I wish the movies had just been a series of loosely connected, lighthearted adventures starring Newt and Jacob. Instead of obliviating Jacob, Newt just brings him along as his assistant/bestie.
The Fantastic Beast series could easily have just been Pokemon: HP universe edition. Unlimited franchise potential. Instead JK had to back door a First Wizarding War series. Thanks to her hubris, she has crashed and burned her own chance at another franchise.
The perfect way to end the Fantastic Beast series would have been to make Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them a standalone film. If they then wanted Newt to cameo in or play a major role in a Grindelwald-focused series, it wouldn't have felt out of place and shoehorned for Newt to be the protagonist to films which have almost nothing to do with him
It could have been a series, but make it more of a light hearted series about Newts adventures with different fantastic beasts across the wizarding world.
I think that this is how it should have been. Make a standalone FB movie and lightly introduce us to the grindelwarld war. And then make a trilogy with Dumbledore as a protagonist about said war and Newt as a ocasional character
That's exactly what i said after the 2nd movie. Fantastic Beasts could have been a side by side movie series...and FB would have focused on HIS adventures...with a crossover to DUMBLEDORE'S LEGACY series of movies....focus on Dumbledore and ultimately, the climatic battle between him and Grendelwald in 1945.
While the movies had their fair share of issues, I absolutely adore Newt as a protagonist so I can't help wishing they'd finish the last two anyways...
@@ThreadBomb I think you're mistaking "protagonist" with "main protagonist" Newt is very, very much "a protagonist" even if he's not always the "main protagonist"
@@ThreadBomb Well, he is the protagonist since the storie is told mainly from his perspective and involvement in a bigger narrative, what he isn't is the engine of said narrative, he's more of a witness that had some participation in a huge story, think of it as something like a "witness protagonist". For an easier example, think about a WWII movie that tells the tale of idk, Hitlers last days, but the movie isn't shown from his perspective and is instead told from the perspective of his secretary or someone in a similar less important position.
I agree, he is amazing. But they muddied his story too much as well. I also love Jacob and feel so bad for the guy. They did most of the OGs pretty dirty after the first movie
I really wish they would make the last two. The FB movies are a complete mess, but I think they were still salvageable if Rowling actually had a full story planned out. In any case, here's hoping we don't get a Cursed Child movie as a replacement.
@@joannaosullivan9170 I wrote a new synopsis that vastly improved the plot a while back, but I have no way of pitching it and they'll just stick to the book anyway.
It's Fawkes, and no. The phoenix APPEARS to a Dumbledore in desperate need. Fawkes stays because he's been adopted. When Dumbledore dies, Fawkes goes away. Forever. The Phoenix Lament always guts me. It's so, so sad.
The problem with that idea is that there would have been an incident sooner or later. The muggle boys just happened to be what set her off. It could have been something as simple as dropping favorite mug and getting mad about it.
They should really consult you guys for series continuity! I have more trust in your ability to connect plot devices than I do of the actual writers lol
So much the more if it’s the core love story between two “beast” people (Aurelius and Nagini), that drives the next war narrative involving a person with an indispensable beast on each opposing side (Albus/Harry and Fawkes vs Voldemort and Nagini)! Then there’s the parallel of sea and air. -recall Albus being reborn from fire in the fight with the Inferi? I think the scene that brings Aurelius’ Obscurus down will revolve around fire as well. And Voldemort is rebirthed from (a cauldron of) water as Corvus will be. Final thematic question is how the most magical-human centric dark wizards behave in the most beastly ways while magi who accept non-magical and beasts as family are the most honorable and humane…and Albus is perennially ambivalent until love and kindness are forced upon him or fate shows up in that package often enough that he cannot ignore. TLDR: Can we add enough elements of symmetry comparing beast and human, after the twin cores/two babies J gave, that WB goes through with FB4&5 exactly as J wrote this theory??
I currenlty doubt that we will get Fantastic Beasts 4 and 5, they have already been talking about rebooting actual Harry Potter, and with the situation with the author, I think it wont be long until its full on canceled. However, what I think should happen, is that I think JKR should just write this story into books. Shes clearly better at book writing than script writing and could condense all 5 movies into 3 books, giving much needed detail that the movies clearly lack, and make alterations and corrections to any potential errors the movies may have created. The first two books could cover essentially the same events as the first 3 movies, and the last book would cover whatever movie 4 and 5 would have. I think that would be ultimately the best way to go to finish this story, since personally, I do hate a story that is left unfinished.
I'd totally love that. I want to know how they defeated Grindelwald because it had been hinted since Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore didn't win with power alone or there was a series of events that lead to his triumph akin to Harry with Voldermort.
I've basically decided Fantastic Beasts is a standalone film to enjoy and the subsequent films are just something I'm no longer bothering to think about
Yeah, I really loved the first one, and was looking forward a lot to the rest of them. But the 2nd and 3rd one were so disappointing that I don't even know if I want a 4th and 5th one...
It’s almost as if JK isn’t actually as good of an author as everyone seems her to be. Like I love the world of Harry Potter, but honestly I think it’s because the fans have elevated it and made it so much better than it ever originally was in the author’s mind.
@@ForgetThisShist i think that the books are well written, my only issues are with what came after, when JKR's Twitter became cannon and the lacking newer franchise items like the fantastic beasts (aside from the first one, which I love). Because recently it really does seem like a money grab rather than a project the author and the cast enjoy
You know the more I think about it the more I realize the reason why I love the FB movies is because of SCB. I liked the first movie just fine but I was in different to the second two. But watching the theories, seeing the trailer break downs, waiting for the movie reviews has just been so much fun. I have enjoyed the story and ideas crafted from SCB more then the story that the author crafted. The way it’s so thought out and planned, the details and research is just so refreshing to see.
I don't think it would be a fight that would turn Aberforth and Nagini. At least for Aberforth, we know they at least talked after this event. It would be too easy for SOME kind of reconciliation to be made. I think it would be another one of Albus' schemes that doesn't work out and results in Credence's death. That would make Aberforth and Nagini angry, but would also explain some of Aberforth's behavior and comments towards Harry in the original series. Given the timing, I think maybe the Ministry and Supreme Leader hear from the people who were at Grindewald's meeting in Paris and find out a second great war is coming (WWII and Grindewald) and ask Dumbledore to stop him before it happens. Albus knows that he is an equal to Grindewald, but would not be able to defeat him, only fight him to a draw. They are about as powerful and know each other too well for either to have an upper hand. But Albus thinks that Credence can help change the balance. He also knows that Grindewald wants him, so he uses him. Credence, wanting redemption, agrees to a plan to lure Grindewald out and defeat him. The plan works, but as Albus goes to use the killing curse, he doesn't really mean it in his heart, because even after everything he did, Albus still cares for Grindewald, so the curse doesn't work. Grindewald understands that Albus cannot kill him and realizes he will never get Credence, so he decides to kill Credence so he is not a threat. Meanwhile, back at headquarters, Fawkes goes crazy because he senses Dumbledores are in trouble, and does the cool fire transportation thing Albus does with Fawkes during Order of the Phoenix, except this time with Aberforth. It transports him to the fight. The Obscurus takes control and defends Credence, but also attacks Albus, and Grindewald, now out numbered three to one, realizes he will not win, and flees to fight another day while also realizing one of Albus or Credence won't make it out. Aberforth tries to calm the Obscurus while Albus holds it off. Albus doesn't want to lose his last family member or have to kill Credence, so he convinces Aberforth to have Aberforth flee while Albus sacrifices himself so the Obscurus gets back under control of Credence. Aberforth agrees to it, reconciling with his brother. Aberforth leaves and as Albus is about to sacrifice himself, Fawkes absorbs the Obscurus against Albus' wishes. Credence's body returns from the remnants of the Obscurus and Albus is forced to bring his body back to Aberforth who thought his son would survive and his brother perish, but instead is greeted with the opposite. He breaks and accuses Albus of planning it "for the greater good". Nagini is also there and only hears this side of the story and swears she will see the end of Albus. Albus now has Fawkes and takes him to Ollivander to make two wands, the means for a wizard to express their magic, in honor of the two Obscurials he was not able to save. That explains both the only two feathers as well as why these wands may have chosen such powerful wizards, because Fawkes absorbed a very powerful magical entity in the Obscurus and that power seeks another powerful wielder.
You guys should write books of your own, I would love to have stories with your kind of style, plot twists, and hints. Not just fan fiction, I think that anything you guys write would be great
In the first Fantastic Beasts film, Tina disarms Grindelwald in the subway station, so doesn't that mean Tina was the owner of the Elder wand this whole time🤔
Assuming you guys are right about the Phoenix in CoG turning out to be Fawkes, I imagine that Nagini (who feels so strongly for Credence) would seek out the person whose wand has his feather. Like Fawkes leaving a feather was some sort of sign. Around that alleged battle with Credence vs Albus (or credence otherwise dies), Nagini may also find out that Fawkes left a feather that resides in Tom Riddle’s wand. It would make sense that Nagini would seek him out because (since Harry’s wand wasn’t made/claimed yet) it would feel like the only person alive worthy of Credence’s “legacy” would be Tom.
Even though I’ve pretty much accepted that we might not get any more FB, I would love to see the conclusion. Even though the series has been a mess, I’m definitely curious, and I love these characters.
Also also actually actually that would make both Voldemort's and Dumbledore's "pets" former(?) real people. Although the question would remain, how Corvus turns into a phoenix in the first place.
I like your explanation for Nagini. Her witnessing Dumbledore "kill" Credence would be a good enough reason for her to join "the opposite side", especially since it can be assumed that she is gradually losing her human mind. Maybe in the end, you can't make her understand and all she is left with is a burning hatred for Dumbledore.
Something I've been thinking on since re listening to Order of Phoenix for the gazillionth time by now, is how old is Griselda Marchbanks. Madame Marcbanks one of the examiner's for Harry's year for O. W. Ls, says she examinatied Dumbledore personally during his O. W. Ls. Dumbledore is 115 when he dies in 1997. He was born in 1881, considering the description of Marchbanks is "her face was lined as if with cobwebs" and she was partially deaf. I'd say Griselda Marcbanks is between 150 - 200 yrs old. For her to have be an examiner she'd have to be old enough to have gone through the school education herself and then further learn how/what the Ministry considers a pass or a fail. Which would be 10-20 yrs of learning and going through and observing examinations etc I reckon Marchbanks was 30-40 yrs older than Dumbledore.
I enjoy the different videos but honestly I think the twin cores was foreshadowing by JK of what Harry really was, Voldemort's Horcrux, that on the outside (the wood and length) defined who Harry was at his core he still held the core of Tom Riddle. With everything what you said being true, that he is Tom's way of defeating death, that he was able to defeat death with his survival and becoming a Horcrux, and that he must die and return to defeat ol Voldy. I also think it was another way of Tom marking him (I wonder if Neville had a chance of recieving the wand first if he didnt get his hand me down.). The fact that Harry's wand broke was also foreshadowing the severing Harry from Voldemort. Just my two sheckles.
@@Dontfucklewithdashuckle Same death and rebirth motif. Honestly him restoring his wand was the most Phoenix thing he was apart of. Also with Voldermort's wand being gone making Hary's wand being the only one with Faux's feather thematically showing Tom's influence no longer being apart of Harry.
I have a theory that ties into Hogwarts Legacy. What if Poppy Sweeting is the mother of Newt Scamander. The years line up for Poppy to be the right age. (23 in 1897) Both are in Hufflepuff, and both have a fascination and drive to protect and study fantastic beasts. Newt got his love of beasts from his mother, who isn't named in canon but is said to have bred Hippogriffs
This would also mean the prophecy from the Fantastic Beasts series and the prophecy from the main Harry Potter series are connected to one another. One prophecy sets the groundwork for the other to be fulfilled.
This video is amazing. It's truly remarkable how this theory times the 3 messy films together along with give it a neat cohesive conclusion. Bravo Super Carlin Brothers. Bravo indeed!
Random thought: What if Fawks donated the feather for Harry's wand before absorbing the obscurus from Credence, then donates Voldemort's feather after absorbing the obscurus. Therefore Voldemort's wand would come from a place of darkness/no love, just like himself, while still allowing Harry's wand to be free of the influence of the obscurus (symbolically at least).
I believe that the meaning of having the cores come from Fawkes is an allegory for Dumbledore's influence in their lives from the beginning of their journey
I'd love to hear how you guys think Hogwarts Legacy fits in (besides the obvious) and see how much of it you can connect to the HP timeline further. Been having a blast playing and I hope others are too
I want to see a movie where Newt Scamander travels the world to document elusive creatures that are thought to be a myth. Narrated by David Attenborough.
Ok, this theory is FANTASTIC! Ok jokes aside, it really does check all the boxes and makes a ton of sense. If they're lost, I hope they just take your theory and run with it! I'd love to see things play out that way in two more movies.
I have so enjoyed all your videos and theories on the different details from the Fantastic Beast series! To me, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Crimes of Grindelwald felt riddled with so many intentional, mysterious details that would later pay off but had to be seen early on screen in the series for the greater scheme of the story. I felt Secrets of Dumbledore was a thrown together mess that seemed to lack the first two movies' intentional groundwork/logic for the story as a whole. So, I am super disappointed we won’t get to see the whole story and what it means for the Harry Potter saga but I immensely enjoy watching your takes on it!
Nagini in Harry Potter books could also be the daughter or granddaughter of FB Nagini. Some of the older Phenix lore is that there is only one. In HP universe it is implied there are more than one.
I know there's evidence that the series won't continue, but the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald has yet to happen and it's what everyone has been waiting for because it's famous! So I have hope that WB will atleast do one more to wrap up everyone's storyline and give us the duel, so that we can actually find out the truth about what really happened!
When you look up if it’s cancelled, this is the top result: “Warner Bros. have announced that there are currently no plans to continue the Fantastic Beasts franchise with a fourth film.” -PopBuzz Later down the page, another google prompt answers why: “Its poor performance came amid poor reviews and several high-profile controversies - namely JK Rowling's controversial comments on trans lives; and abuse allegations and other legal issues involving Ezra Miller, one of Fantastic Beasts' leading stars; and allegations against former star Johnny Depp.” -Pink News
I love all of your theories and other stories but this one, wow. Amazing. Just brilliant! I'm so glad to have some way to close this series of they don't put anything else out.
the fact that harry is carrying a piece of voldemort's soul inside him goes further to explaining WHY/HOW harry and voldemort got twin wands than just "coincidence". The wand CHOOSES the wizard. The wand saw great power and potential in harry, the same way it's brother [the wand that chose voldemort] saw potential and power in voldemort....they BOTH recognized voldemort's power in the wizard they chose. ;)
Really interesting take you made there how the story could have been wrapped up. I at least hope they release some sort of script or book of how film 4 and 5 would have been structured and what happens.
A phoenix's tears heal, don't know if its been expanded on but it would stand to reason there tears could cure magical ailments, maybe curses? and maybe someone with an obscuris could be healed by those tears. I'm writing this before finishing the video so sorry if I jumped the gun.
I have a really crazy alternate course video to discuss what if Severus ended up with Lily instead of James how different would the 2nd wizarding war have been. Would Voldemort still have been temporarily defeated by Lily sacrificing herself for her son? Would her son still have gone to live with the Dursleys? Would Severus have raised his son after Lily was killed? Would Severus' son still be the chosen one? So many questions from this one divergence
So if I got this right. Baby Corvus was lost at sea. And in that cold stormy sea he transformed into a phoenix and eventually ended up as pet for Dumbledore.
Can they just hand the reigns over to J and Ben already?!? Or can you guys write a book!!! You put so much more thought into each of these videos than most of the multi million dollar movies out there!
I dont know if you consider yourselves professionals, which you are imo. WB should hire you for story writing honestly. You guys tie those ends up perfectly. This is not the first time I thought about this.
The first movie was really exciting to watch but Crimes of Grindelwald was disappointing to me. I have yet to see Secrets of Dumbledore but I hear its good
Would still love to see a chance to work in more Voldemort, close the Nagini line, possibly bring in Hagrid, and then have that final battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Alas, earwax.
I actually do think the Fawkes theory has some...wait for it...credence! I've also thought, with the continued usage of the Obliviate and memory motif throughout all three films, maybe, for some plot related reason, Albus and/or Aberforth were to lose their memories of Credence/Aurelius? I mean maybe you could argue that Albus would remember this stuff in the afterlife, but it was always one theme that seemed to make sense as an explanation and consistent tragic throughline to the story. Especially after how horrible it was to see Grindelwald take Yusuf's memories of Leta away from him, and how seemingly pointless it was for that particular story.
I feel like Warner Bros should consult with SuperCarlinBrothers and MovieFlame to fix these movies. Both channels have proven their knowledge and love of the Wizarding World so they'd be able to keep things accurate, they can see today's video as a draft and Morgan Ross of MovieFlame studied film! This would be perfect!
Maybe phoenix song has something to do with it, we know that when it's songs have special uplifting properties. Perhaps because an obscurus is a manifestation of inner turmoil and struggle the song might be the cure by allowing the wizard to embrace themselves and gain some inner peace thusly destroying or weakening the obscurial. Then a wizard like newt could remove the weakened obscurus and perhaps the phoenix could use it's tears to keep the host from dying.
One possibility for baby Corvus is he could have been picked up by a magical creature, something that would have turned him into something that could survive in the water. He wouldn’t necessarily drown right away because he’s a wizard and it’s established with Neville telling the story about how his grandparents threw him out an upstairs window to test him for magic that wizard babies tend to automatically use magic to protect themselves. The wings from the water could be something like a sea dragon, something that would fit the fantastic beast theme but hasn’t been introduced yet. Honestly I think Nagini went with Voldemort because he’s the only one who can understand her in her now permanent snake form. He also offers her safety, keeping her by his side instead of hunting her, which is something she has never had or even really hoped to have.
But we have Hogwarts Legacy and it was a gr8 success for WB. Likely we get a sequel. The whole FB series had so much affairs like that with Ezra Miller and pedofilia that honestly I don't see FB series getting sequels
I think really that Warner brothers should get the super carlin brothers to write all future wizarding world content because really you guys go so super in depth with it and pay attention to continuity and details and yeah... That would be the best really
What if instead of credence getting absorbed into Fawkes, he is Fawkes. He found a way to become an animagus and after dying from the obscurial he is reborn???
@@tokyodeathghoul2313 that's unfortunate then, but to be fair do you expect the directors of the fantastic beasts series to really go off of the wizarding world lore? Lol I feel like they could do anything at this point and it wouldn't surprise me
Part of me thinks that the Phoenix feather Albus gave to his brother when he convinced him to come and speak to Credence, will eventually be sold to Olivander, to make Voldy's wand.
Heeey, do you have in plans to do a theory of "What if Ariana didn't die during that fight?"? Aberforth does? What would be implications of that? Maybe nobody does and Dumbledore still is up to his and Gellerts plan? I was always curious.
I couldn't remember the name of the Cursed Child Book (but I remembered that it had something to do with children and a negative word) so I thought the middle section was you needing to dredge up the Cursed Child.
I don't think you mentioned this but... isn't Nagini a Maledictus? Which would mean that she succumbed to the curse and become an animal, unable to turn back or possess human thought or reason, the snake that would become Voldemort's Horcrux. I feel like you forgot that detail with all the talk about Nagini joining Voldemort or whatever.
Will we ever get a Fantastic Beasts 4 or 5???
Hopefully! :)
When will the next Kahoot trivia quiz be?
I don’t know. I just want to see the duel
There is never enough magical shows/movies to watch
Gosh I sure hope so.
I wish the movies had just been a series of loosely connected, lighthearted adventures starring Newt and Jacob. Instead of obliviating Jacob, Newt just brings him along as his assistant/bestie.
That's certainly the kind of movie that the title suggests.
💯 Yes!!!))))) And Dumbledore vs. Grindelwald as separated movie series.
Or Newt does oblivate him over and over but still ends up in each story by some way inside of the story
I would have loved that so much
The Fantastic Beast series could easily have just been Pokemon: HP universe edition. Unlimited franchise potential. Instead JK had to back door a First Wizarding War series. Thanks to her hubris, she has crashed and burned her own chance at another franchise.
The perfect way to end the Fantastic Beast series would have been to make Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them a standalone film. If they then wanted Newt to cameo in or play a major role in a Grindelwald-focused series, it wouldn't have felt out of place and shoehorned for Newt to be the protagonist to films which have almost nothing to do with him
It could have been a series, but make it more of a light hearted series about Newts adventures with different fantastic beasts across the wizarding world.
I think that this is how it should have been. Make a standalone FB movie and lightly introduce us to the grindelwarld war. And then make a trilogy with Dumbledore as a protagonist about said war and Newt as a ocasional character
I totally agree with this. Spot on.
That's exactly what i said after the 2nd movie. Fantastic Beasts could have been a side by side movie series...and FB would have focused on HIS adventures...with a crossover to DUMBLEDORE'S LEGACY series of movies....focus on Dumbledore and ultimately, the climatic battle between him and Grendelwald in 1945.
I agree, i think they lost their way trying to merge the two together unfortunately
While the movies had their fair share of issues, I absolutely adore Newt as a protagonist so I can't help wishing they'd finish the last two anyways...
Is Newt really a "protagonist", though, or is he just someone who is around while some of the story takes place?
@@ThreadBomb I think you're mistaking "protagonist" with "main protagonist" Newt is very, very much "a protagonist" even if he's not always the "main protagonist"
@@ThreadBomb Well, he is the protagonist since the storie is told mainly from his perspective and involvement in a bigger narrative, what he isn't is the engine of said narrative, he's more of a witness that had some participation in a huge story, think of it as something like a "witness protagonist".
For an easier example, think about a WWII movie that tells the tale of idk, Hitlers last days, but the movie isn't shown from his perspective and is instead told from the perspective of his secretary or someone in a similar less important position.
I agree, he is amazing. But they muddied his story too much as well. I also love Jacob and feel so bad for the guy. They did most of the OGs pretty dirty after the first movie
You can really tell from just how little J talks about Newt in this video, how relevant he actually was to the story.
I wish JK would just publish the whole story in book so we can actually experience it the same way we did with HP. I just loved reading those books…
I really wish they would make the last two. The FB movies are a complete mess, but I think they were still salvageable if Rowling actually had a full story planned out. In any case, here's hoping we don't get a Cursed Child movie as a replacement.
Hear hear!
I would rather be a victim in American psycho than watch a cursed child movie
@@joannaosullivan9170 I wrote a new synopsis that vastly improved the plot a while back, but I have no way of pitching it and they'll just stick to the book anyway.
All they had to do was not screw over johnny Depp and the movie wouldn't have flopped
@@joannaosullivan9170 Solution: don't watch the movie if it comes out.
So does the fact that Fawx stays with Dumbledore mean he's ALWAYS in desperate need?
that’s funny
Either that, or it is two brothers sticking it out till the end.
It's Fawkes, and no. The phoenix APPEARS to a Dumbledore in desperate need. Fawkes stays because he's been adopted. When Dumbledore dies, Fawkes goes away. Forever. The Phoenix Lament always guts me. It's so, so sad.
@@Black-Swan-007 Also, there weren't any more Dumbledores.
Except this one guy named Aberforth
I always wondered what would have happened if Arianna hadn’t been attacked by those muggle boys
I’d be cool if they did a show like marvels what if. Like going into ideas like that
I guess the Phoenix was on vacation that day.
The problem with that idea is that there would have been an incident sooner or later. The muggle boys just happened to be what set her off. It could have been something as simple as dropping favorite mug and getting mad about it.
@@rachelguderjahn2231 I doubt dropping a mug would make her hate/fear magic so much that she stops using it and becomes obscurus
@@IdaSantti you're right. I misremembered what had caused her to suppress her magic and mixed it up with what caused her to explode with magical rage.
They should really consult you guys for series continuity! I have more trust in your ability to connect plot devices than I do of the actual writers lol
Fawkes beeing the prophecy avenger also makes sense because then it would still be a FANTASTIC BEAST at the core of the entire story.
So much the more if it’s the core love story between two “beast” people (Aurelius and Nagini), that drives the next war narrative involving a person with an indispensable beast on each opposing side (Albus/Harry and Fawkes vs Voldemort and Nagini)!
Then there’s the parallel of sea and air. -recall Albus being reborn from fire in the fight with the Inferi? I think the scene that brings Aurelius’ Obscurus down will revolve around fire as well. And Voldemort is rebirthed from (a cauldron of) water as Corvus will be.
Final thematic question is how the most magical-human centric dark wizards behave in the most beastly ways while magi who accept non-magical and beasts as family are the most honorable and humane…and Albus is perennially ambivalent until love and kindness are forced upon him or fate shows up in that package often enough that he cannot ignore.
TLDR: Can we add enough elements of symmetry comparing beast and human, after the twin cores/two babies J gave, that WB goes through with FB4&5 exactly as J wrote this theory??
14:05 first time ive ever seen one of these in your vids! its nice to see that even the best sometimes make mistakes. love you guys!!
I currenlty doubt that we will get Fantastic Beasts 4 and 5, they have already been talking about rebooting actual Harry Potter, and with the situation with the author, I think it wont be long until its full on canceled.
However, what I think should happen, is that I think JKR should just write this story into books. Shes clearly better at book writing than script writing and could condense all 5 movies into 3 books, giving much needed detail that the movies clearly lack, and make alterations and corrections to any potential errors the movies may have created. The first two books could cover essentially the same events as the first 3 movies, and the last book would cover whatever movie 4 and 5 would have. I think that would be ultimately the best way to go to finish this story, since personally, I do hate a story that is left unfinished.
I'd totally love that. I want to know how they defeated Grindelwald because it had been hinted since Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore didn't win with power alone or there was a series of events that lead to his triumph akin to Harry with Voldermort.
SCB, you guys seriously rock! I honestly think you'd make an an amazing "What if Neville Longbottom was the Chosen One" series.
I've basically decided Fantastic Beasts is a standalone film to enjoy and the subsequent films are just something I'm no longer bothering to think about
Yeah, I really loved the first one, and was looking forward a lot to the rest of them. But the 2nd and 3rd one were so disappointing that I don't even know if I want a 4th and 5th one...
I actually like the first Fantastic Beasts better than any of the individual HP movies
As always your theories seem more thought through than the actual movies in the FB franchise at the very least
It’s almost as if JK isn’t actually as good of an author as everyone seems her to be. Like I love the world of Harry Potter, but honestly I think it’s because the fans have elevated it and made it so much better than it ever originally was in the author’s mind.
@@ForgetThisShist i think that the books are well written, my only issues are with what came after, when JKR's Twitter became cannon and the lacking newer franchise items like the fantastic beasts (aside from the first one, which I love). Because recently it really does seem like a money grab rather than a project the author and the cast enjoy
@@vdovii as if she needed more money.
You know the more I think about it the more I realize the reason why I love the FB movies is because of SCB. I liked the first movie just fine but I was in different to the second two. But watching the theories, seeing the trailer break downs, waiting for the movie reviews has just been so much fun. I have enjoyed the story and ideas crafted from SCB more then the story that the author crafted. The way it’s so thought out and planned, the details and research is just so refreshing to see.
I don't think it would be a fight that would turn Aberforth and Nagini. At least for Aberforth, we know they at least talked after this event. It would be too easy for SOME kind of reconciliation to be made. I think it would be another one of Albus' schemes that doesn't work out and results in Credence's death. That would make Aberforth and Nagini angry, but would also explain some of Aberforth's behavior and comments towards Harry in the original series.
Given the timing, I think maybe the Ministry and Supreme Leader hear from the people who were at Grindewald's meeting in Paris and find out a second great war is coming (WWII and Grindewald) and ask Dumbledore to stop him before it happens. Albus knows that he is an equal to Grindewald, but would not be able to defeat him, only fight him to a draw. They are about as powerful and know each other too well for either to have an upper hand. But Albus thinks that Credence can help change the balance. He also knows that Grindewald wants him, so he uses him. Credence, wanting redemption, agrees to a plan to lure Grindewald out and defeat him. The plan works, but as Albus goes to use the killing curse, he doesn't really mean it in his heart, because even after everything he did, Albus still cares for Grindewald, so the curse doesn't work. Grindewald understands that Albus cannot kill him and realizes he will never get Credence, so he decides to kill Credence so he is not a threat. Meanwhile, back at headquarters, Fawkes goes crazy because he senses Dumbledores are in trouble, and does the cool fire transportation thing Albus does with Fawkes during Order of the Phoenix, except this time with Aberforth. It transports him to the fight. The Obscurus takes control and defends Credence, but also attacks Albus, and Grindewald, now out numbered three to one, realizes he will not win, and flees to fight another day while also realizing one of Albus or Credence won't make it out. Aberforth tries to calm the Obscurus while Albus holds it off. Albus doesn't want to lose his last family member or have to kill Credence, so he convinces Aberforth to have Aberforth flee while Albus sacrifices himself so the Obscurus gets back under control of Credence. Aberforth agrees to it, reconciling with his brother. Aberforth leaves and as Albus is about to sacrifice himself, Fawkes absorbs the Obscurus against Albus' wishes. Credence's body returns from the remnants of the Obscurus and Albus is forced to bring his body back to Aberforth who thought his son would survive and his brother perish, but instead is greeted with the opposite. He breaks and accuses Albus of planning it "for the greater good". Nagini is also there and only hears this side of the story and swears she will see the end of Albus. Albus now has Fawkes and takes him to Ollivander to make two wands, the means for a wizard to express their magic, in honor of the two Obscurials he was not able to save. That explains both the only two feathers as well as why these wands may have chosen such powerful wizards, because Fawkes absorbed a very powerful magical entity in the Obscurus and that power seeks another powerful wielder.
You guys should write books of your own, I would love to have stories with your kind of style, plot twists, and hints. Not just fan fiction, I think that anything you guys write would be great
14:05 missed a blooper during editing?
Love how FB explains why Aberforth would be looking out for Harry in a mirror.
So, how did Corvus become a Phoenix? I can't grasp that point...help please!
In the first Fantastic Beasts film, Tina disarms Grindelwald in the subway station, so doesn't that mean Tina was the owner of the Elder wand this whole time🤔
Assuming you guys are right about the Phoenix in CoG turning out to be Fawkes, I imagine that Nagini (who feels so strongly for Credence) would seek out the person whose wand has his feather. Like Fawkes leaving a feather was some sort of sign. Around that alleged battle with Credence vs Albus (or credence otherwise dies), Nagini may also find out that Fawkes left a feather that resides in Tom Riddle’s wand. It would make sense that Nagini would seek him out because (since Harry’s wand wasn’t made/claimed yet) it would feel like the only person alive worthy of Credence’s “legacy” would be Tom.
I love this explanation
Even though I’ve pretty much accepted that we might not get any more FB, I would love to see the conclusion. Even though the series has been a mess, I’m definitely curious, and I love these characters.
Also also actually actually that would make both Voldemort's and Dumbledore's "pets" former(?) real people. Although the question would remain, how Corvus turns into a phoenix in the first place.
I like your explanation for Nagini. Her witnessing Dumbledore "kill" Credence would be a good enough reason for her to join "the opposite side", especially since it can be assumed that she is gradually losing her human mind. Maybe in the end, you can't make her understand and all she is left with is a burning hatred for Dumbledore.
Something I've been thinking on since re listening to Order of Phoenix for the gazillionth time by now, is how old is Griselda Marchbanks.
Madame Marcbanks one of the examiner's for Harry's year for O. W. Ls, says she examinatied Dumbledore personally during his O. W. Ls.
Dumbledore is 115 when he dies in 1997. He was born in 1881, considering the description of Marchbanks is "her face was lined as if with cobwebs" and she was partially deaf.
I'd say Griselda Marcbanks is between 150 - 200 yrs old. For her to have be an examiner she'd have to be old enough to have gone through the school education herself and then further learn how/what the Ministry considers a pass or a fail. Which would be 10-20 yrs of learning and going through and observing examinations etc
I reckon Marchbanks was 30-40 yrs older than Dumbledore.
I enjoy the different videos but honestly I think the twin cores was foreshadowing by JK of what Harry really was, Voldemort's Horcrux, that on the outside (the wood and length) defined who Harry was at his core he still held the core of Tom Riddle. With everything what you said being true, that he is Tom's way of defeating death, that he was able to defeat death with his survival and becoming a Horcrux, and that he must die and return to defeat ol Voldy. I also think it was another way of Tom marking him (I wonder if Neville had a chance of recieving the wand first if he didnt get his hand me down.). The fact that Harry's wand broke was also foreshadowing the severing Harry from Voldemort. Just my two sheckles.
This sounds kinda nice until one part: when Harry restores his wand with the Elder Wand. What does that mean then?
@@Dontfucklewithdashuckle Same death and rebirth motif. Honestly him restoring his wand was the most Phoenix thing he was apart of. Also with Voldermort's wand being gone making Hary's wand being the only one with Faux's feather thematically showing Tom's influence no longer being apart of Harry.
I have a theory that ties into Hogwarts Legacy. What if Poppy Sweeting is the mother of Newt Scamander. The years line up for Poppy to be the right age. (23 in 1897) Both are in Hufflepuff, and both have a fascination and drive to protect and study fantastic beasts. Newt got his love of beasts from his mother, who isn't named in canon but is said to have bred Hippogriffs
This explanation makes so much sense! It’s a shame if they do finish the last two movies I doubt they would be close to this theory.
This would also mean the prophecy from the Fantastic Beasts series and the prophecy from the main Harry Potter series are connected to one another. One prophecy sets the groundwork for the other to be fulfilled.
This video is amazing. It's truly remarkable how this theory times the 3 messy films together along with give it a neat cohesive conclusion. Bravo Super Carlin Brothers. Bravo indeed!
The water bird in the title scene is a crow. (Corvid. Corvus)
Random thought: What if Fawks donated the feather for Harry's wand before absorbing the obscurus from Credence, then donates Voldemort's feather after absorbing the obscurus. Therefore Voldemort's wand would come from a place of darkness/no love, just like himself, while still allowing Harry's wand to be free of the influence of the obscurus (symbolically at least).
Oh snap. That’s good.
I legit thought the notification was of a HISHE video🤣🤣🤣
Lol! So did I
I believe that the meaning of having the cores come from Fawkes is an allegory for Dumbledore's influence in their lives from the beginning of their journey
I personally don't need the content warning but I'm really happy to see it!
I'd love to hear how you guys think Hogwarts Legacy fits in (besides the obvious) and see how much of it you can connect to the HP timeline further. Been having a blast playing and I hope others are too
Ok, I'm on board for your wrap-up. I like the way you've brought the parallels & can't-be-coincidences together.
I want to see a movie where Newt Scamander travels the world to document elusive creatures that are thought to be a myth. Narrated by David Attenborough.
Ok, this theory is FANTASTIC! Ok jokes aside, it really does check all the boxes and makes a ton of sense. If they're lost, I hope they just take your theory and run with it! I'd love to see things play out that way in two more movies.
I have so enjoyed all your videos and theories on the different details from the Fantastic Beast series! To me, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Crimes of Grindelwald felt riddled with so many intentional, mysterious details that would later pay off but had to be seen early on screen in the series for the greater scheme of the story. I felt Secrets of Dumbledore was a thrown together mess that seemed to lack the first two movies' intentional groundwork/logic for the story as a whole. So, I am super disappointed we won’t get to see the whole story and what it means for the Harry Potter saga but I immensely enjoy watching your takes on it!
When I saw this title, I literally thought it was an actual "How It Should Have Ended" skit, from the channel with the same name as the title lol.
With the success of the new game I don’t doubt we will get a conclusion even if it’s a book/s
we will get more thats for sure, money is the biggest motivator afterall
Nagini in Harry Potter books could also be the daughter or granddaughter of FB Nagini. Some of the older Phenix lore is that there is only one. In HP universe it is implied there are more than one.
What if the Golden trio let Lupin help them on their quest.
"Cozy like a shoe"
- Jonathan Carlin, like every day of his life
I still say the first movie should have ended with a cut scene of Tom riddle being born a la Legend of Korra book 2 episode 8.
I know there's evidence that the series won't continue, but the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald has yet to happen and it's what everyone has been waiting for because it's famous! So I have hope that WB will atleast do one more to wrap up everyone's storyline and give us the duel, so that we can actually find out the truth about what really happened!
Always amazing videos on this channel, no wonder it is so many people's favorite ! Thanks again for such quality content!
I knew I could trust you guys making sense of this story. I liked this story idea you came up with all the random stuff that are those movies.
When you look up if it’s cancelled, this is the top result: “Warner Bros. have announced that there are currently no plans to continue the Fantastic Beasts franchise with a fourth film.” -PopBuzz
Later down the page, another google prompt answers why: “Its poor performance came amid poor reviews and several high-profile controversies - namely JK Rowling's controversial comments on trans lives; and abuse allegations and other legal issues involving Ezra Miller, one of Fantastic Beasts' leading stars; and allegations against former star Johnny Depp.” -Pink News
"Currently no plans" and "canceled" are 2 completely different things in the entertainment world
You guys rock. There's so much effort put into this, just like the rest of your content. Bravo.
I wish she had wrote books/ the story, before any movie was shot
Could voldemort absorb credence and his obscurous? Thus why nagini follows voldemort? She's always in love with credence
I love all of your theories and other stories but this one, wow. Amazing. Just brilliant! I'm so glad to have some way to close this series of they don't put anything else out.
I’m holding on to hope they’ll maybe do one more movie eventually just to wrap up the story.
I just got back into therapy, too. I agree with you. Therapy is making a difference for me.
newt gives me so much serotonin hes just such a pure boi
I‘m gonna pretend this is canon now. Thank you very much for your work ☺️👍🏻
I think we should just discard Rowling and leave the wizarding world in J and Ben's capable hands.
Then we wouldn't have to pretend. :)
I think that might be the longest pre-intro intro I've seen from SCB, but it was a "fantastic" recap ;-)
The first video of yours I’ve ever seen where you accidentally left a „failed take“ in it 🤣 happens the best too I suppose 👍🏻 14:05
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the fact that harry is carrying a piece of voldemort's soul inside him goes further to explaining WHY/HOW harry and voldemort got twin wands than just "coincidence". The wand CHOOSES the wizard. The wand saw great power and potential in harry, the same way it's brother [the wand that chose voldemort] saw potential and power in voldemort....they BOTH recognized voldemort's power in the wizard they chose. ;)
Really interesting take you made there how the story could have been wrapped up. I at least hope they release some sort of script or book of how film 4 and 5 would have been structured and what happens.
A phoenix's tears heal, don't know if its been expanded on but it would stand to reason there tears could cure magical ailments, maybe curses?
and maybe someone with an obscuris could be healed by those tears.
I'm writing this before finishing the video so sorry if I jumped the gun.
I have a really crazy alternate course video to discuss what if Severus ended up with Lily instead of James how different would the 2nd wizarding war have been. Would Voldemort still have been temporarily defeated by Lily sacrificing herself for her son? Would her son still have gone to live with the Dursleys? Would Severus have raised his son after Lily was killed? Would Severus' son still be the chosen one? So many questions from this one divergence
this video may as well be called "Why Super Carlin Bros Should Write For WB"
So if I got this right. Baby Corvus was lost at sea. And in that cold stormy sea he transformed into a phoenix and eventually ended up as pet for Dumbledore.
Can they just hand the reigns over to J and Ben already?!? Or can you guys write a book!!!
You put so much more thought into each of these videos than most of the multi million dollar movies out there!
the last thing you said about the elder wand repairing harry's wand. i wish they put that in the movie
I dont know if you consider yourselves professionals, which you are imo.
WB should hire you for story writing honestly. You guys tie those ends up perfectly. This is not the first time I thought about this.
How would Covus become a Phoenix? Confused there.
The first movie was really exciting to watch but Crimes of Grindelwald was disappointing to me. I have yet to see Secrets of Dumbledore but I hear its good
Would still love to see a chance to work in more Voldemort, close the Nagini line, possibly bring in Hagrid, and then have that final battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Alas, earwax.
I actually do think the Fawkes theory has some...wait for it...credence! I've also thought, with the continued usage of the Obliviate and memory motif throughout all three films, maybe, for some plot related reason, Albus and/or Aberforth were to lose their memories of Credence/Aurelius? I mean maybe you could argue that Albus would remember this stuff in the afterlife, but it was always one theme that seemed to make sense as an explanation and consistent tragic throughline to the story. Especially after how horrible it was to see Grindelwald take Yusuf's memories of Leta away from him, and how seemingly pointless it was for that particular story.
My understanding was that WB had, in fact, announced there would be no further Fantastic Beasts movies.
it bothers me to see "how fantastic beasts WOULD have ended" in the thumbnail :X
great vid as always tho
14:04 nice sneak peak at how they do these takes
I feel like Warner Bros should consult with SuperCarlinBrothers and MovieFlame to fix these movies. Both channels have proven their knowledge and love of the Wizarding World so they'd be able to keep things accurate, they can see today's video as a draft and Morgan Ross of MovieFlame studied film! This would be perfect!
Maybe the great avenger from the water is the friends we made along the way
14:04 Oops. :) I actually kind of love seeing this. Happens to the best of us. And it's a bit of a cool BTS look at J's process.
Maybe phoenix song has something to do with it, we know that when it's songs have special uplifting properties. Perhaps because an obscurus is a manifestation of inner turmoil and struggle the song might be the cure by allowing the wizard to embrace themselves and gain some inner peace thusly destroying or weakening the obscurial. Then a wizard like newt could remove the weakened obscurus and perhaps the phoenix could use it's tears to keep the host from dying.
One possibility for baby Corvus is he could have been picked up by a magical creature, something that would have turned him into something that could survive in the water. He wouldn’t necessarily drown right away because he’s a wizard and it’s established with Neville telling the story about how his grandparents threw him out an upstairs window to test him for magic that wizard babies tend to automatically use magic to protect themselves. The wings from the water could be something like a sea dragon, something that would fit the fantastic beast theme but hasn’t been introduced yet.
Honestly I think Nagini went with Voldemort because he’s the only one who can understand her in her now permanent snake form. He also offers her safety, keeping her by his side instead of hunting her, which is something she has never had or even really hoped to have.
Calling it now: Corvus is the giant squid from the lake AND Fawkes. J/k 😉
Yet again your theory’s excite me so much more than the outcomes 😂
They were just waiting on ya'll to make this video so they could know how to write the script 😂
I'm disappointed that WB has said no more films on the horizon. 😥
I want a Tales of Beedle the Bard anthology movie and a sports movie about Quidditch.
But we have Hogwarts Legacy and it was a gr8 success for WB. Likely we get a sequel. The whole FB series had so much affairs like that with Ezra Miller and pedofilia that honestly I don't see FB series getting sequels
I think really that Warner brothers should get the super carlin brothers to write all future wizarding world content because really you guys go so super in depth with it and pay attention to continuity and details and yeah... That would be the best really
What if instead of credence getting absorbed into Fawkes, he is Fawkes. He found a way to become an animagus and after dying from the obscurial he is reborn???
I think I remembered reading somewhere that your animagus cannot be a magical creature.
@@tokyodeathghoul2313 that's unfortunate then, but to be fair do you expect the directors of the fantastic beasts series to really go off of the wizarding world lore? Lol I feel like they could do anything at this point and it wouldn't surprise me
Love how the titles get changed from the thumbnail to the video title
Part of me thinks that the Phoenix feather Albus gave to his brother when he convinced him to come and speak to Credence, will eventually be sold to Olivander, to make Voldy's wand.
If it was one of Fawks's feathers, it would quite literally have to be.
7:38 side eying GAME OF THRONES..
14:09 Something happening there J, maybe a time turner gone array...
Just started the video. If they don’t add a line about Newt finding a baby Aragog I’m gonna scream
Can we get a 7-8 part what if of if Dudley Dursley was a Muggle Born wizard?
Heeey, do you have in plans to do a theory of "What if Ariana didn't die during that fight?"? Aberforth does? What would be implications of that? Maybe nobody does and Dumbledore still is up to his and Gellerts plan? I was always curious.
0:20 The joke you were looking for is they've been quite a beast
I couldn't remember the name of the Cursed Child Book (but I remembered that it had something to do with children and a negative word) so I thought the middle section was you needing to dredge up the Cursed Child.
I don't think you mentioned this but... isn't Nagini a Maledictus? Which would mean that she succumbed to the curse and become an animal, unable to turn back or possess human thought or reason, the snake that would become Voldemort's Horcrux. I feel like you forgot that detail with all the talk about Nagini joining Voldemort or whatever.
If Credence had been lost at sea and then returned, would that be Credence Saltwater Revival?
Credence looked incredibly like Snape at one point…