Some Wagons Need Preservation - Some Need Restoration | Engels Coach Shop
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- Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles involves a number of factors that determine when a wagon or carriage is preserved versus being restored. Foremost is the owner's intent for the vehicle and monetary commitment, but also of importance is the present condition of the vehicle in consideration. Weighing these factors is part of the process in determining whether the wagon or carriage is restored or preserved. This wagon will be a mixture of both: the undercarriage will be preserved while the upper sheep wagon body will be restored. This is the start of the process.
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Engels, the only shop where we enjoy watching paint dry :D
Good one
Drip
There's "Keith Appleton" channel about model steam engines.
Oooh, that sounds interesting. Like I need more channels to get sucked into every week. :D
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Another enjoyable restoration job !! Thanks for sharing, Dave !!
You sir are a master wheelwright I learn new techniques every episode thanks for sharing !
I keep forgetting to compliment you on the gorgeous scenery you begin video's with. It's noted and appreciated.
I too enjoy the scenery clips!
Thanks. I like showing where I live.
nice tip metal filings and vinegar sweet great idea
I am going to steal that masking tape spout trick so hard!
like your simple idea using masking tape to make a pour spout
Always a pleasure in this crazy mixed-up world to stop by Engels' shop for a little sanity and common sense.
"Rode hard and put away wet" could be my epitaph. Or maybe "Rode hard, came up lame and put away", period, might be more accurate.
Once again, thanks for inviting me into your workshop....
Further reinforcement of how good Dave's videos are: He has us absolutely enjoying watching paint dry, just to see the marvelous end result! Thanks again Dave for allowing us along on your marvelous journey.
Interesting weathering trick with the vinegar and metal filings
Always a good day when there is a new video from Dave.
You know that you have the most passionate, engaged and loyal fans when 20,000 of them devote 25 minutes of their lives to watch paint dry! That was after only 10 hours of posting! We love you, Engels. Thanks for watching. 😉
So absolutely true! I appreciate you all. It makes it fun to share.
Look I'm already impressed how the man used masking tape to pour paint out of a can. 😅
Thanks for sharing this preservation job, Dave. Yes, it seems to require a very different skill-set and mindset than a complete restoration.
As you said, depends on the needs of the customer. Great job!
I have never seen that 'trick' with the masking tape on the lip of the paint can before. Simple but ingenious! Will save me a lot of heartache in the future.
That vinegar and iron fillings is amazing.
Almost as good as horse urine.
It will dang near age wood over night. Some woods you can watch it turn gray. Really good for blending in new PT fence boards on an old fence
@@bottomlands Hi. What exactly are these fillings? Does it mean "iron dust"?
Model railroaders have used India ink and isopropyl alcohol to age wood for many years.
Typically 2 teaspoons ink in a pint of 91% alcohol.
Yeah steel wool is an excellent replacement. If you let the vinegar and steel sit for weeks you can get a very dark mix. Great for staining leather black too.
Numerous folks stole my thunder about watching paint dry. As usual, I learned a few things. Thanks, Dave, for another fine video.
Another fantastic video. I wish you had the opurtunity to restore a stage coach. That would be awesome. Ever since I was a kid in the 50's watching all the old westerns on tv I have always had a deep fondness for the stage coach.
A painter and decorators tip. When storing your unused paint, store the paint tin upside down, so when you come to use it again, the skin is at the bottom of the tin leaving you with just the paint.
Good tip.
Thanks for this video Dave. It demonstrates your meticulous attention to detail for the most mundane of tasks. Masking a paint tin to keep it clean. I've never seen that before! Without a doubt this is one of the best channels on youtube.
There's no doubt that Dave is from the "old school" !! No plastic pour attachment that simply clip on, like today !!
That paint linseed oil mixing was just magical, a moment where the process trancends reality.
Cool trick with the tape on the paint can.
Nice video.
I think your work is very, very good.
I didn't know the trick with the adhesive tape on the paint can, because the edge stays clean. I'll remember that.
Looking forward to more beautiful, educational videos from you.
That was my grandfather's job at my great grandfather's coach and buggy works. He was a gifted artist as well. His calligraphy was outstanding too. He also was the one responsible for dagger lining the pin striping on all the buggies and wagons. He could do one side and then do the other side exactly the same which was an art in itself. Later he went on to run his own panel beating and spray painting workshop after the motor vehicle supplanted the coach and buggy. My great grandfather became a Studebaker dealer during the transition. They would receive a crate load of metal bits and would have to form all the coach work out of wood from provided plans and specifications. My grandfather had some interesting stories about teaching the town cop how to drive when Grandpa was only 8 years old.
What a legacy. Thanks for sharing!
Your channel was recommended to me presumably because I like watching restoration videos by other channels. I'm not from America, I've never been on a Wagon, but thank you for keeping this art alive! Incredible work by good people.
Wooo Hoooo! A new Dave Engels and a new Luminary Shop video in just 2 days. Great stuff.
You Sir, are an artist.
3:28 Trippy, man! That's some wicked blotter!
Good one. LOL
Great as always! For anyone who doesn't have access to sand blasting- a wire wheel works great for eating away the softer spring wood to help age your piece.
That's what I expected... until he reminded me he had the sand blaster. That vinegar & filings trick is pretty slick.
I like those fancy paint stirrers! 😁
Yep. Fresh from the scrap pile.
Hi there just a quick one to say that I love the paint lip on the can I have never seen it before and I'm a site contractor
Me too - I've never seen that either and I've got to remember it for future use. :)
It's in one of Dave's earlier videos on this channel, there's plenty of other nuggets in those, highly recommended when you have time :)
It could be a while before I pour any paint. I may have to write that on a sticky note and put it near my paint supplies.
It's so simple, it's genius!
I have never seen or thought of that trick. Great idea.I always learn something new from from you Dave, keep it up.
Yard Art cool thanks for sharing
Only Mr. Engels to make watching paint dry exciting!
The best! You are more than fabulous. I've been working wood and metal for more that 50 years and think I know alot (a little), you sir are a master! And although I've never worked on or with the old wagons like you
every episode I learn more and /or better ways! Thank you and never stop making these videos!
Loved the paint tray idea
Beautiful work!! thank you for sharing.
03:10 mixing the paint and oil looked super cool.
And soooo scientific!
Looked like something out of all horror film.
Yes just like the colour of my blood too
TEBRİK EDERİM GÜZEL BİR İŞÇİLİK.
I always look forward to 5pm eastern on Friday!
Your channel, along with Primative Technology, are excellent examples of the less that is said, the more interesting the video.
I once followed Pure living for Life. That man talked three times as much as he showed things he did. Really annoying, plus he made every little chore look like a tremendous obstacle. I find people who share their knowledge without talking much a lot more inspiring
09conrado
I stopped watching PLfL a while ago because of that. I think it was partly the sound of his voice and partly because he made things look so difficult, which in hindsight probably was for him and it showed.
AMEN
@@09conrado 100% agreed!
Loved the trick with the paint can and the masking tape.
The trick with the paint can is a new one for me. I used ready made paper lips from a paint store on a tip from a professional many years ago. The trick with vinegar and metal filings is something I used when repairing antique furniture. My friend always accused me of cheating, but I did it as a sympathetic restoration to save the pieces. This is the question museums have always asked: do you restore it to working condition, so you can demonstrate it's function, or do you just want to preserve the look? I think what he is doing is the right approach for this project, fix the minimum parts so it can stand on it's own and preserve the wood and metal to stop further decay. It will look fine and the original craftsmanship is on display.
AMAZING work!
Vinegar and steel wool is another way to fake aged wood. Add more steel wool and you can get it almost completely black. Great work as always, Dave!
Love the video - even enjoyed watching the paint dry, and that is saying something. Great to watch you work... Thank you for sharing!
The love you show these vehicles of yesteryear is what attracted me to your channel. You prove that nothing is beyond hope.
I hate painting and here I am, watching paint dry... Awsome job! keep it up :)
I got mesmerized by that redish paint drying out. Very clever!!!
Another wonderful masterclass. Thanks, Dave. Never heard of vinegar and iron filings before, but what a great tip. 👍 Thanks.
New life for an old wagon, excellent work!
I love how you did the paint. A masterpiece. God bless
lovely, looking forward to the next episode
The trick with the masking tape on the paint can is genius! I hope I remember it next time I need it.
Loved it Dave.
Great insight as to what’s needed, and what can practically work in light of the desired outcome, and budget. Wonderful tip on the vinegar and metal filings to make the wood look old. Wonderful work as always. Thanks Dave.
that works particularly good on oak or any wood that has a lot of tannin in it - the dull/black color is iron tannate
Dave, you're on top as always!!
Thanks again Dave. Loved your paint mixing sequence as some superb cinematography. Watching you work always soothes my soul.
First time I've actually enjoyed watching paint dry👏 Watching a talented craftsman work always inspires me. Keep it up!
Today on "This old Wagon"
Great stuff.
I watch, I learn. Thank you very much for sharing your fine work and smarts.
My college roommate who was from Fort Worth used to use that saying! And lots of other great western sayings! Love your videos!
Love the vinegar and metal (presumably iron) filing treatment.
Love you guys
Old stuff most of the time is good...Stuff...Thanks again...!!
Thank you
Good evening Dave, great job on the preservation of those wagon gears/carriage for display. You still go the extra miles so folks can see how they were made originally. Thanks for sharing with us, Fred.
Artist and artisan.
The oil and paint mixing looked like something evil boiling up from hell. Cool. Thanks for sharing your skill and time!
Great fractal and chaos patterns when paint pours into the linseed oil.
A craftsman at making things new - and making new things old!
The trick with tape around the paint can as a pour spout is worth the price of admission.
Very innovative I'm sure it will look great
A new trick to age wood. Thank you.
After watching you. I went out and took care of my Radio wagon. thank you for your videos.
good stuff sir
Wow - the effect of vinegar and iron filings!
Nice video
Another good Saturday show :-)
*Interesting craft of static display art, Dave.*
Thanks for letting me watch some of the tricks you’ve learned over the years. You know what it takes to make a new piece of wood look like an old piece of wood.
Master of the masking tape. Love your videos.
Conservation is often a more difficult process than restoration...🇬🇧☺️
That's the truth.
All I’m thinking while watching this... “gonna paint that wagon, gonna paint it good! We ain’t bragging, we’re gonna paint that wood!”
Nice job something a bit different 👍
Great video! Preservation versus restoration is such an interesting, yet tricky subject! In the past I have restored items to like new condition. Lately, I've been more about preserving them in their current condition...in their "work clothes" as I've heard it said. Neither is right or wrong, but each has its place, and that place often depends on the viewer's opinion. :)
Exactly.
Back in the day, Sherwin Williams used to sell a barn paint that was very similar to the one used here. "Linsolene" Barn Paint
Long ago and far away... Yes, very similar.
Your tray there adds new meaning to the term "paint tray", that is a pretty slick way to paint wheels. I use a vinegar/steel wool mix to age wood. Works great on pressure treated fences.
I use a wire cup brush to get the weathered look. And its quick.
Rode hard and put away wet - I'm thinking that might describe Dave's Chisels!
I love that color! A bit nervous a first but a great result
You had Massey Harris red at one point! Great antiquing of the oak.
I have used sandblasting to age timber but vinegar and iron fillings... I'm unashamedly going to steal that idea, thanks for the journey Dave.
what a job this will be. Too bad no one took care of this poor thing.
Looks great to me.
Jealous of your knees Dave. If I knelt like that for as long as you did, I you cry like a baby trying to get back up Thanks for the Video.
Northwood Acres Someone would have to come and help me up!
Artist.
I've watched a lot of your videos, most a few years old. This is the first time I've had a chance to comment on one that was current. Thanks for taking the time to film, comment, and post your work. I have learned a lot. I've a friend that is fond of saying"I know what I know, and I don't know what I don't know". You have shown me many things I don't know, I always learn here.
Thanks for being here.
Dave, that red stain actually looks really good considering the condition the wood is in. For a show-piece, I think it looks great.
Preservation... Shows the durability from the original craftsmen
Nice to see...