I re-watch the Rally Points, and witness the outright misleading and lies done by CA. The flaunting of a larger budget that SEGA obviously approved, and CA apparently dumped it into their marketing department. This is, in my humble opinion, all on CA at this point. Now do I think SEGA cares if CA burns itself to the ground? Yes, and their budget is likely going to get slashed since they've proven themselves to be an unreliable pile of dung heap making their signature title. But hey, they can sure make a horror game!.......bastards.
ah! - "autism"! - the state-of-the-art swearword against anything and anybody, that the mentally handicapped cannot fathom, but feel like lashing out against, as their _sapiophobic_ inferiority-complex starts tingling; esp. if the thing in question demands attention to detail, caring about something not everyone does care about, mustering your _brain_ -- all those sort of things! ... Never change, retards! - never change! - and don't ever learn, what "autism" actually means! So glad that the internet is this great equalizer, where even the ineloquent, the mentally handicapped and brute, the uneducated and the marginalized are being given a voice... like you! Equal opportunity -- it's so democratic!
I happen to be autistic myself lol May be the reason why I even bothered commenting. And yes, I too enjoy watching people go completely mad on the internet. With or without autism lmao
Whenever I get asked about Total War: Attila I usually just say "same engine, same problems" although after finding out that they're still using the same composer which is one of the easiest things to replace and fix I have absolutely no hope for Total War: Attila to be anything other than a Rome 2 Patch 20 dlc.
***** Napoleon Total War OST was just alright with a couple of great pieces. Which is, while not Empire nor Rome 2 bland, it's not atmospheric enough like other titles are.
Should have showcased Medieval 2's calvary charges. Those look, sounded, and even felt like they had weight when those heavy armored knights slammed into the backs of the enemy units
It's so amazing how a 10 year old game with an infinite lower budget is still better to this day. Long live Rome: Total War, rehire every God damn person that made that game! NOW!
Astounding job describing and demonstrating exactly why the game is still so inferior to its predecessors, despite all the patching and hype. Your epilogue is very neutral and honest, no hate found there. It's just the truth that Rome 2 is a hollow, well-made doll. My heartfelt thanks for your final take on the game, now I feel justified never managing to enjoy it. Farewell Total War: Rome II.
I'm so glad you did a video on this, my friends swear that it's a great game and I know it's absolute shit. Yet they refuse to play CK2 because they can't "Watch" the battles, it's a joke.
Skidmark123abc I think you're overcomplicating CK2, honestly you don't need a book to learn the game. But I can understand the frustration. HOI3 and EUIV are far more complex and made by the same company.
Agrippa Maxentius Lol, you do need a book to understand CK and other games like it (EUIV i'm looking at you). But the thing is, once you finish reading the book (or watching youtube videos like i did), it's a really good game no doubt.
Yeah it is, the graphical engine is called Warscape which is built into TW3, it's a real common misconception. Total War is the name of the engine, and it's on it's 3rd iteration. Every total war game has the silver badge that says Total War on the back (or front). This is the engine logo, much like Crysis games have "Cryengine" on the box somewhere.
Reynold Sanity Unless it's on it's way I would just like to ask if there will be a review for Attila as I want to get it as I love total war games but I would kill myself if it is like rome 2's release.
I come back to this videos about once a year. They're well stated, well written, decently comicly, and consumer savvy. I wish we had more content like this on TH-cam. Thank you for a great series of videos.
My god, I love your reviews! You should do more, for other games. I was so excited to see this upload! Thank you, sir. You are a champion for those TW fans who were massively let down by Rome 2.
Europa Barbarorum I and II provide the best battles of any TW-based game I've yet played. The units have mass, the battles are slowed down so you can actually employ tactics and grand tactics, the AI is smart enough to do things like flank you and try to charge its cavalry into your rear, disengage its units so they can hit other, weaker parts of your line and even withdraw its army before it is entirely destroyed if it calculates the odds of victory are close to nil. There are only some minor bugs that result in glitchyness that still need to be ironed out, but really, all CA really needs to do is fix them and they'll have an excellent battle engine. Almost all the work has already been done for them. A Rome II with a modestly upgraded Europa Barbarorum battle engine would have made an outstanding game.
It ocured to me during the last 5 mins of the vid... Watching him cover his cat in dirty socks while listening to the credts theme from Rome 1 put me in more of a mood for roman imperial war than actually playing Rome 2... GG
Still among the best personal rundowns of the mess that was Rome 2. I revisit your reviews often. This game did so much damage on my morale for the TW series that I really haven't played one regularly since. Such a shame.
I just play'd Medieval 2, and dear god, I almost cried when a single Knight charged into the middle of a unit of Archers and started hacking away. That one dude killed 10+ people in mere seconds.
You wanna know what the whole Rome series in TW feels like to me? I imagine Rome 1 as a Happy Meal at McDonalds. You get a burger, some fries and a drink. It’s great! You get everything you need in a meal, plus sides to polish off the main burger. But it’s true, the original meal gets a bit old, and maybe eating the same meal gets old after a while. So CA releases a new version of the Happy Meal. Except the meal is missing the Big Mac. But look! The drink is twice the size! … so after massive protests from their fan base, CA finally decides to release a third, “fixed” version. They’ve kinda learned their lesson, and put the burger back. Except it’s a cheeseburger, not a Big Mac. Also, the cheeseburger is missing the cheese. Goddamnit. But look! They've tripled the size of the drink! And added a smoothie! You really don't get it, do you CA?
earned a sub. i just got back to rome 1 i love it to much and i will play it for years on till a acctual game like rome 1 gets made by TCA i love using mods from the community on rome 1 right now im again using amazon and i love it. switching with folders to europa baraborm etc etc. rome 1 was unique knowing the money whores. this is the best we will ever get. no matter how old this game is i love it.
The killmove issue could have been so easily fixed by just adding animation cancelling. Sure it adds jank too, but it removes the gameplay issue of 99 dudes waiting patiently for the peasant to finish fighting one of their friends. If you got extra money left over from the coke fund, bridge that jank with some connective animations to let models flow freely out of killmove state.
34 dislikes ? that means 34 people clearly prefer mediocrity over quality games , if u enjoy the game or not u cannot say it is better then rome 1 , med 2 or shogun 2 , it falls way behind them sorry , stop lying to yourselfs
if people dislike videos, they push the dislike button. imputing something totally fallacious to them is an even more ignorant reaction than them pushing the dislike button after/while watching the video you seem to like so much. think about this.
Thomas S if u have been using youtube for a long time you know how it works , people will downvote or upvote vids without even watching them to suit their agenda , I watch all vids throughout , people will be biased and us total war players who have been playing these games for a long time know how good this franchise used to be , it isn't the same as it used to be and people blindly stick up for these decisions sega and ca have made to total war which have gone downhill , you cant even have a negative opinion without people getting it locked on the forums . this guy hits the nail on the head and still has people calling him an idiot when hes right , the people who have downvoted this video know exactly what im talking about , maybe there are one or two that are good people but stil didn't like it but I can have a good guess who most of the downvoters are ( check the forums for similar names ) now you know where im coming from thomas
I quite liked Attila, until one day I just grew tired of battle after battle after battle. It's just a series of battles, without the city management like in Rome and Medieval 2. I started with Rome 2, when playing Medieval 2 I noticed how I consciously specialised each of my settlements and how I really treasured my units since they wouldn't just magically regenerate. Now I've only got Rome and Medieval II installed.
Rome 1's music was so inspiring it brought ancient history to life it excited more than just gamers. Many historians were inspired too and one example is the decisive battles series. Its not just the creator of the series that might have been inspired if you think about it, if all the historians that participated in its making weren't also interested, then they wouldn't have taken part
This video is still relevant. Rome 2 is an enjoyable game, but it's a fucking tragedy that it falls short in so many areas that Rome 1 excelled in. Sequels are supposed to be better damn it.
I don't know why but Shogun 2 did the battle combat so amazing...but they were using the same shitty engine. I guess they managed to hide the terrible unit colision (there isn't any anyways).I remember how epic watching my spearmen sticking their spears up the enemies bum hole :D
Until this day i look åt your videos. I was 15-16 years old and bought the game. Because I did not know how bad game state was, and soon I would feel the wrath of that state. I was scammed. I did never that misstake agian, now I look at reviews on TH-cam and steam.
When this game was being made I was constantly checking TH-cam for updated videos on the subject, I was really looking forward to the game they made it look fantastic. The game itself like you said is just a shocking mess and I have lost confidence in the whole Total War series full stop.
***** "Or, maybe, you know, they're actually playing the game and can confirm or dismiss anything said in the video?" What a phenomenally stupid thing to say.
You never mention Napoleon Total War. I was just wondering about you're opinion on that game. Personally, its one of my favorite Total War games, the way I see it, NTW was a vast improvement over Empire. And the Napoleonic era is my favorite era in Modern history.
The reason he doesn't mention it is because he doesn't have the same complaints about it. Napoleon was a complete game but his reviews tend towards the incomplete crap instead
You're actually right: Napoleon is Empire done competently. It lacks some of the world map epicness, but the atmosphere of Napoleonic era makes it really immersive. Also, much better and dynamic combat compared to Empire.
The reason he does not mention them is because napoleon is basically an expansion, much like barbarian invasion to rome or fots for shogun 2 etc.. he is using the originals for his comparisons.
***** yes, thats what all the standalone expansions are for every game, they just improve on it. So is attila total war a standalone game to you then ??
Our messiah has returned! Gotta say, i was starting to lose hope for your position on Attila, but glad ya came through. Further, love how you summarised each of the total war titles on what they were about (that being said, im re-downloading m2tw now; my most played of the series)
ROME 1 WAS THE MOST EPIC GAME THAT HAVE EVER PLAYED...I M STIL CHASING CREATIVE ASSEMBLY FOR DELIVERING SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT GAME....after seeing your video all that nostalgic feeling came back
This video pretty much points out all the severe limitations/flaws of the warscape engine spot on. The combat setting of classical antiquity is more complex and mainly about formation fighting. The only formation implented in the game is the pikemen phalanx. There are no hoplite phalanx or legionairy formations (mutatio etc). There is unit collision (and there always was, it was a moddable value), but it's floaty and the biggest flaw is that doesn't take into account the density of a unit FORMATION. There's a tendency for formations to morph into balls basically and there's no sense of "personal combat spacing". An expansion can't redesign the game mechanics or implement a new engine. There's no way to ever make the warscape engine simulate battles well enough. CA needs to ditch or rework heavily the warscape engine. Shogun 2 worked because it was a combat setting which matches 1 on 1 spaced fighting. This can't be done in RTW2, since that doesnt fit classical antiquity.
Nice. I really wanted to see more of your reviews as they have excellent quality. Make sure you get around to making a review of attila when it comes out. Especially because im not going to pre-order a potential fuck-up again....
I agree with most of your points, however the "Stabbing him in the armpit" thing does actually make sense. That would be an unarmored part of the body because it needed to be unarmored to give more mobility to one's arms. But yeah it does look almost like flynning.
The scene in teutuburg forest reminded me of my experience getting max rank in that. It's really really easy. Step 1: leave behind 1 spearman every time a group attacks you. Step 2: have everyone else run away while the entire german force takes 5 minutes to kill 1 unit of spearmen because death animations.
+KukuřiceVideos Only if they avoid this game's fate. Hear Warhammer will get a new engine. If that's true, M3TW might just be a decent game. Not holding out hope though.
In empire, the general unit is usually poor against light infantry or regular line even though they are meant for melee combat, that's due to this fucking engine.
How about we call the first engine "Originalium" sounds latin-ish representing that it came from Rome 1 and it has Original in it, since it is the first engine
I love you Reynold Sanity. This review is the best review of Rome out there that all players of Total War games should watch. Please keep making videos like this Reynold. Your channel will grow because of the honesty and heart you put into your videos!
Funny thing.. the cataphract charges at 4:45 are actually best case scenario.. So many times, the charges just stops at the first man the unit is touching. So a successful charge or not just depends on luck. And because of the whole mechanic shit, shock cavalry in Rome 2 are almost of no use. In Cav vs Cav charge they're great. But for charging into the backs of the enemy infantry, the gallic light horses are just as good as companion cavalry, or should I say, just as bad. I had one online game, were tactically I was crushed. My opponent got one unit of fucking Socci Equites Extraordinarii behind my lines. He slammed them into the back of my infantry line. In Rome 1, and Medieval 2 it would have cause a mass route. But because of the warscape. The charge had no weight to it. So I still won confidently. Now, you could say it was a coincidence, but that game was 2v2, and it happened twice. Ps:
Many of the points in this video are...well, subjective, IMO. I see where you're coming from with the mo-cap kill animations, the way the units collide in a clunky manner, etc., but I've found some of those things to be the high points, not the lows. The kill animations are fucking wicked (decapitations, shoving swords in stomachs and watching the blood and agony of the enemy, dismemberment! Fuck yeah!) when I look at them, and I've done plenty of acting myself. You say they hit each others' shields and swords like they're five year olds, seemingly attacking them instead of going for one's weak-points or actual body, but sword and board combat was very much like that. They'd smack their shields together, they'd clash swords, they'd get seemingly nowhere until an opportunity presented itself, then they went for the kill with even more tenacity. Fighting like that was long, arduous, and almost pointless to some. It was about tiring out your enemy, and the more you could hit their shield or take their hits meant you could last much longer, and thus present less opportunities to be killed or wounded, but open them up to more. Also, once you killed enough of their men (which was honestly a small percentage), they would route in a panic, and most of the quick slaughter would occur there. Much of the combat was not singular units pitted against one another. The Barbarians fought like that, but the Greeks, Romans, Punic Cultures- they fought in formations as units, and thus functioned like machines moving as one mass rather than a rabble of men waiting to go toe-to-toe with other soldiers. The Greek Phalanx, the Roman Maniple and Cohort systems, the Samnite Camillian(The spelling could be wrong) are great examples of this. So, with that in mind, I find much of it rather realistic (except when they stab their sword straight through the Lorica Segmentata of my legionaries, I mean, c'mon!). Granted, the killing should be less dramatic, as they'd go for quick stabs to the stomach under the armor in most cases, but I overlook that detail for the sake of gameplay. The overhaul mod I use (Divide Et Impera) improves these aspects and makes the combat slower, but the groundwork was laid by the developers. With my love for the combat in that respect, I overlook the clipping of units and the clunkiness of the cavalry, as every game has its quirks, and you have to invoke your imagination to fill the blanks. I also find the charges to be rather satisfying, though the units all stopping at once is rather stiff. The patches, combined with the mods, my personal love for the combat, and the vast variety of factions and cultures, makes me love this game. I'm getting closer to 500 hours on the game (for me, it's a lot). I've loved most of the Total War releases, or in the very least understood why they were good but didn't get too invested with the theme. Overall, I got my return on investment, as I was one of those idiots who pre-ordered it. Am I comfortable with the vast amount of DLC coming out for the game? Yes when it comes to campaigns, as they're not really important in the grand scheme of the core game, but no when it comes to the factions, as they should be included in the base. I've been able to overlook many of the faults of this game, or simply get over them (saying "Get over it" is not effective in place of an argument, and I roll my eyes at Rome II defenders whenever they say it). It took a while for the game to get good, but it did IMO, and I'm loving every moment of the game (Well, not really. I get annoyed plenty with the game at times, but no more than I do with other titles). I see as to why you're still embittered by the game, and I see your points; they're valid and well articulated, so I really liked the video. What really told me that your video was effective was when it encouraged me to write this dissenting, lengthy comment, because you did a proper job in presenting your points; it opened the door for discussion, rather than a door for ranting on misrepresentation...but you did cherry pick some of those clips when comparing the combat, honestly. The Battle of Teutoberg forest was heart-pounding for me, even if everyone wasn't getting annihilated in seconds. But I digress. Good on ya for making this, as Rome II shouldn't get too much slack for the shit it pulled, but I personally feel that the game is worth it when the game isn't $60.00 for most people. I think I've gotten my full price though with 500 hours of playtime.
Huh, "The More You Know". Never would've thought the Gauls fought in that style. So, was it the Germans that fought more individualistically then? I swear that it was some group of barbarians, maybe not as broad as I implied, but I know some in particular did so. Also, the Romans were indeed in looser formations, but they were still fighting as a single unit; they may have personal defense, but the man to their sides could always aid in a fight and return to the foe they were focused on. They trained as a unit, they fought as a unit.
That would be the presumption, yes, but plenty of barbarian tribes and most of the armies in the middle ages weren't nearly as organized. Often units would look a rabble of varied armor and weapons, they wouldn't have the discipline to hold and utilize the formations and tactics the Romans had. While it's true soldiers will personalize their loadouts no matter how organized a military is, there wasn't the same uniformity for most armies save those of post-Marian Rome, Alexander's Pike phalanxes, etc. The strength of the formation was not necessarily the individual skill of the soldiers (that certainly helped), but the ability to hold the formation and to rely on one another won the day more than someone's fine skills with swordsmanship. Less organized forces have less cohesiveness, and thus rely more on the individual strength of its soldiers. They didn't go into battle alone, but they didn't all operate as efficiently. So, perhaps the question isn't if an army did or did not train as units. There were times that groups would be assembled that were simply a loose collection of soldiers that couldn't do much beyond simple orders, but they still fought as a unit. The question, I think, would be the integrity of the unit's cohesion and coordination. In terms of discipline, did anyone have much on the Romans in that respect? I can only think of the Greek city states and the Carthaginians.
The most profound, entertaining, and factual with proven examples review/ revisit of Rome 2 on the internet. After watching part 1 of your last video I made popcorn so I could prepare myself for the feel/anger journey ahead. You sir are a boss. For a change how about you do a revisit to Medieval Total War 2? And talk about the good stuff in the same way you did about Rome 2's bad stuff. That'd be something id get the tim tams out for.
You literally do the most homest and in depth total war reviews. I am very happy that you brought this to light... All of these points you make make me say yep uh huh yep. Just sad.... First tw i didnt buy at release was attila... And i loved barbarian invasion
You compared Shogun 2 sound effects with Rome 2. Keep in mind that swords clashing swords sounds "cool" and you have showed in Rome 2 spearmen vs spearmen. Obviously, spears hiting shields sounds less "cooler" and less Holywood style. Next you have shown hoplite shields hit by sling STONES. It has to sound real NOT LIKE IN HOLYWOOD.
Good god, a new video! Great as always. Sad thing you don't regularly make stuff. Anyway the ending with the music and you petting the cat was so amazingly appropriate for some reason. Probably because the soundtrack is great.
The music of RTW is forever imprinted within my head, same with shogun 2. But ROME 2 music is so boring an bland I cant remember a single score, unlike RTW were my head is swaying to the beat R2's music makes me wnt to blow my brains out! I'm not buying Attila, A) bc I hated R2 that much, B) My laptop cannot run it
You sir,truly deserve a fucking medal.It ain't a two hour showcase of mistakes in Rome 2,but I didn't ask for that,I was interested in your opinion.You didn't just give your opinion,but also backed it up with facts in such manner that was to the point and amusing in your own way. I played Rome 2 EE when it was free for a weekend on Steam.I thought to myself,"It isn't too bad.It lacks the soul of Medieval 2 and Rome,but is is a decent strategy game".And that it is,a decent strategy game. But nowhere near as the Total War standard.Anyway,this is my way of saying thank you,for your time,attention and love for a franschise that seems to be dying. I am looking forrward to your Atilla Total War video,should you choose to make one.If not,no harm done.I wouldn't blame you if you wouldn't do it. PS.Nice ending with the Forever Rome music and cat,it has a calming effect.
reynold sanity, the man who gut the shit out of rome 2 and empire then vanished without a trace. the hero we may not deserve but definitely need now
I'll pay anything to revive him
well he did a video on a war hammer dlc in 2015 if i remember...
I love how one of the most top rated Rome II mods just replaced the soundtrack with Rome I's.
Right?! Remember having memorable music in these games?
We need you back Dr. Sane! With _Rome Remastered_ getting a mixed reception, it would be interesting to hear your two cents on the matter.
With the amount of negative backlash for the Remaster, I decided to finally reinstall _Rome II_ 4 years after I last played it. Since the "Warscape gang" are making lofty assertions that _Rome II_ is simply the better game in 2021, I even installed the vaunted Divide et Impera mod as well. The DEI mod sort of mitigated the problem of cavalry charges by increasing the morale shock received by units if they're attacked at the flanks and/or rear. But not even DEI version 1.2.7 managed to completely fix the lack of mass, poor unit collision, the 1 v 1 killmoves, etc. Your critique on the battles still hold true as of this writing in vanilla _Rome II_ I'm afraid.
Medieval 2.
10 years later, still the best Total War.
Agreed.
Tried darthmod, total trash really. Siege battles were a mess, the AI would line up like it was some ordinary line battle through the fort and out of it, it made no sense at all.
If one of the "best" mods for empire is that bad, I don't even wanna guess how bad vanilla empire is.
I love the Warhammer mod so far, the official warhammer TW is a mess anyway, overpriced and content that should be ingame, 17,50€ for a single faction..
Yea exactly why CA kicked Darth out of his ambitions in modding and even working in CA. So he quit from modding in protest. CA didn't like having Darth fixing their messy games every time they released a new one and thus turned their backs on him
I didn't get into it that much until the Kingdoms expansion. Now THESE are expansions worth to pay for, not cut content DLC's. Added variety in units and factions that I felt was lacking in the base game, and the athmosphere was just absolutely amazing. I think the Teutonic one was my favourite, but that could be because I'm a Pole (the kind that steals cars).
1:40 "The eyes of the Senate and all Rome are upon us today! ... So stop clusterfucking the formations, guys! I mean it!"
+dylan abrahams Which is less games fault and more of players fault... Surprise, when you use glitch to place tons of troops on exact same coordinates and then activate physics, the physics separates the troops from each others, who then try to return to their designated spots, but since you put more than 1 guy on the same spot, they can't!
+Mandemon1990 You're wrong (but also a bit right in that no normal player would place units on top of other units, although I think this was to demonstrate the lack of unit collision), in Rome 1 if you did the exact same thing the unit collision would prevent the units from clipping into each other in first place; Rome 1 is without a doubt technically superior in this respect. In Rome 1 you could position a unit 'on top' of siege equipment, trees and other units, but because of unit collision the units wouldn't glitch into anything. They would be unable to clip into them and would opt to get as close to their designated spots as possible before stopping, accepting obstacles as being in their formation. This system of unit collision allowed players to maneuver units through siege equipment, position units in dense forests, and move units through each other without breaking the immersion from seeing them glitching out whenever they collide with things, unlike in Rome 2.
Sapiens Ordinis Except, as you can see, moment the physics enter the play units are pushed out of hteir positions, attempt to move into their correct positions, notice it's filled, stop... and get pushed away more and more as physics try to fix the situation, causing unit to notice they are WAY out of formation and attempt to fix it...
Rome 1 had same issues, especially early on. You can still cause the same glitch happen if you are persistent enough.
+Mandemon1990 What is apparent to me is that you largely missed the point of my comment; the point was that Rome 1 fixed this issue (units clipping into each other) by simply implementing unit collision, whereas Rome 2 didn't. Sure, Rome 1's unit collision is imperfect and, as you said, "You can still cause the same glitch happen if you are persistent enough", In Rome 1 I can take 20 units, 240 men each, and flood a single enemy unit and watch as the thousands of troops glitch into each other, but what you should notice is that the units are not gliding into then out of each other all the time, it only happens when you're "persistent enough".
(BTW, I have no clue what "especially early on" means; you gave no context.)
In my experience, your complaints of Rome 1 also having some of Rome2's issues are completely false.
In Rome 1, (using 20 units, 240 men each) I can't place two units directly on top of each other in pre-battle deployment, although I can overlap the units very tightly together (so they push each other out of formation). However, contrary to your claim, when I clicked 'start battle' the units stayed in exactly the same spots that I had 'deployed' them in; no pushing; no reshuffling; only acceptance of their disorganized formations. Why? Because the pre-battle deployment takes unit collision into account. Rome 2 doesn't do this because Rome 2 doesn't have unit collision.
See a recurring theme yet? Rome 2's issue of units clipping into each other stem from the fact that Rome 2 doesn't have unit collision, which makes you wrong with regards to your first comment: "Which is less games fault and more of players fault"; it IS the game's fault, or more accurately, the Warscape engine's fault. You are also partially wrong when you said "and more of players fault", yes, players would normally accept non-game-breaking glitches and just move on. Players can, and should, tolerate some moderate steps backwards in terms of sequels, however when a sequel takes a titanic leap backwards to the point of alienating the original material and your 'veteran' players, it should come as no surprise that fans makes the justified move to highlight the boneheaded and careless decisions made by the developers.
+HuntrBlackLuna LOL
Why the fuck can't they just redo the first Rome with an updated engine. That is literally all I want. Oh and a larger number of units for epic fuck ton battles. Then team up with other brands like LOTR or GoT and just do a Total War version of those stories.
Oh even HD remaster the first Rome with better graphics, more nations, units, bigger campaign map, more cities which would make everyone happy but then again we have mods for that they would say.
They did Dennis, that's why we have Warhammer.
@@jackwei22 that is not gonna happen,rome 1 engine is hardcoded to have a max of 20 factions and has limits to campaign map as well,this is the rare ocasion a remake would be ebtter than a re release
welp looks like its getting a remaster.
@@pira707 dammit you beat me to it. I've been poking people who made the 'just HDify Rome' line.
Haha joke is on you, I auto-resolve all my battles like the true casual I am.
Thats like buying a pizza and eating just the crust.
Just play Crusader if battles are not your thing.
Even if you're joking there are many who are serious.
Art Key
It was a joke, kind of. The game has serious auto resolve issues. You can spam shit troops and win the auto-resolve that you otherwise not win in a manual battle...
AlexanderHL
That is true. I can't recall that i've ever auto resolved aside from the tutorial or something.
But for some reason i can't get into R2. I just glance at a fight close up and it drives me away. Tried yesterday as well. Plus charriots just run through troops like they're not there. Moronic.
Back to Med 2.
I fucking love the kill animations in Warhammer 2 where it takes a giant 30 seconds to eat one goblin, meanwhile 30 archers are dumping arrows into it.
Loved the explanation of the unit collision lol
nailed it yet again. this time it is even worse - even more damning, even more poignant and profound; this time, valid criticism (all of your criticism) does not have the mitigator of possibly being made obsolete or irrelevant via patches and updates. "emperor edition" is the final iteration. the problems the game has today, have been there for a fucking year. everything true about the game now, will always be true. this video needs no update/sequel. you could make this video 10 years from now and it would be identical.
i also returned to the game on the anniversary - after nearly a year of not touching it at all, period. everything you said resonates with me. the point about cavalry most visibly and painfully highlighting the problems with warscape - 100% agree. the point about the apocalyptic theme that is being used to market attila *also having been used* to market rome 2 (lmao what?!?!) - damn fucking right, 100% agree and would perhaps milk even further. so ridiculous it could not possibly be pointed out enough. it dumbfounds how much of the playerbase (remaining playerbase) not only has not apparently noticed that, but also has not taken wind of the legacy of downright fraud and deception, and are still managing to feel "hyped" about this game. the people that still manage to _care_ about the future of total war are just fucking retarded or are kidding themselves, they are hearkening back to a nostalgic time when they played rome 1, or are afflicted with some kind of childhood attachment syndrome or some other mental disorder. still giving more than even half of a fuck about the future of the total war series is almost always comorbid with being gullible and stupid as hell (i have experienced this first hand), or some other weird shit that i cannot even fucking begin to understand.
i simply do not care one iota for attila at this point, the only difference between me and the average TW fan since rome 1 or earlier, is that i am still here in this discussion (mostly involuntarily) and they have probably moved on with their fucking lives.
for me, nothing CA does from here on (post FOTS) is "real". the CA that made rome 1 and medieval 2 and shogun 2.. is fucking obviously dead. the corporate shadow that has necessarily been hanging over total war since its inception, and has been steadily strangling the franchise, has completely replaced and destroyed the _soul_ and essence of total war. the total war name is now just a hijacked vestige for what has become a churned out, pimped (whored) out piece of corporatised, commercialised garbage. once the nostalgia and romanticising finishes hemorrhaging out of the playerbase (even the dumbest of the dumb manage to learn), maybe the series can finally just fuck off and die. let someone else that knows (or remembers) how to make a good game take over.
if attila is worthy of the total war name as determined by fans of the series that actually know a good total war game when they play one, it will almost certainly be a fluke. there isnt a single person around here that doesnt have something better to do than be duped by even more shitty trailers. if you want to jerk yourself off, use porn. every trailer that can be jerked off to is another £50,000 that doesnt go towards the actual fucking game.
until "attila is actually an amazing game!" is being screamed from every rooftop, nobody in their right mind should give a single fuck about it and is adding to the cancer by doing so.
P.S. nice cat. i am also a cat person and my cat is also black and white. he even has white paws like yours.. holy shit.
What should CA learn from this? Trash the fucking Warscape engine.
Damn bloody well right, I'm not going anywhere near Attila until "Attila is actually an amazing game" is being screamed from every rooftop. I mean good god what a disaster, the first time I ever pre order a game and that game is ROME 2! Never doing that again let me tell you...
It's very sad the dedicated developers of STW, MTW, RTW, M2TW are long gone and now we get SEGA marketing spin and lies, lots of Sonic Spinning hammers and swirling winds, Huge Cancer-growing cities, and ZERO game depth .. and constant spamming of paid DLCs trying to gain every $$$$$ out of us. Well , you can only lie once and get away with it, lets see how Attila sells ? They'll have to pull out M3TW to attract the punters back but how burnt are those punters ? We should all write to SEGA in Japan and complain about the antics of Rome2 release.
backreefoil Im sorry, but I really have to say that this is NOT SEGA's fault anymore. Originally I thought they had a big part to play, but then I re-watch the Rally Points, and witness the outright misleading and lies done by CA. The flaunting of a larger budget that SEGA obviously approved, and CA apparently dumped it into their marketing department.
This is, in my humble opinion, all on CA at this point. Now do I think SEGA cares if CA burns itself to the ground? Yes, and their budget is likely going to get slashed since they've proven themselves to be an unreliable pile of dung heap making their signature title. But hey, they can sure make a horror game!.......bastards.
Alex Fairclough Well the basic design concept was CAs, that means no depth from the beginning wa CAs doing
Your Rome 2 videos have been consistently epic.
Sargon! Good to see you enjoy strategy games! Your videos are also very sexy
If by epic you mean autistic.
***** Nice ;)
ah! - "autism"! - the state-of-the-art swearword against anything and anybody, that the mentally handicapped cannot fathom, but feel like lashing out against, as their _sapiophobic_ inferiority-complex starts tingling; esp. if the thing in question demands attention to detail, caring about something not everyone does care about, mustering your _brain_ -- all those sort of things! ... Never change, retards! - never change! - and don't ever learn, what "autism" actually means!
So glad that the internet is this great equalizer, where even the ineloquent, the mentally handicapped and brute, the uneducated and the marginalized are being given a voice... like you! Equal opportunity -- it's so democratic!
I happen to be autistic myself lol May be the reason why I even bothered commenting. And yes, I too enjoy watching people go completely mad on the internet. With or without autism lmao
Whenever I get asked about Total War: Attila I usually just say "same engine, same problems" although after finding out that they're still using the same composer which is one of the easiest things to replace and fix I have absolutely no hope for Total War: Attila to be anything other than a Rome 2 Patch 20 dlc.
Would you at least pirate TW:Attila?
Hey Napoleon's music was brilliant and that was the same composer as Empire which had awful music - it can happen.
***** Richard Beddow =/= Jeff van Dyck.
*****
Napoleon Total War OST was just alright with a couple of great pieces. Which is, while not Empire nor Rome 2 bland, it's not atmospheric enough like other titles are.
CroGamer002 Well I completely disagree, to me its just as atmospheric as the others.
Patiantly waiting for _Rome_ _2,_ _10_ _years_ _on_
The trilogy is complete. Your last Rome 2 videos were the best ever made. Very good, mate.
Should have showcased Medieval 2's calvary charges. Those look, sounded, and even felt like they had weight when those heavy armored knights slammed into the backs of the enemy units
I always felt satisfied charging head on into a spear unit with heavy knights and CRUSHING them. >:)
Dude, I know this video is super old but I hope you would make more. I agree with everything you say and your humor absolutely had me rolling.
Jeff van Dyck is our lord and savior.
The thought of Romans and Gauls slapping the shit out of each other at the Siege of Alessia..... that's never gonna leave my head now.
It's so amazing how a 10 year old game with an infinite lower budget is still better to this day. Long live Rome: Total War, rehire every God damn person that made that game! NOW!
They're all long gone. The current devs haven't even played the old ones.
Astounding job describing and demonstrating exactly why the game is still so inferior to its predecessors, despite all the patching and hype. Your epilogue is very neutral and honest, no hate found there. It's just the truth that Rome 2 is a hollow, well-made doll. My heartfelt thanks for your final take on the game, now I feel justified never managing to enjoy it. Farewell Total War: Rome II.
agree
"Voice acting done by the interns."
*Shows clip of Mark Strong's voice acting*
He meant all the other voices especially when you hear the nerdy british guy screaming in a melee unit.
I'm so glad you did a video on this, my friends swear that it's a great game and I know it's absolute shit. Yet they refuse to play CK2 because they can't "Watch" the battles, it's a joke.
CK is total garbage because of the learning curve. If i need to read a fucking book to play your game you failed.
I am in no way defending the tragedy that is ROME 2
Skidmark123abc
I think you're overcomplicating CK2, honestly you don't need a book to learn the game. But I can understand the frustration. HOI3 and EUIV are far more complex and made by the same company.
Agrippa Maxentius Lol, you do need a book to understand CK and other games like it (EUIV i'm looking at you). But the thing is, once you finish reading the book (or watching youtube videos like i did), it's a really good game no doubt.
BoEn Liu
Yep
If they say the game is"CINEMATIC" pull the fuck out Immediately.
The engine is called Total War 3, not warscape.
Is it? I have never heard of it referred to as that.
Yeah it is, the graphical engine is called Warscape which is built into TW3, it's a real common misconception.
Total War is the name of the engine, and it's on it's 3rd iteration. Every total war game has the silver badge that says Total War on the back (or front). This is the engine logo, much like Crysis games have "Cryengine" on the box somewhere.
Reynold Sanity Unless it's on it's way I would just like to ask if there will be a review for Attila as I want to get it as I love total war games but I would kill myself if it is like rome 2's release.
***** Do you think so? How come?
***** Do you have it? Is it good?
Can we get a feature length video of you covering your cat in socks?
Thanks
I FUCKING LOVE THIS GUY!!
He's like the adoseofbuckley of total war.
Hope you folks like that fancy Attila trailer because, as Rome 2 showed us, that's where most of the budget goes.
You know a game that has good cab collisions? Battle for Middle Earth 1&2.
yesssss
That scene with the Varangian Guard got my blood going a little with that description you gave of it : o. Made me think of someone's failed AAR.
AAR?
@@alexanderthegreat1356 after action report
You should have been added the fact that Rome II isn't a complete game, many of his content were removed to be launched as DLCs later
Yes, but still is a problem today, we got some free DLCs, but meh....
***** You mean bullshit DLC?The three types of DLCs that Reynold stated(his own way) were;expansion,fluff and bullshit.
This was discussed in the second video of the three part video at length
that is a bad design decision anyway
jeff van dyke, ahhh, a true artist, how many hours have i not spent bewitched by his many a masterpiece
I come back to this videos about once a year. They're well stated, well written, decently comicly, and consumer savvy. I wish we had more content like this on TH-cam. Thank you for a great series of videos.
My god, I love your reviews! You should do more, for other games. I was so excited to see this upload! Thank you, sir. You are a champion for those TW fans who were massively let down by Rome 2.
Europa Barbarorum I and II provide the best battles of any TW-based game I've yet played. The units have mass, the battles are slowed down so you can actually employ tactics and grand tactics, the AI is smart enough to do things like flank you and try to charge its cavalry into your rear, disengage its units so they can hit other, weaker parts of your line and even withdraw its army before it is entirely destroyed if it calculates the odds of victory are close to nil. There are only some minor bugs that result in glitchyness that still need to be ironed out, but really, all CA really needs to do is fix them and they'll have an excellent battle engine. Almost all the work has already been done for them. A Rome II with a modestly upgraded Europa Barbarorum battle engine would have made an outstanding game.
I believe Ancient Empires and DEI for Rome 2 are the closest to Europa Barbarorum 1 AND 2.
@@hopedream11 Warscape engine is still there though. Thats why EB 1 and 2 will always be better
I was just enjoying playing rome 2 again and then i had to watch this... now i just wanna install shogun 2 and play that
I don't understand how a majestic ranter can disappear like you did.
It ocured to me during the last 5 mins of the vid... Watching him cover his cat in dirty socks while listening to the credts theme from Rome 1 put me in more of a mood for roman imperial war than actually playing Rome 2... GG
The music of Rome 1 is truly epic.
Still among the best personal rundowns of the mess that was Rome 2. I revisit your reviews often. This game did so much damage on my morale for the TW series that I really haven't played one regularly since. Such a shame.
I just play'd Medieval 2, and dear god, I almost cried when a single Knight charged into the middle of a unit of Archers and started hacking away. That one dude killed 10+ people in mere seconds.
24:04 This just makes me so sad. I remember the excitement I had watching the Siege of Carthage preview.
You wanna know what the whole Rome series in TW feels like to me? I imagine Rome 1 as a Happy Meal at McDonalds. You get a burger, some fries and a drink. It’s great! You get everything you need in a meal, plus sides to polish off the main burger. But it’s true, the original meal gets a bit old, and maybe eating the same meal gets old after a while.
So CA releases a new version of the Happy Meal. Except the meal is missing the Big Mac. But look! The drink is twice the size! … so after massive protests from their fan base, CA finally decides to release a third, “fixed” version. They’ve kinda learned their lesson, and put the burger back. Except it’s a cheeseburger, not a Big Mac. Also, the cheeseburger is missing the cheese.
Goddamnit.
But look! They've tripled the size of the drink! And added a smoothie!
You really don't get it, do you CA?
earned a sub. i just got back to rome 1 i love it to much and i will play it for years on till a acctual game like rome 1 gets made by TCA i love using mods from the community on rome 1 right now im again using amazon and i love it. switching with folders to europa baraborm etc etc. rome 1 was unique knowing the money whores. this is the best we will ever get. no matter how old this game is i love it.
The soundtrack at The end is the most epic thing i like on rome total war 1 it's legendary 🙏🙂
DO ROME 2 2YEARS ON PLZ
this!
I don't see how it would be much better, maybe there's a few things tho
The killmove issue could have been so easily fixed by just adding animation cancelling. Sure it adds jank too, but it removes the gameplay issue of 99 dudes waiting patiently for the peasant to finish fighting one of their friends. If you got extra money left over from the coke fund, bridge that jank with some connective animations to let models flow freely out of killmove state.
34 dislikes ? that means 34 people clearly prefer mediocrity over quality games , if u enjoy the game or not u cannot say it is better then rome 1 , med 2 or shogun 2 , it falls way behind them sorry , stop lying to yourselfs
if people dislike videos, they push the dislike button. imputing something totally fallacious to them is an even more ignorant reaction than them pushing the dislike button after/while watching the video you seem to like so much. think about this.
Thomas S if u have been using youtube for a long time you know how it works , people will downvote or upvote vids without even watching them to suit their agenda , I watch all vids throughout , people will be biased and us total war players who have been playing these games for a long time know how good this franchise used to be , it isn't the same as it used to be and people blindly stick up for these decisions sega and ca have made to total war which have gone downhill , you cant even have a negative opinion without people getting it locked on the forums .
this guy hits the nail on the head and still has people calling him an idiot when hes right , the people who have downvoted this video know exactly what im talking about , maybe there are one or two that are good people but stil didn't like it but I can have a good guess who most of the downvoters are ( check the forums for similar names ) now you know where im coming from thomas
shameful display
rofl xDD
are u gonna review attila too?cause i want to find out if it is worth buying it...
alexandros ANASTASIADIS Sorry, it just too bland looking to muster the energy, I haven't bought it. Sun Jetzu did a good review of Atilla, try that.
i saw it....but it wasnt that deep to be honest...
Btw,which total war game did u like the most?
Ok man,thanks!I was waiting for a moment like this for 4 months :P
You see it is never too late :P
Peppered Peep Aint this game a little too violent for a 4 year old like you to watch?
Reaper 420 nah, cuz i went onto disney.com without my parents permission. thoglyfe
The Roma Surrectum 2 mod is how Rome 2 should have been.
He is the father of volund when it comes to trashing rome 2
Warscape engine was made for napoleonic empire and and it is unable to do anything more then that, even shogun2 suffers from death metal mosh pits
If only we could just update the graphics of Rome 1 to a Rome 2 level and change nothing else.
There is nothing more awesome than to do a full speed cavalry charge in Rome 1 or Medieval 2 just trampling a formation. I miss that...
I've been waiting for a follow up, great stuff mate! All you talk about is very much the reason I can barely play the game.
I quite liked Attila, until one day I just grew tired of battle after battle after battle. It's just a series of battles, without the city management like in Rome and Medieval 2. I started with Rome 2, when playing Medieval 2 I noticed how I consciously specialised each of my settlements and how I really treasured my units since they wouldn't just magically regenerate. Now I've only got Rome and Medieval II installed.
I just really love listening to the way he puts thing.
Rome 1's music was so inspiring it brought ancient history to life it excited more than just gamers. Many historians were inspired too and one example is the decisive battles series. Its not just the creator of the series that might have been inspired if you think about it, if all the historians that participated in its making weren't also interested, then they wouldn't have taken part
I am a fan since Rome 1 and I am completely in your opinion!
I am so glad you posted this! Always good to see a new video from you I really enjoy your analysis
Shogun 2 to Rome 2 is what happens when all passion for the game is gone and it's just about money.
This video is still relevant. Rome 2 is an enjoyable game, but it's a fucking tragedy that it falls short in so many areas that Rome 1 excelled in. Sequels are supposed to be better damn it.
Such a great recap
4:45 all we need to know the difference between Rome I and II: your heart misses a beat when the Rome I cataphracts hit.
I don't know why but Shogun 2 did the battle combat so amazing...but they were using the same shitty engine.
I guess they managed to hide the terrible unit colision (there isn't any anyways).I remember how epic watching my spearmen sticking their spears up the enemies bum hole :D
Until this day i look åt your videos. I was 15-16 years old and bought the game. Because I did not know how bad game state was, and soon I would feel the wrath of that state. I was scammed. I did never that misstake agian, now I look at reviews on TH-cam and steam.
When this game was being made I was constantly checking TH-cam for updated videos on the subject, I was really looking forward to the game they made it look fantastic. The game itself like you said is just a shocking mess and I have lost confidence in the whole Total War series full stop.
all Rome II fan boys who insist the game is "fixed" should watch this video
***** i bet you bought it like a bitch too
Girls, Both games are good but I'll just stick with M2TW as Rome 2 can't run on my fu!king boss pc, still a big problem
*****
"Or, maybe, you know, they're actually playing the game and can confirm or dismiss anything said in the video?"
What a phenomenally stupid thing to say.
You never mention Napoleon Total War. I was just wondering about you're opinion on that game. Personally, its one of my favorite Total War games, the way I see it, NTW was a vast improvement over Empire. And the Napoleonic era is my favorite era in Modern history.
The reason he doesn't mention it is because he doesn't have the same complaints about it. Napoleon was a complete game but his reviews tend towards the incomplete crap instead
You're actually right: Napoleon is Empire done competently. It lacks some of the world map epicness, but the atmosphere of Napoleonic era makes it really immersive. Also, much better and dynamic combat compared to Empire.
The reason he does not mention them is because napoleon is basically an expansion, much like barbarian invasion to rome or fots for shogun 2 etc.. he is using the originals for his comparisons.
Master debater It was a stand-alone game. In terms of gameplay, its a lot like Empire Total War. But its far better than Empire...
***** yes, thats what all the standalone expansions are for every game, they just improve on it. So is attila total war a standalone game to you then ??
Our messiah has returned! Gotta say, i was starting to lose hope for your position on Attila, but glad ya came through.
Further, love how you summarised each of the total war titles on what they were about (that being said, im re-downloading m2tw now; my most played of the series)
A Rome: Total War - Remastered would have been better
ROME 1 WAS THE MOST EPIC GAME THAT HAVE EVER PLAYED...I M STIL CHASING CREATIVE ASSEMBLY FOR DELIVERING SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT GAME....after seeing your video all that nostalgic feeling came back
Creative assembly one last chance: medieval total war 3. redeem yourself!
This video pretty much points out all the severe limitations/flaws of the warscape engine spot on.
The combat setting of classical antiquity is more complex and mainly about formation fighting. The only formation implented in the game is the pikemen phalanx. There are no hoplite phalanx or legionairy formations (mutatio etc). There is unit collision (and there always was, it was a moddable value), but it's floaty and the biggest flaw is that doesn't take into account the density of a unit FORMATION. There's a tendency for formations to morph into balls basically and there's no sense of "personal combat spacing".
An expansion can't redesign the game mechanics or implement a new engine. There's no way to ever make the warscape engine simulate battles well enough. CA needs to ditch or rework heavily the warscape engine. Shogun 2 worked because it was a combat setting which matches 1 on 1 spaced fighting. This can't be done in RTW2, since that doesnt fit classical antiquity.
Nice. I really wanted to see more of your reviews as they have excellent quality. Make sure you get around to making a review of attila when it comes out. Especially because im not going to pre-order a potential fuck-up again....
I agree with most of your points, however the "Stabbing him in the armpit" thing does actually make sense. That would be an unarmored part of the body because it needed to be unarmored to give more mobility to one's arms. But yeah it does look almost like flynning.
God, I love you for putting all my hate into reasonable words!
The scene in teutuburg forest reminded me of my experience getting max rank in that. It's really really easy. Step 1: leave behind 1 spearman every time a group attacks you. Step 2: have everyone else run away while the entire german force takes 5 minutes to kill 1 unit of spearmen because death animations.
MTW2 the best.. i need MTW3
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Only if they avoid this game's fate. Hear Warhammer will get a new engine. If that's true, M3TW might just be a decent
game. Not holding out hope though.
Me: "what does it feel like to be the king of analogies"
Reynold sanity: "it's like....I dunno?"
REVIEW MORE SHIT GAMES AND I SHALL BEHOLD YOU AS THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS. 10/10 would watch again
In empire, the general unit is usually poor against light infantry or regular line even though they are meant for melee combat, that's due to this fucking engine.
How about we call the first engine "Originalium" sounds latin-ish representing that it came from Rome 1 and it has Original in it, since it is the first engine
Maybe Secondarium, because there was still one engine before Rome (Though Rome's engine was far superior)
Oh yea, I forgot about the engine before Rome's
Jerome Holt
haha yeah, the age of 2D sprite soldiers.
Or everyone could use the actual name of the engine, TW Engine 2, instead of making up fantasy names?
I love you Reynold Sanity. This review is the best review of Rome out there that all players of Total War games should watch. Please keep making videos like this Reynold. Your channel will grow because of the honesty and heart you put into your videos!
Yay! You got better recording software.
Yay someone noticed!
Reynold Sanity lol i was thinking that you got better computer.
Funny thing.. the cataphract charges at 4:45 are actually best case scenario.. So many times, the charges just stops at the first man the unit is touching. So a successful charge or not just depends on luck. And because of the whole mechanic shit, shock cavalry in Rome 2 are almost of no use. In Cav vs Cav charge they're great. But for charging into the backs of the enemy infantry, the gallic light horses are just as good as companion cavalry, or should I say, just as bad.
I had one online game, were tactically I was crushed. My opponent got one unit of fucking Socci Equites Extraordinarii behind my lines. He slammed them into the back of my infantry line. In Rome 1, and Medieval 2 it would have cause a mass route. But because of the warscape. The charge had no weight to it. So I still won confidently. Now, you could say it was a coincidence, but that game was 2v2, and it happened twice.
Ps:
Watching this video, I am inspired to play Rome 1 again :D
lack of shields and abundance of long yari's made shogun's combat much more visualy brutal
Thanks for the video!
It's finally time to wrap things up, eh? Well then, thanks for all the Rome 2 videos you've made.
Could you do a review of only shogun 2?
OMG Almost cried at the end when "Forever" sounded So Nostalgic
Many of the points in this video are...well, subjective, IMO.
I see where you're coming from with the mo-cap kill animations, the way the units collide in a clunky manner, etc., but I've found some of those things to be the high points, not the lows.
The kill animations are fucking wicked (decapitations, shoving swords in stomachs and watching the blood and agony of the enemy, dismemberment! Fuck yeah!) when I look at them, and I've done plenty of acting myself. You say they hit each others' shields and swords like they're five year olds, seemingly attacking them instead of going for one's weak-points or actual body, but sword and board combat was very much like that. They'd smack their shields together, they'd clash swords, they'd get seemingly nowhere until an opportunity presented itself, then they went for the kill with even more tenacity. Fighting like that was long, arduous, and almost pointless to some. It was about tiring out your enemy, and the more you could hit their shield or take their hits meant you could last much longer, and thus present less opportunities to be killed or wounded, but open them up to more. Also, once you killed enough of their men (which was honestly a small percentage), they would route in a panic, and most of the quick slaughter would occur there. Much of the combat was not singular units pitted against one another. The Barbarians fought like that, but the Greeks, Romans, Punic Cultures- they fought in formations as units, and thus functioned like machines moving as one mass rather than a rabble of men waiting to go toe-to-toe with other soldiers. The Greek Phalanx, the Roman Maniple and Cohort systems, the Samnite Camillian(The spelling could be wrong) are great examples of this. So, with that in mind, I find much of it rather realistic (except when they stab their sword straight through the Lorica Segmentata of my legionaries, I mean, c'mon!). Granted, the killing should be less dramatic, as they'd go for quick stabs to the stomach under the armor in most cases, but I overlook that detail for the sake of gameplay. The overhaul mod I use (Divide Et Impera) improves these aspects and makes the combat slower, but the groundwork was laid by the developers.
With my love for the combat in that respect, I overlook the clipping of units and the clunkiness of the cavalry, as every game has its quirks, and you have to invoke your imagination to fill the blanks. I also find the charges to be rather satisfying, though the units all stopping at once is rather stiff.
The patches, combined with the mods, my personal love for the combat, and the vast variety of factions and cultures, makes me love this game. I'm getting closer to 500 hours on the game (for me, it's a lot). I've loved most of the Total War releases, or in the very least understood why they were good but didn't get too invested with the theme. Overall, I got my return on investment, as I was one of those idiots who pre-ordered it.
Am I comfortable with the vast amount of DLC coming out for the game? Yes when it comes to campaigns, as they're not really important in the grand scheme of the core game, but no when it comes to the factions, as they should be included in the base.
I've been able to overlook many of the faults of this game, or simply get over them (saying "Get over it" is not effective in place of an argument, and I roll my eyes at Rome II defenders whenever they say it). It took a while for the game to get good, but it did IMO, and I'm loving every moment of the game (Well, not really. I get annoyed plenty with the game at times, but no more than I do with other titles).
I see as to why you're still embittered by the game, and I see your points; they're valid and well articulated, so I really liked the video. What really told me that your video was effective was when it encouraged me to write this dissenting, lengthy comment, because you did a proper job in presenting your points; it opened the door for discussion, rather than a door for ranting on misrepresentation...but you did cherry pick some of those clips when comparing the combat, honestly. The Battle of Teutoberg forest was heart-pounding for me, even if everyone wasn't getting annihilated in seconds. But I digress.
Good on ya for making this, as Rome II shouldn't get too much slack for the shit it pulled, but I personally feel that the game is worth it when the game isn't $60.00 for most people. I think I've gotten my full price though with 500 hours of playtime.
Huh, "The More You Know". Never would've thought the Gauls fought in that style. So, was it the Germans that fought more individualistically then? I swear that it was some group of barbarians, maybe not as broad as I implied, but I know some in particular did so.
Also, the Romans were indeed in looser formations, but they were still fighting as a single unit; they may have personal defense, but the man to their sides could always aid in a fight and return to the foe they were focused on. They trained as a unit, they fought as a unit.
Tiny Tim All armies train as units. Its inefficient to do otherwise.
That would be the presumption, yes, but plenty of barbarian tribes and most of the armies in the middle ages weren't nearly as organized. Often units would look a rabble of varied armor and weapons, they wouldn't have the discipline to hold and utilize the formations and tactics the Romans had. While it's true soldiers will personalize their loadouts no matter how organized a military is, there wasn't the same uniformity for most armies save those of post-Marian Rome, Alexander's Pike phalanxes, etc. The strength of the formation was not necessarily the individual skill of the soldiers (that certainly helped), but the ability to hold the formation and to rely on one another won the day more than someone's fine skills with swordsmanship. Less organized forces have less cohesiveness, and thus rely more on the individual strength of its soldiers. They didn't go into battle alone, but they didn't all operate as efficiently.
So, perhaps the question isn't if an army did or did not train as units. There were times that groups would be assembled that were simply a loose collection of soldiers that couldn't do much beyond simple orders, but they still fought as a unit. The question, I think, would be the integrity of the unit's cohesion and coordination. In terms of discipline, did anyone have much on the Romans in that respect? I can only think of the Greek city states and the Carthaginians.
The most profound, entertaining, and factual with proven examples review/ revisit of Rome 2 on the internet. After watching part 1 of your last video I made popcorn so I could prepare myself for the feel/anger journey ahead. You sir are a boss.
For a change how about you do a revisit to Medieval Total War 2? And talk about the good stuff in the same way you did about Rome 2's bad stuff. That'd be something id get the tim tams out for.
What if Rome 2 was just a beta test and Attila is the actual, full game?!
A paid beta at that.
You literally do the most homest and in depth total war reviews. I am very happy that you brought this to light... All of these points you make make me say yep uh huh yep. Just sad.... First tw i didnt buy at release was attila... And i loved barbarian invasion
You compared Shogun 2 sound effects with Rome 2. Keep in mind that swords clashing swords sounds "cool" and you have showed in Rome 2 spearmen vs spearmen. Obviously, spears hiting shields sounds less "cooler" and less Holywood style. Next you have shown hoplite shields hit by sling STONES. It has to sound real NOT LIKE IN HOLYWOOD.
Good god, a new video! Great as always. Sad thing you don't regularly make stuff.
Anyway the ending with the music and you petting the cat was so amazingly appropriate for some reason. Probably because the soundtrack is great.
The music of RTW is forever imprinted within my head, same with shogun 2. But ROME 2 music is so boring an bland I cant remember a single score, unlike RTW were my head is swaying to the beat R2's music makes me wnt to blow my brains out! I'm not buying Attila, A) bc I hated R2 that much, B) My laptop cannot run it
You sir,truly deserve a fucking medal.It ain't a two hour showcase of mistakes in Rome 2,but I didn't ask for that,I was interested in your opinion.You didn't just give your opinion,but also backed it up with facts in such manner that was to the point and amusing in your own way.
I played Rome 2 EE when it was free for a weekend on Steam.I thought to myself,"It isn't too bad.It lacks the soul of Medieval 2 and Rome,but is is a decent strategy game".And that it is,a decent strategy game.
But nowhere near as the Total War standard.Anyway,this is my way of saying thank you,for your time,attention and love for a franschise that seems to be dying.
I am looking forrward to your Atilla Total War video,should you choose to make one.If not,no harm done.I wouldn't blame you if you wouldn't do it.
PS.Nice ending with the Forever Rome music and cat,it has a calming effect.