probably because apple is the only company a normal consumer would know thats releasing a headset in the pricerange that could afford these kind of displays. (i assume they aint cheap)
Kinda weird, why Apple seems to be the *singular* focus of this Video. Yes they are _one_ customer of Samsung Display, but they're far from the only one, as basically every manufacturer of the devices with modern screens (like Samsung Electronics, Google, OnePlus and many others) is their manufacturer and Apple isn't even close to the most innovative/an early adopter (new Samsung Display technologies often only appear in Apple devices after many years, like it has been for OLED on phones or foldable displays). I mean it makes total sense to mention Apple, but it's really confusing why this whole video sounds more like they wanted a marketing video they could send to Apple, than a video that is directed at the viewer...
@@officialANON001 You can't even read, I clearly explained that in the comment. And no not only Apple would buy them (if they even do), but this will most likely be an integral part of all of the 2024 refreshes of Pixel and Galaxy phones and basically everything else on the market at this point. They are not Apple exclusive and especially the folding stuff is something that Apple won't carry for years to come.
@@cromefire_ I am primarily referencing the headset display tech. Which other companies will not be using anytime soon. Apple on the other hand could use it within the next 2 years.
@@officialANON001 Yeah well that would not have been as weird to talk about Apple in the Headset market (even if it's probably DOA), but in the laptop and phone market, you can of course also talk about Apple, but definitely not _only_ about Apple, it's especially weird to do that for foldables, as Apple is the only company high end smartphone company to *not* have one and we'll be seeing the updated tech in Samsung, Google and Xaomi phones soon. Same thing with Laptops, Asus and Co. are their customers, Apple primarily uses LG there I think.
I am confused on why they kept referencing Apple at the Samsung booth, that definitely felt forced ... Did Apple recently buy into Samsung or something?
@@holdenhodgdon3756it’s cus of the apple vision pro. With Apple focusing into a glass that will focus on both AR and VR aspect, using this glass in them will get a much better result. Plus Apple is one of the biggest customers of Samsung Display and so they’re chances of incorporating this display in their VR glasses would be great. Imgaine how much of a size reduce they’ll be able to get along with better visual and performance results using this type of display
I mean in terms of Displays no one comes close. it's like Nvidia of Displays while LG is like AMD. LG for years had their WOLED for larger screens and Samsung operated in smaller screens with AMOLED. but with QD-OLED Samsung has changed the game. not just taken over the TVs and Monitor Displays from LG but also entered the laptop segment too. they are also at the top of MICROLED tech (SAMSUNG WALL), once they manage to shrink it down and make it more affordable, it is just game over.
@@ExtinctInsanity I remember late 90ties early 2000s the last generations of CRT monitors of Samsung were suddenly really great and not just a reasonable low-budget brand anymore.
@@MarcSpctr QD Oled still has the burn in issues after only a year of use while LG's WOLED is increasingly getting brighter and more reliable with nearly identical picture quality and saturation. Their new META 2.0 displays are going to be even longer lasting now too with improved MLA. For microLED it's a toss up between Sony and Samsung. I think if Samsung can combine MLA with Qd-OLED they will have the best display ever. Unfortunately it is patented technology
@@amazin7006 I have Sony QD-OLED panel, for well over a year now, no burn-in whatsoever. I heard to rumors, thus tested on my TV, and no burns. Picture quality is way superior to WOLED as well, I checked it myself as I also have previous sony TV as well that used LG panels. Yes, even that doesn't have any burn in yet and that is way past 5 years old. Maybe some TVs did have a manufacturing defect on Samsung's side, hope they fix it for anyone that has been affected. but I can say for sure, QD-OLED panels are just a league different from WOLED. If you haven't seen it in person, you won't understand it. Do visit a Mall/Showroom or someplace where they keep both display types like Wal-Mart or something like that edit: also I don't understand what you said about Sony and MicroLED, as I don't think Sony makes Displays. There are only 2 display makers globally, Samsung and LG and one more in CHINA, but their quality is way bad, and almost no big tech company uses theirs so it's like they don't exist outside of China.
We've had displays with 2500 PPI for a while. Over a decade. They've been used in the viewfinder of mirrorless cameras. For example, my Sony A7iv has a 120hz OLED in the eye piece. I guess they're just now being adapted for VR headsets.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.
@@officialANON001bro you've made over 50 comments on this video saying the same thing calm down. I know what Samsung Display is, it doesn't change fact that its very odd for LTT to be mentioning one of their customers every other sentence for the entire video, it feels really forced.
@@EoRdE6 I made 50 comments because people do not seem to understand what CES is or that samsung display is a seperate company. They mention Apple because they are the only ones that will use the new displays for headsets. CES is just a chance for companies to advertise new products to consumers and other companies. It is an exclusive event for that reason. Every video is some form of an AD either paid, scripted, or for bettering relations.
I assume it's a way to exaggerate that this is Samsung Display (main apple display supplier) - a wholly seperate company from Samsung Electronics, just without having to specifically explain the difference, mention all the other customers they have etc...
If I understand Apples marketing talk, the Vision Pro does utilize a CMOS display. So, you won't have to wait for the second gen as the first already has it, just have to wait for it to actually sell in a couple weeks.
Considering the brightness and pixel density it does line up that they're using one. It's speculated to be from Sony, which already has a Micro OLED On Silicon, since late 2022 if I'm not mistaken. The specs on the Vision Pro actually has similar pixel density(~3400 vs 3500) and higher brightness(5000nits vs 3500) than the one Linus looked at here, so this one from Samsung isn't even the newest or the most bleeding edge I believe. Part of the reason it's even that expensive honestly since barely anyone is using it
@@notlekrut Yeah and it's rumored the limiting factor of how many headsets they can make is by how many displays Sony can make. If Samsung is better at cranking out product, they might get the bid for screens in Apple Vision version 2
Funny how he is talking about the OLED-on-silicon-displays with 3500 dpi at 1:22. That is exactly what the Apple Vision pro already uses, but made by Sony. At the moment Sony is the only manufactur that offer these, which is a problem for Apple because the production of the displays is limited. And I have heard that Apple pays 100$ to Sony for just one display.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.
0:47-0:53 this is misleading. The primary objective of the optics in an HMD is to focus the display into the users eye, not fill their field of view; and Pancake lenses specifically are what incur a brightness loss, not just any lens
Every lens does lose some light because you have at least 2 material transitions (air - glass and glass - air) and any transition of material loses a bit of light, due to reflections and imperfections. The better the lens, the lower the losses generally, every material has imperfections and those either absorb light or refract it into other directions. Also as consumers don't really want huge headsets, it's pretty clear that there's no way around something like pancake lenses in the future, as they use less space.
@@cromefire_ That's all correct, but that's not the point I was trying to communicate. Not every LTT viewer will know about pancake lenses, which are specifically the reason why display manufacturers are investing in brighter displays.
Yeah, the first to micro-OLED VR headsets that came out (Arpara and BigScreen Beyond) already showcased many of the benefits (though the Arpara was crap in many other ways), really hoping to see more headsets with newer and better micro-OLEDs being used in the future.
Only question is can you actually drive a screen that pixel dense across a wide FOV with current GPU in a VR scenario - I'd suspect that it isn't very possible when doing all the 3d rendering for stereo vision too. Though foveated rendering or just keeping the FOV small will help, and even if you are rendering at a lower resolution and upscaling its going to look pretty darn good compared to the current displays. Really hoping the tech makes it to a VR headset soon as I've been in the market for an upgrade for a long long time now and keep putting it off for one reason or other (still using the original Vive).
@@foldionepapyrus3441 The BigScreen Beyond already is a pretty high resolution unit in terms of pixels per degree of FOV, and people seem to be able to run that. We don't really have to infinitely increase the PPD, but even just improving the persistence, brightness etc. that current micro-OLEDs struggle with a bit would be ace.
Sony makes microOLED screens with similar (in PlayStation VR2) and much larger (Apple Vision Pro) resolution. Samsung is just catching up to Sony here.
Goes to a Samsung booth and says Apple about a million times... I honestly couldn't care less what Apple does apart from whatever their next insane change will be that everyone else will adopt.
The color saturation tech is a bit like following the eye and blurring everything that it's not looking at tech, both really cool when they actually get widely adopted.
"Apple should really use OLED built on a CMOS process for a headset!" Isn't... isn't that what they're already doing? And at a much higher resolution? (estimated 3440x3440 vs 1920x1080 per eye)
The whole video is just so weird and it seems all editors have no ideas about the current OLED industry situation. Apple Vision Pro is using Sony OLEDoS and the SDC new technology Apple is going to use this year is Tandem OLED.
Yeah this is exactly what they are doing, although he mentioned this one has 3500 pixels per inch but Vision Pro is just under that at 3,386 pixels per inch. But either way it is the same process.
I still remember a meeting several years ago at CES with different tech youtubers. Linus was asked how many videos he had done at the show and he answered smth like “seventeen”. Silent respect.
That's exactly why almost everyone should wait for the second gen Vision Pro. Not only does Apple have a very poor track record for first gen products, but the product category is still so new that its still advancing so fast
@@thunderingeagleI can kinda confirm. Use a iPad pro, and personally the hardware seems to be kinda bottlenecked by the software. Samsung has things like DeX and whatnot while iPad just feels like a bigger and less refined iPhone, with amazing hardware but not many ways you can make use of it.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.
So whats the actual difference to sonys oled microdisplays except the brightness? Sony used basically its image sensor silicon process for these displays, so they're also displays created from silicon semiconductors. Sony right now are the only ones that can produce these at scale and therefore is probably the supplier for Apple in the first gen visionPro
Brightness and power consumption to reach that brightness is way more important for XR devices than you’d think. Sony giving Apple Vision Pro (Gen 1) around 5000 nits displays. Needing dual stack white OLED with microlenses just to get there. Far from the 10,000 nits these microdisplays reach with just a single emitter stack and NO microlenses
@@officialANON001 since when does apple put brand new tech on anything ? They have high quality, but they never take risky move like putting the shiny new tech in a device. Those aren't for apple none of them. Even if they are a huge client, not for this kid of tech-demo product.
@@vlycop7404 For Iphone no due to having to make too many. However for vision pro they are using the best possible displays. The new headset displays could bew used on the second gen. No other company is currently working on a super high priced VR line of products without a focus on gaming.
Oh hey! I used to own eMagin stock for years before they got bought out (took a big loss on it tho)! Their oled brightness has been the best for a good bit of years now for headsets, and they've had some cool old publications about their tech. Unfortunately, they were too small to scale up fast enough to take over the VR display market. Hope the samsung buyout does mean there will finally be consumer headsets using their tech tho!
WHY APPLE? Since if Apple adopts something, it becomes barred from use by everyone else for at least 3 years. So why APPLE? At least Samsung is better at sharing.
Because their laptops are the closest to perfection, they perform well, they last all day, they're super thin, the sound quality is breaking the physics of such small size, all they need is cutting edge screens and they would be the perfect laptop.
Because everyone copies apple and competition is good? They can't control who uses the displays anyway.
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Because apple actually pays for quite a lot of development. Look up the folded soft oled controller developed for the iphone x and the LTPO, which samsung dislays ended up manufacturing for the iphones in the end
Great content and awesome previews from Samsung and coverage from LTT. Whoever was doing camera for Adam should've corrected the focus to the displays that Adam was talking about, I noticed that some of the content he was talking about was blurry while Adam was in focus the whole time.
@@cromefire_ Yeah, and certainly Samsung display even is the supplier for screens on existing apple devices like the iPhone, but you still think that Samsung display would probably rather highlight the Samsung electronics applications of their technology over spotlighting 3rd party companies like apple. It’s clearly an editorial spin constructed by lmg.
@@jacksontint Nah Samsung Display doesn't care much about Samsung Electronics, but I'd they want to highlight that they have a huge variety of products and also how their existing customers already use that technology that's now updated.
That direct to silicon display tech is super interesting, seldom am I that impressed with display stuff, drip, drip, drip release roadmaps. This seems like a quantum step forward.
Its been a while since a really good looking vr headset that is dedicated to pcvr has launched. With all the new display tec coming out im exited for the next gen
please god I hope its not standalone but just a streaming headset, we dont have the tech or physics to make them lightweight, so why not just use PC for processing.... why is this standalone trend continuing is beyond me@@madness1931
@@TehSquiddleDiddle I've been waiting for Index 2 since like 2020. About 4 months ago I lost every hope we'll see a new Steam headset in the near future and just bought a Vive Pro 2 with the wireless adaptor to replace my OG Vive from 2018.
we need more micro OLED manufacturers. The reason Apple vision Pro is so expensive is because of the low volume and expense of the displays. wearable displays will be the future.
Sorta reminds me of those micro-CRTs on old video recorders from the 80s and 90s. I used one in a project once, before I learnt how CRTs work. Blasting electrons directly at your eyeball was a great idea, we should bring it back.
You realize you're not actually blasting electrons at your eyes right lol, it only goes as far as the outer layer of phosphors, CRTS are far more eye friendly than LED light, not to mention the modulation method of CRT is much more gentle on the eyes thanks to the rolling-scan, LED on the other hand pulses on and off, cause the eyes to constantly contract on/off/on/off up to hundreds of times a minute. CRTs aren't just better looking and performing than LCD/LED tech, they are healthier too, the more you know.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Point is why would you tell Apple to implement that on a headset you haven't even seen. Linus has no point of reference to what the Apple headset is even like.
@@officialANON001 If only samsung display was in the same group as another company that sell monitor, tv, computer, phone etc... They could even call that company Samsung Electronics... Also Apple is 10 year behind in term of tech, they can't release everything at once, they need to convince people to upgrade every year
@@dustinharvey7394 Apple would be doing nothing for the industry by just making another Quest. They are making the most advanced headset they possibly can to open as many doors as possible. They need to convince people how amazing the tech is before they convince the 220 million people that buy iPhone and Apple watches that they need to buy this too.
@@dustinharvey7394at least the competitors can learn from apples implementation for better user experience (like eye tracking and navigation). Although i dread the competition taking the WRONG inspiration from apple's headset. (For example "the notch" on smartphones)
@@dustinharvey7394 They kind of already have, the entire high-end segment of the XR market got disrupted. Various conglomerates (Google and Samsung in particular) are getting into the high-end XR market to compete with Apple. Varjo, which is one of the few high-end VR companies, has effectively cut their prices in half gen-on-gen (XR3 to XR4) while still making major advancements. It is likely that this mostly happened because of the downward price pressure by Apple. The sheer R&D that is being crammed out in the high-end this generation will inevitably benefit consumer products next-gen. If this is what $3000-4000 HMDs look like in 2024, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Meta Quest 4 and the Valve Deckard will be all about.
an early look at the micro oled tech can be seen in some of those fun "AR" glasses like the xreal air. the display technology in them is amazing, it is the software support they have produced that just isn't great. Using them as a monitor is currently a better experience than using them as AR glasses for this reason. with a somewhat recent firmware update the xreal air(a 1080p display) can now do 120hz refresh and it looks really good, thier nebula software on phones just isn't very good and lacks a lot of things that would make it useful. That being said pairing it with a pc and using it as a monitor watching media and playing games with them can be a pretty good experience.
@@ChrisD__they are, though the reason i bring up the nreal/xreal air is they have the same claimed pixel density and get 120hz refresh at a lower price point(the previous model is under 300usd at the time of writing this and the newr ones aren't a big improvement newer go up to 500nits brightness, have better built in audio, and are slightly lighter) they can be used as an ar headset through the nebula software which is very limited or at least was last time i looked into it and there is a git to use them with steam vr which is pretty cool. the displays are from sony though so similar tech but not the same tech maybe?
I really dont like how the made this whole video kind of centered around apple adopting these new display technologies, not sure if yall were memeing or what but dont make a Samsung thing all about apple.
Did this suddenly become an Apple channel? I will never buy an Apple product and the same goes for the vast majority of the people who watch this channel.
@@officialANON001 Samsung is the #2 panel maker in the world. It's LG then Samsung. Apple may buy a lot of Samsung's panels but so do a lot of other people. Maybe don't talk about something you have no idea about.
@@KenS1267 Yes they are and Apple is their biggest customer. When I say only Apple would buy these I am referencing the new panels for headsets. No other company has anything in the pipeline that could utilize them.
amazing tech, but I don't get it why you guys were so decided on turning a video about Samsung products on a video about Apple. a few examples of how each technology can be used by other companies is fine, but making a whole video about it is a little stretch, don't you think?
Yeah that M2 in the vision pro is pretty weak compared to something like a PC (which is also where games actually are...) and it won't be able to make use of anything out of the Apple ecosystem, so it'll be a paperweight pretty fast and you'll also have to buy into Apple's ecosystem...
@@cromefire_ What? Of course its not as powerful to a PC its a tiny chip in a headset. Also the headset is not focused on gaming at all. It does not even have a controller. I think you are confused on the target market.
@@officialANON001 Yeah, they _try_ to target a different market. But in the end I'd say over 50% of the VR market is Gaming and it's unlikely that they will be able to get a foothold into industries as well, as they face both issues with actually useful things to do (yes they demo this stuff every year, but that's it, I've never seen anyone actually use this) and software as Apple doesn't really have a foothold in software in the industry, it's all Windows on the client side and the vision pro can't connect to Windows obviously. And I mean in industry, the supposed "target market" you don't need the creepy eye thing or the nice looking OLEDs, a cheap Quest 3 or even Quest Pro will be more than sufficient, especially if you do want more than a few of them. If they did target that market I think they just missed it by a mile...
Like he said, they sell the most amount of laptops per year so it makes sense to call out the most popular laptop company to use the latest of tech, especially knowing Apple is already Samsung's biggest customer for screens.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. The only company on this planet that will use those are Apple so why talk about anyone else.
I feel like without the need for daily videos on the main channel that these weird showcases from these events now are posted on shortcircuit instead of the main channel, lol
I understand the sentiment. But the point of this video is that there’s a high price point for such a display technology. Apple is the company that could bring this to market. Linus just wants to see someone do it.
LTT could probably have their own CES booth with lesser known vendors queueing up to have their stuff reviewed. Example: Jonathan Horst in the "Chef" role and supplicants offering their wares to him for approval.
These are all prototyped technologies, none of these things are products that are actively being sold. They are just reporting on emerging technologies.
this video feels like samsung told them to call on apple to use their displays in their products knowing that apple is going to switch to chinese companies like BOE for their future displays. they already decided to go with sony for their VR displays which also according to them will have 4000ppi which is higher than what samsung is advertising here. and even then, apple is looking at BOE and other chinese brands for their microOLED for future headsets due to mass manufacturing costs and meet demands.
CS2 will be crazy when flashbanged with a 10.000 nit OLED display!
Real like never before 😂
So immersive!
Get flashbanged in game, feel it irl
10,000nits 2% / 200nits 100% haha 200nits flashbang on a 10,000nits display
Quick math@@ameserich
I’m so confused as to why you are talking about Apple so much. Is this a meme?
Clicks.
No, most likely Samsung asked ltt to do it
Yeah I found that weird too.
This is the Samsung Displays booth, they supply Apple's screens
Because Samsung makes iPhone displays
why just apple? Seems like these micro oleds will be in all HMDs soon, which of course is amazing
It's because Linus is a shill so he will appeal to the most common consumer.
Maybe he's an Apple fanboi?
I would guess the aggressive Apple targeting, is meant to target everyone else than Apple.
Because companies follow Apple
probably because apple is the only company a normal consumer would know thats releasing a headset in the pricerange that could afford these kind of displays. (i assume they aint cheap)
Kinda weird, why Apple seems to be the *singular* focus of this Video. Yes they are _one_ customer of Samsung Display, but they're far from the only one, as basically every manufacturer of the devices with modern screens (like Samsung Electronics, Google, OnePlus and many others) is their manufacturer and Apple isn't even close to the most innovative/an early adopter (new Samsung Display technologies often only appear in Apple devices after many years, like it has been for OLED on phones or foldable displays). I mean it makes total sense to mention Apple, but it's really confusing why this whole video sounds more like they wanted a marketing video they could send to Apple, than a video that is directed at the viewer...
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.
@@officialANON001 You can't even read, I clearly explained that in the comment. And no not only Apple would buy them (if they even do), but this will most likely be an integral part of all of the 2024 refreshes of Pixel and Galaxy phones and basically everything else on the market at this point. They are not Apple exclusive and especially the folding stuff is something that Apple won't carry for years to come.
@@cromefire_ I am primarily referencing the headset display tech. Which other companies will not be using anytime soon. Apple on the other hand could use it within the next 2 years.
@@officialANON001 Yeah well that would not have been as weird to talk about Apple in the Headset market (even if it's probably DOA), but in the laptop and phone market, you can of course also talk about Apple, but definitely not _only_ about Apple, it's especially weird to do that for foldables, as Apple is the only company high end smartphone company to *not* have one and we'll be seeing the updated tech in Samsung, Google and Xaomi phones soon. Same thing with Laptops, Asus and Co. are their customers, Apple primarily uses LG there I think.
If Apple does it the other industries will follow
I’d love to see a scrapyard wars: CES edition. Build a computer with items only from booth display units lol
Ooh, that'd be sick! Bring the Scrap Yard Wars energy to CES 2025!
1 component from each booth (no paired mobo/cpu etc)
Have to convince them to sell it to you permanently
No negotiating off-camera
I dont care for apple, but this tech coming to monitors would be sick.
Even more sick in 10 years when it's affordable!
Imagine the completely insane resolution those cmos chips would have at standard monitor sizes.
I am confused on why they kept referencing Apple at the Samsung booth, that definitely felt forced ... Did Apple recently buy into Samsung or something?
Apple is Samsung's biggest customer.
I mean the QD OLED stuff is being used in monitors right now. They're currently launching the second wave of them.
@@holdenhodgdon3756it’s cus of the apple vision pro. With Apple focusing into a glass that will focus on both AR and VR aspect, using this glass in them will get a much better result. Plus Apple is one of the biggest customers of Samsung Display and so they’re chances of incorporating this display in their VR glasses would be great. Imgaine how much of a size reduce they’ll be able to get along with better visual and performance results using this type of display
Am I missing something? Why is this video addressed to Apple and they are constantly saying Apple?
rent free
Did you for real even watch the video
Made you click and even write a comment so it worked
Because its Samsung Display and not Samsung
Because Apple uses Samsung screens
Samsung seems to be killing it recently.
I mean in terms of Displays no one comes close.
it's like Nvidia of Displays while LG is like AMD.
LG for years had their WOLED for larger screens and Samsung operated in smaller screens with AMOLED. but with QD-OLED Samsung has changed the game.
not just taken over the TVs and Monitor Displays from LG but also entered the laptop segment too.
they are also at the top of MICROLED tech (SAMSUNG WALL), once they manage to shrink it down and make it more affordable, it is just game over.
@@ExtinctInsanity I remember late 90ties early 2000s the last generations of CRT monitors of Samsung were suddenly really great and not just a reasonable low-budget brand anymore.
@@MarcSpctr QD Oled still has the burn in issues after only a year of use while LG's WOLED is increasingly getting brighter and more reliable with nearly identical picture quality and saturation. Their new META 2.0 displays are going to be even longer lasting now too with improved MLA. For microLED it's a toss up between Sony and Samsung. I think if Samsung can combine MLA with Qd-OLED they will have the best display ever. Unfortunately it is patented technology
samsung didnt kill here anything they just bought a company to compete with sony
@@amazin7006 I have Sony QD-OLED panel, for well over a year now, no burn-in whatsoever.
I heard to rumors, thus tested on my TV, and no burns.
Picture quality is way superior to WOLED as well, I checked it myself as I also have previous sony TV as well that used LG panels.
Yes, even that doesn't have any burn in yet and that is way past 5 years old.
Maybe some TVs did have a manufacturing defect on Samsung's side, hope they fix it for anyone that has been affected.
but I can say for sure, QD-OLED panels are just a league different from WOLED.
If you haven't seen it in person, you won't understand it.
Do visit a Mall/Showroom or someplace where they keep both display types like Wal-Mart or something like that
edit: also I don't understand what you said about Sony and MicroLED, as I don't think Sony makes Displays.
There are only 2 display makers globally, Samsung and LG and one more in CHINA, but their quality is way bad, and almost no big tech company uses theirs so it's like they don't exist outside of China.
I didn't think we'd ever get displays with ppi's like this. Photo real insane res vr is a given now.
yeah, I am not sure if anything could power that though yet
@mabey8048 don't need to render it natively, just eliminating the SDE is enough. And with DLSS we can do a decent job.
@@xGaLoSx I feel like there is more real life graphics beyond eliminating the SDE.
@@mabey8048 SDE is why I'm not playing vr now. If it was a world of simple shapes but no SDE I'd be happy
We've had displays with 2500 PPI for a while. Over a decade. They've been used in the viewfinder of mirrorless cameras. For example, my Sony A7iv has a 120hz OLED in the eye piece. I guess they're just now being adapted for VR headsets.
This is just plain cool tech
Nice of them to put them on display.
@@ToreOnTH-cam oh
Screams FPV drones tbh.
@@ToreOnTH-cam grrrrrr
This has to be a meme right? Its like the writers were tasked with fitting the word apple into every other sentence
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.
@@officialANON001bro you've made over 50 comments on this video saying the same thing calm down. I know what Samsung Display is, it doesn't change fact that its very odd for LTT to be mentioning one of their customers every other sentence for the entire video, it feels really forced.
@@EoRdE6 I made 50 comments because people do not seem to understand what CES is or that samsung display is a seperate company.
They mention Apple because they are the only ones that will use the new displays for headsets.
CES is just a chance for companies to advertise new products to consumers and other companies. It is an exclusive event for that reason. Every video is some form of an AD either paid, scripted, or for bettering relations.
@@EoRdE6try not to hate on linus since the drama: IMPOSSIBLE
@@officialANON001not like Apple doesn’t already know Samsung has these
Why mention apple in every sentence?
It must be a challenge or something lol
Probably because they've shared many parts over the years.
It was very weird
Gotta keep the lights on in the studio I suppose
I assume it's a way to exaggerate that this is Samsung Display (main apple display supplier) - a wholly seperate company from Samsung Electronics, just without having to specifically explain the difference, mention all the other customers they have etc...
If I understand Apples marketing talk, the Vision Pro does utilize a CMOS display. So, you won't have to wait for the second gen as the first already has it, just have to wait for it to actually sell in a couple weeks.
Considering the brightness and pixel density it does line up that they're using one. It's speculated to be from Sony, which already has a Micro OLED On Silicon, since late 2022 if I'm not mistaken. The specs on the Vision Pro actually has similar pixel density(~3400 vs 3500) and higher brightness(5000nits vs 3500) than the one Linus looked at here, so this one from Samsung isn't even the newest or the most bleeding edge I believe. Part of the reason it's even that expensive honestly since barely anyone is using it
@@notlekrut Yeah and it's rumored the limiting factor of how many headsets they can make is by how many displays Sony can make. If Samsung is better at cranking out product, they might get the bid for screens in Apple Vision version 2
Then Apple will abandon it just like all their gen 1 products.
4:01 "like, have you ever looked at like, a flower before"
Very cool, but a bit weird that the video talks about apple so much.
Funny how he is talking about the OLED-on-silicon-displays with 3500 dpi at 1:22. That is exactly what the Apple Vision pro already uses, but made by Sony. At the moment Sony is the only manufactur that offer these, which is a problem for Apple because the production of the displays is limited. And I have heard that Apple pays 100$ to Sony for just one display.
Exactly. But their display is 3,386 pixels per inch which is a bit under.
Loved this year's Apple booth, but felt a bit annoyed that you kept mentioning Samsung Display... /s
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.
😂
Why is this so apple focused?
probably they making fun of them. from apple and samsung...
apple is a customer of samsung displays
Samsung displays are their screen providers
@@Tisounet i know, but Most companies get their Displays from them
Because they are the only ones that would use these displays?
0:47-0:53 this is misleading. The primary objective of the optics in an HMD is to focus the display into the users eye, not fill their field of view; and Pancake lenses specifically are what incur a brightness loss, not just any lens
Every lens does lose some light because you have at least 2 material transitions (air - glass and glass - air) and any transition of material loses a bit of light, due to reflections and imperfections. The better the lens, the lower the losses generally, every material has imperfections and those either absorb light or refract it into other directions.
Also as consumers don't really want huge headsets, it's pretty clear that there's no way around something like pancake lenses in the future, as they use less space.
@@cromefire_ That's all correct, but that's not the point I was trying to communicate. Not every LTT viewer will know about pancake lenses, which are specifically the reason why display manufacturers are investing in brighter displays.
The small displays that Linus showed looks really cool and VR headsets would be so immersive with them!
Yeah, the first to micro-OLED VR headsets that came out (Arpara and BigScreen Beyond) already showcased many of the benefits (though the Arpara was crap in many other ways), really hoping to see more headsets with newer and better micro-OLEDs being used in the future.
*will be
It's not much of a "would" but only a matter of time.
Only question is can you actually drive a screen that pixel dense across a wide FOV with current GPU in a VR scenario - I'd suspect that it isn't very possible when doing all the 3d rendering for stereo vision too. Though foveated rendering or just keeping the FOV small will help, and even if you are rendering at a lower resolution and upscaling its going to look pretty darn good compared to the current displays.
Really hoping the tech makes it to a VR headset soon as I've been in the market for an upgrade for a long long time now and keep putting it off for one reason or other (still using the original Vive).
@@foldionepapyrus3441 The BigScreen Beyond already is a pretty high resolution unit in terms of pixels per degree of FOV, and people seem to be able to run that. We don't really have to infinitely increase the PPD, but even just improving the persistence, brightness etc. that current micro-OLEDs struggle with a bit would be ace.
Sony makes microOLED screens with similar (in PlayStation VR2) and much larger (Apple Vision Pro) resolution. Samsung is just catching up to Sony here.
Apple is using Micro OLED aka OLED-On-Silicon with the Vision Pro, 5000 bits for their 1.43” displays.
Exactly. This video was incompetent
Meta Quest has been one of the most active AR VR headset maker but somehow Apple's Vision is in the center of the attention for Linus 😅
Was awesome meeting some of the LTT team yesterday @ CeS! Thanks for the advice Alex!
Goes to a Samsung booth and says Apple about a million times... I honestly couldn't care less what Apple does apart from whatever their next insane change will be that everyone else will adopt.
Seeing as Apple often buys screens from Samsung, it would make sense..
You just figured out why in your second sentence.
He’s at Samsung Display…..who provide Apple a ton of screens.
The color saturation tech is a bit like following the eye and blurring everything that it's not looking at tech, both really cool when they actually get widely adopted.
I mean yeah it was absolutely awful when Apple popularized modern touch screens and showed the capabilities and efficiency of ARM! /s
"Apple should really use OLED built on a CMOS process for a headset!"
Isn't... isn't that what they're already doing? And at a much higher resolution? (estimated 3440x3440 vs 1920x1080 per eye)
The whole video is just so weird and it seems all editors have no ideas about the current OLED industry situation. Apple Vision Pro is using Sony OLEDoS and the SDC new technology Apple is going to use this year is Tandem OLED.
These micro oleds don't use a color filter and get way brighter with less power
Yeah this is exactly what they are doing, although he mentioned this one has 3500 pixels per inch but Vision Pro is just under that at 3,386 pixels per inch. But either way it is the same process.
Why mention Apple so much? Isn't it a SAMSUNG expo?
Doesnt matter. Apple is the only ones who would use them. This is a samsung display expo.
I still remember a meeting several years ago at CES with different tech youtubers. Linus was asked how many videos he had done at the show and he answered smth like “seventeen”. Silent respect.
That polar bear for scale, a nice touch.
That's exactly why almost everyone should wait for the second gen Vision Pro. Not only does Apple have a very poor track record for first gen products, but the product category is still so new that its still advancing so fast
I remember owning the first gen ipad and being underwhelmed by it
@@zergslayer69 iPad still is underwhelming. A glorified note taking device
first gen airpods max having tons of condensation issues.
And first-gen iPhone is nothing more than a basic phone and a mobile browser, there are no third-party apps or App Store.
@@thunderingeagleI can kinda confirm. Use a iPad pro, and personally the hardware seems to be kinda bottlenecked by the software. Samsung has things like DeX and whatnot while iPad just feels like a bigger and less refined iPhone, with amazing hardware but not many ways you can make use of it.
How is bro at a Samsung booth begging for Apple to copy them lmao
Waiting to see more about new OLED monitors, looking really awesome.
5:14 Like the subtle touch to add vignette to the video
Nice seeing Linus at CES again
Never heard so much Apple in a Samsung Video hahaha
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. No point mentioning other companies.
@@officialANON001 yeah yeah I know. It ain’t that deep.
Still was funny to me 😂
I definitely want to learn more about that E-imagine technology. That seems so interesting.
Doesn’t the Apple Vision Pro use OLEDoS with 4000 ppi, pretty sure I read that somewhere
3,386 pixels per inch
So whats the actual difference to sonys oled microdisplays except the brightness?
Sony used basically its image sensor silicon process for these displays, so they're also displays created from silicon semiconductors.
Sony right now are the only ones that can produce these at scale and therefore is probably the supplier for Apple in the first gen visionPro
Is there a difference? No idea myself, but this sort of competition is never a bad thing!
Samsung is iPhone screen supplier
So there's possibility
Brightness and power consumption to reach that brightness is way more important for XR devices than you’d think.
Sony giving Apple Vision Pro (Gen 1) around 5000 nits displays. Needing dual stack white OLED with microlenses just to get there. Far from the 10,000 nits these microdisplays reach with just a single emitter stack and NO microlenses
"have you ever looked at a flower before?"
what's with apple insert on every device ?
not sure if they memeing or what but it was kinda cringe
Because they are the only ones who would use this anytime soon?
@@officialANON001 since when does apple put brand new tech on anything ? They have high quality, but they never take risky move like putting the shiny new tech in a device.
Those aren't for apple none of them. Even if they are a huge client, not for this kid of tech-demo product.
@@vlycop7404 For Iphone no due to having to make too many. However for vision pro they are using the best possible displays. The new headset displays could bew used on the second gen. No other company is currently working on a super high priced VR line of products without a focus on gaming.
Oh hey! I used to own eMagin stock for years before they got bought out (took a big loss on it tho)! Their oled brightness has been the best for a good bit of years now for headsets, and they've had some cool old publications about their tech. Unfortunately, they were too small to scale up fast enough to take over the VR display market. Hope the samsung buyout does mean there will finally be consumer headsets using their tech tho!
WHY APPLE? Since if Apple adopts something, it becomes barred from use by everyone else for at least 3 years. So why APPLE? At least Samsung is better at sharing.
Because Apple sources their screens from Samsung...?
Apple uses these.. don’t they?
Because their laptops are the closest to perfection, they perform well, they last all day, they're super thin, the sound quality is breaking the physics of such small size, all they need is cutting edge screens and they would be the perfect laptop.
Because everyone copies apple and competition is good? They can't control who uses the displays anyway.
Because apple actually pays for quite a lot of development. Look up the folded soft oled controller developed for the iphone x and the LTPO, which samsung dislays ended up manufacturing for the iphones in the end
Great content and awesome previews from Samsung and coverage from LTT. Whoever was doing camera for Adam should've corrected the focus to the displays that Adam was talking about, I noticed that some of the content he was talking about was blurry while Adam was in focus the whole time.
love the quality of this CES coverage. feels more organized
Samsung: Shows off different new tech. Linus: Mentions Apple in every sentence.
Lol you’d think apple sponsored this video just to troll Samsung
It's Samsung Display, not Samsung Electronics, so not really to troll Samsung, but still wired to single out Apple like this.
@@cromefire_ Yeah, and certainly Samsung display even is the supplier for screens on existing apple devices like the iPhone, but you still think that Samsung display would probably rather highlight the Samsung electronics applications of their technology over spotlighting 3rd party companies like apple. It’s clearly an editorial spin constructed by lmg.
@@jacksontint Nah Samsung Display doesn't care much about Samsung Electronics, but I'd they want to highlight that they have a huge variety of products and also how their existing customers already use that technology that's now updated.
the rare times in which "Military Grade" actually means high quality interesting products
Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple...
They are the only ones coming out with headsets that could use this so it makes sense to only talk about them...
That direct to silicon display tech is super interesting, seldom am I that impressed with display stuff, drip, drip, drip release roadmaps. This seems like a quantum step forward.
Why you concentrated on Apple so much?
Samsung display...
Apple orders their displays from Samsung Display
@@ethanlenningso do many other companies
@@D4w2010 Not these displays no. No other company would be able to get their hands on these. Just like vision pro displays.
Thanks for your answers, now it makes more sense :)
WOW Apple fan boys. I thought you were at the Samsung booth.
Fun to see stuff from ces
Now if Samsung would actually make those OLEDs not crippled by crazy low PWM it would be easy to be excited about this
Its been a while since a really good looking vr headset that is dedicated to pcvr has launched. With all the new display tec coming out im exited for the next gen
Fingers crossed for Valve, with their rumoured headset.
please god I hope its not standalone but just a streaming headset, we dont have the tech or physics to make them lightweight, so why not just use PC for processing.... why is this standalone trend continuing is beyond me@@madness1931
@@madness1931 they have had a rumored headset for so long I’m loosing hope 😢
@@TehSquiddleDiddle I've been waiting for Index 2 since like 2020. About 4 months ago I lost every hope we'll see a new Steam headset in the near future and just bought a Vive Pro 2 with the wireless adaptor to replace my OG Vive from 2018.
we need more micro OLED manufacturers. The reason Apple vision Pro is so expensive is because of the low volume and expense of the displays. wearable displays will be the future.
Sorta reminds me of those micro-CRTs on old video recorders from the 80s and 90s. I used one in a project once, before I learnt how CRTs work. Blasting electrons directly at your eyeball was a great idea, we should bring it back.
You realize you're not actually blasting electrons at your eyes right lol, it only goes as far as the outer layer of phosphors, CRTS are far more eye friendly than LED light, not to mention the modulation method of CRT is much more gentle on the eyes thanks to the rolling-scan, LED on the other hand pulses on and off, cause the eyes to constantly contract on/off/on/off up to hundreds of times a minute. CRTs aren't just better looking and performing than LCD/LED tech, they are healthier too, the more you know.
@@Wobble2007 Yes, I do realise that.
0:44 that’s perfect for projectors 😂😂
I'm looking forward to more durable foldable displays. I want to see the crease less and less.
6:13 that was a good entry :D
yet linus hasnt even seen the new Apple VR headset
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Point is why would you tell Apple to implement that on a headset you haven't even seen. Linus has no point of reference to what the Apple headset is even like.
The marketing team of Samsung is peaching new stuff to Apple.
Im beginning to think Samsung beg you to ask apple for being their customer 😂
They already are ??
tiny dense displays are always great news 😄
How many times did Linus say apple?
Why they keep talking about apple?
Because they are the only ones who would use this anytime soon?
@@officialANON001 If only samsung display was in the same group as another company that sell monitor, tv, computer, phone etc... They could even call that company Samsung Electronics...
Also Apple is 10 year behind in term of tech, they can't release everything at once, they need to convince people to upgrade every year
CES 2030 will have displays that plug directly to your optic nerve and will be measured in virtual photons per second
Oh god I hope so. I need to help my landlady take out her garbage in the matrix
I really hope that Apple kickstarts the VR market, so that people can finally see the light.
that isn't gonna happen unless they come out with a device that's about 10% the cost of what that thing they are trying to sell is
@@dustinharvey7394 this is just a dev kit. The real mass market model won’t come out for another year or two.
@@dustinharvey7394 Apple would be doing nothing for the industry by just making another Quest. They are making the most advanced headset they possibly can to open as many doors as possible. They need to convince people how amazing the tech is before they convince the 220 million people that buy iPhone and Apple watches that they need to buy this too.
@@dustinharvey7394at least the competitors can learn from apples implementation for better user experience (like eye tracking and navigation). Although i dread the competition taking the WRONG inspiration from apple's headset. (For example "the notch" on smartphones)
@@dustinharvey7394 They kind of already have, the entire high-end segment of the XR market got disrupted. Various conglomerates (Google and Samsung in particular) are getting into the high-end XR market to compete with Apple. Varjo, which is one of the few high-end VR companies, has effectively cut their prices in half gen-on-gen (XR3 to XR4) while still making major advancements. It is likely that this mostly happened because of the downward price pressure by Apple. The sheer R&D that is being crammed out in the high-end this generation will inevitably benefit consumer products next-gen. If this is what $3000-4000 HMDs look like in 2024, I'm looking forward to seeing what the Meta Quest 4 and the Valve Deckard will be all about.
The gall of Samsung’s booth operators (probably intentionally) misquoting Nobel…
Love seeing Linus at CES
an early look at the micro oled tech can be seen in some of those fun "AR" glasses like the xreal air. the display technology in them is amazing, it is the software support they have produced that just isn't great. Using them as a monitor is currently a better experience than using them as AR glasses for this reason. with a somewhat recent firmware update the xreal air(a 1080p display) can now do 120hz refresh and it looks really good, thier nebula software on phones just isn't very good and lacks a lot of things that would make it useful. That being said pairing it with a pc and using it as a monitor watching media and playing games with them can be a pretty good experience.
IIRC the Bigscreen Beyond is also already using OLEDoS displays from SeeYa.
@@ChrisD__they are, though the reason i bring up the nreal/xreal air is they have the same claimed pixel density and get 120hz refresh at a lower price point(the previous model is under 300usd at the time of writing this and the newr ones aren't a big improvement newer go up to 500nits brightness, have better built in audio, and are slightly lighter) they can be used as an ar headset through the nebula software which is very limited or at least was last time i looked into it and there is a git to use them with steam vr which is pretty cool. the displays are from sony though so similar tech but not the same tech maybe?
Whatever Samsung talked you into with that Apple stuff, please don't let it happen again, it makes the whole thing feel kinda sloppy and insincere.
I heard him begging Apple more than the product intro.
I really dont like how the made this whole video kind of centered around apple adopting these new display technologies, not sure if yall were memeing or what but dont make a Samsung thing all about apple.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.
Damn, so no triple fold phone to tablet form factor yet😢 honestly the only foldable I'd actually want to buy
Did this suddenly become an Apple channel? I will never buy an Apple product and the same goes for the vast majority of the people who watch this channel.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.
@@officialANON001 Samsung is the #2 panel maker in the world. It's LG then Samsung. Apple may buy a lot of Samsung's panels but so do a lot of other people. Maybe don't talk about something you have no idea about.
@@KenS1267because Apple better, lmao. Only crazy how android users get so triggered about being #2
@@KenS1267 Yes they are and Apple is their biggest customer. When I say only Apple would buy these I am referencing the new panels for headsets. No other company has anything in the pipeline that could utilize them.
I’ve still got their fold 3. I just got a iPhone 15 pro and tbh, the fold is still years ahead.
Samsung is the innovator the explorer. Apple is Samsung's biggest customer.
XD couldnt say it better, makes both companies a crap ton of money.
amazing tech, but I don't get it why you guys were so decided on turning a video about Samsung products on a video about Apple.
a few examples of how each technology can be used by other companies is fine, but making a whole video about it is a little stretch, don't you think?
Screw Apple.
I'd rather see a new Valve Index that uses that VR display tech.
I mean cool but nobody but Apple is actually planning to make anything that could use these...
Yeah that M2 in the vision pro is pretty weak compared to something like a PC (which is also where games actually are...) and it won't be able to make use of anything out of the Apple ecosystem, so it'll be a paperweight pretty fast and you'll also have to buy into Apple's ecosystem...
@@cromefire_ What? Of course its not as powerful to a PC its a tiny chip in a headset. Also the headset is not focused on gaming at all. It does not even have a controller. I think you are confused on the target market.
@@officialANON001 Yeah, they _try_ to target a different market. But in the end I'd say over 50% of the VR market is Gaming and it's unlikely that they will be able to get a foothold into industries as well, as they face both issues with actually useful things to do (yes they demo this stuff every year, but that's it, I've never seen anyone actually use this) and software as Apple doesn't really have a foothold in software in the industry, it's all Windows on the client side and the vision pro can't connect to Windows obviously.
And I mean in industry, the supposed "target market" you don't need the creepy eye thing or the nice looking OLEDs, a cheap Quest 3 or even Quest Pro will be more than sufficient, especially if you do want more than a few of them. If they did target that market I think they just missed it by a mile...
4 videos in one day
Damn LMG working hard af
respect
Hopefully, they have the content minigun secretly locked away so Linus can't find it ~Jason437.
CES Season mean companies is pumping crack into LMG to made videos!
Can't for apple to sell It separately for 5000$
This video felt like watching kids go into a toy store asking they parent to buy toys for them 😂
Immediately down voted.. First thing he did was to call for Apple to use the tech............. Really, Apple?
Like he said, they sell the most amount of laptops per year so it makes sense to call out the most popular laptop company to use the latest of tech, especially knowing Apple is already Samsung's biggest customer for screens.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. The only company on this planet that will use those are Apple so why talk about anyone else.
Apple: "we sure can, that'll be 10000$"
Yes Apple, listen to Linus 😡😂😂
I feel like without the need for daily videos on the main channel that these weird showcases from these events now are posted on shortcircuit instead of the main channel, lol
Samsung fanboys freaking out right now hearing the name of a fruit
Why would we when we know that we are getting goated screens and ur not
It was at 1:14 that Linus got pink eye
This will def be in their upcoming VR headset, im very excited for it.
Is this another ad?
@@riiobo ur moms an ad
hold up is that the mac osx el capitan wallpaper at 2:02
Apple sucks, you have an apple channel for that.
I understand the sentiment. But the point of this video is that there’s a high price point for such a display technology. Apple is the company that could bring this to market. Linus just wants to see someone do it.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays.
LTT could probably have their own CES booth with lesser known vendors queueing up to have their stuff reviewed.
Example: Jonathan Horst in the "Chef" role and supplicants offering their wares to him for approval.
Pretty awesome how they are basically treating Samsung like they are Apple's maid! Thats how it should be
Whats up with the Apple frenzy?
when did this guy become a walking AD? wtf. Linus is cool. this is... an ad!
These are all prototyped technologies, none of these things are products that are actively being sold. They are just reporting on emerging technologies.
Maybe he's just excited about emerging technologies. Almost like he built his entire career around this passion.
@@DanD-9mm This. And Samsung Display has always had some of the coolest shit to be found at CES for a long time.
This is not samsung this is samsung display. Their biggest customer is Apple. Only Apple would buy these displays. It is CES it is an entire AD chill.
I just want that upcoming Samsung+Google headset to f*n rock!
when that switch the O out of OLED or make Micro Led becomes publicly available I'll be interested.
Why so much apple talk? I don't care what displays apple uses, but do love this tech. I don't see how their related.
this video feels like samsung told them to call on apple to use their displays in their products knowing that apple is going to switch to chinese companies like BOE for their future displays.
they already decided to go with sony for their VR displays which also according to them will have 4000ppi which is higher than what samsung is advertising here. and even then, apple is looking at BOE and other chinese brands for their microOLED for future headsets due to mass manufacturing costs and meet demands.
I love that Linus said that Apple wouldn't make a MacBook with screens on the top and bottom, when there are rumors of a folding iPad
"have you ever looked at a flower before"