Actually, the fact that the Romulan ship exceeded its rated maximum speed by 30% indicates that the rated speed is due to the warp engines themselves, and NOT due to the singularity core. Just like the M/AM reactor in Federation ships, the singularity core only provides energy. It obviously provided the energy necessary to make the ship go that fast. The damage was to the warp coils, not the main reactor.
I always loved the look of the Romulan warbird. My first thought upon seeing the design was, "sweet, they can disable a smaller vessel, swoop in and hold it in its negative space with tractor beams, cloak and fly away with it." Of course that never happens.
In my head canon, the reason the D’deridex are so big is due to interrogations of the Enterprise C survivors especially their blonde tactical officer. Where they learned of a near future “battleship” class Enterprise D and so the Romulans rushed to create a match for it with their available tech.
Love the production design of TNG. It was from season three on incredibly well realized for a syndicated show from the 1990's. The alien races all had signature design elements not just with make up and prosthetics but the uniforms, ships, hand weapons... A franchise could do worse than look to TNG as an inspiration.
To the secretive romulans, I'd think that having the whole ship annihilated by the singularity on destruction is an advantage - if there's no ship left, there's no potential for their enemies to salvage technology or intelligence
Actually, a nano-Black hole that small would never be able to destroy the ship or cause all those weird time-dimensional shenanigans they describe in the series. To experiment the effects of super gravity you have to be really near to the event horizon, which in that case is in the nanometer scale or less. Hawking's radiation, on the other end, would be a problem outside the core of the reactor, but it would not last for long. Starfleet ships are far more dangerous. A single hit in the antimatter storage and you will go off in a huge, pyrotechnical gamma ray burst. Now, that would definitely leave nothing useful of your ship. One thing I never understood about Starfleet ships is why they expel the reactor core, but not the anti-matter storage, which is NOT in the core. That's just where you inject the fuel to produce energy out of its annihilation.
@@ObatongoSensei I know this is stating the obvious but ST logic =/= real world logic, you throw real world logic out the window the moment you introduce FTL, non-neutonian physics, or ships who's center of thrust doesn't align with center of mass.
There's actually another seminal work of science fiction media that involves the use of very low mass artificially-generated black holes to power a spacecraft, and specifically also to power faster-than-light travel. It's a pretty big deal in its home country, being something of a formative pop cultural scifi work of the late 20th century, and it helped propel its creator to legendary fame within the industry, though it's surprisingly little known outside of its country of origin. In fact, its international recognition has grown significantly in recent years, and you may have heard of it. It's called Gunbuster.
'What are we building a romulan engine or a gaming pc?' No you're building a steam engine. Or at least the coolant used can be cycledthrough to capture some of that thermal energy as power.
This all might imply that the Romulan engine core is less a power reactor and more just a huge battery that the Romulans would create in larger facilities, perhaps some huge power collectors in orbit around stars or larger black holes. From an in-universe perspective, I wonder what this must imply about fleet logistics! Klingon and Federation ships are dependent on dilithium, not a fuel per se but a nonrenewable mined resource that must be resupplied regularly. In fact, it might have some intentional implications for war strategy. If Romulan require larger, more capital-intensive space-based facilities to resupply those engine cores but they need to "refuel" far less often than Federation ships, it might suggest why the Romulans could hold their own against the Federation, even though they're implied to be a two-species empire with a dramatically smaller population. Any war would likely involve the Romulans coordinating a massive, widespread disruption of planet-based Federation dilithium supplies at the start of a war, while they in turn would be far less vulnerable to short-term attrition given that their ships could probably operate independently for longer. The Federation might struggle since Romulan facilities might be easier to defend and their supply lines might be subject to far less disruption (since they'd be more likely to rotate ships out for an engine core replacement than refueling them in the field). The main downside of course would be that you'd have to field a larger fleet in the longer term, meaning that a complete Romulan strategy would need to focus on a lot of quick, short-term gains. But overall I'd say this would be a better strategic advantage for the Romulans than the cloaking device for a shorter war. While a cloak is extremely effective from a tactical perspective, Romulans don't run their ships constantly cloaked for a reason, mainly the high power requirements and potential interference with fleet communication and coordination. SNW A Quality of Mercy is probably the best proof of this, as the Romulan battle fleet is not cloaked even though the ships of the fleet likely have cloaking devices too (see: TOS The Enterprise Incident).
I remember playing star trek armada and thought it was great they gave romulan ships a special death animation of the ship being sucked into the singularity.
I used to think the “micro-singularities are a Vulcan myth” line in Enterprise was silly, but now we have people arguing about primordial black holes’ plausibility… so, fine lol
I just always assumed that the energy was produced by capturing the radiation of dropping matter into a tiny accretion disc rather than the singularity intrinsically.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel Hey yeah, double dip by harnessing Hawking and the accretion radiation to bring the singularity back up to optimal mass. Win win.
@@The_Lucent_Archangelnot a concern, in fact a micro singularity would evaporate faster than you can feasibly feed matter in. Once you got one of these cores going you’d actually need to constantly feed it matter just to keep it the same size. Which also means it’s putting off tons of energy whenever you’re _not_ feeding it. Think of the matter more like control rods than fuel.
@@kaitlyn__LAnd you have pointed out the real problem of having a singularity reactor: you cannot turn it off and it always has a constant minimum energy output that needs to be harvested and used or purged. The only way to turn off such a reactor is by stopping feeding it matter and letting it completely evaporate. That means that firing up again the reactor would require to create a new singularity of the appropriate mass. You can also reduce or rise the output of the reactor by changing its mass, which may be troublesome in itself. Also, you have to move around the mass of the singularity, which may be the main reason why the romulan ships are slower.
I had the thought that the Romulan Singularity Drive was being used like all the other Star Trek ships: It's all about the Plasma. The matter/antimatter reactor makes electroplasma, pushes it through the dilithium and gets stepped up to warp plasma for the warp coils. Meanwhile the Singularity Drive gets a jumpstart and is then fed matter to sustain it. The matter gets turned into plasma as it approaches the Event Horizon and is skimmed off by a magnetic ramscoop, leaving a portion to continue on and maintain the singularity. I think you would get more bang for your buck with the m/am reactor but you have to keep making antimatter onboard or stopping at a starbase to top up the tanks, whereas the singularity drive just needs any ol' matter to keep going and you suffer with reduced power output, kilo to kilo. It's akin to the Feddies having big block hemis running nitromethane versus the Romulans having diesels running off anything and everything. Does that make sense?
This was a very interesting and thought provoking episode! Thank you for doing all that research into the technical requirements and potential energy output 👽
Just a thought and maybe someone has already proposed this. Could the reason that the Romulan’s home star was going supernova was that a singularity that was being created by the romulans getting away from them and destabilizing their star?
This kind of "black hole reactors" has been used in a old anime called Gunbuster. There it was given the name "degenerator", fundamentally a matter to energy converter through the use of artificially degenerated matter in the form of a contained micro black hole. By manipulating the event horizon of that thing, the ships in the series were able to achieve warp. It's still more safe than carrying around megatons of antimatter, which by the way requires a constant influx of energy just to power the containment which spares the ship from annihilating itself. The black hole drive has the opposite problem: it can't stop producing energy, unless you let it evaporate completely.
When I was thinking about this, it occurred to me. You can't "blow up" a black hole. It'll just eat whatever energy or mass you throw at it, and get bigger. The only known way to get rid of a black hole is to wait it out, and let the hawking radiation sap it. So, what happens when a warbird is destroyed? This would destroy the chamber housing the black hole, which would probably promptly suck all the ship debris into it, and leave you with a little black hole. So everywhere there's been a warbird destroyed, you have this little black hole "mine" sitting in space, that will destroy anything that runs into it. And no way to get rid of it, or even MOVE it. Think of all the times we've seen warbirds destroyed. Funny nobody thinks about what happened to their "artificial singularity"??? (and what's with that explosion? shouldn't it quickly turn into an IMplosion?)
I swear there's a moment in each of your videos when I can see the thought, "Am I really doing this," before you snap into the video. It's definitely on brand of Trek fans to be busy a little bit embarrassed about our love of the franchise.
Aside from how they managed to generate the blackhole to begin with... one has to wonder: If the ship sat still for long enough, wouldn't the black hole eventually crush the hull into the event horizon? Another ponderance would be how they managed to generate enough energy to create the blackhole, in addition to the shielding required to contain it.... with that amount of energy they could just fly about without the blackhole issues all together. Just spit balling here.... Fun thoughts on an amazing war bird! Thank You!
I loved the designs for these ships. They are very massive looking and didn't use the same tech to warp according to some episodes. Then "the burn" also affected them even though they were different tech... discovery kind of fucked some stuff up.
There's no free lunch here. You'd need to invest at LEAST the same amount of energy you expect to extract from the black hole in order to create it in the first place. That process wouldn't be 100% efficient so you'd be using more energy in its creation than you'd be able to extract from it. That makes it pointless for fixed installations as you may as well use the energy you would have used to create the black hole directly. For mobile applications such as space-ships however it becomes more viable as it will be an energy storage medium, which is exactly what you need in that case. But you also run into the problem of harnessing the energy from the Hawking Radiation. This isn't a variable source, it's a constant flow of energy you need to use or lose. You could I guess have some sort of giant capacitors that continually charge from this output, but you'd still need some way to "vent" energy you're not using, and in space that's a very difficult task. Given that the energy that thing generates is capable of propelling the ship at extreme velocities, you run into Newton's Laws, whatever you do to get rid of the energy is going to push you in the opposite direction really hard or impose extreme crushing force on the hull. The only real way I can see those Romulan ships being "safe" is for them to have huge energy storage cells to soak up excess energy when not used and to prevent those getting full the ship would need to be at warp most of the time to use up the excess energy, it would only be able to come out of warp for a limited time.
This warbird when I watched "the neutral zone" amazed me And i call those "theories", "hypothesis". They are "What if?" Let's say you have a successful singularity. It still needs to output a lot of energy. How can you do that? Hawking radiation should be small. A small black hole evaporates and with not enough mass to sustain its huge gravity well, it BLOWS up, and the radiation which can't be really used for this application, because there's no way to obtain the amount of energy and regulate how much of it the BH gives. Same with fission and fusion. You only get your coolant hot and it's used to steam power a turbine which generates electricity.. It's the least efficient way of generating electricity, but a brick of U has lots of energy so it can be wasted as heat and you can't harness that power by other means. Radiation won't do more than heating stuff. Energy. Free energy was inside the U but when neutrons exit it and fission occurs, the wasted heat is mostly that. Rubbish, if ihere wern't lots of energy confined in a brick. Heavy very heavy brick To confine so little mass and keep it like that, you will need lots of energy. A BH keeps like that because LOTS of mass. And... You are using Schwarzchild non rotating black hole metric. 🧐 With Kerr, rotating ones you will have a great time as frame dragging will wibbly wobbly timey wimey your engine. 🤔 Not good for high throughput Most quantum processes in macro thingies like those are caused by tunneling. Like a star. It's not enough temperature to fuse but enough mass, little probability is a big quantity. Gravity keeps those particles as plasma, no need to do anything to help starting the reactions. 🧐 🖖🤓🙃🤐
Side note: the development of the D'Deridex class starship's quantum singularity drive also led to the development of The World's Smallest Black Hole from the game Armed and Dangerous.
I love the design of the D'Deridex Class Romulan Warbird but for the life of me I can't find the weapon ports. I know it has weapons 'cause it fires them in the shows but they just blend in so seamlessly with the rest of the ship I can never spot them. While I do love the design, I always thought the Romulans were dumb for building nothing but Battleships and Frigates and the Dominion War proved me right 'cause the Romulans got their teeth kicked in by the Jem'Hedar that's why in Star Trek Nemesis we see a new Romulan ship design that looks like they learned their lesson and introduced sweeping changes in their space fleet. I classify the Val'Dor as a heavy cruiser cause it looks like a Klingon Bird of Prey that took a bunch of steroids and didn't skip leg day. It looks like they cut a D'Deridex in half and changed the paint job; so it now looks like they can build them faster than and at half the cost of the D'Deridex.
Other forms of travel weren’t used in Star Trek discovery because the writers wanted so bad to draw parallels to “dependency on fossil fuels is bad” that they forgot to right an actual good story that made sense, sheer plot convenience forced them to tell a story that shouted “were just going to assume you forgot about all that other stuff”. They also seemed to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the in-universe function of the crystals was as related to warp travel. They wanted a “fuel” to draw an allegory at the expense of actual good canonical story. I agree with the message that reliance on fossil fuels is bad, I just hate how the messaging was executed in the show.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel eh, I wouldn’t fully blame the green lobby, there has been conceded misinformation front from big oil for decades - I’m pretty green and I worked in nuclear operations for 10 years - there is a persistent cold-war “fear” among the wider populous in the US, and it’s easy political brownie-points to say we shuttered nuclear-related stuff. There was a glimmer of hope back in the 2000’s up to 2010, but the Fukushima disaster all but torpedoed that movement, and I got out of the industry because I considered it all but dead and/or on life support. Seeing as though most commercial reactors operation on the same principles we established in the 1960’s and 70’s, There are newer and safer implementations of nuclear energy we could explore, but we as a society have done a good enough job of scaring ourselves out of any nuclear technological investment and progress.
But regardless, dilithium has never been a traditional “fuel” in-universe. if I remember correctly, it’s a focusing element for the matter-antimatter reaction, so the parallel they’re trying to make seems nonsensical based on how science in the Star Trek universe is supposed to work. By the 24th century, they’d even discovered how to reconstitute the crystals.
Take a gasoline engine, dilithium would fundamentally represent the pistons/cylinders or fuel injectors and the matter/antimatter reaction could be considered the gasoline. Sure the cylinders will wear-out over time, but by the 24th century, we’ve discovered how to refurnish those cylinders to like-new while the engine is running to continue converting combustion into mechanical movement.
You are giving too much credit. STD's writers maybe saw the JJ movies and have a vague notion for the plot of Voyage Home. I say vague because had they seen it they would know you can actually inject an environmental message into a story. Even one you don't really understand. Without it then destroying the story. I wouldn't go as far as saying they would realise you can't inject story into a political message you don't actually understand or comprehend the nuances or consequences of. However, presumably they have watched STD and somehow that hasn't occurred to them, so no hope there.
@@SweetSweetCandyBoyzthey still had dilithium mines in the 24th century. Even if it was 100% efficient you’d need more when building new ships or ships get destroyed. But it’s not, so it just massively extends their lifetime. Which is why in the 32nd century a single crumb of dilithium can get you across an entire quadrant, while in TOS you needed tons of it just to go a few systems. It’s more of a message about building an entire economy on one finite resource, rather than Fuels per se. We’re running into it with copper and lithium right now, and those aren’t fuels. They don’t even really get consumed when we use them, except very slowly in lithium’s case. Therefore dilithium is a much better parallel to lithium than it is oil.
I always thought to myself, no matter what technology is invented, the Romulans have the power covered. if they ever do a more conventual show I hope they explore this more.
My headcanon is that the D'deridex was developed in response to the presumed Galaxy warship the Federation was developing and was such a boondoggle of a development project by the time it was apparent that the Galaxy was an exploratory cruise liner that the Romulan government had to completely change their galactic political stance just to avoid humiliation and collapse.
We know a little more from cannon. Artificial Quantum Singularities in a dderidex amust be very different from standard black holes, as the alien young in Timescape would not have been trapped or have had difficulty.
Forgive my ignorance, but couldn't a black hole be formed by a nuclear explosion or simultaneous nuclear explosions at the same point in time? If true, would this impromptu blackhole exist for at least a nanosecond?
You assumed a singular micro black hole lets look at nuclear power stations they have multiple reactors USS Enterprise CVN65 had 8 reactors. There is no requirement for a single microsingularity and a singularity core could consist of hundreds maybe even thousands or millions of microsingularities.
I could imagine a balancing act between allowing a certain amount of Hawking radiation but also limiting evaporation to keep the black hole "in existence."
If the Star Trek universe has some degree of gravity control (gravity deck plating, graviton emitters, anti-gravity lifting devices), maybe this affects how they manage black hole gravity, and radiation and so forth. Also, has anybody yet used the Internet name "Joe Lontrue?" lol Personally I like the phrase.
@@rainsfall2494 a story centered on alleged Romulan intervention in the Federation Presidential Election, supporting the canditature of Gul Dukat with the Ferengi Brunt as VP
As with everything in life. To make energy you have to add energy. We are far far far away from having the ability to pump that amount of energy into anything. So unless someone comes up with a new atom out of thin air. The best humans could ever hope for is travelling to Mars. Maybe.
I am rather confused. Wouldn't this drive be the dominant mode of propulsion in the galaxy after the Burn? From what I understand the Burn effected only dilithium and this engine does not use that mineral.
The Romulans still use dilithium, presumably as a stabilizing element as in matter/antimatter engines. The specifics aren't delved into but the Romulans have dilithium mines on Remus. This isn't to defend the Burn storyline as it was kinda goofy lol
Why Starfleet didn't utilise other FTL methods after the burn? The "writers" never actually watched Star Trek and didn't care as they were employed for another year minimum regardless of what they shat out. That's why.
*Sigh*............ here we go again All of the TV shows and films are canon. That doesn't mean the writers can't make stupid decisions, but Discovery doesn't have a monopoly on that
Ah. You said. "singularities" It's "singularities" This is the main problem with English. How to pronounce things.. It's theeng, Thang, th(ei) ng? Eigen, at least that diptongo EI in German always has the same pronunciation y el español también 人!
Actually, the fact that the Romulan ship exceeded its rated maximum speed by 30% indicates that the rated speed is due to the warp engines themselves, and NOT due to the singularity core. Just like the M/AM reactor in Federation ships, the singularity core only provides energy. It obviously provided the energy necessary to make the ship go that fast. The damage was to the warp coils, not the main reactor.
I love that you leave in outtakes with an edit, especially for words you have trouble with. You don't take yourself too seriously. And words are hard.
I always loved the look of the Romulan warbird. My first thought upon seeing the design was, "sweet, they can disable a smaller vessel, swoop in and hold it in its negative space with tractor beams, cloak and fly away with it." Of course that never happens.
In my head canon, the reason the D’deridex are so big is due to interrogations of the Enterprise C survivors especially their blonde tactical officer. Where they learned of a near future “battleship” class Enterprise D and so the Romulans rushed to create a match for it with their available tech.
I think it's as with the Empire from Star Wars, a weapon to intimidate.
Love the production design of TNG. It was from season three on incredibly well realized for a syndicated show from the 1990's. The alien races all had signature design elements not just with make up and prosthetics but the uniforms, ships, hand weapons... A franchise could do worse than look to TNG as an inspiration.
To the secretive romulans, I'd think that having the whole ship annihilated by the singularity on destruction is an advantage - if there's no ship left, there's no potential for their enemies to salvage technology or intelligence
Exactly what I always thought too. Makes perfect sense.
@@gamingvibrations5320This is the only explanation that makes sense considering all the drawbacks of the drive.
Actually, a nano-Black hole that small would never be able to destroy the ship or cause all those weird time-dimensional shenanigans they describe in the series. To experiment the effects of super gravity you have to be really near to the event horizon, which in that case is in the nanometer scale or less. Hawking's radiation, on the other end, would be a problem outside the core of the reactor, but it would not last for long.
Starfleet ships are far more dangerous. A single hit in the antimatter storage and you will go off in a huge, pyrotechnical gamma ray burst. Now, that would definitely leave nothing useful of your ship.
One thing I never understood about Starfleet ships is why they expel the reactor core, but not the anti-matter storage, which is NOT in the core. That's just where you inject the fuel to produce energy out of its annihilation.
Romulans - "Our scout ship crossed into the neutral zone before it was destroyed? PROVE IT!"
cloaks away*
@@ObatongoSensei I know this is stating the obvious but ST logic =/= real world logic, you throw real world logic out the window the moment you introduce FTL, non-neutonian physics, or ships who's center of thrust doesn't align with center of mass.
“Let’s get started” has entered my daily lexicon
Lookin' good fella! You're still doing well and that's awesome!
Thanks beezelbuzzel!
Once again soothing ME music over Epic lore/science. Epic.
This is one of my favorite ship designs in all of science fiction, thank you for covering it❤
Find yourself the USS Defiant.
There's actually another seminal work of science fiction media that involves the use of very low mass artificially-generated black holes to power a spacecraft, and specifically also to power faster-than-light travel. It's a pretty big deal in its home country, being something of a formative pop cultural scifi work of the late 20th century, and it helped propel its creator to legendary fame within the industry, though it's surprisingly little known outside of its country of origin. In fact, its international recognition has grown significantly in recent years, and you may have heard of it.
It's called Gunbuster.
'What are we building a romulan engine or a gaming pc?'
No you're building a steam engine. Or at least the coolant used can be cycledthrough to capture some of that thermal energy as power.
This all might imply that the Romulan engine core is less a power reactor and more just a huge battery that the Romulans would create in larger facilities, perhaps some huge power collectors in orbit around stars or larger black holes. From an in-universe perspective, I wonder what this must imply about fleet logistics! Klingon and Federation ships are dependent on dilithium, not a fuel per se but a nonrenewable mined resource that must be resupplied regularly.
In fact, it might have some intentional implications for war strategy. If Romulan require larger, more capital-intensive space-based facilities to resupply those engine cores but they need to "refuel" far less often than Federation ships, it might suggest why the Romulans could hold their own against the Federation, even though they're implied to be a two-species empire with a dramatically smaller population. Any war would likely involve the Romulans coordinating a massive, widespread disruption of planet-based Federation dilithium supplies at the start of a war, while they in turn would be far less vulnerable to short-term attrition given that their ships could probably operate independently for longer. The Federation might struggle since Romulan facilities might be easier to defend and their supply lines might be subject to far less disruption (since they'd be more likely to rotate ships out for an engine core replacement than refueling them in the field). The main downside of course would be that you'd have to field a larger fleet in the longer term, meaning that a complete Romulan strategy would need to focus on a lot of quick, short-term gains.
But overall I'd say this would be a better strategic advantage for the Romulans than the cloaking device for a shorter war. While a cloak is extremely effective from a tactical perspective, Romulans don't run their ships constantly cloaked for a reason, mainly the high power requirements and potential interference with fleet communication and coordination. SNW A Quality of Mercy is probably the best proof of this, as the Romulan battle fleet is not cloaked even though the ships of the fleet likely have cloaking devices too (see: TOS The Enterprise Incident).
Love your work as always man, I feel special being in the credits
This is my favourite Romulan design. And I was always fascinated by Romulan quantum singularity drives. Thanks for a cool video.
Honestly, the lengths those Rommies will go just to be different... 😉
Loved the part about what can become a black hole!
Black whole drive. The Doctor approves. #TARDIS
the Romulan design fits the vibe of the Romulan calculating and also it is a heavier ship then the warbird which give variety to star trek
I remember playing star trek armada and thought it was great they gave romulan ships a special death animation of the ship being sucked into the singularity.
I used to think the “micro-singularities are a Vulcan myth” line in Enterprise was silly, but now we have people arguing about primordial black holes’ plausibility… so, fine lol
Love your content bud, I even watched the whole sponsored segment.
Cool video thanks. Hope you had a good Trek day. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
Thanks Colin! Same to you!
Hands down, my favorite ship in all of Trek. It’s just so friggin cool!
I think the Romulans have one tribble on a hamster wheel to keep that singularity up and running.
agreed, maybe two.
I just always assumed that the energy was produced by capturing the radiation of dropping matter into a tiny accretion disc rather than the singularity intrinsically.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel Hey yeah, double dip by harnessing Hawking and the accretion radiation to bring the singularity back up to optimal mass. Win win.
@@The_Lucent_Archangelnot a concern, in fact a micro singularity would evaporate faster than you can feasibly feed matter in. Once you got one of these cores going you’d actually need to constantly feed it matter just to keep it the same size. Which also means it’s putting off tons of energy whenever you’re _not_ feeding it. Think of the matter more like control rods than fuel.
@@kaitlyn__LAnd you have pointed out the real problem of having a singularity reactor: you cannot turn it off and it always has a constant minimum energy output that needs to be harvested and used or purged.
The only way to turn off such a reactor is by stopping feeding it matter and letting it completely evaporate. That means that firing up again the reactor would require to create a new singularity of the appropriate mass. You can also reduce or rise the output of the reactor by changing its mass, which may be troublesome in itself.
Also, you have to move around the mass of the singularity, which may be the main reason why the romulan ships are slower.
Zepto is a new mini-measurment for me. centi-milli-micro-nano-femto-pico-atto is the limit of small measurements I learnt when at school.
Learnt that around 24 years ago and it still sticks in my mind
I had the thought that the Romulan Singularity Drive was being used like all the other Star Trek ships: It's all about the Plasma.
The matter/antimatter reactor makes electroplasma, pushes it through the dilithium and gets stepped up to warp plasma for the warp coils.
Meanwhile the Singularity Drive gets a jumpstart and is then fed matter to sustain it. The matter gets turned into plasma as it approaches the Event Horizon and is skimmed off by a magnetic ramscoop, leaving a portion to continue on and maintain the singularity.
I think you would get more bang for your buck with the m/am reactor but you have to keep making antimatter onboard or stopping at a starbase to top up the tanks, whereas the singularity drive just needs any ol' matter to keep going and you suffer with reduced power output, kilo to kilo.
It's akin to the Feddies having big block hemis running nitromethane versus the Romulans having diesels running off anything and everything.
Does that make sense?
Perfect sense!
This was a very interesting and thought provoking episode! Thank you for doing all that research into the technical requirements and potential energy output 👽
Thank you!
Love all things Romulan! If you have a core breach does the black hole escape?
Very well might :0
Great video Tyler I love the tech videos you do where you even go in to possible real world science behind the tech well done dude.
Thank you Saxon!
This is the most iconic alien ship from Star Trek beyond the Borg cube!
Having your massively overpowered cruiser strapped to a rube goldberge-esque power system feels so quintessentially Romulan.
Just a thought and maybe someone has already proposed this. Could the reason that the Romulan’s home star was going supernova was that a singularity that was being created by the romulans getting away from them and destabilizing their star?
This kind of "black hole reactors" has been used in a old anime called Gunbuster. There it was given the name "degenerator", fundamentally a matter to energy converter through the use of artificially degenerated matter in the form of a contained micro black hole. By manipulating the event horizon of that thing, the ships in the series were able to achieve warp.
It's still more safe than carrying around megatons of antimatter, which by the way requires a constant influx of energy just to power the containment which spares the ship from annihilating itself. The black hole drive has the opposite problem: it can't stop producing energy, unless you let it evaporate completely.
Absolutely love this video!
Thank you!
The d'dex is my second favorite shit outside the Tellerite ship it's so clean and schmexy
When I was thinking about this, it occurred to me. You can't "blow up" a black hole. It'll just eat whatever energy or mass you throw at it, and get bigger. The only known way to get rid of a black hole is to wait it out, and let the hawking radiation sap it. So, what happens when a warbird is destroyed? This would destroy the chamber housing the black hole, which would probably promptly suck all the ship debris into it, and leave you with a little black hole.
So everywhere there's been a warbird destroyed, you have this little black hole "mine" sitting in space, that will destroy anything that runs into it. And no way to get rid of it, or even MOVE it. Think of all the times we've seen warbirds destroyed. Funny nobody thinks about what happened to their "artificial singularity"??? (and what's with that explosion? shouldn't it quickly turn into an IMplosion?)
I swear there's a moment in each of your videos when I can see the thought, "Am I really doing this," before you snap into the video. It's definitely on brand of Trek fans to be busy a little bit embarrassed about our love of the franchise.
Aside from how they managed to generate the blackhole to begin with... one has to wonder: If the ship sat still for long enough, wouldn't the black hole eventually crush the hull into the event horizon? Another ponderance would be how they managed to generate enough energy to create the blackhole, in addition to the shielding required to contain it.... with that amount of energy they could just fly about without the blackhole issues all together. Just spit balling here....
Fun thoughts on an amazing war bird! Thank You!
Possibly the facility needed to generate that much power wouldn't fit into a ship
Romulan's chicks are hotter than Vulcan's chicks!
But like Klingon chicks, if you don't give them orgasms they will kill you.
But are Andorian Babes super hot or super cool?
Romulan quantum singularities are singularly quantum🕳️
What powers Deep Space Nine?
wait can I make a black hole with my brain power?! MAHAHHAHAAHHA. I mean it is powerful.. best not to try though. GIGAWATS!
I weirdly wasn't notified about this video 😡
Holy crap, yeah I've been seeing a ton of people saying the same thing. It's pissing me off tbh
Do you always use Mass Effect music during Star Trek videos? Have I just never noticed?!!!??! 😂😅😱👍
Lol not always, but more recently!
I loved the designs for these ships. They are very massive looking and didn't use the same tech to warp according to some episodes. Then "the burn" also affected them even though they were different tech... discovery kind of fucked some stuff up.
Oh, just a little...
The singularity is for power, like the matter/antimatter reaction on federation ships. They both use dilithium to create a warp field
Some? Discovery was a fuckup. Glad it'll be over with the next season.
There is another season coming???
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Replacing antimatter with a black hole definitely means they didn’t have to use dilithium to get their warp plasma.
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There's no free lunch here. You'd need to invest at LEAST the same amount of energy you expect to extract from the black hole in order to create it in the first place. That process wouldn't be 100% efficient so you'd be using more energy in its creation than you'd be able to extract from it. That makes it pointless for fixed installations as you may as well use the energy you would have used to create the black hole directly. For mobile applications such as space-ships however it becomes more viable as it will be an energy storage medium, which is exactly what you need in that case. But you also run into the problem of harnessing the energy from the Hawking Radiation. This isn't a variable source, it's a constant flow of energy you need to use or lose. You could I guess have some sort of giant capacitors that continually charge from this output, but you'd still need some way to "vent" energy you're not using, and in space that's a very difficult task. Given that the energy that thing generates is capable of propelling the ship at extreme velocities, you run into Newton's Laws, whatever you do to get rid of the energy is going to push you in the opposite direction really hard or impose extreme crushing force on the hull. The only real way I can see those Romulan ships being "safe" is for them to have huge energy storage cells to soak up excess energy when not used and to prevent those getting full the ship would need to be at warp most of the time to use up the excess energy, it would only be able to come out of warp for a limited time.
This warbird when I watched "the neutral zone" amazed me
And i call those "theories", "hypothesis". They are "What if?"
Let's say you have a successful singularity.
It still needs to output a lot of energy. How can you do that? Hawking radiation should be small. A small black hole evaporates and with not enough mass to sustain its huge gravity well, it BLOWS up, and the radiation which can't be really used for this application, because there's no way to obtain the amount of energy and regulate how much of it the BH gives. Same with fission and fusion. You only get your coolant hot and it's used to steam power a turbine which generates electricity..
It's the least efficient way of generating electricity, but a brick of U has lots of energy so it can be wasted as heat and you can't harness that power by other means. Radiation won't do more than heating stuff. Energy. Free energy was inside the U but when neutrons exit it and fission occurs, the wasted heat is mostly that. Rubbish, if ihere wern't lots of energy confined in a brick. Heavy very heavy brick
To confine so little mass and keep it like that, you will need lots of energy. A BH keeps like that because LOTS of mass.
And... You are using Schwarzchild non rotating black hole metric.
🧐 With Kerr, rotating ones you will have a great time as frame dragging will wibbly wobbly timey wimey your engine. 🤔 Not good for high throughput
Most quantum processes in macro thingies like those are caused by tunneling. Like a star. It's not enough temperature to fuse but enough mass, little probability is a big quantity. Gravity keeps those particles as plasma, no need to do anything to help starting the reactions.
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They DIDN'T DO SH🤬T!!! AGAINST THE Jem' hadar
I encourage you to look into Earth: Final Conflict. It is an underrated series.
Underrated for a reason. It wasn't very good.
@@LordTalax I agree, it looks like a fan series. And not a particularly good one at that.
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Side note: the development of the D'Deridex class starship's quantum singularity drive also led to the development of The World's Smallest Black Hole from the game Armed and Dangerous.
I love the design of the D'Deridex Class Romulan Warbird but for the life of me I can't find the weapon ports. I know it has weapons 'cause it fires them in the shows but they just blend in so seamlessly with the rest of the ship I can never spot them. While I do love the design, I always thought the Romulans were dumb for building nothing but Battleships and Frigates and the Dominion War proved me right 'cause the Romulans got their teeth kicked in by the Jem'Hedar that's why in Star Trek Nemesis we see a new Romulan ship design that looks like they learned their lesson and introduced sweeping changes in their space fleet. I classify the Val'Dor as a heavy cruiser cause it looks like a Klingon Bird of Prey that took a bunch of steroids and didn't skip leg day. It looks like they cut a D'Deridex in half and changed the paint job; so it now looks like they can build them faster than and at half the cost of the D'Deridex.
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Other forms of travel weren’t used in Star Trek discovery because the writers wanted so bad to draw parallels to “dependency on fossil fuels is bad” that they forgot to right an actual good story that made sense, sheer plot convenience forced them to tell a story that shouted “were just going to assume you forgot about all that other stuff”. They also seemed to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the in-universe function of the crystals was as related to warp travel. They wanted a “fuel” to draw an allegory at the expense of actual good canonical story. I agree with the message that reliance on fossil fuels is bad, I just hate how the messaging was executed in the show.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel eh, I wouldn’t fully blame the green lobby, there has been conceded misinformation front from big oil for decades - I’m pretty green and I worked in nuclear operations for 10 years - there is a persistent cold-war “fear” among the wider populous in the US, and it’s easy political brownie-points to say we shuttered nuclear-related stuff. There was a glimmer of hope back in the 2000’s up to 2010, but the Fukushima disaster all but torpedoed that movement, and I got out of the industry because I considered it all but dead and/or on life support. Seeing as though most commercial reactors operation on the same principles we established in the 1960’s and 70’s, There are newer and safer implementations of nuclear energy we could explore, but we as a society have done a good enough job of scaring ourselves out of any nuclear technological investment and progress.
But regardless, dilithium has never been a traditional “fuel” in-universe. if I remember correctly, it’s a focusing element for the matter-antimatter reaction, so the parallel they’re trying to make seems nonsensical based on how science in the Star Trek universe is supposed to work. By the 24th century, they’d even discovered how to reconstitute the crystals.
Take a gasoline engine, dilithium would fundamentally represent the pistons/cylinders or fuel injectors and the matter/antimatter reaction could be considered the gasoline. Sure the cylinders will wear-out over time, but by the 24th century, we’ve discovered how to refurnish those cylinders to like-new while the engine is running to continue converting combustion into mechanical movement.
You are giving too much credit. STD's writers maybe saw the JJ movies and have a vague notion for the plot of Voyage Home.
I say vague because had they seen it they would know you can actually inject an environmental message into a story. Even one you don't really understand. Without it then destroying the story.
I wouldn't go as far as saying they would realise you can't inject story into a political message you don't actually understand or comprehend the nuances or consequences of. However, presumably they have watched STD and somehow that hasn't occurred to them, so no hope there.
@@SweetSweetCandyBoyzthey still had dilithium mines in the 24th century. Even if it was 100% efficient you’d need more when building new ships or ships get destroyed. But it’s not, so it just massively extends their lifetime. Which is why in the 32nd century a single crumb of dilithium can get you across an entire quadrant, while in TOS you needed tons of it just to go a few systems.
It’s more of a message about building an entire economy on one finite resource, rather than Fuels per se. We’re running into it with copper and lithium right now, and those aren’t fuels. They don’t even really get consumed when we use them, except very slowly in lithium’s case. Therefore dilithium is a much better parallel to lithium than it is oil.
I always thought to myself, no matter what technology is invented, the Romulans have the power covered. if they ever do a more conventual show I hope they explore this more.
Great stuff, but I’m always confused as to why there are ellipses at the end of EVERY TITLE
My headcanon is that the D'deridex was developed in response to the presumed Galaxy warship the Federation was developing and was such a boondoggle of a development project by the time it was apparent that the Galaxy was an exploratory cruise liner that the Romulan government had to completely change their galactic political stance just to avoid humiliation and collapse.
Quantum singlularity this, quantum singlularity that, why don't people ever talk about quantum singles in your area 🧐
Gaming PCs don't need liquid cooling, that's just a noobish way to waste a couple hundred dollars. 🤣
I mean, I certainly don't have a liquid cooling system 😂
It would be interesting to see the avians that inspired this design on Romulus. In all probably a double gullet turkey hawk.
We know a little more from cannon.
Artificial Quantum Singularities in a dderidex amust be very different from standard black holes, as the alien young in Timescape would not have been trapped or have had difficulty.
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If neccels need to see each other to form a warp field then why are there so many ships that block their LOS ?
Ship designs started to drift away from Roddenberry's original "rules," so to speak (not that any of it was ever canon tbh)
Forgive my ignorance, but couldn't a black hole be formed by a nuclear explosion or simultaneous nuclear explosions at the same point in time? If true, would this impromptu blackhole exist for at least a nanosecond?
7:17 You might want to check how much energy is required to create a Kugelblitz ☑
You assumed a singular micro black hole lets look at nuclear power stations they have multiple reactors USS Enterprise CVN65 had 8 reactors. There is no requirement for a single microsingularity and a singularity core could consist of hundreds maybe even thousands or millions of microsingularities.
there is a tiny problem, a crashing warbird is a planet/sun killer.... and if you forget to feed it, it goes bang quite enthusiastically
I’m pretty sure any black hole that didn’t evaporate would start swallowing mass (like the ship and everyone in it).
I could imagine a balancing act between allowing a certain amount of Hawking radiation but also limiting evaporation to keep the black hole "in existence."
I wonder if Intel is working on a CPU under these parameters
with gravity plating on nearly ship building a singularity should not be that hard since gravity is a force star trek controls
The event horizon is actually called an accretion disc.
If the Star Trek universe has some degree of gravity control (gravity deck plating, graviton emitters, anti-gravity lifting devices), maybe this affects how they manage black hole gravity, and radiation and so forth.
Also, has anybody yet used the Internet name "Joe Lontrue?" lol Personally I like the phrase.
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Someone needs to make that into a hat.
Picard and Riker for president 2024
"Make it so"
@@rainsfall2494 a story centered on alleged Romulan intervention in the Federation Presidential Election, supporting the canditature of Gul Dukat with the Ferengi Brunt as VP
@@mawkernewek And Quark as Speaker of the House.
@@merafirewing6591 he’d be the least corrupt one in history!
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10:17 Why not both?
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As with everything in life. To make energy you have to add energy. We are far far far away from having the ability to pump that amount of energy into anything. So unless someone comes up with a new atom out of thin air. The best humans could ever hope for is travelling to Mars. Maybe.
This is why when watching Discovery's plotline revolving around the "Burn" I said, "But Romulans!"
I am rather confused. Wouldn't this drive be the dominant mode of propulsion in the galaxy after the Burn? From what I understand the Burn effected only dilithium and this engine does not use that mineral.
The Romulans still use dilithium, presumably as a stabilizing element as in matter/antimatter engines. The specifics aren't delved into but the Romulans have dilithium mines on Remus. This isn't to defend the Burn storyline as it was kinda goofy lol
nice, Romulans are cool, not as cool as Cardassians though.
Does it require dilithium? If not, the Burn wouldn't have any effect on them, and Star Fleet could have used this tech to replace their warp cores.
Interesting video but really the Romulan power system was a secret to no one who actually watches Star Trek.
Why Starfleet didn't utilise other FTL methods after the burn? The "writers" never actually watched Star Trek and didn't care as they were employed for another year minimum regardless of what they shat out. That's why.
The burn is not canon.
*Sigh*............ here we go again
All of the TV shows and films are canon. That doesn't mean the writers can't make stupid decisions, but Discovery doesn't have a monopoly on that
Ah. You said. "singularities"
It's "singularities"
This is the main problem with English. How to pronounce things..
It's theeng, Thang, th(ei) ng? Eigen, at least that diptongo EI in German always has the same pronunciation y el español también
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