Guessing Stars VS Workthespace
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- Star ratings are the guiding light in Football Manager before you know anything else about the game. You look at those golden beauties and think they are a good indication of overall, but Workthespace and I are here to tell you star ratings on FM are there to fool you! Not really, but we both make a living playing FM so we sat down to guess how high the player’s ability is based on their star rating.
I have no idea how it is going to go, stars are tough on FM in general and very staff dependent, but I have faith that Workthespace and I will find a way to get most of them right. It is possible that we don’t adapt our tactics to the game at hand fast enough, but here I am writing this beforehand hoping that is wrong. Optimism is something that serves you well in the Football Manager world, you heard it here first.
Much Love,
FM Senpai
Podcasts:
20 good minutes ► open.spotify.com/show/5Qf5sSN...
The Zealand Podcast ► open.spotify.com/show/65eNWIP...
Armchair History ► open.spotify.com/show/2QCd3Ti...
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LE MERCH ► highscoretees.com/collections...
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INSTAGRAM ► / theoldzealand
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DISCORD ► / discord
REDDIT ► / theoldzealand
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TH-cam ► / workthespace
TWITTER ► / workthespace
TWITCH ► / workthespace
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I'M A VISUAL LEARNER OK.
Thanks for having me on Z, hopefully people enjoy this collab!
Erling Haa
John stones being better than dias 😂😂
I absolutely understand what you mean! I need the attribute analysis up all the time too, otherwise I cannot assess players at all!
@WorkTheSpace you also forced me to sign Phil Jones! 😄
Im on your side WTS! I cannot play Fm without the octagon. It help alot when browsing random players!
2:02 Finally an explanation as to why Zealand had Taiwanese Dollars as the currency on stream a while ago
I think the main thing that has to be factored into star ratings is the relative ability of other players playing similar positions at the club
It's why I was surprised when they said dias was three star
Not just similar position. You can have a 2,5 star goalie as your best goalie. And your defence will get lower stars if you improve your midfield and attack.
There's a lot of wonky stuff going on though. Getting less than 2.5 stars for a starter is almost impossible. And less than 2 basically never happens. Similarly, 5 star players basically doesn't exist. It's like they've made room for the possibility that scout reports and potential to have the possibility of being better than your current best player. KDB is literally the third best player in the game (after Messi and Lewandowski) in CA. But he is still not a 5 star player. And if you cheated him into Stoke or something, he would probably still only be 4.5* (but the rest of the team would likely lose 1 or 0.5 stars).
Is that a rugby lions shirt? Your collection never ceases to amaze me
I got so excited when I saw him wear that in the thumbnail
Rugby for the win
U know it is why ask the question
Ive watched this 11 months later and what you said about aguero going to barca for a paycut for messi to stay who'll then leave and then aguero gets injured is scarily accurate😂
Would love to see this with a random team that’s 10 years in the future
The star ratings you were seeing were the positional and role ability of the player for their best role. So the ideas of age, registration footedness and other positions didn't affect the scores. If you had checked the actual scout reports you may have seen otherwise.
Technically footedness can affect the rating, especially for positions like inverted wingers/forwards. But in general you are right, some of Zealand's arguments did not make sense as age and the number of positions they can play have 0 influence on the rating. It's simply the rating of their best position.
Weak foot rating absolutely does have an effect on the star rating. But yeah I agree about the age and other positions not affecting it.
27:54 Hahaha what a great segment Ayal. That's hilarious and so well made
I knew it would come up in the comments, and it is fitting that it is Rosco, the “master” of the Zealand Live comment section!
It was a great segment, well done Ayal.
Might also be to do with that animator that is now being credited in the description 👀
Work the space: anyone can play for united
Donny van de beek: sad bench noises
😭😭😭
God, the Football Manager community is so pleasant. I love it
I agree but compared to what? Do mind that fm is not a competitive e-sport and attracts different type of gamers
@@DimEst19xx FM attracts more calm people that like to experiment and I think the lack of competitiveness plays into that. You just kind of enjoy your own world
They have just predicted Barcelona’s and Aguero future
2:27 could’ve gone with the Vietnamese Dong option instead but oh well, a man can dream
WOW
That foreshadowing about Aguero thou
That was a real "Jekyll and Hyde" performance from you.
Honestly, I'd love for this to be like a weekly series xD Is pretty entertaining as always Zea!
This should definitely be a series as a FM mini game!
You guys really nailed it about Agüero LMAO
thankyou for making these videos, endless entertainment and informative
This is more dramatic than Villarreal vs Man Utd penalty shootout
💞💞💞when these two collaborate always = more please, don’t wheel away Jack come back!🤣😂 Ayal .. Bravo on ad, spit out my coffee laughing kind of funny! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Best TH-cam advert ever
So this is why Z had taiwan currency on last stream
My takeaway from this is that Zealand apparently has an England shirt with Pulisic on the back. :P
As an avid in-game editor:
1. Star ratings are dependent on relative current/potential ability. Thus, getting a wonderkid with 200 PA will drop the rest of your team's CA star rating significantly.
2. The accuracy thereof also depends on the ability of your scouts/scouting rating of your staff to perceive your players' skill.
3. Being two-footed significantly boosts CA, but seemingly differently depending on the position (it benefits GKs less).
4. Playing multiple positions can actually drop CA, and often does, if a player sucks at a position. Playing multiple positions also doesn't necessarily increase it -- in fact, removing a position can often jack up a player's CA if the removed position was "suboptimal" for his skillset.
5. All the other things they mentioned in the video don't affect the stars.
So... what affect star ratings besides attributes, playing positions and preferred foot?
Would watch another one of these
As a Taiwanese I am happy that our currency is appreciated by you two XD and yes it’s a relatively cheap currency.
@Zealand great video, lots of lols!!! So if Star Ratings are useless can you make video (or link to one you have made) about judging a players current ability? Thanks
Jack and Z are my favorite videos on the internet
Scary how similar the manager looks like you @16.23
I went 8/10, got Kyle Walker and Fernandinho wrong. If one if not both of Jack and Z didn't go so extreme with Ake and Stones they would've done well
7 out of 10, I'll take it. Good fun though, love all the collab videos the FM creators do.
Personally, I’ve always been an olfactory learner. If it smells bad, I avoid it at all costs.
Stars can be confusing sometimes that is why I don't trust the stars. But it really helps to measure how strong and good the player was.
Did them alongside you guys and was 5/10 too 😂
I remember when I was managing a Japanese team on Champ man 01/02 and I changed the currency to Yen.
I’m also pretty sure I managed in Italy and changed the currency to Italian lira before they had the euro. 🤯🤯
@Heberth R. how do you know my age? 🤷♂️
Missed a joke with the Vietnamese Dong right there.
Haven't seen the results yet, but jack has completely fucked it with Foden surely
Well just now I did an experiment where I played Oliver McBurnie up top every game 90 minutes of the season with Man City and he got 23 goals in the season but stayed at 2 stars. I guarantee it that if he does it again the following season he’s still going to stay at 2 stars even though it’s clear that he’s a bloody goal machine
But his CA is still bad. He is able to score goals KDB feeds to him, but that doesn't make him any better.
Hey Zealand,
are u planning to make a video for FM22 at release, where u show us what we should install in order to make the game look good. eg. Facescans, Bagdges, Skins etc. Would be amazing a very helpful for me and some friends!
He's done it every year so far but if he doesn't, the videos he already has should serve well enough
this explains the TWD stream
I still have a hard time breaking my star addiction.
Wts has lost so much weight legend
the fax that i have more then both of them is crazy
I got 5/10 which I thought would be bad but as you both got the same I'm happy
The two goats of fm
I got 8 out of 10, not bad. But to be fair I manage United alot so I see these players stars from a good team's point of view often
Wish they used Erling Haa- as an example
Whats about monthly wages? I know, that in 'Murica you use yearly or weekly wage, but hey, we in Europe use monthly wages, what you gonna do about it (Atleast in Czech rep.)
think doing this with fake players would be really interesting as well
Ayyyyy go Scunthorpe!
Star ratings confuse me so much. Had a 20 year old cb who was 3.5 stars ability and 5 star potential, then went to 4 both for half a season and then back to 3.5 and 5
Form influences it heavily. If they're in bad form, it often goes down. If they're in good form, it goes up
Yeah I thought it would, but when he hit 4 for both I assumed it would be set, but then went back to 5 potential
@@Gwynbleidd1724 Yeah that happens to me, it fluctuates a lot. Just trust whatever rating you're given most often.
Has the current ability of your team been improving? Common problem with youth and star ratings is your team improving faster than they do...
7/10 for me
Stones
Fernandinho and I can’t remember the other
Finally the origin of the Taiwan Dollar
:P
I got all of them right except Fernandinho, pain
I'm on a county league save right now, so all of these guys are 5 stars, and I'm absolutely correct about that. Boom. I'm the best.
I’m going to trigger my British comrades, but putting wages in annual terms is the only viable option. Your transfer budget, scouting budget, club finances Player bonuses, tournament price pools, all that is annual anyway so having your wage be anything other than annual just makes it really hard to fully understand the situation. Here’s an example, you’ve got 25,000 in your transfer budget, and 4000 per week salary remaining. How much money do you actually have? Now there is a player who you want to buy who cost 60,000, how much money will you have remaining after you buy that player? If however instead of 4000 a week I said 100,000 a year, suddenly you can do that math in half a second.
11:23 uh oh, I convinced my board to buy Davies and they chucked £79M at him, is Davies actually underpowered in FM?
As someone from Scunthorpe, we’re all dodgy that’s why you got searched
They were oh so close to choosing the Vietnamese Dong... Just an incredible lost opportunity.
You get yearly budgets. The hard on for weekly wages is so weird.
Zealand, what headset do you use?
Arctis pros
Yearly and Monthly salaries make more sense than weekly tbh, not sure why you guys think this is weird. Aren't U.S salaries usually calculated in a yearly basis?
Nice jersey Zealand but why a losing team's jersey? Should have gotten you a nice Springbok one instead
Next year they should add Bitcoin to the currency types lol
So what did we learn about star ratings?
Would have definitely preferred the Vietnamese Dong👀😂😂😂😂
9 out of 10, missed Foden I thought he'd be a 2 and a half
Tie breaker on Luke Edwards haha imagine
did you change the title or am i having a stroke?
i think i smell toast fr
10 in 11 for me. I play too much football manager. happens to be a skill on my professional CV.
I got them all right (including big Phil) except for Fernandinho. He really should be 3*. The game is unplayable now
Next time you do something like this, make each person write down their answer and then explain their logic after. Cause its way too easy to get influenced by the other person’a rationale
I still ship the two of you.
Haven't watched the videos yet, but aren't the star ratings the subjective opinion off your staff?
Edit: meaning that they're probably as accurate as your staff can be at judging, right?
Edit edit: also aren't the star ratings related to the players at your club? So you'll always have more 3* than anything?
Exactly
Edit: Exactly
Edit edit: Exactly
Yes to all
I got 9/10, Fernandinho wrong. I was convinced that he was a 3, never saw 3,5 coming. I would say that I got 19 at Judging Player Ability. Oh I almost missed Phil Jones! That makes it 10/11. I knew Man Utd was so shit.
Guys I'm in the year 2035 on my chelsea save, question for you experts 😜 I was on a 44 game unbeaten run and the last 4 games I have drawn 2 and lost 2. The media is calling for my job saying that I'm under pressure, are there loads of glitches on this game and also how the hell are you able to build a new stadium. I got 1 billion in the bank and I have been asking for 14 seasons now but the board won't allow it saying unless I have a bigger following. I have won 59 major trophies lol. I'm so confused with fm sometimes. Love your videos guys. Big fan 👍🏼🤘🏻
Why is Zealand wearing a lion's shirt
If Maguire can play for United, ANYBODY can play for United.
If u have a team with 160 start and like 18 players in this 160,they all will be 3 star. And ppl who above this will be more stars. Its all calculated on avarage team lvl
Nice and simple
Yes, but actually no
I experimented with that, getting a team full of 200 ability and 200 potential players, and I changed all players on my youth and reserve team to 150 and 200 potential, I even went as far as using an external editor to apply this to a lot of different teams, nations, age groups, etc., Making every u-20 in the world have 149 CA and 200 potential
Anyway: The star rating on the youth and reserve team actually varied, ranging from 2* to 3*, the potential was always 5* tho, and on the first team EVERYONE had 5* on both. You are right to some extent, but it seems that when they reach a certain ability/when the team gets to a certain level, then certain levels of CA always show(more or less) the star rating
A 200 CA player will always have 5*, at least for on FM20 they do
@@adrian225 i got 1st 11 :martinelly, nketia, smt, party, odegor, saka, tirney, Gabriel white tomiyasu, ramsdale. They all ~160 CA, almost all full potential. Ramsdale 158,nketia tomiyasu too, they all shiw as 3 star CA and PA, pino and China pirlo newgen got 180 PA and show PA as 5 star, CA 2,5 pino, 1,5 China pirlo
Phil Jones is 1.5 stars all day.
I love me some Vietnamese Dong
Do it on Indonesian Rupiah per month. My month salary is 5 million.
Hi Zealand
It's asking me if I want to translate this
@@sVieira151 translate and see what it says
@@itsScrivo nothing changed 😂
I got them all right lol
Phil Jones the 🐐
Put some respect on Zinchenkos name
In real life, Ruben Dias is the best center back in the world.
Be nice to Phil Jones >:(
tbf, im actually impressed that the currency takes conversion into account.. I was just expecting it to be just a symbol. Fair play SI
if you play with others, it allows everybody to be in a currency they're comfortable with while still making sure everybody uses the same information.
LMAO
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Who are the people who disliked this I need ti no why 🤣
Taiwan number 1!
This Phil Jones intro did not age well...
Gets Crowd Going.
Plays for Man City.
There's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one...
They lost against south africa
Dear jack. Please pronounce surely, surely, not Shirley. Many thanks
Take of that ugly jersey and get urself a springbok jersey
Filthy attempt of getting YT views on FM22 as content dies down... and I love it 😂
This guy speaks SO MUCH the video was hard to watch