my favorite Beast Mode Reviewer! there is a knife for everyones needs and budgets luckily, but one thing I love is that you put the "hard use" and VERY EXPENSIVE knives to the test and put your money were your mouth is and let the chips fall be it good or bad. As always Respect to you, and thanks for not just cutting paper and talking about smoothness, when I buy a $50 or 500 knife I except them to perform, look good, feel good, and take a serious beating if some some reason I was stranded or left in the woods. I know people say "get a fixed blade" but fixed blades just are not something Im comfortable carrying for my own reasons. Anyways Respect and hope one day your patreon or youtube help pay for some of the shit you due in these experiments.
It's almost painful to watch! My large sebenza has the unique graphics and tiger's eye inlay so I'd never dream of doing this to her. Maybe my umnumzaan or large inkosi. Even then, I'd be reluctant. I think the xm-18 or socom elite would be better suited for this type of task.
@@1donnatien did the bearings dent the steel backing plate? Normally the bearings do that, even on the socom. Super steel steve is doing a video on that.
@@neroknives1828 Is that something for concern in long term use? Just ordered a socom (think your channel influenced me too much because I've also been carrying a millie) and I doubt I'll be regularly prying 2x4s with 4 nails in them. However for semi regular light prying I'm hoping that won't be an issue.
The two thick screws holding the extra large washers and rigid titanium scales tight against the blade are the reason I started buying the 21. I like the front end of the 21 so much that I don't carry anything else anymore. That is probably my favorite and a rather unique feature of the knife. THANK YOU for showing what they can take. I carry and use them... but not like that. Thanks again.
I like that you like the Sebenza. I might just always carry one of my CRK knives as a back pocket back up for what ever fidget toy I’m carrying that day. Thanks for the scary awesome video!
Hey @Neroknives I and my large Inkosi completely agree with you. From my personal experience, those larger frame locks like Inkosi/Sebeneza/Umnumzaan from CRK are totally well designed and prepared for hard use and then some. Because of smart choice of the right balance between hardness and durability in S35VN that is otherwise not as supermodern like M390 and others steels, but doest chip and roll as easily in return. Also unlike Medford Praetorian/Extrema Ratio RAO/Cold Steel AD10 can also cut anything very well without just splitting the material :D So more practical and still overbuild in the right places (ie. large washers, stop pin, and around the pivot in general) because of that feels like a tank.
Usually knives aren’t up to that type of thing. The pm2 is an example. Cutlery steel is a very extreme material compared to everything else, when you tune geometry and hardness and carbide volume you can make something that’s basically indestructible. The key is to prevent the knife from even yielding. I’d be scared to pry super heavy stuff with a strider because of the deployment hole, you can imagine how that would be a stress area
Using a hammer to force a thin knife into busting a log instead of using the hammer on the log itself is like using a truck to push your shopping cart to your home all the way from a grocery store. Different tools for different tasks.
Nero sooo I see you use the Zaan mostly anymore. And I am rocking a para 3 k390 and am stuck between trading off for a Zaan or sebbie maybe tanto I’m not sure how would the Zaan compare to the seb in this application.
frame lock are fine for hard use, They are just not my favorite for other reasons. Chris reeves are fine for hard use, they just cost so much nobody wants to use them like that
Wow!! I had no idea you could pry like that with a folder! Don’t think I’d ever do it , but it’s good to know you can if needed. ..how bout a hinder pry video ? 🤷🏼♂️ Great content man. Keep it up.
Haha. This was a one and done type video. I just wanted the info out there. I'm not going to keep doing this with my knives. If people donated i would. But i don't make enough to risk braking 400+ dollar knives daily.
you got me cracking up,,, I can't remember the other guy from years ago, I will have to shout him out he took a ton of shit for some of his views but he went out and tested and ruffled some serious feathers, but he posted his outcomes and let the person watching decide. Keep it up Vinny! and good luck building a solid following.
@@neroknives1828 haha Yes sir good old Neptune, funny Neptune and Nero both out there just showing results and putting knife myths and hype to the test. I think this is why I like both of you-both people putting there knives thru hell and testing there hypothesis online for others to learn and make there own decision. Knowledge is power and you, Neptune, Cedric and Ada, believe Paddys? all good channels for those looking for a little extra from a "reviewer" Im sure theres others but those came to mind. Thanks for the effort Vinny, I try to watch all your videos and comment and hope this helps to get them seen as much as possible.
Im pretty sure your talking about neptune knives. Afaik mick strider hated dudes guts and chris reeve had some choice words for him also. He eventually started building his own knives
That would make the lock worse. A large cap or new stop pin is required on Striders to adjust for the lock wearing down. I don't believe Strider hardens their lock face. I've had three, only one was worth the $$$.
What up Nero! Just purchased my first CRK. It’s a Large Inkosi w/ Micarta inlays. How do you think it stacks up to the Sebenza in hard use/prying as you show in the video? Thanks for all the great info btw.
Recently got my third crk, also a large inkosi with natural micarta inlays. I'm also interested in what Vinny thinks of the strength of the Inkosi vs. the Umnumzaan vs. the large Sebenza. They're all built very strong with the tight tolerances. I'd like to know his opinion of the xm-18 and socom elite as well.
Inkosi would be able to handle a little more due to the thicker stock and grind. But you loose a fair amount of cutting preference for that added durability. I prefer the umnum and sebenza because of that. You may feel differently tho.
I'm learning here so bear with me: So what would happen if in an ideal world we have two knives with different steels, let's say sandvik and D2, heat treated to 60 rockwell, both knives have the exact same behind the edge thickness, same blade geometry, the edge angles are also the same and the apex is appropriately centered what would happen? How much does the metals composition play a role with working edge retention?
On it's own composition plays a very small role in determining edge retention. For instance, if you take two steels, one a simple steel like 1095 and the other maximet. If you blow the ht on maximet and it only comes out at 55 hrc, and you nail the HT on your 1095 and it comes out at 64 hrc. The simple 1095 will have higher edge retention. Composition, edge angle, and ht together determine edge retention. If you screw one up, it falls apart.
@@neroknives1828 So if you "condition" your knife appropriately regardless of the steel you can maximize its potential and if its (assumingly) heat treated right I can get a damn good life out of it? I just got a great deal on a knife with s35vn made by WE and I do a lot of work with cardboard(I work in shipping and receiving) and need a knife to last me my entire 8hr shift and can't really afford top of the line steels.
@@lyndylou1686 I'm not sure what you mean by condition. With s35vn from we, we can assume it's a decent ht. So we have a couple options on how to increase its edge retention to make it last 8hrs. Starting with the easy one's 1. You can have a simple little strop or stone that fits in your pocket, cheap and will keep you cutting pretty much indefinitely. 2. We can lower the edge angle. Lowering the edge angle of a knife will greatly increase it's edge retention. Even if you only lower it by a cuple degrees. 3. Regrind the knife. The thinner a knife is behind the edge, the lower you can sharpen it increasing edge retention. Also the thinner a knife is behind the edge, right around. 010 the knife no longer needs to he sharp to cut. So again you can basically cut indefinitely like that as well. All good options. If you want you can do 1 or pick 2 or do all 3. It's really up to you. But any one of them will be beneficial.
@@neroknives1828 I meant like fine tune your knife I have the foldable DMT fine diamond stone and a strop with some compound, I haven't used the DMT in awhile, I totally forgot I had it haha I've been using the KME currently, still not all that great at it just got it about a week ago. But maybe once I trust my skillset I'll regrind the blade to lower my angles and behind the edge thickness a bit
I'm not gonna lie that video made me cringe especially when you're broke out the sebenza. I don't pry with my folders but it was pretty cool to watch that!
I use knives all the time, pretty hard too. I don't abuse them though. Knives arent meant for prying, not even fixed blades. They are meant for cutting, slashing and stabbing though. I've seen many liner and frame locks fail with very little pressure, back locks not so much and never a Triad lock equipped knife. In my experience I'd take a triad over a frame or liner lock any day for hard use. Then again if a guy is smart he will always remember that a folding knife is a folding knife, that a lock can fail and use the knife accordingly. Even with Cold steel I'm very aware of when I'm doing something that could possibly put my fingers in danger should a failure occur. That said I don't trust frame locks or liner locks for hard use.
Cold steels aus 8 was very easy to break. I had a custom made triad by andrew demko his ad10 built to my specs. Still regret selling that as it was and is my grail knife
@@zurich264 A guy at work was using his Cold Steel Espada XL in AUS 8 like an axe, chopping shit and I watched him snap the blade right in half. He mailed it back to CS and they shipped him out a new one in CTS- XHP no questions asked.
These really aren't my standards for anything. This was just to test my theory, and put my money where my mouth is so to speak. I talk about why i did it at the end of the video. I'd have to assume i would snap the handle in half like super steel steve showed with the bailout. That's only like a two oz plastic knife, it wouldn't be able to withstand this much lateral force. The bugout is more for a light edc slicing knife, and there's definitely nothing wrong with that.
Why brother why put the knife through it.......... just why even waste your time really dude do you care that much about prying.......... but anyway let it rip!!!!!!
If i used a proper functioning strider then trying to prove a point that you dont need a stong lock to pry would've been less meaningful. also if a compromised strider can do it, Naturally a proper functioning strider can. I feel this added more
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I love the spontaneity and unknown outcome in these demos. Raw and real !
that's about 7-800 dollars worth of info, thanks for putting ur stuff on the line, great video
“Use your shit” to a whole new level! Respect ✊
Thanks for doing this work and beating up your stuff to give information.
my favorite Beast Mode Reviewer! there is a knife for everyones needs and budgets luckily, but one thing I love is that you put the "hard use" and VERY EXPENSIVE knives to the test and put your money were your mouth is and let the chips fall be it good or bad. As always Respect to you, and thanks for not just cutting paper and talking about smoothness, when I buy a $50 or 500 knife I except them to perform, look good, feel good, and take a serious beating if some some reason I was stranded or left in the woods. I know people say "get a fixed blade" but fixed blades just are not something Im comfortable carrying for my own reasons. Anyways Respect and hope one day your patreon or youtube help pay for some of the shit you due in these experiments.
This is the kind of info we need!
Balls of steel! I never would have done that with the CR
It's almost painful to watch! My large sebenza has the unique graphics and tiger's eye inlay so I'd never dream of doing this to her. Maybe my umnumzaan or large inkosi. Even then, I'd be reluctant.
I think the xm-18 or socom elite would be better suited for this type of task.
I'm with you. Only I'll use my ZT 0562. I've used it for this already
@@1donnatien did the bearings dent the steel backing plate? Normally the bearings do that, even on the socom. Super steel steve is doing a video on that.
never had a problem
@@neroknives1828 Is that something for concern in long term use? Just ordered a socom (think your channel influenced me too much because I've also been carrying a millie) and I doubt I'll be regularly prying 2x4s with 4 nails in them. However for semi regular light prying I'm hoping that won't be an issue.
Awesome content man, you really are making me appreciate “the big 3” more and more. RESPECT 👊
The two thick screws holding the extra large washers and rigid titanium scales tight against the blade are the reason I started buying the 21. I like the front end of the 21 so much that I don't carry anything else anymore. That is probably my favorite and a rather unique feature of the knife. THANK YOU for showing what they can take. I carry and use them... but not like that. Thanks again.
I like that you like the Sebenza. I might just always carry one of my CRK knives as a back pocket back up for what ever fidget toy I’m carrying that day. Thanks for the scary awesome video!
I just bought a sebenza and I love it.
J/K I bought a cold steel 💪🏻
Lol🤣
Beastly demo! Thanks for going above and beyond!
Hey @Neroknives
I and my large Inkosi completely agree with you. From my personal experience, those larger frame locks like Inkosi/Sebeneza/Umnumzaan from CRK are totally well designed and prepared for hard use and then some. Because of smart choice of the right balance between hardness and durability in S35VN that is otherwise not as supermodern like M390 and others steels, but doest chip and roll as easily in return. Also unlike Medford Praetorian/Extrema Ratio RAO/Cold Steel AD10 can also cut anything very well without just splitting the material :D
So more practical and still overbuild in the right places (ie. large washers, stop pin, and around the pivot in general) because of that feels like a tank.
With the blade bushing the sebenza is very solid. Plus reeve wrote the book on heating . Nice test buddy .
to all knife reviewers. this is the way you review a knife and not on a table top giving some bull shit nerd review.
"buttery smooth, and center" are words that make me cringe... They all do the same review!
Awesome vid!
3:52 You almost stabbed the shit outta yourself my guy, mad respect didn't even flinch lmao!
finally a proper review...someone actually using a knife!!
woulnd do this with a knife ever, but i do respect the fact you do to show that they are capable!
You have some large wildlife in your backyard. Thought I saw a bear walk by a couple times.
Agreed that CRK makes some tough knives.
Always pushing the limits bro!
How did the tip not break?! That's what blows my mind. I can't tell you how many tips I've broke just by doing light tip work, and not prying.
Usually knives aren’t up to that type of thing. The pm2 is an example.
Cutlery steel is a very extreme material compared to everything else, when you tune geometry and hardness and carbide volume you can make something that’s basically indestructible. The key is to prevent the knife from even yielding.
I’d be scared to pry super heavy stuff with a strider because of the deployment hole, you can imagine how that would be a stress area
I thought that Strider was going to cut your fingers off with that garbage lockup. Be careful!
I cried a little. Traumatized!
Using a hammer to force a thin knife into busting a log instead of using the hammer on the log itself is like using a truck to push your shopping cart to your home all the way from a grocery store. Different tools for different tasks.
Nero sooo I see you use the Zaan mostly anymore. And I am rocking a para 3 k390 and am stuck between trading off for a Zaan or sebbie maybe tanto I’m not sure how would the Zaan compare to the seb in this application.
Great video
.. Also keep up the working out... Arms looking good.. No homo
Haha. Thanks bro. Gym and knives are life.
frame lock are fine for hard use, They are just not my favorite for other reasons. Chris reeves are fine for hard use, they just cost so much nobody wants to use them like that
Wow!! I had no idea you could pry like that with a folder! Don’t think I’d ever do it , but it’s good to know you can if needed. ..how bout a hinder pry video ? 🤷🏼♂️
Great content man. Keep it up.
Haha. This was a one and done type video. I just wanted the info out there. I'm not going to keep doing this with my knives. If people donated i would. But i don't make enough to risk braking 400+ dollar knives daily.
neroknives yea good point... I don’t blame you.
Are you kidding? Have you seen super steel Steve pry apart that pallet with an Emerson folder?
you got me cracking up,,, I can't remember the other guy from years ago, I will have to shout him out he took a ton of shit for some of his views but he went out and tested and ruffled some serious feathers, but he posted his outcomes and let the person watching decide. Keep it up Vinny! and good luck building a solid following.
Haha. Thanks a lot man👊
And i think i know who you're talking about. Neptune knives maybe? He beat the shit out of his knives.
@@neroknives1828 haha Yes sir good old Neptune, funny Neptune and Nero both out there just showing results and putting knife myths and hype to the test. I think this is why I like both of you-both people putting there knives thru hell and testing there hypothesis online for others to learn and make there own decision. Knowledge is power and you, Neptune, Cedric and Ada, believe Paddys? all good channels for those looking for a little extra from a "reviewer" Im sure theres others but those came to mind. Thanks for the effort Vinny, I try to watch all your videos and comment and hope this helps to get them seen as much as possible.
Kyle Riley Dang I forgot about some of the OG knife guys on TH-cam. Brings back good memories of the good ol’ days.
Im pretty sure your talking about neptune knives. Afaik mick strider hated dudes guts and chris reeve had some choice words for him also. He eventually started building his own knives
When you pry. Do you pry up where you make the lock open or pry down to pit compressive force on the lock?
Great info! Thanks!
Thumbs up brother. Better you than me! 👍
Great examples!
Good video...thanks for sharing
Isn't there a way to repair that slipping lock? Can't you reprofile the lock face and tang?
That would make the lock worse. A large cap or new stop pin is required on Striders to adjust for the lock wearing down. I don't believe Strider hardens their lock face. I've had three, only one was worth the $$$.
Fuck yeah. Awesome as always.
I like to see cold steel sr1 tanto do the jobs too.. cheapest and thicker stock blade
What up Nero! Just purchased my first CRK. It’s a Large Inkosi w/ Micarta inlays. How do you think it stacks up to the Sebenza in hard use/prying as you show in the video? Thanks for all the great info btw.
Recently got my third crk, also a large inkosi with natural micarta inlays. I'm also interested in what Vinny thinks of the strength of the Inkosi vs. the Umnumzaan vs. the large Sebenza. They're all built very strong with the tight tolerances. I'd like to know his opinion of the xm-18 and socom elite as well.
mr. jinks I also have a Socom Elite. By far my favorite folder (haven’t received Inkosi yet). For the price and build quality it’s an excellent value.
@@Trevor-zt6fx Yep, the socom is excellent. And you're going to love the inkosi.
Inkosi would be able to handle a little more due to the thicker stock and grind. But you loose a fair amount of cutting preference for that added durability. I prefer the umnum and sebenza because of that. You may feel differently tho.
@@neroknives1828 Makes sense. I got the inkosi with the tanto blade. Really like how they do the grind on the tip.
Like your cat.
Striders especially soak up loctite
More screen time for Doofus please Alan.
I'm learning here so bear with me: So what would happen if in an ideal world we have two knives with different steels, let's say sandvik and D2, heat treated to 60 rockwell, both knives have the exact same behind the edge thickness, same blade geometry, the edge angles are also the same and the apex is appropriately centered what would happen? How much does the metals composition play a role with working edge retention?
On it's own composition plays a very small role in determining edge retention. For instance, if you take two steels, one a simple steel like 1095 and the other maximet. If you blow the ht on maximet and it only comes out at 55 hrc, and you nail the HT on your 1095 and it comes out at 64 hrc. The simple 1095 will have higher edge retention.
Composition, edge angle, and ht together determine edge retention. If you screw one up, it falls apart.
@@neroknives1828 So if you "condition" your knife appropriately regardless of the steel you can maximize its potential and if its (assumingly) heat treated right I can get a damn good life out of it? I just got a great deal on a knife with s35vn made by WE and I do a lot of work with cardboard(I work in shipping and receiving) and need a knife to last me my entire 8hr shift and can't really afford top of the line steels.
@@lyndylou1686 I'm not sure what you mean by condition.
With s35vn from we, we can assume it's a decent ht. So we have a couple options on how to increase its edge retention to make it last 8hrs.
Starting with the easy one's
1. You can have a simple little strop or stone that fits in your pocket, cheap and will keep you cutting pretty much indefinitely.
2. We can lower the edge angle. Lowering the edge angle of a knife will greatly increase it's edge retention. Even if you only lower it by a cuple degrees.
3. Regrind the knife. The thinner a knife is behind the edge, the lower you can sharpen it increasing edge retention. Also the thinner a knife is behind the edge, right around. 010 the knife no longer needs to he sharp to cut. So again you can basically cut indefinitely like that as well.
All good options. If you want you can do 1 or pick 2 or do all 3. It's really up to you. But any one of them will be beneficial.
@@neroknives1828 I meant like fine tune your knife I have the foldable DMT fine diamond stone and a strop with some compound, I haven't used the DMT in awhile, I totally forgot I had it haha I've been using the KME currently, still not all that great at it just got it about a week ago. But maybe once I trust my skillset I'll regrind the blade to lower my angles and behind the edge thickness a bit
Who carbidized the lock?
Rather not say. It wasn't his fault. I don't want to negatively impact his business in anyway.
@@neroknives1828 I just want to get my sng carbidized.
Nice video bud.
Thanks man 👊
Wow
DOOFUS!!!😍
I'm not gonna lie that video made me cringe especially when you're broke out the sebenza. I don't pry with my folders but it was pretty cool to watch that!
I use knives all the time, pretty hard too. I don't abuse them though. Knives arent meant for prying, not even fixed blades. They are meant for cutting, slashing and stabbing though. I've seen many liner and frame locks fail with very little pressure, back locks not so much and never a Triad lock equipped knife. In my experience I'd take a triad over a frame or liner lock any day for hard use. Then again if a guy is smart he will always remember that a folding knife is a folding knife, that a lock can fail and use the knife accordingly. Even with Cold steel I'm very aware of when I'm doing something that could possibly put my fingers in danger should a failure occur. That said I don't trust frame locks or liner locks for hard use.
Cold steels aus 8 was very easy to break. I had a custom made triad by andrew demko his ad10 built to my specs. Still regret selling that as it was and is my grail knife
@@zurich264 A guy at work was using his Cold Steel Espada XL in AUS 8 like an axe, chopping shit and I watched him snap the blade right in half. He mailed it back to CS and they shipped him out a new one in CTS- XHP no questions asked.
😬😬😬😬
How do you think the Benchmade Bugout would handle your standards?
These really aren't my standards for anything. This was just to test my theory, and put my money where my mouth is so to speak. I talk about why i did it at the end of the video.
I'd have to assume i would snap the handle in half like super steel steve showed with the bailout. That's only like a two oz plastic knife, it wouldn't be able to withstand this much lateral force. The bugout is more for a light edc slicing knife, and there's definitely nothing wrong with that.
All jokes aside, do people really think sebenzas are delicate?
I’m gonna have to ask you to use safety googles next time. Not cool.
Tap or snap!
I was CRINGING for you to wear safety gloves when you were putting the sebenza between those safety planks man
not safe for hard use
Nero super sonic speed
Was that another sex joke? 😑
@@neroknives1828 no I was commenting on your amazing speed in the first 30 seconds of the video
@@Yokatosh haha i know. I was just joking around.
Bs test. Nails look a little too short 👍
Next video.... prying a I beam with a strider and sebenza??
Yikes, I can hardly watch. I fear for both your knives and your fingers. Balsy for sure.
Know what else is awesome at prying?!? A damn pry bar!!! Lmao jk thx for doing the cringe work so we don't have to
Why brother why put the knife through it.......... just why even waste your time really dude do you care that much about prying.......... but anyway let it rip!!!!!!
Using a molested lock Strider to prove a point that hard use framelocks are able to pry🤔.
At least use a non compromised Strider
If i used a proper functioning strider then trying to prove a point that you dont need a stong lock to pry would've been less meaningful.
also if a compromised strider can do it, Naturally a proper functioning strider can. I feel this added more