All the bop harmony you need to know in less than 20 minutes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Lots of people are moaning that this video is super speedy and hard to learn from. I don't think I really thought of it as a lesson, more a vlog. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, INTERNET MOANERS.
Will take longer than 20 minutes to learn. But basically I7-I V7-I and IV7-I and yer done (The I chord can be major, minor, dominant.)
This a case of picking my battles - the harmony of bebop is not in fact terribly complicated - what is complicated is the melody and rhythm.
Add tritone subs and melodic minor harmony to season.
www.barryharris.com/
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This guy has put up useful info free of charge. It should be appreciated. Those complaining are ungracious twats.
You are outstanding. I've watched all of the videos you upload. You do great work.
Wow! A real system that doesn't consist of just a few licks or tricks. Many thanks.
I actually really enjoy your whole stream of consciousness style of sharing your thought processes.
One thing that I would have liked at the end would have been a more concise recap summarizing your main points. I was thinking: shucks now I need to go back and listen to all that.
All in all, though: super helpful! Thx!
Personally, I find the vlog form extremely interesting. Maybe it's the way I process information, or maybe I just don't do well with "play this this way" type instruction.
But I get this!
And I know it's not really intended as a lesson, but I learned to play many yrs ago with a friend of mine, and as we discovered things, we explained it to each other in a similar fashion.
Thanks, I learn better this way, let's me discover on my own with sorta a compass point direction.
Works for me.
I really like the idea of ceeping the dominant mixolydian. Haven't spent enough time on that, mostly alterating it. Great channel, by the way, just discovered it, thanks!
Notice how he slides into a lot of notes to really give the phrases that vocal quality .
Excellent presentation and one of the very few that actually explain the genre of Bebop , if the analysis were slower and a bit more structured ie "backdoor" approach technique etc and a few tab diagrams , this would be one of the best bebop lessons on You Tube.
Thanks Vince! Yeah it's really fast and hard to follow lol. I may redo this at some point, but the slower it goes, the longer it is also.... When I started this channel it was more of a Vlog, but I've decided I don't mind it becoming more of a lesson channel. Seems to be people want that more... I'm not making any income out of this channel though, so the question is... How serious do I want this to be?
6:25 An alternative way of thinking of the the diminished passing chord is to think of it as a rootless 7b9 (i.e. C#dim = rootless C7b9: Db E G Bb); since any diminished arpeggio fits 4 dim chords (i.e. one for each not of the arpeggio) it can be either C Eb Gb or A with a rootless 7b9 sound. So effectively Cmaj7 C#dim Dm7 sounds like Cmaj7 A7b9 Dm7 which is a familiar enough sound. All the solo ideas mentioned work over that concept and the WH scale can be used as a Dim arpeggio with chromatic approaches to be used as and when not consistently in a scalic manner
Sure. Actually I was teaching something like that the other day. To my ears the WH scale needs to be considered this way when played by step - as a way of embellishing the dim arpeggio... It can't be played any old way unlike some scales, such as the altered, which always sounds great.
However you can use the scale harmonically as well - the use of diminished scale symmetry to relate dominant 7th chords (what Barry Harris calls 'brothers and sisters)' is another approach and something which I am only really beginning to dip into... Lot of possibilities...
Great, great lesson! Thank you!
if you're doing some niche it's not going to have a ton of followers but us that enjoy it really appreciate it man. fun stuff to drink coffee and watch before starting a practice session.
Thanks! This is preeettttyyyy niiiiiche haha. But it has its uses for people apparently, which was unexpected.
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook my favorite part about youtube for sure is watchers jazz players share their insights. very cool.
Friggin amazing, I have had to rewind it about 1000 times or so :) nevertheless friggin amazing, thank you
Amazing teacher love it
This seems brilliant but I am totally moaning. Never mind the playing, you speak so fast, I can't even follow that. I still spend all night playing with these concepts. You may have made me change my whole direction. Subscribed.
Well gosh, I just had to go superfast to get it in time....;-) But I'm glad you extracted something from my burblings, that's fantastic and the reason why I do these videos.... Thanks for commenting!
Hey Sean, you can play the video at a slower rate !! You can change it up there in that gear symbol. Cheers !
Very Good video! I just found your channel. How are you getting the hollow body sound out of a tele? It sounds great! I play a tele and want to start playing Jazz. Again, very good! Kyle
Kyle Strauser 1) strings - not essential but helpful. I use TI swings gauge .13 2) picking near the neck pickup 3) using a firm but light pick attack, using a decent weight pick (1.5mm +)
Thanks for another great video. I said it before but your sound really reminds me of the great Dave Cliff. Nice work!
Simon Kemp you can say that as many times as you like :-)
hehe, I wish I could says the same about myself! I'll try and catch you at a gig soon
Hopefully! Thanks for stopping by...
Tried to make it to the Archduke last night but apologies, couldn't make it in the end. Please try to do some North London gigs this year!
Of This, I Dig.
Great instructional. thank you
Heyo, thanks for the video. I didn't really catch what you meant by b7 sub at around 5:10, what does that mean? Thanks in advance for a response!
Subbing for instance an Fmaj7 on G7 - F is b7 of G
Man, some of you folks will have your names engraved in the deep and subterrenean history of jazz pedagogy. Thanks for making this info available to folks like me who're not born into the tradition. God bless!
very good lesson and very funny as you dont stop to touch the volume and tone buttons
Ha ha yes
You had me at Telecaster!! 😍☺️👍🏽
5:05 you mention a bVII sub. In a major key, I'm most familiar with that chord as borrowed from parallell minor to make a iv-bVII7 (backdoor cadence). What does it mean here? Just a sub for vii? Sorry for being pedantic, just curious!
Yeah, you don't need to think about the iv as separate. ii-V's are always just reducable to the V (or the ii if you prefer) - in any case they are a unit together.
It's just the bVII7 chord is basically the same thing as a IIm7b5. So, in C major, we have Bb9 which is Bb D F Ab C. The top bit of this a Dm7b5 chord D F Ab C. Which also the same as an Fm6 with the 6(D) in the bass.
So the backdoor cadence is the same thing as a IIm7b5 chord.
(So you can always play dominant (or minor) stuff on half dim in this way. So you should never be short of any half dim lines now if you've understood :-))
So, basically having ivm6, bVII7, iim7b5 is all the same thing, and if we raise that bVII to a vii we get the V7b9 or viio7 sound.
So Dm7b5 G7b9 Cm = (Fm) Bb9 Bo7 Cm with a different bassline.
That's so weird, I only discovered how close a V7 was to VII m7b5 recently (the same relationship as you pointed out, vii m7b5 = V9 ). So if I'm understanding this right, it's the same idea but in a minor key?
Weirdly, I was using half-dim arpeggios over dominants to eke out a 9th kinda sound, and not vice versa! Will definitely try this though. Really appreciate the response - on the other videos too, a lot to think about!
Mac yeah exactly.
I think it’s not always obvious to ‘reverse the polarity’ but it’s usually worth at least messing with any given idea.
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This isn't me disagreeing, just trying to expand a bit:
The neat thing about keeping the ii chords is it allows you to back-cycle another altered V7 or diminished vii as an approach to the ii (or the iv in this case), like a bii(dim7) going to ii, then a bII7(tri-tone sub)/V7alt moving back to Imaj7 (or I7, or ii7).
Of course this is really just creating two seperate V-I changes, the V7 of ii resolving to ii, and then V7 of I resolving to I; so in reality we are doing as you say and reducing everything to V and I, we're just adding a back-cycled altered secondary dominant resolving to ii7 (dorian) … it doubles the harmonic tempo and chromatic voice leading over the same time period. A bar of I going to a bar of V7 becomes a half bar of I going to a half bar of V7 of ii going to a half bar of ii, going to a half bar of V7 going back to I (V7-I vs. biidim7-ii7-bII7-I in the same space of two bars).
Sometimes I think of all this in terms of mediant relationships, the bVII7, ii7b5, and iv chord are all diatonic subs (diatonic mediants) … but the backdoor prog is also in a way a chromatic mediant relationship (major chord built on the minor 3rd) with a deceptive cadence, instead of resolving to a bIIImaj7 chord (iv7-VII7-bIIImaj7 … AKA, a ii7-V7-I to the maj chord built off of the minor third). In other words the same diminished sound that resolves to the bIII also resolves to I.
So if you really want to shove in a lot of chromatic voice leading it can become vii of iv to iv and then vii of I resolving to I (superimposed over the bVII7 to I, with the dim/alt sound approaching the iv over the previous chord).
The ii chord is cool because you can't really back-cycle into an altered chord; a V7alt of a V7alt doesn't really work smoothly, you need the diatonic ii for the resolution … the only thing better than a V-I is two V-I's
Hello, I've really been enjoying your videos! I'm wondering what model Telecaster your playing?
Cheers boss, it's a 2005 USA Deluxe, stock everything, anything string wise from flats to .11 roundwounds....
Also play the missus' silver 2015 USA deluxe, same deal
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook that being said, what amp please? Thanks!
Nice tone! what amp, strings, pick, are you using with the Tele?
Fender Princeton Reverb amp, strings not sure. This was a while ago!
is the 7th mode of a melodic minor scale an alterered or dominant sharp 9 scale
David Scott i don’t understand the question? Yes to both
Jazz Guitar Scrapbook well for a question you didn't understand ..you answered it for me ...thanks!!!
I think I don't get the point of what you're teaching. I need always to make things sound more dominant? Like, emphasize G7 notes when playing a Cmaj7 chord or C7 notes when playing Gm7?
André Borela - I’m not sure if I remember what I said in this video, but I think maybe I didn’t explain it as well as I could have. Maybe my more recent videos explain it better?
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook Thanks for answering. I think it's because this lesson was a little bit improvised, like a stream of consciousness as someone said in the comments haha. I don't understand english that well anyway...
I'll search the more recent uploads
Listen to you talking?
'Perfection has it's critics too..' Anon.
You make me a better player thx
Lav mic would help us brother
So wait, hang on. Gm7-C7-F, play C7-F. Em7b5-A7-Dm, play C7-Dm, sharpening the C to C# on the way down. Both cases are C7 going into a tonic, relative major and minor. Bbm as a IVm-sub for C7 gives melodic minor sounds when played into Dm. C7 and A7 are the same family of four dominants.
...Are you saying the playing bebop is just learning a bunch dominant language, and then playing around with it? It can't be so simple, surely?
Yes, it is. This gets you a long way. Like 75-80% of it. Then you learn the minors, stick in a bit of blues and some whole tone and diminished stuff if you fancy and you are DONE.
(the tricky bit - learning all the repertoire and applying it.)
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook Well. To work I go! Thanks so much for this. :)
6:30 birds in the background practicing V - I
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I think the better title would be "all the Bebop I need to know".....
I’ve been playing guitar for 30+ years but I only know major and minor pentatonic and a handful of chords (I can hear the internet groan from here). I can shred like Malmsteen (okay maybe not that good) or strum a decent rendition of ‘All right now’ but my skills are simply basic compared to yourself and many others (although at least I have vibrato that doesn’t sound like a nervous cat - I’m not referring to yours btw, just a general observation of a lot of internet players...all the gear but no idea sort of thing) I find your depth of knowledge and fretboard skills mind blowing and awesome to watch - even though I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. And being a fellow Englishman I can relate to your humour. Thanks for posting and teaching this old dog a few new tricks even though I still don’t know what I’m doing! 😂 Also, I’m looking for a Telecaster and I noticed a lot of Jazz players use them. I’ve tried a few ‘vintage’ style guitars and I’m curious to know if accomplished jazz guitarists, like yourself, prefer 7.24 or 9.25 radius necks, fat or thin, necks, etc. or you just don’t care so long as it plays well and sounds good? I look forward to the next posting!
Thanks! I think there jazz players who are a lot more exacting than me when it comes to necks etc. I prefer wider necks (the tele is perfect and my late 60s 175 is a bit annoying.) probably flatter is better too. But I go buy the sound. The Gibson sounds fantastic, but it’s such a character... that’s the price I pay. It’s like a dear friend who also drives you up the wall sometimes.
I learned be bop in 10 minutes.
Question from anthropology corner: Is it the terrible difficulty of guitar as opposed to say piano playing which makes guitarists so unsufferably grindingly autistically boring? Or is it their nerdish academic obsession with narrow musical forms?
TH-cam's a funny one isn't it? It never fails to amaze me how people take time out of their day to vent their spleen at total strangers. What instrument is that typical of? Or do you not play?
Actually, don't tell me - I think you might be a pianist. A total pianist.
on the contrary, a cunning linguist is what i am and as unimpressed by sir's attempt at a sense of tumour..
chortle wheeeeze
That's about my level
If you watch this in 2x speed, you'll get all the bop harmony you need to know in less than 10 minutes! (It's silly to complain that you couldn't actually digest everything in 20 minutes. I'll add this video on my todo list and spend the next few decades going through all the listed things)
yzimsx haha no - it took me about 3 years. It’s not that much stuff, but application is always the kicker
Quite fast master. Cool stuff but Can you please slow it down next time?
I've got a horrible dickish urge to shitpost the same video at half speed... but I won't because I'm not a complete douche :-)
I respond at the same speed I do my videos lol
There's a lot of good information here. You should slow down a little in your presentation.
Well y'know I had to get it in under 20m. I suppose you could always run it at half speed ;-)
In a sense this info is not that much use on its own.
You could do it in two videos. By the way , how could I run it at half speed?
I might do if I get time. This isn't really a teaching channel BTW more of a vlog at the moment. I might do more lessony stuff in future as that seems to be what people expect. Re: speed settings, go to the cog/settings icon. Seriously this is a very useful thing for slowing down music for transcription.
From the Gear Icon on the playback bar (to the right side)
I used to have one of those telecasters ,I used to rip the shit out of it .then chuck it in the corner of the room,wipe up all the drool an skin up again .an carry on listening to jimi.now I just take my medicine an sit quietly all day long .harsh.
Fredricko Smithson that sounds like much more fun ....
"Knowing" this information and being able to HEAR it are two entirely different things; many people struggle with that simple fact. If you listen to a tune, can you tell what key it's in? A piano player plays a random chord.. can you play it back on your guitar? if the answer to those questions is "No," then all this is an exercise in futility. Might just as well take a blind man to a museum to look at the paintings.
Except bop doesn’t consist of random chords. So the problem of hearing bop at least actually simpler than that. But yes I agree it has to be heard. That’s everything.
I've left ma queeries, didn't need 'em after this;)
7th mode of Harmonic Minor...Super Locrian bb7...
Super dooper locrian?
Ultra locrian
Mega locrian
NONE MORE LOCRIAN!!!!!!!!!!
e) all of the above
Hm. So just to summarize, it looks the basics of harmony are really:
Major 2-5,
Minor 2-5,
1-6-2-5 (six can be minor or dominant),
1-1#dim-2-5 (substitution for above),
1-b7dom-2-5
Sound about right? Obviously there are different combinations but this seems to cover most of the songs of the era.
Rohan Casukhela don’t forget the 1-b3dim-2-5
And the two variants of the plagal - 1 - 4 - 4m and 1-4-#4o7-1.
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook Thank you so much. Just another question, if that's okay.
Do you see the 4dim used often in traditional jazz harmony? Like Fdim for a C major key center. I personally haven't but want to be aware of the most common diminished substitutions in my playing.
Unless I'm mistaken, the major/minor 2-5 and the 1-6-2-5 and their diminished/dominant variants are the fundamentals.
its far from easy man,,,if you have ADHD its like ,,i cant understand it,,just her the different,,and then its so sad,because i really need to learn me grama
This would be interesting to me, as someone interested in jazz, but I think you assume the viewers understand concepts and language that you have learnt. For example you're talking about 7th scales without saying what they are and then casually drop in Mixolydian without linking it to the 7ths. More advanced players might know this but they're already well on the way, but people who only know the basics of jazz are like " er, what did he mean by that?" So if your videos are only for advanced players, please say, otherwise viewers are going to have a very patchy understanding of what you're teaching.
Valid points. OTOH I did this video a long time ago, I think my presentation has improved, although no-one watches my videos as much these days it seems...
That said I've kind of stopped doing tutorials.
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I would consider Jens Larsen an accomplished player and yet he'll do basic stuff, building arpeggios etc as well as slightly more esoteric things. You referenced Barry Harris in this, he was a great teacher but in his classes he was teaching to music scholars who, by definition, are more advanced in their development. It's just an opinion, but if you want to build a subscriber base I'd focus on the intermediate players who are maybe moving from rock to jazz and he need some assistance in developing a vocabulary. This is only an opinion, it's your channel I don't mean to lecture.
Not for beginners lol
Haha no
Rocknrolladube oh hello I missed this comment. I think I might put this in a q&a but check out Jens Larsen for sure. Also the jazz guitar channel
All bebop harmony condensed into 20 minutes is not for beginners...
Surprise surprise.
Personally I'm glad you don't feel you have to give structured, scripted 'lessons'. This conversational approach might require the viewer to actually listen and interpret, but that investment will pay dividends.
Why so much Talking?
Why so little listening?
;-)
I can't understand a word you say. Slow down, stop mumbling. Maybe get a good microphone or a lavalier or something.
This isn't about sharing or teaching....this is about "Show Boating"..people like Larry Carlton and Scott Henderson actually "teach" ! take some lessons from the masters...then pass it on.
Doug Smith I completely agree actually
I might add that IIRC none of this material is 'mine' - it all originates from Barry Harris. Look him up if you don't know him. But looking back at this video I do kind of wonder what I was trying to do. I think it was mostly for my own benefit. FWIW it's one if my most viewed - and liked - videos for some weird reason, and if it points people in Barry's direction, job done.
Also, this channel isn't really a video lessons channel - it's more like a sort of ... Jazz Guitar .... Scrapbook? Some videos are lessons... Others are more like practice vlogs... This one is somewhere in between. I don't really bother catering so much for people's expectations (and nobody got time for that shit.)
I have to disagree, at least for me this is great instruction. He clearly says at the beginning what you will already need to have to understand the video. There is an incredible amount of information packed into 20 mins. Depending on your starting point and abilities, you could easily take 5 years to get to the point where this video is useful and then another 5 years practicing everything in this video. This is a video i will keep coming back to over and over. It seems to me that Christian has taken lessons from the masters like Wes Montgomery, Jim Hall and Charlie Christian and passed them on. If you want Scott Henderson you are really on the wrong page of the internet.
Wow thanks.... I love Scott BTW, what a great guitarist & educator. But yes this is not quite his alley....I put this stuff up - not everybody will dig it.
Yep, love Scott and Larry too. I just think some people off the internet should show us their own guitar teaching/vlog channel before criticising someone else's!
You talk too fast and you don't enunciate enough. Most of us are not Brits, bro. We ain't from the corner pub. lol
So you’re not a Brit, but you’re telling a Brit how to speak English. American, are we?
Looool corner pub.
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Just the pub mate.
If it's not a lesson ? What is it...lol....Jesus you dont explain ANYTHING...or actually show HOW you do anything...You do play great but it would be nice if you slowed down here and there ....ZOOM in on the neck so if your not going to show or explain...perhaps we might get to see some of it...lol
Have you considered the possibility it's not the right lesson for you? I can't tailor my material to everyone's needs. For that, you really need one-on-one tuition with someone. Basically I video myself banging on about whatever's on my mind and go with that. It's frankly a miracle that some people find it useful at all, lol. I have been playing jazz for 25 years, and this is what was on my mind that particular day. There's a lot of assumed knowledge.