Do NOT use only tabletop view; explaining about deploying a knife or how to pull out from pocket needs a body view. Also, you can use front view like BladeHQ, it's more official.
you are one of my top 10 reviewers. a lot of knife guys just tell the usual context that I've heard a million times, but you go straight to the subject I'm looking for.
Agree on flippers completely! I don't currently own a single flipper!do own an Umnumzaan though ;) Surprised you didn't mention the other significant disadvantage of flipper knives: the damn flipper tab is in the way of getting the knife close to a surface you are cutting on. As always love your sensible, function based evaluation of knives. Patreon +1
Thumbstud/spydie hole is also more secure. Once I was opening my ZT 0562 and because of the weak grip you end up with right after opening a flipper knife, the momentum of the heavy blade and my own clumsiness, the knife flew out of my hand, I tried to catch it, I got cut and the knife fell on the ground. I ended up with 2 or 3 stitches, a scratched spine of the blade and some marks on the titanium and the clip (thankfully it didn't fall on the edge of the blade). I don't think this would ever happen with thumbstud/hole knife.
That socom elite tip down auto inside waistband is the best concealed carry knife option possible short of a cross draw fixed blade or waved karambit. Prove that wrong.
I totally agree with you. I prefer thumb studs or spydie holes over a flipper. Not only because of the ease and how quickly it deploys, but also because of the ergonomics and carry profile.
Personal preferences aside, we have to master each tool. You can't use the same grip and pull on every knife and have the same efficiency. To play devil's advocate... One could argue that you don't know how to use a flipper properly, or you haven't developed sufficient skill, which is why your draw is so awkward and slow. All I know is, no matter how much I play with my toys, I still have failed deployments and get bit. I just Love that we have so many flavors to choose from and plenty to talk about. Even if you can't afford them all, you can go to a local place and touch them or ogle others' candy on the internet. Thanks for the upload. Hope you enjoy the rest of this holiday season, and you and yours have a safe, happy, healthy, and fortuitous 2020.
I totally agree with this approach, I also like to be able to deploy my blade without making noise at times and with a flipper without extra b.s forget it.
I agree with everything you said, just recently I sold my xm-18 flipper and bought the new non flipper. This morning I was changing out the bearings for the bronze washers for a more controlled deployment and closing. Great video, also probably about to order a Zaan!
Finally someone is talking about something I've realized a while ago. The only knife I have that's even quicker is middle flicking the Dao, it's just flick, grab and rip. The handle is already in-line with the palm. Not my favorite knife though... With my thumb stud deployments, I still need to preposition the handle about a quarter turn. Fractions of a second but noticeable when used as tools. OTF's are great but get any sort of gunk or tape and it becomes a PIA.
I agree thumb studs, openings, or fullers allow you to deploy a knife quicker than a flipper. On knives that have multiple means of deployment, whenever I need to get the blade out quickly, I more naturally default to using my thumb to deploy the knife.
Maybe give those jeans the same low drag, efficient, tactikool assessment. One hand to deploy knife, two hands to return knife. My knife is a tool. My pants are a tool. I’m not a tool. Couldn’t see my self pulling out my knife while up on my staging cuz I gotta cut something that I might b holding, only to have no where to put my knife cuz I don’t have 2 hands to stretch my pocket out. 💩
Hi Nero, with the thumb stud you have the hands were you want them but the edge is facing towards you as if you were to do pull cutting. If a thumb stud is done bad, it often is in the way when cutting, especially with shorter blades. A hole is better in this regard but adds a lot of hight to the blade and/or leads to large unergonomic cutouts, grooves or bows in the handle. When opened with the middle finger, you just have to slide your hand in position instead of rotating the knife compared to operation with the thumb. Flippers, I do not like at all because of the flipper tap sticking out.
Happy New Year! I agree with your preference for thumbstuds/holes, but for me that's mainly about having the option of 'slow-rolling'. Still I do like a flippertab because it'll also act as a fingerguard. But since you seem pretty much focused on self-defense: What's your take on the Emerson Wave?
This is so interesting because I like to think I'm pretty up to date and in the now with the Knife world and every person I look up too who can actually hand sharpen like a boss or make their own knives, seems to prefer thumb deployment like me haha cooool!
I was curious bout all your ZT knives and what happened wit all them with the lock failure? Do you carry any of them. I wanted to buy one and my nephew owns a 0200. And it has lock failure. What can you recommend if you even would recommend one?
Give them a shot man. I hated them till i finally caved and put one on my knife. Haven't looked back since. They can really change the ergonomics of the deployment for the better on a lot of knives.
@@neroknives1828 Yeah I could see that in this video. It's like your fingers can't help but snag the lanyard and have instant purchase. BTW: I had the bevels of several knives reconfigured to have narrower secondaries and are now much thinner behind the edge... and you're right, I can't go back ;) As for suggestions, how about why blade stock thickness is important but overemphasized.
Hey, glad to see you back :) I actually timed myself with flippers vs normal deployment and I had faster deployment times with flippers (should have filmed it, might do that someday xD). But honestly I do not care that much, if I like the knife and the design, I`ll deal with whatever deployment method it has :D
For me and my hands, personally it's the opposite. More fumbling and shifting my hand with thumbstuds or especially a hole than a flipper, even more so if it's tip down. With a hole you can do the zip tie wave thing though, so that (or of course an actual wave knife) would be my choice for a self defense folder. Then again, I'd prefer a fixed blade anyway.
Do they make non flippers for all variants? I hate the way the flipper tab digs into my finger choil or not. I can never seem to find non flipper spantos.
Yea context has a way of pissing people off. I think it's due to the fact it actually forces you to take a step back and think, instead of talking everything at face value.
I dont really see much difference...you canmake the same amount of movements for both...or make it as complicated for both... As easy as it is to use a thumb stud or a hole and flick it open... there are some people who find it difficult... and tbf it does take a bit of getting acustomed to especially if its a new knife.... I prefer a thumb stud or hole over a flipper too... but more because of the aesthetics.... the flipper ruins the sleekness... and alsoit gets in the way....for example when chopping on a board you cant get as close to the board as the flipper tab is in the way.... To have a thumb stud/hole and a welll designed flipper tab that doesnt get in the way and blends into the aesthetics is ideal... but it doesnt happen nearly enough... like a Vero Synapse is perfectly done....
Nope can't carry automatic knives. And hollow points are legal but it's complicated just like everything when it comes to self protection in NJ. NJ you aren't allowed to carry anything for self defense. The only way you can carry a knife is if you say you use it to cut stuff at work or during the day. Horrible state don't recommend it.
This knife my dude, it can open all the ways! And has bearings. Also the point in the middle of the grind comes in handy sometimes. The Emerson wave feature was a great idea but his knives suck and I like how this knife takes it one step further with out having to pay for his patent. Probably one of the best self defense folders short of a dedicated karambit knife imo, cheers. www.knifecenter.com/item/VP5910FC/viper-knives-maga-folding-satin-n690co-recurved-blade-carbon-fiber-handle
Not in my experience. I can start deploying thumb studs the same time i start to deploy a flipper. I think you can get the blade open quicker on a flipper. But when it comes to deployment and being in useful grip. The thumb studs are quicker because of the less steps required to sabor grip.
@@neroknives1828 for me the flipper is faster . I still have to roll my grip with either means to get it in a secure position. Either way it's still one action and that split second I gain with the flipper on actually deploying my blade makes it faster for me. IT'S All a matter of minutiae but like you said we are kinda nerdy. Glad your back
I agree. While I prefer thumb studs 99% of the time, I’ve never owned a flipper that was slower to open than a thumb stud. Maybe if I had some bigger folders it would be a problem; but generally my finger is already touching the flipper tab( through my jeans) before the knife even leaves my pants and it’s just a matter of pushing down once it clears to open it.
If you guy's have video ideas please let me know down below. I have been out of the loop for a while now and can use some fresh ideas.
Just do table top reviews like most everyone else with your many months of "hard use" knives still with factory edges. :P
neroknives socom. A 2011 or older. Better geometry and have a bearing like a sebenza21.
Do NOT use only tabletop view; explaining about deploying a knife or how to pull out from pocket needs a body view. Also, you can use front view like BladeHQ, it's more official.
KUBEY Dugu KU210 tanto wave opener vs kershaw emerson and others.
Norton combo stones: JB8 vs IB8 vs Economy Crystolon vs Economy India. smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0068TTVN4
This has changed my mind on what I like. Thank you
you are one of my top 10 reviewers. a lot of knife guys just tell the usual context that I've heard a million times, but you go straight to the subject I'm looking for.
Same, but aesthetically, I prefer using cutouts/fullers to kick out and bam, ready to use.
I don’t mind the lack of content...it just makes it that much better when we get a video. Great topic! Hope you had a great Christmas as well.
Agree on flippers completely! I don't currently own a single flipper!do own an Umnumzaan though ;)
Surprised you didn't mention the other significant disadvantage of flipper knives: the damn flipper tab is in the way of getting the knife close to a surface you are cutting on.
As always love your sensible, function based evaluation of knives. Patreon +1
Thumbstud/spydie hole is also more secure. Once I was opening my ZT 0562 and because of the weak grip you end up with right after opening a flipper knife, the momentum of the heavy blade and my own clumsiness, the knife flew out of my hand, I tried to catch it, I got cut and the knife fell on the ground. I ended up with 2 or 3 stitches, a scratched spine of the blade and some marks on the titanium and the clip (thankfully it didn't fall on the edge of the blade). I don't think this would ever happen with thumbstud/hole knife.
That socom elite tip down auto inside waistband is the best concealed carry knife option possible short of a cross draw fixed blade or waved karambit. Prove that wrong.
Another good one, thanks.
Good to see you again ! Dont mind flippers , but most of my knives have thumstuds /deployment hole. Great video !
I totally agree with you. I prefer thumb studs or spydie holes over a flipper.
Not only because of the ease and how quickly it deploys, but also because of the ergonomics and carry profile.
I am in the same boat, thumbstud guy here all the way. Happy New Year!
Glad to see you back up.
Dude! Fuck yeah excited to have you back!
Personal preferences aside, we have to master each tool.
You can't use the same grip and pull on every knife and have the same efficiency.
To play devil's advocate...
One could argue that you don't know how to use a flipper properly, or you haven't developed sufficient skill, which is why your draw is so awkward and slow.
All I know is, no matter how much I play with my toys, I still have failed deployments and get bit.
I just Love that we have so many flavors to choose from and plenty to talk about.
Even if you can't afford them all, you can go to a local place and touch them or ogle others' candy on the internet.
Thanks for the upload.
Hope you enjoy the rest of this holiday season, and you and yours have a safe, happy, healthy, and fortuitous 2020.
I totally agree with this approach, I also like to be able to deploy my blade without making noise at times and with a flipper without extra b.s forget it.
I agree with everything you said, just recently I sold my xm-18 flipper and bought the new non flipper. This morning I was changing out the bearings for the bronze washers for a more controlled deployment and closing. Great video, also probably about to order a Zaan!
Finally someone is talking about something I've realized a while ago. The only knife I have that's even quicker is middle flicking the Dao, it's just flick, grab and rip. The handle is already in-line with the palm. Not my favorite knife though... With my thumb stud deployments, I still need to preposition the handle about a quarter turn. Fractions of a second but noticeable when used as tools. OTF's are great but get any sort of gunk or tape and it becomes a PIA.
I agree thumb studs, openings, or fullers allow you to deploy a knife quicker than a flipper. On knives that have multiple means of deployment, whenever I need to get the blade out quickly, I more naturally default to using my thumb to deploy the knife.
Maybe give those jeans the same low drag, efficient, tactikool assessment. One hand to deploy knife, two hands to return knife. My knife is a tool. My pants are a tool. I’m not a tool. Couldn’t see my self pulling out my knife while up on my staging cuz I gotta cut something that I might b holding, only to have no where to put my knife cuz I don’t have 2 hands to stretch my pocket out. 💩
Vid idea?
What's your typical EDC?
I'm usually with
2 random knives (right front/back)
olight m2r warrior (left pocket)
parker jotter (clipped to my shirt)
benchmade 1100 (also clipped)
benchmade 178SBK (under shirt)
kizer titanium whistle (on keys)
olight ir1 (on keys)
leatherman tread (right wrist)
samsung gear s3 (left wrist)
no gun
Hi Nero,
with the thumb stud you have the hands were you want them but the edge is facing towards you as if you were to do pull cutting.
If a thumb stud is done bad, it often is in the way when cutting, especially with shorter blades.
A hole is better in this regard but adds a lot of hight to the blade and/or leads to large unergonomic cutouts, grooves or bows in the handle.
When opened with the middle finger, you just have to slide your hand in position instead of rotating the knife compared to operation with the thumb.
Flippers, I do not like at all because of the flipper tap sticking out.
Happy New Year!
I agree with your preference for thumbstuds/holes, but for me that's mainly about having the option of 'slow-rolling'. Still I do like a flippertab because it'll also act as a fingerguard. But since you seem pretty much focused on self-defense: What's your take on the Emerson Wave?
Nice to see you again. Thanks for the video Nero. Been a kool minute. Stay up, Peeaace!
This is so interesting because I like to think I'm pretty up to date and in the now with the Knife world and every person I look up too who can actually hand sharpen like a boss or make their own knives, seems to prefer thumb deployment like me haha cooool!
Are u left handed? Or is ur camera doing something?
glad to have you back after a break. Nice vid.
Have a Happy New Year. :)
I was curious bout all your ZT knives and what happened wit all them with the lock failure? Do you carry any of them. I wanted to buy one and my nephew owns a 0200. And it has lock failure. What can you recommend if you even would recommend one?
I've always been a thumb-flicker too. This made me want to consider using a lanyard.
Give them a shot man. I hated them till i finally caved and put one on my knife. Haven't looked back since.
They can really change the ergonomics of the deployment for the better on a lot of knives.
@@neroknives1828 Yeah I could see that in this video. It's like your fingers can't help but snag the lanyard and have instant purchase. BTW: I had the bevels of several knives reconfigured to have narrower secondaries and are now much thinner behind the edge... and you're right, I can't go back ;) As for suggestions, how about why blade stock thickness is important but overemphasized.
Hey, glad to see you back :) I actually timed myself with flippers vs normal deployment and I had faster deployment times with flippers (should have filmed it, might do that someday xD). But honestly I do not care that much, if I like the knife and the design, I`ll deal with whatever deployment method it has :D
How has CRK’s new, harder s35 been working for you? I have been very disappointed with their old s35 but all mine are from pre 2013.
For me and my hands, personally it's the opposite. More fumbling and shifting my hand with thumbstuds or especially a hole than a flipper, even more so if it's tip down. With a hole you can do the zip tie wave thing though, so that (or of course an actual wave knife) would be my choice for a self defense folder. Then again, I'd prefer a fixed blade anyway.
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Nice OTF, did miss the name? What is it?
I agree, only flippers I own are XM18s. Even then non flipper FTW.
Do they make non flippers for all variants? I hate the way the flipper tab digs into my finger choil or not. I can never seem to find non flipper spantos.
A beer pong setup in the background? I too am a man of culture.
@neroknives in which state do you want to move?
Not a big flipper fan - though I do have some. They seems to target the fidget factor/mall ninja types. Thumb stubs all the way.
“Context is important”. 10000000%
I just told the guys the one word I’d love to see die in 2020 is “best”. Said all the time. Rarely with any context.
Yea context has a way of pissing people off. I think it's due to the fact it actually forces you to take a step back and think, instead of talking everything at face value.
neroknives 💯 you hit the nail on the head.
I moved away from flippers long ago, I think they are more of a novelty item and/or fidget factor.
i personally prefer 2 swords like deadpool 👍👍
I personally prefer one rifle like cable
I dont really see much difference...you canmake the same amount of movements for both...or make it as complicated for both... As easy as it is to use a thumb stud or a hole and flick it open... there are some people who find it difficult... and tbf it does take a bit of getting acustomed to especially if its a new knife.... I prefer a thumb stud or hole over a flipper too... but more because of the aesthetics.... the flipper ruins the sleekness... and alsoit gets in the way....for example when chopping on a board you cant get as close to the board as the flipper tab is in the way.... To have a thumb stud/hole and a welll designed flipper tab that doesnt get in the way and blends into the aesthetics is ideal... but it doesnt happen nearly enough... like a Vero Synapse is perfectly done....
but with a lanyard, you have to scoot forwards, which you said you hate...
I'm all about thumb studs/holes..
nice vid thanks a lot
So in NJ you can have auto knives but not hollow point bullets?
Nope can't carry automatic knives. And hollow points are legal but it's complicated just like everything when it comes to self protection in NJ.
NJ you aren't allowed to carry anything for self defense. The only way you can carry a knife is if you say you use it to cut stuff at work or during the day. Horrible state don't recommend it.
start doing videos again!
I'm from NJ too. Looks like someones been playin beer pong....red solo cups and ping pong ball on the floor.
Haha should be a detective. I've definitely been enjoying the holidays.
Cmon just 2 hand it like Greg medford says! When its defensive I would personally use 2 hands
For defensive purposes can you do any better on a folder than a wave opener?
This knife my dude, it can open all the ways! And has bearings. Also the point in the middle of the grind comes in handy sometimes. The Emerson wave feature was a great idea but his knives suck and I like how this knife takes it one step further with out having to pay for his patent. Probably one of the best self defense folders short of a dedicated karambit knife imo, cheers. www.knifecenter.com/item/VP5910FC/viper-knives-maga-folding-satin-n690co-recurved-blade-carbon-fiber-handle
Flippers are faster. You can deploy the knife as soon as the handle clears the pocket .
Not in my experience. I can start deploying thumb studs the same time i start to deploy a flipper. I think you can get the blade open quicker on a flipper. But when it comes to deployment and being in useful grip. The thumb studs are quicker because of the less steps required to sabor grip.
@@neroknives1828 for me the flipper is faster . I still have to roll my grip with either means to get it in a secure position. Either way it's still one action and that split second I gain with the flipper on actually deploying my blade makes it faster for me. IT'S All a matter of minutiae but like you said we are kinda nerdy. Glad your back
I agree. While I prefer thumb studs 99% of the time, I’ve never owned a flipper that was slower to open than a thumb stud. Maybe if I had some bigger folders it would be a problem; but generally my finger is already touching the flipper tab( through my jeans) before the knife even leaves my pants and it’s just a matter of pushing down once it clears to open it.
I don't like guillotine-like knife actions. I think they are dangerous and stupid.
SPEAK ON SERRATIONS...
Great suggestion, and why they're so reviled in the folding knife community --
I detest flippers.
Is scooch a word ? JK