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Looking forward to attending my first Divine Liturgy tomorrow to celebrate St John the Baptist. God Bless you for your work. You’ve been a huge part finding my way to the Greek Orthodox Church where I’m a catechumen. 😊✝️🇬🇷
Oh my goodness, he just blew my mind with the Ax head And how it’s related to the body being washed away and the head being preserved. St John was beheaded!
I was born on August 29th, the Feast of John the Baptist. Cheers from your biggest fan in Northern Mexico, Jonathan. I love your content; you are one of the most original thinkers of our time. Your ideas are refreshingly original-at least to me. Thanks for the content on this channel
In the case of saint John the Baptist isnt it more fitting to speak of losing his body? As he actually keeps his head by speaking the unwanted truth to the king. So his body is cut off- -his capacity to influence the world, and the the head staying true to its purpose is lifted. It is quite beautiful that when you have the improper purpose on the top of your hierarchy/body then it is the head that is to be cut off and body needs to be discarted and crumble and be gathered and ruled by a new purpose/head. And the old head need to be put in a different body through which it can act down on the world more properly. As i followed this thread, it now makes SO MUCH sense why Christ the ultimate Messiah doesnt get a bone broken or head or limb cut off but is preserved whole until the very end. It is also very intuitive that God Who is the ultimate union of all persons and things also manifests as a Person Who Is whole in everything including His body. As Jonathan says He brings together the two aspects of transformation - being killed and humiliated to the very bottom (leveled) and in the same act being lifted up above everything in glory. Destroyed and gathered at once... Beautiful video, thank God for Jonathan!
The tree is specifically the temple system, the "axis" connecting heaven and earth. Thats why jesus curses the fig tree before clearing the temple and calls himself the "vine."
The cutting of the tree also has direct symbolism to the end of Isaiah 6. As the holy seed is described as the trees stump. Symbolising new beginnings and transformation through the purifying process.
It indeed sounds like that sometimes in Jonathans way of speech. But it is beautiful how the title of foreigner is also very fitting, as he is the one standing on the outside in the wild and criticizing the center. A foreign voice from the middle of nowhere of desert.
There seems to be another aspect to St. John, which is related to pointing toward God: "Ecce Agnus Dei." Elijah is traditionally seen as the model for contemplative life, and his name means something like "The Lord is God." The Carmelite tradition, which claims an Elianic foundation, also reflects this double aspect: purification of the heart and contemplation. I still struggle to see it symbolically, though.
By the way, I already got Jack in the fall and Giants. It’s beautiful. Now I just have to be able to read it to somebody because it really should be ready to somebody and all my grandkids are older but I love it.
I've always been perplexed by why St John the Baptist is depicted with wings. Is that meant to symbolise that he had gone up/lifted up to heaven through his death, like Enoch and Elijah?
Most Eastern Orthodox icons showing St. John the Baptist with wings belong to “The Angel of the Desert” iconography. This depiction is based on the Old Testament prophecy that heralded the coming of an angel (a messenger) who would prepare the way before Christ by preaching the doctrine of repentance. According to belief, the last great prophet before Jesus Christ came to earth was St. John the Baptist, so Orthodox icons depicting him with wings present the prophet as a divine messenger or an angel who has brought good news to the world. However, if this is the case, Orthodox Christian icons of saints should depict other prophets who are considered divine messengers with wings too. But they don’t. There is one more explanation of the Orthodox icons showing St. John the Baptist with wings, and it lies in the Gospels. According to them, St. John’s life in the desert was “angelic.” It was full of chastity, abstinence, and prayer. He disregarded all material needs, proclaiming the coming of Jesus Christ, which made him a herald of God, just like the angels. Thus, St. John the Baptist’s “angelic” life in the desert and the message he brought to the world give a clear explanation why so many Eastern Orthodox icons show him with wings. Plus, this also explains the fact why this prophet is considered the patron saint of hermits.
18:34 My fellow software engineers would understand this as Liskov's Substitution Principle-one of the five principles of object-oriented program design.
I like the idea, but I'm not sure if I can get used to the cathedral reverb in this context. It seems out of place when someone is in a small room. Open to a different perspective if anyone has one though
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The Greek “akris” refers to the insect. My guess is someone was unaware of the exception made for locusts to the dietary prohibition on insects in Leviticus 11:21-22
@@jeremycancelo9113 except his title is "Forerunner" rather than Baptist in the Orthodox Church. Not every title in English and the West is universal.
What does “baptism” mean? It means immerse. Cool job. Very easy! Awesome comment. His whole role was to submerge people in water.. no more, no less. Just dipping people into water..
Baptism might not be in the OT, but it was definitely already anything among some Jews. The mystical and ascetical essene tradition already had baptism, and John the baptist was probably from that tradition.
Hey Jonathan, love the video. But there seems to be a reverb on your voice that distracts somewhat from what you're saying. I don't know if it's a choice, but I'd suggest to go for a more subtle room or hall reverb and a bit less of it if you want a more "open" sound. 5 cents and all, thank you for the video!
Someone tell me if I’m understanding this correctly: Elijah comes before the Messiah in the same way that the cup comes before the containment of water. Am I way off in this analogy?
Creation was born from water, humans are born from water, but it seems “Son’s of God” are born of water and spirit? To remove the head, break the idols nose, is iconography. Movement, face, water and voice, generates light, being one of the fundamental components/building blocks of all that is…Blessings in the new year to you and yours, Jonathan!
Your point about Elijah coming back and being John the baltist has deep implications when we think of Christ resurrecting or the second coming. Definitely something to ruminate on.
If theological discussion was on or at this level in general I think I'd be more interested in church and congregation. Sadly its dumbed down by the time it gets to most churches that it may as well be half hour long platitude sessions and small talk.
Hi Jonathan. Could you explain Why the body of Moses is Believed to have been brought to heaven? I heard you say it in the Gospel series with JP but you didnt have the chance to explain yourself there
Its polarities! Feminine and masculine on the top and the bottom! God revealed that the polarity has switched! You're right about the dance too! Its harmonic vibrational alignment and when you find it with the right person and God's in the equation- it becomes heaven on Earth. You're also right about archetypes and stories! Every soul is seeking their cosmic story and the further you lead away from God- the more stories you're interfering with, and if you're not in line with God, you're adding to the chaos! Now the polarity has shifted and everything is going to seem a little bit easier!
"A tower and a tree are the same in terms of their manifestation." Haha my two year old grandson called the cross standing on top of my bookshelf a "tower". He gets it, or just has a limited vocabulary.
But John is also a warning. Sometimes (even though rarely) the warning is of things that are good. Jonah was a warning to Nineveh but John was the warning of the approaching King.
the baptism is also linkined to the birth/rebirth... and the cleaning of the "process" of birth, as the first wellcoming into the world almost every culture cleanse babies just after birth.
Elijah went up to heaven but St John went down to the pit. How are they the same? I have trouble understanding Elijah too, when he leaves his mantle is he leaving his body? He certainly leaves his spirit with Elisha. I suppose Elisha becomes his new body and him having his mantle is a symbol of that.
I've been paying attention to Pageau for a while now. Still not sure what to make of him. This symbolism practice seems to be a game of association. One sees a story element and talks about related ideas. It seems improvised. And his insistence that the stories are real in a sense or reflect the truth of reality -- seems fine, but it's a vague truth.
Is it false (or even heresy haha) to say that Christ is a head of the Church, which is his body, and that Body is now beheaded and we are waiting for Christ as a Head to be reunited with the body? Just brainstorming this idea...
But Christ body was "perfectly" preserved, there was no beheading or cutting off any sort bodily parts, St Athanasius talks about it in the On the Incarnation
I was raised Roman Catholic and I still am. We are filled with symbolism in the Roman Catholic Church. We don’t take everything literally at all. What you’re saying is some thing I learned from a long time ago when I was a kid the only literal thing we taking the Bible is when Jesus said this is my body. This is my blood and eat my flesh. That’s a literal part, but most of what we learned is symbolic of just the way it is.
St John didn’t stop short of destroying even himself to make way for Christ. He went to prison and then died. If he hadn’t, he’d have drawn attention to himself away from Christ. “I must diminish that he may increase “ If we think of attention as a resource, we see that it’s the same situation as Jacob and Esau; the land didn’t have enough resources for both so Esau had to leave. Interestingly, Esau was also noted to wear animal skin. It’s kind of like a macrocosmic circumcision.
Christ taught his disciples of the lambs and Our Heavenly Father said everyone put the apples back in the basket of rebellious angels he called false gods in his commandments including the ones alienated in high places 👾🛸🍎of alienated angels aka ufo aka AI aka ET and the many measures they took to cover it up .
John the baptist said himself that he wasn't Elijah... because Elijah, the messiah and The Prophet (like moses) are the same person... that's the signification of the transfiguration... (the prophet like) Moses and Elijah are with Jesus... then come a cloud and the voice saying this is my son etc... and then there's only Jesus; that was the trap in the pharisee's questions... but some jews believed otherwise and believed like the jews of today that elijah would come back before the messiah... that's why Jesus said that after the transfiguration: that "in as sense" "for those who have intelligence" "it can be considered that St-John WAS elijah..." in the sense as you describe of the Symbolism of Elijah... because Elijah history is a prefiguration of the messiah himself... and a prophecy of the destruction of the follower of baal... and the exile from the kingdom of the Jews... which all happen by Jesus time.. the Jews who rejected him where cast into exil not geobraphically but spiritually... they are cut off, they don't have anymore temple, valid priest and rites... no way of sacrifice for forgiveness and the Talmud confirm that for 40 years before the destruction of the temple... since Jesus crucifixion... the temple annual sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins of the nation of israel was never accepted by God... that what led to all the turmoil of the Jews and caused the destrcution of the temple and the false messiahs. but John the baptist wasn't Litterally the reincarnation of Elijah... in a sense... Elijah came back from heaven on earth... before Christ... at the Transfiguration... and so did Moses. because let's be clear... the apostle didn't saw John the baptist (which they knew the appearance) along Moses (which they didn't knew the appearance, enither did they knew Elijah)
it'S not part of the Creed that Elijah was John the baptist.... it's a complicated topic for the reason I just mentionned. you cannot conciliate the Gospel of John and are pitching gospel against each others... what's I've wrote is the only way that make both being truthful, because it's the truth... John the Baptist wasn't the Elijah, but you can say that he was in a sense. BTW there's the same issue about the consciliation of the temptation of Jesus and the gospel of John. let point out that among the 4 gospel... only John was an eye witness of the Baptism of our Lord, only him was a disciple of John the baptist (among the 4 evangelists) so where was Jesus the 6th day after his baptism? in the desert? or at the Cana's wedding? you can't make sense of those two if you follow the route you are following. same if you claim that Jesus Knew that he was God before his baptism; all those position imply that some are not telling the truth or deceiving... if jesus would knew he was God... the question would be then...since when? since birth?... therefore it give credit to the heretic gnostic gospel of the infancy of Jesus... since his bar mitzvah in the temple at 12 years old? then it would make the bar mitzvah a necessary sacrament! no he knew he was the messiah at the instant of his baptism... at which the only spirit brought him in the desert were he stayed for 40 days and night... (well that's what appeared to him) as his human nature was tempted by the devil after the realisation of who he is... that give the reason of the temptation aswell... but those 40 days happened at the instant of his baptise... and when he rose out of the water... he and John ONLY saw the light and the holy spirit coming down on Jesus as a dove, and heard the Voice in heaven... NO one else saw it... not any disciple of John, no one that was there to get baptised... that's why no ones followed Jesus after that... and John needed to tell his disciple John and Andrew to follow him now... which bring to the point that John the Baptist DIDN'T knew that Jesus was the Messiah before his baptism... because John Gospel said so... and matthew's gospel got an error at saying that John the Baptist asked to be baptised before baptising Jesus... because... Matthew wasn't there... and we have apocriph that place that even after the baptism of Jesus... it was kept in the gospel by the Holy Spirit... as a proof against Sola Fides and the tendency of some christians to believe that the bible is perfect and 100% exact without any errors.
This remind me of this: Debout, les damnés de la terre Debout, les forçats de la faim La raison tonne en son cratère C'est l'éruption de la fin Du passé faisons table rase Foule esclave, debout, debout Le monde va changer de base Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout Refrain : 𝄆 C'est la lutte finale Groupons-nous, et demain L'Internationale Sera le genre humain. 𝄇
There isn't baptism proper in the Old Testament record, but obviously it was not new to the Jews -- if so, the talk about John would have included the "outrageous" practice of baptizing people in the river -- because even the scribes and Pharisees didn't question it. Baptism isn't in the Old Testament because it had been removed several hundred years earlier by those seeking to take out references direct or indirect to Christ. Yet, it was commonly accepted among the Jews of the time.
The process of rewiring the brain by the word through adult neurogenesis in the elect (repentance), starts with the destruction of established worldly neurons (death), and ends with the creation of new neurons for Godly thinking (rebirth). (Romans 12:2)(Galatians 3:5)(Proverbs 4:20-23)(Psalm 1:2-3) neurons are trees
Yeah Jonathan, the implications of what you are saying is that Christ did not resurrect in the way that has been traditionally understood. I have to say it that way, because you have a symbolic answer to any other traditional phrase. "He resurrected Jonathan." " Well yes he did in some sense...BUUTT...." No Jonathan, that is not God speaking to you. That is Peterson's "Lucifarian intellect." You lead souls to a dangerous path. Repent.
Well, St John the Baptist was the Priest and Jesus was the King. This is the belief of the Essenes, which is descended from the kingly rites of the Old Kingdom of Egypt.
Baptized in Santa’s presents. vs. Baptized in Santa’s presence. (This is no tower..once you understand the world is round.) I’m sorry, but “trans-understanding” is just simple belief. (Remember: The book is a collection of observations and reflections..it’s not a script.) Nobody wants to be Jiminy Cricket. … Nice razor you got there William.👍
By the way, I already got Jack in the fall and Giants. It’s beautiful. Now I just have to be able to read it to somebody because it really should be ready to somebody and all my grandkids are older but I love it.
I was raised Roman Catholic and I still am. We are filled with symbolism in the Roman Catholic Church. We don’t take everything literally at all. What you’re saying is some thing I learned from a long time ago when I was a kid the only literal thing we taking the Bible is when Jesus said this is my body. This is my blood and eat my flesh. That’s a literal part, but most of what we learned is symbolic of just the way it is.
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Looking forward to attending my first Divine Liturgy tomorrow to celebrate St John the Baptist. God Bless you for your work. You’ve been a huge part finding my way to the Greek Orthodox Church where I’m a catechumen. 😊✝️🇬🇷
Thank You! Jonathan! Why don’t you have like 5 million subscribers?! Your material is amazing 🤩
Oh my goodness, he just blew my mind with the Ax head And how it’s related to the body being washed away and the head being preserved.
St John was beheaded!
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I was born on August 29th, the Feast of John the Baptist. Cheers from your biggest fan in Northern Mexico, Jonathan. I love your content; you are one of the most original thinkers of our time. Your ideas are refreshingly original-at least to me. Thanks for the content on this channel
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Happy namesday Jonathan.
In the case of saint John the Baptist isnt it more fitting to speak of losing his body? As he actually keeps his head by speaking the unwanted truth to the king. So his body is cut off- -his capacity to influence the world, and the the head staying true to its purpose is lifted.
It is quite beautiful that when you have the improper purpose on the top of your hierarchy/body then it is the head that is to be cut off and body needs to be discarted and crumble and be gathered and ruled by a new purpose/head. And the old head need to be put in a different body through which it can act down on the world more properly.
As i followed this thread, it now makes SO MUCH sense why Christ the ultimate Messiah doesnt get a bone broken or head or limb cut off but is preserved whole until the very end. It is also very intuitive that God Who is the ultimate union of all persons and things also manifests as a Person Who Is whole in everything including His body.
As Jonathan says He brings together the two aspects of transformation - being killed and humiliated to the very bottom (leveled) and in the same act being lifted up above everything in glory. Destroyed and gathered at once...
Beautiful video, thank God for Jonathan!
Thank you
Thank you so much clarification
The tree is specifically the temple system, the "axis" connecting heaven and earth. Thats why jesus curses the fig tree before clearing the temple and calls himself the "vine."
The cutting of the tree also has direct symbolism to the end of Isaiah 6. As the holy seed is described as the trees stump. Symbolising new beginnings and transformation through the purifying process.
I thought you said John the Foreigner at first. John the Forerunner. Yes 👍
It indeed sounds like that sometimes in Jonathans way of speech. But it is beautiful how the title of foreigner is also very fitting, as he is the one standing on the outside in the wild and criticizing the center. A foreign voice from the middle of nowhere of desert.
I love John the Baptist
There seems to be another aspect to St. John, which is related to pointing toward God: "Ecce Agnus Dei." Elijah is traditionally seen as the model for contemplative life, and his name means something like "The Lord is God." The Carmelite tradition, which claims an Elianic foundation, also reflects this double aspect: purification of the heart and contemplation. I still struggle to see it symbolically, though.
By the way, I already got Jack in the fall and Giants. It’s beautiful. Now I just have to be able to read it to somebody because it really should be ready to somebody and all my grandkids are older but I love it.
I'm going to read it to my dog
Thanks bro 🙏
Please consider exposition on The Ring Cycle.
I've always been perplexed by why St John the Baptist is depicted with wings. Is that meant to symbolise that he had gone up/lifted up to heaven through his death, like Enoch and Elijah?
Most Eastern Orthodox icons showing St. John the Baptist with wings belong to “The Angel of the Desert” iconography. This depiction is based on the Old Testament prophecy that heralded the coming of an angel (a messenger) who would prepare the way before Christ by preaching the doctrine of repentance. According to belief, the last great prophet before Jesus Christ came to earth was St. John the Baptist, so Orthodox icons depicting him with wings present the prophet as a divine messenger or an angel who has brought good news to the world. However, if this is the case, Orthodox Christian icons of saints should depict other prophets who are considered divine messengers with wings too. But they don’t.
There is one more explanation of the Orthodox icons showing St. John the Baptist with wings, and it lies in the Gospels. According to them, St. John’s life in the desert was “angelic.” It was full of chastity, abstinence, and prayer. He disregarded all material needs, proclaiming the coming of Jesus Christ, which made him a herald of God, just like the angels. Thus, St. John the Baptist’s “angelic” life in the desert and the message he brought to the world give a clear explanation why so many Eastern Orthodox icons show him with wings. Plus, this also explains the fact why this prophet is considered the patron saint of hermits.
@GMGMGMGMGMGMGMGMGMGM Thanks for that. Makes alot more sense now.
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13:00 just thinking about how they leveled California to make way for new buildings
18:34 My fellow software engineers would understand this as Liskov's Substitution Principle-one of the five principles of object-oriented program design.
I like the idea, but I'm not sure if I can get used to the cathedral reverb in this context. It seems out of place when someone is in a small room. Open to a different perspective if anyone has one though
Hello Jonathan, I ordered a book on your website a month ago and I still didn't receive it! Many attempts to contact through email and contact form. 0 replies! Where is my order?
I preordered Jack but still haven't received it. When are they shipping?
Clicked on this thinking it was from years ago, pleasant surprise!!!
Wish youtube would just send me accurate notifications.
I have heard several times he ate locusts as in the plant. Has anyone heard definitively if it was the insect or a plant? Do we know?
The Greek “akris” refers to the insect. My guess is someone was unaware of the exception made for locusts to the dietary prohibition on insects in Leviticus 11:21-22
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First few seconds sounded like “St John the Foreigner”. I was like wait, what?
I think it’s quite clear Jonathan. His role was baptising.
That was legitimately my initial response too
Nah he was the forerunner. He made the way letting people know jesus was comin'!!!!
@@jeremycancelo9113 except his title is "Forerunner" rather than Baptist in the Orthodox Church. Not every title in English and the West is universal.
@bradleyheissmann4538 I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. I was commenting on the first thing he said.
What does “baptism” mean? It means immerse. Cool job. Very easy! Awesome comment. His whole role was to submerge people in water.. no more, no less. Just dipping people into water..
I am surprised that the word "apophatic" wasn't used once in this video.
Also:
"A bell is a cup until it is struck" 😉
Baptism might not be in the OT, but it was definitely already anything among some Jews. The mystical and ascetical essene tradition already had baptism, and John the baptist was probably from that tradition.
Certainly not.
@tudorstancut9332 Certainly not what? Baptism was absolutely a tradition of the essene Jews. Hence John the baptist was baptising people.
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It was! It was called mitzvah. Everything in Christian comes from the Jewish interpretation. Messiah is a practicing Jew.
How will Protestant answer to this man made tradition being affirmed by Jesus? I thought Jesus only referred to the practices from the Old Testament
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Hey Jonathan, love the video. But there seems to be a reverb on your voice that distracts somewhat from what you're saying. I don't know if it's a choice, but I'd suggest to go for a more subtle room or hall reverb and a bit less of it if you want a more "open" sound. 5 cents and all, thank you for the video!
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Someone tell me if I’m understanding this correctly:
Elijah comes before the Messiah in the same way that the cup comes before the containment of water.
Am I way off in this analogy?
no way im this early, hey jon!
Creation was born from water, humans are born from water, but it seems “Son’s of God” are born of water and spirit? To remove the head, break the idols nose, is iconography. Movement, face, water and voice, generates light, being one of the fundamental components/building blocks of all that is…Blessings in the new year to you and yours, Jonathan!
Your point about Elijah coming back and being John the baltist has deep implications when we think of Christ resurrecting or the second coming. Definitely something to ruminate on.
Remember when the disciples in Emmaus did not recognize Jesus? That’s it. we will have new bodies!
If theological discussion was on or at this level in general I think I'd be more interested in church and congregation. Sadly its dumbed down by the time it gets to most churches that it may as well be half hour long platitude sessions and small talk.
Hi Jonathan. Could you explain Why the body of Moses is Believed to have been brought to heaven? I heard you say it in the Gospel series with JP but you didnt have the chance to explain yourself there
Im I the only one that hears the echo in his sound ? I dont know if its intentional but it seems more like some audio problem please fix !
Is this live? Can you hear me?
Its polarities! Feminine and masculine on the top and the bottom! God revealed that the polarity has switched! You're right about the dance too! Its harmonic vibrational alignment and when you find it with the right person and God's in the equation- it becomes heaven on Earth. You're also right about archetypes and stories! Every soul is seeking their cosmic story and the further you lead away from God- the more stories you're interfering with, and if you're not in line with God, you're adding to the chaos! Now the polarity has shifted and everything is going to seem a little bit easier!
Early gang!
"A tower and a tree are the same in terms of their manifestation."
Haha my two year old grandson called the cross standing on top of my bookshelf a "tower". He gets it, or just has a limited vocabulary.
Can you discuss the symbolism of showing ads while talking about scripture
I think he ate locust tree fruit not grasshoppers but you could be wright it’s all good to me. Happy Christs Birthday ❤
Hi Jono.
Please do a talk about the symbolism of Wes and Billy. 🕯
It always sounds to me like he’s saying, “John the Foreigner” when he says “forerunner” 😂
But John is also a warning. Sometimes (even though rarely) the warning is of things that are good. Jonah was a warning to Nineveh but John was the warning of the approaching King.
you probably shouldn’t read the book Magnetic Aura if you’re cool with missing out on how attraction really works.
The Water Bearer, Aquarius.
the baptism is also linkined to the birth/rebirth... and the cleaning of the "process" of birth, as the first wellcoming into the world
almost every culture cleanse babies just after birth.
I understand John the Baptist may be a special case but I thought Jonathan has said that we *don’t* “die and go to heaven”.
Elijah went up to heaven but St John went down to the pit. How are they the same?
I have trouble understanding Elijah too, when he leaves his mantle is he leaving his body? He certainly leaves his spirit with Elisha.
I suppose Elisha becomes his new body and him having his mantle is a symbol of that.
I see, his beheading is his ascension..
A little inconvenient that we have 3 feasts in the Orthodox Church regarding the finding of his head.
Thanks for this. The fake reverb is distracting
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The role of John the Baptist was preparing/making Straight the Way of the LORD in the minds of HIS people, Israel.
Καλή Φώτιση, Ιωνάθαν,(αν και δεν το πολυβλέπω γενικότερα).
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The Allegory and the metaphor; language to understand realities; one is a stained glass cathedral the other its door.
He was Jesus's cousin. He baptised Jesus.
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I've been paying attention to Pageau for a while now.
Still not sure what to make of him.
This symbolism practice seems to be a game of association. One sees a story element and talks about related ideas. It seems improvised.
And his insistence that the stories are real in a sense or reflect the truth of reality -- seems fine, but it's a vague truth.
So Dawkins is actually unconsciously repeating this archetype.
Is it false (or even heresy haha) to say that Christ is a head of the Church, which is his body, and that Body is now beheaded and we are waiting for Christ as a Head to be reunited with the body?
Just brainstorming this idea...
But Christ body was "perfectly" preserved, there was no beheading or cutting off any sort bodily parts, St Athanasius talks about it in the On the Incarnation
I was raised Roman Catholic and I still am. We are filled with symbolism in the Roman Catholic Church. We don’t take everything literally at all. What you’re saying is some thing I learned from a long time ago when I was a kid the only literal thing we taking the Bible is when Jesus said this is my body. This is my blood and eat my flesh. That’s a literal part, but most of what we learned is symbolic of just the way it is.
I'm Roman Catholic, and your comment is embarrassing.
if you’re not ready for real change, skip the book Magnetic Aura by Takeshi Mizuki, it’s too much for most people.
WHAT IF SOMEONE DEALING IN WATER SHOWED UP ON THE MOST ISOLATED LAND MASS IN THE WORLD?!?
WHO WOULD LISTEN?!?
St John didn’t stop short of destroying even himself to make way for Christ. He went to prison and then died. If he hadn’t, he’d have drawn attention to himself away from Christ.
“I must diminish that he may increase “
If we think of attention as a resource, we see that it’s the same situation as Jacob and Esau; the land didn’t have enough resources for both so Esau had to leave. Interestingly, Esau was also noted to wear animal skin.
It’s kind of like a macrocosmic circumcision.
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Christ taught his disciples of the lambs and Our Heavenly Father said everyone put the apples back in the basket of rebellious angels he called false gods in his commandments including the ones alienated in high places 👾🛸🍎of alienated angels aka ufo aka AI aka ET and the many measures they took to cover it up .
John the baptist said himself that he wasn't Elijah...
because Elijah, the messiah and The Prophet (like moses) are the same person...
that's the signification of the transfiguration... (the prophet like) Moses and Elijah are with Jesus...
then come a cloud and the voice saying this is my son etc...
and then there's only Jesus;
that was the trap in the pharisee's questions...
but some jews believed otherwise and believed like the jews of today that elijah would come back before the messiah...
that's why Jesus said that after the transfiguration:
that "in as sense" "for those who have intelligence" "it can be considered that St-John WAS elijah..."
in the sense as you describe of the Symbolism of Elijah...
because Elijah history is a prefiguration of the messiah himself... and a prophecy of the destruction of the follower of baal...
and the exile from the kingdom of the Jews...
which all happen by Jesus time.. the Jews who rejected him where cast into exil not geobraphically but spiritually...
they are cut off, they don't have anymore temple, valid priest and rites...
no way of sacrifice for forgiveness
and the Talmud confirm that for 40 years before the destruction of the temple...
since Jesus crucifixion...
the temple annual sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins of the nation of israel was never accepted by God...
that what led to all the turmoil of the Jews and caused the destrcution of the temple and the false messiahs.
but John the baptist wasn't Litterally the reincarnation of Elijah...
in a sense... Elijah came back from heaven on earth... before Christ...
at the Transfiguration...
and so did Moses.
because let's be clear... the apostle didn't saw John the baptist (which they knew the appearance)
along Moses (which they didn't knew the appearance, enither did they knew Elijah)
it'S not part of the Creed that Elijah was John the baptist....
it's a complicated topic for the reason I just mentionned.
you cannot conciliate the Gospel of John
and are pitching gospel against each others...
what's I've wrote is the only way that make both being truthful,
because it's the truth...
John the Baptist wasn't the Elijah, but you can say that he was in a sense.
BTW
there's the same issue about the consciliation of the temptation of Jesus and the gospel of John.
let point out that among the 4 gospel... only John was an eye witness of the Baptism of our Lord,
only him was a disciple of John the baptist (among the 4 evangelists)
so where was Jesus the 6th day after his baptism?
in the desert?
or at the Cana's wedding?
you can't make sense of those two if you follow the route you are following.
same if you claim that Jesus Knew that he was God before his baptism;
all those position imply that some are not telling the truth or deceiving...
if jesus would knew he was God... the question would be then...since when?
since birth?... therefore it give credit to the heretic gnostic gospel of the infancy of Jesus...
since his bar mitzvah in the temple at 12 years old?
then it would make the bar mitzvah a necessary sacrament!
no he knew he was the messiah at the instant of his baptism...
at which the only spirit brought him in the desert were he stayed for 40 days and night... (well that's what appeared to him)
as his human nature was tempted by the devil after the realisation of who he is...
that give the reason of the temptation aswell...
but those 40 days happened at the instant of his baptise...
and when he rose out of the water... he and John ONLY saw the light and the holy spirit coming down on Jesus as a dove, and heard the Voice in heaven...
NO one else saw it... not any disciple of John, no one that was there to get baptised...
that's why no ones followed Jesus after that...
and John needed to tell his disciple John and Andrew to follow him now...
which bring to the point that John the Baptist DIDN'T knew that Jesus was the Messiah before his baptism... because John Gospel said so...
and matthew's gospel got an error at saying that John the Baptist asked to be baptised before baptising Jesus...
because... Matthew wasn't there... and we have apocriph that place that even after the baptism of Jesus...
it was kept in the gospel by the Holy Spirit... as a proof against Sola Fides and the tendency of some christians to believe that the bible is perfect and 100% exact without any errors.
This remind me of this:
Debout, les damnés de la terre
Debout, les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère
C'est l'éruption de la fin
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout
Refrain :
𝄆 C'est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous, et demain
L'Internationale
Sera le genre humain. 𝄇
There isn't baptism proper in the Old Testament record, but obviously it was not new to the Jews -- if so, the talk about John would have included the "outrageous" practice of baptizing people in the river -- because even the scribes and Pharisees didn't question it. Baptism isn't in the Old Testament because it had been removed several hundred years earlier by those seeking to take out references direct or indirect to Christ. Yet, it was commonly accepted among the Jews of the time.
So you're saying that the Bible got corrupted?
I must decrease so he must increase
The process of rewiring the brain by the word through adult neurogenesis in the elect (repentance), starts with the destruction of established worldly neurons (death), and ends with the creation of new neurons for Godly thinking (rebirth).
(Romans 12:2)(Galatians 3:5)(Proverbs 4:20-23)(Psalm 1:2-3) neurons are trees
Yeah Jonathan, the implications of what you are saying is that Christ did not resurrect in the way that has been traditionally understood. I have to say it that way, because you have a symbolic answer to any other traditional phrase.
"He resurrected Jonathan."
" Well yes he did in some sense...BUUTT...."
No Jonathan, that is not God speaking to you. That is Peterson's "Lucifarian intellect."
You lead souls to a dangerous path. Repent.
you sound like a neo-gnostic, talking about all those symbolism and esoteric meanings like if all that is just allegoric.
are you gnostic?
don’t read the book Magnetic Aura by Takeshi Mizuki if you’re fine staying like everyone else, it’s not for you.
The original holy fool
seriously, don’t pick up the book Magnetic Aura unless you’re ready to see things differently, no joke.
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i hate metaphors and allegory
What a strange character he is!
Well, St John the Baptist was the Priest and Jesus was the King. This is the belief of the Essenes, which is descended from the kingly rites of the Old Kingdom of Egypt.
Baptized in Santa’s presents.
vs.
Baptized in Santa’s presence.
(This is no tower..once you understand the world is round.)
I’m sorry, but “trans-understanding” is just simple belief.
(Remember: The book is a collection of observations and reflections..it’s not a script.)
Nobody wants to be Jiminy Cricket.
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Nice razor you got there William.👍
By the way, I already got Jack in the fall and Giants. It’s beautiful. Now I just have to be able to read it to somebody because it really should be ready to somebody and all my grandkids are older but I love it.
I was raised Roman Catholic and I still am. We are filled with symbolism in the Roman Catholic Church. We don’t take everything literally at all. What you’re saying is some thing I learned from a long time ago when I was a kid the only literal thing we taking the Bible is when Jesus said this is my body. This is my blood and eat my flesh. That’s a literal part, but most of what we learned is symbolic of just the way it is.
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