CSB Safety Video: Emergency in Apex

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  • Emergency in Apex
    Hazardous Waste Fire and Community Evacuation
    Late in the evening of October 5, 2006, a fire broke out, followed by dozens of explosions, at a hazardous waste transfer facility in Apex, North Carolina, a suburb of Raleigh. This CSB video features a computer animation depicting the origin and spread of the fire, and includes descriptions of the evacuation and firefighting effort by Apex officials, including Mayor Keith Weatherly, Fire Chief Mark Haraway, and Police Chief Jack Lewis. Residents describe their reaction and concerns over the accident and aftermath.
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  • @geraldrob5150
    @geraldrob5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    I find it amazing that, as a restaurant manager, I had more responsibility to report and had a greater frequency of inspections (by multiple government agencies) than a hazardous materials handling facility.

    • @RiversJ
      @RiversJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The people who own the agencies with the authority and responsibility for regulation do not live near hazardous materials facilities ever. They do however like to eat at restaurants quite often.

    • @Brian_yeah_that_brian_Strang
      @Brian_yeah_that_brian_Strang 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      True story

    • @BertGraef
      @BertGraef ปีที่แล้ว

      maybe because you restaurant people have sickened a lot of others with your unsafe practices. Take log out of own eye first.

    • @Darkhunter190able
      @Darkhunter190able ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You have less money

    • @TheTruthPTT
      @TheTruthPTT ปีที่แล้ว +4

      As an Industrial mechanic, I absolutely hear you on that brother. If OSHA was a fraction as component as CSB we would all be at least 90% safer!!! (Rough estimate lol).

  • @3sierra15
    @3sierra15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    CEO: What's our hazardous waste safety plan?
    Safety manager: Choose a state that has no hazardous waste rules.
    CEO: What's our plan for fire control equipment?
    Safety manager: Find a state that doesn't require any.
    CEO: What's our hazmat reporting plan?
    Safety manager: Build in a state that doesn't ask for reports.
    CEO: What's our plan for notifying 911 after hours?
    Safety manager: Let the local citizens do it.

    • @eastcoastitalian8758
      @eastcoastitalian8758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Ouch, this about sums it up lmfao

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

    • @LordSandwichII
      @LordSandwichII 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      CEO: What's our plan if the state introduces all those rules?
      Safety manager: Pff! They won't!
      (they did)

    • @GC-qe8vc
      @GC-qe8vc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      CEO: What's our plan if the state introduces all those rules?
      Safety manager: Lobby intensively to get Republicans who consider all those rules as "government red tape" elected.
      (they also did)

    • @KaaneDragonShinobi
      @KaaneDragonShinobi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Reverse the script. The CEOs are the ones concerned about profit. At least most of the safety officers/managers i've listened to on the internet seem very concerned with their jobs and keeping people safe.

  • @steve1978ger
    @steve1978ger 6 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    "The Environmental Quality Company"... you couldn't make this up as a joke.

    • @AexisRai
      @AexisRai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      nominative determinism at work

    • @TheTrainChasingPoet1999
      @TheTrainChasingPoet1999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Environmental Quality", my ass!

    • @TheNefastor
      @TheNefastor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The CSB has a similar video about a company called "Clean Energy". Guess how "clean" it actually is ?

    • @TheTrainChasingPoet1999
      @TheTrainChasingPoet1999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TheNefastor I've seen that video. Deadly Practices, it's called.

    • @TheNefastor
      @TheNefastor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheTrainChasingPoet1999 indeed.

  • @tacosattack282
    @tacosattack282 6 ปีที่แล้ว +314

    We have a fire containment room just for our cardboard recycling, these guys specialised in hazardous waste and didn't even put a wall between the oxidisers and flammables? Wow

    • @amberblyledge7859
      @amberblyledge7859 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Scientists are sometimes narrow minded. I say that knowing many very well. Just look at some of the names of animals or plants.

    • @silentype3008
      @silentype3008 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      No only did they not put a wall, they stack them all together. The way the warehouse is represented in this video it looks like a disorganized hodgepodge of chemical waste.

    • @tomwebb3081
      @tomwebb3081 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Our oxygen store had to be outside, locked and stored with *nothing* else, especially anything flammable.

    • @samschannel531
      @samschannel531 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      No wall between flammable sand oxidizers? That’s just pure stupidity.

    • @kaylawuvscookies
      @kaylawuvscookies 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@amberblyledge7859 Scientists? More like the capitalist fat cats running the EPA, OSHA, etc skimming the budgets to line their pockets.

  • @RONWOLPA
    @RONWOLPA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    On may 11 1996 , ValuJet Flight 592 crashed due to a fire on cargo compartment. In violation of FAA regulations ,which forbids the transport of hazardous materials in passenger aircraft , there were 5 boxes with expired chemical oxygen generators , like those that started the fire at Apex.

    • @Islacrusez
      @Islacrusez 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Ron Wolpa worse, they were incorrectly detailed on the manifest. Worse still, the cargo bay fire control mechanism was that of passive oxygen deprivation - rendered completely useless by carrying oxygen generators.

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Islacrusez
      Bro.....wow....
      You just can't make this stuff up.
      Install oxygen deprivation devices stop a fire, then fill the entire area full of oxygen giving equipment. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that.

    • @Syclone0044
      @Syclone0044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Perhaps you didn’t notice the video specifically mentions the ValuJet 592 incident - they said the NTSB test-cell footage of burning the aircraft oxygen canisters was from the NTSB ValuJet investigation.
      Btw I recently sold some spare new DJI Mavic drone batteries (lithium ion) and WOW was that a PITA! I had to do hours of research to figure out a solution which essentially boiled down to: use only USPS Parcel Post (strictly ground) because USPS Priority Mail and others usually involve aircraft - PASSENGER aircraft on which USPS Mail hitches a ride.
      Thus, loose/spare lithium ion batteries cannot be shipped that way, unless you use more costly UPS or FedEx, who have their own cargo aircraft, so the passenger issue isn’t applicable.
      However I recently watched an air crash documentary of a UPS cargo plane that crashed due to large shipments of lithium ion batteries that ignited and burned so intensely the onboard fire suppression failed to quell it, and the fire raged so quickly that the two pilots were overcome with smoke and incapacitated - the copilot fell unconscious literally as he ran to get his breathing mask equipment.
      I had to affix 2 or 3 fancy big warning labels 📦 too so it would be obvious to anyone handling it that it must not go aboard a passenger aircraft.
      If the batteries are defective or failing, then NOBODY wants to handle them. I’m curious what companies have consumers do when there is some kind of large recall, like maybe the Samsung Galaxy Note fiasco....?

    • @geraldrob5150
      @geraldrob5150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Syclone0044 Due diligence on your part. Cargo like this should never be on ANY aircraft. Even if the hazards to passengers is not an issue there still remains hazards to the crew and more importantly people on the ground. An aircraft brought down by sudden catastrophe may be well beyond the pilots ability and intent to avoid collateral damage. I shudder to think of an occupied school, hospital or ballpark being caught unawares in such a catastrophe.

    • @Crazy-Cat-Lady-of-CA
      @Crazy-Cat-Lady-of-CA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@geraldrob5150 A plane was brought down by lithium batteries. UPS flight 6 had 18000 of them in their cargo area. After take off, the batteries caught on fire. Due to the first officer not giving up, the plane missed a heavily populated neighborhood and into a empty part of a military base. The two pilots were the only fatalities.

  • @Gunshinzero
    @Gunshinzero 6 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    6:36
    What do you have in there Mr Plant Manager?
    Bunch of dangerous stuff you wouldn't want in a fire.
    ....Uh, okay. thanks for the detailed information.....

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Let me put it this way, Mr. Firefighter. You name it...we have it! And, boy, do we HAVE it!!!

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NiceMuslimLady lmaoo!!!!!!!!!

    • @Aimismyname
      @Aimismyname 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i'll tell you what we don't have, miscellanous shit

    • @harleyspeedthrust4013
      @harleyspeedthrust4013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plant manager was useless

  • @timheersma4708
    @timheersma4708 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Sprinkler system is likely too simplistic for this facility. Foam suppression systems would be required for proper fire control depending on the material stored. Off site (computer accessible) daily lists of stored material available to first responders would give them some kind of idea what they are dealing with and a site map showing location of stored materials would also help.

    • @koriko88
      @koriko88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably, but since the EPA doesn't make requirements beyond "fire suppression equipment", a sprinkler system would have been better than nothing. Along with firewalls and a fire alarm, sprinklers may have kept things cool enough so that the fire may have been contained to just the oxiders without getting into the pesticides. If they had arrived and noticed sprinklers keeping the fire from spreading, the fire department may even have been able to go in with foam and put the fire down.

    • @hauntedshadowslegacy2826
      @hauntedshadowslegacy2826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My concern with foam suppression is that foam is meant to isolate the fire from oxygen. When the source of the fire is also producing oxygen, that wouldn't help.

    • @Theinatoriinator
      @Theinatoriinator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 It would definitely help in the areas without oxidizers such as the flammable bay or the pesticides bay.

  • @charvakkarpe
    @charvakkarpe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's nice the fire chief and police chief promptly evacuated the entire community instead of waiting around or not doing anything because they lacked info. Probably saved a lot of lives. These are some top notch emergency responders.

  • @DanafoxyVixen
    @DanafoxyVixen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Portable fire extinguishers do not count as "Fire Control Equipment" if a human isn't there to operate them.... as it becomes 'equipment unable to control fires'

  • @flailios
    @flailios 6 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    You've got to question the intelligence of anyone who puts chlorine on top of oxygen generators. Maybe they needed that 'misc' category after all!

    • @gardgardner4912
      @gardgardner4912 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've seen worse....

    • @MrKeserian
      @MrKeserian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hold up. I'm only on minute three here. Did they really stack chlorine on top of chemical oxygen generators?! Ya know, the type that generate incredible amounts of heat?!
      Edit: Oh great. Yep. Aviation chemical oxygen generators. We'd already known how dangerous those things can be from at least one aircraft crash.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MrKeserian Don't worry. Nothing could POSSIBLY go wrong with that!!!

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NiceMuslimLady lol

    • @fetchstixRHD
      @fetchstixRHD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      [FCClan]The Stranger: Of course, definitely nothing **cough** 8:35 **cough** wrong with that at all!

  • @SurlyHannah
    @SurlyHannah 6 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Moved away from NC a couple years ago, been a while since I've heard someone pronounce ambulance "ammalans"

    • @CodeAsm
      @CodeAsm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      here we say: AmBOElAnse (strong A and OE sounds for your english). now you speac dutch :P

    • @av8r500
      @av8r500 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Hannah Joy or amberlance.....

    • @oron61
      @oron61 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Where I come from it's an amm-y'lince.

    • @Vanilla0729
      @Vanilla0729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wham-ba-lance!

    • @sootikins
      @sootikins 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Amber lamps

  • @erikvoorhies5397
    @erikvoorhies5397 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    It's so nice to see more government bodies than just the post office being decent and reasonable for a change!

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Keep in mind we’re on the public information end here. I imagine it’s a lot less pleasant to be on the pointy end of an investigation.

    • @CheshireCad
      @CheshireCad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well, this comment didn't age well.
      It makes me wonder how many other government agencies were decent and reasonable, before being deliberately strangled into obsolescence by conservatives.

    • @LeafseasonMagbag
      @LeafseasonMagbag ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CheshireCad this is also happening to the USCSB, which has been fighting for its own budget for many years

  • @BarneySaysHi
    @BarneySaysHi 16 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Kind of odd that a company like that didn't have any smoke detection and warning system. Given the fact that hazardous materials were stored that close to a community, I'd say that's a damn shame.

    • @yakacm
      @yakacm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      To quote Grand Master Flash, It's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What good would they have done? There wouldn't have been anyone there to hear them!!!

    • @TheMattc999
      @TheMattc999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      diecast jam you gotta have a con in this land of milk and honey.....

  • @whynotjustmyusername
    @whynotjustmyusername 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    That, my friends, is why emergency command centers, such as the 911 response center, should always be planned to resist natural and manmade disasters. They should basically be bunkers: air filtration, emergency power, storm resistant, hell even resistant to terroritst attacks!

    • @shadetreader
      @shadetreader ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed, the real terrorism is what corporations are doing to us.

    • @TheJudeJane
      @TheJudeJane 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can’t hide from industrial waste. They are PFAS. Forever chemicals and TH-cam has videos about the dangers.

  • @cpt_nordbart
    @cpt_nordbart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I like these cliche shots of people being busy... Like walking with urgency through corridors. And families playing together.
    These are absolutely pointless and it's brilliant.

  • @gardgardner4912
    @gardgardner4912 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Was there no smoke detector at ceiling to the waste-chemical store that caught fire? Why did it take a casual motorist to inform the Apex emergency desk of a pseudo-poisonous haze, when an ordinary fire-alarm would have sufficed towards initiating a genuine fire-alert?

    • @tomwebb3081
      @tomwebb3081 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Because the law doesn't require one, so the company didn't bother to spend the money to install one.

    • @dieseldave71
      @dieseldave71 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Why spend unnecessary money on fire detection equipment when you can rely upon casual passers by to call 911?

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There wouldn't have been anyone there to hear them! It's not like the plant was actually ATTENDED 24 hours a day!

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NiceMuslimLady I agree. And even if there had been a remote signaling system to let people know what's going on, timing is everything.
      This is obviously the type of combination of events that can get really bad really quick.
      It would have been best for them to have built-in extinguishing systems and to have those chemicals stored in separate structures depending on what the chemical was. Common sense just be damned. Even I know that, and I know nothing about the hazardous waste disposal industry.

  • @Elite7555
    @Elite7555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You are kidding... They didn't even have fire- / smoke detectors?

  • @Dinos_and_Teacups
    @Dinos_and_Teacups 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Yeah I mean a quick one hour lecture in chemistry and you would know what chemicals you should or should not store together. It's not that difficult folks.

    • @jordanrodrigues8265
      @jordanrodrigues8265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      One problem - arguably the root problem but there were so many problems - is classifying COGs as "oxidizer" instead of a variety of "explosive." They have a lot more in common with solid rocket motors (both produce hot, pressurized gas when ignited) than with simple oxidizers like chlorine or sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate (which won't support a fire without added fuel - they're still dangerous but separating them from flammables helps a lot).
      I believe that's still how they're regulated. I'm sure the low-level employees had more than one hour of training, but probably not enough to recognize that the regulations weren't enough to prevent a disaster.

    • @mattlogue1300
      @mattlogue1300 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cl an o are similar enough, heck O is more electronegative

    • @alexphillips4325
      @alexphillips4325 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordanrodrigues8265 Yeah, these are essentially a model rocket engine made to burn really slow but the exhaust product is oxygen instead of obscenely hot metal powder

  • @myleswillis
    @myleswillis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Fire started in the middle of the night, with no personal on site. I wonder how much insurance they collected.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably not a penny, although the insurance company no doubt made hefty payments to the townsfolk. In a case like this, investigated by the CS-ever-lovin-B, negligent practices that disqualify claims are quickly discovered. It doesn’t matter if it was technically legal, the insurance company can bring in their expert witnesses if the company takes them to court.
      Now, in a case investigated locally, ymmv.

  • @Moose6340
    @Moose6340 12 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Oxygen generators. The same thing that brought down Valujet 592 in Florida.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes. Oxygen generators under chlorine. Well, nothing bad will EVER come out of THAT...will it?

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NiceMuslimLady I didn't know what can happen if anything at all when those two chemicals come in contact with each other. But as soon as they said the names of both sitting on top of each other, I said that doesn't sound good!

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NiceMuslimLady kind of figured that anything that begins with Chlor plus anything that begins with oxy might not be a good combination.

    • @Syclone0044
      @Syclone0044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Perhaps you didn’t notice the video specifically mentions the ValuJet 592 incident - they said the NTSB test-cell footage of burning the aircraft oxygen canisters was from the NTSB ValuJet investigation.

    • @Tindometari
      @Tindometari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Inspect any shipment of oxygen generators; if they're unspent, either reject the shipment or immediately or take them directly to an isolated concrete pit and expend them safely.
      Either way, then inform the shipper in writing that oxygen generators *must* be expended before shipping. If it comes to an accident and lawsuit, your lawyers will be very happy to produce such letters in court.

  • @Josh-fv9ml
    @Josh-fv9ml 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Plan B to evacuate should include your dogs and cats to leave safely with you! Always think not if but when a need might arise

  • @jeffreysokal7264
    @jeffreysokal7264 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These CSB videos are some of the best I've ever seen. Excellent job providing essential information.

  • @oldgysgt
    @oldgysgt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    These clowns stacked chlorine on top of oxygen generators, WTF? That's like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic. These fool didn't have a clue what they were doing. It must have been operated by Darrel and his other brother Darrel.

    • @homefront3162
      @homefront3162 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oldgysgt Dildos

    • @AexisRai
      @AexisRai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      "playing Russian Roulette with an automatic" is a good one

    • @Aikisbest
      @Aikisbest 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@AexisRai I always say "with a Glock", but practically the same, indeed a good one.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What could go wrong?

    • @TheMattc999
      @TheMattc999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      oldgysgt 🤣

  • @belmum1689
    @belmum1689 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Lucky no one died, I feel horrible for making a mistake at work, but Imagine if your mistake flattened your work place & near by homes.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A friend of mine who worked security at a chemical plant...you know...one of those places that has WEIRD CHEMICALS in it...told me that there is a law that says you can't leave the plant unattended!!! Now, I've been there...and there is nothing there that can blow up...but, still YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE PLANT UNATTENDED!!!!! That was years before THIS happened...So...HOW is this happening time after time after time at UNATTENDED chemical plants????? This wasn't the only time that an EQ facility blew up either!!!

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NiceMuslimLady So... this wasn't a chemical plant nor was the other EQ facility...

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tim3172 Define "chemical plant". In California, EQ could not leave their facility unattended. Maybe that's just a California law. But, there are other places where they routinely left chemical plants unattended. To be honest...I cannot fathom why there isn't a federal law saying this!!! I mean, seriously...are we REALLY going to go the "out of sight, out of mind" route here? There was another video that USCSB made about a chemical plant that blew up because of two mistakes. The first was forgetting to turn a steam heater off.

    • @Backyardmech1
      @Backyardmech1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      [FCClan]The Stranger I can see an active production plant not being left unattended, but what about a storage facility as this place seemed to be? Given I’ve worked at decommissioned facilities that still had 24 hour security. I’ve even seen warehouses that store hazardous waste for up to 90 days at a time just locked up and left at the end of the day.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Backyardmech1 If there are dangerous goods being stored there...HELL NO!!!!!! Leaving any facility with that much dangerous goods just laying around unattended is ASKING for trouble!!! What if someone comes along a steals some? What if you...I don't know...HAVE A FIRE???????

  • @t-yoonit
    @t-yoonit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm happy that the only hazardous waste handling facility is owned/operated by our fire chief. We all know of every hazard and there is a highly detailed pre plan for any of the various possible situations that could occur at the small facility.
    We also have a moderate ag chem facility in our area. We have highly detailed pre plans for events there as well and we also tour the facility at least once a year to familiarize and reevaluate as needed.

    • @TheJudeJane
      @TheJudeJane 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Look up PFAS. They are not bio-degradable. They are what is known as FOREVER CHEMICALS. We are not safe! None of us are. They are in our water, air, in our geo-engineered foods, natural foods, plastic containers like water bottles and plastic frozen veggie bags; pizza boxes, clothing, water-proof coats and shoes, baseball fields, gardens, playgrounds, rivers, streams, lakes, bedding, cookware, the Teflon, DuPont products, paint we freshen our walls with, the detergents, the toothpastes, etc. They warn about cancer-causing cigarettes, but NEVER your community Halloween harvest ride. What old plant that burned in the 1820’s? Yes, that ONE!☠️💀🫁🤮

  • @LazerWolf21
    @LazerWolf21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I lived in Apex at the time. I was five years old and all I remember is being to get in car because there was a chemical fire. We went my cousin’s house and I saw some of it on the news. The details of this are scary, those oxygen generators are no joke and that Valujet crash they mentioned was really scary, the generators created a fire which melted a fireproof compartment.

    • @amberkat8147
      @amberkat8147 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, not sure if there is such a thing as fireproof when too much oxygen is in the air.

    • @NyxHunter
      @NyxHunter ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@amberkat8147 Yeah in normal circumstances the compartment is fireproof because it's completely sealed The fire would burn up any oxygen in the room and die out.
      But when you add in something that can literally create oxygen and heat you've basically just made a plane melter

  • @obfuscated3090
    @obfuscated3090 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    It would be easy to design a simple,safe O2 generator discharge fixture and mandate time-changed unexpended generators be discharged individually at the aircraft maintenance facility before transport. They would then be inert and not require special handling.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      At one point in the video, they said it’s already a regulation that the cylinders be discharged prior to transport or storage. This implies that aircraft maintenance facility was derelict. I imagine there are court cases that arose from this “accident”, and it would be interesting to see if the aircraft maintenance facility was a codefendant.

  • @stavinaircaeruleum2275
    @stavinaircaeruleum2275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I don't know why. I enjoy watching these videos.

  • @thescottsman1996
    @thescottsman1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    working at walmart, we have special guidelines for pool chemical fires, evacuate evacuate evacuate. normal fire extinguishers only make them worse

    • @REXXSEVEN
      @REXXSEVEN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup.

    • @jaysmith1408
      @jaysmith1408 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don’t have chemical extinguishers in that department?

  • @RedfishCarolina
    @RedfishCarolina 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I moved near there literally a month later (Nov 2006), just on the other side of Raleigh. Yet never once did I hear of this.

  • @Aranimda
    @Aranimda 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I find it remarkable how the Environmental Quality Company failed so miserable to improve the quality of its environment.
    In hindsight, an other company name would be more appropriate.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Environmental Quality...NOT Company!

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NiceMuslimLady This is awkward but its full name is Environment Quality Company per the FCC filings.
      Step 1 of correcting someone: making sure they're wrong.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tim3172 FCC filing? What does the Federal Communications Commission have to do with it?

  • @jed-henrywitkowski6470
    @jed-henrywitkowski6470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Cheif Haraway has a great speaking voice,

  • @MrDavidr86
    @MrDavidr86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The fire must have been really intense to jump a 6” curb.. Imagine how bad it could have been if there was no curb.

  • @seanokeefe703
    @seanokeefe703 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reed Hycalog on Navigation Blvd in Houston had a deluge system in the small building they stored industrial chemicals in. It was said by the site supervisor the deluge fire system was a step above sprinklers and would probably put most fires out or mitigate damage.

  • @ellomynameisjohnny
    @ellomynameisjohnny 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    god, I love videos like this. because I'm like "Whoah I know that dude, we knock back a couple brews every tuesday"

  • @OAleathaO
    @OAleathaO 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    4:55 - "...chemical oxygen generators." Which, when activated, create an exothermic reaction. Which is what brought down ValueJet flight 592 in 1996. 1996!! And this happens 10 years later. Seriously? Why, after all this time is there still not a law requiring expired oxygen canisters be rendered inert before disposal?? Or at the very least require special disposal procedures.

    • @ExaltedDuck
      @ExaltedDuck 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      probably because they don't want to start a fire... I've dealt with a lot of aerospace companies. They use standardized quality management systems (typically at least AS9100 certified) which, when well-run, lead to good risk management planning and responsible, ethical, and accountable behavior and decision-making. But when poorly-run, they are all about just collecting whatever documentation is needed to pass audits, and to try to document things to defer accountability rather than demonstrate it. Well-run companies would minimize risk by passivating the generators. Poorly-run companies would minimize risk by offloading them to (typically lowest bidding) waste handler.

    • @LerRhann
      @LerRhann 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you would have paid attention to the video you would know that there was a law that oxygen generators must be discharged before shipping. For some reason it wasn't followed here.

    • @119beaker
      @119beaker 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Quinn Meche No it was just a CSB recommendation.

    • @OAleathaO
      @OAleathaO 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +Bunsen Honeydew --> Thank you for pointing that out. And previous to that in the final NTSB report regarding the ValueJet 592 accident in 1996 it was also just a recommendation. The CSB & the NTSB are great agencies but their problem is that they do not have the authority to mandate any recommendations they make. They are strictly investigatory & safety review agencies which simply submit their final reports to a higher government department.

    • @LerRhann
      @LerRhann 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bunsen Honeydew it clearly said that it was a law at the time.

  • @Tindometari
    @Tindometari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just to make sure I don't misunderstand: Was it very hazy? Did it smell like chlorine?
    But never mind firewalls. You put the oxidizers over *here*, and the fuels over *there*. Ideally, at opposite corners of the central storage lot, not in two bays within metres of each other.

  • @santospinedacastillo4725
    @santospinedacastillo4725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is why regulations are so necessary. You cannot and should not depend on profit focused businesses to expend some of that profit on non-profit increasing needs such as safety. The minute it becomes optional... they will opt to go cheap. People love to harass/talk shit about overly regulated states, but that's why you see a much reduced number of incidents like this in thos states.

    • @infonut
      @infonut 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amen to that, Santos. Our biggest threat in a capitalized society if greed fueled by arrogance.

    • @medea27
      @medea27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the scariest thing is that it's as much about arrogance & laziness these days as it is about being cheap. The cognitive dissonance of saying "I don't need to be told how to run my business" but then arguing that you don't have the most basic & common sense fire equipment like sprinklers & back-to-base alarms because "I wasn't told that I needed more than a fire extinguisher, it wasn't a legal/regulatory _requirement_ to have equipment to protect my business" ....... really??!
      The worst is the ridiculous argument for 'self-regulation' - humans are pathologically incapable of self-regulation, just look at the number of _legal_ substances we try to convince ourselves we're not addicted to, like coffee or sugar. Even the most law-abiding & risk-adverse people need to be pointed in the right direction sometimes, and _none_ of us is omnipotent - we all have areas where we don't know what we don't know.
      The best argument _for_ more regulation is the very people who _don't want_ regulation - they tend to be very good at demonstrating why they should never be left to their own devices.

  • @SuperAgentman007
    @SuperAgentman007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    4:43 any artillery ammo or old nuclear bombs

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. The old nuclear bomb is stored on top of the oxygen generators.

  • @pvtimberfaller
    @pvtimberfaller 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Saw a yard full of burning recycled cardboard & plastic bales today.

    • @coreyschmidt1647
      @coreyschmidt1647 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I see that once every month or so at the recycle facility across the street from where I work.

  • @Jimboblay74
    @Jimboblay74 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    An interesting case. That was a busy year!

  • @huascension117
    @huascension117 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos but can’t stop thinking of captain hindsight

  • @honestgashandmade5831
    @honestgashandmade5831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:35
    the evacuation ended after two days:
    Resident pulling up in a nice RV: We are glad to be home

    • @c31979839
      @c31979839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No kidding eh?
      Their RV is probabaly nicer than most people's entire house.

  • @nandinirm2234
    @nandinirm2234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the narration

  • @aequinoctiale
    @aequinoctiale 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As soon as oxygen generators were mentioned I knew that the valujet incident would be mentioned somewhere here!

  • @mattyi91
    @mattyi91 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I was young when this happened, I lived in that neighborhood. The poison gas killed our birds.

    • @NiceMuslimLady
      @NiceMuslimLady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My condolences. :(

    • @chesthoIe
      @chesthoIe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am very sorry to hear about your birds. That must have been rough for you when you were young. Did you receive an apology from the company, or any monetary relief?

  • @GODDAMNLETMEJOIN
    @GODDAMNLETMEJOIN ปีที่แล้ว

    We had a pool chlorine fire at my job a few years ago. Thanks to having adequate sprinklers our workplace is still standing!

  • @lokl844
    @lokl844 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's surprising to me is how did they not identify the threat of a self-oxidizing fire

  • @irelandgoddess2636
    @irelandgoddess2636 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank God no one was hurt or killed thank God for that

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      PRAISE GOD!!!
      Sure, quite literally every other video on this channel as several to hundreds of innocent deaths.
      But PRAISE GOD that he randomly? selected? this one to not have any, I guess?

  • @kindadenche
    @kindadenche 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Horrible!!! However the rule of the thumb is community right to know, proper waste management/storage strategies as well as proper documentation and management of records. Thorough fire risk assessment of storage facilities and the consideration of suitable and appropriate fire prevetion equipment in place. Even the design the construction of storage facility is of prime importance and shall be complied with as per NFPA applicable standards.

    • @pvtimberfaller
      @pvtimberfaller 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The same stuff is in your house & garage, You would throw a fit if you had to (and should) report everything you had stored.

  • @tyronesargent1757
    @tyronesargent1757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    with all you guys do, you would think companies would operate safer than what i have seen in yall videos. i guess these companies just want to skip all the paperwork and planning

  • @ostapbendervan7874
    @ostapbendervan7874 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this new style of continuous auto play video of channel

  • @Keaton0801
    @Keaton0801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Smelled of chlorine, and was a yellow haze, sounds like mustard gas to me.

    • @kelvinyonger8885
      @kelvinyonger8885 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chlorine is also somewhat yellow.

    • @MarcosElMalo2
      @MarcosElMalo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And that’s when Jerry came over the top, with fixed bayonets. Also Taylor and William. They were all bayonet repairmen.

    • @chesthoIe
      @chesthoIe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah man, it was probably a heavily regulated weapon of mass destruction that doesn't really have any other uses, as opposed to a chemical that EVERYONE who owns a pool uses. It's not like humans have noses and know what pools smell like as opposed to what sandwiches smell like.

  • @c31979839
    @c31979839 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:19 "...in the back of an amulance..."
    LOL! Amulance.

  • @phillipkalaveras1725
    @phillipkalaveras1725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was not stupidity, this was intentional and I can't stand to watch one more second of it.

  • @7curiogeo
    @7curiogeo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So guessing that in an sprawl, by developers homes were built around a possibul chemical hazard.
    Or the company built on the edge of residential area.
    Both were a disaster waiting to happen.

  • @JohnSmith-wt7rb
    @JohnSmith-wt7rb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We have homes that don't have stacks of dangerous flammables, and are mandated to have smoke and carbon monoxide detectors.
    EQ had a couple portable fire extinguishers.
    Somebody had to think, 'We need a sprinkler system here'. Nah....let 'em evacuate.

  • @allanwright5231
    @allanwright5231 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you supposed to have material safety data sheets for chemicals. And stored chemicals separately from chlorine . Also fire safety drills done by the company.

  • @mattlogue1300
    @mattlogue1300 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok. Fire started in ox area, but they didn't hazard a guess what started the fire.

  • @Galfrid
    @Galfrid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So... basically a mom and pop hazardous waste disposal site?
    Really basic and no fire suppression devices.

  • @calvinjenkins6900
    @calvinjenkins6900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first video narrated by Sheldon Smith!

  • @homefront3162
    @homefront3162 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That combover

  • @hadleymanmusic
    @hadleymanmusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No it leaves it in the authority having jurisdiction.

  • @coreyandnathanielchartier3749
    @coreyandnathanielchartier3749 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Simple fact is, these types of businesses shouldn't be located anywhere near inhabited areas. Period! A sad example of "pay the right officials, and do anything you want".

  • @RHS-992
    @RHS-992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish you do a clip for Tianjin port explosion 5 years ago. Would be awesome😎

    • @chesthoIe
      @chesthoIe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude, you know this is an actual United States government agency? They don't take requests, nor do they have any regulatory authority over China.

    • @KaaneDragonShinobi
      @KaaneDragonShinobi ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately I think these guys only deal with incidents that happen in American territory. It's an American government body.

  • @scair7331
    @scair7331 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    ya fire suppression in something that water could spread or make worse. foam a could make worse or foam b could make it worse or just spread it .

  • @cr-qo3ov
    @cr-qo3ov ปีที่แล้ว

    That's ridiculous to have a hazardous waste facility in your town and have no material data sheets on what is being stored there and this being stored in an open-air building with no security that is truly Reckless

  • @thomasnelson5010
    @thomasnelson5010 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can’t imagine what I would do to the Plant Manager, if he told me he couldn’t tell me exactly what was in there, while my friends and family were at risk.

  • @stnank
    @stnank 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where should we store the flammable toxic waste? Ahh, right here between the posion gas tanks and the machines that spit out pure oxygen. Perfect.

  • @escalatorman0902
    @escalatorman0902 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ilve there to it was scary and awesome

  • @TheTruthSeeker756
    @TheTruthSeeker756 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well chief i don’t know “exactly” what we have, but I DO know it’s a whole lot of dangerous shit

  • @ShannonSmith4u2
    @ShannonSmith4u2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Some of these speakers should stick with analyzing data, not giving the report. Some seemed angry at us for watching, sheesh.

  • @brianblessing8369
    @brianblessing8369 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    didn't know admiral/captain kirk is the narrator of this v ikdeo

  • @chris5942
    @chris5942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It just boggles my mind that companies need a regulation to do the right thing.

    • @1495978707
      @1495978707 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because a businesses purpose is to make money by filling a need. You don’t make more money by being safe except possibly in the long term. You have to understand that if it’s not like a one or two person business that it’s not like a person, it’s an entity of its own

  • @mineown1861
    @mineown1861 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If the company relies on local emergency services to respond to an incident at their facility , surely it should be encumbent upon them to provide details of the hazards to which the fire services will face at the site . For example, there's no use turning up with only water , if foam is required to deal with a fire.
    Moreover local officials should be appraised , in order to make decisions about evacuations for instance, in a timely manner . Again , no sense advising people to temain in doors when they should flee .

  • @OneVerySadPanda
    @OneVerySadPanda 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No chemical diamonds on display?

  • @Kiwi_Bird438
    @Kiwi_Bird438 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was a kid when this happened. I was in the pool a few miles away from the blast, and the lifeguards thought it was thunder.

  • @anthonydivon5571
    @anthonydivon5571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As soon as the word Hazardous is used automatically red flag

  • @toryknotts8026
    @toryknotts8026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ideally these are stored in a detacated concrete bunkers

  • @Johnny53kgb-nsa
    @Johnny53kgb-nsa ปีที่แล้ว

    As a retired union industrial painter the one job I disliked the most being sent to was chemical companies.

  • @hanwentian8096
    @hanwentian8096 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mark this video: the first one Sheldon Smith narrated!

  • @amberblyledge7859
    @amberblyledge7859 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Call me completely off topic, but what is John Bresland's accent?

    • @rayarsenault1958
      @rayarsenault1958 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's originally from Ireland.

    • @amberblyledge7859
      @amberblyledge7859 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ray Arsenault Ah, thank you. It makes sense.

    • @homefront3162
      @homefront3162 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amber Blyledge Gay

    • @averagegeek3957
      @averagegeek3957 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Homefront Why are you posting homophobic comments?

    • @oron61
      @oron61 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Huzardus wöst disposal?

  • @EduardRitok
    @EduardRitok ปีที่แล้ว

    11:51 that girl is probably in the middle of her 20's , married and living somewhere else now 😅😅damn, the time runs fast. i feel old😬

  • @priestofsyrinx6681
    @priestofsyrinx6681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It amazes me that these companies do not care enough to provide a list of potential hazardous compounds/wastes that they may have. How the hell does the plant manager know what he's storing? Always have a log on-hand listing all currently stored chemicals and wastes.
    Oh, and let's just put oxidizers on top of various other chemical compounds in a hazardous waste shed.

  • @existing666
    @existing666 ปีที่แล้ว

    hold companies responsible for their negligence.

  • @themotofixery
    @themotofixery 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That guy is a robot!

  • @hadleymanmusic
    @hadleymanmusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    All these videos, you locate things at potential hazard in all these designs ill not elaborate here either.

  • @thomasbreig2292
    @thomasbreig2292 ปีที่แล้ว

    Didnt know Dwight Schrute worked for the CSB

  • @prismstudios001
    @prismstudios001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aunt BEa`s gonna be pissed…

  • @robertwilliams3527
    @robertwilliams3527 ปีที่แล้ว

    3rd boom, dad threw his cape on, took off like a rocket to save the day.

  • @Elite7555
    @Elite7555 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand this: These facilities need licences to run their operations, but the responding authorities don't know what they're dealing with? Isn't that bad communication?

    • @Luckingsworth
      @Luckingsworth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's because of all publicly funded programs, the fire dept is the one that even the dems choose to cut funding towards. Most fire stations are 1 paid chief and the rest volunteer. Nobody is properly trained.

    • @4nciite
      @4nciite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Luckingsworth *Especially the Dems*

  • @juicebox22a
    @juicebox22a 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Whats the cancer rate in that town now ?

  • @hexagonmagnetics569
    @hexagonmagnetics569 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    New York don't have these problems, we have rules for everything!

  • @I_SuperHiro_I
    @I_SuperHiro_I ปีที่แล้ว

    Where should we store these various hazardous chemicals that all violently react with each other?
    In the same building……no, stacked on each other.
    Good idea.

  • @bothewolf3466
    @bothewolf3466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Investigator Robert Hall's dead stare and monotone speach... wow.

    • @blazerocker1734
      @blazerocker1734 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He couldn't look more like he was reading from a teleprompter if he tried.

  • @chrisromero5302
    @chrisromero5302 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why would you store chlorine with an oxidizer. You dont have to be that smart to know that you dont do that.

  • @ripedecomp
    @ripedecomp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ..apex Colorado??? apex what???

  • @TheMattc999
    @TheMattc999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is nobody else gonna say anything about Dwight making an appearance at 4:06 ? Really? Y'all are going to make me point that out? Ok then.....😋 But seriously, that's gotta be Dwight Schreute (sp?) there at 4:06.

  • @Filboid2000
    @Filboid2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know that I'm watching this video thirteen years after it was posted but I still have to pose these two questions: doesn't the town of Apex have a fire marshal, and doesn't he do routine inspections of businesses? I find it very difficult to believe that a fire marshal would be okay with a couple of portable fire extinguishers in a place like that. EQ was clearly irresponsible in the handling of hazardous materials but it seems to me that, had a fire marshal inspected the facility, a red flag would have gone up immediately.

  • @ppser818
    @ppser818 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, I guess they got Rid of the waste - it's burnt to a crisp.