From before I can remember, I was raised and brainwashed by Baptists. Regarding Tim's comments beginning at 1:11:23, I did not have to look at tribal cults in the middle of the jungle to find religions and cults that were "Oh, that's so weird." They were right there in our midst in the form of Methodists, Jews, Catholics, Episcopalians, etc. As a Baptist, I looked at them and thought how weird and misguided they were. After spending the first 30 years of my life as a devout Baptist, I became an atheist/agnostic and now look at the Baptists as the weirdest of all--even surpassing jungle tribal cults! My biggest regret in life is that I was raised in such a narrow, closed society that instilled such nonsense in me.
Yes, I was raised Baptist in the Bible Belt. Very indoctrinated. I attended a Christian School and even obtained my bachelor’s degree from a Christian university. I was in my thirties when I stopped believing that God existed. It takes quite a lot of time and work to deconstruct. Long process! So glad to be free from the fear of hell!
Honest the only 2 times I was actively back stabbed at work, for a 'promotion' which may or not come through. Was by 2 born again Christians! Somehow it made sense to me!
One underlying, yet often over-looked aspect of religion, is the inherent external control mechanism that it is. Instead of encouraging people to think for themselves, religions of any type induce people to believe what they are told. It discourages inquiry and personal explorations. Political dogmatism is a very close, unthoughtful, unexamined vehicle for mind control. They both scare me equally.
Tim, I'm with you. I still want to live forever. The biggest grief since leaving Christianity, for me, is losing eternal life and the possibility of being with loved ones again. I hold out hope that there's some kind of consciousness that lives on. I don't want to just disappear into darkness and cease to exist.
I feel the same. I resent death. I hate the thought that those I have loved and lost are nowhere now. But an eternity singing praises to this horrible narcissistic God? No way.
You never had eternal life, it was an empty promise. Christinanity convinces you that you are sick and says it can cure you, but only after doing all it wants you to do. It's a scam.
@@carolwilliams8511 Its sad that people have been so conditioned to believe the only two options are Christianity and Hard-headed materialism. I left Catholicism as a teen, passed through Buddhist/Eastern thought/ Studied Western Mysticism etc. Until finally I settled at just "spiritual but not religious" after having a few OBEs (out of body experiences) as a result of a deep meditation practice early on in my college years. In this OBE, I witnessed my friend walking down the path toward me dormitory, Immediately woke myself up and ran to the window, and there he was, walking right as I had seen while "away from my physical vehicle". I recommend watching NDErs talk about their experiences. and there are various forums dedicated to those who explore and have had "nonphysical experiences" without the baggage of organized religions. Belief/Faith are unnecessary when direct experience is possible, that includes Faith that the world is completely material, although scientists have known we're not material for quite some time (hello quantum physics).
Research all the various ndes there are, then research reincarnation stories, then go Research the "reincarnation soul trap" Your welcome Avoid the light It's a trap
You are crazy! He was beaten and crucified to save your sorry soul! All you have to do is believe and follow him! Watch hell is for real by bill Wiese!
You are talking about God like that, the creator of the universe, the creator of you. The star breathing God.He loves you so much He created you and then sent His Son being fully man and fully God to die for you, taking on all your sins, everyone's sins on the cross. To say He is not worthy of your love and sacrifice, well that is very sad that you even think that way. He loves you so much you can't even imagine.
@@carlafilbert631ohhh I soooo would have wanted not to exist as someone with Asperger that has had to deal with horrible mental health throughout my whole life. And if god was omniscient he definitely knew that so basically created me against my will. That's the worst possible start. And I find it horrible that such god requires blood sacrifices in order to "forgive" its own creation for being imperfect. If he loved us so much he wouldn't need to make a scene of torture the center of its religion so that we remember how dramatic and bloodthirsty "he" is
@@eprd313 My brother has Asperger's, and he is wonderful. He has his own issues, but so do I! He works, he goes to church, and our family is very blessed with him in our family! Disabilities don't make people less of a person. God loves my brother too, just like He loves you, even though you may not see it.
Glad to see D M’s work get the attention she deserved, as well as to find this channel. Mythicism makes the most sense to me, having seen religions evolve in my almost six decades. Ideas get mixed, stirred, shaken, fused, split, and molded to suit different mindsets and cultures, which is probably the most human thing we do. These archetypal stories seem to come up again and again.
That's basically the core of my world view. However because of that, I also realize that how any individual chooses to do that is up to them. I have no leg to stand on in saying "You must give your life meaning how I say!" Sure, people can debate different things, and some ideas are more rational than others, but in the end, it's a personal journey.
Eternal life. I just admit that I really, really, really do not want to die. Even at 73 I continue to enjoy life too much. I continue to appreciate what I have. I fear that when I die, I will miss out on the party. I really want to know how this or that will turn out. I really want to see this or that happen. My damn brain will not let go of the feeling that when I die, I will miss the party. But when I am dead, I will cease to exist and so will not know. Paradoxically, as a kid and young man I was actually afraid of death, because how did I know with 1000% certainty that I was saved. Maybe, at the judgement, Jesus would really say "I never knew you". Or as the bible says - "Narrow is the way". (These days, I also understand that according to some theologies, God may have predestined me for hell, all for his own glory. No matter what I think, God may put me in hell to illustrate his power and his glory.) Hence, even though my brain will not let go of the fact that I will miss the party (assuming ice ages, meteor strikes, world wars and other nasties will not happen), I agree with Krystin. Let the younger generation have their go at making their world. When my time is up, I will try to step off the planet with grace and understanding. Shake a fist at death but be stoic about it. And yeah. We are not living in ancient Israel, any more than we are living in ancient Rome nor medieval Europe.
Sorry to inform you but we are still living in Rome ruled by Roman culture. Militarism, decadence, elitism, immorality, child sexuality, slavery, we are living in modern ancient Rome.
This country was founded on the tenents of medieval Europe...consider the murders of suspected witches. The term witch hunt is still used by today's politicians who probably deserve it due to their evil, corrupt ways. However you make some great points, for the most part I agree with you.
@@Lupinemancer87 that’s why we enter this life and tether to a delusional ego that forgets and lives a “brand new life” and learns “new” things. Going mad is a coping mechanism. We are stuck in eternity as one but unlike the eternal afterlife some of the delusional minds create, it’s more of an ongoing adventure. Is it rebirth? Is it different stages? Do we take our ego and memories even if for sometime? Who knows who cares just enjoy the ride and be kind to others. Some are more lost and delusional then others.
I'm a deist (raised catholic, never been a big fan of organized religion), used to be a 'cafeteria christian' than about a month ago I found this chanel and others alike and...WTF?!? How I didn't see it before? I'm still shocked to think that Boy Cheezus will likely have the same fate of the forgotten gods worshiped in the far past, I really thought it would last 4ever till his promissed 2nd coming.😭
The way you let your guests talk is admirable. I wish more hosts did that. Mostly, they seem to be formulating their next outburst rather than listening to their guests.
I’ve not read all the comments, I may be repeating someone else’s comment. As a believer, which I was, one thinks, that the Holy Spirit confirms the accounts of the old and New Testament. They are taught, and they believe, that the Holy Spirit confirmation is what ties everything together. I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Thank you for all that you do. It’s because of you and others like you that have educated me, caused me to have the confidence to ask questions, and be able to let go of the dogma that I was taught. Keep up the good work. I look forward to your material. I do appreciate the sensitivity to recovering from religion. It has had trauma for me. And the realization that what I was taught, wasn’t real, it was and still is an unraveling of so much of who I thought I was.
Another GREAT video dear Tim Mills.❤ Very interesting! And thank you, Kristyn Whitaker Hood, for sharing your story. You are such a beautiful person on the inside & out. ❤Thank you both.
I began with a catholic background. Married a seventh day adventist. We found common ground with the sabbath issue as messianic Jews. I broke out of the religious matrix about 8 years ago after reading the bible cover to cover. Unfortunately my husband reverted back to the seventh day adventists cult. Could use some advice to help him break free of indoctrination
Unfortunately the true meaning of Jesus's teachings were turned into rhymes and riddles that confuse Bible scholars today. Jesus taught how to have life on earth and have it more abundtly. One scripture stands out to me. Jesus said, "depart from me for I never knew you." He meant, because of your egotistical mask you hide behind, I don't know the real you.
I've found that the more honest I'm with myself and others the easiest it is to make other people realise truth by themselves, or at least establish healthy boundaries. My family already acknowledged that they believed because it was convenient and prefer not to delve much into my reasons because they don't want to risk their faiths. This has lead to them not pushing anything to me anymore. And I also don't want to break their heart because losing your faith isn't easy for everyone.
I was raised SDA, fifth generation on my dad’s side. I realized it was nothing more than a human construct when I was 23 (I’m now 64) and got out. It was quite a journey undoing Adventism and becoming an autonomous individual, exciting and frightening. I’m sorry it’s affecting your marriage. 🥲
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Jews and* ***Arabs*** *Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* ("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.") *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."* (A UK-based study of ancient genomes finds ***Canaanites form over 90% of modern Lebanese ancestry, a trait they share with ancient Israelites)*** *"Ugarit - The Birthplace Of The Western Alphabet"* - Arab America *"Ugarit - New World Encyclopedia"* (Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or ***Elohim,*** a word ***later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity*** and translated into English as "God," in the singular. El, which was ***also the name of the God of Abraham,*** was described as an aged deity with white hair, seated on a throne.) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* (Read about Canaanite religion and El the chief or most high god of the Canaanite pantheon and the relationship of Canaanite religion to Israelite religion) *"In spite of their differences, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God - The Conversation"* *"6 Ways The Quran Has A Lot In Common With The Bible - All That's Interesting"* *"The Bible and Qur’an Are Very Similar Books | Griffin"* *"Walking by Moonlight: My Journey Out of Islam - The Ex-Muslim"* *"Why Islam is False - Atheist Republic"* *"Rebuttal to Shabir Ally : Its True! The Quran Borrowed Stories From Preexisting Sources"* *"Scientific Errors in the Quran - WikiIslam"*
Kristyn is right-I enjoy simpler, smaller things as well the older I get. You’re entering a great time in life. Once kids are raised, you can just be sometimes. I have a grandchild on the way, and that will be nine kinds of awesome ❤❤ I agree with you on just being kind to others. Tim, you are not alone in this process. I’m a lifelong Deep South resident, and even here, there are a lot of of in this process of leaving religion, or of it being in our rear view mirrors.
My family also went from Methodist to Assembly of God. Mom used to say how much she didn't like ritual. Every few years, we would change churches -- AoG, Bereans, nondenominational, back to AoG, onto a Presbyterian college. As a parent, my kids hated it more than I did. So much for church. Eventually, I began to deal with the deconstruction. It's not enough to just walk away. ❤ The heart needs healing from all of the sad nonsense.
My first name is spelled the same way, don't see that often! Great talk, i watch these interviews to remind myself to stay on my own path of truth...thank you.
I am an African man and had been a Christian Bible puncher for over a two decades and have had nasty brushes with bigotry, racism and white monopoly nasty experiences in church and social places. Then I had a hard look at what Christianity is supposed to promote - love, happiness and a total acceptance of humanity that, in the end would end up with me in that starry, golden celestial place called heaven. But the treatment that the white folks, both at church and social setting continued to be toxic as beliefs and cultures of both Africans and Europeans entered the ring and each one expected to have its own assumed as Christian. Obviously, the European narrative under which Africans were subjected to, prevailed, for most of the time and the African cultural practices continued to be trampled upon. This became very problematic as I could not transform who I was and be something I naturally couldn't be. I ended up wearing two hats and two faces - act white when with whites and African when with Africans - schizophrenic. But it is the social and political setup that pissed me off to the point of wondering who this God was who relentlessly promotes my being subjugated and trampled upon, everywhere. I wondered if "whites" were human given the stance and holier than though attitude they had and still have to blacks and if we all are human and therefore Christian could a heaven be our common destination? The open colonialism, neocolonialism by Europeans and the West in general left a lot to be deciphered. Why would white Christians not stand up to their governments who are stark racist toward blacks - everywhere! Why would white Christians not feverntly stand up against white monopoly as they do against LGBT or environment pollution! Why are white Christians not become "your brother's keepers" and become vocal against such stark racism against other races? The theft and mayhem, the rape and the lies, the diabolic plans of relentlessly killing whole communities in the Global South for their resources and the plans to wipe whole countries off the map like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Africa (France and USA) being the elephants in the room) I began to wonder who and what race, Adam and Eve were and if these two had been white folks, how did some of us emerge? If there were people before them, were they human and if human, why and how did these two suddenly become the first?
Hugs through the internet !! The thoughtfulness that comes through this comment is amazing. Hopefully the rebellion and frustration, that seems to be a part of this sharing, is carried through as motivation to fight! But gracefully, by showing others, as Gandhi and perhaps Jesus did, how to model the way to transform injustice. Best regards brother.
Pretty much all it took for me was going to a big healing crusade so pumped with faith I probably could have lifted a car and leaving empty handed and drained of faith. I left there physically the same way I arrived. That started my journey out of religious beliefs and superstition.
Thanks to the both of you for this. I was raise Methodist but was sent to Baptist School when I reached the 9th grade. Talk about a sea change. They tried their indoctrination. It worked for about 6 months until I realized what they were about. F women, F poor people and viscerally against choice. That decided it for me. I was raised in part by my Grandmother and great Aunt. They were part of the greatest generation. Roosevelt's programs helped bring them out of abject poverty. Thanks to them I had a good foundation to battle against the hate and intolerance that would often manifest itself back then in the early to mid 80s. Some kids thought social security was communism. LOL...Unreal. It was a truly surreal experience. There were good times too. But the school was arch conservative.
Girlllll!! Was it the one on rt. 11 like 10 minutes from Williamsport, MD!?? In Marlowe? We’re down in Inwood. There’s Presbyterians everywhere down here and church of the brethren too
"Christianity IS mythology" I mean, it's not wrong, Christianity is no different from all the other mythologies out there, all of which used to be religions in the past before Christians arrived and said, "Nope that is wrong we are right so accept our belief." Eventually, Christianity will also jon the ranks of myths people used to believe in, and the sooner the better, cuz right now it's the cause of so much harm and evil in our world.
I keep flipping between this channel and other athiest in nature channels, flipping back to the belief side of things like forums and pro-God videos, God not existing is still winning out. Regardless of the hundreds of thousands, and at times millions, of video views that these Christan channels get...well numbers don't matter when you're talking about a God that does not exist lol. Please keep making videos I listen to then at work and it's nice to hear from those who left belief
I was AG. I went to CBC. My best friend came out to me at the end of our freshman year. Over the next few years I watched him slowly spiral down into depression and despair. He couldn't "change" and he couldn't walk away. He took his own life at the end of our senior year.
The fact that Christianity is mythology makes it more real. We have been brainwashed into believing that myths are all false. We have to let go of believing that the only reality is historical fact. Time for all you ex-evangelicals to read Joseph Campbell and get comfortable with myth.
I agree. Myths are half truths or true lies that expresses its cultural beliefs. The bible is a myth only understood by its inherents. It appears to be filled with lies. However, god always tell the truth even when he lie.😁. You think jesus didnt die and rise from the dead. Think again. What goes up and come down? Your guess should be just as good as mine. We all should be guessing the exact same thing or on the same page. The stories in the bible put pictures in your head but distorted or abstract ones that dont give you a clear picture or clear knowledge of the truth. If you think that the story of the tower of Babel isnt true. Think again. 🤔
I remember the interview of Stephen Fry with a catholic interviewer, when ask what he would do if he found out that the christian god exists. His answer was "i would angrily ask him to explain, childhood illnesses, illnessess like cancer to effect innocent and good people, allowing famine, wars etc" and i am with him cause if god exists i want him to explain as well!
Yes, ‘tis only myth born of other myths. Sad to think of so much death and pain it has caused throughout history. Some nice music and stained glass, though. 😁
I know it’s work but it would be wonderful if you would add a book list to your description. There’s many books referenced and many that I’d like to read. I keep scrolling through the video trying to find particular books. Thank you
I have just added an author list to the video description. Pasting it here as well. I think this is all the authors we talked about .... Richard Carrier www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001K8LYEM/allbooks David Fitzgerald www.amazon.com/stores/author/B004ASD9M4/allbooks Earl Doherty www.amazon.com/stores/author/B00MMKLHL2/allbooks David Oliver Smith www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0BF38RYLF/allbooks Michael Lawrence www.amazon.com/stores/author/B087W2SKZ6/allbooks
Anything anyone tells you about God is immediately false. Even to say God is spirit is false. How do you know? Is God merely a spirit? Certainly not. He is all, therefore any specifics about him are incorrect already in premise let alone in specifics. Especially when someone claims God literally did something for them or told them something. A supposed all powerful being would have a literal infinite number of better ways to reveal something such as making us all born innately with the understandings we need of him.
I can't tell if you're an atheist or not. You say, "Anything anyone tells you about God is immediately false" and then go on to say that God is not spirit and that he is all things ever told and would never need to speak. Well, God is spirit. John 4:24 tells us this. And, fun fact: you too are spirit. Your body covers your spirit. In fact, you are not your body, rather, you are your spirit/soul. When you pass away, your spirit/soul will leave your body and you will continue to always exist as your spirit/soul. Where your spirit/soul will be for eternity is determined by whether or not you've accepted by faith Jesus' payment on the Cross for your sins. We have specifics about God because God did speak and He instructed those He spoke to to write down His Words to preserve them.
@@statesman6379You can only know what God isn’t. You are the one claiming what God IS. you take a book or a persons “revelation” as reality on God. Which is moronic to do. God has never been seen and never spoken what would an infinite being ever need to do or speak? Your God by your own bibles definition is ALL. He is all things noun and verb. Therefore he can never as an abstract entity ever interact in his own creation like some genie. He is you. He is me. He is the process of time. He is everything, he is nothing, as the Bible says He just IS (I AM) Jesus himself prayed his disciples understood this. That he has learned he was ONE with the Father. And that they should learn they too are ONE with him. Jesus talked about your and your religions idea about God. He told the Pharisees who followed that kind of God vipers. He called their God the enemy, even satan. Jesus father is not your biblical God. Also, reading bible verses at people doesn’t make your philosophy any less silly. You have the opinion that God is spirit and the opinion you are a spirit in a body. You are entitled to that opinion. But your opinion is not reality.
@@statesman6379 Can you help me understand why a loving god would create humans with limited capabilities compared to his omnipotence, and expect them to choose correctly so they don't burn eternally? Kinda seems like we hold the power, no? And according to the bible, only a few will be chosen... But honestly, i can only worry about the many who won't get into paradise. But God doesn't worry, since He makes the rules, enforces them and it is perfect, so don't ask questions with your mind He gave you! Many of us cannot equate this idea with love/care and do not trust those men who "wrote what he said" and composed the bible.
@@statesman6379 You're kidding around, right? You state your beliefs as facts, and back up your "facts" with scripture, which are stories written by men, but you believe to be the words of a supernatural ruler/creator/guardian. Can you see what a circular mess your thinking is? I have always resented believers telling me I sinned before I was born and a supernatural being sent his son to somehow pay for that. What a bunch of garbage. I have a question - if the big daddy god made this big gift and sent his son to die, but he knows everything, so he knew god junior would rise again in 3 days, what's the big deal?
@@statesman6379 Hold your horses cowboy 🤠 First, you have to show that the Bible is the word of any God or has any authority before you start quoting verses. If a Muslim quoted the Koran does that make Islam automatically true? Obviously not, and it's no different for Christianity. Since you suggested the gospel of John do you concede the following three facts ? 1. The Bible says John was illiterate and therefore couldn't't write a book? 2. It is the consensus amongst a majority of biblical scholars that the gospel of John was written in Greek by an anonymous author(s), who were not eye witnesses to Jesus , 60 -90 years after Jesus died? 3. The Johannine Comma , John verses 5:7-8 is an interpolation - ( like the story about the adulterous woman)- that was added to the gospel of John much later to try and validate the new concept of a Trinity?
As an ex-catholic, I can assure you that catholics don't picture themselves as eating the real flesh of Jesus and drinking his real blood. They know (because the church teaches them) that the host (or wafer) and the wine are just symbolic.
I’m not religious but I have no right to distract or discourage those that choose to believe …… after all no one knows for certain what is going on . YET, Something most definitely is !
The trouble with so many religions is that they do harm to others who do not believe the same as them. That is why religion is a problem. It is not a harmless eccentricity. I wish it were.
Are you for real. No one knows what is going on. 😂😂 If they dont they either have thier heads buried in the sand or up thier .....you know. But then again you may not. Ass. I guess that is what they mean by hidden in plain sight or out in the open where everybody can see it.
I voluntarily attended church until I realized that the only reason I was there was to socialize with other people. I was never this Jesus loving believer. I'm much happier just being a human being that tries to be empathetic and compassionate. I do think Jesus and I would have gotten along great if we sat down at a table together. We have a lot of the same thoughts.
Women are always less than in any church. I played recently in a church. I got paid with a year contract but they let go because I think I was Buddhist I did everything they ask never missed took so much time. The others were blown away because this happened. I think they couldn’t save me lol. I’m SGI Buddhist we have no gods heaven and hell are in us . We chant to elevate our life condition. Reality in inclusive You Me and environment are one . To create value is being a Buddha.Tell people the truth. Each person is worth all the treasures of the universe.We make the choice of good or bad actions. Cause and effect
I want to congratulate both participants in the discussion on their ability to overcome the indoctrination to which they were subjected. I know people still indoctrinated and refuse to consider any argument or evidence contrary to their indoctrination. How does help a person who is indoctrinated where any mention of the subject results in a fight.
26:00 Right on, helping people in need in order to get them into our belief system is an ugly cheap act. Even if we help other people because we want to be good people, we really help ourselves, on behalf of them.
On in Luke 1 chapter about Zachariah he was made as a priest by lots being casted as was the custom of the Levites but in Exodus it isn't written that way
I escaped Catholicism at birth 1960 being born with just enough diminished hearing to not fully comprehend 'commandments barked at me from the Lord Father of the dinner table from another room... Father also before my birth chose my name of Joe that rhymes with snow, show, grow, mow, go and know and NOOOO . I' liked bass harmony in church being directly next to father (also expected to be called dad) I should've had a tiny T shirt reading "EXAMPLE BOY. A show and tell object lesson to answer me the first time I call you to come running or out to the car waiting, again for dummy Joe. I was never once a Catholic in my youth like my siblings, thinking it's Christianity being brutally administered with tough guy love, tough love, or love . I'd rather be liked 98% of the time I break an object inside a house. Christian is a horrible word to be tagged with. I say .NO !!! YOU'RE IT !!!
Hi if you could get some representation of adult converts on your channel that’d be really great. To see how vulnerable adults can get indoctrinated and emotionally manipulated into this just like they do to kids. It’s important I think because there’s an onslaught of Christian testimonies from full-grown adults having “miraculous” experiences with Jesus and it’s spreading like wildfire as well as “revivals” etc. I truly believe if I hadn’t saturated my mind with these testimonies I probably wouldn’t have converted to Christianity during a time of mental unwellness.
Best invention vote I give for the poor man's music world in the last two decades I think goes to the Headphone cord High fidelity microphone. You got a deep voice to hear in a harmony quartet ? Then you can be not just heard but enjoyed and no one has to attend professional microphone holding media college any more. Yay !!!
Im new here but being a atheist for forty Plus years of denyinga god who loves us all i have continued to ask this so called supremed. To do the the ultimut miracle of healing all his children of there horric afflictions hunger disease war injuries but it never happened what a miracle if itt did
Several times in the interview she made it seem like she's old. She's only in her 50s which is relatively young. Also, like may people, she mentioned "millennial" when what she really meant was "Gen Z". The reality is that they are the ones who have/are taking over in many ways.
All the videos on this channel are saying "Christianity is just mythology", but all they mean by that is that the stories aren't true in the sense that they didn't happen. Does no one around here know about the C.S. Lewis' idea that myths are a genre of story that convey distilled, concentrated truth in story form? Has anyone around here heard that not all Christians have been or are biblical literalists and inerrantists?
I wish she’d get into a few more specifics. About twenty minutes in it felt she was repeating herself. Ten minutes I felt we were just going around in circles saying the same things in slightly different ways
I think it unwise to direct our search for truth in a way that would shun any direction outright, like mythicism. It's the kind of error that would disclude the truths that may be there. I am convinced that Jesus was historical, but honest search for truth can change that.
Yes, most probably a historical Jesus existed. But the gap between him and the Jesus of the gospels is as wide as the gap between Santa Claus and Nicholas of Myra
Kristyn is a wealth of knowledge, which is commendable. But she's all over the place. A little more focus would be appreciated. Also Richard Carrier in my opinion is arrogant & somewhat intolerant. He's worth listening to for a few videos but I got tired of his cocky, condescending attitude.
Agree about Carrier -- he comes off as a narcissist. Although he has some interesting things to say, his condescending attitude ruins his credibility (at least for me).
Channel is wonderful. Listened to this for an hour plus. Unfortunately, thumbs down this time. She jumps around too much. Not knowing her references means big confusion. I would hug her, but still thumbs down.
I wonder.....how ANY of us made it past the idea that a 'god' who supposedly created the universe & all its magic, would choose to deliver THE most IMPORTANT message of all time to the humans it created, through.............BOOKS..........that weren't EVEN written until DECADES after the supposed events took place? Then..........THEN...........HOW LONG did it take to TRANSLATE all of that BS into ALL of the languages spoken on our planet? WTF happened to all those people who fell through the cracks while this 'bible' was being written & while it was being 'translated' into their language?!@#$ And if you speak more than one language, you have a firm understanding of just how "TRANSLATION" works. The very idea that this text, from this god, NEEDED to be translated, is light years beyond SUSPECT. This is something FEW people, including Atheists, are discussing. This is the giant "religion-eating crocodile" in the room that few Atheists/Agnostics/Deconstructionists are talking about. Nothing else really matters beyond this point if one really grasps it. And it's pretty simple. I'm glad I got OUT of this black hole as soon as I did. I find it incredibly SAD that so many people WASTED SO MUCH of their precious lives dealing with this BS. Appreciate your work here, truly. Cheers
Unless you can prove that the resurrection of Jesus Christ - which is well documented through the ages - is not true. His apostles who witnessed his resurrection set the whole world on fire and the Christian Church is actually founded on Christ's resurrection.
Which is documented nowhere except the N.T. which comes out of Roman culture at a way later date than the crucifixion in Jerusalem. Paul persecuted a movement, not a man, except for Steven.
@@charleskennedy7951 Plenty of evidence for the resurrection: the apostles themselves, Jewish and Roman historians, ocular witnesses most of them were still alive when the apostle Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, and the early church fathers some of whom were themselves disciples of the apostles. Do some research.
A faked crusader relic from France in the 1300s susceptible to fire. Another application for divinity by the man made religion denied for obvious reasons. Next.
I know many of our Lord's enemies work night and day to discredit the shroud, the crown of thorns, the forty or so nails that have been recovered, and many of the other icons associated with our Savior. I was always hesitant to place too much stock in them, and my faith suffered as a result. What saved me was a trip to the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran, where I had a personal encounter with the Holy Foreskin. All doubts were instantly vanquished the moment I laid eyes on the chopped-off tip of His Holy Peepee.
I have watched a ton of these "Christianity is mythology" type videos. Though there have been times that I have deeply struggled with my belief in Christianity, none of these can answer one question for me. WHY would thousands upon thousands be willing to die for something they knew was not true? For an idea that they knew was fiction and mythology? Why would the disciples go to their deaths via execution defending something they knew was a lie? The only response I have seen was this new idea of the thousands of martyrs also being a myth - which we all know is a complete crock of crap. Still waiting on someone to provide me that answer.
I don't think people who die for their faith are dying for something they consider a lie. They consider it truth, and worth defending even to the point of death. Their willingness to die for what they perceive to be truth has nothing to do with whether the truth claims of the belief system are reality or not. People have died willingly for many different gods over millennia. That is evidence only of the history of them dying for their faith, not evidence of their worldview reflecting ultimate reality.
@@HarmonicAtheist Yes, but if Christianity is nothing but recycled mythology, then the apostles and the very early Christians would have been aware of this. Yet somehow, we are supposed to believe that they went to their deaths knowing that they were dying for a mythology that they had helped create? Does not make sense, but maybe that is just me.
@@freekoffhisleash Even the majority of Christians are not aware. What makes the Apostles any different? Who are you to say they would have been aware of this? I know hundreds of Christians that would give their lives tomorrow for Jesus if they thought they had to. And they'd claim it is the least they could do for their Savior who died for them. They don't know it's mythology. And the Apostles weren't the authors of their books either. Who knows who wrote those. I know plenty of Christians who have done the most vile things to others in the name of their God, it shows how they truly believe their God exists. I had one Christian friend whose sister treated her like crap because she wouldn't obey they commandment to honor thy mother and thy father. Their father abused her so she didn't honor him. The sister treated her horribly because of it. How messed up is this? You think she would do this if she knew it was all based on stories? It's no different than Apostles dying for the same God and Jesus. Christianity is what doesn't make sense, once you actually spend the time researching and using logic, common sense, and intelligence. They are perpetuating the myth because of their belief in it. Spreading the "Gospel", living out the scriptures in their daily lives, and forcing their beliefs onto others in society who want nothing to do with it.
From before I can remember, I was raised and brainwashed by Baptists. Regarding Tim's comments beginning at 1:11:23, I did not have to look at tribal cults in the middle of the jungle to find religions and cults that were "Oh, that's so weird." They were right there in our midst in the form of Methodists, Jews, Catholics, Episcopalians, etc. As a Baptist, I looked at them and thought how weird and misguided they were. After spending the first 30 years of my life as a devout Baptist, I became an atheist/agnostic and now look at the Baptists as the weirdest of all--even surpassing jungle tribal cults! My biggest regret in life is that I was raised in such a narrow, closed society that instilled such nonsense in me.
I know exactly what you mean. I was raised by Baptist hillbillys
I understand. I am 84 and raised a Baptist thinking we were the only ones and the rest were going to hell.
Yes, I was raised Baptist in the Bible Belt. Very indoctrinated. I attended a Christian School and even obtained my bachelor’s degree from a Christian university. I was in my thirties when I stopped believing that God existed. It takes quite a lot of time and work to deconstruct. Long process! So glad to be free from the fear of hell!
Religious indoctrination is moral harassment.
Instead of praying for people I do more for people. ❤ Love this.
Honest the only 2 times I was actively back stabbed at work, for a 'promotion' which may or not come through. Was by 2 born again Christians! Somehow it made sense to me!
One underlying, yet often over-looked aspect of religion, is the inherent external control mechanism that it is. Instead of encouraging people to think for themselves, religions of any type induce people to believe what they are told. It discourages inquiry and personal explorations. Political dogmatism is a very close, unthoughtful, unexamined vehicle for mind control. They both scare me equally.
Wow. I had to check your label to see it wasn’t me that had made your comment. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Tim, I'm with you. I still want to live forever. The biggest grief since leaving Christianity, for me, is losing eternal life and the possibility of being with loved ones again. I hold out hope that there's some kind of consciousness that lives on. I don't want to just disappear into darkness and cease to exist.
I feel the same. I resent death. I hate the thought that those I have loved and lost are nowhere now. But an eternity singing praises to this horrible narcissistic God? No way.
You never had eternal life, it was an empty promise. Christinanity convinces you that you are sick and says it can cure you, but only after doing all it wants you to do. It's a scam.
If you cease to exist, you probably won't regret not existing.
@@carolwilliams8511 Its sad that people have been so conditioned to believe the only two options are Christianity and Hard-headed materialism. I left Catholicism as a teen, passed through Buddhist/Eastern thought/ Studied Western Mysticism etc. Until finally I settled at just "spiritual but not religious" after having a few OBEs (out of body experiences) as a result of a deep meditation practice early on in my college years. In this OBE, I witnessed my friend walking down the path toward me dormitory, Immediately woke myself up and ran to the window, and there he was, walking right as I had seen while "away from my physical vehicle". I recommend watching NDErs talk about their experiences. and there are various forums dedicated to those who explore and have had "nonphysical experiences" without the baggage of organized religions. Belief/Faith are unnecessary when direct experience is possible, that includes Faith that the world is completely material, although scientists have known we're not material for quite some time (hello quantum physics).
Research all the various ndes there are, then research reincarnation stories, then go Research the "reincarnation soul trap"
Your welcome
Avoid the light
It's a trap
Any "God" who needs my dedicated love and sacrifice -- in order to care about me -- is not worthy of such.
It goes both ways. He is the father right? So why can’t he love us first? Why can’t he seek us first, if he actually exists?
You are crazy! He was beaten and crucified to save your sorry soul! All you have to do is believe and follow him! Watch hell is for real by bill Wiese!
You are talking about God like that, the creator of the universe, the creator of you. The star breathing God.He loves you so much He created you and then sent His Son being fully man and fully God to die for you, taking on all your sins, everyone's sins on the cross. To say He is not worthy of your love and sacrifice, well that is very sad that you even think that way. He loves you so much you can't even imagine.
@@carlafilbert631ohhh I soooo would have wanted not to exist as someone with Asperger that has had to deal with horrible mental health throughout my whole life. And if god was omniscient he definitely knew that so basically created me against my will. That's the worst possible start. And I find it horrible that such god requires blood sacrifices in order to "forgive" its own creation for being imperfect. If he loved us so much he wouldn't need to make a scene of torture the center of its religion so that we remember how dramatic and bloodthirsty "he" is
@@eprd313 My brother has Asperger's, and he is wonderful. He has his own issues, but so do I! He works, he goes to church, and our family is very blessed with him in our family! Disabilities don't make people less of a person. God loves my brother too, just like He loves you, even though you may not see it.
To think the moldy glue that holds most of Western society together (and shackles it) are interpretations of sky god mythology books.
"MUH SKYDADDY" ass atheist
Glad to see D M’s work get the attention she deserved, as well as to find this channel. Mythicism makes the most sense to me, having seen religions evolve in my almost six decades. Ideas get mixed, stirred, shaken, fused, split, and molded to suit different mindsets and cultures, which is probably the most human thing we do. These archetypal stories seem to come up again and again.
The meaning of life is "to give life meaning".
That's basically the core of my world view. However because of that, I also realize that how any individual chooses to do that is up to them. I have no leg to stand on in saying "You must give your life meaning how I say!" Sure, people can debate different things, and some ideas are more rational than others, but in the end, it's a personal journey.
Exactly 💯
I've been trying all my life what l found delusions false premises......
I feel like life is pointless. Not because I'm no longer Christian.
There have been kings and queens that have been forgotten in time
Bravo !!! BEST QUOTE EVER !!!
A palindromic premise of poetic beauty.
Eternal life. I just admit that I really, really, really do not want to die. Even at 73 I continue to enjoy life too much. I continue to appreciate what I have. I fear that when I die, I will miss out on the party. I really want to know how this or that will turn out. I really want to see this or that happen. My damn brain will not let go of the feeling that when I die, I will miss the party.
But when I am dead, I will cease to exist and so will not know.
Paradoxically, as a kid and young man I was actually afraid of death, because how did I know with 1000% certainty that I was saved. Maybe, at the judgement, Jesus would really say "I never knew you". Or as the bible says - "Narrow is the way". (These days, I also understand that according to some theologies, God may have predestined me for hell, all for his own glory. No matter what I think, God may put me in hell to illustrate his power and his glory.)
Hence, even though my brain will not let go of the fact that I will miss the party (assuming ice ages, meteor strikes, world wars and other nasties will not happen), I agree with Krystin. Let the younger generation have their go at making their world. When my time is up, I will try to step off the planet with grace and understanding. Shake a fist at death but be stoic about it.
And yeah. We are not living in ancient Israel, any more than we are living in ancient Rome nor medieval Europe.
Sorry to inform you but we are still living in Rome ruled by Roman culture. Militarism, decadence, elitism, immorality, child sexuality, slavery, we are living in modern ancient Rome.
This country was founded on the tenents of medieval Europe...consider the murders of suspected witches. The term witch hunt is still used by today's politicians who probably deserve it due to their evil, corrupt ways. However you make some great points, for the most part I agree with you.
Eternal life sounds terrible. I'd much rather live longer, like 200-300 years, while aging slower, then living forever.
100 percent
@@Lupinemancer87 that’s why we enter this life and tether to a delusional ego that forgets and lives a “brand new life” and learns “new” things. Going mad is a coping mechanism.
We are stuck in eternity as one but unlike the eternal afterlife some of the delusional minds create, it’s more of an ongoing adventure. Is it rebirth? Is it different stages? Do we take our ego and memories even if for sometime? Who knows who cares just enjoy the ride and be kind to others. Some are more lost and delusional then others.
I'm a deist (raised catholic, never been a big fan of organized religion), used to be a 'cafeteria christian' than about a month ago I found this chanel and others alike and...WTF?!? How I didn't see it before? I'm still shocked to think that Boy Cheezus will likely have the same fate of the forgotten gods worshiped in the far past, I really thought it would last 4ever till his promissed 2nd coming.😭
The way you let your guests talk is admirable. I wish more hosts did that. Mostly, they seem to be formulating their next outburst rather than listening to their guests.
I’ve not read all the comments, I may be repeating someone else’s comment. As a believer, which I was, one thinks, that the Holy Spirit confirms the accounts of the old and New Testament. They are taught, and they believe, that the Holy Spirit confirmation is what ties everything together. I greatly appreciate the work that you do. Thank you for all that you do. It’s because of you and others like you that have educated me, caused me to have the confidence to ask questions, and be able to let go of the dogma that I was taught. Keep up the good work. I look forward to your material.
I do appreciate the sensitivity to recovering from religion. It has had trauma for me. And the realization that what I was taught, wasn’t real, it was and still is an unraveling of so much of who I thought I was.
Another GREAT video dear Tim Mills.❤ Very interesting! And thank you, Kristyn Whitaker Hood, for sharing your story. You are such a beautiful person on the inside & out. ❤Thank you both.
I began with a catholic background. Married a seventh day adventist. We found common ground with the sabbath issue as messianic Jews. I broke out of the religious matrix about 8 years ago after reading the bible cover to cover. Unfortunately my husband reverted back to the seventh day adventists cult. Could use some advice to help him break free of indoctrination
Unfortunately the true meaning of Jesus's teachings were turned into rhymes and riddles that confuse Bible scholars today. Jesus taught how to have life on earth and have it more abundtly. One scripture stands out to me. Jesus said, "depart from me for I never knew you." He meant, because of your egotistical mask you hide behind, I don't know the real you.
Tovia Singer and his show Tanak Talk are dedicated to this. Both have channels on TH-cam and I bet you'll love them - possibly your husband.
@@JJ-jt4jibreak free from indoctrination
I've found that the more honest I'm with myself and others the easiest it is to make other people realise truth by themselves, or at least establish healthy boundaries. My family already acknowledged that they believed because it was convenient and prefer not to delve much into my reasons because they don't want to risk their faiths. This has lead to them not pushing anything to me anymore. And I also don't want to break their heart because losing your faith isn't easy for everyone.
I was raised SDA, fifth generation on my dad’s side. I realized it was nothing more than a human construct when I was 23 (I’m now 64) and got out. It was quite a journey undoing Adventism and becoming an autonomous individual, exciting and frightening. I’m sorry it’s affecting your marriage. 🥲
Letting go of gods allows me to be a better human.
How ironic. I guess you had to straighten out somethings or ppl hey.
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.***
*Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.***
***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service.
*"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"*
*"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"*
*"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"*
Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes.
From a Biblical scholar:
"Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."*
*"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Jews and* ***Arabs*** *Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."*
("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.")
*"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."*
(A UK-based study of ancient genomes finds ***Canaanites form over 90% of modern Lebanese ancestry, a trait they share with ancient Israelites)***
*"Ugarit - The Birthplace Of The Western Alphabet"* - Arab America
*"Ugarit - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or ***Elohim,*** a word ***later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity*** and translated into English as "God," in the singular.
El, which was ***also the name of the God of Abraham,*** was described as an aged deity with white hair, seated on a throne.)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."*
(Read about Canaanite religion and El the chief or most high god of the Canaanite pantheon and the relationship of Canaanite religion to Israelite religion)
*"In spite of their differences, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God - The Conversation"*
*"6 Ways The Quran Has A Lot In Common With The Bible - All That's Interesting"*
*"The Bible and Qur’an Are Very Similar Books | Griffin"*
*"Walking by Moonlight: My Journey Out of Islam - The Ex-Muslim"*
*"Why Islam is False - Atheist Republic"*
*"Rebuttal to Shabir Ally : Its True! The Quran Borrowed Stories From Preexisting Sources"*
*"Scientific Errors in the Quran - WikiIslam"*
Kristyn is right-I enjoy simpler, smaller things as well the older I get. You’re entering a great time in life. Once kids are raised, you can just be sometimes. I have a grandchild on the way, and that will be nine kinds of awesome ❤❤ I agree with you on just being kind to others. Tim, you are not alone in this process. I’m a lifelong Deep South resident, and even here, there are a lot of of in this process of leaving religion, or of it being in our rear view mirrors.
Reading Joseph Campbell was also one of the keys to my escape from AOG Christianity…
Yay, we love Kristyn!
Do something good for people. Be kind. ❤
Include the other animals too. We treat them so badly so often!
That’s really all we need for a moral code.
Ppl take my kindness for weakness.
My family also went from Methodist to Assembly of God. Mom used to say how much she didn't like ritual. Every few years, we would change churches -- AoG, Bereans, nondenominational, back to AoG, onto a Presbyterian college. As a parent, my kids hated it more than I did. So much for church. Eventually, I began to deal with the deconstruction. It's not enough to just walk away. ❤ The heart needs healing from all of the sad nonsense.
My first name is spelled the same way, don't see that often!
Great talk, i watch these interviews to remind myself to stay on my own path of truth...thank you.
Krystyn is a delightful thoughtful person. I’m loving hearing about her process.
I am an African man and had been a Christian Bible puncher for over a two decades and have had nasty brushes with bigotry, racism and white monopoly nasty experiences in church and social places. Then I had a hard look at what Christianity is supposed to promote - love, happiness and a total acceptance of humanity that, in the end would end up with me in that starry, golden celestial place called heaven. But the treatment that the white folks, both at church and social setting continued to be toxic as beliefs and cultures of both Africans and Europeans entered the ring and each one expected to have its own assumed as Christian. Obviously, the European narrative under which Africans were subjected to, prevailed, for most of the time and the African cultural practices continued to be trampled upon. This became very problematic as I could not transform who I was and be something I naturally couldn't be. I ended up wearing two hats and two faces - act white when with whites and African when with Africans - schizophrenic. But it is the social and political setup that pissed me off to the point of wondering who this God was who relentlessly promotes my being subjugated and trampled upon, everywhere. I wondered if "whites" were human given the stance and holier than though attitude they had and still have to blacks and if we all are human and therefore Christian could a heaven be our common destination? The open colonialism, neocolonialism by Europeans and the West in general left a lot to be deciphered. Why would white Christians not stand up to their governments who are stark racist toward blacks - everywhere! Why would white Christians not feverntly stand up against white monopoly as they do against LGBT or environment pollution! Why are white Christians not become "your brother's keepers" and become vocal against such stark racism against other races? The theft and mayhem, the rape and the lies, the diabolic plans of relentlessly killing whole communities in the Global South for their resources and the plans to wipe whole countries off the map like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Africa (France and USA) being the elephants in the room) I began to wonder who and what race, Adam and Eve were and if these two had been white folks, how did some of us emerge? If there were people before them, were they human and if human, why and how did these two suddenly become the first?
Hugs through the internet !!
The thoughtfulness that comes through this comment is amazing.
Hopefully the rebellion and frustration, that seems to be a part of this sharing, is carried through as motivation to fight! But gracefully, by showing others, as Gandhi and perhaps Jesus did, how to model the way to transform injustice.
Best regards brother.
Pretty much all it took for me was going to a big healing crusade so pumped with faith I probably could have lifted a car and leaving empty handed and drained of faith. I left there physically the same way I arrived. That started my journey out of religious beliefs and superstition.
Thanks to the both of you for this. I was raise Methodist but was sent to Baptist School when I reached the 9th grade. Talk about a sea change. They tried their indoctrination. It worked for about 6 months until I realized what they were about. F women, F poor people and viscerally against choice. That decided it for me. I was raised in part by my Grandmother and great Aunt. They were part of the greatest generation. Roosevelt's programs helped bring them out of abject poverty. Thanks to them I had a good foundation to battle against the hate and intolerance that would often manifest itself back then in the early to mid 80s. Some kids thought social security was communism. LOL...Unreal. It was a truly surreal experience. There were good times too. But the school was arch conservative.
Girlllll!! Was it the one on rt. 11 like 10 minutes from Williamsport, MD!?? In Marlowe? We’re down in Inwood. There’s Presbyterians everywhere down here and church of the brethren too
"Christianity IS mythology"
I mean, it's not wrong, Christianity is no different from all the other mythologies out there, all of which used to be religions in the past before Christians arrived and said, "Nope that is wrong we are right so accept our belief."
Eventually, Christianity will also jon the ranks of myths people used to believe in, and the sooner the better, cuz right now it's the cause of so much harm and evil in our world.
I keep flipping between this channel and other athiest in nature channels, flipping back to the belief side of things like forums and pro-God videos, God not existing is still winning out.
Regardless of the hundreds of thousands, and at times millions, of video views that these Christan channels get...well numbers don't matter when you're talking about a God that does not exist lol. Please keep making videos I listen to then at work and it's nice to hear from those who left belief
I'm 53, and though I still enjoy life, I'm getting more comfortable with the idea of death.
The process of dying I fear. It may very well be horrible.
Is this what they mean by societal collaspe. Ppl tired of working and living. They want to see peace hey.
This channel needs to clip some of these videos. More people will be drawn to the channel with a little taste first.
I was AG. I went to CBC. My best friend came out to me at the end of our freshman year. Over the next few years I watched him slowly spiral down into depression and despair. He couldn't "change" and he couldn't walk away. He took his own life at the end of our senior year.
Really enjoy your channel!
The fact that Christianity is mythology makes it more real. We have been brainwashed into believing that myths are all false. We have to let go of believing that the only reality is historical fact. Time for all you ex-evangelicals to read Joseph Campbell and get comfortable with myth.
So which kind of myths is real?
Is Thor real? Does he swing the hammer everytime its thunder?
its the freakin mono myth, and it IS false!
@@grimlund its a metaphor to rule. Rulers understand thor perfectly.
I agree. Myths are half truths or true lies that expresses its cultural beliefs. The bible is a myth only understood by its inherents. It appears to be filled with lies. However, god always tell the truth even when he lie.😁. You think jesus didnt die and rise from the dead. Think again. What goes up and come down? Your guess should be just as good as mine. We all should be guessing the exact same thing or on the same page.
The stories in the bible put pictures in your head but distorted or abstract ones that dont give you a clear picture or clear knowledge of the truth. If you think that the story of the tower of Babel isnt true. Think again. 🤔
@@Eric-ej3oy Metaphors by their very nature are not real.
I remember the interview of Stephen Fry with a catholic interviewer, when ask what he would do if he found out that the christian god exists. His answer was "i would angrily ask him to explain, childhood illnesses, illnessess like cancer to effect innocent and good people, allowing famine, wars etc" and i am with him cause if god exists i want him to explain as well!
Yes, ‘tis only myth born of other myths. Sad to think of so much death and pain it has caused throughout history. Some nice music and stained glass, though. 😁
It is. It’s all fake
No, its artificial intelligence.
DM Murdok was really cool.
I know it’s work but it would be wonderful if you would add a book list to your description. There’s many books referenced and many that I’d like to read. I keep scrolling through the video trying to find particular books. Thank you
I have just added an author list to the video description. Pasting it here as well. I think this is all the authors we talked about ....
Richard Carrier
www.amazon.com/stores/author/B001K8LYEM/allbooks
David Fitzgerald
www.amazon.com/stores/author/B004ASD9M4/allbooks
Earl Doherty
www.amazon.com/stores/author/B00MMKLHL2/allbooks
David Oliver Smith
www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0BF38RYLF/allbooks
Michael Lawrence
www.amazon.com/stores/author/B087W2SKZ6/allbooks
Thanks, just got the last two books on my kindle 😎
Anything anyone tells you about God is immediately false.
Even to say God is spirit is false. How do you know? Is God merely a spirit? Certainly not. He is all, therefore any specifics about him are incorrect already in premise let alone in specifics.
Especially when someone claims God literally did something for them or told them something. A supposed all powerful being would have a literal infinite number of better ways to reveal something such as making us all born innately with the understandings we need of him.
I can't tell if you're an atheist or not. You say, "Anything anyone tells you about God is immediately false" and then go on to say that God is not spirit and that he is all things ever told and would never need to speak.
Well, God is spirit. John 4:24 tells us this. And, fun fact: you too are spirit. Your body covers your spirit. In fact, you are not your body, rather, you are your spirit/soul. When you pass away, your spirit/soul will leave your body and you will continue to always exist as your spirit/soul. Where your spirit/soul will be for eternity is determined by whether or not you've accepted by faith Jesus' payment on the Cross for your sins.
We have specifics about God because God did speak and He instructed those He spoke to to write down His Words to preserve them.
@@statesman6379You can only know what God isn’t. You are the one claiming what God IS. you take a book or a persons “revelation” as reality on God. Which is moronic to do.
God has never been seen and never spoken what would an infinite being ever need to do or speak? Your God by your own bibles definition is ALL. He is all things noun and verb. Therefore he can never as an abstract entity ever interact in his own creation like some genie. He is you. He is me. He is the process of time. He is everything, he is nothing, as the Bible says He just IS (I AM)
Jesus himself prayed his disciples understood this. That he has learned he was ONE with the Father. And that they should learn they too are ONE with him.
Jesus talked about your and your religions idea about God. He told the Pharisees who followed that kind of God vipers. He called their God the enemy, even satan. Jesus father is not your biblical God.
Also, reading bible verses at people doesn’t make your philosophy any less silly. You have the opinion that God is spirit and the opinion you are a spirit in a body. You are entitled to that opinion. But your opinion is not reality.
@@statesman6379 Can you help me understand why a loving god would create humans with limited capabilities compared to his omnipotence, and expect them to choose correctly so they don't burn eternally? Kinda seems like we hold the power, no? And according to the bible, only a few will be chosen... But honestly, i can only worry about the many who won't get into paradise. But God doesn't worry, since He makes the rules, enforces them and it is perfect, so don't ask questions with your mind He gave you!
Many of us cannot equate this idea with love/care and do not trust those men who "wrote what he said" and composed the bible.
@@statesman6379 You're kidding around, right? You state your beliefs as facts, and back up your "facts" with scripture, which are stories written by men, but you believe to be the words of a supernatural ruler/creator/guardian. Can you see what a circular mess your thinking is? I have always resented believers telling me I sinned before I was born and a supernatural being sent his son to somehow pay for that. What a bunch of garbage. I have a question - if the big daddy god made this big gift and sent his son to die, but he knows everything, so he knew god junior would rise again in 3 days, what's the big deal?
@@statesman6379
Hold your horses cowboy 🤠
First, you have to show that the Bible is the word of any God or has any authority before you start quoting verses.
If a Muslim quoted the Koran does that make Islam automatically true? Obviously not, and it's no different for Christianity.
Since you suggested the gospel of John do you concede the following three facts ?
1. The Bible says John was illiterate and therefore couldn't't write a book?
2. It is the consensus amongst a majority of biblical scholars that the gospel of John was written in Greek by an anonymous author(s), who were not eye witnesses to Jesus , 60 -90 years after Jesus died?
3. The Johannine Comma , John verses 5:7-8 is an interpolation - ( like the story about the adulterous woman)- that was added to the gospel of John much later to try and validate the new concept of a Trinity?
the marvel universe offers more internal consistency than religion does
- Supreme Master HE WHO
Great show!😀
As an ex-catholic, I can assure you that catholics don't picture themselves as eating the real flesh of Jesus and drinking his real blood. They know (because the church teaches them) that the host (or wafer) and the wine are just symbolic.
I’m not religious but I have no right to distract or discourage those that choose to believe …… after all no one knows for certain what is going on . YET, Something most definitely is !
The trouble with so many religions is that they do harm to others who do not believe the same as them. That is why religion is a problem. It is not a harmless eccentricity. I wish it were.
Are you for real. No one knows what is going on. 😂😂 If they dont they either have thier heads buried in the sand or up thier .....you know. But then again you may not. Ass. I guess that is what they mean by hidden in plain sight or out in the open where everybody can see it.
@@carolwilliams8511 religion isnt and never is the problem. The problem is ppl who make them up.
I voluntarily attended church until I realized that the only reason I was there was to socialize with other people. I was never this Jesus loving believer. I'm much happier just being a human being that tries to be empathetic and compassionate. I do think Jesus and I would have gotten along great if we sat down at a table together. We have a lot of the same thoughts.
The good Samaritan did not need a God to do good.
That parable says nothing about that guy’s religion either way. Samaritans had essentially the same religion as the Jews.
@@patrick764 idiot you was triggered to respond. The priest was the religion that did not assist.
Yes it did.
Women are always less than in any church. I played recently in a church. I got paid with a year contract but they let go because I think I was Buddhist I did everything they ask never missed took so much time. The others were blown away because this happened. I think they couldn’t save me lol. I’m SGI Buddhist we have no gods heaven and hell are in us . We chant to elevate our life condition. Reality in inclusive You Me and environment are one . To create value is being a Buddha.Tell people the truth. Each person is worth all the treasures of the universe.We make the choice of good or bad actions. Cause and effect
Never heard of SGI BUDDHIST? What does SGI stands for?
I love this channel so awesome
You all should watch Rabbi Tovia Singer
Trust me as an ex fundie I get it totally
I want to congratulate both participants in the discussion on their ability to overcome the indoctrination to which they were subjected. I know people still indoctrinated and refuse to consider any argument or evidence contrary to their indoctrination. How does help a person who is indoctrinated where any mention of the subject results in a fight.
26:00 Right on, helping people in need in order to get them into our belief system is an ugly cheap act. Even if we help other people because we want to be good people, we really help ourselves, on behalf of them.
"Lysanias," (who supposedly) was a contradiction according to what Josephus took and wrote and which is written on in Luke 3:1 verse
On in Luke 1 chapter about Zachariah he was made as a priest by lots being casted as was the custom of the Levites but in Exodus it isn't written that way
I escaped Catholicism at birth 1960 being born with just enough diminished hearing to not fully comprehend 'commandments barked at me from the Lord Father of the dinner table from another room... Father also before my birth chose my name of Joe that rhymes with snow, show, grow, mow, go and know and NOOOO . I' liked bass harmony in church being directly next to father (also expected to be called dad) I should've had a tiny T shirt reading "EXAMPLE BOY. A show and tell object lesson to answer me the first time I call you to come running or out to the car waiting, again for dummy Joe. I was never once a Catholic in my youth like my siblings, thinking it's Christianity being brutally administered with tough guy love, tough love, or love . I'd rather be liked 98% of the time I break an object inside a house. Christian is a horrible word to be tagged with.
I say .NO !!! YOU'RE IT !!!
Clever lady
Hi if you could get some representation of adult converts on your channel that’d be really great. To see how vulnerable adults can get indoctrinated and emotionally manipulated into this just like they do to kids. It’s important I think because there’s an onslaught of Christian testimonies from full-grown adults having “miraculous” experiences with Jesus and it’s spreading like wildfire as well as “revivals” etc. I truly believe if I hadn’t saturated my mind with these testimonies I probably wouldn’t have converted to Christianity during a time of mental unwellness.
I hope you'll bring on Tim O'Neil of History for Atheists to talk about earl doherty, robert price and acharya s.
Best invention vote I give for the poor man's music world in the last two decades I think goes to the Headphone cord High fidelity microphone. You got a deep voice to hear in a harmony quartet ? Then you can be not just heard but enjoyed and no one has to attend professional microphone holding media college any more. Yay !!!
What is the name of the book you held up at 44 min?
Sorry, can you clarify the exact timestamp?
44 min and 30 seconds
Im new here but being a atheist for forty
Plus years of denyinga god who loves us all i have continued to ask this so called supremed. To do the the ultimut miracle of healing all his children of there horric afflictions hunger disease war injuries but it never happened what a miracle if itt did
Several times in the interview she made it seem like she's old. She's only in her 50s which is relatively young.
Also, like may people, she mentioned "millennial" when what she really meant was "Gen Z". The reality is that they are the ones who have/are taking over in many ways.
All the videos on this channel are saying "Christianity is just mythology", but all they mean by that is that the stories aren't true in the sense that they didn't happen.
Does no one around here know about the C.S. Lewis' idea that myths are a genre of story that convey distilled, concentrated truth in story form? Has anyone around here heard that not all Christians have been or are biblical literalists and inerrantists?
I wish she’d get into a few more specifics. About twenty minutes in it felt she was repeating herself. Ten minutes I felt we were just going around in circles saying the same things in slightly different ways
I think it unwise to direct our search for truth in a way that would shun any direction outright, like mythicism. It's the kind of error that would disclude the truths that may be there. I am convinced that Jesus was historical, but honest search for truth can change that.
Nah he was made up. It all made up, even if there was a God with evidence I'd believe. But I wouldn't worship it
Yes, most probably a historical Jesus existed. But the gap between him and the Jesus of the gospels is as wide as the gap between Santa Claus and Nicholas of Myra
P.s. he's where i was ten year's ago
Kristyn is a wealth of knowledge, which is commendable. But she's all over the place. A little more focus would be appreciated. Also Richard Carrier in my opinion is arrogant & somewhat intolerant. He's worth listening to for a few videos but I got tired of his cocky, condescending attitude.
Agree about Carrier -- he comes off as a narcissist. Although he has some interesting things to say, his condescending attitude ruins his credibility (at least for me).
When was the last time someone was killed with a golf club
2020. RIP Joel.
Just yesterday.
Channel is wonderful. Listened to this for an hour plus. Unfortunately, thumbs down this time. She jumps around too much. Not knowing her references means big confusion. I would hug her, but still thumbs down.
I wonder.....how ANY of us made it past the idea that a 'god' who supposedly created the universe & all its magic, would choose to deliver THE most IMPORTANT message of all time to the humans it created, through.............BOOKS..........that weren't EVEN written until DECADES after the supposed events took place? Then..........THEN...........HOW LONG did it take to TRANSLATE all of that BS into ALL of the languages spoken on our planet? WTF happened to all those people who fell through the cracks while this 'bible' was being written & while it was being 'translated' into their language?!@#$ And if you speak more than one language, you have a firm understanding of just how "TRANSLATION" works. The very idea that this text, from this god, NEEDED to be translated, is light years beyond SUSPECT. This is something FEW people, including Atheists, are discussing. This is the giant "religion-eating crocodile" in the room that few Atheists/Agnostics/Deconstructionists are talking about. Nothing else really matters beyond this point if one really grasps it. And it's pretty simple. I'm glad I got OUT of this black hole as soon as I did. I find it incredibly SAD that so many people WASTED SO MUCH of their precious lives dealing with this BS. Appreciate your work here, truly. Cheers
This is definitely something to consider and makes a lot of sense. Would be interesting to see some discussion on this.
Unless you can prove that the resurrection of Jesus Christ - which is well documented through the ages - is not true. His apostles who witnessed his resurrection set the whole world on fire and the Christian Church is actually founded on Christ's resurrection.
Which is documented nowhere except the N.T. which comes out of Roman culture at a way later date than the crucifixion in Jerusalem. Paul persecuted a movement, not a man, except for Steven.
@@charleskennedy7951 Plenty of evidence for the resurrection: the apostles themselves, Jewish and Roman historians, ocular witnesses most of them were still alive when the apostle Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, and the early church fathers some of whom were themselves disciples of the apostles. Do some research.
It has yet to be proven that it IS true.
So you had a talk with the authors ! I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU! 'gave life to Jesus' REALLY?
God bless you!
Shroud of Turin
A faked crusader relic from France in the 1300s susceptible to fire. Another application for divinity by the man made religion denied for obvious reasons. Next.
What about it?
I know many of our Lord's enemies work night and day to discredit the shroud, the crown of thorns, the forty or so nails that have been recovered, and many of the other icons associated with our Savior. I was always hesitant to place too much stock in them, and my faith suffered as a result.
What saved me was a trip to the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran, where I had a personal encounter with the Holy Foreskin. All doubts were instantly vanquished the moment I laid eyes on the chopped-off tip of His Holy Peepee.
Okay but how could a loving God send people to hell, and he said most if they don't follow his gospel and 10 commandments?
I have watched a ton of these "Christianity is mythology" type videos. Though there have been times that I have deeply struggled with my belief in Christianity, none of these can answer one question for me. WHY would thousands upon thousands be willing to die for something they knew was not true? For an idea that they knew was fiction and mythology? Why would the disciples go to their deaths via execution defending something they knew was a lie? The only response I have seen was this new idea of the thousands of martyrs also being a myth - which we all know is a complete crock of crap. Still waiting on someone to provide me that answer.
I don't think people who die for their faith are dying for something they consider a lie. They consider it truth, and worth defending even to the point of death. Their willingness to die for what they perceive to be truth has nothing to do with whether the truth claims of the belief system are reality or not. People have died willingly for many different gods over millennia. That is evidence only of the history of them dying for their faith, not evidence of their worldview reflecting ultimate reality.
@@HarmonicAtheist Yes, but if Christianity is nothing but recycled mythology, then the apostles and the very early Christians would have been aware of this. Yet somehow, we are supposed to believe that they went to their deaths knowing that they were dying for a mythology that they had helped create? Does not make sense, but maybe that is just me.
...brainwashing is a very dark wonder isnt it?
@@freekoffhisleash Even the majority of Christians are not aware. What makes the Apostles any different? Who are you to say they would have been aware of this? I know hundreds of Christians that would give their lives tomorrow for Jesus if they thought they had to. And they'd claim it is the least they could do for their Savior who died for them. They don't know it's mythology. And the Apostles weren't the authors of their books either. Who knows who wrote those. I know plenty of Christians who have done the most vile things to others in the name of their God, it shows how they truly believe their God exists. I had one Christian friend whose sister treated her like crap because she wouldn't obey they commandment to honor thy mother and thy father. Their father abused her so she didn't honor him. The sister treated her horribly because of it. How messed up is this? You think she would do this if she knew it was all based on stories? It's no different than Apostles dying for the same God and Jesus. Christianity is what doesn't make sense, once you actually spend the time researching and using logic, common sense, and intelligence. They are perpetuating the myth because of their belief in it. Spreading the "Gospel", living out the scriptures in their daily lives, and forcing their beliefs onto others in society who want nothing to do with it.